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Know -- it was about adoption. then it wasnt about adoption. well, okay, they said heres dirt on hillary clinton. well, then we actually did talk about it after. so this seems to be part of the pattern, where every time you keep pushing on this one meeting you get more disclosure. >> yeah, thats right. and its not the only case theyve done that. its been true about the relationship with stormy daniels where they had one story first and they came out with another one. i think it kind of goes to t...

Good evening from new york. im chris hayes. one day before president trumps former campaign manager is going to stand trial in federal court for money laundering and bank fraud in relation to his work for a pro-russian political party in ukraine and one day after the president went on possibly his most aggressive twitter rant yet about the mueller investigation, which he called the operation an illegal scam, trumps lawyer, rudy giuliani, was out today wildly, desperately spinning to try to accom...

Well, okay, they said heres dirt on hillary clinton. well, then we actually did talk about it after. so this seems to be part of the pattern, where every time you keep pushing on this one meeting you get more disclosure. >> yeah, thats right. and its not the only case theyve done that. its been true about the relationship with stormy daniels where they had one story first and they came out with another one. i think it kind of goes to this question -- two things. one is you talked about the impor...

Intent of colluding can lead to all sorts of things, conspireing to defraud the united states, false statements presumably if one of the witnesses said something that wasnt true. so theres a legal side about this, but theres also the political side. look at the explanations that the trump team has given about collusion since 2016 and contacts with russians. hope hicks initially said there was no contact whatsoever between anyone in the campaign and russians. then it was, oh, well, no one actuall...

Saying he doesnt know if collusion is a crime. >> thats moving the goalposts a little bit. what hes saying is if it were collusion trump would have had to pay for the hacking for russias hacking the american election and he said hacking is a crime and then he went on to say and disparage michael cohen. they are punching back. i know hes quoting shakespeare here and how it has dissolved. its up to bob mueller to figure out whos telling the truth here and what occurred and what did not occur and w...

Which i imagine mueller -- i imagine he disclosed it to rosenstein when he appointed him. it would involve something that actually wasnt settled even to this day. >> whats the conflict in. >> i have a good idea what it is. its one that would have kept me out the investigation. >> all cleared up? add to that this. giuliani is not sure that collusion with russia -- that collusion with russia, if it happened, is a crime anyway. is this the definition now of moving the goalposts? regardless of goalp...

Position. i would be curious if we had five more minutes with him to ask how he would define collusion, but at least that position appears to be unchanged where is this morning, it looked like the goalposts were shifting and also, on the second part of it, the second meeting, he said trump wasnt at the meeting and we are all sitting here thinking why are you saying that, we know he wasnt at the meeting, no one says he was and now we have learned of a second meeting that apparently has been alleg...

Appeal to this idea -- >> really? >> yes. that somehow they thought that by having something thats like former senator tidings represent them in our office they kind of bought into the idea that we were a bunch of kennedy democrats, which was not true. so they were hiring lawyers thinking they could appeal to us and somehow get a better in if they came in with these lawyers. you even saw jared kushner, hes retained the woman who was deputy attorney general under clinton. >> yeah. >> a democrat. ...

Out there, there is another witness that had a conversation with donald trump after that meeting between him and comey and trump admitted to that person. it could be hope hicks. it could be reince priebus. it could be a whole host of people. but the bottom line is rudy giuliani is anticipating that donald trump is going to be shown to be a liar very soon on that issue. >> and in fact, theres a pattern here. he keeps coming on the air and admitting things that the president denied. remember the k...

No question in my mind. i believe jim jordan 100%. hes an outstanding man. plenty to talk about. lets bring in our lead-off panel for a friday night. jonathan allen, nbc news national political reporter. ken thomas, white house reporter for the associated press. and barbara mcquaid, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan, now an msnbc legal analyst. thanks to all of you for being with us. barbara, let me start with you, on this news that rudy giuliani, the presidents lawyer, i...