our shoppers and shopping centers. if you look at shopping centers and jobs in stores it's been very, very tough for them. they have had a hard time closing at numbers and records that have never been seen before. so we have to stop that. the online predatory practices. since the beginning of the year, we have already created over 50,000 brand-new manufacturing jobs. and we're just getting started. we will lift our citizens from welfare to work. we will turn boarded up communities into new outposts of american commerce. and we will once again rediscover our heritage as a manufacturing nation. we used to be a manufacturing nation. not so much anymore but i will tell you, you look at michigan, you look at some states that have really moved, you know, in pennsylvania, two weeks ago they opened a mine -- the first mine that was opened in decades.
industry and much of that comes at the border. george washington encouraged americans to produce their own goods so that our young nation could become truly independent. president james garfield said of our nation's manufacturers that to them the country owes the splendor of the position it holds before the world. meaning, protect us. theodore roosevelt declared in his first message to congress that reciprocity, my favorite word, reciprocity, because we have countries that charge us 100% tax on a product and when that product is sold by them to us we brilliantly charge them nothing. people say that's free trade. no, that's stupid trade. that's really stupid trade. incredible.
that was the president trying to stay on message at the white house. that was a made in america/some mining jobs are back/shopping centers are in trouble/farms are losing their land event. by trump's standards on message but he started to tweet about his son's meeting with the russians guaranteeing that the perm acloud will hang over his presidency. most politicians would have gone to the meeting like the one don jr. attended in order to get info on the opponent. that's politics. here's sean spicer on the same topic. >> look, you know i'm not going to get into the specifics of this. but it's quite often given for people in the heat of the campaign to ask what that is. that's what he did. the president's made it clear through his tweet and there was nothing as far as we know that
would lead anyone to believe that there was anything except for a discussion about adoption of the magnitsky act. >> except, sean, for the e-mail from rob goldstone that i read on don jr.'s twet feed, in their meeting they offered to provide information that would incriminate hillary and her dealings with russia. this is very high level and sensitive information but it's part of russia and its government support for mr. trump. end quote. for you mr. president, that is not politics. in fact, it looks like an awful lot like collusion with a hostile foreign power. something you repeatedly denied. your news story that's just politics and that most politicians would have attended the meeting. well, we'll dissect everything wrong with your tweets. but first, to the reporters. we have hans nichol at the white
house, along with "new york times" julie herschel davis and a former chief of staff for the cia. hans, that was the president trying to be on message at a made in america event. but as the brilliant frank bringny said the teleprompter is his quiver and all the others are his tributaries. a great way to get into his mind. but what did you make of the day's communications starting with the tweet about the meeting that his son took and book ended by this address at the white house? >> well, the address to the white house he did take one detour from the made in america event and that is to talk about health care. and he seemed to be expressing renewed optimism almost as if there's an urgency to this, it could get done quicker than many are expecting. from what i heard from the president, the news that he thinks the vote can done. he thinks they have the votes. they have to do a little horse
trading. our colleagues on capitol hill aren't exactly reflecting that in their reporting. it seems to be a much more difficult swath. the president looked at mike pence, mike, it's up to you, you have to get this across the line. we learned what his favorite word is, reciprocity. >> good to know. >> nicolle, something you can agree with, he referred to the senator -- current senator from arizona, john mccain, as a crusty voice. you'd agree with that, do you think that's accurate? crusty voice? >> it's certainly better than the prior descriptions of john mccain so i'm sure that john mccain who has the thickest skin of anyone in politics will take it as a compliment. >> i suspect you're right on that. but he said he needed mccain's vote and he wished him well and said he needs to get back soon and suggested that he's going to be coming back much more quickly than others expected. i didn't know if that was inside
information that president trump has, that mccain's recovery is going at least as publicly reported. i think those are the two bits of news. the rest of the briefing earlier today was really focused on sean spicer reverting back to the earlier trump defense and the don jr. defense. >> why would he do that? i listened -- sean is one of the most tragic figures in american political history, but why would he trot out the adoption story today? >> it's mid july and you're asking me why questions about the trump administration? i can't answer why questions. what happened i can do and how they might plan to do something but the why is beyond my far power of words to describe. that's what -- that's what the kind of line was from sean today. and that the trump tweet speaks for itself, which is a circular response we get. any reasonable observer would look at that meeting he had with the russian lawyer and say it was about the magnitsky act which can't be true as you pointed out because the pretext for the meeting was on something other than the magnitsky act. it was sharing information that
could be helpful to donald trump's presidential aspirations. again, the why, i'm going -- i'm going to kick that over to jeremy bash. he used to be in the cia, maybe he has some intel. >> jeremy, take your cue from hans there and tell me why the white house spokesperson would use the podium to revert back to a nine day old -- i was on vacation but i kept track with the story of the day. and that it was a meeting about adoption was the story nine days ago. >> because here's the deal, nicolle. i believe the president's favorite word is reciprocity. because that meeting in june was about reciprocity. if russia and the government of russia came forward with incriminating information on hillary clinton then the reciprocity would be support for relieving the magnitsky act. in fact, they're very consistent and they tell exactly the story
of what happened that i believe at that meeting. >> what do you think happened at this meeting? >> well, i believe that the russian government dangled that lawyer, natalia veselnitskaya, into that meeting. she's too well connected to have done this as a freelancer. she was there accompanied by a former soviet officer, who has strong connections to the kremlin and to the russian government. they went in there to test the waters to see whether or not in offering support by the russian government the trump campaign would bite. of course don jr.'s response i love it. and the response in meeting we're interested in this. he didn't shoo them away and that's taken as a greenlight by the russian intelligence. if you're pitched by the russian intelligence, you don't alert the authorities, you're willing to play and it seems they were willing to play. >> the excuse is now not that
collusion is illegal. not that the russians were anyone other than just a friend offering helpful oppo. but that it didn't work out. that it was bungled collusion. but bungled collusion is still collusion, isn't it? >> well, yes. i mean, far be it for me to try to get inside of sean spicer's head but it seemed like what he was saying today was trying to somehow assert that the meeting didn't -- there was no discussion in that meeting of the reason for which it was billed and if the damaging information on hillary clinton. instead, they just talked about the magnitsky act. even if that were the case, the fact that donald trump jr. accepted the meeting as jeremy said it's sort of the nut of the problem here for them. even if it never did come up in the meeting and of course we don't know what happened and it's difficult to take their word on anything that happened during that meeting given the changing and evolving story line they have given us for whether it even happened.
if there's no promised dirt during that meeting at trump tower the fact the meeting was accept and that don jr. was willing to have that conversation and willing to not alert authorities and then it wasn't disclosed by him or by anyone in the campaign including jared kushner being one of those, makes this an issue that's not going to go away. >> so julie, i talked to west wing folks today and outside advisers to donald trump and the defender of this meeting could not be found. they thought it was a stupid meeting to take and they all thought that had read through the e-mail from goldstone would have seen it was a clear quid pro quo and i really have a hard time imagining how they're going to continue to deal with the president tweeting about a meeting that no one will privately defend, a spokesperson telling a different story than jay sekulow and the president.
it's like three people juggling knives and someone is going to get hurt pretty soon. >> well, that's true. i mean, the president's tweet this morning was inexplicable for that reason. the fact he brought the conversation back to the meeting can't be really defended and his own fbi candidate director last week said it was problematic and lawyers should have been consulted and the fbi should have been called in. it's clearly just a bad set of facts for them. don jr. himself in his interview about this last week actually admitted that. he said in retrospect i would have done it differently. there's no good way to explain it away. the best thing they can hope for which seems unlikely is that people will forget about it, not focus on it. i think bob mueller is very focused on it. and there are hopes that the public might forget about it is being crushed daily by the president himself who continues to tweet about it and to talk about it in that context. >> jeremy bash, what does
mueller make of the president's tweet this morning and the continued inability to come clean about a meeting that now the whole world knows about, thanks to don jr. tweeting out the e-mail chain himself. >> well, every week explanation looks like an effort to cover this up. if you're the special prosecutor charged with investigating this matter you're looking very carefully not just at this meeting but also about conversations that happened inside the trump campaign around this meeting. in the run-up to the meeting what were those three individuals representing the trump campaign discussing among themselves. when they walked out what did they discuss, are there e-mails about that? who else did they talk to? i think bob mueller wants to interview every single person who parent -- participated in the meeting an find out what the follow-up was. >> thank you for spending a little bit of time for us. jeremy is sticking around for the hour. real life campaign operatives on
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you know, maybe concrete evidence to all the stories i had been hearing about, but probably underreported for, you know, years, not just during the campaign. so i think i wanted to hear it out. >> he's actually right in thames of people are always whispering i've got opposition here. i've got information there. and sometimes people want to aggrandize their own position, they wish to be helpful. >> if it wasn't about russian opposition research, that goes on all the time. it's a big part of campaigning. >> up o -- opposition research, what it is and is not. with a couple of folks including myself who have dealt with the mosten seemly aspects of presidential politics. joining me is frank bruni, a fellow at harvard shoren stein center. joel beninton, a senior adviser to the clinton campaign and joining me by phone is msnbc
contributor, steve schmidt and jeremy bash is still with us. steve, let me get you to weigh in on two things since you're on the phone. first, the president's tweet this morning saying that anyone with a -- would have taken the meeting that don jr. took. >> well, you and i wouldn't. neither would have joel bennett or any other loyal american with a sense of rectitude. this was an attempt at conspiracy, a part of a hostile foreign power. the most senior level of a political campaign. this has nothing to do with opposition research. this was an intrusion by the russian government, by its intelligence services to the highest levels of the republican nominee, and i think one of the things that would be interesting that we don't have a good answer for is why is it that the only sweat equity at the republican platform, that the trump campaign put forward was on the
issue of arm sales to the ukrainian government which the russians wither on the opposite side of? there are so many unanswered questions, but chiefly the notion that anybody would do this is just -- could not be more wrong. most everybody on the campaign, democrat and republican, in fact, would not do it. they would go to the fbi. >> joel, does this strike you -- i mean, i think we had this conversation during the campaign on television together. the asymmetry of the way donald trump ran against you and secretary clinton was almost in hindsight unbeatable. i mean, there was no moral compass. there was no adherence to norms. there was no -- i mean, i'll let jeremy weigh in on saying i love it to a foreign adversity is illegal. jeremy, quickly, is that illegal to say i love it to a foreign adversary promising dirt on hillary clinton? >> depends on the context.
go back to joel and i'll give you a more complete idea on this. >> in hindsight, how could you have adjusted to his -- to have defeated someone like this? >> i think you have to go back to the premise and recognize he was an unconventional candidate from the beginning. he went further than a lot of people thought even in the republican primary, took a long time for that to sink in. and then you have to still try to run your campaign. you can't get caught up -- >> but the question -- but the question gets confused, to you, to jen palmieri, how did you lose to this guy? i think that when we see the sort of lengths that i went to, how could you beat someone who was willing to accept help from a foreign adversary? >> look, if 40,000 voted differently we would have beat him fair and square. >> do you think that's -- >> a lot has unfolded and we thought that russian was meddling in the summer of last year. we thought all the evidence pointed to it. hillary clinton brought it up in the e -- debate.
whether it got enough attention remains to be seen. it's tarnishing his presidency. it is tarnishing his approval ratings. you have 23% of republican, 19% who say he acted unethically and another 4% who say it legally those are not good numbers. if i was a republican congress i'd start paying attention to how bad his numbers are really below the surface with republicans. >> to piggyback on who you're saying it's -- well, at the time it wasn't the trump administration, but what donald jr. did and what the trump campaign did, there's the this ecosystem of fake news which includes all of this russian meddling. there was a new report that came out called the fake news machine. whether things were true or false we have to remember that the russians were constantly inserting anti-clinton messaging into the election. now there are the new reports that south carolina's voting
machines had over 100,000 attempted hacks. there's the question of what happened in terms of the trump administration actually accepting, you know, possible information and collusion. there's the fake news ecosystem which we know about. i wouldn't rule out that there was some vote tampering. we don't know for sure. but we need to keep following that too. >> frank, what is the gut check? to me it's that we have -- i always wake up in middle of the night, we have been asking the wrong question. i think on this question of you know how -- why couldn't hillary beat this guy? how could you win against someone -- this is what we know about because don jr. apparently got backed into the corner by a reporter from your paper. but how do you -- and this to me is the asymmetry of our last conversation was about a news organization, cnn firing investigative journalists. what do you do about the unethical nature of this president? >> you're talking about the past.
i think at this point what you do is what you see the media doing. what we're doing at this table. you demand and search answers. the story is not going away because when you peel everything back, the central question is did we actually have a fair election that was fairly fought in which we got a result that truly reflect what is a majority thinks should happen for the country. that's an enormous question. i don't recall that question existing in this form in any election in any lifetime. quite to this extent. and because that's such a big question and because everything you get from trump world is quarter truths or outright lies, emissions, evasions, every day a new piece of information comes out we can't trust what we have heard to date. we'll be back here in a year and having a similar conversation. >> jeremy bash, i want to have you weigh in on the legal side of this. what does bob mueller do with
the team that struggled so openly and really in a scary way with the truth? >> well, bob mueller i think is going to focus on a couple of important federal criminal statutes and he's going to look at the facts and apply them to the statutes. first is whether or not they crossed any legal line with respect to federal election act which prohibits possessing of value from a foreign national let alone a foreign government. in all the individuals -- >> let me stop you right there because i want to bring in steve schmidt. i don't know if you watched jay sekulow make the rounds yesterday, but he was asked about whether this was something of value. the russians promising to help hillary clinton was -- or to help hurt hillary clinton to advantage donald trump was that a violation? he had a technical answer. steve, i wonder if you think that a campaign violation may have been committed by this
meeting with don jr.? >> well, it's certainly possible. one thing i know for sure, nicolle, is that the arbiter of what's legal or not legal in this matter is not jay sekulow. ultimately the justice department will make a determination if there's enough evidence there for there to be a criminal indictment. and so the one thing we know for sure is that at every instance as this story has unfolded, and really six hour one of the administration we have never seen an administration be more untruthful. lie after lie after lie compounding on each other. this story evolving and changing really almost on a quarter hour basis. so is it possible that when they were scheming with what they thought were russian government officials that a legal line was crossed? it's highly possible. the special counsel will make the determination on that.
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>> should we watch it again? >> one more time. >> one more time. please. there we go. >> well, i wondered why the secret service if this was nefarious, why did the secret service allow these people in? the president had secret service protection at that point. that raised a question with me. >> well, i wonder why it's raining sundays and sunny on other days. i mean, a lot of -- >> jay sekulow, the rest of his story was that the president wasn't there. he was in wisconsin. what does the secret service -- >> they have nothing -- >> these are things made up on the fly. they have nothing to with anything. it's like running out the clock and throwing the ball over there. >> but the secret service is sort of -- i guess i was going to see like the pope. but they attacked them too. but the secret service lashes back. i mean, they protect you. >> they're not even vetting these -- they're not like saying if i say this, what's going to happen five minutes later? remember the old episodes of
"get smart." would you believe this, that's what this damage control from the trump administration is. >> there's at layer to it that the blurred lines between the trump administration and the trump family and their political and financial interests are part of the big picture. because don jr. was not under secret service protection, but was he acting on behalf of the campaign? i would say so. >> but they're paying all his legal bills. >> but the fact there's a mushy set of influences where it's like, well, i'm not part of the administration, but i am in the white house doing this. i mean, the whole trump family is sort of pinch-hitting and that makes it very complicated to even track. >> and a white house official today told me there are some good things about having a family that's never been involved in politics before and some very bad things, put that in that category. and jay sekulow said this
bringing in of the secret service made me wonder about this. >> do you know for sure everyone who was at this meeting with donald trump jr.? >> no, i don't represent donald trump jr. and i do not know everyone for sure that was at that meeting. and the president was not at the meeting. i can tell you who was not there, the president was not aware of the meeting and he did not attend it. >> he was not at the meeting, therefore the secret service wasn't there. what do you think happened at the meeting? >> i doubt the president was there. >> why? >> i think it would have leaked out by somebody. because everything else is leaking out of that white house. i think that this is anything that would rise to the candidate in any campaign, that you said it's -- there's asymmetry there. i can't imagine anybody putting a candidate in the room even if you're a novice. >> probably tweeting -- >> elevated -- >> this is crisis mismanagement by the day. every day they dig a hole deeper. what sekulow said about the
secret service it creates another problem. we're talking about this every single day because they can't get out of their own way. >> and i would just add though, it's important to understand that a lot of trump voters are really frustrated by conversations like the ones we're having and we need to be having this conversation because it all does blur together. i would say that's actually not just sort of mismanagement, but possibly a tactic. if you can't understand anything, you can't believe anything. that's classic soviet disinformation tactic. i'm not saying they're not digging themselves a hole but i think also when you throw a lot of confetti in the air, people look around. for voters this can seem like confetti. >> it can, but if you look at trump's approval ratings with the independents it's disastrous. to give you a compare on the george w. bush who also won by losing the popular vote at this point in his presidency, he was about 20 points above water on his approval rating.
donald trump is 20 points under. with independents, he has a majority of independents who disapprove of him. you can't get things done in washington and get any of this stuff they're talking about on track if you can't demonstrate you're winning a sizable chunk of the middle. they have been losing the middle and squandering it day after day. >> maybe it's creating a lot of confusion and distraction but they're not getting any legislation moved forward. at some point, voters are going to say, what happened during this trump presidency, has anything changed to give me hope for the future? is my life better in any way? >> and his voters will give him time. that's what confounds the media. but they're not going to give him a free pass on that agenda. all right, frank, are you leaving me? no. you're staying here. frank, steve and jeremy are all staying here. it says you're leaving. the president is hitting a new record level for the president. while the downward trend is necessarily new but it should concern him when it comes to his core base.
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that's the power of and. and a new poll showing president trump hitting historic low job approval ratings, not climbing above 40%. gallup put his approval rating at 39%. beneath the six month benchmark of recent presidents including president clinton's tumult jous start. and even before the e-mails one in five republicans were saying that donald trump had done anything illegal or up ethical as joel pointed out. joining us is a former senior adviser to marco rubio and nbc news national political correspondent, steve kornacki. i know we talked all the time
and we talked about it on your appearances here about the durability of his pace. but the softest part of the kohl russian looking for results and may -- coalition are looking for results and they may see the endlessly bad news cycle. >> they may and i'm not sure we can articulate fully what it is his base wants. we can ask is it this issue or that issue, but watching the poll numbers tell me i don't know we can answer that. today is july 17, 2017. go back to july 17, 2016 we had a brand-new poll. he had historically low numbers. no candidate has been less popular on this day a year ago, his favorable rating was 27%. so you can't win with that. the republican party as a whole was running 22 points behind the democratic party on the image.
on the question of donald trump's views mainstream? 60% said no. his approval ratings that's roughly the same range his support fell in last year. we looked at it, republicans said, you know what, not only is it a bad campaign but a losing campaign. he'll lose a big chunk of republicans. he got 90% of republicans and he won the election. i don't know that anything has changed. >> alex, do you think -- let's bring alex into the conversation. do you think that republicans in congress are as immune to historically low poll numbers as donald trump is? >> they're not. especially when you get closer to the midterms. congressional republicans support president trump as long as he's going to sign their legislation into law. the problem is they're not passing much legislation. and if they fail to pass health care reform, if they fail to pass corporate tax reform, comprehensive tax reform, then they start asking themselves what's the point of tank all of
this flak for supporting a president if we can't get legislation to him to sign? >> what are you hearing from republicans on the hill about whether or not he's undermined or done enough or done too much or needs to do more when it comes to health care, calling the house bill mean, saying the republican bill needed more heart. what's the state of mind -- >> if health care reform fails it's president trump's fault. big things happen when you have presidential leadership and we haven't seen much from this president. he has yet to give a press conference about it. his tweets are all over the map. they're celebrating things like made in america week when they should be talking about health care reform. this is the most unpopular piece of legislation we have seen in a generation and they're doing nothing to do sell it. >> would your analysis be because that he doesn't need to. the base is with him -- >> well, my analysis on that would be that -- think of the psychology of the average
republican member of congress, think of how they reacted to everything i is a sid a about the campaign last year. they thought he was a loser. a lot of them didn't endorse them. a lot of republicans said i'll check his name off because he's the republican but i'm not campaigning for him. paul ryan cut him loose three weeks before election day. he put all the republican members of congress on a call and said you know what, if you off to disown this guy, disown him. they thought he was a dead candidate walking because everything he was saying was inflammatory. he wasn't talking about the issues. he wasn't putting coherent proposals out there. he had all of this personal scandals the "access hollywood" thing. they thought he was a loser to drag them down. not only did he win, that was critical in and of itself, here's a key if you're a republican member of the congress. he won 90% of republican voters. the polls all last year not only was he going to lose, but he was shedding republican support. he wasn't a true conservative. i think that -- >> well, joe scarborough has an op-ed out there.
he's getting 90% of a shrinking party -- >> we called it a shrinking party last year. >> there's fewer registered republicans -- >> the reason we're here in the middle of july with revelations coming last week, you couldn't imagine revelations -- >> but he's -- he's driving people out of the republican party. >> the message that the average member of congress took, and like democratic members of congress they worry more about primaries in this age that we live in than general elections. he understands the base of the party better than i do. he has a stronger bond and you know what? i don't know i understand what that bond is. that's a scary thing for politicians. >> the economic anxiety. >> but when you look at a bunch of longitudinal studies it's like a culture war like brexit. than any specific policy. you can't win a culture win with
facts. you have to go in and say what is it that really makes people affiliate themselves with this idea of making america great again and then you can start drilling down. but first of all, rational arguments are not really the motivation for a lot of people. and what i would say is that donald trump in counties that he won is still pulling about a 50% approval rating, which is about 15% higher than the national average. so people have not abandoned him in the places where he's run. and they may eventually, but really the math is for congressional republicans, they have to figure out how to try anger late between the sen trisz in their base and then donald trump has shown that he's willing to pill other republicans who don't hugh to him and right now he's still too dangerous to divide. >> thanks for breaking it down. up next, on top of the low approval rating and the russia investigation dominating the news cycle, the president is still hoping to get a bill passed to repeal and replace obamacare.
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discussions. >> pgs press secretary sean spicer says president trump. but the white house may alsoing going by any means necessary. the white house has reached out to respective primary senators for arizona senator jeff flake. erica, what is going on behind closed doors on capitol hill? i mean, jeff flake is as conservative as sort of as an old-fashioned conservative can get? >> well, as you know, jeff flake was probably the most outspoken senator during the campaign against president trump, and the white house seems to want to settle scores. but i don't know why they would pick now to do it when they need senator flake's vote on health care and there's not a single vote to spare. as you know, the vote this week that was planned has been put
off due to senator mccain's absence following surgery. i don't think anyone knows whether that really twhartd senator mcconnell's plans. however, every day that bill is not dead, it's alive, and that's where it is right now. and that's good news for senator mcconnell and the president. >> erica, do senate republicans look more wear ill at the white house or senate democrats? i guess dean heller was attacked by the trump super pack for, as you said, not falling into line on health care. jeff flake is now going to get primaried by a reported trump ally. i mean, are senate republicans walking around more sort of skeptical and anxious about what the white house is going to do or are they watching their flank from the democrats? >> well, i think as some of your earlier guests srp talking about, any republican in the current political environment is probably more worried about a
primary from their right than about their general election. that said, as you know, there really are only two senate republicans in this midterm cycle who have anything to worry about in either regard, and those are senator heller and senator flake, both of whom are he merging as key votes onel health care. senator heller in particular we're all dying to know what he thinks. he has yet to he merge today. we're all going to be looking for him later today when the senators return for votes. but i don't know that the white house gets very far by poking these senators when they need them this legislation. >> steve smith, way in on the practice of poking members of your own party on twitter and in the press as opposed to picking up the phone and trying to woou them. >> typically it doesn't work. look, politics is a
transactional business and the trump administration is ultimately going to need their votes on tangs reform and other initiatives. and ultimately the last thing in the world the trump administration wants is to see a democratic house or a democratic senate with subpoena power. so you talk about a self-defeating strategy, unbelievable. >> jeremy bash, weigh in on the pearls for the republicans on the intel kmelz of getting too mired in the politics of the trump white house. >> yeah. they have to strike this very independent r cord, here s nichole. they have to show that they are willing to pursue this investigation and the facts wherever it leads. so there is some peril if they line up too closely on the russia investigation or other matters. >> alex, does marco rubio like mr. trump. >> personally, they get along fine. they obviously have some big policy disagreements. >> on what? on -- i mean, the whole presidential primary dpan, you know, they were arguing over
healthcare reform. >> i remember, but sometimes -- >> immigration reform is a classic example. free trade is a clask example. human rights where marco -- >> but what fight has he picked with him since he's been president. >> human rights. he's fought the white house and criticized them when they had, for instance, warmer relations with ejust a minute. marco is a strong supporter of free trade and has been critical of this administration when they have been trying to withdraw from the world. >> joe scarborough left are the republican party. we were talking about polling, a shrinking number of people identifying themselves as republican. what do you think at this moment the state of the republican party is? >> i think it's if a bit of disarray and i think it's in danger. joe scarborough left for a reason. we're talking about this for a reason. right now donald trump is behaving in ways that many voters disapprove of. he's behaving in ways that violate republican ort doeks all
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before from this president or any president since richard nixon. trump tweeting quote attorney general jeff session should stop this witch hunt right now bist continues to stain our country any further, this is now official white house language for describing a law enforcement investigation. signed on by the president's own justice department and the own fbi director is not a witch hunt. here's the spokesperson for the most powerful planet this an. >> it's ridiculous the corruption and dishonesty that's gone on with the launching of the witch hunt. the entire investigation is based off a dirty, discredited dossier. >> all right, that last statement from sanders is a like of course. the investigation was launched before the dossier was drafted. it has continued gathering evidence since, including during the trump presidency. special counsel mueller is investigating whether or not the
team has special obstruction of justice at play. the president's lawyer rudy guiliani quickly stepped in to insist the presidential tweet calling for his attorney general to stop a law enforcement investigation was not obstruction because the president said should not that he must stop the investigation. guiliani claiming that the president was merely expressing his penalties. she should do it. this afternoon, sanders echoed that. i do mean echo. >> it's not an order, it is a penalties. the president is stating his penalties. there is no reason he shouldn't be able vice his penalties. the president stated his penalties. i think i stated this ten times now. it's the president's penalties. >> penalties or official orderer, susan collins glanced to when a bloom borg news reporter read her the tweet. jeez. this is unbelievable. those comments are totally
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us a proposal. we responded to their proposal. they took about ten days and yesterday we got a letter back from them. now we're in the process of responding to their proposal. >> how much of this is ka bookie? do you think there is anyway the legal team for the president will let mueller interview him? >> it will be hard to respond to what he said that jeff session should do? but what is interesting, we are learning more about this letter. what this letter essentially one person described it on the trump team is saying is baby stems. however, it's significant in that it's clear based on this letter, on this information we now have, that mueller still wants trump to do a sit down. that is not going. they are willing to do some written questions according to this source we spoke to. but significant in all of this is that mueller still wants trump to do a sit down. you know, jark it could perhaps explain some of the president's
response and all his tweets. certainly significant in many ways that they are still in negotiation and mueller wants this interview. >> all right, thanks so much. i want to play another interesting bit of sound from the briefing. take a listen, it's major garrett from cbs asking a question. >> if it's corrupt, why doesn't the president act or use the power? smr once again the president is allowed -- >> why doesn't he follow through on this? >> once again the president allowed this process to play out. he thinks it's the time to come to an end. >> it's a thing if he wanted it to end, he could order rod rosenstein to enit. he would pull an elliot richardson and resign before that. >> as kaylin said, it's odd. either he doesn't know the process or knows the process and this is a political step. ultimately, he has the power to do it. look, their talking point continues to be for months to month, it should end.
there is no evidence. any legal expert will tell you because it ended doesn't mean they have anything. this will play out. it's unlikely, it seems that mueller will come out and conclude right near the election. we are getting close. can you guess that might be into next 84. so it doesn't seem like it will end any time soon. >> i think it's important when you say there is something there or not. i think mueller, with respect to the president or the president's son are looking at perhaps ob suction or some tuned of a perjury type thing in the fbi. they're certainly not looking at conclusion. with the manafort trial you have one guy with all the wes e connections. look at all the charges. >> you don't have any idea what they're looking at or don't. >> i know he's on trial. >> we know they're looking at everything from collusion to obstruction. to say they're not -- >> the charges they brought against paul manafort, who is --
>> against people they have indicted. >> it has nothing to do with collusion. right? he's the guy with the russian connections. >> there is papadopoulos. >> carter paige, michael flint. look. cohen who is currently under a total separate investigation could pop up in the mueller vechlgs i think it's important for us to remember that we only know but a fraction, but a bit of what robert mueller knows. in keeping with that point, we are speculating on the teeny tidbits or the tip of the ice be thaerg we actually have. so we don't know. so we should not pontificate few will like the president should about went will end, we have no idea. >> to follow up, there have been critics that said mueller's probe could expand. we saw yesterday, he seems to be trying to combat that and push bag on that he referred those cases to the southern district of new york. he seems to keep his scope to a limited amount and expand to
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prosecutors described manafort as a greedy businessman that hid millions in income. now we learned rick gates who spent a decade working side-by-side may not testify after all. cnn's jessica snyder picks up the story. >> reporter: paul manafort may be the one on trial, but his long time associate rick gates is captivating the courtroom. described by the defense as a lead witness, the lead prosecutor cast doubt on his upcoming court appearance telling the judges, he may testify in this case. he may not the comment came in the questioning of an fbi agent that found a memo gates' agenda during a raid of manafort's condo last july the judge said to the prosecutor, if you are going to call mr. gates, this is a waste of time. rick gates may be the special counsel's most notable witness on its list of 35. but it's the defense that promised the injury he will be a
central player in the trial. during opening statement, they deflected blame to rick gates saying he embezzled millions from manafort and turned on him after he came under pressure on mueller's team. they say it was gates who had his hand in the cookie jar. gates pleaded to two charges the in d.c. and is now cooperating with the special counsel, already they have called democratic consultants that worked with manafort during his lobbying work in ukraine and fbi agent matthew mancusa, he searched the condo. and says they knocked three times, disputeing some news reports it was a no knock raid. he says agents announced the fbi was there to execute a search warrant when agents walked in, manafort was standing nearby, he testified. the agent alleged told the jury manafort's name was on self documents showing loan and wire
transfer invoices. one document was a loan agreement with a california bank who is listed as one of the victims of manafort's alleged fraud. judge ellis blocked them from showing certain photos illustrating his extravagant spending, rebuking, saying mr. manafort is not on trial for having a lavish lifestyle. they did hear from an employee at a high end store, saying manafort was one of the store's top five buyers and manafort was the only client who paid with wire transfers. and it's been a flurry of witnesses this afternoon the jury has heard from a mercedes benz employee and real estate agent and contractor talking about hits penchant for luxury items. all of them have talked about the fact manafort paid via a wire transfer from those off shore accounts. >> thank you so much. let's talk to our experts, glen,
prosecutors today said gates might not steph. what does that say to you? and do you think they can get a conviction without him? >> jake, it says to me if they don't call gates that means they have more than enough evidence, well beyond a reasonable doubt absent gates' the i prosecuted thoroughly 30 years, recently retiempld i tell you if i were going to patriot cooperating witness on the stand, can you bet i would stand up in option and tell the jury what a cooperating witness is all about. how they enter into plea agreement that may reduce their charges, which may seem they have an incentive to tell the lie. but they have a incentive to tell the truth. if they fail to testify truthfully, we rip up the plea agreement and revise her to charges and their maximum exposure to prince time goes up. as prosecutors we need to lay all of that out for the jury if we intend to put a cooperating witness on the stand.
i talk to people inside the courtroom during the opening statements and the prosecutors didn't go there. they referred to gates, but they neff explained much about his plea agreement what a cooperating witness s. i think that's a signal they may not call him in this trial. >> interesting. what does this play to you? >> i love playing this on tv. it looks on an shuchlt number one, let's step back. the feds don't lose that many cases. secondly in this case, are you not talking about the feds. you are talking about robert mueller, the fbi director, witnessing injustice at the department of justice and the fbi. lastly i would say this is not about he said, she said. you are looking at e-mails and phone records. i don't know why manafort didn't play, maybe as we were discussing in the green room before, maybe it's because mueller didn't offer him a plea. if he walks away unconvicted. i will eat a hat the day on your
show the day after he walks. he's not going to walk. >> glen, i'm thinking about you eating a hat. we'll make it a make america great hat. >> that will be the poetic justice of it. prosecutors are pangt manafort as greedy, he had ill gone gains. one of the things is you show the lavish lifestyle the skrunl today blocked prosecutors from showing the jury the luxury photos, looking i understand theest, at some point it's not relevant. what do you make of that? >> you are absolutely right. we do like to show how manafort got the ill gotten gains. do you need to show the mansion homes and putting greens and the ostrich jacket? i think judge ellis is doing a couple things here. he is gaining the evidence as it comes in. he sees it mounting, his job is not only to give paul manafort a fair trial but to protect the
record on appeal in the event paul manafort is convicted. the way a judge does that is he begins to reign in the prosecutors when he senses the lavish lifestyle is a little overkill and ratchet it back to something more relevant. >> this is dead on. the prosecutors are walking in saying let me give this 21 a shot. i want to persuade the jury, this is a rich guy and you wasted a lot of money the judge says, i don't begrudge what the prosecutors did the judge says appropriately, i live in this neighborhood. there's a lot of rich people over there. the judge says being rich is not a crime. i want to see the evidence whether he inappropriately transferred money. i think he shut it down. what's the point about provingb is rich? there is a lot of rich people. >> another interesting thing judge ellis did was tell them not to use the word oligarchs
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hits day two, judge ts el hills. not ts elliot has proven to be an exciting opponent challenge at every turn. one said judge ellis has quote torn my head off in front of my wife multiple times unquote. day two in the courtroom ellis is known for -- did you see any of that today? >> reporter: absolutely, jake. we heard a lot from ts elliot a few weeks ago when he became president trump's favorite judge when he took down the special counsel saying he knew this trial against paul manafort wasn't about bafg fraud, it was about -- bank fraud, it was about brigg down donald trump he began in court today about brigg up the use of the word ol gashings -- oligarchs, it
suggests he is associates with despicable people. some of the people he was getting paid the $60 million the government said he was hiding in these off shore bank accounts, the judge took issue with the government using photos of some of the lavish things that paul manafort was spending money on. you mentioned the osstrich coat yesterday and the mercedes that one of the people were testifying in the last hour. jake, he was also scolding the prosecutor saying remember that paul manafort's wealth is not what's on trial here today. jake. >> all right, evan perez, thanks so much. in addition to defending president trump's call for attorney general jeff sessions to stop the law enforcement, white house secretary sarah sanders tried to explain why mr. trump had any problems with reporters heckling and berating reporters. this came after the latest incident a cnn reporter shouted
down at the president's rally last night in tampa, florida. they suggested that the white house has no issue with that mob scene last night. >> we certainly support freedom of the press. we also support freedom of the speech. we think those things go hand this hand. >> president trump makes it can clear that behavior is great. his son saying it was great. he retweeted it and the erosion of standards of civility continues. it's not just republicans. we are being led down the drain by president trump. imagine liberals shouting down a reporter they didn't like and a democratic president giving that mop and at-a-boy, would that be acceptable? let's talk about wit our experts. simone, what do you think? >> i think we are going into a
difference between freedom of speech and someone heckling and threatening and putting someone's life in danger. i think i saw something on twitter last night about a protest at ole miss years ago during the civil rights move ls reporters were reporting on the issue. folks were standing outside, the mop were heckling the reporters. it ended in a brawl where a reporter lost his life. so these are dangerous times for lots of people. unfortunately, the media included. i wish the president would take the reigns and dial back this behavior. >> this behavior happens in awe authoritarian societies, where leaders and supporters are pushing down people and the media protests. this is something that people watch in the united states and they say what is this mr. president, what are their spokes people doing? they are repressing free speech the rights of the media. it's not only dangerous.
it's sending a terrible message to the world. i know when i was a state department spokesperson, i had people in that briefing room who were from the government of china the government of russia, who would yell at me and ache absurd clarnlgs fox impugned my reputation self times. we still took questions from them. you still served the government the american people. that's part of your job. >> they went after you last week, you were trying to ask some questions at a pool spray. there was whole thing where they banned from you an event. >> i think there were separate situation. they didn't like the questions i asked the president they didn't think it was appropriate to ask him in front of another world leader in the oval office. that when they are restricting you from asking questions of that of the president. i do think that those supporters last night at that rally in tampa they can chant whatever
they want like that. i they lot of people at that rally aren't like that and go don't go and chant like that. >> most of them are not like that. >> a lot of them are decent people. they watch the news at night and all of those things. i do think that is a minority doing. that also the reason this is news worthy and the white house is having to answer for it is the president retweeted a video of it happening that his son tweeted out. i think that asks the question, is the president endorsing behavior like this? in the alley, he gets everyone to turn around, boo at them, hiss at them. whatever they do. he does play a role in it. >> that itself why the white house is playing about it there is free speech. >> there are people on the left who also get excited. not about the same exact things, obviously. >> we should point out a few weeks ago, shannon bream from fox, she felt i wasn't there i
wa didn't witness it. she felt it wasn't safe to stay there. she wenten doors, that was obviously progressives, liberals heckling her. the problem is, that it doesn't end. like it keeps descending. it gets worse and worse and worse. that's why you need a president or a white house ha that says, we don't support that. you need reporters to do their jobs. >> no secret. i'm not ban this. i spent my career working with the press. as many times as i've taken calls that folks don't like the questions. i think it's important. all that being said, i think we talk too much about i. i think the common decency piece has less to do with the press and more to do with everything. i had my former boss senator mcconnell i don't think he's had lunch three weeks without being heckled with a crowd of anti-i.c.e. protesters who are trying to disrupt his lunch and everybody there and bully people and get people basically intimidated.
>> yeah. >> like that is, there is no place in a society that is built on the rule of law, on respect of others. does the president have a role in that? absolutely. so does everybody else. >> i'd like to point out when i say there is a difference of freedom of speech and folks heckling them and threatening their lives, not to say they don't have freedom of speech. people are able to say what they want. folks yell the n word or lbtq plus people we would not be defending that, no one is. josh said the rules have changed with president trump. president trump has not done things the way they have always been done. if the rules have, in fact, change, which i do believe they vietnam i think we have to get creative with the times. again leak i noted on this i want to go to shake shack with my burger without being heckled. dam it, kids are in cages at the border and all over and being ripped away from their families
in this country there are many people that feel as though republicans in congress haven't done anything about it. if mr. mcconnell can't eat in piece. maybe that's the name of the game. >> i feel like what you are doing is making the situation worse. nobody is suggesting you shouldn't be passionate about issues. nobody is suggesting there are not venues to express your penalties. what i'm suggesting and i think what i think most people would agree with, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to acost public officials in a public blaise their family and make things uncomfortable for everybody that they fear for their own safety. i think we should all agree on that at a bare minimum. >> it's clear that senior mcconnell was not being accosted in public by your description. >> is it? >> did you see when he and his wife were coming out of the building and there was a time limit. >> there's been four different events. >> i think people being uncomfortable we should be comfortable with that. there is a difference between that and president trump
inciting violence. >> we are deadly concerned about a press bullpen that is protected by secret service about the health and well-being of the press. i am, actual 4ri. as a panel, we've decided that is significant. what's insignificant is a public official haves lunch being accosted. maybe it's becaus he's a republican. >> just for the record, we covered this when it happened four weeks ago. >> you did? >> i'm not saying there is a dinse or a distinction. people should be able to live their lives. i think one of the questions is, president trump's role in this. right? people are going to be unruly, left, right, center, especially left and right. what is the roam of a president in that unruliness in is he responsible to stop it or to tamp things down in is there that's the core question. when you say we talk about it too much. we should disagree with it. >> civility in general we should talk about more. >> of course, president obama was akovrsccosted often.
when are you a public official, that's what happens. i'm not saying we should condone it. but it is something that happens the president of the united states should be the person calling for calm, greeting the protesters in a different way. >> i agree with everything you said, except as a panel, we have just conclude, it's okay people acost public officials. that itself price of being an elected official. which is it? >> i don't think there is a difference between heckling -- i think there is a difference between the president and his supporters inciting violence for doing their job and reporting the news and i think there is a difference in that and people who are organizing and protesting and using, you know, the tool at their disposal, whether it's organizing outside a member of a member of congress' office or outside a restaurant to raise their voices on issues that matter. we cannot equate what a lot of the trump supporters are doing
and the president is doing to folks on the left concerned about their well be zbhg it is ridiculous. >> it is notary dig lurks it is life or death in this country. >> just because of what you feel does not make it different. >> it's not what they feel. are you operateing from a position of privilege, you do not leave your house in fear. there are people that leave their homes every day and wonder if they will be snatch taufd streets and rounded up and deported. >> your concern with the ideology, that's what it is. >> people every day get in the car and drive for their they will be pulled over and shot and killed by a police officer because the altercation might go wrong, it has to do with everything. people are organizing an rising up because this is what they feel. >> i want to give josh the last word. >> my whole point is civility doesn't have a partisanship to it. it's a republican problem a democrat problem. we all should speak it to. it disa disservice to all of this when we make it a partisan
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cnn. >> reporter: tsa is considering allowing thousands of passengers to board commercial airplanes across the united nations without being screened, according toernal dumentsoc screened by cnn the documents outline an elimination of security 15 toing at small and some medium size airports that operate commercial planes with 60 seats or fewer. tsa's recent cost analysis estimates the move can save $115 million that can be used to bolster security at large airports. >> i think is stunning this is considered. >> reporter: the proposal does not list which airports could be impacted but says screening would be eliminated at more than 150. sa currently screens passengers at 440 airports. according to proposal, passengers and luggage arriving from these smaller airports will be screened when we arrive at
major ones. their operating theory is small aircraft would not be as attractive no terrorists because the potential for loss of life would be less than what terrorists could achieve with larger planes. national security experts disagree. >> isis attacks in anyway, big or small against anybody you can go after and so the opportunity to go after a 50-person passenger jet or aircraft will be very attractive to the group this terms of its messaging. >> reporter: in an e-mail to cnn, tsa said, quote, this is not an issue the regulations which establish tsa does not require screening below a certain level. so every year is quote the year that tta will reconsider screening. cnn asked tsa to point to us that regulation, the agency has not responded. 20 tsa employees recently met to evaluate the cost saving proposal that could mean less
hassle for travelers. the group determined the plan could increase security vulnerabilities at airports, but overall the risk is low. >> i guess the big question, renee, why now in. >> that is the big question. to be honest, it's really unclear. we do know in look at the documents there is a cost savings component to all of this, as far as what other factors may be coming into play, we've asked tsa and have not received a response. >> all right. a controversial proposal tsa is contemplating. apple within strike distance to become the first american company worth $1 trillion. wondering how? take a look in your pocket. a report showed people are still shelling out for this most expensive iphone models like the iphone 10. even though the next new phone could to be a month away. coming up, among the maga hats
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>> broadly speaking these are people that deeply distrust the government and main stream media and treat any faction that donald trump is wrongant anything as a proof of a deep blot against him. photos of missiles and mysterious 1r57kers. rants about a shadow government. free mason, secret symbols and prediction of a world about to changeful all of this is a part of the conspiracy stew cookled up by qanon, an internet conspiracy persona. some followers showed up at the president's recent rally. many see him as a hero, like them, ready to embrace wild theories to start plots about him and attack anyone that says otherwise. >> fake news, they are fake. >> reporter: they gained traction fast among followers, like one that says the parkland school shooting victims were really actors. in this case news noted earlier
this week a spate of youtube videos falsely accusing top celebrities of ped feophiliaped. >> the higher you go, the more sick it gets. >> reporter: at the same time they are atrablging others like roseanne barrer. >> do you believe the q? do you know what the q is? >> reporter: the washington post says q is an anonymous top agent with top security clearance waging war against the so-called deep state in service to the 45th president. but back on earth, this is known, the promotion of the conspiracy theories has consequence. in june they detained a man who blocked hoover dam demanding the release of a report about hillary clinton's e-mail, though such a report was out. in 2016, police say a man fired a rife until a d.c. pizza place as he claimed he was
investigating a widespread conspiracy theory about human trafficking. he was convicted and is now serving four years. alex jones that pushed the pizza-gate is in court over another made-up tale. families and victims of the sandy school shooting have been hounded mercilessly since jones claims it was a hoax to push for gun control. he is counteras you can them for legal defense fees. jones is claiming the government was involved in the oklahoma city bomb and yet in 2016, candidate donald trump told this leading promoter of leading conspiracy theories, your reputation is amazing. i will not let you down, raps no surprise these folks are showing up al at trump rallies and making themselves heard. >> thank you so much. can you follow me on facebook and twitter at jake tapper.
The U.S. on Friday issued sweeping sanctions against Russia over the death of opposition leader Alexei Navalny and to mark the second anniversary of the invasion of Ukraine, targeting more than 500 people and entities as Washington seeks to increase pressure on Moscow. The U.S. Treasury Department targeted nearly 300 people and entities, while the State Department hit more than 250 and the Commerce Department added more than 90 companies to the "Entity List". The U.S. on Friday imposed sanctions
The U.K. extended its sanctions list to include Russia's Novikombank, a bank owned by the Russian state conglomerate Rostec, the U.K. government announced on Dec. 15.
european union? i think that's part of it, certainly put _ european union? i think that's part of it, certainly put ups _ european union? i think that's part of it, certainly put ups certainly - of it, certainly put ups certainly under borisjohnson there was a poor relationship with france. it runs deeper than that. i think there was a report issued yesterday shows us two things, one there is very little joint of government going on in this country in regard to things like power will organisations and private companies. —— paramilitary. this really not good coordination with our closest allies with seen in the paper issued by the foreign affairs committee it yesterday a list of very few people that have been sanctioned in connection with promotion and wagner. an entity or all three of the uk, the eu and the us. that's really quite concerning and it indicates a lack of policy coordination between them and a lack of communication information sharing, intelligence sharing. steve, you are watching the african summit in st. petersburg from afar
down extremely badly, i think amongst people really quite close to putin who have vested interest in the system and the economy and do not like the way in which the government of russia is going at the moment. , ., , , government of russia is going at the moment. , . , , ., , government of russia is going at the moment. , ., , , ., , ., moment. presumably the money that wa . ner moment. presumably the money that wagner brings — moment. presumably the money that wagner brings him _ moment. presumably the money that wagner brings him from _ moment. presumably the money that wagner brings him from his _ moment. presumably the money that wagner brings him from his exploits i wagner brings him from his exploits in africa is a crucially important to the ukraine. == in africa is a crucially important to the ukraine.— to the ukraine. -- the war in ukraine- _ to the ukraine. -- the war in ukraine. absolutely. - to the ukraine. -- the war in ukraine. absolutely. what i l to the ukraine. -- the war in i ukraine. absolutely. what i find extraordinary is not only the fact that prigozhin is a free man despite the mutiny— that prigozhin is a free man despite the mutiny we see this photograph of him smiling there today but people who allegedly were associated with this mutiny, perhaps in the defence ministry _ this mutiny, perhaps in the defence ministry. there is a purge are now at the _ ministry. there is a purge are now at the moment. we still don't know where _ at the moment. we still don't know where the _ at the moment. we still don't know where the head of the russian aerospace forces is. a man who was the commander of the russian invasion— the commander of the russian invasion force in ukraine. someone who is— invasion force in ukraine. someone who is thought to have been quite close _ who is thought to have been quite close to _ who is thought to have been quite close to wagner. he hasn't been seen
they said they had dissolved the country s constitution, suspended all institutions and have temporarily closed the nation's borders. niger 5 president mohamed bazoum has is being held by the presidential guard. the man leading the coup is col maj amadou abdramane. translation: this day, - july 23rd 2023, we, the defence and security forces, meeting within the national council for the safeguard of the homeland, have decided to put an end to the regime you know. this follows the continuing deterioration of the security situation, and poor economic and social governance. mr bazoum's whereabouts are yet unclear but in a statement on twitter on thursday morning he said the "hard—won gains will be safeguarded" and that nigeriens who love democracy will see to it. the president continues to be supported by the white house, who have expressed their concerns. we have watched this with deep concern, peter. we certainly condemn any effort to detain or to subvert the functioning of niger's democratically elected government.
russia desk at mi6. also with us is our russia editor steve rosenberg who has been watching the summit in st petersburg for us. i think there's a bit of a vacuum in the darkest parts of africa we've had the cartoon, the foreign aid marchers for not .7% of gdp was cut by the government a couple of years ago. despite the manifesto commitments. i think also there's a sense that perhaps we ignored the region where the greatest instability is at the moment. we are seeing some of that play out for that we have the events in sudan earlier and now we've got what's happening in nigeria. the earlier and now we've got what's happening in nigeria.— earlier and now we've got what's happening in nigeria. the role that it's -la ed happening in nigeria. the role that it's played in _ happening in nigeria. the role that it's played in nigeria _ happening in nigeria. the role that it's played in nigeria from - happening in nigeria. the role that it's played in nigeria from the - it's played in nigeria from the so—called enablers, the likes of the united arab emirates, india, what we don't often look at is how they enable the wegner group for that why not and why do we avoid any criticism? i
think they are now settling down to a calmer approach with up this evening actually a lot of the operations that wagner is been involved in abroad and particularly involved in abroad and particularly in africa will carry as before. all the main leaders of wagner is such that they are still in place. so it is utterly bizarre. it does suggest that putin has a use of prigozhin, that putin has a use of prigozhin, that prigozhin maybe it knows a lot about putin which putin does not want to become public. what i think is really significant is in the last year or so prigozhin has become a real hate figure amongst the elite in russia. in trying to sort of take over the black economy of st. petersburg and topple the government last autumn. the fact that putin is indulging him in this way it will go