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the windy city since friday night. five of them fatally. this orgy of violence comes just one day after 13 others were injured on thursday in chicago, including a 3-year-old in critical condition. after a gunman wielding an assault-style rifle with a high capacity magazine opened fire on a crowd. how do you stop the violence? on our show tonight, you'll meet a machine-gun toting cop who says the way to stop criminal gun violence is with more legal guns. >> a couple of rounds to the head. >> tonight, craig investigates the machine gun toting police chief of pennsylvania. also tonight, are they really going to shut it down? >> our message to the united states senate is real simple. the american people don't want the government shut down, and they don't want obama care. >> two prominent congressmen in a fiery debate over obama care. and the showdown over the shutdown.
>> i'm as firm as i can be as a reporter. there's no evidence to contradict that oswald was the lone shooter. and i was open to all kinds of two gunmen, mafia, castro, whatever. i was open to it all. but i've been investigating this for 30 years. and the turning point for me was that we got all of the fbi data associated with the assassination. and people say, well, the fbi, they wanted to cover it up. a lot of people said that. they didn't want it covered up. jay edgar hoover badly wanted there to be conspiracy, multiple gunmen, russia, cuba, whoever. do you know why he wanted that? >> to impeach the kennedy character? >> no. he wanted to be the sole investigative lead. the fbi did not have the investigative capacity to do what they wanted case because the dallas police department had jurisdiction. and hoover told 80 agents that
he sent to dallas the next day after the assassination, find me a conspiracy because if he had, if they had found it, then hoover himself would have been the sole jurisdiction over the investigation. they never found it. and they tried. they being the 80 fbi agents. we saw all of the data. and lee swill, a contributor for fox news, her father was one of the lead fbi investigators in dallas. he was appointed to follow lee harvey oswald's wife, marina, for months. and, i mean, i talked to the guy and said, is there any shred of another presence in dallas with a firearm aiming at the president? none, zero, doesn't exist. so, therefore, we returned on the fact that jay edgar hoover wanted there to be a conspiracy, because he couldn't find it. >> what about the physical difficulty of oswald taking that bolt action rifle and firing it
three times in 5.6 seconds? >> well, fbi sharpshooters have done it in less than that. we know that oswald was training with that gun. he had eyewitnesses in the book "killing kennedy" that saw him do it. it's not out of the question to do it. oswald was a good marksman. two bullets hit. one missed. but it's absolutely doable. >> what about the film -- i aired the film the first time that shows kennedy's head going back as if he was hit from the front. >> there was all kinds of aerodynamics taking place. and, again, we explain in vivid detail, almost frame-by-frame what happened. and you know as well as i do, geraldo, there's a lot of money to be made on conspiracy theories. and a lot of people have made a ton of money. oliver stone on the movie front all the way down. but martin dugard and i did an exhaustive investigation, and it isn't there. oswald did it. >> and the fact that just 7% of americans believe that? >> well, i hope they read
"killing kennedy" because the evidence that we present is overwhelming that it was oswald. >> isn't a lot of it the fact that we just don't want this young and gracious president to be killed by such a schmuck? >> some of it. but most of is it that most americans don't trust their government. >> so history was changed by this one disgruntled man? >> that's right. and it wasn't even hard. because if you see, if you go to dallas and go to dealey plaza and see how close that building, the book depository, is to where kennedy came down, in a very slow, slow ride, you can see how it happened. >> do you ever ponder how history would have been different? >> i do, but it's all speculation. i mean, i think the heartbreaking part of this is that john f. kennedy was not a good president for the first half of his three-year term. he was terrible. and we chronicle that in the book. then he changed. he changed as a man and a leader.
and he was really starting to move the country in the right direction, and, bam. >> how do you tell the story to kids? >> well, the way we did it in y "kennedy's last days" was in pictures. this is a beautiful book. and with the anniversary coming up, every american child should know what happened. and they don't teach it in school. but the kid's book is, here's camelot. here's why americans responded to it. here's who john f. kennedy was, and here's how he died. >> and you really think he was a better man the second term? >> when his baby, patrick, died, john kennedy changed dramatically for the better. and we lay that out in vivid terms as well. i'm really proud of "killing kennedy." it's an honest, really good book. if you're interested in the subject, you don't have to believe me. but what we present is compelling. >> november 10, the national geographic channel. >> rob lowe plays jfk. he has the accent down. we were on the set. i'm the executive producer of the film. it's a really good film. and, again, good for children. they need to know about their
country. >> to those who will never believe. that was lee harvey oswald. >> you're an american. you're entitled to your opinion. my job is to tell you what we know and how we know it. if you don't want to believe it, geraldo will come to your house. up next, dr. wick is here to debate mark furman. both live after this. [ sneezes, coughs ] i've got a big date, but my sinuses are acting up. it's time for advil cold and sinus. [ male announcer ] truth is that won't relieve all your symptoms. new alka seltzer plus-d relieves more sinus symptoms than any other behind the counter liquid gel. oh, what a relief it is. "i" formation! "i" formation! we have got to get the three-technique block! i'm not angry. i'm not yellin'. nobody's tackling anybody! we got absolutely... i don't think this was such a good idea. i'm on it. if we can't secure the quarterback center exchange...
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play to that constituency. and to the federal government, which now wants to enforce immigration law, because president trump made out a hallmark of his campaign. you have two opposing forces with little chance of reconciliation. it should be noted that the federal appeals courts have never required local governments to comply with detainer requests. it is optional. if you can't be arrested if you defy a detainer. an official can be arrested if he or she defies a warrant. finally, to make things worse it is comply with federal law, the trump administration will now withhold money from them in the form of justice department grants, that means cities like seattle, which receives millions of dollars to beef up local law enforcement, and institute safety programs, may no longer get that money. which is why seattle is suing. the whole thing is a giant mess and reflects the huge division in this country. will sanctuary cities be forced to comply? doubtful. but they will pay a price. that's the memo. now come the top story, an interview with the attorney
on him. they ignored it in denver, and a few weeks later, he murdered and robbed an individual in the area. so, you don't have to be a criminal but that is our top priority. >> bill: this man did not have a criminal record when you ask for a detainer. but you know he was a member of a gang and the city of denver stillwater and told him. then, he got out and he murdered someone. i'm talking about the millions of illegal aliens working the farms in california and florida and working as chambermaids or whatever. you don't have a squad or a crew going after them, do you? >> no, you are correct. that is not where we -- a i.c.e is focusing its efforts at all. we are doing a lot of good things, for example, it looks like the entries at the border are down 60% just because of president trump's strong leadership. as we continue to build a wall and beef up our forces then
bring in more judges, we'll be even more successful they are. that is the way to solve this problem. if we stay at it, we can create a lawful system of immigration, one that admits 1 million people lawfully every year and one that we can be proud of as a nation. >> bill: we don't want anarchy. now, is there any other way to pile up punishing story cities other than denying them the justice department grants, which will hurt them a little bit, but it certainly not going to put them out of business. you have heard the rhetoric from rahm emanuel and de blasio in new york and the mayor of san francisco, they will defy you. is there any other punitive measure that the trump administration is thinking of taking? >> we don't want to take any measures. we want to see the city's comply. i was pleased that miami complied. i was pleased to see the president of the maryland senate to reject a house passed bill and save maryland would not be a sanctuary state.
he said that unequivocally. he's a democrat. i think a lot of these leaders need to get, here from their constituents. you are right, it is not going to devastate their budgets. we don't have that much money that will be controlled. it is a signal. >> bill: is there anything else that is being discussed in the trump administration to punish the sanctuary cities? any other denying of funds or anything else? >> we are looking at other possibilities that would be detrimental --dash go >> bill: can you give me an example, mr. attorney general? >> i am not prepared to give that now. >> bill: oh, come on. the "no spin zone." you are discussing other things that you will do or possibly do. >> in the future, we can put requirements -- right now, under the obama administration, they sent out grantor notices that required people to a search there in compliance with the laws and threats and cutting off of various funds if they didn't comply. we'll continue to for precede
that and go further. >> bill: if you get into the transportation area, but it will be lawsuit after lawsuit. >> there's limits on what you can do. >> bill: i want to ask you one question about the russian investigation, what you recused your cell phone. is there a liaison in the justice department that is working with the fbi, actively working with the fbi right now? >> yes. we do have persons within the department of justice that work with the fbi every day and there are persons working on all the cases. >> bill: okay. you have contact. you will, of course, know what is coming back and forth. >> what i am recused on, i do not -- >> bill: even a whisper in the hallway or anything? you won't get anything? >> [laughs] i do not. >> bill: finally, loretta lynch was your pier in the obama administration last year. did you speak with her on the way out? she did things a lot differently
than you are doing them. that is for sure. >> we changed a few policies, no doubt. she is a very gracious lady. she wrote me the nicest letter when she left. i called her and we had a nice conversation about it. she had already left washington by the time i assumed the office. she is a special, wonderful lady. we had a great conversation. >> bill: final question for for you. the leakers in the various agencies, federal agencies, you guys zeroing in on them? do you think you will have some indictments shortly? >> i expect we'll get to the bottom of some of this. this is not right. we have never seen this kind of leaking. we have never seen -- it's almost as if people think they have a right to violate the law. this has got to end. probably will take some convictions to put an end to it. >> bill: do you foresee a indictment shortly? >> i want predict that. i will take that very seriously. what is happening now is not
correct on my stop. >> bill: mr. attorney general, we really appreciate it, anytime you want to stay something, i hope you come to us. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> bill: next on the rundown, as mentioned, judge jeanine pirro, outrage over the illegal alien court situation. there were hearings in controversy today, new controversy, colonel peters has some thoughts. those reports after these messages. ♪ allergies with nasal congestion? find fast relief behind the counter with claritin-d. [ upbeat music ] strut past that aisle for the allergy relief that starts working in as little as 30 minutes and contains the best oral decongestant. live claritin clear, with claritin-d. you feel every mountain we've ever conquered. in our sports cars, you feel every podium we've ever climbed.
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>> because what we are doing, we are in the system, it is set up, so, in the end, there is no way to get out of this hole. right now, we have got an immigration system, with the influx for example in 2014, an additional 160,000 immigrants who came in from central america. president obama put those at the head of the line, pushed everyone back, and the interesting thing is, the cases that were pushed back, they will get lost. witnesses are going to be lost, there is going to be files that will be lost, people will essentially disappear because they know the system is not going to -- the curious thing, 161,000 that were pushed to the front of the line, 41,000 of the 67,000 resolved, had been sent back. even matt 161,000 had not completely been resolved. it is just getting more and more and a hole. >> bill: there aren't enough judges, first of all, right? immigration judges. >> right. >> bill: there is no urgency in the part of the system to
bring these people in and figure out whether they should be allowed to stay or have to be deported. >> but now there is an urgency. what we are seeing with the trump administration, the promise of law and order at the roles implemented now by the department of justice, as the general just indicated, now, what we have our judges who are going through the detention centers. we know longer have the obama catch and release. we now have judges going to the detention centers, immediately making a determination as to deportation, and getting them out. they also understand, the immigrants understand, we are going to get caught, why pay a coyote a $10,000 -- >> bill: about 60%. what about the people who don't show up? a lot of the people who come in here, migrants, illegal aliens cover whatever you want to call them, they are giving a desk ticket or something, you have to come back now. but they don't. >> they don't. >> bill: what happens to them? >> nothing. >> bill: do they go on a computer, a i.c.e computer, a
system, a database? >> do you remember last year, the obama administration accidentally removed the names of all of those who were wanted in the immigration system? >> bill: idol or member that. >> i do. >> bill: that is why you are on the program. >> that is why you were the host and i am not afraid >> bill: you are saying that there was a giant erasure of people who didn't show up? >> of people within the system. these cases get lost, the files get lost, the people get lost, we don't have the resources. right now, we need 520 judges and we have 301 immigration judges. we don't have enough judges, we don't have enough courts. all we can do now is stem the tide. we cannot deal with what is already here. they have been flowing all over the country. we don't even know who they are or where they have been flown to. >> bill: anarchy reigns and they are trying to stop the flow coming in and take care of it after that. but still, if you are an illegal alien, the odds are, you are going to stay.
unless you commit a heinous crime, you will stay. >> unless you commit a heinous crime, you will stay. and with the sanctuary cities, unless we hurt them where it hurts, and the pocketbook, i really believe that that is the decision to withhold federal money, unless they agree -- >> bill: more money than the justice department has. >> you would be surprised. that is law-enforcement money. if you are not safe, you are not going to be happy. >> bill: the judge. directly ahead, if you watch the cable competition, you would think that the president would have been charged with a crime of the russian deal. more controversy.vi we will tell you about it when we come back. recommended by dentists. biotene. for people who suffer from a dry mouth. ♪
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the trump administration by saying that his members of the campaign colluded with putin to undermine the election. >> it would surprise me if there was no coordination with his campaign. i don't want to believe that is true. at this point -- >> bill: what facts? he doesn't say. and he wasn't even asked about it on that filthy channel. today, there was a hearing in the senate and new information about who showed congressman devin nunes classified information on the white house grounds, joining us from washington, fox news' strategic analyst, lieutenant colonel ralph peters. first of all, john robert sent this to me, and this is so crazy what is going on now. i say that because it is being used as propaganda rather than fact. apparently cover the national security council, they have an office in the white house, came across a number of instances where numbers of the trump campaign, including the president himself, showed up on
intelligence wiretaps, that is transcripts of the recorded -- secretly recorded conversations. two white house guys called nunes, the head of the house intelligence committee, to the white house, to look at the stuff, to look at -- nunes said he had a shocking stuff, but he said it had didn't have a thing to do with russia, shocking, shocking brady dr. president trump about it. okay, that is what happened. is there a scandal here or something that you are saying is our security expert that i am not seeing? >> there is a sort of scandal in the fact that this wasn't the national security council sourcing these documents. it was a couple of trump appointees assigned to the national security council. this wasn't h.r. mcmaster. he was clearly another attempt to divert attention from the main issue, which is the question of whether or not vladimir putin's regime was able to penetrate the trump campaign
and potentially the administration? >> bill: will get that into a minute. it's important, if donald trump and some high member of his transition team are caught on wiretaps, as you know, i do suppose to be blanked out, now, they are on transcripts and the intel agencies. i think that is an important story, is it not? >> i think it is a b.s. story and it is phony and no one will release those. i will tell you, unlike so many of the instant pundits out there, i actually work in the intelligence world for over two decades. we take great care not to include the names of u.s. citizens unless they are under some sort of serious investigation. so, if those names were not blacked out in the transcripts, that tells me that these people were under serious investigation, perhaps the fbi investigation. as another red herring, it diverts attention from the primary issue. that is where congressman nunes, this week -- and last weekend
this week, he stepped on more banana peels and a caterpillar. >> bill: he's not handling it methodically, that's for sure. don't we think there is a possibility -- i don't want to be like the other cable stations and rakes by speculation -- they are sick a political component inside of these agencies edge of the wiretapping, they don't like trump, they don't like his people, if they can put them in an embarrassing position and leak it to a newspaper, they might do it. isn't that in play here? >> no. i think that is untrue. if people are able to tell who voted for trump, you would find that people in the intelligence agencies, the rank and file people, probably voted overwhelmingly for him because they despised hillary clinton. political appointees of the top are another question. our intelligence agencies, not case conspiracy theories. they are patriots who defend this country every single day, they don't spy on americans.
back to congressman nunes, all he had to do, when he took that call from the white house was to say, yes, i'll come over and i need to bring my counterpart, the ranking member with me. >> bill: i told him that he shouldn't have gone to the white house, he should have gone to a neutral location. is there anything in the russian investigation, which the senate delved into today, that has caught your eye? again, it is all speculation at this point. we know the russians dented. but was there cooperation by anyone? we don't know. anything that caught your eye? >> there are two crucial questions. crucial to the security of our country in the sanctity of our elections. the first has been answered. intelligence communities are unanimous based on hard evidence that extensive evidence that putin did interfere in our presidential campaign. the question that remains unanswered is whether or not the putin regime was able to penetrate the trump campaign. on that, we have so far, the public, you and i, only have
circumstantial evidence, all the meetings with paul manafort and flynn and paige and gordon and now, jared kushner, with the russians during and after the campaign. that is circumstantial evidence. but it is not business as usual. the number of meetings and contacts, there is a lot of smoke there. >> bill: paul manafort was well before the campaign. >> and during. >> bill: the other ones were -- i don't know. >> bill, please. >> bill: if that is a hard-line couple we have to wait. to be fair, we have to wait. >> the trouble here, the scandal really for me, is that both sides are politicized. every american cares about this country and the legitimacy of our elections. every american -- >> bill: do you think the fbi will find out what happened? >> i'm encouraged by the senate's attitude but you are absolutely right. the people that will get to the bottom of this, it may take a long time, the fbi working with the treasury. they will follow the money.
>> bill: i didn't meet anybody. no russians. nothing. i'm clean. >> i don't know, you look a little russian to me. >> bill: nope, not me. irish. a long way from moscow. colonel, thank you. plenty more had "the factor" move zola had this evening. ted koppel and others believe that cable news and for an particular fox news are harming america. what does group bernie goldberg think about that? later, spring break craziness underway. watters found some college kids rejecting that. they are doing good stuff at their time off. we hope you stay tuned for those reports. ♪
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cities, and on sanctuary, there are 432 per 10,000. but, the study also said that sanctuary areas have a lower unemployment, higher household income by $4,000 a year. we were people under the poverty line. so, as of the chicken or the egg? is it because it is a sanctuary city or is it because -- >> bill: i don't believe the study at all. i think it is bogus. my opinion, we have an obligation to present it -- a second study done by whom? >> by the university of california, by riverside. they say there really isn't any difference. >> bill: no difference. >> although, they think violent crime is up a bed. basically, no different. they studied 54 cities from 2,000 2002, that is him sanctuary city starting to be developed, they found that is some crime went up. san francisco, where kate steinle -- st. louis, milwaukee, st. paul op. down, washington, baltimore,
new york. they say most people are concerned about deportation. overall, it's a wash according to them. >> bill: the third study was from a group that doesn't like illegal alien permissiveness. >> the center for immigration study. pretty shocking. they tracked 8,000 illegal aliens who were in the system at one point. they say of those 8,000, 1,867 were rearrested after they were -- >> bill: 8,000 illegal aliens were arrested, the center got their names, and tracked their behavior after the arrest, what was percentage? >> 23%. some, bill, wherefore crimes like rape, child abuse. they were led out. they were free to get back on the streets. >> bill: the recidivism rate was about 22% federal so they
find? >> they also want through the people who were released, 63% were a threat to public safety. so, it looks like at one point, releasing people who were threats, who were recidivists -- >> bill: that is what the center come but they described in that one. >> that is their records, they were convicted or they were charged with in some cases, violent crimes, left back out -- >> bill: 63% elect back out. >> many of them did it again. >> bill: now, there is a man named daniel ramirez medina, shannon bream, who was swept up by ice february 10th outside of seattle. he was kept in confinement, big story out there because he is one of these dreamers from under president obama's act that will leave these people alone. he came to the united states with their parents are relative, it is not their fault they are here. what happened to medina? >> it sounds like immigration officials were actually going after his father and we are told
that the father, according to i.c.e, was deported eight different times. he has served time for a felony drug conviction. they happen upon the sun. he got brought in. they say he has a gang tattoo. his lawyer say it is not a gang tattoo come with a tattoo celebrating where he was born. they say that the immigration agents, he admitted to gang ties. that is disqualifying under the special program that you talked about. >> bill: if i remember correctly, he said i used to hang with at my california but i came up to washington state to get away from them. the bottom line -- i hate the bottom line -- at the end result is, the judge let him out. he is out, right? >> he had been after a bond hearing before by the immigration judge. he turned it down because he is a separate lawsuit against the department of homeland security and federal court. he was positioning that chose to let them out. they are letting his lawsuit proceed but they wouldn't let about. >> bill: so, medina and his lawyers are suing i.c.e for bringing him in the first place, although he was caught with his dad in the same house, or they
were living together, and his father was a convicted felon wih eight deportations on his sheet. now, medina is suing. >> bill: he is out now. apparently, i.c.e said there is no check in, he is not wearing a monitoring -- he has a hearing in may. >> bill: he can dream the day away. he wasn't employed, by the way. he got a job. >> he is a young son and he is unemployed. >> bill: he is out and we appreciate it, guys. thanks very much. when we come right back, bernie goldberg and a very provocative question. is cable news harming america? bernie is next. ♪ here you go little guy.
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this. the hatred in our two competing metrics, pretty much off the chart, as everyone knows. it is polarizing the country, to some extent. could joining us from miami, bernie goldberg. i am changing my opinion. i used to think that the battle between conservative and liberals was predictable but it was okay, you could watch it. but this new hate deal, this has really changed things. >> okay. look, are they hammering president trump? yes. does it feel like a feeding frenzy? yes. does it sometimes cross into hate, criticism? yes. so, are they polarizing america? yes. but you leave out a couple of very important things. the first thing is, that by any rational standard, donald trump has said and done so many things that are on presidential that he is handing ammunition to his enemies.
as bad as they are, when they cross into this hate, donald trump isn't an innocent victim. in the second thing you leave out is the polarization is a two-way street. there is plenty of slobbering in certain places in conservative media over donald trump. and that also contributes to polarization. everybody is taking sides. >> bill: i don't think that is as harmful. if you look at president bush and then president obama, you had a bat. you had some slobbering and you had some criticism. you had back and forth. i lived through both of those errors. nothing like this. there are conspiratorial lists now on cable television, given hours to weave these -- you saw my commentary a couple weeks ag ago. donald trump is on a grassy knoll. he is really sasquatch. they are just on and on, no
boundaries at all. just totally different. >> bill, you are right about that. i watch because it is part of my job and i sit there and i say, these people are nuts. but i think you give them too much credit. look, donald trump won the election with 46% of the fourth. that is what it was a choice between, donald trump and hillary clinton. there is no choice -- that's history. now, the only choice is between approve and disapprove. according to the latest gallup poll, donald trump has 35% of the vote. that is terrible. >> bill: is something interesting happened today, overwhelmingly, americans believe that he will improve the economy. if he does a year from now, he'll be up in the 50s. i don't even care about the political aspect of it. i don't care. >> i do. let me finish my point. he is down on the daily tracking poll, he is down to 35%. maybe a little higher, who knows. but at the terrible number. he is losing people who voted
for him. >> bill: because of the health care debacle, though. it is in context. look, this is the key. and this is ted koppel's thing. he believes that we come at the fox news channel, because he is basically a social liberal, i don't think he is a crazy left-winger, but we are harming the nation because the nation now looks to us rather than to straight news. it has never been straight, you know that, they always slanted the news left at the networks. on, ted. but we, we are the bad, bad people. i will give the last word. go. >> well, i think ted misses a point and he is right and another point. the point he misses is that cable has given a voice to knowledgeable people who have something important to say that ted's network and the others never allowed to say. that is number one. and he misses that. but the second point he makes about how cable is polarizing america, cable didn't start the
fire. cable didn't start the polarization. that was around before cable even existed. >> bill: pouring the oil. >> because people are choosing sides. people go to the side if they like trump and that side if they don't like trump. that is adding. >> bill: it used to be, he respected, those of us who had a clear-eyed, respected point of view, opposite hours, now, you have to hate them. that is what cable news has brought and it's terrible. bernie, thank you. watters on deck. it is spring break time. this year, we are not going to show you drunken kids passing out on the beach. watters has a story that is actually inspirational. next. ♪ inflammatory substances that cause nasal congestion and itchy, watery eyes. for relief beyond the nose. flonase.
>> bill: "back of the book" segment tonight, "watters' world." for decades, cooked college students have use their spring break vacation to party hard and sometimes embarrass themselves. there is another take on this. students from the university of delaware and other schools are working at charleston, west virginia, this spring to improve the lives of people in the area. watters zeroed in on one man whose house was severely damaged by flooding. ♪ >> what are you doing out here for spring break? >> i'm here with the university of delaware spring break program. we are here fixing up a house in napa last year. >> how much time each day do you spend working on this house? >> we are here for about nine hours a day. >> nine hours a day? and you are not getting paid? >> no. >> most freshmen at the university of delaware are at a beach doing booty shaking contests and you are here building homes. >> i don't think i'm missing much.
this is much better, to be honest. >> bill: was made you want to do volunteer work for spring br? >> i have been doing it since i was six. i firmly believe that giving back to the community or any other community is great. >> -volunteering a lot throughout my life and of all natural to you is my spring break to come and do something like this. >> it is the most rewarding thing i can do. >> did your parents make you come here for spring break? >> absolutely not. >> really? >> no. >> are you here for how long? >> just one week. >> and your friends are out funneling beers on a beach? >> i definitely miss my friends. but this is such a great opportunity, i am making new friends every day. >> do you find that some of your friends in college judge you for doing something like this? >> they judge you in a positive light. everybody looks up to everyone that goes on these trips. >> all my friends are really supportive of it. they helped me make the decision of the come on the trip. >> being away and getting to cut that all off, we don't really have reception here, i don't
have a phone to see what people are doing. it is really nice to actually leave that all behind and do what is really important. >> it is really rewarding. we work really closely with the home owner, preston, he is awesome. >> when did the students come help you out? >> they started three weeks ago. they had a group coming into the living room floor, the back porch. >> i am not going to quit my day job. [laughter] >> i'm appreciated -- how appreciative of the students are you? >> tremendous. there is no words you can put in and say that college students are going to come to west virginia to help me instead of going somewhere else to party and stuff like that. it's just great. >> we are just screening this two buy for to put up a frame for the wall. >> we had a lot of leakage and water damage. >> they are putting a tin roof on, because it leaked in five different places. that helps out a lot.
when the flood came through, just destroyed everything. >> know that i have been here, i think i have become more attached to the community and it is nice to help the community as a whole and as an individual. >> thank you very much. i would tell you to behave what you are all doing a very good job of that. always remember one thing. i am watters and this is my world. >> bill: so, here is watters. now, the man who owned the home, he is poor, right? >> he is very poor. he broke his neck and his back. now, he is on disability, cannot work. bought the house four years ago, then come with a flood destroyed everything. they hooked up with these college kids and they have been working there almost 95 every single day. they have done 20 homes over the course of spring break. and this appalachia service project has done a lot of great work for a lot of poor communities in this area. >> bill: when we make fun of the kids and all of that, the best thing is, no cell phone service. >> [laughs]
that's good. >> bill: get away from it for a little while. great story. will you run some of this on saturday night? >> we will run a little bit of that. we will do a maxine waters investigation. >> bill: oh, keep me out of it. >> you are out of bed but we will let her have a little bit of it. >> bill: jesse watters, 8:00 p.m., saturday night. "the factor" tip of the day, more health. "the tip" moments away. ♪ little girl: daddy! trapped by your unrelenting nasal allergies? [ meow ] [ sneezes ] try clarispray clarispray provides unsurpassed relief. it's 24 hour, non-drowsy and prescription strength. free yourself with clarispray, from the makers of claritin.
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BillFactorNo-spin-zoneKitchen-floorLaughterCautionSanctuary-citiesBillo-reillyMemoPointsUs-Thanksdetail -- she actually had a plan on toughening this body that would prove these kinds of comforter hooked on my controversial deals. she is very knowledgeable on the subject she's a hawk on this issue. for her to pretend like i don't know what was going on stretches credulity and that's one of the reasons we need to have an investigation and really to this point, we have not had a congressional hearing on this. we have not had a grand jury as far as we know. it's just shocking to me that there has been no investigation on this whatsoever. >> tucker: just to be clear, the dots we are connecting are not very far apart. the chairman of this uranium country is also on the board of the clinton foundation and the coastline of the clintons. the podesta group lobbied on behalf of this company. am i getting these facts wrong? >> you are exactly right. here's the bottom line. as this deal was coming for approval in 2010 the clinton
foundation received from nine shareholders in this uranium company that was sold to the russians. none of them all of a sudden decided they were going to donate large amounts of money to the clinton foundation, more than 145 million. by the way, a lot of those donations were never declared publicly by the clintons, they were hidden. it stinks on so many levels. here's the other important national security implications. this deal was predicated on the fact that when the russians got control of this uranium it would not be exported out of the united states, that was part of the agreement. "the new york times" has now reported that that's not true. yellowcake from these uranium mines are being exported out of the united states and we don't even really know where they are going. that and of itself demands investigation. >> tucker: about 20% of it they've reported has gone to an unknown destination. peter schweitzer, the person who broke the story in the beginning it has been on it ever since. thank you. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: questions of bribery aside, why exactly did
the obama administration allow a foreign rival, russia, to control 20% of american uranium reserves? soderberg was in the to the united nation's and deputy national security advisor under president clinton and she joins us. thanks for coming on. >> my presser. >> tucker: leaving aside the questions of the doj investigation, why in the world would hillary clinton state department and the obama administration sign off on a deal that allows a rival power to control 20% of our uranium reserves? >> these business deals are ones that had review of nine different agencies and they agreed that since it was going to stay in the country that it would be an acceptable way to keep our uranium safe here and under appropriate control. i think the reporter that has been gone and yellowcake has been really disproven. i really think -- you are digging at the bottom of the barrel here. >> tucker: let me stop you there. you think it was a good idea for the obama administration to give
russia our primary adversary in the world, according to the democrats, control of parnate, 20% of our uranium? why is that a good idea? i'm sincere. why is that a good idea? >> i'm not familiar with the details of this particular uranium deal but we have traded in uranium with appropriate controls throughout the last 40 years, bipartisan, both republican and democrat governments feel that we can keep the appropriate control. the bigger issue here is this whole issue is fake news in terms of an investigation. it's been shut -- all president trump has to do is ask his current deputy attorney general and deputy head of the fbi, who looked at this and closed it in 2015. this is fake news trying to divert -- >> tucker: i'm not engaging in -- you may have that view but i'm not engaging in that. i'm asking about the policies. >> why are we talking what happened wow something that happened almost ten years ago? >> tucker: hold on. >> the russians are -- invading
in our own democracy, we should be talking with that. >> tucker: if we are as concerned about russia as you say we should be, as you just said we are to be, then why wouldn't we be concerned about the fact that according to the nuclear regulatory commission reported in "the new york times," some large percentage of this uranium in the form of yellowcake has been exported to unknown countries? what countries do think those are? switzerland? >> i have no idea. >> tucker: hold on. >> are not a government right now. >> tucker: you have no problem -- hold on. why are you concerned about that? >> look, what i'm more concerned about right now, i'm concerned about any breach of our national security. if there's a problem here we need to investigate it and look at that and that's what both residents at democrats and republicans do. what i'm more concerned about is the invasion of our democracy by that very power you are trying to go back ten years ago. what did the russians do in our investigation right now and why
are the doj -- why are the current -- what i want to know and what your show should be talking about is why are the republicans in this congress trying to cut off the investigation of russia's role in our democracy? that's real news. >> tucker: you know what, i will grant you that point. i don't care. i want to talk about the fact that uranium is being mined in the american west and is controlled by the russian government, the very one that you say poses a threat to our democracy. why shouldn't every american sat bolt upright and safe, what? how the heck did they could control that? it's not ten years ago, it's happening right now. >> the uranium is under very tight control, security. my understanding is they own some -- they own some of the company that owns it. if it's a problem that we need to have the president look into that. he's in charge right now and
president trump should look into it. >> tucker: would you upside off an ideal? knowing what you know about russia, you don't think this is insane? the country six or description, control of our uranium supply? >> this was a deal that almost ten years ago. 2010. it's almost 2018. look, no. >> tucker: that's not speculation, that's a fact. >> all of us take very seriously the control of uranium and plutonium, our stockpiles. absolutely i do. >> tucker: maria blowing past my questions, which are real? >> i've said several times these types of deals, i'm not familiar with this particular one, very, very tight control, reviewed by nine agencies, all of whom signed off. >> tucker: we don't know where the yellowcake is going. if that's been reported by "the new york times," it's not something i'm making up in the right land. why are you upset about it? >> i haven't seen that report and from what i know they have very tight controls on them.
if there's a problem than the trump administration needs to immediately look at it. >> tucker: i agree. >> what i'm concerned about is congress doing russia's bidding for trying to stop the investigation of russia's collusion in our election. why are they -- >> we have an independent counsel investigation. >> congress are trying to it -- why the republicans in congress trying to do russia's bidding and stop the investigation -- >> tucker: i'm a little upset you are going to political bumper stickers. >> you are trying to dig back in history to deflect from what's going on in today's -- what's happening right now -- >> tucker: why am i the policy person in this conversation? >> as i've said, we need to address the security of the deal that was all most ten years old and we will. the president of the united states has the power to do that. what i'm concerned about is what's happening today and russia's interference in our election. >> tucker: this is happening today, they have control right now. >> why is the republican
congress trying to cut that -- >> tucker: whatever, they have no control, it's an independent counsel investigation, they can't stop it. >> they are trying to cut the funding off. >> tucker: i'm worried about the dissemination of yellowcake, i will let our viewers to side. >> the american people need to know what happened in our election and that's the bottom line. >> tucker: all right, ambassador, thanks for joining us, appreciate it. the hollywood backlash against sexual harassment has named mike named inuit. this time amazon. details on that next. for the future. who's he? he's the green money you can spend now. what's up? gonna pay some bills, maybe buy a new tennis racket. he's got a killer backhand. when it's time to get organized for retirement, it's time to get voya. whstuff happens. old shut down cold symptoms fast
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>> tucker: : kaepernick became an icon on the left were voicing his political views and now, irony of ironies, he's going after the nfl owners for expressing their own political views. kaepernick started the trend of kneeling for the anthem. he hasn't been signed by a team in the nfl this year. he says that's because the owners, the team owners, have colluded to keep them blackballed from the league. he is now suing the nfl. does he have a case? saturdays 9:00 p.m. eastern, you already watch it but you should keep doing so. judge, this opens up a whole new list of possibilities. i would love to be in the nfl. can i sue because they haven't hired me? >> calling capper nick has a right to his opinion, but he doesn't have the right to be in the nfl. this guy is a crybaby, he's claiming he's a victim, he's claiming that this collusion in the nfl. think about this, tucker. what he has to prove in this collective bargaining claim of
collusion and conspiracy is that several teams in the nfl, or the nfl officials, and at least one team got together and said we will prevent this great football quarterback from being in the nfl because of his political views. i got news for you: they can keep you out of the nfl for whatever reason they want. they can decide they don't like you and keep you out of the nfl. you don't have a right to be in the nfl. but he's got to prove by a clear preponderance of the evidence, with evidence, that they colluded. what evidence does he have a collusion? right now he's saying that there was a political atmosphere that the president was partisan in this. : kaepernick needs to understand he took a knee and, what was it, august of 2016, when the president had not even mentioned this and he became a free agent in march of this year.
the president didn't talk about any of this until last month. he saying i'm a victim of the president and all this political partisanship, the president didn't open his mouth until a month ago. >> tucker: the claim itself is just ludicrous on common sense grounds. character is clearly not an important criteria in the nfl, they hire horrible people all the time. if it's a pure meritocracy. they hire the best football players. they have a long history of that, right? >> if you look at the rap sheets of any of these? the proportion of the guys who have been arrested. i'm not even going to go into it, but make no mistake, the domestic violence, some of the claims that we fight about, manslaughter, et cetera. what you've got with: kaepernick is a guy who, sure, he helped the 49ers get to the super bowl, but he was benched 2015 for the whole year. we don't say it because you decide you want to be a free agent and get out of your contract, now all of a sudden you have more rights than everybody else. you don't, and i don't care who your lawyer is, i don't care --
this seems to me to be a leftist agenda to bring donald trump into the issue, the president, everything is his fault, no, it isn't and you are not a victim. you are just not as good as you used to be. >> tucker: i like the argument. i've got political views are no nfl contract, i wonder if there was collusion. we've got another studio had brought down by sexual harassment allegations. roy price. a producer for the show "the man of the high castle," one of the most popular shows on amazon says that he aggressively propositioned her for sex. according to a hollywood reporter, this looks something like, a little bit like the harvey weinstein story. what does it add up to? if this evidence that weinstein is not alone? >> i think that it is more evidence that there is a culture in hollywood that allows men in positions of power to try to seduce, sexually harassed, sexually abuse young women that
this casting couch, a.k.a. casting bed, and something that is so much a part of business that they don't even talk about it. and i think that -- look, amazon is huge. you and i both know it's huge. this guy is not only accused of sexual harassment, rose mcgowan said i was raped by harvey weinstein. under federal law you are supposed to look into those allegations. in addition to that, he then got rid of i believe it was -- there was some kind of project being developed by someone who had made a claim of sexual harassment and he got rid of it. this guy, price, was a very tight with weinstein. what we need now, tucker -- look, i was a prosecutor for a long time. i did sex crimes. we need to get to the bottom of this culture in hollywood. we need to have a liaison with the national va association, talk to women in new york, in
l.a., wherever they are doing movies, motion pictures, get the motion picture association to find it if they really mean business, because this is going not just across the country, but across the globe in terms of the victimization of women who are young, vulnerable and want a career. >> tucker: i don't understand this. harvey weinstein was a big donor to planned parenthood, obviously he supports women. that's the one thing we know about hollywood, it's an empowering place. they voted overwhelmingly for hillary clinton, how could they not be on the side of women? >> this is part of the hollywood hypocrisy where do as i say, not what i do. by the way, harvey weinstein's support of women projects and programs is nothing more than a prophylactic, so to speak, for his attempt to do what he's got to do and then say i'm innocent, i love women. i love women, look at all of these issues. >> tucker: i hired lisa bloom, i'm a good person! i thought my indulgences.
it's like the medieval church. >> that's classic hollywood and the fact that so many strong women, tucker, didn't come out and say anything, they just went along with it, tells me we need an outside, independent agency to oversee what's going on in hollywood. >> tucker: [laughs] i'm sorry to laugh, the ironies are so deep. it's great to see you. judge jeanine pirro. every weekend. thank you. he probably thought the threat of president hillary clinton was dead and buried, but like a zombie, it rises once again. professor lauren of harvard has a plan to reverse the election results. joins us next to explain what it is.
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>> tucker: it's been almost a year since the 2016 election, ten months send the inauguration, but the idea of a hillary clinton presidency refuses to die. >> she going to run, please run again. there were a lot of reasons she didn't when my, including the fact that she was not what she did. >> tucker: our next guest says hillary clinton may not even have to run again, she may be appointed president. harvard professor lawrence lessig recently wrote a piece explaining that she can still become president, hillary can, without waiting for 2020. what exactly is this plan? professor lawrence lessig joins us now. next are coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: i want to take this seriously because you are a harvard professor, you are smart. i know you are a sincere person. it doesn't seem like a very
democratic plan, but how exactly does hillary clinton having lost, become the president? >> i didn't like a piece predicting anything. i wrote a piece in response to a question. the question i got was, what happened if it is shown that there was a conspiracy to steal the election? what i said was -- i'm not even sure i think i believe that. there's no evidence evidence of that, not enough to actually speculate about it in public, but if that is true, if it is shown than what should happen? and i think the fundamental point that if you steal the election, you have to give it back, is something we all should be able to agree upon. i don't know why there should be much argument about that. all i was trying to explain is one of the steps that would actually happen if this was the first thing that happen? number one, if it is shown without doubt that there was a conspiracy to steal, which is different from lots of other reasons you might impeach a president. this is a very particular one, the president should resign. if the president to resign, so too share the vice president resigned, and if that happens
that under the presidential succession statute, paul ryan becomes president. that's where the hard question comes. should ryan remain president as somebody who has inherited because of this theft, or should he do what i think is actually the moral thing to do, the right thing to do, which is to correct for the theft. he could correct the theft very easily under the 25th amendment by nominating a democrat, hillary clinton, to be his vice president and then step aside. it's a speculation based on the question that was presented to me hundreds -- not hundreds of times, i'm a law professor, tens of times. >> tucker: a couple of things, when you say theft, do you mean literally theft? if it could be shown that the kremlin somehow controlled the voting machines? or is it theft in the sense in which it's used in washington now, that somehow sophisticated russian propaganda convinced a lot of right-wing mouth breathers and a couple of key
states to vote against their own interests and selecting from? which of those? propaganda? >> its actual theft. it's not just actual theft. if you show that the russians actually controlled the voting booths and flipped the election, but trumpet nothing to do with it, in the sense that you can't show it was a conspiracy, i don't think there's anything that hangs on from. the only thing i was talking about was the extreme case, the unthinkable case where there is an agreement, a conspiracy working together between a foreign government and a campaign to bring about the actual changing of votes, or something at that level, to lead to the flipping of the election. that's the hypothetical i was trying to address. >> tucker: that is so hypothetical. by the way, just for the record, if that was ever shown, i would be leading the charge against anyone who would do something -- that's totally immoral and that would be hope's aversion. >> of course, that's why i'm kind of surprised by the outrage. >> tucker: here's the thing,
that is so unlikely that it almost seemed like you were writing a piece of pornography were desperate for trump to not be president. saying this could actually happen, you know what i mean? you are rating escapist literature for unhappy lefties kind of thing. >> i'm not sure that's what i wrote. the first, the second paragraph of what i wrote, i don't know that i believe it, i certainly haven't seen clear evidence that i don't think is appropriate to speculate about whether there is clear evidence of it. but i get emails from people asking what if there was such a conspiracy? i set it up to say i'm not saying this is true, i'm just trying -- a lot of people say can we have a new election, or can the supreme court forced the electoral college to vote again? what i'm trying to say is none of those things are possible under our constitution. you can't have a new election, you can't have a new electoral college vote, all of that is fixed, there's no way to go
back. but there is this path given the way the 25th amendment works that it could actually work. again, not a prediction, not a plan. >> tucker: i get it, it's a little like saying -- i'm not seeing the israelis are behind 9/11, but just theoretically, would it be better to say using the immoral authority you have is a tenure more professor, that's not true. there's literally zero evidence that the russians got into our voting machines at any level, we look into this, it's not true and move on, wouldn't it be better to do that? >> as soon as the actual ongoing investigation of what happened is finished then yes, i think exactly what you're saying is true. but when i started the piece by saying is that there's this chatter that is coming up. it could just be conspiracy theorists, i don't know, i don't really care. again, i wasn't making a press release and coming out and trying to do some big event drawing attention to this, i was just writing a blog post in response to a question.
>> tucker: people pay attention -- you are not just writing a blog post. people pay attention to what you say because you are smart and you have this position of authority. let me ask you this thing. can you understand the perspective of the term voter looking on at this saying i voted for the car, i knew his boss, but i did it because i felt like he was better than the option -- and ever since i voted for him i've been attacked as a moral by the elites in washington, boston, new york and los angeles calling me immoral and trying to take the election are way for me and i'm offended by that? can you see that perspective? >> oh, my gosh, of course i can. it's not just seeing the perspective -- i completely understand. there's a segment of the people who voted for donald trump who were so deeply frustrated with what they perceived to be the deeply corrupted way that washington works and i'm one of those people that has been on that charge. i completely get it. i'm the first person to say i wish that all of these questions would be bracketed and put to one side, or answered at least.
in the context of this ongoing investigation i don't think it's to be placed on me that i'm answering a question about -- something that came out of the investigation. all i'm saying is here's what could happen if something came out of the investigation. >> tucker: unlikely to happen. as a nonlaw professor. >> i will support you on that, it's unlikely to happen. >> tucker: thank you. lawrence lessig. up next, you pay for illegal immigrants to go to school, college, get food stamps, housing vouchers at a whole lot more. are you ready to start paying for their abortions? that's on the table somehow all of a sudden. we will discuss, next. i was a good soldier.
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voting for donald trump. that's the idea. there are some bugs in the system. earlier this week "the new york times" reported that fake news stories have persistently popped up as, believe it or not, google-driven ads on fact-checking websites. and adam pollitt affects said that melania trump was meeting the white house, a bogus story that joanna gaines was leaving her tv show. perhaps divining fact from fiction isn't google's strong after all. it's well-established at this point the left believes single person on earth has the right to enter this country are not. the avant-garde liberals are finding a new rate for illegal aliens, the right to have an abortion at taxpayer expense. kristin hawkins is president of her students for life for america. just wrote a piece about this, she joins us for night stomach tonight. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for coming on.
>> tucker: you fill in the blanks, liberals are arguing that u.s. taxpayers somehow have an obligation to fund abortion for illegal aliens? true? >> that's right. at this young girl entered our country illegally, she's from central america. she informed the government once she was apprehended that she was pregnant and that she wanted to have an abortion. not surprisingly, the aclu seized this opportunity, along with their abortion allies to mandate that taxpayers facilitate our abortion and this is just a shocking case because it shows you just how far the aclu, their friends at planned parenthood and the abortion industry want to take their extremist abortion agenda. they want to use this girl, and what they're trying to do is use or a sort of a way to internationalize roe vs. wade. declaring that she has a constitutional right to have a taxpayer-funded abortion. the last time i checked the constitution only applies to americans. >> tucker: i don't think it directly addresses whether or
not we have an obligation to pay for the abortions of illegal aliens. it almost seems like -- the left loves abortion, they think it's the key to freedom. it almost seems like it's not really all about the abortion, if the aclu and affiliated group seeing how high they can raise the middle finger in the face of middle america and say we hate you, we despise your values and we will do exactly what we want to make you pay for it whether you like it or not. >> that's right. this is something that goes against the majority of americans. majority of americans are against taxpayer-funded abortions and now they are just doing this again. they actually try to use this gross case to add onto their additional additional losses that they are already trying to stop catholic charities, one of the largest charities in our country from receiving federal grants of up to help refugees and immigrants. this is their antilife, their anti-faith agenda coming out in full force and that's what we're seeing. that's why really it so important that we have president trump there in d.c. we have a pro-life administration, a pro-life hhs,
because they are the ones trying to protect this young girl from the aclu, from planned parenthood, who are simply using her. >> tucker: i am pro-life, but you wouldn't have to be in order to find this appalling, the idea -- if some federal judge decides in fact the constitution has been hiding this obligation for 225 years, would this mean that u.s. taxpayers have an obligation to fund the abortion of anybody from around the world that comes here? >> that's right. this is setting up dangerous precedent. what this will do is tell any young, scarecrow in central america, or anywhere else in the world, come to the united states illegally or legally and we will find a taxpayer-funded abortion for you. this is dangerous stuff, especially when you consider this young girl coming from central america, who made that dangerous, life-threatening journey to cross our borders and this is the signal we will be sending out across the world. >> tucker: this is what trump is going to win back again no matter how flawed he is, normal
people look at the alternative and say you scare me because you are nuts, actually. you are hateful. >> they are extremists. >> tucker: 's that's for sure. thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: that is appearing las vegas guard his back, jesus compost appeared on the ellen to generous show today, but the res about las vegas remain unanswered. you didn't think it was possible, but it has, we will fill you in after the break. shut down cold symptoms fast with maximum strength alka seltzer plus liquid gels. ♪ stare with me into the abyss ( ♪ )
last thursday, but he abruptly back out without telling anybody and disappeared. today he resurfaced, he made an appearance on the ellen degenerate show. here's part of it. they go you just want this to be over so you're talking about it now and then you're not going to talk about it again, and i don't blame you, because why relive this over and over again. it's helpful for people to understand what a hero you are, because you being shot in the leg saved so many people's lives, so we just want to celebrate you, that's why you're here today. we want to thank you for what you've done. >> tucker: how exactly does that work? is that really an interview? it turns out it could actually be a bizarre case of cross marketing by mgm resorts, that owns mandalay bay. it sponsors the ellen degenerate show and features ellen theme slot machines and many casinos, including mandalay bay. maybe that's why he did the interview. meanwhile, mgm reached out to us after reports came out
suggesting that jesus compost was using someone else's social security number. mgm company claims they verified his employment eligibility back in 2015 and it was a social security card. mark stein is an author and columnist and he joins us tonight. look, i'm not a conspiracy not at all and i'm desperately hoping the authorities will prevent me from forming my own conspiracies to explain what has become excrete singly and exportable, but it looks like that interview was managed by md that's what it but i'm on ellen show. does that give you confidence that the public is learning anything meaningful about the story? >> no, and i'm not a conspiracy not either, but you are entitled to be one on this, tucker, because whether by intention or design, nothing is proceeding normally in this case. up to the absurdity where someone says i'm only going to give one interview and i'm going
to give it to ellen to generous. >> tucker: [laughs] >> i've got nothing against -- i've got nothing against ellen. >> tucker: i don't either! >> this seems very weird choice and as you say she manages to say you are a true hero because by getting shot in the leg you saved so many lives. that's not what happened. that was the old narrative. >> tucker: exactly. >> at the old narrative was that he interrupted the gunfire, took a shot in the leg and brought the massacre to a halt. then the sheriff said, sorry, i got things the wrong way around, actually mr. compost got there before the mass shooting started and then apparently the shooter between shooting mr. compost in the lake, there was then a six minute delay before he started massacring everybody, during
which time he had a nice cup of tea, a call down to room service or whatever he did and then the hotel said that's not what happened, there's a third timeline and then everybody does the obvious and says why don't we ask mr. compost what happened and then they say suddenly, he has disappeared, he's gone now. he's off the scene, no one has seen him for a week. then he comes back and he's on the ellen to generous show. that's how conspiracy theories start and everybody is entitled to take a flyer on whatever conspiracy theory they want in this case because were, for whatever reason, mandalay bay and the ellen degenerate show have muddied the waters to total impenetrable lady now. >> tucker: i think it so nicely put because it's clear, and by the way, simply because mgm managed this interview, doesn't mean that it's an accurate, i'm not attacking mgm. but i also think it was managed, clearly it was managed. so they are under a ton of legal
pressure because the usual ambulance chasers are circling the hotel looking for payouts and so that suggests that he's under a lot of pressure to give a specific story line that may not be that useful in understanding what happened. >> there's other issues here, talker. las vegas is one of the most surveilled cities on earth, because all these big casinos resort owners want to know what people are doing in the building from every conceivable angle. even before we got the big post-9/11 security, in vegas they had cameras everywhere linked to some back office where everybody is looking at what you're doing. and what's interesting to me is that there are some's that goes on in london or paris or brussels or wherever, the brussels airport farming is a very good example. they pulled some stunned at the
brussels airport, kill a bunch of people. within 24 hours you've got the closed-circuit television picture showing the killer moving through the airport concourse. here, mandalay bay has not released any footage, any shots of the sky, the couple of pictures, event of the hotel room door are actually extremely limited. 200 rounds did indeed come through the store, that must be the best build hotel room door in the history of hotel rooms. >> tucker: exactly right. >> so, i might be wrong, there might be an explanation for tha that. he might not have been a very good shot so he was actually firing through the cheap sheet rock to the side of the door. i don't know. the fact is that mandalay bay has not done what brussels airport did in that terrorist attack. >> tucker: totally right.
>> nobody knows what this guy was doing. >> tucker: there's dishonesty in her somewhere. quickly, just to prove i'm not a conspiracy not, want to ask about the jfk assassination. 54 years ago next month, a long time ago. we are about to get as released by law, the final tranche of papers from the investigation into the murder. the cia is apparently arguing those papers should be held for another 25 years, which would bring the total up to almost 80 years that they are under wrap from public view. what could be the justification for that? >> again, you are entitled to be a conspiracy not on this one too, and it makes you wonder when donald trump in one of his more inventive moves placed ted cruz his father on the grassy knoll that day in the late stages of the presidential primary campaign. makes you wonder, it seemed a little crazy at the time and i you look at the facts.
we all know ted cruz was born in alberta, was his father operating on the instructions of the canadian government? we have some canadian deep sleeper operation going on here. >> tucker: one of my personal favorite moments. we are out of time unfortunately. more conspiracies. that was great. >> thanks a lot, talker. >> tucker: up we will wrap up with the discourse on fitness from cnn's poet laureate chris cuomo. your body was made for better things than rheumatiod arthritis. before you and your rheumatologist move to another treatment, ask if xeljanz xr is right for you. xeljanz xr is a once-daily pill
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Medicare-supplement-insurance-planIssueDealsBodyDetailHawkComforterSubjectKindsOneDoj-investigationPointhe has a pattern. what the pattern we have from donald trump is a lot of times he'll lie about something that happens and he'll do what he wants to do. >> all of this -- >> i'm convinced -- >> symone -- >> i've convinced her. >> i think you made a lot of progress with symone. all that matters, what will this mean if the president does meet with special counsel and asked about this? if he gives answers he's been giving to the media and others, it may not go well. our coverage continues right now, "cnn tonight" with don lemon. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> it is bombshell breaking news on the russia investigation, really. this is" cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. this is hugely significant. the president, president trump ordered robert mueller, the special counsel heading up the russia investigation fired this past june. and the only thing that stopped him was when his own white house counsel don mcgahn threatened to quit rather than carry out the order. this story was first reported by
the rosenstein firing, the rosenstein the president has not trusted for quite some time, really, if ever. again, that was another reason he kept being discussed. the president kept saying to people that rosenstein comes from baltimore, which is not true. and the idea that he is trying to suggest that he is a democrat. but rosenstein has been in the president's craw future some time. and the idea is if you get rid of rosenstein, then you would have someone else become the attorney general. in this case, it was the number three, rachel brand, and perhaps she would be a better overseer of the special counsel. >> maggie haberman, tremendous reporting. thank you very much. we appreciate you joining us on cnn. >> thank you. >> again, this is our breaking news tonight. hugely significant. president trump ordered robert mueller, the special counsel heading up the russia investigation, fired this past june. and the only thing that stopped
him was when the white house counsel don mcgahn threatened to quit rather than carry out the order. again, the story supported by "the new york times" has been confirmed down now by two other news organizations. let's bring in cnn senior political analyst mark preston, cnn political analyst carl bernstein and white house reporter kaitlan collins. also john dean, who was of course white house counsel, nixon's white house counsel and cnn legal analyst laura coates joins us as well. man, what a story we have here. i'm going get to all of you. but mark, i want to get to you first. let me read this. this is from maggie's reporting. it says the west wing confrontation is the first time mr. trump is known to have tried to fire the special counsel. mr. mueller learned about the episode in recent months as his investigators interviewed current and former senior white house officials in his inquiry into whether the president obstructed justice. so, mark, what's your reaction to this breaking story? >> you know, unfortunately, don, i'm not surprised by it at all. and i don't think anybody who is watching tonight should be surprised by it at all. he has been very adamant about his opposition to this
investigation, which leads you to wonder why has he been so fervently against it? at the same time, there is a track record. he fired james comey because he wasn't considered loyal enough to him. he wanted jeff sessions to leave his job as the attorney general because he would recuse himself from overseeing the mueller investigation now. we know that jeff sessions had offered his resignation, and it wasn't accepted. this is another very big red flag that i think those people out there that are watching that think this has just been going down rabbit holes and that this is a partisan attack or criticism of donald trump that. they need to stop and start looking at the evidence right now. >> of course, if you're only paying attention to conservative media, you might not believe that you might not even get the news on conservative media. laura, i have to ask you this. the president didn't ultimately go through with it, okay. can this be used as evidence against trump for obstruction? >> yes, obstruction is a crime
of endeavoring. you can endeavor to actually obstruct justice, and that can be enough to move the needle towards obstruction, even if you did not accomplish that crime. and all the things you're talking about marks a discussion about a pattern. these are all patterns of consciousness of guilt. these are all contextual clues telling you can infer what his intent would be, and he is endeavored to not only do these things, but in one case, if his own statements to lester holt are to believed, he actually accomplished one form of obstruction by trying to fire and actually firing james comey because of his handling and continuation of a russia investigation that circled around him and his inner circle. >> john dean, i wanted you to hear some of the reporting first before i got to you. what do you make of all this? i'm sure this is reminiscent of when you served as special counsel. >> well, in a way, it is. laura is right in saying that under the statutory law, this is clearly an endeavor. what we have, though, is another
set of laws called the law of impeachment. whatever that is what the majority of the house of representatives says it is. and whether they decide it is an impeachable offense, of course, is a majority vote. but they all draw from statutes and make those the relevant standard. but i think we're just piecing another piece in this big puzzle as to what is intent. and he is making very clear his intent was to obstruct. >> if this had taken place, john, would this have been on par with the saturday night massacre under nixon? >> oh, absolutely. absolutely. i think that don mcgahn threatened to resign because he had no choice. he realized he was engaging and possibly joining a criminal conspiracy to remove or to obstruct justice. and that's what a lawyer has to do in a situation like that is either threaten to resign or quietly resign.
in some jurisdictions, they actually have to make a noisy withdrawal when they do it. >> yeah. you were shaking your head in agreement when you said this is another piece in the puzzle, and a big piece. >> it is. because we see the pattern above all things. donald trump through his first year in office has done everything possible to undermine, obstruct, demean, and halt this legitimate investigation into his campaign, the conduct of people in his family. it doesn't mean they're guilty. he doesn't want this investigation to go forward at all costs. he now has engaged the republican party, which is staking its future to some extent in trying to undermine the investigation. what we've seen in the last two weeks from republicans trying to undermine mueller's version is quite extraordinary thinking has to speak to deeper concerns the president might have to this investigation, carl, and where it might lead, no?
>> well, of course he's concerned. look, i can't be in donald trump's head. that's a very dangerous place to be. but i think it's obvious, and he hates where this investigation is going. he tells his friends, oh, there is nothing there. that this is a witch-hunt. they just want to get into my finances. but this is about his conduct, about his conduct in the campaign, about his conduct in the transition, about his conduct in possible obstruction as president of the united states. and it is deadly serious. and the people around him understand he is in legal danger. he may or may not understand he is in legal danger. but that's what we're dealing with here. but there is an extraordinary second element of that. and that is what we are seeing once again with the white house counsel restraining the president of the united states from following his instincts. what is going on in the white house now is trying to contain a president whose basic instincts
are out of control very often, and to do things that are neither reputable, often not legal, and certainly not in keeping with the presidential oath to defend the office in a responsible way. >> with the tradition of presidents who came before him. what is the white house saying, if anything tonight? >> the only statement they put out is from ty cobb, a white house lawyer saying they respectfully decline to comment on this out of respect for the special counsel's investigation and its process, which is a very interesting comment especially in light we just saw anthony scaramucci talk with our colleague chris cuomo saying it's irrelevant president wanted don mcgahn to fire because that's not how it works. it's interesting if you look at what has happened over the last 36 hours. because the white house has put out this information to reporters saying 20 people from the white house has spoken with robert mueller. we've given them all these documents. we fully cooperated. they're putting on this front that they're fully cooperating with the special counsel's office.
but as maggie, who broke the story just pointed out, the white house has spent the last seven months lying to not only reporters, but the american people because they have said that the president did not consider firing him. he did not threaten to fire him. it was not on his mind at all. from sean spicer to sarah sanders to kellyanne conway, to the president himself, these people have lied to the american people saying to the president was not considering firing the special counsel when in fact he was. >> mark, kaitlan, laura, john thank you very much. carl bernstein, john dean, i want you to stay with me. when we come back, president trump tried to fire special counsel robert mueller last june, and the only threat by his own white house counsel to quit stopped him. did the president learn nothing from the firestorm over firing james comey?
president trump called for special counsel robert mueller to be fired in june. but backed down when white house attorney don mcgahn threatened to resign rather than carry out that directive. back with me carl bernstein and john dean. gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us here and continuing to join us here on the program. john, there have been multiple times since june that the president has denied he has considered firing mueller. watch this. >> mr. president, you've sought or thought about, considered leading to the dismissal of special counsel. is there anything bob mueller could do to send you in that direction? >> i haven't given it any thought. i've been reading about it from you people saying oh, i'm going dismiss him. no i'm not dismissing anybody. i want them to get on with the task. but i also want the senate and the house to come out with their findings. >> a quick follow-up on an earlier question to sarah. you discussed the special counsel and the investigation currently. are you considering firing robert mueller? >> no, not at all. >> are you considering firing mueller? >> no, i'm not. >> so, john, his staff and his attorneys also denied it at
least five other times. yet we know now that's not true. >> it is not true. and this all will be used or could be used against him at some point. it's going to come up when he is questioned by mueller, asking him how could he make a public statement that is 180 degrees from the truth when he clearly has evidence that the exact opposite happened. his staff is complicit as well. whether this is sufficient to join a conspiracy to obstruct is not clear, but it's certainly ooh willingness to play along. we need more evidence to see if they actually agreed to conspire. but this is serious stuff, don. and it's a remarkable breaking story because it does show and complete the pattern that we've been seeing. >> yeah. carl, i've got to ask you, and i asked in the tease before the break, did he learn nothing? did he learn nothing from the blowback from firing james comey? has he learned anything over the past year?
>> well, actually, he's been very successful in his own terms, which is to say he acts as if nothing sticks to him. and in fact, very little has. and he, if you talk to the people around him, they will tell you, this is his operating presumption. that if he can get his base riled up about a witch-hunt, that is more important than the lying we just saw, more important than firing mueller or giving pardons. he believes on some level i'm told he can get away with just about anything. and in fact, he has in many regards. and now he has for the last two weeks the republicans on capitol hill tethered to him, tooting a line that is so much in his defense at a moment when they ought to be saying the president of the united states is not above the law. this investigation must go forward. we must find out what happened here.
and instead, mcconnell, ryan, have done nothing to say to their members let our position be we want this investigation to be completed. we support it. let's find out what happened and then we can move on. >> cnn has now confirmed the president ordered the firing of special counsel robert mueller in june. the directive was not followed through. has he realized, john, and maybe people in the white house, maybe they haven't realized because they've never worked there before. many have never held positions in washington that very little remains secret in the white house. you know that. >> that's very true. while they can stay secret for a while, inevitably, they slip out. particularly that was evident going in with this presidency, that he was going to have great trouble with leaks. and it is borne out. one of my earliest tweets about the presidency is how porous it was going to be just watching the campaign. so he's got to assume everything
he does is basically going to be reported at some stage. and he ought to be acting in a way it will not be any problem to be reported. one thing i can say for him, he speaks his mind, which if he was doing this behind closed doors as nixon did, and then it came out, it would be even more devastating. it's pretty devastating coming out the way it is. but at least it's not behind closed doors. does trump know -- does he have to admit to mueller that he tried to fire him when he interviews him in a face-to-face, john? >> well, he is likely to be caught in a lie if he doesn't. mcgahn obviously got the instruction, understood it, realized the implications of it, the criminal implications of it. the conspiratorial. >> it's perjury, right, if he lies? >> well, it depends whether he is under oath. of course he said he would like to be under oath. but it's more likely he'll just be interviewed by mueller with
other aids and other maybe some fbi agents present as well. and there his threat is under 18 usc 1001, which is the false statement statute. you cannot fake false statements to federal official, especially an investigative setting like this. so, yes, he has to tell the truth. >> carl, i want to read more. this is from "the times." this is the president's argument for why mueller should go, okay, why he should be fired. first he claimed that a dispute years ago over fees at trump national golf course in sterling, virginia, had prompted mr. mueller, the fbi director at the time, to resign his membership. the president also said mr. mueller could not be impartial because he had most recently worked for law firm that previously represented the president's son-in-law, jared . finally, the president said mr. mueller had been interviewed to return as fbi director the day before he was appointed special counsel in may. are those legitimate reasons, any of those? >> no.
they're not only not legitimate reasons, they're obviously the product of some, quote, opposition research to find out everything they could about mule mueller that might be some kind of potential conflict of interest. none of them seriously are. what all of this is about is only his -- trump's desire to make this investigation go away. that's what he has been doing for a year, to discredit in everywhere possible, to make sure somehow that his family is not brought into this any further. and now the tentacles of this investigation are around members of his own family. those closest to him in his business organization, in this campaign organization. it doesn't mean that they're going to be found guilty or even indicted. but this investigation has touched and surrounded the people he's closest to. and now himself.
he knows he is in the crosshairs of this, particularly with the obstruction element. and he is still determined, according to those that he talks to somehow find a republicans to find a way to out , make this investigation go away so that he is not further burdened by it. >> do you remember that red line, john dean, that he set back in july when he told "the new york times" they cannot look into my finances. they should not be looking into my finances. that was a month after he tried to fire mueller. >> that's right. and he is no position to draw red lines, or his staff. mueller is going to decide the scope of his investigation. he can always go back to the deputy attorney general who is his superior in this instance because of sessions' recusal and get broader authority if he we understand from testimony before the house judiciary committee by rosenstein that indeed he has done this. he has constantly been in touch
about this investigation. so that red line comment is really meaningless, don. >> and he is looking at those financial aspects. we know this from the lawyers for other people who work at the white house who have been asked questions by mueller's investigators about these specifics having to do with trump organization finances, with jared kushner's finances, with donald trump's finances. he is looking into donald trump's finances, particularly as they relate to russians, russian nationals, possible russian businesses. and why would that be? because if indeed there is some suggestion or evidence of going along with russian efforts to undermine hillary clinton's campaign, there might be a financial component aimed at making the president open to ending these sanctions. >> john, i think it's important.
i want to put this tweet up. this is from walter schwab. before you canonize mcgahn, remember, he pressured sessions not to recuse. i bet his objection was not that firing mueller was wrong, but that it was dangerous. also, this is not the first leak to paint mcgahn in a good light at trump's expense. if i were trump, i would wonder about mcgahn. is he implying that mcgahn could make the same decision that you did with richard nixon and cooperate with investigators? >> well, i don't think he has any choice in this instance. his client is not donald trump. it's the office of the president. he is going to have to respond accordingly. i think walter makes a good point about canonizing the counsel for doing what he is supposed to do. but he obviously i think it also suggests that he saw the peril in this and the potential criminality of it. and that's why he backed off and was wise to do so. and that might be why trump has
also changed his tune and say i look forward to talking that to this guy. he may realize he crossed the line. >> by the way, we're going talk to walter schwab at the top of the next hour. thank you, gentlemen. i appreciate it. thank you so much. when when come back, much more on our breaking news. president trump ordered robert mueller fired last june. the only thing that stopped him, a threat of resignation from the white house counsel. we're going to tell you what sarah sanders said just days ago when asked about the president firing mueller.
yes, yes and yes. and don't forget about them. uh huh, sure. still yes! xfinity delivers gig speed to more homes than anyone. now you can get it, too. welcome to the party. here is the breaking news. a source confirms to cnn tonight that president trump ordered the firing of special counsel robert mueller last june, backing off only after white house counsel don mcgahn threatened to quit. joining me to talk about this now, cnn political analyst ryan lizza, as well as cnn political commentator robby mook and scott jennings. gentlemen, good evening to you. ryan, i want to start with you. the president tried to pull off his own saturday night massacre, except he couldn't. what is your reaction to this? >> well, it is part of a pattern that we've seen now for a year with this investigation, whether it was, you know, demanding loyalty from comey and of course
so that doesn't mean just because he didn't -- it didn't happen, that he didn't try to do it. his intent was to do it. >> i'm not disputing the reporting. but he has actually gone through with other things. i mean, he obviously fired comey. there have been moments where he did things and there have been moments where he didn't do things. i think the interplay there is important context for this conversation tonight. >> robbie? >> he had -- comey, he had someone at the justice department as a sort of fig leaf and an excuse to do it, right? the rosenstein memo. i think he was probably hoping he would get the same thing here where mcgahn would go through it and he could say oh, my white house counsel did it. he said it was fine. >> go ahead, robbie. i know you want to weigh in on this. >> yeah, first of all the fact that the white house is lying about something that happened, that's not news. but this is another big piece in a picture that's been unfolding as ryan was saying. and this investigation has only
this going to be too much and republicans are going to start flaking away. >> do you want to take a crack at that, scott? >> well, i don't think the republican party is going to peel away from the president of the united states based on one article in "the new york times." i think most republicans will watch what mueller does. will see how it plays out, and they'll make decisions from there. we tend to have this conversation after every story. when is the republican party going to move? well, look, they're going to let the process play out, and we don't know anything yet. we don't know yet when the president is going to talk to the counsel. we don't know what charges, if any more are coming. we don't know what the results of this are going to be. and i don't think one story in one news story is going to cause republicans to go running for the hills. if they haven't already, they've decide heard this going to stick with the president until they have seen some real evidence that they've done something wrong here. >> ryan, is it just one story? >> well, no it's obviously the accumulation of stories. and with each of these stories, we get a little bit -- the picture comes into focus a little bit more. but the general pattern is the president of the united states
doing everything he can up until certain lines to shut this investigation down. it seems like the comey firing was so politically disastrous inside the white house. and i think a lot of republicans warned him that doing something similar to mueller would end his presidency. so it does seem that cooler heads prevailed when he ordered mcgahn to do this. if you remember, there were republican voices on the hill when this was being floated this summer, saying don't do that, don't do that. that would be a red line. so firing mueller has for a lot of republicans, it has always been the red line. and it looked like trump couldn't figure out a way that he could pull the trigger on firing him without it being his direct decision. i think it's very interesting that the president wouldn't do it himself. he wanted his white house counsel to do it, but he wouldn't do it himself. for some reason he was scared. >> i have to ask you this,
because anthony scaramucci, you know a little bit about anthony scaramucci. he seemed to try to pin the blame for this story coming out on steve bannon. that was a short time ago. he spoke with chris. listen. >> i find it very ironic that this information is coming out while he is here in davos, while he's had great fanfare. so, you know, you and me, i would love to get a look at somebody like steve bannon's phone records to see who he is talking to and how this information is out there. second thing i will say is that the president talks to everybody. and so this information apparently happened in june. why it is coming out right now like a big water balloon on the president when he is having a fantastic trip here in davos, meeting with world leaders? >> ryan, how do i don't think the news tonight is going to reverberate in trump world, or is reverberating? that won't be the only finger-pointing going on, will it? >> yeah, i'm sure like anthony, i'm sure there will be a lot of people in the white house trying
to figure out who leaked this. if i remember correctly"the times" had four sources, and other news organizations have now confirmed this as well. look, scaramucci has had a long running feud with steve bannon. and steve a sort of easy scapegoat because he is outside of the white house. he obviously is unhappy with how he was treated there. but just to clear up what he said, there is no evidence, of course, that bannon did this. i think this is just scaramucci trying to point the finger at a sort of the current trump enemy. >> robby, not to give you short shrift, but sarah sanders has been standing at the podium denying this, also saying the president is a looking forward to speaking to the special counsel, and so on. but it seems some of the answer given over the past -- i guess over the past year really have been disingenuous to say the least. >> yeah, but the sky is blue. these guys have lied about
things every single day on his campaign, and now as president. that's not surprising. you know, what is also not surprising, frankly, is the double standard here. i think this is another example where donald trump, for whatever reason appears to get away with things that nobody else can. we obviously had the scandal about him paying a woman off. and we're looking at other elected officials. congressman pat meehan was removed from the ethics committee immediately when allegations came out and evidence came out against him. but donald trump, it just seems to bounce off him. and it's because -- it's ironic the sheer volume of scandal, the sheer variety of scandal means that nothing ever sticks. and i'm sure we're going to be talking about something outages he says at davos tomorrow. but mueller's investigation means this will culminate at some point. and i really think some republicans are going to regret how cozy they got with him and
how hard they defended him when there was no evidence with which to defend him. >> gentlemen, thank you so much. i appreciate your time. >> thanks, don. >> we've got much more to come on our breaking news that president trump ordered robert mueller fired last june, and his white house counsel threatened to quit rather than carry out that order. we'll be right back. new year, new phones for the family. join t-mobile, and when you buy one of the latest samsung galaxy phones get a samsung galaxy s8 free. yahoooo! ahoooo! plus, unlimited family plans come with netflix included. spectacular! so, you can watch all your netflix favorites on your new samsung phones. whoa! join the un-carrier and get a samsung galaxy s8 free. all on america's best unlimited network.
opportunity to go after steve bannon, no matter what the issue is. bannon is a convenient target. he made himself that. could bannon be one of the four people that perhaps talked to maggie? very much so, sure. >> does that really matter? >> no, of course it doesn't matter, because it's true. >> but i think it may matter in one respect. i sort of look at don mcgahn and wonder, you know, the story puts him in a very positive light. why now is the story coming out? we've learned recently in this week we've learned jeff sessions was interviewed by the special counsel's office. other intelligence leaders -- it's been reported recently that they too have been interviewed. there are other reports that show that this obstruction of justice element of the investigation has moved forward, is moving forward. and so i wonder if the president isn't maybe returning to this idea now as the investigation intensifies, returning to the idea of getting rid of mueller. and this isn't somebody leaking to stop that. >> oh my god, if he did, that really. >> you think people are concerned possibly that he might try to fire him from the white house?
>> leaks happen often for a reason. sometimes it's just interpersonal battles like he is suggesting. but sometimes there are bigger reasons. i just wonder about that. this story paints mcgahn in a very positive light, but it also makes it much more difficult for the president to make a move on mcgahn. >> mcgahn, bannon and priebus all share the same lawyer. i think mcgahn is like pinto from the movie -- remember the movie with belushi, "animal house." the angel and the devil. i think he was the angel in the voice of trump who might have had the impulse to say enough of this. >> what does that make trump? [ laughter ] but i think, look, his initial reaction is let's just get rid of this guy. but since then, since he was talked into not doing it, if that's what happened, this investigation has continued on for months and months and months.
and it will culminate in a few weeks if trump meets with the special prosecutor. so i don't think they're leaking this to fire him. i think that's well past that. >> that's coming out? >> i don't know why. i have no idea why it's been leaked now. >> let me just say, this whole conversation, and the conversation yesterday about the secret society and nunes memo, the nunes memo. all of it is part of an arc to try to discredit law enforcement, in this case the department of justice. and for those of us who worked in the department of justice, or at least the fbi's got 35,000 people who work there. if trump -- trump was so upset that he wanted to fire mueller, if that didn't happen, he is going to discredit. one way or another he is going to try to undermine and get rid of this investigation. and by doing so, undermining the rule of law. this is why republicans -- i know that he's got an 80% base. but the republicans in congress,
leaders in congress should step up and stay this is not who we are as a nation. put your country before your -- >> how many times, governor have, you said that and other people said that? i don't think it's going to happen. >> there are only so many institutions you undermine. really, how machiavellian can you be to put this, the ends justify the means? we don't care which institutions of this country we're going haul under, including the fbi, including the department of justice, including anything that gets in his way to be able to be clear of this investigation. >> this is the republicans' best vehicle. and the least they can say -- >> the best vehicle is what? >> to get whatever legislation or agenda -- >> oh, i see. . it's an ends justifies the means is what you're saying. >> yes. >> back to roy moore. let's put him in. >> that's the same thing. i asked the evangelicals. the ends justify the means. go on. >> that is horrifying. >> can we rewind the tape back to october before the election? harry reid was throwing firebombs at the fbi. harry reid was saying that the
institution is corrupt and that they might have broken federal law when it was against hillary clinton at that time. so now the tables are concerned. all of the sudden the dialogue is change. both parties have attacked the fbi. both parties have attacked. >> that may be the case. but what we see happening now from trump's loyalists in congress is an unprecedented in modern times attack by congress on our institutions, on our law enforcement. and i have to say there is a reason why this is happening. the republicans could have opposed trump. republican members of congress could have opposed trump in the primaries. many of them remain silent. he won 47% of the republican primary vote. he was weaker then than he is now. now he's got about 85% approval. if they didn't do it then, they're not going to do it now. now they are stuck. and they are the party of government. and they have no one to blame. and so they've got to come up with these conspiracy theories
that unfortunately are eroding public confidence. >> i think that's why most people will disagree with you. because where democrats may have been upset with comey during the investigation, during the election, they said comey did it wrong. they said they had respect for comey. they did not have an orchestrated attack on the institution of the fbi. this has been an orchestrated attack on the fbi and on law enforcement in general from republicans, including conspiracy theories. that didn't happen with democrats. >> i don't think so. >> and mueller and comey are both republicans. >> i don't think it's the top of the fbi is who they are going after. not that the men and women that do the everyday job. i don't think that's who they were attacking. i think they were attack -- >> so people who they're talking about in e-mails and what have you. >> well, but they were higher level. you're stalking about struck and that whole thing? >> 35,000. >> they were talking 35,000 fbi agents. they're attacking the top and the intent of those two.
>> they're attacking the institution. and the two people they're putting a broad brush against it. and now it's infecting what would be normal republicans. like ron johnson. i feel like he had a tin foil hat on yesterday as he was drooling at the thought of a secret society. it turns out he was embarrassed. >> hold your thought. we'll be right back. we'll continue this conversation. don't go anywhere. it's absolute confidence in 30,000 precision parts. or it isn't. it's inspected by mercedes-benz factory-trained technicians. or it isn't. it's backed by an unlimited mileage warranty, or it isn't. for those who never settle, it's either mercedes-benz certified pre-owned, or it isn't. the mercedes-benz certified pre-owned sales event. now through february 28th. only at your authorized mercedes-benz dealer.
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breitbart. that's become the new normal in the republican party. >> the crazy thing is that all day yesterday, fox news was all over this secret society thing. and other than one anchor today they didn't say one word. >> shepard smith. >> exactly. because they've been embarrassed. but who is the biggest proponent of these kind of conspiracy theories? it's like sean hannity, et cetera, who are out there taking pages from breitbart, from info wars, et cetera. that should be frightening to everybody. because you've got a president who had the whole conspiracy thing down pat with barack obama and born in kenya, you know, ted cruz's father. >> on the grassy knoll. >> and now it's infected the mainstream republican party. and that is such a shame. >> how does one have any credibility, especially when you mention that with any journalist when you had a grassy knoll conspiracy.
when you're the perpetrator of the president not being born, of a birther. how does one have any credibility when it comes to anything? >> i would say we're post facts. the game now is about -- >> i refuse to go along with this. >> we can't allow it. >> let me read your tweet you. you said, and you tweeted this a short while ago. you said for trump to have ordered mueller fired, even when the public backlash over comey's firing was still intense shows just how bent on impeding the russia investigation he was, and just how much he apparently has to hide. what do you think the president has to hide? >> well, i think that the president and his team at least encouraged, if not were more involved in russia's efforts to influence our election. we'll see what happens. i think he's probably got something to hide with regard to his business dealings with russian intelligence and russian mafia figures prior to the
election. and i think also he's got a lot to hide with obstruction of justice now. he's got plenty to hide. we'll see what happens with this investigation. but to think just a month after he fired comey, when there was still so much backlash, that he then ordered the firing of mueller. that tells you. that tells you quite a lot about what lengths he is willing to go to, even when there is plenty of public opposition. >> rob, quickly. >> but everyone has already hung the president. he is already guilty, right? we haven't seen one ounce -- >> no one has said guilty here. >> that's the implication here. it's obstruction of justice. [ overlapping dialog ] >> the implication -- >> tried to fire mueller. >> the implication -- >> fire comey. if he's got nothing to hide. >> he talked to his lawyer. >> he gave the order. >> it didn't happen. >> the reason it didn't happen is because -- >> the pr backlash. come on. >> i got run. i got to run. thank you all. >> nice try. >> fascinating conversation. i appreciate having you.
when we come back, president trump ordered the firing of robert mueller back in june, only backing off when the white house counsel threatened to resign instead of following the president's instructions. is this proof that the president is trying to obstruct justice, or our experts will weigh in, i should say. we'll be right back. not in this house. 'cause that's no average family. that's your family. which is why you didn't grab just any cheese. you picked up kraft mozzarella with a touch of philadelphia for lasanyeah! kraft. family greatly.
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