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some of our offices were looted. also some of the warehouses of our partner sudanese red crescent society. so it is a volatile and difficult situation to operate in. with more on this here is opheera mcdoom — a formerjournalist who headed the reuters office in khartoum. she founded a school in sudan in 2012. thank you for coming on the programme. you are in contact with people. programme. you are in contact with --eole. ~ . , ., , people. what is the latest? the breakdown _ people. what is the latest? the breakdown in _ people. what is the latest? the breakdown in law _ people. what is the latest? the breakdown in law and _ people. what is the latest? the breakdown in law and order - people. what is the latest? the breakdown in law and order is l people. what is the latest? the - breakdown in law and order is almost everywhere. we have seen pictures of what appears to be civilians looting bank branches. the national museum was looted of artefacts. and shops are running low of stock. people's salaries were due to be paid today and they do not have money. so people are in a difficult situation on the ground.—
people are in a difficult situation on the ground. what about ordinary thins of on the ground. what about ordinary things of ordinary _ on the ground. what about ordinary things of ordinary life, _ on the ground. what about ordinary things of ordinary life, orphanages. | things of ordinary life, orphanages. i know you are in touch with people there. this is the kind of situation that disrupts crucial work. the main orhana . e that disrupts crucial work. the main orphanage with _ that disrupts crucial work. the main orphanage with 300 _ that disrupts crucial work. the main orphanage with 300 children, - that disrupts crucial work. the main orphanage with 300 children, 160 i orphanage with 300 children, 160 babies. imagine how many it takes to keep them alive. so many died at the beginning. even now, people are coming from their homes to help people in the orphanages keep them alive. we have an activist friend posting every day. when a baby does not die, this is a good day. that posting every day. when a baby does not die, this is a good day.— not die, this is a good day. that is one example _ not die, this is a good day. that is one example and _ not die, this is a good day. that is one example and we _ not die, this is a good day. that is one example and we appreciate i not die, this is a good day. that is i one example and we appreciate you talking us through that because you are in minute by minute contact with everyone you normally live around and they are sending updates. but this is a situation where fighting is intense, but not a case where it is intense, but not a case where it is everywhere all at the same time. there is a way to try to navigate
it is a difficult situation on the ground. people are trying to set up networks to support each other so those outside of khartoum are able to buy electricity and send it to those in khartoum who cannot move around and are holed up in their houses. we have networks from brave people who stayed just to try to support families who need water, electricity, medicine. so we send on the need and they go out and risk their lives to deliver medicine, food and water to those who need it who cannot move from their houses. the sudanese people are an amazing people but this is a different level. they are used to gunshots but no one can be used to fighterjets, bombing, anti—aircraft right next to you. bombing, anti-aircraft right next to ou. ., . bombing, anti-aircraft right next to oh. ., ., , . bombing, anti-aircraft right next to ou. ., ., ,. ., bombing, anti-aircraft right next to ou. ., ., ,. ~ you. you have painted such a stark icture. you. you have painted such a stark picture- we — you. you have painted such a stark picture. we appreciate _ you. you have painted such a stark picture. we appreciate you - you. you have painted such a stark picture. we appreciate you coming| you. you have painted such a stark i picture. we appreciate you coming on and telling us about it.
situation on the ground. this is khartoum. air strikes have continued despite the ceasefire. the army said it had been attacking the city to flush out effectively paramilitary rivals the rapid support forces. 500 deaths have been reported and the actualfigure deaths have been reported and the actual figure believed to deaths have been reported and the actualfigure believed to be higher. we will not get official counts for while. millions more people are trapped in khartoum. we can look now at evacuations that have been ongoing. us nationals, overto at evacuations that have been ongoing. us nationals, over to port sudan, a majorfocus of ongoing. us nationals, over to port sudan, a major focus of evacuation efforts. aid, the first major aid flight with medical supplies has arrived. eight tonnes of relief
who cannot go, cannot afford to go. they do not have security. elderly parents who do not have people to help them move around. i had a family stuck in the building surrounded by snipers. the sister had back surgery and could not move. to try to get them out was a major operation. we are coordinating with heroic people risking their lives to help others on the ground to get to safety. we got them to safety yesterday. it was quite an operation. they were scared and everyone is terrified. you operation. they were scared and everyone is terrified.— everyone is terrified. you had a colleague _ everyone is terrified. you had a colleague and _ everyone is terrified. you had a colleague and friend _ everyone is terrified. you had a colleague and friend in - everyone is terrified. you had a colleague and friend in the - everyone is terrified. you had a l colleague and friend in the region send a photograph this morning of what they were witnessing. talk send a photograph this morning of what they were witnessing.- what they were witnessing. talk is throu . h what they were witnessing. talk is through that- _ what they were witnessing. talk is through that. a _ what they were witnessing. talk is through that. a number _ what they were witnessing. talk is through that. a number of - what they were witnessing. talk is through that. a number of friends | through that. a number of friends have reported fighting all over khartoum, in the west, north, and in 0mdurman. and there has been heavy bombing in the north of khartoum.
him. i don't remember if! started ellin: at him. i don't remember if! started yelling at him _ him. i don't remember if! started yelling at him while _ him. i don't remember if! started yelling at him while i _ him. i don't remember if! started yelling at him while i was - him. i don't remember if! started yelling at him while i was on the l yelling at him while i was on the ground — yelling at him while i was on the ground i— yelling at him while i was on the ground. i remember pushing away because _ ground. i remember pushing away because i— ground. i remember pushing away because i was very upset and it was still very— because i was very upset and it was still very strange to me what had happened. and i pushed down the hill and i turned around and i yelled at hint _ and i turned around and i yelled at him. , , ., and i turned around and i yelled at him. ,. . , ., and i turned around and i yelled at him. ,. . ,., him. did you scream before you went down? i him. did you scream before you went down? i don't — him. did you scream before you went down? i don't think _ him. did you scream before you went down? i don't think so. _ him. did you scream before you went down? i don't think so. 0k. - him. did you scream before you went down? i don't think so. ok. so, - down? i don't think so. ok. so, if others heard _ down? i don't think so. ok. so, if others heard a _ down? i don't think so. ok. so, if others heard a scream, _ down? i don't think so. ok. so, if others heard a scream, that - down? i don't think so. ok. so, if. others heard a scream, that wasn't you? others heard a scream, that wasn't ou? ., ., ~ others heard a scream, that wasn't ou? ., ., . , you? know, i froze. when he slid in between my — you? know, i froze. when he slid in between my skis, _ you? know, i froze. when he slid in between my skis, i _ you? know, i froze. when he slid in between my skis, i absolutely - you? know, i froze. when he slid in| between my skis, i absolutely froze, and i_ between my skis, i absolutely froze, and i don't _ between my skis, i absolutely froze, and i don't remember yelling or screaming — and i don't remember yelling or screaming until i was very angry at what _ screaming until i was very angry at what had _ screaming until i was very angry at what had happened. so, screaming until i was very angry at what had happened.— screaming until i was very angry at what had happened. so, you guys were on the ground. — what had happened. so, you guys were on the ground, and _ what had happened. so, you guys were on the ground, and then _ what had happened. so, you guys were on the ground, and then you _ what had happened. so, you guys were on the ground, and then you said - what had happened. so, you guys were on the ground, and then you said to - on the ground, and then you said to him, you don't know if you were up first on the ground, but he was still on the ground.— first on the ground, but he was still on the ground. yes. and you said, still on the ground. yes. and you said. what _ still on the ground. yes. and you said, what are _ still on the ground. yes. and you said, what are you _ still on the ground. yes. and you
said, what are you doing, why did you do that? and he said, i think you do that? and he said, i think you skied into me. and that's when you skied into me. and that's when you were furious and said, "you skied directly into my thing back." at the top of your lungs doubly i did, i apologise for my language. —— effing. you were worried that moses was hearing you. after you were screaming to you, isn't that when mr sanderson said he was sorry? he said he skied directly _ sanderson said he was sorry? he said he skied directly into _ sanderson said he was sorry? he said he skied directly into my _ sanderson said he was sorry? he said he skied directly into my effing - he skied directly into my effing back, _ he skied directly into my effing back, and _ he skied directly into my effing back, and he said sorry. and that was ou back, and he said sorry. and that was you screaming _ back, and he said sorry. and that was you screaming at _ back, and he said sorry. and that was you screaming at him - back, and he said sorry. and that was you screaming at him while i was you screaming at him while he was you screaming at him while he was on the ground still, right? i was on the ground still, right? i was on the ground still, right? i was yelling at him. pretty - was on the ground still, right? i j was yelling at him. pretty loud? was on the ground still, right? i l was yelling at him. pretty loud? i was yelling at him. pretty loud? i was pretty _ was yelling at him. pretty loud? i was pretty upset. you're - was yelling at him. pretty loud? i was pretty upset. you're small. was pretty upset. you're small but miah ! was pretty upset. you're small but mighty! you're _ was pretty upset. you're small but mighty! you're not _ was pretty upset. you're small but mighty! you're not that _ was pretty upset. you're small but mighty! you're not that small. - was pretty upset. you're small but l
would've come through because then i noticed _ would've come through because then i noticed his _ would've come through because then i noticed his body pressing against my back, _ noticed his body pressing against my back, and _ noticed his body pressing against my back, and it — noticed his body pressing against my back, and it was probably a few good seconds, _ back, and it was probably a few good seconds, then we fell to the right, somebody must've caught an edge. gall 0k. _ somebody must've caught an edge. gall ok. so — somebody must've caught an edge. gall ok, so you guys are— gall ok, so you guys are frozen, i think ou gall ok, so you guys are frozen, i think you said _ gall ok, so you guys are frozen, i think you said at _ gall ok, so you guys are frozen, i think you said at one _ gall ok, so you guys are frozen, i think you said at one point - gall ok, so you guys are frozen, i think you said at one point it - gall ok, so you guys are frozen, i think you said at one point it was| think you said at one point it was like you were spooning?- think you said at one point it was like you were spooning? when we fell down, we like you were spooning? when we fell down. we fell. — like you were spooning? when we fell down. we fell. i— like you were spooning? when we fell down, we fell, i fell— like you were spooning? when we fell down, we fell, i fell on _ like you were spooning? when we fell down, we fell, i fell on his— like you were spooning? when we fell down, we fell, i fell on his body, - down, we fell, i fell on his body, he fell— down, we fell, i fell on his body, he fell on — down, we fell, i fell on his body, he fell on the ground, so it was kind _ he fell on the ground, so it was kind of— he fell on the ground, so it was kind of like _ he fell on the ground, so it was kind of like a spoon on the ground. 0k~~ _ kind of like a spoon on the ground. 0k~~ |_ kind of like a spoon on the ground. 0k. .. 4' kind of like a spoon on the ground. 0k. .. ~ �* , kind of like a spoon on the ground. 0k- - -— 0k- - kind of like a spoon on the ground. 0k...— 0k. now- 0k... ithink it's fine. 0k. now that mr 0k. .. i think it's fine. 0k. now that mr sanderson _ 0k. .. i think it's fine. 0k. now that mr sanderson is _ 0k... ithink it's fine. 0k. now that mr sanderson is here, - 0k... ithink it's fine. 0k. nowi that mr sanderson is here, and 0k... ithink it's fine. 0k. now. that mr sanderson is here, and i don't need to do anything, terry, butjust for don't need to do anything, terry, but just for comparison�*s say, don't need to do anything, terry, butjust for comparison�*s say, i'm but just for comparison�*s say, i'm in butjust for comparison�*s say, i'm in my heels. tell me i'm taller,
simultaneous. idon't remember. but ou did simultaneous. i don't remember. you did fault simultaneous. i don't remember. emit you did fault and hit the ground. i you did fault and hit the ground. i don't remember exactly where i hit, but i don't remember exactly where i hit, but i felt— don't remember exactly where i hit, but i fell over with mr sanderson. and mr_ but i fell over with mr sanderson. and mr sanderson fell and hit the ground? and mr sanderson fell and hit the round? . all right, going back here, you guys are on the ground. you realise that this was in any way, shape or form this was in any way, shape or form this is a sexual assault. i this was in any way, shape or form this is a sexual assault.— this is a sexual assault. i am not sa in: this is a sexual assault. i am not saying that- _ this is a sexual assault. i am not saying that- i'm _ this is a sexual assault. i am not saying that. i'm just _ this is a sexual assault. i am not saying that. i'm just saying - this is a sexual assault. i am not saying that. i'm just saying what j saying that. i'm just saying what went _ saying that. i'm just saying what went through my mind what was happening. went through my mind what was ha eninu. . . went through my mind what was happening-— went through my mind what was haueninu. . . j ., ., happening. great. you're down on the round and happening. great. you're down on the ground and you started _ happening. great. you're down on the ground and you started yelling - happening. great. you're down on the ground and you started yelling at - ground and you started yelling at him. i ground and you started yelling at him. ., �* , , .
believe i was a. you didn't ski down a little _ believe i was a. you didn't ski down a little bit — believe i was a. you didn't ski down a little bit i— believe i was a. you didn't ski down a little bit. i might have, my son was down — a little bit. i might have, my son was down a _ a little bit. i might have, my son was down a little bit and my now husband — was down a little bit and my now husband came over at some point. i remember— husband came over at some point. i remember moving away from mr sanderson after he collided into me and hit _ sanderson after he collided into me and hit the — sanderson after he collided into me and hit the ground. and sanderson after he collided into me and hit the ground.— and hit the ground. and do you remember... _ and hit the ground. and do you remember... we _ and hit the ground. and do you remember... we heard - and hit the ground. and do you remember... we heard from i and hit the ground. and do you i remember... we heard from craig ramon, the first individual who testified. do you remember him coming to the scene? i do testified. do you remember him coming to the scene?— testified. do you remember him i coming to the scene?- not coming to the scene? i do not. not at all? known. _ coming to the scene? i do not. not at all? known. you _ coming to the scene? i do not. not at all? known. you don't _ coming to the scene? i do not. not| at all? known. you don't remember him bein: at all? known. you don't remember him being here _ at all? known. you don't remember him being here or— at all? known. you don't remember him being here or asking _ at all? known. you don't remember him being here or asking if- at all? known. you don't remember him being here or asking if you i him being here or asking if you are ok? i him being here or asking if you are ok? ., ., you him being here or asking if you are 0k?- you don't _ him being here or asking if you arej 0k?- you don't remember him being here or asking if you are i 0k?- you don't remember him ok? i do not. you don't remember him askin: ok? i do not. you don't remember him asking terry — ok? i do not. you don't remember him asking terry if — ok? i do not. you don't remember him asking terry if he _ ok? i do not. you don't remember him asking terry if he was _ ok? i do not. you don't remember him asking terry if he was ok? _ ok? i do not. you don't remember him asking terry if he was ok? i _ ok? i do not. you don't remember him asking terry if he was ok? i don't i asking terry if he was ok? i don't recall. asking terry if he was ok? i don't recall- all — asking terry if he was ok? i don't recall. all right. _ asking terry if he was ok? i don't recall. all right. and _ asking terry if he was ok? i don't recall. all right. and then, - asking terry if he was ok? i don't recall. all right. and then, i i asking terry if he was ok? i don't recall. all right. and then, i think what you've _ recall. all right. and then, i think what you've said _ recall. all right. and then, i think what you've said is _ recall. all right. and then, i think what you've said is eric _ recall. all right. and then, i think what you've said is eric told i what you've said is eric told you, "i'm going to handle this." that's what i think you said people do, they handle things for you. i