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If we did that, we would not just shoot down russian planes, we have to attack the s 400 anti aircraft missiles, just across inside russia. wed have to engage russian ground units who then fired on our core aircraft. it would clearly lead to direct war with russia. >> and tom, thats the part that no one whos advocating the so-called no-fly zone ever addresses. >> yeah, there is more to a no-fly zone and simply shooting down bad guys who might be bothering good guys. you dont put your pilots in t...

Refugees who are out, or the hundreds of thousands displaced, but millions of ukrainians right now are under active attack, living in basements trying to survive, running out of food, turning off the electrical grid so its a humanitarian disaster of the first order. when you move to the no-fly zone debate, i think to be blunt, its irresponsible to push president biden and nato to carry out that action. militarily, we could do it. the u.s. air force cannot be competed with running an air cap over...

Performance will russian air force which is not been a major part of this fight. i would have to say, i was shocked. i assume theyll go after the ukrainian air force. but, two thirds of the ukrainian air force is still flying against supposedly a superpower. i still think the big problem for the ukrainians is a stepping fired from the ground, at ground units, and civilians rather than whats coming from fighter jets or fighter-bombers. >> charles, to bring you into this. whether or not it is the ...

Germany. if we did that, we would not just shoot down russian planes, we have to attack the s 400 anti aircraft missiles, just across inside russia. wed have to engage russian ground units who then fired on our core aircraft. it would clearly lead to direct war with russia. >> and tom, thats the part that no one whos advocating the so-called no-fly zone ever addresses. >> yeah, there is more to a no-fly zone and simply shooting down bad guys who might be bothering could guess. you dont put your ...

Catastrophe of the humanitarian disaster, in ukraine. this would have been the nato, or usc, unilateral, air intervention. not with some nonsense about no-fly zones over a humanitarian corridor, but to go after the russian air force, and go after the ground units. i dont think that president biden thinks that is feasible, politically, and a military perspective. the u.s. armed forces, and nato, in particular, could do that. i dont think that is going to happen. we are going to have a very horrib...

Children and women. >> charles, i want to ask that question. given what you seen, do you agree with this? that jets would allow them to stop the slaughter? >> the problem is most of the damage being done is by units from the ground. they are getting hit by missiles and artillery. i dont want a second guess the ukrainian parliament are presidents and look for. they want these jets first to keep their skies clear. as a symbol of commitment. commitment from the west to get those jets to them. in te...

The colonel said for a conflict to go on for weeks, months, years? >> yeah. i think it has surprised a lot of western analysts. you heard from american officials that the russians could be in kyiv in two days and then control a lot of the country but that wasnt the case. and i think we overestimated and vladimir putin did the capacity out russian military and the air war is a great example of that. we wouldnt go to an invasion without controlling the air space first. first control the air space....

This would have been the nato, or usc, unilateral, air intervention. not with some nonsense about no-fly zones over a humanitarian corridor, but to go after the russian air force, and go after the ground units. i dont think that president biden thinks that is feasible, politically, and a military perspective. the u.s. armed forces, and nato, in particular, could do that. i dont think that is going to happen. we are going to have a very horrible situation, that is getting worse, rapidly. >> presi...

Of this offensive. now, the deliberate piece of this that secretary austin talked about. that is the belief that they will -- the russians will learn from their mistakes. a couple of major ones. one was logistics. we heard a lot about that for weeks, that they couldnt feed and provide fuel to their troops. the concern is that they will learn from that and they will figure that out for the next line of offense here. another one is their command and control and their communications. and a simple w...

0 to see this entirely different set of arguments played around the same set of facts in this case. thank you for covering it, and thank you for being with us for the hour. chuck will be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily." katy tur has more news now. >> in a facebook post, february 16th, we were told will be the day of the attack, and we will make it a day of unity. we will hang national flags, wear blue and yellow ribbons and show our unity. again, this is from president zelensky,...