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shocking numbers. more than 10,000 people tested positive in that state once again just today. and globally the number of new coronavirus infections, confirmed infections is also dramatically on the rise. the world health organization reporting today more than a quarter million new confirmed cases worldwide. as i just said, shocking lehigh numbers of new coronavirus cases being reported in texas. the mayor of san antonio is joining us right now. mayor, i know you've got a lot going on. five straight days of 10,000 new cases or more statewide in texas. why are things so apparently out of control right now? >> well, wolf, thanks for having me. you know, the trend continues in texas where we're seeing a dramatic acceleration of cases, not just in the urban communities but also in the rural areas. and the combination is making for a lot of stress on our hospitals and every part of it from the beds on the floor to the icus to the ventilators and then, of course, end of life. even in the morgue. so we're in a serious situation here. as we load balance the hospital, it's putting stress on every other part of the medical system that treats people even for non-covid. >> you and i have spoken before and you've called it a perfect storm since around memorial day. governor abbott of texas did reverse himself and order most of texas to wear a mask starting at the beginning of this month. do you see that making any difference, at least so far? >> you know, we're beginning to see a little bit of a slowdown in the hospitalization rate, but unfortunately a lot of what has been done is baked in because we're also seeing at the same time a rise in the severity of cases. and that's really at all levels and all ages and all demographics. even with otherwise apparently healthy people. i noted the other day that a good 30% of our hospital admissions now are people who have no other underlying health conditions, and even the mortality as well. we're even seeing pediatric patients who the majority of do not have any underlying health conditions. so the severity is rising at the same time we're seeing a slowdown in the hospitalization rate. >> the governor of texas is refusing to budge on ordering another shutdown in the state. let me play what he said. listen to this. >> people are panicking, thinking i'm about to shut down texas again. the answer is no, that is not the goal. i've been abundantly clear. i've been saying exactly what the head of cdc said today. what the head of cdc said today, if everyone can adopt the practice of wearing a face mask for the next four weeks, we will be able to get covid-19 under control. >> i'm anxious to get your reaction. what will that approach mean, let's say in the weeks ahead for the folks in san antonio? >> it still means there's a tremendous amount of mixed messaging that's happening. without proper state and federal support and a clear message about what we need to do to slow this thing down, we're given the choice between, you know, letting people get sick or letting people starve. this is a false choice. we all need to get back to the health professionals' guidance, which is wear masks and limit social gatherings, limit mass gatherings indoors, and eliminate all of these exceptions that you can drive a truck through. if we're able to do that, we can start to slowly get back to life again. but right now it's a myriad of messages that comes from the state and federal government that gets people to think what should i believe and creates this kind of environment where people let their guard down. >> mayor, would you try to force another stay-at-home order or shutdown in your city? >> you know, the epidemiologists and public health professionals that i talk to on a daily basis are concerned that a shutdown won't actually change what's going on. what we're seeing more and more of are cases that are going from house to house with extended family gatherings and dinner parties in people's homes. so we're asking for a rollback, very targeted. reduce or eliminate the exceptions to mass gatherings and other social gatherings. reduce the amount of interaction that we're having and be very clear about the guidance with regard to physical distancing and enforcement of the mask orders. right now there is an opt-out of this mask order that's happening all across this state. so we need to get back to the proper health guidance. if we can do that together, we can slow it down of the right now there's too much of a mishmash of enforcement and regulation throughout our state. >> and that's a real problem. mayor nirenberg of san antonio, you've got a great city. good luck to everyone in your city. good luck to everyone in texas. i know you're all going through some very, very tough times. thanks for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. now to some new reporting today about what's going on inside the white house when the country was largely shut down and the president was very eager to get the economy up and moving again. cnn's jeremy diamond is joining us from the white house right now. jeremy, there's some new reporting from "the new york times" today, a very lengthy report. what did their investigation find out? >> reporter: well, wolf, so much of what we are seeing today in terms of the surging coronavirus cases across the united states can be traced back to what trump was doing in mid-april, and that is encouraging the country to reopen, putting pressure on governors to reopen their economies, some of them before they had even hit the benchmarks laid out by the white house itself. buts athe president was making that decision, white house officials were discussing whether or not it was prudent to move forward with this reopening. "the new york times" is showing that dr. deborah birx, the white house coronavirus coordinator, she was actually a central voice in terms of this decision to focus on reopening. in large part it appears because she was overly optimistic about some of the modeling they were seeing about the trajectory of coronavirus in the united states, believing that the u.s. would be -- follow the similar trajectory to italy, meaning a very rapid peak and then cases coming down. instead, the united states saw a much higher plateau and now this latest surge in coronavirus cases. now, according to "the times," they actually call her the chief evangelicalist. one of the things they may have underestimated is the extent to which the president focused on reopening rather than mitigation measures may have contributed to what we saw across the united states, which was governors and also many americans relaxing some of their mitigation efforts. now, of course dr. birx is just one of the players in all of this decision-making, and we should note, wolf, that the president in recent weeks even as it has become clear that the trajectory has not followed that path that was initially projected, he has continued to focus on downplaying this threat, saying recently that 99% of coronavirus cases were harmless. even today in an excerpt of an interview that the president is doing, he's contradicting the cdc, going against this idea that if all americans wore masks for the next four to eight weeks, coronavirus could go away or certainly be mitigated. the president even today going against that idea. wolf. >> you know, it's interesting because we're just getting word now, and i know you've got some new information that the commerce secretary, wilbur ross, has been hospitalized. what do we know? >> reporter: that's right, wolf. a commerce department spokesperson confirming to me that wilbur ross has indeed been hospitalized. the spokesperson is saying that it was for minor noncoronavirus-related issues. the spokesperson also said that ross, who is 82 years old, is doing well and that they hope he will be released from the hospital soon. we have asked for more details. so far the commerce department has been unwilling to provide those, but certainly we wish the commerce secretary well for whatever recovery he is dealing with here. wolf. >> we certainly do. we hope he is released from the hospital quickly and has a speedy, speedy recovery. thanks very much. jeremy diamond reporting from the white house. we'll have more on the pandemic in just a moment, but first we should note the passing of an american giant. john lewis died yesterday at the ang of yapgt age of 80 years old. he was one of the most important civil rights leaders of our time and a congressman who served in the house of representatives for 33 years. i was fortunate to have spoken with him here in the situation room on several occasions. i'm going to share one of those moments with you later this hour here in the situation room. much more on this coming up. also new tonight, the cdc releasing new guidelines for those who have tested positive for the coronavirus and how they should be isolating. our medical panel is standing by to break it all down. we'll be right back. 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what's the bottom line? >> well, look, the bottom line is that if you have symptoms, stay away from folks. we're starting to get a better picture of just how long people may be shedding virus after their symptoms are subsiding. what the cdc is giving us is a better sense of the calipers around when that period is. but the same points that the public should understand remain clear. number one, everybody ought to be masking and staying socially distant because you may not know that you're spreading it even before you have symptoms or after symptoms. but after the symptoms subside, we have a better sense then of when you can assume that you're not shedding virus. this is what the cdc is explaining to the public. >> people who are totally asymptomatic may not even know they have coronavirus. they can easily spread it to their parents, their gra grandparents, or strangers on the street if they don't wear masks. the cdc also had guidelines for people that should weight 10 days after the first positive test or two tests taken more than 24 hours apart come back negative. do we have any indication at all of how many people might be asymptomatic, completely without symptoms, but still able to spread this potentially deadly disease? >> wolf, this is one of the big questions that we're exploring right now within public health and medicine. just to break it down, what asymptomatic means is that you have no symptoms. no sore throat, no fever, no cough, no fatigue, nothing. there's also mildly symptomatic and presymptomatic, which means it's a day or two before you're going to develop symptoms. depending on how it's measured, studies say anywhere from 15% to 50% of people who are infected may be asymptomatic. what that means for you and me is two things. first, as dr. el-sayed said, it is critically important for all of us to behave as if anyone we're around could be infected and asymptomatic. that's why that mask wearing and physical distancing is critical, no matter how much you trust a person. the second place that it really matters is around testing, because if we're only testing symptomatic people, it means we're missing the folks who are super spreaders. there have been a bunch of reports in the news about those asymptomatic people sickening whole churches or choirs. and so as we move forward in this pandemic, we have to start thinking about having enough tests to test for asymptomatic people who may be spreading the virus. >> dr. el-sayed the guide relies on testing but unfortunately it's still so hard for a lot of people to get tested and get results back in a timely fashion, within let's say two or three days. some folks have to wait a week, ten days. how useful is that information and why are we still lagging so far behind a whole bunch of other countries in testing and reporting capabilities? >> well, i'll tell you, what this really shows is that we could get such a better handle on this virus if we had the testing to be able to do that. and the fact of the matter is, is that we just not have had the federal leadership that we've needed to be able to clear the way to get all of the components of a test together at the scale that we need to provide it to the general public. this is frustrating because we've been dealing with this virus now in earnest since march. frankly we should have been dealing with it in earnest since january. so we got behind from the jump and haven't caught up. meanwhile you have very well meaning protocols coming out of public agencies. the problem, of course, as you've noted is that we just don't have the testing available to be able to activate those for enough of the people who may in fact be exposed and potentially ill. and just to put an exclamation point on dr. ranney's excellent point, we don't know if we are carriers of this disease. and so it is absolutely critical not just to pay attention to what happens when you have symptoms but to assume that even if you don't have symptoms, you could be one of those people that's spreading it. >> that's really important as well. dr. ranney, what are we learning now, some new information about reinfection rates. are being getting coronavirus more than once? >> it is too early for us to see for sure whether people are being infected by coronavirus more than once. there are a few anecdotes or case studies of people who have been infected, gotten better and then gotten infected again. there are other studies showing two-thirds of people develop antibodies or immunity to covid-19 and about half of those, their immunity disappears within a couple of months. those studies are concerning to us, but there's no definite evidence one way or another whether people can be reinfected at this point. it is simply too early in the course of this virus for us to know for sure. time will tell, and we hope to goodness that people will not be able to be infected more than once, but we're waiting and seeing and watching. >> the doctors, the medical experts and scientists, they have learned a lot about this virus, but they all acknowledge there's still a whole lot more they still have to learn. to both of you doctors, thank you so much for joining us. dr. ranney, dr. abdul el-sayed, appreciate very, very much. stay safe out there. thanks for all the good work. >> thank you for having us. a crisis unfolding in portland, oregon, right now. the city's attorney general is demanding an investigation after video surfaced online that showed masked and camouflaged federal agents detaining peaceful protesters, but are there legal issues for these kinds of arrests? 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regime, but scenes like that were witnessed in portland, oregon, and the president hints that more cities could see the same tactics. cnn's josh campbell is in portland for us right now. so what are you seeing, josh? what's going on? >> reporter: wolf, it's starting to get tense here. we've seen some of the protesters arrive. we've also seen a small group of counterprotesters. we're here at the epicenter of this federal building behind me where they have erected this metal barricade. you can see why. behind that is a federal building that has been completely defaced. you have graffiti and destruction where people tried to make their way into the building. again, this has been the epicenter where there have been largely peaceful protests during the day. at night sometimes turning violent with these confrontations between protesters and police. just last night here we know that in three instances they had police actually deploying dispersants and tear gas trying to push the crowd back. behind me there is a group that's starting to gather. this is on the fringe area where the protests have started. there were a lot of people that were around this area and at night a lot of them move in. last night there were over a thousand people that were here in this area. it's yet to be seen with police setting up this barricade what will happen tonight. one other thing we saw a while ago, a very tense moment where if you look on the far ending, you see a man who's holding an american flag. this gentleman here is a former u.s. marine corps veteran. he tells us that he's a proud american. he came out to actually put american flags up, which were quickly torn down by protesters, which are leading to this very confrontational tense exchange. at one point you had one of the protesters climbing over him to rip down one of these american flags. interestingly enough, wolf, what we learned is it was a lesson in assumptions. the protesters assumed that he was on the far right in their words. he actually said that, no, he doesn't support the president, he doesn't support the federal presence here in portland, but he also supports the country and is trying to bring the country together. a lot of the protesters that weren't buying that were saying essentially that flag is something that they take great exception to right now, especially in this moment of heated tension. growing tension here in portland that's happened for well over 50 days, wolf. we know that there's been this division between local leaders and federal leaders. local officials telling the feds to get out of the city. president trump and the acting secretary of the department of homeland security saying they're not going anywhere. they're going to have an infusion of federal resources, which it's circular, that's the reason why so many of these protesters are here, trying to call for this very aggressive federal presence to leave the town. tensions continues, wolf. we don't know when it's going to ending. we suspect mer protests here tonight here in the city of portland. >> we'll stay in touch with you, josh campbell in portland. thanks very much. joining us now our chief legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. his new book "true crimes and misdemeanors, the investigation of donald trump." that is out august 4th. there you see the book cover right there. looking forward to getting that book, jeffrey, thanks very much. let's talk about what's going on in portland right now. are these actions that we're seeing unfold legal? >> well, what i think a lot of people don't know is that the federal government doesn't have to have the permission of local authorities to send in federal police forces. here we have a bizarre situation where the governor of oregon doesn't want these federal police. the mayor of portland doesn't want them. the two senators don't want it. but the president feels it is important to have a federal presence in this situation. the question is are they doing more harm than good? but the local authorities, state and municipal, they don't have the ability to tell the feds to just go home. so they have to deal with the fact that the feds are there. and the question is, are the feds provoking more outrage, provoking more protests, or are they serving to quiet things down? i don't have the answer here and i don't think anyone knows the answer at this point. >> so if the protesters are obviously protesting, but let's say they're going through and breaking down that fence around that federal building in portland. does that justify local police doing something about it or does that justify federal armed personnel coming in? we've seen the pictures. >> well, according to the president's executive order, federal authorities, including these federal agents there, do have the ability to arrest people for interference with federal property. they do have the legal right to do that. the question is, is it wise? is it a -- is it an appropriate use of federal force? are they doing it as something the president is trying to prove that these democratically run cities and states are outlaws or are they actually trying to keep the peace. i think as a technical legal matter, the feds have the right to do this. the question of whether it's wise or not is very different. >> in the case where a protester was injured, let's say, how can that protester or other protesters seek justice or compensation when it's unclear who did what was going on? >> the short answer, wolf, is that it's almost impossible. in the first place, it's almost -- it's extremely difficult to sue any governmental agency, whether it's state or federal, for any sort of traditional tort claim. i mean there are laws about local immunity, which are quite controversial now, especially coming out of what's gone on in minnesota. there is a lot of controversy about whether these laws about the way -- how difficult it is to sue municipalities, whether those laws are appropriate. but those laws are on the books now and so it's very hard to sue to get damages. plus you have the question of causation. it's not clear as far as i understand it who or what caused these terrible injuries, so i think the chance of a civil lawsuit based on these injuries is pretty remote at this point. >> remind us, jeffrey, what's the federal government claiming is the justification for all of this? >> well, the federal government -- the president has issued executive orders saying he has the right or the federal government has the right to protect federal interests in localities where there might be these sorts of disturbances. they have the right to protect federal monuments. they have the right to protect federal buildings. that is certainly true. the question that is raised by all this is, is the federal government through these actions just protecting their interests, their buildings, their property, or are they being more aggressive than that, seeking out conflict with protesters where the local authorities could do a better job or even in a more sinister way, are the federal authorities provoking more violence and more outrage than if they had simply not shown up in the first place. those are the questions that are raised. that's why the local government, state of oregon, the city of portland, the two democratic senators from oregon are so outraged because they think that these federal authorities are actually just -- even if they have the technical right to be in portland, are doing more harm than good. >> jeffrey toobin helping us appreciate what's going on in portland. thank you very much, jeffrey, for that. once again we'll look forward to your new book coming out in a few weeks. appreciate it very much. >> all right. despite new cases surging across georgia right now, the governor there, brian kemp, is suing the atlanta mayor, keisha lance bottoms, over her city's mask mandate. the battle continues. we have new information when we come back. migraine medicine. it's 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now. natasha, what's the latest on this feud between governor brian kemp and the atlanta mayor, keisha lance bottoms? >> reporter: wolf, this is really escalated. in the last few days is when georgia governor brian kemp actually sued the atlanta mayor and atlanta city council over their rollback to phase one. that's a set of recommendations where the city of atlanta would like businesses like restaurants to go back to curbside pickup and delivery only. atlanta is only one of several georgia cities with a mask mandate. all of that was mentioned in this lawsuit filed by kemp. mayor bottoms fired back on twitter saying reading is fundamental, pointing out the fact that kemp was suing over a set of recommendations. kemp on the other hand has said that he is doing this on behalf of atlanta businesses who were struggling and who need to put food on the table. when we talked to some atlanta businesses, restaurant owners in particular, they said the real problem is that there's no clear guidance here and they feel like they're children caught between two divorcing parents. here's one restaurant owner and what he said. >> we're not getting answers, so it's like we're having to make decisions on our own on how to do this. it's a political game. i call it a political pickle that we're in, that we don't want to be in. i don't want people to see us as choosing sides. >> reporter: his restaurant, homegrown, has decided to stay closed because if they were to stay open just for delivery or curbside, they would be operating at a loss. but others around him have all stayed open, paying attention to the governor's comment that these city orders are unenforceable. according to kemp, no local jurisdiction can make any rules that are more or less restrictive than the statewide executive order. so the restaurants are really caught in a situation here and they feel like whatever decision they're making is a political one now because of the local and state feud here between the leaders. just to recap on the cases here in georgia, in the past couple of weeks here, we've seen the trend of new covid-19 cases climb steadily upward with more than 3,000 georgians who have died of covid-19 since the pandemic began and more than 100,000 here in the state who have tested positive, including the mayor herself, wolf. >> natasha, all this georgia as you point out is near the top of the country in daily cases. the hospitals there in georgia, how are they holding up? >> reporter: right. well, governor kemp has made it clear that he's working to improve, to enhance the capacity for hospital beds and to expand testing. that's been something that they're keeping an eye on, given the numbers increasing. he actually reactivated the makeshift hospital at the georgia world congress center about a week or two ago, just to make sure there is enough capacity for that, wolf. >> all right, natasha, thanks very much. natasha chen reporting. let's get some more now on the georgia crisis. the mayor of augusta, georgia, hardie davis, is joining us right now. mayor davis, thanks for joining us. georgia reporting more than 3,000 new covid cases, almost 2,000 of those, what, in your city? augusta hospitalizations, deaths, i take it, they're really soaring. what's your reaction to what you're hearing from the governor as he's trying to impose his will on your city? >> well, wolf, one, it's no secret that cases are rising at an extraordinarily high rate in georgia. in the last 24 hours, we've had almost 4,000 new cases with an additional 60 in my city alone of that almost 4,000, which brings us to 2,165 cases, 63 deaths in richmond county. what we're finding is that, again, if people were to wear a mask, wash their hands and watch their distances, we could have done an even better job of stopping or slowing the spread of the virus. with the governor's efforts around trying to mandate that we couldn't enforce our local executive orders, many of our cities across the state of georgia enacted them anyway out of an abundance of caution and concern for our cities. i am a border city. south carolina's numbers are surging at the same time georgia's are. our neighbors are south carolinians. so with the governor in south carolina, mcmaster, allowed local governments to put in place local orders and ordinances for masks, we are here in georgia having a debate about whether we have the ability to do that. here in augusta we have moved forward with mandating that masks are in fact required not only in government buildings but in public spaces as well. we think it's the appropriate thing to do. in consultation over lengthy number of days with our local public health officials and our hospitals, we believe it's the right thing for us to be doing if we're going to be slowing the spread of the virus. i heard that, again -- go ahead, wolf. >> no, no, finish your thought. >> yeah. here in the last few days, we have had almost a dozen restaurants and bars close not because of masks but because of employees testing positive for covid. and so we've got to do more if we want the economy to come back at a steady pace, we've got to make sure we're taking these appropriate steps to wear a m b mask, wash your hands and keep your distance. we're not getting that absent having these requirements in place for people to put masks on. >> these are not hard things to do and they will save a lot of lives if folks start doing it. governor kemp was also slow to issue stay-at-home orders, quick to open things back up. do you think he's responsible for the conditions in your state right now? >> well, i think, you know, again, the governor is leading the state. we share responsibility in terms of how we do that. local governments move very quickly to close things down and the governor followed that. we found ourselves now in a place where there was an effort to move georgia to the top of the list in terms of opening quickly, and now we're seeing the effects of that. this is the time for us to be prudent in our leadership around how we provide for the health, welfare and safety of all of our citizens and without question in the state of georgia as one of those 18 states just listed in the white house report as those red zone states, with 30 cities in the state of georgia being listed, augusta happens to be one of them, we've got to be more deliberate about our approach to what we're doing, particularly in terms of wearing a mask. all of the cdc guidelines, all of the coronavirus task force requirements or recommendations coming from the white house say that masks should be mandated, if not at the state level then at the local level. that's where we are in the state of georgia. and i think that's what needs to happen as opposed to us looking for opportunities to find ourselves in a lawsuit with the state of georgia. we need to take care of the citizens of the state of georgia. >> yeah, you certainly do and you've got a tough, tough mission. these are life-and-death decisions that have to be made. mayor hardie davis, thanks for joining us. good luck. >> thanks, wolf. we're following another big story tonight, a titan of the civil rights movement has lost his battle with pancreatic cancer. we're going to pay special tribute to the life of the georgia congressman, john lewis. that's next. ♪ this virus is testing all of us. and it's testing the people on the front lines of this fight most of all. so abbott is getting new tests into their hands, delivering the critical results they need. and until this fight is over, we...will...never...quit. because they never quit. ruth bader ginsburg revealed she is under going chemotherapy. in a statement on friday the 87-year-old justice said the treatment is yielding positive results and she remains fully able to continue her post. dr. sanjay gup to sheds some light on justice ginsburg's latest health battle. >> well, over the years we've certainly gotten to know justice ginsburg in terms of her tenure on the supreme court but also her medical history, something we followed very closely as well going back to 1999. she had colon cancer surgery at that point. in 2009 she had pancreatic surgery and treatment. we were told it was for early stage pancreatic cancer. she's had nodules removed from her left lung and it's the most recent history that has become relevant. last august she started therapy for her pancreatic cancer, which seemed like it was a recurrence as a new type of pancreatic cancerwhat we know from her statement is that she started a form of immune ootherapy back i august of 2019. we know it really didn't work for her, didn't have much of an effect. in may of 2020, she had this nonsurgical treatment for her gallbladder and what was revealed was she started another form of chemotherapy. this second form of chemotherapy the justice says seems to be working and she seems to have a response to it, it's thought of as a palliative therapy, not a curative therapy. everything patient is different so doctors don't like to answer the question about what does this mean overall in terms of survival but average survival after someone starts it is around a year. the answer is everyone's different. she's 87 years old, she's been through a lot. we'll see what happens. it's a tough course and hopefully we'll hear from her and her office and we'll certainly keep an eye on it and wish her well. >> we certainly do wish her only, only the best. thanks very much, sanjay for that. i'm wolf blitzer here in washington. to our viewers, thanks very much for watching. i'll be back tomorrow night for another special edition of "the situation room." up next jake tapper and a special report "the pandemic & the president." but before we go, we want to take a moment to mark the passing of a truly wonderful and great man, john lewis. as the mayor said in a statement, there are no words to describe the loss of congressman lewis. she's of course right. he was 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New-yorkUnited-statesGeorgiaRichmond-countyPortlandOregonSouth-carolinaTexasAtlantaFloridaItalyWhitehouse maybe from the norris, hunker down meaning get down on your haunches. >> usually only used in hurricanes. leslie uses it, hey, what you doing hunker downers. >> he is funny. i do see the similarities. >> i should be lucky to look like leslie jordan. >> you should cut his hair. >> i should do something. >> have a great week. >> chris, thank you. >> you're doing more than enough. anderson, god bless. i am chris cuomo, welcome to "prime time." instead of selling us on a well-thought-out plan, what are officials doing today, warning ourselves not to poison ourselves with household cleaners. why? because of what trump said and meant. heaven forbid this president just take responsibility, just take it back. trump floated it seriously, not sarcastically, and now he's trying to spin it. it's the same thing every time. double down on dumb. instead of the forces of the fringe, now we got to hear them saying, oh, he was right about the light, and if he were wrong, if he were wrong to suggest taking disinfectant, well, he was just being sarcastic. look, we all heard it. this is no time for this kind of noise. we wonder why states are all over the place. why reopening is a mess. georgia, oklahoma, opening up now. cases still out of control. why? leadership is consistency and accountability. if you don't have it, you get what you're seeing right now. every night i will remind only one way forward. together, as ever, as one. that means we've got to be straight and we've got to care enough about each other to do the right thing for everyone. let's get after it. why does it matter? we should be worried about each other and your public health. i agree. but look at the google trends. a massive spike in searches of terms like "disinfectant" and "injection." i wonder why. just happens to come after the president trial ballooned exactly that as a possible coronavirus cure. people who are actually looking this up. come on, my brothers and sisters. and yet, i can't really put it on you. why wouldn't you take a look? the president told you seriously that this is something that they may look at. lysol had to come out and issue warnings that under no circumstances should its disinfectants be put inside the human body. his protecters in righty media are saying to me it was wrong of you, cuomo, to make that joke that trump is saying take two shots of windex, swallow a light bulb and call me in the morning. really? you're going to defend everything he has. you wonder why things are so wrong. this ain't straight tv. we're going to give it to you straight here because it matters too much. this was trump's response today, the most toxic part of the occasion. >> no, i was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you, just to see what would happen. >> you're not encouraging americans to inject -- >> of course, no. that -- interior wise it's -- said sarcastically. it was put in the form of a question to a group of extraordinarily hostile people. namely the fake news media. >> you were looking at dr. birx. >> i was looking at bill. i was looking at the doctor. i was looking at some of the reporters. i don't know if you were there. were you there? i don't think you were there. >> i was there. >> no, not you. you were there. i'd never forget. >> i was then't there. >> you were not. i didn't think you were there. >> we were all there. we watched it on tape. this is not a mystery. this is not an open question. here's what he said. >> i see the disinfectant, it knocks it out in a minute. one minute. and is there a way where we can do something like that by injection inside or -- or almost a cleaning? because you see it gets on the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that. >> see anybody laughing? you see people behind him like this -- no? not one. why? because he wasn't joking around. he was musing. he was doing what he was doing, which is him making stuff up, and then he goes on to say today, oh, no, i was talking about the disinfectant on the hands. did you know if you rub the disinfectant on the hands, it can kill coronavirus, it can kill things, so, you know, that's what i was talking about. it's like i was waiting for him to say you can put it on and it's kind of clear, so maybe we call it something like pure. but it's a gel. my idea is we put stuff on our hands that can kill germs and call it purell. that's just something i'm spit balling. come on. that's what you said. that is leadership. it was a stupid thing. nobody really cares except the people that are googling it because you won't own that you were wrong, okay? and that's the problem here. kaitlan collins was there. she heard it in person. but, by the way, that's not the standard. all you need to do is hear the sound. there is no benefit of context that he's not getting. tonight, another clue, the president wouldn't take questions about it. kaitlan collins joins us now. >> yeah, that's right, chris. the president didn't take any questions tonight. that is, of course, a rarity for the president at these coronavirus briefings. where often, you know, sometimes they go for one hour, potentially two and the president takes lots of questions from reporters, but the last we heard from him today, you know, where he was taking questions was in the oval office when he was trying to explain away that remark, saying he was simply being sarcastic. though, of course, chris, many people have noted that's really not what we heard from other people at the white house today, including when earlier they said actually the media had been taking them out of context. dr. deborah birx explained it in an interview on fox news saying the president was digesting information in real time. of course that came after that presentation you saw from the top dhs official when the president was suggesting that doctors should look into those -- his musings about potentially whether or not light and disinfectants could be used inside the body as a cure for coronavirus, the doctor -- excuse me, the dhs official even said, no, that's not really something they could do, but they could try to put it in the hands of people that do. of course, chris, we saw the fallout from this where the krlkd had to issue a tweet saying please do not use household products. follow the instructions on the label. even the surgeon general putting out a tweet this morning saying you need to make sure you are consulting with your doctor before you pursue any kind of treatments when it comes to coronavirus. >> before swallowing clorox, please consult your doctor. you'll certainly need them after. kaitlan collins, bless you. for keeping it straight in situations like this. i wish you a very good weekend. let's bring in dr. william schaffner, infectious disease expert, cdc adviser. always a pleasure, doc. welcome back to "prime time." >> good to be with you, chris. >> so, doc, people are googling this because they take him seriously. nobody was laughing behind him when he said it. you know who's telling the truth? dr. birx. he was processing information in real time. he heard them talking about using uv light and other ways of disrupting the virus on surfaces. finding disinfectants that can kill this virus so it doesn't live as long as a pathogen on all of these different surfaces. and he wanted to one-up it. now people will say, oh, who care? nobody cares about this. why do you care? >> well, i care a great deal. that disinfectant remark really gave me a chill when i heard it because there might well be some people out there who took it seriously. i mean, that's toxic. we' will be generating calls to poison control centers because of that. that can make you really, really sick. disinfectants are for inadamant surfaces, not for the interior of the body. and beyond that, my email inbox gets all kinds of suggestions from well-intentioned people about all kinds of -- all kinds of interesting ideas they have for treatments. none of those have been studied carefully. so we need to be very circumspect about what it is that we do in order to try to prevent these infections as well as treat them. we need to be conservative and rest on the science. and in the meantime, as you know, social distancing, hand washing, use those masks. >> right. and, look, why are people a little mixed up about this? well, part of it is they're sick of it, right? that's -- fatigue is natural in a situation like this and to be expected. but when the president of the united states is saying, you know, i don't know about testing, you know? sometimes it works. sometimes it's not the right way. some governors say they have a better way. no governor says that, by the way. and then he says you should liberate your states. people are protesting. i get it. this is hard. people want to get back to work. that's the messaging. and it creates a mess, does it not? >> well, surely. now, everybody wants to return to a semblance of normal, but we also want to do it safely. so the way to do that is gradually, in a phased fashion, and here's where leadership really is important. you have to tell people exactly what they ought to do and ought not to do. for example, if you're opening things up now, still wear your masks. everybody who works in businesses that are opening up should wear a mask. businesses shouldn't let anybody in unless they're wearing masks. we need to normalize this in the near-term future because coronavirus, it's going to be with us for quite a while. >> right. and it's also the only thing we can do right now. you know, all these other things are maybes. the -- for instance, that's what i was just reading while you were talking. the fda is now approving the first at-home test kit. but you're not going to get it tomorrow. there are a couple of questions about its accuracy, but there are always questions about accuracy with tests. but that's gonna be a while, right? and isn't the reality of testing that that's gonna be a while before we're really up to scale, before we really know the content of this country in terms of viral exposure. >> oh, for sure. we've all said we want to test more. we're making baby steps in that direction. in tennessee, i can say that it's fortunate now that if you want to get a test, you can go to an assessment center and get the test. there's no costs involved. so that's really very important. that's a step ahead. but still we're not testing nearly as many people as we were like to test. and, of course, that's a fundamental aspect of moving forward as we gradually in a systematic fashion carefully open things up to the new normal, not the old normal. >> let's end where we began. the reason it matters, what the president says, is it has sway. now, look, taking disinfect the. i can't believe that many people were going it. i have to say i'm a little surprised by that. but the hydroxychloroquine thing, that's how we got in that mess. . he went out there. he pushed it. people started buying it up all over the place. made it hashed for people with lupus and who needed it to buy prescriptions. they were neutral on hydroxychloroquine. they didn't suggest it. they didn't not suggest it. the fda is how issuing warnings on hydroxychloroquine. are you in favor of the move and is it too late? >> oh, it's -- it's not too late, and the important thing is that there trials under way examining hydroxychloroquine. and i hope that patients around the country are volunteering to be part of that trial because we need these answers so that we can treat patients coherently. evidence-based medicine is the best way to go. we don't want to harm patients. we want to do well by our patients. we want to improve them. but only when we have the evidence can we do that with confidence. >> and, doctor, the reason i love having you on is the same point we're trying to make about the president. you say what you know and you say what you know. hydroxychloroquine may help people. may have helped people already. we don't know. so you're not going to suggest it to people. what you suggest is that we figure it out. that's the kind of leadership that gets us answers. not more trouble. dr. schaffner, i hope you get to have some rest this weekend. thank you for helping me and the audience. >> my pleasure, chris. >> all right. look, also, you have to look at the consistency of message as part of the reason for the confusion and reopening. georgia opened for business again. despite warnings, even from the president, by the way. you got to give him his due. when he says something that's right, give it to him. be nice if he said it earlier. be nice if it wasn't contradictory to what he said earlier about the governor of georgia, but still, what's it like night one in georgia? 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and certain keys are showing up in almost every proposal. first, testing. >> ultimately we're doing more testing, i think, than probably any of the governors even want. >> reporter: despite that false claim, the national governors association says in its new recovery road map, testing capacity remains inadequate, giving no clear picture of where the virus is or how it is spreading. and most proposals insist testing must be vastly expanded. harvard says it should be millions of people per day. duke, the ultimate goal is that all patients with covid-19 seeking out patient or hospital care receive a reliable diagnostic test. only that can confirm a 14-day decline in infections, which even the white house says should proceed reopenings. second, tracking. several states are launching contact tracing over orts, meaning identifying infected people and anyone they had recent contact with asking them to self-quarantine. doing that nationwide could require hiring as many as 300,000 people. but on boston's nbc10, one of the leaders to the effort to add contact tracers there explains how it can work. >> it seems big until you kind of break it down and realize that spread isn't going like, you know, scatter shot. it's going through social networks. >> reporter: third, rapid response. researchers say hospitals must be on solid footing, protective gear, ventilators and more replenished so the medical community can respond quickly and halt outbreaks. alison said it's irresponsible of her state, georgia, to say she want reopen her beauty salon without such measures. >> yeah, i am really angry about it. >> reporter: and fourth, continued restrictions. every credible plan for reopening the nation still caws for degrees of social distancing, limits on travel and only a gradual rungs esumption business so any emerging problems can be spotted and a shutdown instantly declared again. >> yes. all of this will require a lot of money. it will require discipline and it will require patience. but these experts say done properly we can slowly and safely reopen the whole economy. and the worry about places like georgia jumping out front without all these protocols is that you might trigger a giant backslide, which pulls the economy and hope and trust and everything back, and we all pay for all of this much longer. chris? >> tom, thank you very much. we actually saw something like that in hong kong. they tried to get back too soon. came with major implications. but that now leaves us with georgia. tom, thank you. bless you. have a great weekend. the georgia proposition has now opened the world to the opportunity for the coveted htm, the haircut, tattoo, massage trio. is this a good thing for anybody? let's go to the mayor of augusta, georgia. hardie davis. welcome to "prime time," mr. mayor. >> chris, excited to be here with you, and, again, let's talk about it. >> what is it looking like there now that people have the opportunity? >> well, you know, today was our first day, and i took a drive around downtown and across the city. people are very cautious. they're taking a very tempered approach in terms of coming out into the community. i saw folks out walking, social distancing, continuing to do that. i popped my head into a barber shop and there was only one barber who was in the shop and he was taking customers by appointment. but i think the general consensus is that people are still very concerned. we know that now the governor said we're going to take a phased approach in terms of opening certain businesses. we're going to comply with that and work with that. now is not the time to remain at a place of surprise or shock. we've got to govern at this point. this is an opportunity for us now to lead. and what it's done for us in augusta is just caused us to have to move very quickly in terms of how we mobilize with our reopening plan. >> and, look, you don't really have much choice, mr. mayor, right? the state -- the governor was very clear that the local authorities have no ability to not execute the order as written. so your hands were tied and you weren't consulted, and the problem with that is you are going to get saddled -- you've been very outspoken about this and your concerns. you're going to get saddled with the reality now, and underlying the governor's move is his statement that the businesses are able to open because new cases and hospital visits have lowered enough. they have not lowered at all, according to the cdc and the projections. not only do you not meet the cdc guidelines, but cases are still rising. >> yeah, i think you're absolutely correct, chris. our initial plan was to follow the cdc's guidelines that called for 14 straight days of a decline in terms of confirmed cases. we still have yet to see that in georgia. not only have we not seen that decline, but, in fact, today we find ourselves at a place of almost 22,500 confirmed cases and almost 900 deaths. when you look at the fact that we understand that you've got to have the three t's, testing, contact tracing and treatment, we're not at a place where we can do that in sufficient enough numbers. whether that's across the state of georgia, and without question, in augusta. one of the things that i can, again, give the governor great credit for is that he's identified augusta university and the city of augusta as the state's primary testing facility. they are working on a rapid response ability to be able to provide testing across the state of georgia. i'm very hopeful that that's going to be successful. not only is that going to take place, but we need to make sure that working in partnership with the georgia department of health we can get folks on the ground to do contact tracing, but, again, those things are not possible at this point in sufficient enough numbers. >> that's -- look, that's the catch-22. i mean, there's no question the university's going to be really busy, and the problem is you got restaurants and movies opening on monday, and you're not gonna know about what effect this had on cases for weeks. so by the time you find out, people are going to be out there, they're going to get more confidence, and it's hard to put all of it on the citizens to do it the right way. that's what the leadership's supposed to be about, but mayor hardie davis, you've been clear about your concerns and we're here to be an echo of your concerns as you go forward. i wish you well. god bless. >> thanks, chris. appreciate it. >> all right. logical. cases are going to go up. why? 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hm. well i say no to kale. mm. yeah, they say if you blanch it it's better, but that seems like a lot of work. now offering zero commissions on online trades. we charge you less so you have more to invest. ♪ everybody wants to ease up on restrictions. they just want to do it safely, and it's going to remain almost purely aspirational unless you get what the mayor just called the three t's down to augusta, georgia. you got to test. you got to be able to trace when you get people who are positive. and you got to be able to treat the cases that come into the hospitals. we heard this from the vice president today. >> we're going to continue to increase testing dramatically in the weeks ahead. >> now, that should sound familiar. >> we'll continue to build out that structure going forward for the weeks ahead, in the weeks ahead. >> in the next few weeks. >> days ahead, testing is ramping up. >> i think we'll be talking about it in the not too distant future. >> now, this is where you got to strip out the politics and look at the practicality. are we increasing testing? yes. but have we gotten where we need to be? not even close. we've only tested about 5 million people in a country of, what, 300-plus million to be sure, right? on the low side. you know, it's like saying we were at a 42, now we're at a 55, man. we're doing good. passing is 65. we're still failing. period. promises made, promises kept. come on. those are words. it's about the quality and the action and the practicality of the policy. let's bring in someone who knows that well from his time as acting administrator for his time in the centers for medicare and medicaid. mr. andy slavitt. >> hey, chris. >> one of the best opportunities i can afford on this show. tell me i'm wrong. yes, we're ramping up testing. yes, they're at 150,000 a day. but scale, brother, scale is not incremental if you need to hit a certain benchmark for it to be effective, and we're nowhere near it. so is progress enough for a pat on the back? >> look, i think that what the president would be smarter to do is to hit a number that he can stick to or beat. i think that's not in his nature, but if he said, look, by the end of june we're going to have 3 million tests -- and i know it's not enough, but by july we're going to have 4 and then, you know, people will understand -- they may not like it, but to continue to say that everybody has all the tests that they need when everyone knows it's not their reality, it erodes trust. and so what he needs to do now is build trust. because the reality on the ground isn't changing. mayors from augusta to new york city to all over the country, democrat and republican, they don't want people in their towns to die. and so they're not gonna just take the vacant words that are coming out of the white house press conference. >> the catch is, it would be fine to hit numbers to show promises made, promises kept or whatever, accountability. if it were just a solo criterion. but it isn't. it's testing as a co-efficient as whether or not you're ready to reopen. if you can't hit the three t's, you know, if you don't have an ability to let me know with some reasonable degree, hey, who's going to be in this restaurant with me? how safe am i in on the way in and the way out with the valet or whatever the situation is, i'm not gonna go. so it's not just hitting a mark, is it andy? i mean, they've got to get to a point of saturation where people believe there's real protection. >> that's right. and i think the reason they're not doing that is because they're so far away from the number that they'd rather see if they can have the governors take the blame and say that it's a responsibility of the governors to get to that level of testing. and the truth is -- >> yeah. >> -- it's going to take both the governors and the white house to work together to expand testing and the private sector, including the fda. it has to go everywhere. >> well, look, i'm told they had a good call today, the governors with the people, you know, on the task force about getting on the same page and doing it. look, we know what the tension is here. we say it's about public policy and health, but it isn't, right? i mean, the problem with testing is it gets in the way of reopening. you can't test enough people to make it compelling to push for reopening right now, but that's what he wants so he wants to get away from the testing, so he wants to diminish the value of test, and to the extent that it is valuable, i'm going to put it on you. that's where we are right now and we seem a little stuck. how do we break out of this and get to a place where reopening isn't reckless? >> you know, with a little bit of patience. i mean, look, we all -- we wish it weren't so. we wish we could open. we wish we could send our kids to summer camp. we wish we could go back to work. we'd all like to go back to the restaurants. we'd like to enjoy the sports that we enjoy in the summer. you know, there is not a person in the country that doesn't want that. but wishing won't make it so. we have to accept the situation we're in and work our way through it. you know, 18 months isn't forever. we're gonna -- gonna have to get through this period. it's a hard period. the government is going to have to support people through it. understanding people are anxious. i think it's fine to restrirela of the restrictions where people have gone too far. as you heard from the mayor of augusta. >> now, look, you know what will become a really interesting factor. it's about to go away for a few months, but then it's gonna come back. i'm not talking about the bump in the fall, i'm talking about school. because they're not gonna play around with kids and people in those situations because you can pop. you can foster contagion fast that way. that's about to go away because soon we're going to be on summer break. but you can't open the economy if you can't open schools, and that is going to be a real catch point for us, and we'll see how it plays out and we'll be doing it in real time with you. andy slavitt, have a great weekend and thanks for helping out my audience. >> all right. thanks. all right. now, i hope you know this. okay? there was absolutely a mental health crisis in america before this pandemic. depression is one of the most diagnosed situations we have medically, okay? well, we're also a nation where so many of us are battling addiction or know someone who is, right? i mean, if it's not someone who is really close do yto you, are really two degrees from someone who struggles? so what is this pandemic doing to people's management of their own illness, the ability to get treatment? dr. duckworth is back tonight. he understands the situation and he's going to tell us next. 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(baby crying) ♪ ♪ open. remember having that feeling for the first time? the first day you opened. the first day you had a customer, the first day you taught a class, had a client, a patient, a session. open... remember the night before you opened? who could ever sleep? open... but there's a different question we are being asked now. are you going to remain open? even when your doors are closed? open. that's how we show who we are. and there's another way to be open, to pull together - or push, depending on the door. and we are making it work and we will continue to make it work together. because open we stand. every time i think of the reality i get anxious. we're home. we're scared. we're isolated. we're alone. we lose our normal network. we can't get to other people. alcohol is flying off the shelves. i mean, you know, was it an obvious recipe for it? how do you cope with having real problems and real trials when you can't get to treatment, you can get to your doctor, maybe you can't even get your medications, either because of convenience or because of supply chain. health experts fear a rise in addiction. a rise in problems. they know that alcohol is flying off the shelves. they're getting huge spikes in distress calls. police departments around the country. overdose calls are up year over year. people who are already struggling with addiction before the pandemic are worried about relapse. treatment centers are having trouble being staffed. they're having trouble with beds. they can't get their ppe. this is a real, real problem and nobody's talking about it. let's welcome back dr. ken duckworth. he wants to break the silence. the chief medical officer for the national alliance of mental illness. national alliance on moment illness. also known as mani. doc, told you we'd do it again. >> wonderful to see you again. thanks for having me. >> oh, you're a blessing. can't ignore this. this is a recipe for disaster for people who are not well. if you can keep yourself from using now, you have some great, strong resolve and a chance at leading a sober life for a while. tell us why. >> or if you're part of a community that is supporting you. i think it's really important that this is a moment -- we're home. we have time. think about this condition, addiction, not as a moral failing, but as a chronic biological vulnerability that has treatment. and i do want to say hthat if yu can participate in a community of recovery and get treatment virtually. a lot of treatments are being given virtually, chris. i want to emphasize you can get suboxone, which is a medication used to treat opiate disorder. this has saved lives and been endorsed by multisurgery generals. that can be prescribed through telemedicine visits, which was unheard of a month ago. we had over 70,000 opiate deaths in went and our lifespan in america has been going down three of the last four years, and that's because of suicide and addiction. so we have some work to do as a society. and as we're on this giant pause, thinking about how we relate to addiction, how we love people into care, how we forgive ourselves for our vulnerabilities and work this problem. it's a hard problem and these stresses are adding to it, chris. >> so let's talk solutions. two different phases. one is, if you have somebody in your life who is struggling, what do you do, what can you do, what are the tools and what should you do for that person? >> yeah, well, it's a very individual situation, and if it's a mental health vulnerability, there is a nami organization near you. we have 600 across the country, where you can problem solve. i like to think of what i think of and what the person thinks of as two ven diagrams and i stick with the overlap. what is the area that is troubling them that i also see? they may not see something that i observe. they might not want to hear about it. but the other pieces of what they see are true for their experience. so if they're having trouble sleeping or they're functioning poorly at work or they can't organize their thinking, those are problems that you can both agree upon. these are the principles of so-called motivational interviewing. find what the person cares about. get aso lolongside of them like you're on a bus stop looking out at the world together. see if you can get to yes to how to be engage and help them. it's not easy. >> yeah. and you also reminded people last night, and it's important iterating tonight that we are isolated but we are not alone. you can reach out. you can facetime. you can chat. there's a gazillion apps. zoom, everyone is using now. say hello. watch tv. watch together on the phone. then you have the person who is sick. and by the way, i -- you're talking about your ven diagrams, i see tremendous overlap between mental illness and addiction. i consider addiction a mental illness. i know that's a little controversial. i think that's about stigma, and i think eventually it will go away. it's not controversial in your community. i'm saying, you know, in the nontreatme nontreatment community, it is. what should those people know is available to them and what to do if they start feeling the obvious stressors? >> well, they are co-travellers. mental health vulnerabilities and addiction are co-travellers. depression and alcohol, common co-travellers. these things exist together. people don't usually read the textbook and just have one problem. so i think the question is, what has worked for you in the past? if aa has worked for you in the past, aa has a remarkable online community, so too smart recovery, so too na. if methadone worked for you and you can't go to the methadone clinic because of social distancing, many states you can get it through a pharmacy now. just go once a month and you're able to get methadone. these are creative interventions that have been public policy successes. so it really depends on what has worked for you in the past and how do you adapt to these difficult circumstances that we're under? but you're going to stress people. and i do worry about our first responders and health care workers in terms of the trauma they're exposed to. >> mm-hmm. >> because that might have a longer tail than the viral curves that we see. the mental health tail is going to be longer, i believe. >> absolutely. and it's tougher to treat. it doesn't go away the same way. it doesn't get dismissed like a fever. and we already know that there's been over a 100% strike -- 100% spike in distress calls and a lot of them are health care workers. >> that's right. >> and it makes sense. dr. ken duckworth, thank you for breaking the silence and talking about what should not -- >> good work, chris. >> listen, this -- this is the job. and it is a privilege to do so. be well. stay well. >> thank you. you too, sir. >> just a quick note, i know it is hard for people out there right now. i hear from you all the time on my radio show, social media. there are people that care about you. they're in your life. you reach out. you want to send us messages? 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