go to cnn.com. christiane, as always, thank you very much. and there were already pretty wild conspiracy theories about malaysian air flight 17, like the fact that or i should say not fact at all, the conspiracy that was pushed out there that the plane was full of corpses and the pilots ejected before the crash. but in russia, some of these loose, absurd theories are being treated as truth. and then all of this, of course, is just torment for these family members mourning the loss of their loved ones, remembering them before this disaster. some of their stories, ahead.
live people but corpses. the plane was flown not by real pilots, it was on autopilot. the complicated procedure executed by live pilots who then ejected on pair chutes in the necessary spot, blown up without using an air-to-surface missile. this is the stuff people are hearing in russia. joining me now, managing editor of the new republic, linda kinsler, covering the conflict. welcome. thanks for having me. so this is one example. can you just tell me a couple of these stories that russians are being told? yes. well, basically, we have seen that the russian propaganda machine is out in full force, trying to deflect any kind of culpability for the accident. we have seen, first of all, that mh-370 rumor going on that it s the original plane that was hidden, taken to the netherlands and loaded with corpses, and then flown over ukraine. we ve also heard that, you know, the accident the plane was
severe economic action and also symbolic action, like cutting off air flights landing rights in the united states and europe. making every effort to keep them from hosting the next world cup in 2016 and going after their personal assets. i hear you say the u.s. needs to take the lead and president obama. how do you get other western allies on board? well, i give david cameron, the british prime minister, a lot of credit for the statement he made yesterday, extremely critical of putin and also very critical of his fellow european leaders for not taking strong enough action. and the fact that so many europeans were killed on this plane and the flight emanated from europe, that should be a galvanizing moment. and it should be up to the president working with david cameron to mobilize that support. let s talk about vladimir putin the man. you know about the famous exchange between president george w. bush with putin, looked into his eyes and said he
minutes. this news confirming the suspicion surrounding these pictures, which appear to show at least one of those black box reporters, these orange pieces of, you know, machinery here being taken by these pro russian rebels. the question now, were they tampered with in the meantime. for its part, the kremlin denying it gave the separatists anti aircraft missiles. it says a ukrainian war plane flew near the malaysian airliner before the civilian plane came down. but as certainty grows about russia s involvement in arming the rebels in eastern ukraine, so does world pressure for president vladimir putin to do the right thing. the burden now is on russia to insist that the separatists stop tampering with the evidence, grant investigators who are already on the ground immediate, full and unimpeded access to the crash site. let me bring in republican congressman, from new york, peter king, chairman of the house subcommittee on
the preponderance of evidence is the dissidents shot it down, and possibly the russians. what we have to keep in mind is what has been occurring in the ukraine over the last month, and that is that the ukrainian rebels have been losing and putin has decided this couldn t happen. and that s why he rushed weapons across the border with crews that weren t trained in incomplete weapons systems. and this is how we got this tragedy. and i think now putin realizes that things are going very bad for him, and he s got to give up the black box. and what evidence is left. so malaysia will ultimately have that black box in their hands. the question is, was it tampered with, will that hurt at all their investigation. it seems to me, talking to the bevy of, you know, aviation experts, it will they ll still be able to figure out by putting the pieces of the plane together. my next question is the overamping proof, bob, of the who did this. do you think it s already disappearing from the site, espec