group that the justice department has been a career prosecutor in charge of the potential cases, not against the low-level rioters who went into the capitol on january 6th, but of the people who are organizing the efforts to overthrow the government, and stop the transfer of power to a new president. alan feuer joins us live, i know you don t relish being on tv to talk about reporting, makes me all the more grateful for me you being here. thanks for having me, rachel, i appreciate it. let me ask you, first, about this reporting about the prosecutor who has been put in charge of this part of the january 6th investigation. what can you tell us about him, and what exactly he is looking at that s different from all the other prosecutors who have been at work on these cases? sure, so his name is tom windom, he was brought in from maryland, he s a career prosecutor, although i don t know him personally, by all accounts he s a kind of
jennings. in jennings louisville office, mcconnell aligned when he saw as trump s imminent devise. he said, quote, the democrats are going to take care of the son of a bleep for us. the s.o.b., for us. referring to pelosi s determination to bring impeachment charges against trump that very weak. the house had the votes to impeach trump, likely with a meaningful stamp of bipartisanship. during that lunch, senator mitch mcconnell told these advisers, that there would be at least 17 senate republicans ready to affirm trump s impeachment, meaning ready to vote to convict him. that was supplied the two thirds vote needed to convict. trump would already be out of office by the time the senate folks took place, but a conviction in the senate would mean that trump could be barred from running for office ever again. trump s role on january 6th, he said, was clearly impeachable. he suggested that he would be among the republicans who
ask him to resign. which, of course, famously is what barry goldwater did with president nixon during the watergate. what is different here is that, in the subsequent weeks, kevin mccarthy realized there was not the will in his caucus to make such a call, to president trump. and that his members were deferring to their voters, who just did not want to move on president trump, they weren t angry at him over january 6th, and mccarthy was down at mar-a-lago before the month is out. and patching up his relationship with president trump, and now we know that they are back together again. well, thank you both, i have to thank you for allowing us to hear, and to play for our audience the recording that backs up your reporting here. alex, i have to just ask what you make of the fact that mr. mccarthy and his office, is denying that this ever happened, denying explicitly to nbc news today, when we followed up with him about their denial on this,
times, earlier today, a spokesman for kevin mccarthy issued a flat denial that mccarthy ever said that he would push trump to resign. that spokesman said, quote, mccarthy never said he called trump to tell him he should resign. mccarthy never said he d called trump to say he should resign. to further clarify, we should also note that nbc news research the congressman s office following that statement, specifically ask and again in drilling down on the question of whether or not mr. mccarthy said he would push president trump to resign. his spokesman responded, saying, quote, no he did not. leader mccarthy also issued a statement himself, today, saying in part, the new york times reporting on me is totally false and wrong. the problem with these denials from mr. mccarthy, and his office, is that we have now obtained audio of that january 10th phone call that leader mccarthy held with other top republicans, in which he in
your chance to chime in if i got any of that, wrong or put the emphasis in the wrong, place or got any of it the wrong way around. no, i think you very much captured it. i would just say for the book by an audience out there, for people who work in politics, this is only the start. we have captured some of the most insane intimate sensitive conversations in the extraordinary period following january 6th, on tape. there is much more to come between now and when the book is out on may 3rd, but what you played there, really does capture, rachel, where kevin mccarthy was. he was looking for a way out. he felt trump had become toxic. he was trump s biggest ally during the four years of the trump era didn t see, and here he is looking for an escape hatch, how do i get rid of this soon to be former president? and what do i have to do to, sort of, make myself cleansed of him, somehow in some way. he comes to, maybe i have to