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but, you know, tim raise as great point. i expect many of the witnesses if there is an indictment coming soon, many of the witnesses that will have testified, whose evidence will have been used in this indictment will be republicans, and probably the republicans who are closest to donald trump who knew him best, who knew exactly what he did and said. >> yeah. i mean, tim, the people who will be able to testify to donald trump's role and planning inciting, wanting to join, cheering and now being for pargd and lifting up the insurrection and the insurrectionists were the dead-enders out of lack of a better word. they're the people who stayed after he lost. they're the people who were still there on january 6th and the days leading up to it. >> yeah. just exactly right. look, the test at the very end became loyalty over competence, right? people like bill barr, who was a champion, who argued vociferously against the russia investigation, right, who was right there on family separation
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fab fabricator and doesn't even really make much pretense anymore about what his troops are doing? >> well, he makes the pretense, this is why he's banning media from operating inside russia or ukraine, he doesn't want footage of civilian buildings and people getting bombed out which is now happening pretty much every other day if you watch the pattern, the trajectory of this war on the ground. the media has rallied around this, you know, putin is an evil autocrat or a dictator, and volodymyr zelenskyy is a hero for the free world. both of those things are categorically true. i don't think it's possible anymore to suss out what is going on inside putin's mind, to will's point. a lot of people spend a lot of time trying to do this. those who know him best, by which i mean those here in the west who have worked with him for decades, are saying he is no longer a rational actor, he can no longer be counted on to act in his or his country's best interests. howard: yeah, he does.
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