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Rosenstein to sign-off on the probe before getting trumps tax returns. legally do you think mueller can make the case if necessary? >> make the case for what? make the case to figure out if donald trump somehow has an irs or irs statement or tax return that indicates his involvement of the nature of a criminal probe of collusion, you could make it that way. on the other hand, if its making the case in the sense of does this information show the person has the incentive to engage in collusion, or...

Of course mueller and his team. they do have the upper hand. manafort is not in an elect position or unique position to be able to hold the cards and call the shots. not if youre going back 11 years in financial crimes and not if mueller has the ability investigate it. >> lets talk about these tax returns. as pam pointed out mueller would have needed the deputy ag rosenstein to sign-off on the -- before getting trumps tax returns. legally do you think mueller can make the case if necessary? >> m...

Certainly ask him to cooperate in the investigation. what they have is leverage. could they capitalize on? but if muellers only other evidence here is leverage, then he doesnt have much of a case. but if what he has is financial information that says a member of the campaign and, remember paul manafort was a chairman of the campaign at one point in time, then that will justify the probe hes asking. >> were told one of the questions roger stone would not answer in his testimony today was the name...

Questions roger stone would not answer in his testimony today was the name of the person who got him information from julian assange during the campaign. you interviewed stone. you asked him the same question. i want to play that. >> july 21st, wikileaks tweets theyve got the goods on hillary. id like to know if this is true. ive asked a friend thats a journalist, who has interviewed and has a relationship with him. and he comes back and says, yes, its confirmed and theyll probably release the i...

Information on several people involved in the trump campaign including michael flynn a former national security advisor. and were told by sources the irs initially had reservations as what were seen as far reaching requests. in the case of manafort the scope included possible tax and financial crimes dating back to january of 2006, ten years before the russian meddling of the presidential election last fall, don. >> so, pamela, your reporting also indicates this centers on the july raid of manaf...

Investigation, and there hasnt been a single public hearing with a fact witness, with somebody who actually has direct knowledge of what took place during the presidential election. and you go back through history, watergate, iran contra, white water, campaign finance, all those hearings in congress were in public. the public could see. and yet these hearings, the fact witnesses have all so far been behind closed doors. its very hard to see the justification behind that. >> very good point. and ...

Anything -- you walk in with someone either on the periphery or at the center of the investigation. heres how that goes. weve got tax information. it shows you dont declare tax information you dont show from earnings. you can either face a federal charge or you can talk to us about what you know. you make the choice. federal charge or you talk? hes got a hammer if youve got irs information, im talking about robert mueller. >> and what do most people in that position they say i want to talk? >> w...

Democratic presidential candidate, to assess her fitness. fitness for office. said nothing ever came of it but just interested in learning more about hillary clintons fitness for office. >> right. and you know, he also, according to the "times" said he was conflicted about having a meeting. we all knee his initial e-mail was he was excited, right? >> i think said, "id love it." >> yes. and according to the "times" if theyd given him information, which he said they did not and the meeting turned ...

I have not sat down and talked to him. tells you a couple things. afraid to speak for the president, enough experience five months in the president might tweet or say something completely different within hours. two, not sat down and talked to him about it? what kind of press secretary are you? not criticizing sean there. the presidents job, empower so that the press secretary is in the room, press secretary knows the apss to the questions and the press secretary can channel the president. your ...

>> i kind of map this out over the weekend. we now know that the obama administration had the intelligence and the information regarding russias other activities in the previous election. they knew it over a year ago. they had the information. if they took no action of significance on the information because of the election, convind that hillary clinton was going to win. instead, donald trump becomes the president of the united states. then we end up -- after they knew all this information and h...