it s a lot of things. there are only 24 democrats voted for the bill because a last-minute republican amendment turned off the democrats. it s a hugely embarrassing episode for john boehner. it doesn t bode well for the prospects of the house passing immigration reform. everybody thinks it s it s up to the leadership to push the bill through. steve israel is the chairman of the democratic campaign committee. you are a smart guy. i m going to appeal to you to look across the aisle and tell me who s calling the shots over there. is it boehner? is it cantor, mccarthy or some guy or woman we don t know their name who somehow speaks for 80 or so rambling uncontrollable tea partiers? well, thanks for having me on, chris. the answer to your question is it s a small cadre of extremist right wing republican who have hijacked their party and
immigration reform. everybody thinks it s it s up to the leadership to push the bill through. steve israel is the chairman of the democratic campaign committee. you are a smart guy. i m going to appeal to you to look across the aisle and tell me who s calling the shots over there. is it boehner? is it cantor, mccarthy or some guy or woman we don t know their name who somehow speaks for 80 or so rambling uncontrollable tea partiers? well, tachks for having me on, chris. the answer to your question is it s a small cadre of extremist right wing republican who have hijacked their party and hijacked their caucus. you know, we had what should have been a noncontroversial farm bill that should have passed with a bipartisan majority. they managed to take a noncontroversial farm bill and turn it into a partisan mess that failed. i cannot imagine what they re going to do with a controversial immigration bill. it shows that they continue to be incapable of compromise,
plan b or maybe plan c or d or e. kind of looking ahead to what s possible. this grand bargain that president obama had wanted all along seems unlikely but he s willing to accept something smaller. both chambers you re seeing some movement towards something else, something other than this grand bargain. and leaders are continuing to meet over the weekend. there are continued talks. i think the negotiations are certainly still valid and certainly still going on. nobody has walked away from the table. what s your sense. who has the momentum right now? is it the president? is it speaker boehner. is it cantor. is it the senate majority lead center who has the momentum right now? this is one of those moments where i don t to see that anyone has momentum. i think, you know, putting all these pieces together, if anyone has an advantage right now, i think it s the negotiations going on in the senate and
this. if you look at what is going on in europe right now, the reason they are having problems they re having there is they femaled to take the steps necessary to put the fiscal house in order. that is what america has to do and do it now. bret: straight up or down, how many votes can you lose on your side to get debt ceiling increased raised? it depends the package put together and how much the members know about it no way to make the prediction on any given set of assumptions at this point. you lost 59 in the continuing resolution. it seems like there is more than that number opposed to it now. i would agree. there are a lot of members who don t believe raising the debt ceiling under any circumstances. if the deal does not have major spending cuts, not now, not in the out years or does not include entitlement reform in some way do you risk
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