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and many cbp customs and border protection high-level officials have told members of congress and the public that they're concerned about terrorist and known as what we call k asts, known suspected terrorists, and people in the no fly list sneaking across the southern border because of the the volume of individuals that are coming and the number of countries are coming from. >> i mean, this is exactly what we've heard from republican critics of the southern border and how it's being handled at this moment is a concern that this something like this could happen and the system not working yeah, it's always a concern, especially when we would call them up the gottaways. so if you look at if one in every hundred thousand individuals who get away is a known as suspected terrorists. you can have dozens or hundreds of individuals that could potentially threats and so this is a wake-up call to all yeah. >> it certainly is marvin southern border. your connection broke up a little there at the bet, but a great point and we'll keep watching this denial, harvard. thank you for that. thank you all so much for joining us. state a news night with abby. phillip starts now republicans tried to eat their cake and have it too that's tonight on these nine good evening. >> i'm have you fill up in new york tonight president biden and his family are huddling together in delaware. after a jury convicted his surviving son on all three federal gun charges. it is the first time in american history that an immediate family member of a sitting us president was convicted of a crime. now the moment, of course, creates the split-screen of conservatives who just 12 days ago were slamming the rule of law, slamming the judge, the jury, and the verdict in donald trump's manhattan trial some even claimed the conviction was the end of the republicans. we know it but tonight, they seem to be singing from a completely different tune this is a new error in america, and i think it goes against the elc of who we are as americans and our faith in the criminal justice system in the end, this juror, jury of ordinary people from delaware, we're not intimidated and by that family and they recognize that this was a clear cut case and that clearly no one is above the law. this is a very political exercise. and you have to say that it accomplish what it set out to accomplish. but i would say this abet judge noreika, i think she ran a very fair courtroom. she ran a very fair brian, i guess we all need to shop at banana republic from now on because that's what it feels like. yeah, a banana republic for years, the bikes have been able to escape any legal accountability for their sleazy corrupt conduct but today they're luck ran out, at least hunters did. >> power is all they love. >> and they're willing to do anything to cling to it. they're willing to destroy the rule of law the republic has been wounded by week lawyers and talent less political bloodhounds gave me a little boost of confidence in the american legal system although they still have a lot of work to do to win me back, i believe that there was a conscious collusion of allies that came together it's pretty obvious with a private strategy to eliminate a common shared adversary, a hundreds going to jail. so joe doesn't have to and when he comes out, he'll be rewarded for his loyalty, like a made man and a biden crime family. this is a distraction from the influence, peddling and the kickbacks yes. >> these are two different trials under very different circumstances. hunter biden was federal trump's was not the crimes and the evidence all completely different. but you can't claim the justice system is dead because of a single conviction, while also praising it for another you can't claim president biden is weaponizing the justice department to go after his enemies. when that same department just convicted his own son but in a world of maga, perhaps you can prominent conservatives are trading baseless conspiracies, for another now they're claiming that hunter biden's trial was a sham to give cover to biden. >> charlie kirk. kirk says the democrats will use the conviction to claim that the system is fair. vivek ramaswamy, he calls it a smokescreen to deflect attention from biden's other crimes republican senator tom cotton says, it's a way to insulate joe biden who is guilty of corruption trump's campaign calls the case a distraction from the quote biden crime family. now remember, this is the same biden that conservatives claim can't walk, can't talk or think on his own but just so we're clear, biden has no power over a state-level prosecution but the same federal government that he actually runs just prosecuted his own son and the system we're supposed to believe is rate that just makes no sense we're gonna get to all of that in a moment. but first, tonight joining me now is reverend dr. christopher bolick. he is a spiritual advisor to light and family and the pastor at canaan baptist church in new castle, delaware. reverend, thank you for being with us. >> it's good to be with you, abby. god bless you. thank you for having me. >> thank you for being here. you spoke last night or before this verdict, i should say, with hunter biden how was he when you last spoke with him? >> he was upbeat. he was positive and but he understood the gravity of the situation and the nature of the trial. so he is well aware of what the possibilities where uncertainty disappointed in the verdict. however, things did not go on his favor does not mean that the favor of god is not a ban him. we believe that his faith is strong course is family is strong and width him. and i encouraged him to look to the heel from what's come at this help? all of his help coming from the lord. but he's focused and we know that things are going to work out in the end a hunter biden has talked about his addiction. >> he's talked about what that has been like for his life, but i wonder on this particular issue or the set of issues that he was charged, it has now been convicted of has he ever expressed remorse for what led to all of this? >> i believe that he's aware of every step of his journey and remorse is a part of the process therefore, he is prepared to move forward knowing that god is a forgiving god he has said in his own words that he has hurt people along the wake but we know that the power of prayer, the power family, the power of faith can change him and any situation listen, abbe this addiction issue is a disease this impacted millions of americans regardless of race, creed, or color, phd, no, d, g, d, md jd. this disease is real. and we know that it's a journey and it's a season in his life and this season will hopefully in, in a way in which we've been endured for night, but joy will come in the next season i cnn spoke earlier today with one of the jurors in this case. >> juror number ten, i want to play for you. what he said about the defense i felt i felt bad that they put naomi on trial on witness i i think that was probably a strategy that should not have been done no. no daughter should ever have to testify or again, sir, dad you know, this family wow. was it a mistake for the defense to put a hunters own daughter through that i think they had to make some critical decisions. they had a particular strategy and they were going for what would work for them, what would give them favor in the face of the jury at all? the judge at all who are concerned. it was painful. but we understand that the fence had a strategy. they believe it would work. and we know that this family, again it has gone through was going through a lot and at the end of the day, it's all about what's in the best interests of hunter and the biden family we saw those emotional images of president biden hugging his only surviving son can you tell us what this has been like for him going through this trial? >> a different kind of trial compared to some of the other trials that he's gone through in his life with the loss of his late wife and several of his other children president, my friend and brother is a man of resilience. a man of deep faith a, man who understands the hand of god when god's hand moves in, his life. and he said that, let justice play out and whatever the decision was of the jewelry, he would respect and accept the decision. but when i saw him come home tonight and embraced his son i saw the power of love let me say this. abby love is greater than politics the bible says, loves the more excellent way love indu, with all things, believes all things love is patient. love is kind and the script it talks about that. nothing can separate us from the love of god, the love of god is in that family our president and first lady. they love onto and we love him and we will continue to walk alongside him with the ministry of presence. my role has been the past of presence in the courtroom. we prayed three times in the courtroom. we brought the church house to the courthouse. we prayed openly we prayed, we hugged, and he knows the power of prayer and god always has the last word. and i just think something good is going to come out of this in the end. and god will use this moment for his glory on his own time reverend dr. christopher bullock. >> thank you very much for sharing all of that with us god bless you. >> thanks for having me abbe and for more. let's bring in our panel here, former clinton white house aide, keith boy can also with a cnn political commentator, s. >> e. cupp and reason editor at large, matt welch asieh, that at the end there is basically what the message from the biden world is going to be about this, which is that this is a story three of a family, a family like any other, where someone has messed up. and the father loves the son. nothing more. do you think that that is going to work in this situation? >> i think everyone can relate to some parts of this. >> i don't find a hunter biden to be a terribly sympathetic figure, not because of his addiction, but because he's messed up a lot. he's broken the law and i don't think he's been a great family man, but at the end of the day, this is someone sign that someone happens to be the president. and for the president to say, i'm not putting my finger on the scale for this one. i'm not i don't even want to talk about it. i can't imagine how you do that. i can't imagine as a parent, how you disassociate from that. and i think that will look very noble and good to a lot of democratic voters. >> there's also a possibility that this completely doesn't matter to voters at all yeah i'm one of the people who thinks it doesn't really matter to voters. >> hunter biden is not running for president and i don't know if that's a newsblaster. anyway, but donald trump was convicted and he is running for president hunter biden is a son of a candidate for president and the president himself refused as estee pointed, to, put his thumb on the scale of justice. he refused to intervene, he refused to stop the prosecution, refused to condemn the judge and jury. he refused to promise to pardon hunter biden after the conviction that's a stark and dramatic contrast from everything adopted. trump has done since donald trump has been on trial attacking everybody involved in his trial. okay. let me play this from the speaker of the house, mike johnson. he was asked by our own manu raju about the way that republicans are responding to a hunter biden versus how they dealt with donald trump. listen mr. speaker, you've been saying two tier system of justice for some time. >> here's the president's son being convicted on three counts. that undercut your client. >> it doesn't every cases different and clearly the evidence is overwhelming here. i don't think that's the case and the trump trials and all the of charges that have been brought against could have been obviously brought for political purposes. a hunter biden as a separate instance that's a separate instance, but the other thing about the hunter biden is that this is not the only hunter biden trial. >> we'll see. there will be another one. it come this fall. so are we going to go through the motions again? i'm saying everything hot? that happens to hunter is aboveboard. anything that happens to trump is not i think that the way that we should think about this is to try to get ourselves as individual consumers out of the non-stop political consideration. >> let's look for the republicans. there's at least one thomas massie. i saw him do this in congress today. say this is ridiculous. he, let's, we shouldn't be convicting someone and sending him to 25 years in prison for doing one thing, he lied on an application. >> there's no victim in this crime. >> there's no victim and trump's crime either, right? so if we we have a sickness of in the criminal justice system in this country, we have so many people in jail. >> we have so many victimless crimes. >> harvey solar relate the great civil libertarian writer has had a book called three felonies a day. that's the average that us very law-abiding citizens on this panel commit everyday because there's so much in the criminal code. right. so that puts everything up to the discretion. question of prosecutors. >> and we're sitting around and if we're republican, we cheered hunter biden getting locked up or a convicted for democrat would share donald trump, i say as americans, let's work back. >> is there a victim if there's not, let's stop sharing i listen. >> i'm glad it for ones we are talking about the ways in which perhaps this country over criminalizes people, 20 people in prison. i just never thought that it would come up because of donald trump and hunter biden. >> but let me just as a gun owner. >> okay it's a crime to lie on a gun application for a reason. and there could have been a victim to this crime that's why you don't lie on a form or purchase a firearm. there wasn't that's lucky. but it's bad for every law abiding gun owner when people break the law in an attempt to buy a gun. >> i mean, i think that should have been i understand both your points, but i thought the point matt was making surprise. i agree with you and this is that even if we think that that hunter biden did something wrong, he broke the law which the jury found that he did maybe we shouldn't be putting him in jail for them. i'm not sure if that's what you're making your knife. maybe you're making definitely a point. maybe you're making whether we shouldn't be prosecuting him. i think we should prosecute people when they when they violate the law, then maybe we shouldn't put everybody in jail and incarcerate everybody when they aren't found guilty. many people think have committed unlawful drug use while filling out a gun applicant probably 20 million. well, if they look at the number of gun owners in the number of people who smoke pot 20 million people and very few get prosecuted. almost all of whom who do have less material advantages than 100 biden does. are we thinking about that joe biden go to jail? >> i mean, he might not serve. >> i'm saying we shouldn't be prosecuting people who smoke, break the law, who break. we should i say, this is man, granted, this is a weird libertarian thing to say, but i think that if you would expect nothing less, if the victim is the government's yeah. and you smoke pot and it filled out an application. you can get punished and not go to understand to properly understand the gun the part i take very seriously. >> do you think that this is an example? look, i mean, if we're talking about tonight, okay. maybe the argument is donald trump would not have been prosecuted where he not president hunter biden, would he have been prosecuted where he not the president's son? >> i don't think he might have been prosecuted. probably not. and he certainly wouldn't have had this thing here where we discovered new felonies only after the plea agreement fell down. think about this, like months ago were like cool with him walking free. and now we're like maybe he should go to jail for up to 25 years this is also a trial penalty, right? this is the reason why 98% of all criminal cases never go to trial because they're always stacking up of charges to scare the bejesus out of you so that you'll plead guilty and then you'll walk or maybe you'll go to jail for a brief period of time. >> can i just ask a case i mean, i think that's a very good faith argument that we're hearing here for matt. would you even consider applying that same argument to donald trump in terms of the crime that he was convicted of, new york absolutely. i don't believe in i don't believe in incarcerating everybody, including donald trump i know i've never wanted to lock him up people i've said that as a joke on my internet feeds but for the most part, i don't think we shouldn't be blocking anybody got for nonviolent white-collar crimes are non-violent offenses in general, i think we should find other forms of ways to freak to treat with, to deal with the situation of crime without incarcerating people. and we don't do that. and our country where there's donald trump or hunter biden, let's be fair, but i agree with you on that. >> all right. well, we have a lot of agreement at the table here. i appreciate that everyone stick around breaking news tonight from the pioneers having mccarthy's revenge tour against her pop blinken's who ousted him, plus the justice department takes the extraordinary step of debunking one of trump's most common conspiracies. and as concerned for this plot, a second trump term, democrats are now making moves of their own for 2025. this is news well, it's hard besides dad is a legends that his legendary moves might be passed down to you. ancestry dna can show you which traits were inherited where they came from and who he shares them with? but get moving. this sale is only for a limited time, introducing new advil targeted relief. the only topical 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than expected and is helping the entire world the fbi reporting that violent crime in america has shown historic declines with the murder rate showing the sharpest drop they also come as a group of house democrats are now launching a counter to the infamous project 2025, put forward by conservatives that's the heritage foundation's plan for a second trump term, which proposes eliminating, for example, the justice department, the homeland security department, and the fbi. now, even though it's only june if democrats, for example, our delta good hand politically the question is, are they capable of actually playing it i mean this is the big question. if you've got an economy that is actually humming along, you've got crime that is going down that is a reversal of fortunes for democrats. and yet americans are still sauer. can they reverse that? is that messaging? is it something else? they're not feeling it yet. americans are not feeling this american economic large jess, they don't care that we're helping the world. most americans feel like i helped my my own bank account, helped my wallet helped me at the pump they're not feeling they're feeling more unsafe. they're not feeling like crime is going down. so the numbers are important. but you can't tell voters that what they're feeling is wrong. and so the messaging is very complicated for joe biden and democrats to say, look how great the world is. but i know you're still hurting on this stuff is like a lagging indicator in a way sometimes i actually don't know if that characterization is right. i see because according to the polls, i've seen, the public actually, they do feel that their personal economic situation is better. >> i just talking two according according to the polls, this is they don't feel like that the country has as a whole other, everyone else is doing as well, but they individually feel better about the, about their economic situation according to the polls, i say maybe i'm incorrect, but that's what i've seen. >> i think and i think trump voter one of the major reasons is they feel like this economy is terrible and inflation has been bad for them personally. >> well, i think the reality is that because people's wages have increased faster than actual inflation has increased, people have a stronger economic position and they would be otherwise we also know that more people have jobs 15.6 million people have jobs now for the african american community, we've had the lowest black unemployment rate in history. >> we also complaining about that. >> no you're not playing. i know i know. but i think also i don't want to be the person to make this argument, but i'm going to make it anyway. the media, we have a responsibility for his for doing this too. >> we can we continue to say this is reporting the facts. >> the economy is doing well or crime is going down. we say the economy is going well and the crime is going down. but this isn't really playing for the american people. why is it playing for the american people? because we keep asking this question the way that makes it a question instead of a fat, it is that the current that crime is going down. we're talking to the fact the kind of thing, but that's a direction as opposed to like an overall real-world thing. >> we had an incredible insane spike in the year 2020 in everything 2020, we lost our marbles and yes, things trend better since 2020, but a lot of people remember 2019 and that's not like a, like a trump nostalgia bit. >> they just remember when prices were different, when interest rates, which is a huge thing that almost never gets discussed about home prices. it is really, you can feel that and see that prices are just higher than they were in 2020 or 2021. and it's not gonna be good messaging to say you're just not understanding how great the economy you want to get to project 2025 for a second here, because this is something that i have noticed. i don't know if you've noticed this. i see a lot of more liberals talking about this. it's kinda wonky, but it's become real fodder for democrats to say here are the extremist plans for a second, trump administration is this a wound that republicans have opened up for themselves? >> no, it is an election year, democratic party branding exercise, and it's not actually very serious if your project is to stop pop bad people from exercising government power. >> if you were actually interested in saying, oh no, trump might be in power, we should do something. maybe you would've spend a minute. i don't know over the last four years or eight years, we're filling whatever timeline you want. actually reducing the power in the presidency, actually reducing power in government. i don't think elizabeth warren has been like, how can i reduce whose power in government? >> joe biden signed an asylum executive order last week that he knows is probably illegal that trump used that was thrown out by the courts because he was probably illegal. it's not about the use of the power is about the abuse of power and democrats don't have the power and have never had the power to be able to unilaterally make these decisions. because of the way you have a complicated system of government with the senate and the house and the filibusters know that. >> i think that the problem is that would project 2025 does is it takes us back in time. >> it reverses it reverses basic the 20th century. it takes us back to a time. the civil service rules don't apply. where protections for lgbtqi people don't exist, protections for women don't exist protections for minorities and immigrants and african americans don't exist. rev, voting rights are decimated, would become a christian nationalist country. and this is all weaponized because donald trump has no policy issues that he talks about. it just talks about his personal grievances. it's the only thing we have to go on is project 2025 and the heritage foundation and the conservative scholars who are putting this out there are letting us know that this is the plant they will implement if trump is elected. >> well, i'm just glad that democrats are taking this seriously because i hear a lot of denialism from the left people who say the polls aren't wrong. joe biden is going to win, don't worry about this. i am glad there are democrats in the house who are very seriously considering what will happen when trump wins. yeah, we will see what kind of turnout mechanism this product 2025 turns out to be for democrats, keith asieh and matt. thank you all very much. and extraordinary step for the doj. now, disproving a conspiracy theory, i'll explain what the attorney general merrick garland said about that next. plus liberal tv host rachel maddow says that she is afraid the trump who jail her and other americans. bryan stelter joints plus results are rolling in now when key states across the country tonight, we'll have the latest on tonight's primary elections just to the most anticipated moment of 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including this one that the biden administration coordinated with the manhattan da's office by sending an official there to target trump and now joe biden has weaponized law enforcement to interfere in our elections. >> matthew colangelo. it colangelo's should know. >> he faces years in prison. this was planned from the biden white house, is top person called angelo and some others i've been placed into the da's office to make sure they do a good job of election interference. >> the number three under merrick garland at the department of justice, he left that cushy job at the department of justice to go be a line prosecutor in a city office that shows how coordinated this is. >> these are all biden trials because let's call angela works for biden. >> can you imagine they take a guy out of doj and they put them into the attorney general's office and then the manhattan da's office. >> to go after trump. >> alvin bragg, who not only met with joe biden, joe biden's lawyers in the white house. he took one of joe biden's lawyers from the department of justice to have him bring this case back collegial was obsessed with trump before mac collegial worked for letitia james michelangelo knows that democratic operative, he seems obsessed with trump. so now he comes back there to revitalize this case. well, angelo is a radical left from the doj, who was put into the state working with letitia james. and then was put into the district attorney's office to run the trial. hello. against trump. >> give us the communications if they exist, if they don't tell us, but he won't say which leads anyone with common sense to believe there was communication going on all right. >> well, let's talk about those communications according to the justice department, they don't exist in a letter to the judiciary committee, the doj says that they looked and there was a 00 email communication with the manhattan da's office nor any communications between colangelo's and the da's office? the doj calls their effort to dispel these conspiracies as extraordinary, which seems now like the new normal joining me is brian stelter. he's the author of network of lies. he's also a special correspondent for vanity fair brian, is there any amount of fats? given right to congressman jim jordan that would change this web of conspiracies, web of lies. lies, and there are not, there are not. and it's because of what cast sudden see wrote 15 years ago for the harvard law review, he said, this self-serving the self-sealing quality of conspiracy theories is what makes them so dangerous for government directed attempts to puncture the conspiracy theory causes the people who believe it to just fold all of that does debunking into the theory itself self-sealing. that's the problem with these theories. >> i want to play when we had dr. phil on the show and this came up but just listened to this exchange you really think that party politics don't cross state lines federal versus state leinz, that there aren't meeting some people talk about this and make decisions about what's best for the party if you think that there aren't politics that goes into some of these decisions. i think that would be a naive position while luck, all i'm saying is that there's no evidence that that happened one way or another. he doesn't have any proof. he said it right there. i mean, the dpp sayyed that you saw me take there. i felt like i had to take another one now salted when i would walk is very difficult to rationalize when the people you're talking to acknowledge there's no there's no there there. >> and it's interesting to think about what is dr. phil doing? why is he motivated in that way? what is jim jordan thinking? i think they're trying to make sense of a complex world. conspiracy theories help simplify complexity, but they do so by taking shortcuts and real world and real life with real-world thinking, there are no shortcuts that's these guys are trying to take shortcuts, trying to use code words and buzzwords and propaganda in order to satisfy an audience by taking shortcuts. and there are no shortcuts in this real complex. >> we're just as a point on civics. the complexity is the point that is actually how the system is designed to work so that it doesn't get rigged up so that i do want to move on to what msnbc host rachel maddow has said she said in an email to cnn's reliable sources i am worried about the country broadly if we put someone in power who is openly vowing that he plans to build camps to hold millions of people into root out what he's described in sub-human terms as his enemy from within for that matter, what convinces you that these masses the camps, he's planning are only for migrants. so yes, i'm worried about me, but only as much as i am worried about all of us she she makes a point that this is not just about migrants if he's really to do it for them, why not you or me are the enemy of the people are joe schmo walking down the street. but this has been shorthanded as matt, i was afraid which is gonna be thrown in jail. >> and unfortunately, her comments were nuance and thoughtful to cnn. a lot of the dialogue, i think ever since has been anything but nuance and thoughtful. she's raising something important i think it's valuable to think ahead to what may happen in a second trump term. this is frankly speculative nonfiction because we use the words that trump and his allies have said, and we use them to talk about the future future jail, of course, is a extreme part of the spectrum. imprisonment is an extreme part. but think about irs audits. think about government pressure on media companies. think about other forms of government interference. there are a lot of pressure points and frankly, rachel maddow is not the only member of the media thinking about this. i've talked to the heads of news organizations, ceos, and media companies that are thinking through not in dramatic fashion, not because they're afraid of going to jail, that because they want to know what could trump due to use his power in the second term to punish the media. and it's also now a real question whether the voters actually take that information and believe in i also want to note that that a great interview with matt i was conducted by our own oliver darcy over at reliable sources, you're hold stomping grounds. >> bryan steck, that she's bringing it up because we need to think through these issues even though it can sound a little bit out there talking about it. yeah, absolutely. bryan stelter. thank you very much and polls have just closed in nevada where a key senate races now up for grabs. we're going to have the latest results coming up and also coming up next, our new audio from justice samuel alito, liberal activists lauren windsor shares new excerpts from her secret recordings live night 11:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn devastating and sudden power of tsunamis happened in faraway lins, and it's easy to think. >> it can't 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republican at this particular point. for them to get control. but i want to also take a look at some other cute primaries let's go to the palmetto state, south carolina where trump made a bunch of endorsements as well. we'll go down to charleston. and what do we see here? nancy mace, who of course is kind of gone back and forth with trump, right? but he endorsed her this time around. of course, kevin mccarthy was on the other side of this particular battle, but nancy mace with a very wide margin, 57% of the vote, way more than needed to avoid a run-off. she is going to win that republican primary. there are much stronger performance. then she had four years ago, let's go up to greenville in the north west part of south carolina this is a very interesting race. were william timmons, the incumbent, has been sort of angered some freedom caucus folks, donald trump though endorsed him right now. we have not called this race to my knowledge, but blamed timmons does in fact have an advantage right now of a little bit less than ten percentage points. so this could be trumped two for two on the evening. and of course, trump's so far has not lost a single race in which he's endorsed into their the congressional sayyed of the group and notorious but one other interesting house race that i'm going to take you to. we're going to go away from the south and we're gonna go to the north. we're gonna go to ohio and we're gonna go to the youngstown area. and what do we see here? this is a very interesting race, right? we see the republican. he has won their 55% to about 45% for the democratic candidate. but what's the key thing that's going on? yeah, this is a very republican district. trump won this district by 28 points. and of course this margin right here is a little bit less than ten percentage points. this is another example of these special elections were democrats or app performing their 2020 baseline, i think democrats are hoping when actual people vote come the fall that 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fireworks, separation, or any other anxieties, thunder shirt can help. thunder shirts find at retailers like pet smart and petco my next guest has spent his entire life trying to lift up the poor in this country. >> and he's co-authored a new book called white poverty, how exposing myths about race and class can reconstruct american democracy reverend william barber is a professor and founding director of the center for public theology and public policy at the yale divinity school. he is also a spokesperson for the poor people's campaign. reverend barber, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you so much for having me in this book. >> you focus on the depiction of poverty in this country. >> how we talk about poverty, how we show poverty, and you say that black people on the edge of poverty, they're called pour, while white people in the same low-income situation are called working class and getting rid of those stereotypes you argue would help people of all colors, all colors, and races. how would you say that? that would actually happen well, first of all, what we hope to do in this book, and i hope to do is to take to america. >> the way we measure poverty in government official power measurement is, is a lie, it's distortion, it does not count all of the poor. i want to see america deal with all of her pool. we're talking about 135 million people were talking about 41% of adults and over 50% of our children and the fact that the matter is they're 26 million for low wage black people 60 some of black population. but there's 30% of white poor people. and that's over 66 million when you, when you, when you frame it as being poor people or black, other-focused but working what you're doing is dismissing millions of poor and low weight white people. and it has been down through history, a form of mythology designed to keep black and white people from working together who really are allies and unified when it comes to the experience of poverty in this country. >> reverend barber, i want to ask you about something that i'm sure you've seen. this is representative byron donalds. he's been making some pretty stunning claims about black people during the time of jim crow and even just today, he doubled down on it when it comes to the social welfare programs and he says are hurting black people in particular they don't want to acknowledge that jim crow was, was, was an era ushered in by democrat politicians and a south who still wanted to segregate and subjugate black people in this country. >> and they also don't want to acknowledge that is lyndon johnson's great society also heavy democrat policy? that actually lead to fathers not being at home i wonder what your responses to that well, he's doubling down on ignorance. first of all, democrats of that day were not the democrats are today have today, and republicans of that de, well-linked republics, they're not, we're not kind of trump and other republicans today. so let's give it back, but more so what he's dismissing its the same mythology to suggest that the war on poverty was just about black people went. in fact, the war on poverty cut poverty in a major way. and most of the measures in terms of raw numbers help white people, particularly white people in the south the king said in 1965 to the greatest feat of racist oligarch or the puppets like this young man is the fear of a mass number of four and poor white folk coming together, reframing the voting electric in order to change the economic architecture of the country right now in this country, 295,000 poor low-wage people that every year, 800 a day that we cannot dismiss, that, we cannot say that is all right. the fact that we can have presidential election after presidential election debate, after debate, and not even talk about 135 million poor low-wage people who by the way, makeup 30% of the electorate and non battleground states and over 40% in so-called battleground state. poverty is an american crisis. i'm arguing in this book, let's talk about all the poor, how it is contrary to our fundamentals about democracy, like establishing justice and promoting the general welfare. let's talk about the 55 million people who make less than a living wage in this country. and let's start fixing policy. to abolish that is unnecessary scourge of poverty low way that does not have to exist in the wealthiest country in the world. >> yeah, you know, the idea of building a coalition based on class as opposed to race, has been around for a long time. i mean, going back to reverend jackson's rainbow coalition famously tried to do that, but one of the interesting things about this era is that you see this unique dynamic happening in the election where the white christian right has really we attach itself to donald trump, and that has been the frame by which they look at american politics. i want you to listen to what congresswoman marjorie taylor greene said just a couple of days ago in las vegas the democrats in the fake news media want to constantly talk about, oh, president trump as a convicted felon. what you want to know, something the man that i worship is also a convicted felon as a as a pastor, as someone who is a student of history, what do you make of this worship of the former president among the evangelical christian right? >> most mostly hey, the white christian right. >> well, first of all, i don't call it christian is religious nationalism. that's the first day because you wouldn't be applying white is the operative word. >> secondly, you can't talk about christianity and not be concerned about the poor. the first sermon that jesus preached, he said, you must preach good news to the poor and, jesus was crucified for standing with the pool. he was crucified for lifting those who are on the margin. that is not in any way comparison to what trump is doing, but more importantly the most of those folks that she's talking about are not the poor, are poor, and low wasteful. this is a moment in history that we say, we can no longer allow an american crisis to be marginalized or treated like an anomaly and that's what this book is about. it's about the stories of pot from appalachia and folks from the east kentucky that cannot be denied or dismiss. >> yeah, that often don't get told. that's fascinating what you're saying there again, the book is called white poverty. how exposing myths about race and class can reconstruct american democracy. reverend dr. william barber. thank you very much for joining us thank you and thank you for watching news night. laura coates live starts right now tonight a. >> new batch of secretly reported audio supreme court justice samuel alito, the activists behind the reporting's will share it with us in just minutes from now, plus, hunter biden convicted the new reporting about the reaction from inside the trump campaign and say it ain't. so why joey chest that's reign as one of the top dogs at coney island is coming to an end. 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just for the summations now, you can't bring the president there for the whole trial because people say, well, doesn't he have better things to do than sit here for a week, but for summations for a few hours, it would not have been inappropriate to do that's interesting. >> so you think a president biden being in there would have been helpful? i'm sure that discussion was had between the biden family and abbe lowell and they decided against it. >> and i can understand there are reasons to decide against it, but if you do bring the president there, it does show respect for the system that he's there sitting as a father interested in the fate of his son, but he's not there. and you would have to acknowledge it. he's not there as the president of the united states he's there as the father of hunter biden? >> yeah. >> i mean, it is remarkable. abbe lowell going 90 minutes today with the jury was closing their eyes and some points. is that a bad sign look, it's it's not great, but you can't read too much into that. >> yeah. >> we're not us to bill, we will be waiting to see if there is verdict tomorrow. thank you for joining us tonight. thank you all so much for joining us, as well as we continue to monitor all the news here at cnn, seen a news night with abby phillip starts right now the donald trump, his rally diehards that's tonight on these good evening. i'm abby phillip in new york, another american first, the convicted former president who is now running to oversee the country. again just met with his probation officer in just moments i'll speak with abc news anchor and former clinton white house insider george steph monopolists will get some unique insights into what a second trump term may look like but first, a play-by-play of what donald trump said in las vegas let's set the scene for you. the heat spiral 200 degrees. six people were sent to the hospital two dozen others were treated at the scene call it the heat or donald trump feeling hot under the collar. but the content of this rally vero wildly into topic after topic. now, some that actually might matter to you the voter, and others that matter to donald trump. and maybe no one else. so here is an incomplete sampling of what you heard. if you happen to have stood in that rally and sweated through all of it starting with a joke about voters i don't want anybody going on me. we need every voter. i don't care about you. i just want your vote. i don't care these are the range that dumb guy is that dumb son of a he's a corrupt, very dumb person. he's a low iq individual, is just something missing and there always has been this guy just hit enter, it goes to the beach the time somebody thinks it looks good in a bathing said, i don't think so and he has that little chair that weighs about like seven ounces. it's been so children can lift it and very old people can lifted. and you know what he's not old he's incompetent. it's weak, it's in ineffective, it's both. >> what he signed they're totally destroying our black population. >> they're totally destroying are hispanic population. i pay all this money to teleprompter people and i'd say 20% of the time, they don't work. i don't pay contractors that do a job and that's a job that's a job you can't read all right what would happen if the boat sank from his weight and you're in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery. >> and the battery is now under the water. and there's a shark that's approximately ten yards over there by the way, a lot of shark attacks lately did notice that those j6 warriors, they were worries, but they were really more than anything else. they are victims of what happened. all they were doing is protesting a rigged election that's what they were doing. and then the police say go and go in, go in water, set-up. that was what a horrible, horrible thing. and you know, that blows two ways. if we win nevada we win the whole thing. i hope the military revolt set the voting booth and just says we're not going to take it. he should take a drug test because i'm willing to take 20 me now is george stuff annapolis, abc news anchor he is a veteran of the clinton white house, and he's also the author of a brand new book, the situation room, the inside story of presidents in crisis. george, it's great to have you on in this book it chronically on avy, it critical six decades of crisis management from the situation room a place that you know well from your time in the white house, one of the interesting things is also these interviews with officers who were in the situation room on january 6. this is at a time now when trump is actively running to be back in the white house, and fundamentally change how the government works, how the so-called deep state works. did you hear any concerns from these duty officers about what a second trump term would mean for the kind of continuity that the national security apparatus has relied on for all these years. >> absolutely i mean, duty officers and others who served in the trump administration worried that the institutions would crumble. >> i spoke with them. >> wait us situation duty officer named mike stigler, who is actually on-point on january 6, and he said people have to understand how close we came to losing the vice president at the time. >> and he was horrified by this also horrified by the fact that he and his fellow officers in the situation room that they had to start implementing the continuity of government procedures which were designed to make sure that the government survives a nuclear attack. they were put into place on that day because of the threat to our institutions on that day as one of course, president trump famously never called down the situation room even once all during january 6. and you know, you talk about it's not just how close we came to watching our institutions crumble that day the ongoing threat is real. i mean, look at what happened just saturday night in las vegas when the president, former president uk, called the january convicted felons from january 6, those who rioted on january 6 and tried to block the peaceful transfer our he called them warriors who are somehow set up by the police. he's called them hostages. he's called them patriots. he's promising to pardon them. he's not promising to divide by the results of the next election. so this, this pass thread is very real right now have you ever seen, i mean, in your research and your time in government anyone run for office, really running against the very government that they are supposed to be? >> overseeing absolutely unprecedented abbe absolutely unprecedented. >> we have never had a former president or a presidential candidate who refuses to accept the peaceful transfer of power, who refused to say but he will buy by the constitution who's been indicted. and impeached for trying to block the peaceful transfer of power that is something that is absolutely fundamental to our democracy is one of the things that's made our democracy work for over 200 years. the idea the simple fact that the former president continues to lie about the, about the last election that he did, whatever he could on that data block, the peaceful transfer of power is absolutely unprecedented in all of our history and you, on your show on this week, you've had some of these trump vp short listers on there some of the other hosts of this week have also had them on. >> i want to just play a little bit of what they've been saying on television of late i think there were problems in 2020. >> yes, i do. do i think it was a problem that big technology companies working with the intelligence services sensor, the presidential campaign of donald trump? yes governors, governor you, you have said the election should wasn't stolen and you're supporting someone who says it was well, i know that we've got certainly we've got irregularities do you get the sense that this is one of the requirements to be on that shortlist you don't get the sense it's out there is plain as day. >> i actually talked to senator jd vance who is reportedly on the shortlist. as well. and every indication he gave was that he would do the same thing that mike pence, that he would not do what mike pence did in 2000 i mean, it's certainly seems to have become a requirement for those who are running to accept president trump's lie. former president trump's lie about the last election to suggest that he did nothing wrong. now on january 6, to say that somehow that is not an important issue at this point. and to suggest that it was actually vice president pence who did the wrong thing in 2020 i mean, this is just again, this is astonishing. we've never really had a former prison isn't it run before? whose own vice president refuses to endorse him because of the actions he took on those days. >> yeah. yeah. i mean, that alone has says maybe it says it all as a journalist, when you have these potential vp, a candidates on the show, you've had them on, we've had them on the show here. they rarely, if ever for concede ground this seems to be also another litmus test for how to be in maga world. i mean, is this the new reality for this this maga era of politicians that they don't back down when they're confronted with fats perhaps it is, but i think that's, that poses a test for all of us in journalism as well. i've made it a point if they will not accept those facts, i don't go on to other issues. i'm not going to go to participate in some kind of a sham where you somehow equate the legitimacy of an election or the peaceful transfer of power with a debate over tax cuts or environmental regulation. if you can't pass that fundamental threshold of saying yes, the last election was not stolen two, i will abide by the results of the next election then i think that's all voters and viewers need to know. i don't think if you're willing to lie about something as big as that, why should anything else they want to talk about be given any credence it's such an important point. >> i mean, we've got a vice presidential debate coming up right here on cnn. i later this month as a journal phyllis does american what do you think is the most important question that needs to be answered from both candidates who won the last election yeah, very simple. yeah. and won the last election. >> let's just let's let's discuss and debate. and we'll see, i mean, luck, week. it's been asked by donald trump. he refuses to answer it correctly, but we'll see what he does when he's given that opportunity in front of 140 million people it says it's a little bit different than on a stage like that. >> yeah, i when it's an actual debate, but that's it's a real test. >> i do want to play a little bit of what the vice president kamala harris has been saying, actually, on this very point, i mean, she seems to really be taking this issue on head-on. >> donald. trump openly tried to overturn the last election and now he openly attacks the foundations of our justice system. >> cheaters don't like getting caught it's a different tone than we've seen from harb, but it also speaks to that question that you just raised if trump doesn't pass the truth test on that issue, is there room for the biden administration to even move on to some of the other stuff, maybe the bread and butter issues, maybe the economy do you think that they are? settling on this idea of a character test for donald trump on this issue. >> president president kennedy, i have to do it all, but i mean, i think that is the threshold question of this election. certainly the biden campaign is going to have to address voters concerns about the economy, voters concerns that inflation, those are important as well, but it it is fundamental, as i said, at the start part the very question of whether or not you accept election results, whether you accept the peaceful transfer of power, that is an absolutely fundamental issue that people should be confirmed runaway as they go to make their choice in november when it comes to the potential of a trump administration. >> i mean, what do you think his conduct on january 6 tells you about what he might do next? not just around the election, but just in general he's saying what he would do next. he says that every single day he says he would pardon what he calls the january 6 hostages. he's talked about retribution using his justice department as an as an arm of retribution. he's talked openly about dropping the prosecutions against themselves. that's an active obstruction of justice in and of itself. it's no secret when president trump says he wants to do something, we should take a minute as word george steph, novelist. >> thank you very much. again, george's book, the situation room is out right now next breaking news about trump's legal issues here. what happened inside of his meeting with eight probation officer ahead of his sentencing? thanks. plus one of trump's allies gets a 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no other the now convicted former president did, as other helens, do he met with a probation officer prior to sentencing, but that's where the similarities stop. at the differences get real. >> trump got to have his lawyer, todd blanche in the room, a special accommodation not afforded then to the average defendant and it's one of the few notable examples of how the legal system really bent over backwards for trump, where it would not have for others, ten contempt violations normally merit more than just a fine. >> nobel restrictions for a defendant of his means. also, an anomaly carefully choreographed search of his home to spare them from having cameras capture agents of the lawn of the law wearing fbi jackets. that's a nicety really given to no one else joining me now are robert gray who was counseled to then president trump during is first impeachment. and dante mills, he's a civil and criminal attorney and a law professor at temple this leaves school of law, dante, this probation hearing lasted about 30 minutes. we're told what kind of information are they trying to get from trump. >> let's just walk through. everybody understands the purpose of this and why they do it most times, judges don't know the defendant these trials happen. normally their day or two. the judge doesn't get to know the person they're going to have to sentence. so what you do is you have an investigating officer come in, ask questions about the person's background, get an understanding of who they are, where they come from, who their family is, what kind to jobs they have. and then they present a report to the judge who says, based on this report it's going to influence my decision one way or the other, or it won't because it's pretty standard so it happens to everybody, but we do it to a former president of the united states. everybody knows who he is already. so it's not necessary. i don't think in this case, but you have to go through the process of why why have his lawyer present? >> i mean what's the concern there are the on trump's part. i don't know so about new york state practice, but i will say in federal practice is actually typical to have a lawyer present during the pre-sentence interview. in fact, it's almost always ordered by the judge upon request of the defense. >> them from saying anything that might hurt them. >> right. particular well, not so much that but particularly in a case that goes to trial where the defendant has an appeal. i think the concern always is to not talk about the quote, unquote, instant offense, meaning the offense of conviction because you might say something there that potentially could jeopardize. and i think everything else. and so that's why the lawyer often the lawyer is there to just simply she and i've done hundreds of these essentially two let me handle the discussions as your lawyer with the probation officer about the offensive fine line between wanting your client to be forthcoming and not be obstructive against the person trying to get information, but also not crossing the line is saying, but i did this or slipping up is saying something that can be used against them, being obstructive to the person trying to get information is definitely something i would be worried about with trump. i mean, just in general that judge merchan is going to weigh who is donald trump, which everybody knows to a certain degree, but also the lack of remorse here, frankly, in this case, i mean, ultimately, how does that all come together to influence the judge's decision and sentence? >> i think the judge knows what he's going to do, but he'll get this regard. i think he's already made up his mind, but he'll get this report and he'll see what's in this report and he may use that to justify something if he wants to put trump in jail, he'll say well, trump wasn't forthcoming. look at this report. he didn't even provide this information if he wants to give them probation, he'll say, well trump was he was cooperating with this investigator. so this is a sign that he's learned his lesson and we don't need to put them in jail. i think this will be used to bolster whatever sayyed the judge wants to lean on. >> you think the judge is already setup, set his mind to some decision here you know, i honestly don't. >> i think that obviously all judges have views about a case, particularly when they've sat through a trial about what they might do in the event of a conviction at sentencing. but i do think the judges take very seriously, both in guilty plea cases as well as cases that go to trial and result in a conviction in evaluating a third parties let's review which is the probation office of the defendant's personal characteristics and history and the investigation that they conduct. they're very good at it. i have found judges don't always agree. they don't have to agree with what they're probation office recommends, but i imagine the probation office will recommend whether or not in this e felony case a sentence of imprisonment is warranted or not. >> generally, i would say that in this particular case, i don't know if we're going to find any or learn anything new about the former president trump that we don't. and the judge doesn't know are ready, so i do want to move on just briefly to what's happening down in florida with judge aileen cannon i mean, she's got a lot of emotions to deal with. she dealt with one issue today hey well, one-and-a-half let's call it that one of them was whether or not to throw out some of the counts against donald trump sheet ruled against that, but she did say that this so-called talking indictment in which the prosecutors laid out this description of trump's handling of classified map and how he talked to somebody and his camp payne about it. she basically said that was unnecessary and she struck it from the indictment what do you make of that? >> it is something that judges, federal judges increasingly, i have seen as a defense lawyer have problems with i mean, they they don't try to trim the sales of the government too often about speaking indictments but they do expect that speaking indictments, if they speak speak to facts that the government expects with some degree of certainty will be offered into evidence and received into evidence at trial. and this was a situation where i think the sense was that was excised from the indictment was problematic. the judge hasn't ruled on it yet. it may or may not. this is other similar acts evidence but not conduct that's actually he wasn't part of the charge charge and that's shouldn't really be in the diet payment ordinarily unless you're pretty certain that the judge has made a ruling. >> but to trump's handling of classified documents, which is the gate does but i'll tell you why this was put in there. >> the prosecutors who bought this case knew they were bringing a case against the former president of the united states, and they will be scrutinized all right, people are going to go through with a fine tooth comb and i believe they want it to include things that would pass the smell test for anybody reading this indictment, they threw extra facts and air. so if you just read the indictment on its face, you said, oh, they have a case. oh, they have a reason for bringing this forward. so i do think they went overboard a little bit. i understand why they did it i also don't blame the judge for saying all right. just take this part, striking it does that have any impact on the case at all? >> the indictment is welcome to things. one is the jury will be specifically instructed at the beginning of the trial during trial and at the end of the trial that the indictment itself is just a charge and it's not evidence of anything. but it is fairly often the case paste that judges will allow the indictment into the jury room. not all judges will do that but in federal cases, some judges will. and so you don't want anything in the indictment that the jury really shouldn't be in a judge is going to take a look. important thing is the jury instructions. the judge is going to tell them what the law is, what they have to base their decision on. think that will be more important than the indictment itself but she was right for cleaning up that indictment and just not having facts that may or may not come in. >> that case is a slow moving train. but here we are. robert ray, dante mills. thank you. both for being here. and next, the man who was once known as america's mayor posing for his second mug shot in less than a year, who knew giuliani biographer joins me live plus y giuliani decided to call fani willis a hoe at eight christian event alder james is cold, calculating, cynical, and needs the money not only was the cia compromise he also was compromised secrets and spies, a nuclear game. >> sunday at ten on cnn my husband and i own a growing beverage company. >> we rely on e-commerce and digital tools it's a build our business and launch new products thanks to 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insurrection in washington and now you can add yet another mug shot to the list on the left. this one is from georgia last year, and on the right, that's the new one from today in arizona, where he pleaded not guilty to charges of conspiring to overturn arizona's election, joining us now is andrew kurtzman. he is the author of giuliani the rise and tragic fall of america's mayor. that is exactly the topic of conversation today because i mean to mug shots in a year, for any rational person that would be extraordinary for the man who used to be he thought at one point he could be president of the united states, america's mayor. i'm in quite the fall. >> will anyone who was around the 80s or 90s saw a giuliani even long before he was america's mayor. he was the most famous law man in america, right? he was a crusading prosecutor. the united they southern district and manhattan, the scourge of wall street wall street crux and mafia bosses and the, the trajectory of giuliani's career is just, it's pretty extraordinary. i mean, with trump and giuliani long ago, we've lost the ability to be shocked by then, but those mug shots of giuliani or a jaw dropping, if you know who he was, someone back then who had such a reverence for the law. he saw that court system as his church someone who has now been reduced to that. it's pretty tragic. >> and on top of that, i mean alaa man, that's a perfect example of the image that he portrayed himself. and yet in this arizona case, he was literally running from the law he literally tried to escape being served i mean, that's the rudy giuliani of today would be completely unrecognizable of the giuliani of 20 years ago are 30. >> there's, there's no question about it. i mean, his fall it's not that he's had a toe just a career collapse. he said a total moral collapse as well. he is just a shadow of him self and today or tonight, i was listening to his nightly webcast and there he was railing against joe biden and hunter biden engaging and character assassination there's a certain kind of almost fanaticism to him that's caused him to do as much as as much damage as he done and also to be a shameless about it. >> and it continues, i want to play for you what he said at a christian event about the georgia district attorney fani willis then i've got to prosecutors fani the whole i'm sorry i mean, what what what is there to even say anymore about comments like that, right? i mean, it's horrible. it's horrible, and it's it's not just, you know? portable character assassination, which is kind of bint as hallmark all the way back to his prosecutorial career but it also is a complete undermining of who he wants was as someone as i was saying, who had such reverence for the law that he you're talking about a person almost became a preece when he was a young man, he saw the court system as kind of that kind of similar moral kind of adjudication area where you declared right from wrong i mean, look look at them now. i mean, 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ttac at the white house. >> and this is cnn religion and politics to dinner table conversations you are supposed to avoid. >> but the mixture of those two is one that donald trump is happy to use as a cudgel to attack democrats just listen to the presumptive republican nominee arguing why voters should choose him in november we can't afford to have anyone sit on the sidelines now is the time for us to all pull together and to stand up for our values and for our freedoms. >> and you just can't vote democrat. they're against religion there, against your religion in particular, you cannot vote for democrats and you have to get out and vote what makes the comments notable are where are they happened, which was in front of extreme anti-abortion group, the danbury institute wants to outlaw all abortion, even in case of rape and incest. >> they also claimed that abortion is never necessary to save the life of a mother. the group also so opposes ivf treatments to help women get pregnant. now remember, trump and says that he doesn't want to ban all abortions. and he says that he supports ivf. but today, he told those anti-abortion activists that he'll stand by there, sayyed side-by-side with them joining me now is republican strategist joe opinion, former communications director for vice president kamala harris, jamal simmons and former press advisor to speaker john boehner, more gillespie, joe. this is probably a strategy of no one is going to pay attention to what trump is doing, but we're paying attention. why would, why would he do that? >> look, i think we have to two issues here. do you have an issue with your organization? do you have an issue with the message? i think we'll start with the message. >> i mean, i think the issue is does donald trump believed that abortion should all be illegal? this group believes or does he believe what he says? he believed the president has been quite clear that he does not want you have a federal ban, i think has been very clear on the fact that he wants you have the issue remain with the states and so either we can take him at his word or you don't. >> it's quite clear that people want you tie him and tebor him to the organization. and all of their beliefs. it is quite clear that we are in the business of coalition building here in american politics. if you have an issue with the coalition, you can bring that up on the campaign trail, but it is interesting to me that we never asked democrats you disavow any of their supporters. we never asked democrats to affectively find the most extreme elements of their party and then answer questions about them. this only happens with people on the political right. and so i think that, that look, i think i don't think that's true. i think that's what comes up all the time. democrats are always asked, they are i say disavow, i didn't blanche. there's a difference between asking whether you agree with the issues and then saying, what do you have to disavow the group? i think again, the broader issue here is is the democratic party, a party that is hospitable to the beliefs of christians. i think there's plenty of polling that shows that there has been an erosion of faith in america. but there is a greater arose in the democratic party. and many of the policies that they're advocating for them up to democrats. this is a place where you guys are completely off base because the democratic party is fueled by african americans, particularly african american women who are the backbone of large christian churches all over america and so if we take a look at where the democratic party stands and the teachings at some i'm a child of a minister. and as the teachings of jesus feeding the hungry clothing, the naked, taking care of those who are, who are needed and dispossessed that is quite right in the middle of the home plate of the democratic party platform. so i think that make the argument is an argument that is being made on behalf of a various particular subset of christianity that in historical terms, has not been on the side of african-americans at all because that part of the christianity has been on the side in the old days, slavery segregation i mean, he remembers very different. we want to have an ala carte conversation about religion short democrats like you pick and choose when they want to go down to the black church, like kathy hochul and get their anointing and say that i am not here to be the mother of all 62 counties that she's going to be a were all her apostles. there is a real serious conversation. democratic party, where if barack obama goes to boston it says that we have some people worshiping god and the blue states and awesome gotten the blue states. but when eric adams goes and says that i believe that god's plan for my life has led me to becoming mayor. he gets mocked. he gets mocked by the media. he gets mapped over there when we have all of those arrays. also, i just i don't want to lose this in the conversation. it's important though it is donald trump describing, first of all, your religion, i thought that he described himself as christian, but then to say that it is against your religion, christianity to vote for democrats, that seems like crossing a line. >> but i also think, what just happened here too is you're saying you guys down trump is saying all democrats, your blanket statements. that's what's frustrating i think to there can people as these blanket statements assuming that all democrats think like that all republicans think like, and that's an accurate. and so donald trump did here is interesting because he's pandering to christian conservatives, but yet his lifestyle, we know violet plates most, if not all, the commandments that he, you know, that the christians abide by but that's all trump. that doesn't speak for all republicans, not all republicans believed to ban abortion. and not all republicans want to attack women. just like i don't think all democrats are pro palestine and not all pro-hamas. i don't blanket statement that because i think that's a frustration in politics. political perspective. i mean, you talked about the big tent. i i think that's that's one way of looking at it. but from a political perspective, donald trump trying to argue he understands abortions of political problem for republicans. he's trying to argue, he's not the extremist president. he's not going to have a national ban, but then to go before an organization that is even to the right of the right on this issue, it does that really undercut his message giving democrats an opportunity? >> it does get their request an opportunity, not just because he's talking to this group i mean, he he made i think he's being extreme, but all the extremists think that he's extreme enough for them, right? he is the president who took credit for pregnant three supreme court justice on the court, who got rid of row, who helped the end roe v wade protections for abortion. he wants credit from groups like this about getting rid of abortion in the country. and if he's going to take credit, that means he also has take the blame from 60 5% of the country who has decided that we are four abortion rights. they are for women having the freedom to exercise control over their own bodies. and if he's going to take the credit, he also has to take well, i would agree that there are individuals who will be offended by the choice of the venue. and so if democrats want to raise that as an issue that is fair game in politics, but that does not deal with the fact that again, we're not having this conversation to your point when we're talking about people on the brooklyn bridge yelling from the river to the sea. palestine will be free, which is a call for the eradication of us people. we don't have these same, i think would disagree with you i don't wanna i don't want to belabor that point, but definitely i don't i do not think that is an issue that the democratic party has to own, right? >> it's becomes those are those democrats that is not indicative of who we are as a party. i think it is disingenuous to sit here and pretend that we don't have a senate majority leader for this nation that has gone and undermined benjamin netanyahu. it is disingenuous to say that we don't have a president than on one day said you're going to support israel on the other, de said is going to get rid of funny, i click, i get this is a completely separate issue, but my point is that if we're going to have people own a particular faction of their base and which do what across the board. and we're here having this conversation about abortion because it is clearly an issue the democrats think they can run on. and the only issues they can run on its abortion on monday, abortion on tuesday, january 6, on wednesday, and nothing else. >> abortion on monday and abortion on tuesday worked pretty well for them particularly in 2022. so more, how do you see this? >> republicans are going to struggle as we have on this issue of women's rights. >> when we talk about abortion, we fail to talk about the resources that aren't available to women who are now in these states that are being told they can't do ivf, which i'm sorry if you want women to have more children, ivf is a wonderful opportunity to do that. >> so you're banning things like that. and you're not giving them the resources, then to have children to support women going to those appointments. having children is expensive. childcare is expensive. we don't do anything about that conversation. we stop and i think that two things can be true at once. you can believe in the sanctity of life, but you can also believe in medical freedom for half the population of the places in this country where it's the most difficult to have an abortion. it's also the most difficult to raise a child. it's a good point more, joe and jamal. thank you all very much for that conversation up next for us, the olympic rings, they're officially unveiled in 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the team. you'll see that someone is notably missing yes. caitlin clark was omitted from the list and social media didn't take kindly to that. so should she be on the squad joining me now to unpack all of this is cnn contributor bob costas christine brennan, our friend on the show here and usa today and broke or so unless she broke this big story she won't be on the team. is it a snub or is this just the way ago? well, there are no rookies on the team. >> they're all veterans. if you wanted to make a case, you could say diana taurasi, who is an all-time wnba great. been in the league since 2004 for two decades, 41-years-old has five olympic gold medals already you could say you could put caitlin clark on in place of how you could make that case, but caitlin clark, other people would make that caitlin clark herself says, i get this 100%. >> i'm young, i can work toward the next olympics and an olympics after that caitlin clark has faced some resentment for a variety of reasons. >> people, according to whatever narrative they want, want to attribute everything to one thing, whatever it is. but as we discussed last week with carrie champion, it's a combination of things, but say anything you want about caitlin clark. she in addition, they should understand this high tide of caitlin clark is raising all boats as you just pointed out, in addition to that, she has done everything the right way. she said i don't know what an apology from kennedy carter is just the way the game is. and then she praised carter's play. she says the game is rough. i've got to adapt to that. she signs every but a graph. she doesn't whine and complain. she didn't complain about being left off the olympic team. some of this, and it's just not just a white, white thing, but maybe she is in terms of attention now that but many white stars in the league over the last quarter century, maybe there's some similarity between her and larry bird when larry bird came into the nba, there was some skepticism all he was fine in college is a white guy, can't be that good. it turned out he was one of the all-time greatest players, one of the ten greatest players conservatively in the whole history of the league when dennis rodman, who's always been a little crazy, said, if larry bird was a black guy, just be an average player, everyone was up in arms, right? here's what larry said. i don't care. let's just play he defused the whole thing. he warned everybody over by just being about basketball and caitlin clark, i think has been not just a really good and exciting player. she's been a classy person to this point and good for her. yeah. actually, let's play what caitlin said about being left off the team honestly, notice appointment like i think it just gives you something something to work for. you know, that's a dream, you know, hopefully one day i can be there and think it's just a little more motivation you remember that and, you know, hopefully in four years when four years comes back around, i can be there and honestly likely she will. >> i mean, just so people understand bob me what you were just talking about. this is what the olympic team looks like in terms of their accolades. i mean, you've got wnba champions, you've got all stars because you've got olympic gold medalists, you've got people who have basically been at the highest levels playing at slav a for a long time already. seems that she understands that she understands that. >> and what coaches and players around the wnba have to understand. i think most of them likely do yeah, i understand the resentment they'd been there a long time. there are many good players. she's getting a disproportionate amount of the attention, but none of that is her fault. some of the resentment toward her has a racial element in it. we'd be naive to deny that, but some people want to make that the entire narrative as we discussed last week with carrie champion, some of this is is carrier said as stacy dales of espn, who played in league happens to be white, she has said, hey, we've been around a long time notice, not just our excellence, but it's a physical game. now, we have to make distinctions. what kennedy carter did against caitlin clark is outside the bounds. it should have been a flagrant foul i'll they upgraded it to that last week. i made the point that when alyssa thomas through angel reese to the floor, that was involved two black players had it been caitlin clark and alyssa thomas and thrown her to the floor? everyone would have made that a racial incident and only a racial incident i did a bad job, however, on context because that was immediately called a flagrant two. and alyssa thomas was ejected, plus it was on a small cable outlet and not viewed as widely as kate, right like kennedy carter, caitlin clark thing was out of bounds and it's pretty clear that for whatever reasons kennedy carter harbored some resentment toward caitlin clark, whatever the cause. >> i mean, one of the things is that all these kind of new fans right to the gay are coming in and everybody wants to be a sports analyst of the wnba and they've just now started watching and they're not even watching all the games, apparently. right. and when people say in a simple-minded way, oh, she's a white star. there have been many, many white stars over the years past and present. there's breanna stewart now, there was rebecca lobo sue bird, sabrina ionesco, who almost batch steph curry in a three-point shooting contest this past february at the starting name, what is it about caitlin clark? it's not just that she's white. steph curry stood out from other great black stars in the nba because he played in a way that was appealing and relatable. shooting from the logo, dr. jay was more appealing and brought in more fans and his teammate moses malone, who was a three-time mvp because dr. jay's game was more flamboyant. michael jordan wasn't just great. he was fun to watch caitlin clark is fun to watch. >> yeah. and she is going to be a star pretty much no matter what do you think she'll ultimately be an alternate for the olympic team? >> i think he could be. i think that's possible. and the concern that because she'd be reserve and she wouldn't play that many minutes and therefore, her fans would be up in arms just put the point out there, educate them it would help the

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