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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20121224:22:26:00

is really going fully operational, terry nichols is withdrawing more and more and more. so there s several occasions where nichols is supposed to meet mcveigh and he just doesn t show up. you know, it ultimately comes to a head on the sunday before the wednesday bombing. i mean, he calls this guy up. the guy s barely sat down to dinner, get your butt down here, do it now. he put the screws to him quite a bit. and nichols was afraid of mcveigh, and with good reason. he knew that mcveigh would stop at nothing at this point to get the crime done. they drive up to oklahoma city. they drop off the getaway car. at this point, there s a lot of fury between them. they re barely talking as they drive all the way from kansas to oklahoma city and then back again.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20121224:23:44:00

brain around that. once he built the wall, that was it, the mission is done, get over it. it seemed like he hated us instead of us hating him. it seemed like he was angry with us, like we had done something to him. he hurt us. tim hurt us like nobody else has ever hurt us. it was like something evil possessed him. i think if he had just said, i m sorry, forgive me, i think i could have, but he didn t. more than two years after the oklahoma city bombing, a federal jury finds timothy mcveigh guilty on 11 counts of murder and conspiracy. on june 13th, 1997, mcveigh is sentenced to death. to any realist in that situation, you pretty much know they re going to get the death sentence regardless of what

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111029:20:28:00

two, was the shot heard around the world, april 19th, 1775. the spark that started the american revolution. so that was another grandiose way of saying how important his actions are to those in the world, compared to everyone else s. his actions mark him a place in history. he matters. people have compared oklahoma city to pearl harbor. as far as the impact of a psyche on the american people, that it was a surprise, it was a shock to the nation and all that. one of the chief intentions of it was the same as dropping the bomb on hiroshima. and what was that? hit them hard, by surprise and heavily. you know, to say, listen. if you don t knock it off, there s more of this to come. [ male announcer ] this is lara. her morning begins with arthritis pain. that s a coffee and two pills. the afternoon tour begins with more pain and more pills.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111029:21:26:00

and i was watching the tv, and of course i m absorbing it without pretending i m not, pretending i m worried about being arrested and all this stuff. that s when he caught his first glimpse of the murrah building, and his first reaction was, damn, i didn t take the building completely down. so he s got that in his memory when he goes up to the holding cell. mcveigh was just wondering, do they know i m involved with the bombing? i don t think they know. he sits in that jail waiting to see if they re going to figure it out or not, but, you know, he s not going to help them. in a way, i think what s really going on is mcveigh does essentially plan on being caught. he wants the credit for this. he wants to be the oklahoma city bomber, but he s not going to help them at all. it s some kind of weird game he s playing with law enforcement. mcveigh waits all that first day to be identified, but nothing happens.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20111029:21:11:00

cab of his rented ryder truck. now loaded with 7,000 pounds of explosives, ready to ignite. he had initially intended to bomb the building at about 11:00 in the morning, but he finally decides at the very last minute, despite all his talk about how he had ever detail of the plan worked out, he decides he has to go right away, there s too much of a chance of being caught. he actually leaves at about 7:00 in the morning. mcveigh carefully pulls the truck on the highway, heading south on i-35 toward oklahoma city. i believe he was getting antsy and didn t want to take any chances. he was probably worried that somebody might blow the whistle on him. he had the whole route mapped out from previous trips to oklahoma city. he knew exactly how he was going to get to the murrah building.

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