should end up, considering the right to openjustice, reported should end up, considering the right to open justice, reported justice, the seriousness of the case. judges aren t robots, there will be people who disagree quite intently with a judge came to, but it is a broad discretion and you are not going to start tinkering with the court of appeal with the discretion to do that. in cases very often where there are contempt orders made, then there are contempt orders made, then the media will be heard, but that will be one of the interests the family of those involved in the case, and it would all be out in the open by the age of 18 anyway because you re not dealing with the youngest of children. you keep talking about this balancing act between naming killers, especially younger killers and, as you say, they are due to turn 18 and not much time, 12 18 months. what else would a judge have to take into consideration? because it is not only the family of the victim, but the fam