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Spokesman for the justice department o department, also an msnbc justice and security analyst. carol, start us off. what are the facts? >> so the facts when it comes to this informant, which the president was referring to as a spy -- which is not a spy. it is not someone whos inside of his campaign. is that during the campaign there was at least one informant or as it technically would be called, a confidential human source because this was a counterintelligence investigation, who approached at ...

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Judiciary committee that "the f.b.i. had a human source inside the trumpmp campaign." ok, that was way back in 2017. dont forget last week, former cia director turned cnn hack while national intelligence director, james clapper, actually said that trump should be so happy the f.b.i. was spying on his campaign. really? united states of america or venezuela? take a look. >> so i ask you, was the f.b.i. spying on trumps campaign? >> no, they were not. they were spying on a term i dont particularly ...

Nbc kelly odonnell is at the white house for us and pete williams joining us from the news room here in washington. >> rudy giuliani doesnt make any fwobones about it. >> reporter: in my conversations with rudy giuliani hes talked about the necessity for the trump legal team to know as mump about the fbis use of an informant prior to the president submitting to any interview should this come to pass. they want know what was included in documents that would typically been the reports based on any...

The first time testifying behind closed doors in front of the house government oversight as well as the judiciary committee. he is important because he was the the boston fbi agent peter strzok who was removed from the russia case because of anti-trumped bias that was shown in his text messages with another fbi official,isa page. he arrived here on capitol hill about three hours ago and he has been testifying behind closed doors. lawmakers say a central line of questioning is about the alleged c...

The information out by congress. will they ever admit there was a spy? >> its made up. i dont know where hes getting that from. >> do you find that to be possible or probable? lets play devils advocate that there was a spy inserted into his campaign? >> i dont find it possible and i know it not to be true. >> its typical of mr. trump to mischaracterize. some label someone as a spy when they are a confidential human source is doing a disservice to the individuals and the fbi. judge jeanine: like ...

Candidate himself. why not tell the guy who is president of the united states. we think russians are trying to infiltrate your campaign. why not give them a defensive briefing. that didnt take place. to say he doesnt like the term spy. what else can you call it? it was someone from the outside contacting people associated with the trump campaign to try to get information. if thats not a spy, i dont know what is. judge jeanine: i think it was comey who said its not a spy, a confidential source. h...

Will they ever admit there was a spy? >> its made up. i dont know where hes getting that from. >> do you find that to be possible or probable? lets play devils advocate that there was a spy inserted into his campaign? >> i dont find it possible and i know it not to be true. >> its typical of mr. trump to mischaracterize. some label someone as a spy when they are a confidential human source is doing a disservice to the individuals and the fbi. judge jeanine: like most of liars they cant keep thei...

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At the defense department, that is a fine thing. >> reporter: tonight the white house is reiterated the president is serious about the meeting. >> the president is not looking to just have a meeting or a cheap political stunt, he wanted a long lasting and real solution and if the meeting takes place on june 12th or july 12th well be ready and do whatever is necessary to prepare for that. >> reporter: as uncertainty looms over the potentially historic summit, the president is sewing more confusio...