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the policy. >> nor is he selling it to his own -- >> good advice to president trump from senator santorum. that's it for "the lead." i'm jake tapper. tune in for "state of the union." my guest will be samantha b. it all starts at 9:00 a.m. eastern. i turn you over to "cnn tonight with don lemon." thank you for watching. >> this is "cnn breaking news." breaking news. north korea tests a ballistic missile in a show of defiance against growing pressure from the trump administration. are they also testing the new president? this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. pentagon officials say the test failed, the missile growing up over north korea territory. the launch coming hours after president trump warned of a possible major conflict with north korea. meanwhile, tomorrow marks the president's 100th day in office. the stakes are high for a president who made a lot of promises and has been feeling the pressure to deliver. how does he feel about holding the highest office in the land? we'll discuss all of that, but i want to begin with north korea and go right away to cnn international correspondent will ripley, the only western tv journalist inside the country. also with us from the white house, our senior white house correspondent jeff zeleny. i'll start with you, will. good evening. a u.s. official confirming north korea test fired a ballistic missile. this comes after president trump warned of a, quote, major, major conflict. what are you learning? >> hey there, don. yeah, we are not hearing anything from north korean officials on the ground here in pyongyang. in fact we informed our government contacts about this attempted launch early this morning. given the fact it is believed to be a failure, it is likely north koreans will never hear about this. i have been in the country where attempted missile launches have failed, it is never announced on the state media. if it was a success, there would be photos with the leader kim jong-un. we know it reached an at tut of about 44 miles. while it didn't go as far as they wanted it to, they gain a lot of valuable intelligence even if the missile launch is a failure. you can expect more launches to come. in fact, officials have been telling us this week. also they say the world can expect more nuclear tests as well. >> to jeff zeleny at the white house. what is the white house saying about this? >> don of. >> reporter: don, we know that the president was briefed on air force one when he was flying back to washington and he has not said much about this in an official statement from the white house they said they were aware of this. but then, of course, about an hour or two later he went to social media and had a message. i think we have it. he said this. he said, north korea disrespected the wishes of china and its highly respected president when it launched, though unsuccessfully, a missile today. bad. don, his advisers, also foreign policy advisers called it a provocative move and are keeping an eye on it. it is interesting to note the official statements coming from the white house are not saying much at all here. the u.s., the white house is hoping that china will step in here and sort of ease any rising threat from north korea. but, don, it is one of the biggest threats facing this president and, you know, he has been talking about it most every day, giving briefings on it of course every day this week and most of his presidency. >> jeff, by the way, the president is commenting tonight on his new plan, tax plan he released this week ahead of his 100th day in office. what is he saying? >> reporter: he is touting his plan. don, interestingly, this is first time he has talked about it actually. he had a big -- his white house had a big release of the plan on wednesday but he did not speak about it at all, but in an interview with fox news he was talking about the fact that it would help everyone including the middle class, not just higher income earners. let's watch. >> you keep forgetting to say that the biggest beneficiaries are the middle class people who have been absolutely hurt. >> your critics are going to say, well, real estate companies like president trump's company will benefit along with the middle class. will it make you harder to get the big cut in the middle? >> if i'm individually playing 35%, i will tell you that's more -- okay, i'm going to end up paying more than i pay right now in taxes, all right. i will pay more than i pay right now. >>. >> reporter: but interesting, don, he said he will pay more than he is paying right now but the reality we do not know how much he will pay because he has not yet released his tax returns. once the tax discussion becomes more developed on capitol hill, that will be a refrain from democrats and others saying, where are your tax returns. the white house, of course, says he still has no plans of releasing them. >> jeff zeleny at the white house and, again, will ripley in north korea, the only western tv journalist inside that country. if anything happens, we will get back to you in this broadcast, will. i want to bring in cnn political we have talked about it -- is that he -- there is a struggle within the trump administration over the extent to which the bannon-trump ideas should prevail. so this is not just a story of the short comings of donald trump the leader, this is also a story about the strength of the system that is actually preventing some of the crack pot i tes fr ideas from being realized. what we learned about him as a leader, he has a short attention span. he wants wins. he is willing to change on a dime if he doesn't get what he wants the first time, he will switch his policy entirely. finally, once again, he is unwilling to admit error. none of those things are surprising given the campaign, but what is surprising is that he hasn't changed in 100 days in office. >> the question is, mark preston, given everything timothy just said, there is the tendency in this administration to brush that criticism and the reality off as an alternative reality when it certainly shows knew. i just don't think -- i don't think he had a clue. i think one of the things that's interesting to me is how after the first 100 days and people have dgone through their variou stages of grief and have come to the acceptance point, people are saying, well, you know, it is not so bad. you sort of say, well, why do you think it is not so bad? people say, well, we haven't had an apocalypse, we're still here, we haven't been bomb. i think that there is this tendency to talk about the new normalization, but the second is that it is not normal. >> sally, it sounds like to me you're saying that he's saying, i can't believe people bought this because maybe he didn't even convince himself. >> i don't think he did. this is why i think everyone is in shock. i think he is really horrified at the situation that he's in now where he has to make these decisions, and if you look -- i mean people voted for him because they thought he would be a strong president, but the fact is that he has turned out to be so far as i remember the weakest president we've ever had. >> okay. >> if you look at the way he changes his position, one right after the other, somebody just has to say, that's not a good idea and he goes, okay, well, forget nafta, okay. >> as they said, i forget who said it, if you want to have influence on the president in policy be the last person to speak to him, the last person in his ear. hold those thoughts because i want everyone to stick with me. when we come back, what lessons has the president learned so far and what's ahead for the next 100 days? 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"no football on sundays has left me with a lot of free time, so i've constructed a sanctuary for local squirrels." try watching the nfl draft. maybe watch with a friend. or doctor. tremendous disadvantage in the electoral college, you know that, tremendous disadvantage. and to run the whole east coast and then you go with iowa and ohio and all of the different states, it was a great evening, one that a lot of people will never forget. a lot of people. not going to forget that evening. >> so he's -- anyway, i'll go on. i mean he's like -- he's -- it is like yearning for the day, like that -- you know, the good old days which were just, you know, a couple of, three, four months ago. i mean actually it was a little longer than that. that was today. there's also at this reuters interviewed he passed out a map of his electoral college win to each reporter. mark, i don't know, can you explain why he's so obsessed with this? >> a couple of things, don. he used to do the same with you, right? >> he would give me polls. >> he would show you the polls. >> i thought it was unorthodox, unusual, but at least he was in the middle of the campaign and he wanted to show me what he was doing. the campaign is behind him. the election is over. >> right. a couple of things. oe is he's looking in the rearview mirror and sitting in the driver's seat and not looking at what is in front of him necessarily, or if he is, he is being distracted which i guess it is probably more of the latter. he is distracted by his own successes because it gets under his skin that people don't think he's the legitimate president of the united states. he gets so frustrated by that. the fact of the matter is that he is the legitimate president of the united states. >> why does he think people don't think they see him as -- >> because democrats continue to this day to say that the election was stolen and the russian interference -- >> the whole russian thing and electoral college win. >> correct, all of that. here is the problem. as tim said earlier as we were talking, the fact is he's the president of the united states. he has a lot on his plate. >> right? he needs to be successful. to do so, don, he needs to start listening to people outside the white house, people who have been in politics before because the fact of the matter is this is a very difficult job, and he did acknowledge that himself. >> okay. i need to go quickly, guys, if you can. brechity is t brevity is the key because i want to get you all in. tim, would you say president trump is the least knowledgeable president in modern history, because remember nafta, he was shown a map according to -- you know, about nafta and on and on. >> listen, presidents don't have to be able to do well at jeopardy, that's not important. what's important is that they have a sense -- a theory of governance. they don't need to know trivia but they have to have a sense of how to govern and a sense of the federal government. donald trump doesn't understand the size of the government and he doesn't understand some of the ideas he campaigned are mutually exclusive. which is why this past week when he thought about getting rid of nafta, he says, you know, if you undo that trade deal american farmers will be in trouble. he said really, i had no idea. what we are facing is a president who has taken tough and very vocal stands on things he actually doesn't know anything about. that is troubling. >> okay. if we -- doug, if we think back to congressman elijah cummings, he says he told the president that he could go town as a great president if he represents everybody, but robert kennedy jr. said something similar. listen to this. >> i think donald trump can be any kind of president he wants. he actually has an extraordinary opportunity because he's coming into office less burdened by obligation than probably any president in our history, with the possible exception of andrew jackson. i think he could be the greatest president in history if he wanted to. >> yeah. doug, do you see the president bringing folks who disagree with him into the fold? how does he turn things around? >> yeah, i disagree with a lot of what has been said here today. i think he's been very successful in many areas. i think he has turned around the economy. i think he has turned around illegal immigration, which has dropped like a rock even without the wall. he is the wall. i think he's turned around the supreme court. those are the three things that's the people who wanted him to win voted for him, that's why 96% of them still support him and why he would beat hillary clinton in a poll that just came out two days ago if it was head-to-head again today. so i differ a little bit. i also differ with the idea that presidents are stupid. i have been hearing that all my life. abraham lincoln's cabinet, fellow cabinet officer used to write letters to his wife and refer to the president as our dear imbecile. people think that these presidents just fall into office. it is just like a throw of the dice. i have been inside the white house and i can tell you they're highly calculated. some of my journalist friends can't believe some of the stories i tell them of how issues are parsed, political issues and what political discipline these people have. i agree that he's out of the box, and that's what robert kennedy jr. was talking about. that gives him an opportunity to offer solutions because he thinks differently and he's breaking the dishes and throwing over the tables. that's kind of what i wanted to see. >> well, sally, as i said, he's unorthodox. but, listen, the economy, whether he has turned the economy around, i think some people may want to argue about that. the border wall and immigration, many people believe he should get credit for that, and also the supreme court. he did get a nominee. he got someone on the supreme court, whether you want to argue whether it was mitch mcconnell or the president, it still happened under his watch. what do you say, sally? >> i don't see that he has bit a border wall yet or solved the immigration problem. he did get gorsuch in, and i suppose that could be the one thing you could say he has accomplished. i don't think you can be a successful president if you have no ideology and no convictions and if you don't have a moral compass. we know that he's ethically challenged because we know that he doesn't tell the truth a lot of the time. i think that ultimately that is going to prevent him from being a good president, not just not a great president but a good president. i think that the inconsistency that he shows, particularly in the way he deals with every aspect of government has got people terrified, particularly our foreign friends and enemies. i mean the foreign leaders are all completely terrified because they don't know from one minute to the next what he's going to do and what he thinks. i have talked to a lot of the ambassadors and they all say they don't have a clue, and so what they've decided to do, one of them told me actually tonight, what they've decided to do is not pay attention to what he says. they've told their home offices that because they can't believe what he says. >> well, for our adversaries it may be good they're terrified of him, but for, you know, our allies not so much. again, it has only been 100 days and let's home it is a learning curve for him and a learning period and he has learned from the last 100 tays. thank you all. i appreciate it. when we come you back, morgt of north korea's missile ballistic launch today and how the world is reacting to trump's presidency 100 days in. first a loot -- a look at this major moment, dropping the mother of all bombs on isis on day 84. uhhh. and i was wondering if your brokerage offers some sort of guarantee? guarantee? where we can get our fees and commissions back if we're not happy. so can you offer me what schwab is offering? what's with all the questions? ask your broker if they're offering $4.95 online equity trades and a satisfaction guarantee. if you don't like their answer, ask again at schwab. that they need is not to hit a target on the other side of the earth. that's the normal flight direction for an icbm and that would normally be the case. but they can launch a satellite into orbit and it can be a relatively low orbit. the first thing we ever launched in space was a satellite, that's actually easier to do than to hit a target on the other side of the earth. and if that satellite contains a small nuclear weapon and it is detonated over someplace, say the united states, it can be devastating to the electric grid. so we've got a bigger problem than that he might go beyond launching something into orbit and be able to hit a target on the other side of the earth. it might take him a while, yeah, that's okay, the longer it takes him the better. but he may have more up his sleeve than that. he may be able to detonate something inside a satellite that is in orbit, and that is extremely troubling. >> michael len, to you now. this missile launch comes on the heels of the president telling reuters the u.s. could have a major, major conflict with north korea. the president tweeted this, saying, north korea disrespected the wishes of china and its highly respected president when it launched, though unsuccessfully, a missile today. bad. how do you respond? >> i think the president is putting north korea at the top of his foreign policy agenda, and, again, in the tweet you see him trying to put the chinese first in recognition that they have the most sway, the most power, the most economic links over the dprk. he is trying to say to china, hey, listen, the calculus has change wille changed. we are no longer going to sit around in a policy of strategic patience. we are going to ratchet up the sanctions and appreciate jury and, as the secretary of state said, all in an effort to try to get them to the negotiating table. but first let's change the cal can you lose. let's change how things have gone so far. i think it has been an appropriate period of ratcheting up the pressure. look, we have a long way to go. we haven't will solved this in 20 years, we haven't going to solve it in 100 days, but so far so good. >> kimberly, the north koreans have been conducting massive live fire attacks for days, including a simulated attack on the white house and the capital, as well as on what appeared to be the ucc carl vinson. could it back fear and prompt him to launch an attack on south korea. >> that's what some are saying. they're saying the president's tweets, the president's recent interviews are irresponsibly skating the line, going possibly far enough to goad kim jong-un into doing something he doesn't mean to. today to see them launch this ballistic missile oraa tem atte launch this ballistic missile was a disappointment for the trump administration. secretary of state rex tillerson offered a carrot at the u.n. today. he talked about possibly be able to return to talks if they see some sign that the kim jong-un regime will move towards denuclearization, but not demanding all-out de nuclearization. they also mentioned at one point the u.s. gave millions of dollars to the north korean regime to help its people and basically offered that. that was, according to a senior administration officially spoke to, that was an intentional signal to north korea there is a way out of this military confrontation, and they didn't take it. >> yeah. all of this happening within the00 -- within 100 days, that 100 day mark is tomorrow, tomorrow, ambassador woolsey, whether it is confronting north korea as we've been talking about, dropping bombs on afghanistan and syria. these first 100 days of the trump administration, the foreign policy has been aggressive so far. can you tell us what the end game is? is there a trump doctrine? >> i don't know that there is yet. there may never be, but i do think there are two bright spots. one is that he's selected very able people as his senior people in the national security area, jim mattis at the defense department, several marines who served together as chance would have it in afghanistan and iraq. and also he seems to be able to step back and have a second look at things. he started out being very interested in a cordial or better relationship with russia and very tough on china on trade. over the course of the last several weeks he has migrated toward a more collegial relationship with china and a tougher one with russia. i happen to think that's the right way to go, other people may not. but i think he's thinking through these issues and learning from how things are going and making decisions, and that's good. >> mike allen, let me ask you about the missile launch from kim jong-un. what that his answer to the u.s. threat, and are we on a course that could become difficult to reverse? >> i wouldn't put it past him. look, he always engages and the regime has historically engaged in quite belligerent, aggressive behavior. i wouldn't necessarily say we're on a run away train towards a military confrontation. look, we are taking a calculated risk here in the united states in that we're artrying to up th pressure on north korea and china simultaneously. i think we want to avoid war at all costs, and the only way to get out of this trap that we're in and that we've been in for so long is to try and get the chinese motivated to take action. i think we've said to them basically so far, listen, we are prepared to put very tough sanctions on your banks that do business in north korea and give you a strategic choice. would you rather work with the united states or would you rather continue this relationship with north korea? these are the choices that we need to force upon the chinese. this is the calculus shift that we need to usher into the calculus with north korea. look, it is not without risk, but to do nothing like we've done in recent years in the long run is much riskier. this is the path we have to take, and i think the president has shown some remarkable resolve so far. >> thank you. unfortunately we are out of time, everyone. when we come back president trump speaking to the nra, telling them the eight-year assault on gun rights is over, but could he change his position on guns? 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[ cheering and applause ]. >> no longer will the government be trying to undermine your rights and your freedoms as americans. >> so, ben, why the need to give a red meat speech to the nra? >> well, i think for the last eight years a lot of gun owners like myself have not felt comfortable with the government and there has been a very clear message from the past administration that bee were coming after many of the guns we thought you shouldn't be able to own. and so it was appropriate for this president to go into the nra and to assure their members and assure others like myself that are gun owners that, hey, you don't have to worry anymore, i'm going to protect and defend your second amendment rights instead of coming after it and trying to take away those rights from you. again, i think it was a smart decision to go to this meeting, same way it was for ronald reagan. >> okay. can you name any legislation over the last eight years aimed at taking guns away? >> yeah. i mean there was multiple times that the white house after pretty much any type of school shooting that they had or any other type of mass shooting that they had, where they said, we're going to come after ar-15s. they had to bring in guns, get approval to bring them into washington to put them on a board when dianne feinstein and others were trying to go through the litany of guns that they were going to try to ban. they worked on that and they didn't have the votes to do it. they did it it almost every single year when barack obama was in office except for maybe the last year, and every time they came up short. they claimed it was the nra's fault. they said that the political will wasn't there. they said how many more people are going to have to die, but ultimately a lot of times when they were claiming that guns were evil and bad, they were guns they just didn't like the paint color and didn't understand how they worked. >> jason, can you name any legislation that took people's guns away? >> no, because let me just translate from what ben was saying. the answer that he meant to give you was no, because that didn't happen. that's just some stuff. >> it failed. >> everybody made up. no, the truth is that what he doesn't want to say is the same thing that the nra doesn't want to say. they don't want to say the word background checks because the majority of americans want that. furthermore, as somebody who took on the nra in missouri i can tell you that nra members disagree with the nra on issues like background checks. so what i guess ben is talking about is after a bunch of little children were killed the president decided it would be a good idea if criminals and terrorists and the mentally ill didn't have the same right to buy a gun as the three of us. you know what? i think the president was right about that. >> not true. the nra came out and talked about having mental illness background checks and having help for those with mental illnesses and having transparency. >> they made a show of it. >> they didn't want to show the gun show loophole or internet sales and you know that. >> can you explain to me what the gun show loophole is? explain to me what that is? >> you can go and find a purchaser. it is where the same background -- >> that's not accurate. what state are you talking about? >> i can't explain it, all right. >> no, what i'm saying is you always use. >> ben, if you're going to ask him a question -- >> if you're going to ask me a question, ben -- >> you have to give him time to answer it. >> he doesn't want to hear the answer, don, is because the truth is that the nra is not an organization about the membership or about rights. the nra is an organization that is about profits. as somebody who has run for office, i can tell you when you get your candidate questionnaire from the nra what it actually is asking about mostly is not the rights of citizens. what it is asking about is the rights of gun companies to sell guns. it is about selling guns. >> that's not accurate. >> it will do that even if it means selling guns. >> go ahead. >> let me say this. have you been to an nra meeting of any type at any point in your entire life? >> no. >> okay. so i have. >> i have never been to an nra meeting but i come from a state -- >> i have been to about 75 of them. let me finish my point. i've been to about 75, my dad is in law enforcement, i grew up around guns and used a gun twice to save my life from people who shot at me. >> i was in the united states army. i'll stipulate we both know about guns. >> don't act as if somehow you know what the nra does when you have never been to one single meeting. the nra and the millions of members they have would say -- >> yeah, i will will -- >> let me finish. >> i will will. >> would say they represent them well. if they didn't they wouldn't have millions of members. when you say they only represent their own pockets, which is not accurate, or they only represent the gun lobbyists, which is not accurate, they represent people just like me, average americans that actually have a gun and want to protect their right to own it. >> go ahead, jason. >> okay. >> quickly, please. i'm almost out of town. >> the reason the nra is against criminal background check, against reasonable reforms -- >> they're not. >> and -- and the reason their members are disagreeing on it is because people -- >> that's not true. >> -- people have experience of talking to frank lickliter ks like i have. i spent time with sandy hook survivors. people understand that you shouldn't have the same right to buy a gun if you have a criminal record or if you're a terrorist. that's what this country overwhelming majority of americans including nra members include. >> thank you all. i've got to go. i'm out of time. sorry. >> thank you. >> when we come back, late night tv getting the last laugh on the trump administration night after night. w kamal bell joins me with the best of late night laughs. first here is a look at a photo-op. late night comedians had a field day. this was day 22 in this memorially longhand shake with japan's prime minister. kevin, meet your father. kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin trusted advice for life. kevin, how's your mom? 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"no football on sundays has left me with a lot of free time, so i've constructed a sanctuary for local squirrels." try watching the nfl draft. maybe watch with a friend. or doctor. united states of america but first let's talk politics. first 100 days of this presidency has been a real boom for late night comedians let's hear. >> this saturday will be president's 100 day in office for us it's 15 years but we're living in trump time so it's 100 days. >> the first 100 days is traditionally time to reflect on accomplishments as president and president doesn't have a lot, he hasn't filled his cabinet he did repeal obamacare, there are still muslims. >> promises to take on china has soon as he learns how to pronounce it. >> china. >> china. >> china. >> i like china. >> china. >> so is this like the new golden age of comedy. is this president comedy gold. >> yeah if you're not funny now you're not going to funny. this is the time to be funny. not long ago it was like is trevor noah going to be able to take over the daily show. it's made every comedian in the country more political not great for me because every comedian is gunning for my job now. >> didn't stephen colbert good 3 to 1. >> he was trying to be a talk show host and the world needed him to be funny. >> yeah, you know it's not just late night. i don't know if you saw "the simpson's" who had a show 16 years ago that predicted president trump. this is their take on first 100 days. >> 100 days in office. so many accomplishments, lowered my golf handicap. tweet increased. finally we can shoot hibernating bears my boys love that. >> sir this bill lowers tax only for republicans. >> can't fox news read and tell me what i have to say. >> no you have to read it. >> they're going to predict everything for simpson's to predict everything, mwua, always a good fan. >> you have to have a big scan when you're the president. probably better if he laughs at it, i'm not sure he is. >> there's not evidence of that happening. >> let's talk about something completely different. it's not fun why. you bring whatever comedic timing, genius you have. to come up with the season premier of "united shades of america" by speaking with white nationalist richard spencer. play it. >> i would expand white privilege. we live in a world every spring google, facebook, and apple releases diversity numbers, it's amazing guys we hired less white men this year we think it is inherently wonderful for white people to have less power. that's great. i'm glad. i hope the new james bond is going to be a black guy. that would be great for the world. >> is that a real big deal that jame james bon bond is a black guy. >> well for me that's might be -- it's too much. >> it's too much. ha. ha. >> you know when they go please. 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we saw some of that flooding all over the roadways. now we're talking about major highways, i-10 south of here. 69 is closed. beaumont becoming its own mini island, and in very many places across jefferson county, you have islands just trying to get help to them, because there are so many rivers that are passing through. rivers that used to be streamtr like this street behind me. you see the water coming off the street there. that's traveling into a drainage ditch, and this is the problem. we just saw a man try to cross the drainage ditch. he thought it was a street. he was almost washed away before our eyes. he was able to swim right back up before the current took him away. that is why police are saying here in southeast, texas, this is not over by any means. the brunt of the storm may be head thing way right now. >> drew griffin in beaumont. emergency services and possible rescues to go into eastern parts of texas into western louisiana. we thought new orleans was going to have rain, four to six inches overnight. they did not see it. they were sandbagging in plaquemines parish, they're not going to need that. it picks up with speed and mov s s out. that's the best news. the problem again is going to be beaumont, into lake charles, parts of louisiana could see significant rainfall, possibly 10, 12 inches or more in the next 24 hours. so this is where the concern is now coming next. >> we've been hearing a lot about the levy today. how bad is the levy situation in houston? >> could be really bad. here is houston. it's hard to see. we'll go out to the west. we have two reservoirs right now. the first one, after course, the addicks holds 65 billion gallons of water. if you look at the communities around this. we've had 100 subdivisions that have been evacuated. we've got over 3200 homes flooded. at the apex, it's 1400 feet. they're looking to have water overlap that by a foot. the problem is, all the colors you see, the flood waters that are flooding all the communities, and it continues, community after community. 3200 homes. but i've got to show you this. this really breaks it down and gives you a good indication how bad the problem is. metro houston, you can see these two areas in green. these are mainly dry areas. authorities made a gutsy call earlier in the week to release water into the buffalo bayou, even though it was receding. they knew the water levels would rise high and above where they were. this is more of a dog park. it's baseball fields. however, if you look at google street view, you get an idea of just how large of an area this is. john, this is now drowned by up to 30 feet of water. if this -- this is an earthen levy, not made of concrete. it cannot withstand the pressure day after day. if this gives, it will make this a colossal situation. it's hard to fathom how much water will run down to the east. >> that area behind tom covered in about 30 feet of water. these pictures we've been showing you along with tom, are crews out and around houston and coastal texas. there's just water everywhere right now. every one of our teams seeing scenes like this. you can see the canoers on the water right there. no doubt trying to help people. before we saw airboats and out in beaumont, you saw people as well. they could get up to a foot of rain in the next 24 hours. this scene being played out again and again and again. so many of the people need to be rescued by boat. you need to have the right kind of boat. look how high the water is on those trees. look how high the water is on those signs. signs are six, seven feet tall and water is near the top of it. this is a neighborhood. this car is parked in what was a driveway. this is simply remarkable. we've heard estimates that some 30% of harris county, where houston is, 30% of the county is covered by water. we're not talking about a couple inches. as you can see by these pictures right here. we're talking about feet upon feet upon feet. yes, the sun is now out in houston. the worst of the rain is now over. but a lot of the water has yet to crest. these reservoirs will continue to fill for some time. and when they let out, a lot of that water needs somewhere to go. a lot of it will go down through populated areas. so the danger, very, very real still for this area. one of the reasons why the mayor of houston has declared a curfew overnight. he doesn't want people out in the danger. he doesn't want any threats to property with so many homes evacuated. you're looking at the water. we've seen a lot of water rescues. there's not way to get people out, that is by air. the rescues, the aviation, it is enormously challenging, because the bad weather is no weather to fly in, especially the helicopters. gosh, look at that car in the garage right there. these helicopter pilots have shown themselves to be extraordinary. cnn's brian todd joins us from the george bush international airport. you have some breaking news about a local chemical facility and the danger it may pose. what's the danger this? >> reporter: we have an update on that. there appears to be an emergency situation developing in crosby, texas, in harris county, the county houston is in. but this area is east of houston, in harris county, but leer the l near the liberty town. this plant makes peroxide. they are worried about their ability to cool some of the systems. they're concerned about some kind of a chain reaction that might cause a large fire or an explosion. so they had an 11-person ride-out team that was inside the facility to ride out hurricane harvey and the aftermath. they've gotten all 11 of those people out. in addition, local fire and police are evacuating everyone with our 1.5 mile radius of that facility. so it's a fairly significant evacuation of everyone in and around the chemical -- it's a chemical facility that produces peroxide. so that could lead to a chain reaction and could be dangerous. they're not sure if there's imminent danger now, but because they cannot cool that plant right now, they're getting everyone out of there. >> we're watching rescue after rescue unfold. brian, i understand you went out on some air rescues earlier today. what did you see? >> reporter: that's right, john. this was the air marine operations of customs and border protection. very dedicated men and women flying these missions. we were with them on several missions today. these people pulled people out of the most flood ravaged neighborhoods in very dramatic fashion. in our black hawk, we hover next to another helicopter as a hoist is lowered. six people and a dog are lifted out. other victims rescued by hoist like this rescue on monday of four people. in one of those neighborhoods, we touched down in a liver of a parking lot that. we just landed in a heavily flooded neighborhood. they've crammed everybody they can into this chopper. one 80-year-old victim told us there is waist high water in her house and she lost everything. she was evacuated by a boat, then by helicopter to there. what would you have done if they hadn't shown up? >> we would have had to have gone to the attic. they're lifesavers. >> reporter: these rescue operations are complicated by the fact that authorities here don't seem to have an accurate count of just how many people are still out there in immediate of rescue. how many people are still stranded. cnn has talked to authorities throughout this region about that. they simply can't give estimates on the number of people that need rescues. calls keep coming in and these operations have to keep adapting. >> the number keeps changing. every time they think they have one area contained, a new area no floods. brian todd, thanks so much. "360's" gary tuchman joins us from a neighborhood in southwest houston. gary? >> reporter: john, here in houston, the rain has stopped and the sun has come out for the first time in many days. that's good news. it also allows you to visualize more easily the ftorrents of water that have paralyzed the city. you can see people in the water who are helping to pull in boats. it's important to note that it's not just one or two or three different sections of houston that has flooding. it's the essential part of it. the north, the east, the west, and here in the south. it's been 96 hours since the hurricane entered the state of texas, and as we speak, the search still goes on for people in flood ravaged neighborhoods. rising water surrounds an upscale neighborhood in southwest houston. firefighters from the small town of limer, texas, have brought several boats. and joined by houston police officers and us. just a few minutes into the search, a woman opens her door and yells that she and her husband want to be taken out, but can't find their cat. brenda norwood and her husband steve have lived here for decades. they say it's never flooded before. a police officer spots their cat. >> what is his name >> moochie. >> come on out, moochie. >> reporter: there is little time to bring much else out of the house. pets and valuables are pretty much it. the home is heavily damaged. they hope they're able to come back soon. but for now, they board the fire department boat and evacuate like so many other houstonians. this neighborhood symbolizes how volatile the situation is. minutes later, another family makes it clear that they too want out. opening the door of their house, they don't want to wait for the water to get any higher. you okay? >> yeah, yeah. >> reporter: a father, mother, and daughter live here. they too say they've never seen flooding on their street before. >> a little devastated. you know, we'll get by. >> reporter: word of the rescue boat's arrival brings others out of their houses with pets and belongings. this couple is engaged to be mare yesterday. and now, very grateful they're okay. but wondering what will happen next. >> yesterday morning, we were dry, and i really thought we were home free. >> a little devastated, but we'll get by. sounds like when reality meets resilience, gary. any idea how many rescues have taken place in houston overall? >> reporter: john, there's no way to officially calculate it. because there's so many different law enforcement bodies participating. right now, there's one happening as you can see. these people just came out of their houses. how are you folks doing? give me a thumbs up if you're okay. even the little baby give the thumbs up. this is happening all day. when you hear a number, 3,000, 4,000, we know it's way more than that. since we've been standing here, we've seen like 30 people come off this one street. civilians are participating in the rescue effort, too. they call them the texas navy. people bring their pickups and come to these neighborhoods and rescue people. they are truly heroes. >> every time we turn the camera on, we see more rescues all over that city. gary tuchman for us in houston tonight. thank you so much. as we continue to monitor the late developments throughout the program and tonight, we are going to seek with houston's police chief, the department has lost one of its own if the storm. and later, the president's visit. what he saw, what he said, and the reaction to his visit when "360" continues. each year sarah climbs 58,007 steps. that's the height of mount everest. because each day she chooses to take the stairs. at work, at home... even on the escalator. that can be hard on her lower body, so now she does it with dr. scholl's orthotics. clinically proven to relieve and prevent foot, knee or lower back pain, by reducing the shock and stress that travel up her body with every step she takes. so keep on climbing, sarah. you're killing it. dr. scholl's. born to move. tais really quite simple.est it comes in the mail, you pull out the tube and you spit in it, which is something southern girls are taught you're not supposed to do. you seal it and send it back and then you wait for your results. it's that simple. come on. s'cuse me. mind if i sit here? not if you want your phone to work. let me guess, you can't livestream your lobster roll. and my mobile pay isn't connecting and i just got an unlimited plan. right plan, wrong network. you see verizon is america's largest most reliable 4g lte network and now unlimited plans start at $40 per line, you know what i am saying? 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>> i want people to know this is a man that served 34 years old. while many would be retired, he had the heard of a servant. and he died doing what he loved to do best, which was to protect the people of this city. like i told his life, i don't think there's another way he would rather go if he knew the good lord was going to take him this week. >> there's a picture showing you and members of the police department holding an american flag. how are your officers holding up with the exhausting hours they're dealing with right now, the death of their beloved colleague, and the fact that their own families and own homes are in constant danger? >> i think moments like this define the heart of an organization, moments like this define individual officers, resiliency and their careers. they know that this is an event that's going to be talked about for generations to come. and i can't tell you enough about the collective heart of this organization. they shed some tears. they shed some blood. they've shed a lot of sweat. they've gone hungry. they've gotten wet. i've had officers in the same uniform for three days. but we're still here and we're not going to give up on our communities, just like they haven't given up on us. >> the scenes we've been seeing hour after hour are unbelievable. and inspiring. what is your latest sense, though, of how many residents still need to be rescued, how many might be unaccounted for? >> well, we in our department have a couple hundred calls still pending. but we're hopeful that now that things are oepg up and we're getting more assets in theater, my biggest fear is what we're going to find once we go into secondary searches of these neighborhoods. right now, we're still doing a response to active calls for help. so our fear is what we're going to find once we start doing our secondary searches and our hearts are broken, because we've seen so much destruction and so much suffering. but people thwe're going to con we're not going to stop. >> the sun did come out tonight. you could almost hear the cheer all over the country coming from houston when they caught the first glimpse of that. i do imagine it's going to pose a challenge for you in the coming days. when it stops raining, people are going to want to go home, if they can. but most people shouldn't even start trying yet, should they? >> no, they shouldn't. there's a lot of things that still have to be done. the water has not gone away from a lot of these infected neighborhoods. there are a lot of threats and hazards. until we declare the area safe to return, they should not go there. they should wait and they must wait until we can have an orderly return. i know it's frustrated and it's for their safety, and we urge people to be patient. lastly, there's a lot of tributaries and rivers upstream. a lot of water wicking ining i over to the gulf. we still don't know how much more water is coming our way. >> one reason you have to be so careful. chief acevedo, thank you for take thing time. please, our best to everyone on the force tonight. >> thank you very much. >> and to the chief's point, we're just hearing from officials saying between 9,000 and 10,000 people have been rescued in the region so far. as for the houston police department, men and women have rescued at least 3,000 people. next, we'll speak to a woman who lost six family members in the storm and how she's getting through this terrible ordeal. be. lease the 2017 rx 350 for $399 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. gloria always went big. so we helped her plan a memorial service that no one would soon forget. ♪ this one's for you, gloria. ♪ only a dignity memorial professional can celebrate a life like no other. find out how at sanfranciscodignity.com. the president had a chance today to see what some of you are seeing firsthand right now. he toured the destruction and oversaw the federal emergency response, while staying far away from the disaster area to avoid taking resources away from where they're needed most. jeff zeleny joins us from austin. jeff, what did the president have to say after he had a chance to visit? >> reporter: john, good evening. president trump, as he went along, had so many surpearltives, saying this is horrific, epic, the but he didn't seem to reach the empathetic mode. at times in corpus cristi, he invoked a campaign message. >> we love you. you are special. we're here to take care, and i want to thank you for coming out. we're going to get you back and operating immediately. thank you, everybody. what a crowd, what a turnout. >> reporter: what a crowd, what a turnout. that was sort of an interesting thing for the president to say. we know he likes his big crowds. but there's no question, i talked to people who spent the day with him, including the two senators from here, who said he walked away feeling the impact from this. they believe that will be helpful with the recovery and the government funding. >> do we know more about the president's man to return to the region this weekend? >> reporter: john, we do. the president is planning to come back on saturday, likely to visit houston. that's what the white house would like to do. but of course, it depends entirely on the situation on the ground there. also keeping an eye on louisiana, which is placing for flooding, as well. john, hanging over all this, the 12-year anniversary of katrina. as president bush was heading home from his vacation in crawford that year, president trump wants to act more urgently. there's no quick sort of results of that. so this is the beginning certainly, not the end of something that will be with president trump for the remainder of his term. >> jeff zeleny for us in austin. i think so many parts of texas would love to see the ground underneath the water. this is live pictures from beaumont, which still could see ten inches of rain overnight and into tomorrow. still very much in the danger zone. as we continue to watch harvey revisit areas already saturated, the stories are emerging and some are heartbreaking. four children, age 16, dominic, age 14, xavier was 8, and davy, just 6 years old, missing tonight, and presumed dead along with their great grand parents. they were fleeing the rising waters in a van in northeast houston. the driver said the water became too deep, the van began floating. he made it to dry land, the others did not. i spoke with his sister-in-law, virginia, the children's great aunt, earlier today. virginia, we're so sorry for your loss. i can't imagine what your family must be going through. how are you holding up? >> we're not holding up good. we're devastated. >> i can only imagine. walk us through what happened ye yesterday. i understand your brother-in-law was in the car, they were all trying to escape the rising water. what happened next? >> well, they were in the van, they were driving, and he said as soon as he got over the bridge and started making that turn, the current just lifted up the van and started pointing it towards -- into the water. it just took the van. and he had his window down. he managed to get out, and he tried to get around the van, but he couldn't because the current was too strong. he grabbed on to a tree limb and he was telling the kids to open the door, get out. and he said they couldn't get out. it was so fast. he said he couldn't do anything, that the van went into the water, and that was it. he was just left there hanging, and was there for -- he doesn't know how long. he felt like it was like 45 minutes or something, just hanging there. and then some guys came buy and they rescued him. >> how did you find out what happened? >> he actually called my husband, and my husband answered the phone, and my husband said he was like so -- you couldn't understand, he was like a robot like, they're gone. he says, what are you talking about? he said mom and dad, they're gone. he said where are my husband d phone, he was hysterical, screaming, no, no. i picked up the phone, i said tell me what happened. he said, they're gone. i said who's gone, what are you talking about? he goes, mom and dad, they're gone. i go, what happened? he said they were in the van. i said where's my babies. i said, they're gone, too. what are you talking about? they're dead, they drowned. i said no, you can't be telling me that. tell me where they are. he said, they're over there in the bayou. i said fregreen's bayou, where? he said right by the green river. i said, oh, my god, oh, my god. he goes, i'm sorry, i'm sorry. he just kept telling me he was sorry. he said i was trying to save all of them, i'm sorry, i'm sorry. and then i don't remember who hung up, because i was just screaming and crying. i didn't know what was going on after that. >> what have rescue workers been telling you? have they been able to locate the van? >> no, they couldn't see the van. i talked to the sheriff's department today, and they wanted me to know that he was so distraught when they found him hanging on that free limb. he was crying and telling us that there -- that his parents were in the van and that the van was down there in the water, back to texas in just a moment. first, we want to get you caught up on two other major stories breaking if the russia investigation and north korea's latest missile launch. we'll start with the russia white house watch. and new subpoenas issued for two associates of paul manafort. an update on that meeting that manafort, jared kushner and donald trump, jr. had at trump tower after they were promised dirt on hillary clinton. pamela brown joins us now. the latest on donald trump, jr., and the many questions about his meeting. >> reporter: right. we have learned today that donald trump, jr., president trump's oldest son, has agreed to sit down for a transcribed interview with the senate judiciary committee, similar to what trump's son-in-law, jared kushner, did just recently. we don't know the exact date, but said he is expected to meet with people on capitol hill, the staff of the senate judiciary, sometime next month. investigators want to learn more about his attendance at that 2016 meeting at trump tower where he was promised dirt on the clinton campaign. and they want to know why his initial statement saying it was only focused on adoption didn't include the fact that he was promised derogatory information on clinton. as you recall, he tweeted out the e-mail exchange that led to that meeting. but it is noteworthy that the president's son has been caught up on the russia investigation on capitol hill. >> and the subpoenas connected to paul manafort, what do we know about that? >> reporter: this could be viewed as an aggressive tactic by robert mueller to issue subpoenas to a former lawyer for manafort, and manafort's current spokesman jason maloney. the subpoenas requested documents and testimony from an attorney who represented paul manafort, as well as to jason maloney. this is according to several people familiar with the matter. this is on top of subpoenas issued to pr firms. paul manafort is under investigation for tax and possible financial crimes before he became the president trump campaign chairman. the fbi raided his home just last month, so it appears the investigation is only heating up. >> pamela brown, thanks so much. now to north korea. the latest missile launch and a new threat. president trump says all options are on the table. bac ambassador nikki haley says enough is enough after north cryia launcry ia -- north korea launched a ballistic missile over japan. we're joined now from the white house with the latest. sara, we noticed a different tone from the president today. no mention of the fire and fury he threatened north korea with in the past. >> reporter: that's right, none of that sort of bombastic comments we saw president trump make the last time we went in this war of words. instead he talked about north korea being increasingly isolated, he said all options are on the table. a much more traditional response to this missile launch. >> sort of in line with what we might have seen and did see from past administrations. >> reporter: absolutely. no president wants to stand here when they're dealing with a country like north korea saying we're taking the military option off the table. certainly president trump is not going to do that. so that is what this administration stood by tonight. sarah huckabee sanders on the flight back here from texas. the president is not going to forecast what his plans are, but obviously he means it when he says that every option is on the table. >> any comment from pyongyang? >> reporter: they have acknowledged this missile launch, and according to the state media there, kim jong-un is very satisfied with the launch. he said it's designed to send a signal to the u.s. >> sarah murray, thank you so much. up next, back to texas for an already devastating storm that's expected to make a new landfall along the board we are louisiana just hours from now. we'll get an update on the ground. and we'll introduce you to one of the heroes of houston, a man known as mattress matt, who has turned his furniture store into a much-needed temporary shelter. . right plan, wrong network. you see verizon is america's largest most reliable 4g lte network and now unlimited plans start at $40 per line, you know what i am saying? 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>> reporter: good morning, john. the good news is here tonight, the last several hours the rain has stopped in the houston area or at least in the southern part of the city. league city is south of houston. this is one of those neighborhoods where a fleet of volunteers, you can still see the jet skis and kayaks left behind here from the work that was done, going in, rescuing and taking out as many people who wanted to come out as possible. so all that work has continued. the good news is, we're seeing some of the floodwaters here receding. if you take a look down here at the ground, john, see where the high water mark had come up here to the street from this particular subdivision, so at least here in the last couple of hours, it has dropped a decent amount. with the rain stopping, the hope here is that this will recede as quickly as possible, but the question is, they've never seen flooding like this, so they don't know how long it's going to take really for all of these floodwaters to recede. it is unbelievable the amount of work that has been done here over the course of the last 24 hours. in a town nearby, more than 2,000 people were evacuated from their homes in just over 24 hours. so that, dramatic work and intense work throughout much of the region. we're on the south side of houston, this isn't just a problem confined to the city limits. the flooding and devastating flooding really reaching out beyond the cope scope of the ci itself. >> that's the first time i heard the word, recede, used the last few days. that's awfully nice to hear. are there people choosing not to be evacuated at this point? >> reporter: you know, there are. there have been a number of people. we talked to a lot of these volunteers who are putting out their boats and said over the last couple l hours they're get into some of these neighborhoods and there are a number of people choosing not to evacuate. and that can be for a number of reasons. ear so some people are stubborn, don't want to leave. a lot is protection of property, people who want to stay back and make sure that their neighbors' homes are okay, that there's no looting in place. in fact, before we came on the air here tonight, john, there was a group of officers that were alerted to some suspicious visitors here to this particular neighborhood. they jumped out of their truck, got on a boat and went, started floating into is this neighborhood to inspect that. it ended up being a false alarm. when the officers came off, they were definitely -- the type of thing they're definitely concerned about here now that the rain is slowing down. >> all right. ed lavendera in league city, texas, thanks so much. there have been so many stories of people helping friends, neighbors and complete strangers. tonight we want to introduce you to one man in houston who's giving people shelter from the storm and a soft place to land. his name is jim mackingvale, known in houston by just about everyone as mattress mack. he's letting people take refuge in his two furniture stores. he's truly one of the heroes of hurricane harvey and he joins me tonight. mack, so set the scene in your stores right now. how many people are you looking to shelter, how many people are inside right now? >> we have about 300 people at this store and the north freeway in houston county, the central part of houston, and out in west houston, the richmond area, we have about 400 including 75 national guard officers and military people. so about 800 people total in both stores. >> and i understand you actually gave out your personal cell phone number when inviting those people in in need. has your phone been ringing off the hook? >> yes, 281-844-9163. continues to ring off the hook. we're trying to help as many people as we can. we have more capacity in our richmond facility. we're looking at more refugees out there and they're getting more and more flooding out there, want to come, that store remains more capacity. this one's kind of tapped out, but, yes, it's been quite the journey for all of us texas and houstonians with the floods and hurricane the last several days. >> talking about texas and houstonians, you're not just talking about people, right? you're giving shelters to pets as well? >> yeah, we shelter pets. we have lots of dogs and cats in both facilities. >> and for those people who couldn't get to one of your stores and moving around is so difficult right now, you actually sent out one of your delivery trucks? >> yeah, we have several delivet through the high water easily. all day sunday we rescued people out of high water stranded on overpasses, these type of things and brought about 200 people into the store that way. quite dangerous at night, probably shouldn't have been doing it at night because it's easy to drive off the road in the bayous but made it thu and got home safe and sound. >> you got experience in this, correct, 12 years ago during katrina, you also offered help. this is something you've done before. >> yeah, we housed 200 people for 2 days during katrina, all the evacuees from new orleans that were in houston. we've done it before. you know, with the indomitable spirit of these people, they've been there so much, their home's been flooded, apartment been flooded, their car's washed out, yet they're still happy and running around the store volunteering. it's really helpfopeful for all us for the human spirit. >> why do you do it, mack. >> i do it because that's the way i was raised up. i was taught it was better to give than to receive and although i'm a capitalist, i'm more of a social worker at heart. trying to fulfill the lessons in life my parents taught me, which is better to give than receive. we have great employees here who take care of everything. i'm the spokesperson. they do all the work and do a tremendous job. i can't say enough about them and these refugees we're honored to house here the last several days and the next several days more. >> and if you had a message for your fellow houstonians as you head into another night with so much water still surrounding you, what would it be? >> it's real simple. message of my daughter who has mental illness, that has overcome a lot, is what does not destroy us only serves to make us stronger, if not for my struggles, i would not have known my strength. houston and texas is struggling right now. we're finding our strength in a commonality, the right, the left, centrist, we're all coming together with one purpose to make all of our citizens well and whole again and that's what we're all about. >> thanks to people like you. mack, thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. glad to be here. >> we'll be right back. patrick woke up with back pain. but he has work to do. so he took aleve. if he'd taken tylenol, he'd be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. aleve. all day strong. at the lexus golden opportunity sales event before it ends. choose from the is turbo, es 350 or nx turbo for $299 a month for 36 months if you lease now. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. you push yourself every day... tempur-pedic helps you recover every night. tempur material provides up to twice as much pressure relieving power... so you won't toss and turn. through september 17th, save up to $500 on select adjustable sets. tempur-pedic sleep is power.

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