but unfortunately, nowadays, our whole life is centred on this one device that we call our phone. so when i broke my phone, i realised i literally cannot do anything. well, to help us get to the bottom ofjust how this new world of hyper scale digital infrastructure is affecting our planet, i ve been speaking to one specialist who spent the last few years looking into just that for the environmental campaign group greenpeace. a real pleasure having you on the show. ruiqi, can we start with this? paint me a brief picture for the audience of why this explosion of data and the centres that house and process it is a concern for the environment and of course, climate change. i used to have a cell phone. maybe 5gb is enough for me like five years ago, and now i have to upgrade it to 128gb. so maybe in the next five years, who knows? i might need like 500gb.
and the war on ukraine, leo, has really pushed companies like yourself towards sustainable energy. but, of course, change doesn t happen overnight. infrastructure is expensive. policy changes take time to to push through. i m just wondering, leo, if you could wave your magic wand and completely transform the global energy network, what would it look like? i would just make sure that the infrastructure is strong enough to cope with the addition of renewables, e mobility, electric heat pumps, etc. because this is what i think the most dangerous bottleneck is ahead of us if we think about the energy transition. it s not whether we can deploy more renewables or whether we can deploy evs fast across europe, it s whether we have the infrastructure to cope with that. i think we are at a point in which the real bottleneck is infrastructure, so if i would have a magic wish, i would wish that this problem goes away. well, on that point, leonhard birenbaum, the big boss of e.0n, a real
well, to help us get to the bottom ofjust how this new world of hyper scale digital infrastructure is affecting our planet, i ve been speaking to one specialist who spent the last few years looking into just that for the environmental campaign group greenpeace. a real pleasure having you on the show. ruiqi, can we start with this? paint me a brief picture for the audience of why this explosion of data and the centres that house and process it is a concern for the environment and of course, climate change. i used to have a cell phone. maybe 5gb is enough for me like five years ago, and now i have to upgrade it to 128gb. so maybe in the next five years, who knows? i might need like 500gb. so just imagine this same appetite for data storage also happening in parallel in the business or manufacturing world.