based on the excellent john krakauer book. having said that, i don t trust his analysis and expertise in this realm. i think that we should be pushing for peace harder than anything. i m actually surprised that sean penn that that isn t his driving narrative. i m right there with you, kennedy, in terms of gaming at out and seeing how to gatsby putin to the negotiating table. when i see people at the table being poisoned it s when they come together, like putin is willing to poison his own negotiators, i just don t know that we can get there. certainly not in a hurry. and ukrainian officials have told us there are stories of 10-year-old girls being violated, swastikas branded into bodies, this is gruesome, brutal war crimes occurring across this country. if i could focus quickly on zelenskyy s speech to the
developed symptoms. those people in the talks developed symptoms of a suspected poisoning after a meeting in kyiv earlier this month. some sources are blaming pro russian nationals from moscow saying they wanted to sabotage peace talks. they want to talk the south and earlier when they were supposed to do good-faith talks people were being poisoned. general? yeah, i don t trust the russians at all. they are losing this fight. they are pulling away from the crown jewel, the city of kyiv, and installation of a new government and heading towards the east. that means they re failing. we are failing, too. we should have been giving zelenskyy everything he has wanted. the s-300 air defense systems haven t arrived. they should have gotten the migs. we should be giving them every thing he wants to keep pushing back on the russians and keep
continue, i think, to use artillery and missiles and continue to attack areas within the ukraine. and the ukrainians are going to push back. so, we re going to see some back and forth here. and it s a dangerous situation because i think putin is going to continue to try to achieve his goals. i don t trust the russians. i don t think anybody should trust the russians in terms of what they re saying in terms of pulling back. i think this i think this fight is now in a different phase, and it s going to continue for a long time. yeah, i keep hearing that from officials here in washington. it s going to intensify, and it s about to get even worse. secretary pe neta, as usual, thank you so much for joining us. good to be with you, wolf. coming up, there s a great deal of concern tonight about the port city of odesa, and it s bracing for a potentially massive russian assault. and they re bracing for it soon because of its strategic
obviously it pales in significance with the civilian population. but, yeah, these incidents that we ve talked about which effectively are with people actually being targeted. i mean, it is a disgrace. clearly, these people are not a threat to anyone. pretty much anyone with a weapon would know they re not a threat. and that is a big problem. and it s not getting any easier. do you believe russia when it says that it is moving away from kyiv and that the peace talks don t seem to be working? i don t trust the russians at all. not me personally. i just think they re maneuvering. as we ve seen there, they didn t quite have any, but ukrainian forces especially around kyiv. i guess they will regroup and come again and again and again. that s what they ve been doing. not just this war. they ve been doing it for centuries. what took you on the suggestion that the ukrainian
i mean, the process is you develop a very detailed outline. 70, 80, 90 pages. yes. and then you entrust your babies to other people, true? a little bit no. no. i m seeing those pages every couple of weeks. i either go, yeah, you re the best, hold it, hold it, i rewrite a lot of and i guide a lot. i m not giving up those babies because ultimately it s got my name on it. so, no, i don t trust him. i don t trust president clinton, i don t trust dolly no, actually i do. i wanted to ask you about those two collaborations. bill clinton and dolly parton. yeah. how do their approaches to your craft differ, how are they the same? very similar. really helpful. you know, authenticity is really useful. in terms of president clinton, he can tell you, here s what the