BBCNEWS HARDtalk September 12, 2021 23:34:00
Why were you reluctant? because i knew that i wasnt going to be a psychologist any more. i had no illusions about that. im not going to practice mental health. and i had invested a lot of my time and education into developing those skills, which were useful for what i did do, but i knew i wasnt going to use them again. and one of the senior people, along withjose rodriguez, who was the chief of the counter—terrorism centre at the time, leaned over to me and said, "if youre not willing to help ...
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