continue to fall nationwide, a new study is raising concerns over long-term health issues. the study found increased risk of heart failure, stroke and other problems up to a year after an acute covid infection among unvaccinated people. the january 6th committee is negotiating with rudy giuliani s legal team about giuliani answering questions about the committee. it s not clear whether he will testify. also this hour, i ll speak to david hogg on the fourth anniversary of the marjorie stoneman douglas shooting. we begin with the crisis in ukraine. joining me now, chief foreign correspondent richard engel and nbc white house correspondent kelly o donnell. first to you, u.s. and european leaders trying to talk vladimir putin into deescalating, no sign of that. they continue to meet both with putin and president zelensky. is there any sign at all that diplomatic talks are going
responses specifically. i think you understand we re careful about talking about that. that said, your point is a good one. if you look at the russian play book, they use cyber, offensive cyber to disrupt perhaps infrastructure, railroads, other means of transportation, other kinds of utilities, and to try to shut down an adversary s ability to communicate, so i think we have to be looking for those signs going forward. certainly we would be of a piece of the way they have conducted this hybrid warfare going forward. we have not ruled that out as an option available to mr. putin, and we re mindful of that. how concerned are you about those autonomy talks about the russian areas of ukraine, russian-speaking areas of ukraine, that they for all intents and purposes hold right now. autonomy talks in russia s parliament, that started today, and could be a vote in the next day or two. as a potential pretext for some
very isolated may not be seeing or hearing everything that he needs to hear. i hope he s turning on western tv to hear the resoluteness of nato, the images of these ukrainians training in the streets so that even if the russian military were to take over militarily ukraine, that they would face an ongoing insurgency. i think there was a very powerful presentation made by the russian economic minister about how devastating this could be to putin. i hope putin heard that message, because it could have huge ramifications, as much as 15% of the gdp of russia hit and decreased by these sanctions but, you know, as i think the reporting has shown, vladimir putin 69 years old, he views this as part of his legacy, this notion of bringing back ukraine, which has long-term historical ties to russia. moving on that, what i think he
democratic senator mark warner, chair of the intelligence committee, senator, thank you very much. thank you. so let s start there. you ve got, you know, the tanks, warships, missiles, ability to take out air defenses, critical infrastructure, what kirby also said was that there is a de facto blockade right now with landing ships, so he could be landing forces if he wants to. how concerned are you that we re seeing no sign of deescalation and to the contrary, and that these talks don t seem to be getting anywhere with them still demanding, you know, nonstarter positions from nato and ukraine. andrea, i m very concerned. putin has moved so many forces so close to the border that he may not even have the ability to fully pull back. and whereas intelligence and
the baltics, that is more symbolic than it is moving tens of thousands of troops, which could be even more provocative. what i don t think is getting reported enough in america is other nato countries are also sending, whether it be troops, the germans are finally appearing to move some troops, hundreds into the baltics, we ve got countries like denmark and the netherlands sending ships into the black sea, countries like spain and italy that normally don t lean in are leaning in, and the fact that all of these countries are taking out diplomatic personnel out of kyiv shows that we are very much in a week that god willing we re going to look back a week from now and nothing s happened but we could look back and say a week that changed the future of europe for literally decades to come. vladimir putin does not seem deterred by the threat of sanctions. no, listen, putin, what we are concerned about is that putin who has been very concerned about covid, has been