the judge considers bail for the suspect leaks case. why prosecutors say he is a flight risk. and reports of fighting in khartoum, despite new cease-fires. foreign citizens rushed to evacuate. live from cnn center, this is cnn newsroom with kim brunhuber. a former vice president compelled to testify about his direct conversations with the president he served. that s a situation mike pence found himself in on thursday before a grand jury in washington former vice president testified before a federal grand jury for more than five hours. that testimony would have been about what happened after the trump the president at the time, at a time when donald trump was pressuring him to overturn the vote. hints pence refused to do so. pence has also spoke about this conversation publicly. he s right about them in his book. the on a tour of really regularly. whenever before as an investigation, as a grand jury and have prosecutors gotten pence under oath to reveal
moment in history. there is never before been a vice president, who called to testify under subpoena, about the president they served alongside. that didn t happen watergate with which are nixon. it in-app in whitewater with bill clinton, which both had very active grand juries. so this is different and it also is a very crucial moment, putting mike pence here, because the justice department had to fight for this testimony. they went to court over this donald trump tried to block the testimony. he tried to limit what pence could say about their direct conversations. he lost those court battles. mike pence also went to court to fight on this and did not want to testify under subpoena. but he did get a little bit of the leeway from the court being able to protect what he was doing when he was the presiding officer on january 6th. but today, that federal grand jury did hear from mike pence for more than five hours one-on-one. the grand jurors would ve been able to ask him questions. they
in moscow. so what is the president thinking with this kind of narrative? the strategy that they re taking makes no sense to lawyers i talk to who have been involved in these cases before in whitewater, iran contra. the strategy you re supposed to take is stop talking about it, say we did nothing wrong, we have nothing to hide, we ll cooperate with the investigators, we hope it s a quick and swift investigation. don t keep talking about it. don t keep tweeting about it. don t make it an issue. talk about your agenda, issues people care about. the administration keeps going on about how no one cares about russia, yet the speet, you could tell this is something like many issues grating at the president, he can t contain it, he has to get it out. but, hey, there s a jobs message, an economy message they want to talk about. right. i think the strategy last night is very much of a piece of the way that trump handles potentially sensitive situations