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the moskva. is it is not just the industrial might, it is what exists today and all of that augered very well for a sudden clarification in the russian mind. but here is the problem. the problem of a vladimir putin. he's so personally invested, so deeply angry. and he still has other weapons at his disposal. chemical companies, god forbid nuclear weapons. i think the latter extremely unlikely, the former not out of the range of the imagine. and he could use cyber as a very significant capability. so, you're showing his face now. he's an angry, bitter, frustrated man who is personally invested in that. i'm not sure he's toting up the score in industrial capability and budgets. but we need to do everything that we can to make it clear to him he cannot win this foot race. >> a portion of our conversation earlier this morning with
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all of that augers very well for a sudden clarification in the russian mind. here's the problem, the problem is vladimir putin. he is so personally invested. he is so deeply angry. he still has other weapons at his disposal, chemical weapons. god forbid nuclear weapons. the latter extremely unlikely. the former, not out of the range of the imagination. and he could use cyber as a very significant capability. so you're showing his face now. he is an angry, bitter, frustrated man who is personally invested in that. i'm not sure he's toting up the score in industrial capability and budgets, but we need to do everything we can to make it clear to him, he cannot win the foot race. >> until then, he continues to terrorize the people of ukraine. a ukrainian marine commander is appealing to the world for urgent help to evacuate the thousands of civilians and fighters still trapped inside that steel plant in mariupol.
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so, we'll be watching for that quite closely. >> and jeremy bash. first, do you see an exit strategy after basically surrounding ukraine on all sides with his massive build up? >> yeah, i certainly agree that putin is going to be looking for an exit strategy. i think he did not anticipate the west's response. not only the fact that the u.s. has prepared a set of crippling sanctions against russian financial institutions on day one, export control restrictions that would go after russia's high-tech manufacturing. industrial capability. but the fact we've put kwoivl 00 troops on a prepare to deploy order. we've sent 3,000 troops east to bolster the eastern flank. sent lethal weaponry to the ukrainians.
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how are they manufactured? is that in country manufactured or delivered shipped from elsewhere? >> all of the above. there's no doubt at some levels. one doesn't have to have a major industrial capability to develop chemical weapons. some of the less effective weapons like mustard agent, chlorine, hydrogen cyanide, these are fairly common, easy to get and rather easy to manufacture in the area of chemical weapons. biological weapons can be develop developed in not much larger than a medium size kitchen. there is a danger. the taboo against the use of these weapons i think has been quite effective, reasonably effective. we're in danger of seeing that taboo weaken more. i'm concerned about that. >> if syria is using these on their own people, what are the
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