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Justify what they were saying, these fraud claims. the committees not giving them a public stage to do that because they think most debunk and they want the actual information people have about how this effort came together behind the scenes. i think theyre willing to let that bluster go, and people come in and answer serious questions. >> bluster actually, fantastic for testimony. good to see you. thank you for joining us. kyle cheney legal affairs reporter for politico. i bring in olivia tro...