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Transcripts for MSNBC AM Joy 20190914 15:45:00

the great, great achievement of falwell sr. was this racket where they ve convinced christians to vote against everything christ talked about, by talking about abortion, which christ never talked about. this scrutiny is good news, and i hope it s applied to more people because those young people who go to liberty university deserve better. and frank, why is it that people like jerry falwell jr. and donald trump have such a firm hold then on just average, ordinary, white evangelicals? well, we know they do because 83% of them voted for trump and the bedrock of his support is white evangelicals. you have to understand, you know, with or without russia, trump is not president if white evangelicals hadn t voted for him. i think what has happened is that the white evangelical movement i m not speaking of all individuals but as a movement, has been rebranded as a personality cult yep. and they are trying to follow one person who, as john said earlier, correctly, is about as far

Transcripts for MSNBC AM Joy 20190914 14:55:00

now that an impeachment inquiry into president trump is under way? do i concede now? have you not paid attention to what we ve been talking about for months? we ve been saying, we re doing three things legislate, investigate, litigate. that s the path we have been on, and that s the path we have continued to be on. i m not answering any more questions on this subject. impeachment also did not come up, not even once, during thursday s democratic debate, despite the 2020 field being among the most vocal about removing trump. the reluctance amongst house democratic leader, per their public statements, has to do with the 59% of americans who still don t support impeaching donald trump, at least according to the latest monmouth poll. but as we heard in our last hour from former congresswoman elizabeth holtzman, who was among the democrats who was there for the impeachment process against richard nixon, the public rarely supports impeachment until they re convinced of it and convinced

Transcripts for MSNBC AM Joy 20190914 15:25:00

for instance, if trump wants to get the g7 at his resort, fine. then you may have an emoluments problem. but you cannot lump every single transaction. you have to separate did trump make this money because of his presidency, or did the agreement, was that in effect prior to him becoming president. let me read you a piece of the politico story by our friend, natasha bertrand. it says the air force has significantly ramped up its overnight stays in scotland under trump after signing a contract, as you said, with the prestwick airport, situated 20 miles from turnbury in the waning months of the obama administration, and that would be in 2016. since 2015, the service has lodged crews in the area 659 times, meaning up to 6% of those stays were at turnberry. but here s the challenge. turnberry was actually closed. it was closed down for renovations throughout much of 2015, so you can t say that there were stays at turnberry.

Transcripts for MSNBC AM Joy 20190914 15:44:00

of spirituality. most inventory gelicals, including those i talk to, don t take falwell jr. too seriously as one of their own. he is mainly there because, as frank pointed out brilliantly, he s a grifter with a last name. oh, look at the picture you just showed when i said that. so, you know, the main thing about it is that for so many years, he s able to do this, and these modern-day pharisees have really got a clever racket going. this is a guy who endorsed donald trump after trump promised to turn away war refugees, to bring back torture. jesus never said cut taxes for the wealthiest nazarenes. they voted exactly against the teachings of jesus for trump. it s the same with mike pence. we had this idea where, well, i m against gays, so i m christian, even though jesus was never against gay people. so mike pence can sign a law in indiana saying you can turn away private taxpayers if they re gay because it offends your religion, but no one in the culture ever says, where does your holy

Transcripts for MSNBC AM Joy 20190914 15:24:00

this sounds like where an impeachment investigation is very likely to go. you cannot lump all of these transactions, though, into one pile, joy, because let s be clear, that resort in scotland. the airport had a deal with that resort back from 2014, way before trump ever even ran for president, okay? so, that existed prior to that. and then i think it was 2015. i think, okay, fine, 2015. now the refueling deal was signed by obama in august of 2016. so, if you look at what trump may have done after that point, it was just renable. just, it s a numbers game, right? the air force, the military, they re going to use that airport as a refueling station because of the agreement that obama signed. so, you have to take each individual transaction.

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