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he doesn't want inlligence to berivy to to be able to ease drop on through the normal channels it might otherwise do so. the naivety comes in when presented as you did. this means he suggested would not be that solution. the other thing that is notable is the presence of mike flynn. you mentioned kushner, he doesn't have a lot of experience. doesn't have a lot of experience in dealing with with international government leaders. mike flynn does and mike flynn has a well developed sort of theory of the cia and the u.s. intelligence community and he is deeply distrustful of it. my intelligence sources tell me that they feared that this distrust for the cia and other parts of the u.s. intelligence apparatus that flynn harbored was seeping into the broader
good enough for jared kushner. he wanted to talk directly to the kremlin. >> lawrence, it's unfathomable. i don't think i'm supposed to tear my hair out on tv. first of all, they were about to take office anyway. i don't understand the need for secrecy and they are hiding from their own government, their own government officials, the united states of america. this whole thing is unbelievable to me, frankly speaking. to say tha you would go into the russian embassy, y are becoming part of their inlligence operation in a sense. i'm not surprised the russian ambassador would be taken aback. we set up secret -- not secret. the content was secret, but we set up communications channel, the public knew we did it with the russian military, military channels. that requires the communication teams from each side to cooperate together. they do it very carefully so
form colagues to save the inlligence. >> i had aear that somehow that information would disappear with the senior people who left, so it would be hidden away in the beaurocracy that the trump folks if they found out how we knew what we knew about their staff, the trump's staff dealing with russians they would try to compromise those sources and methods. >> two days later on march 4th, trump woke up in the wee hours to tell his twitter tale of being wiretapped by president obama. fast forward to now, nearly four weeks later, with the investigations into trump's russia ties in full swing and the right wing blogosphere, google if you dare, discovers the month old sound bite as evidence trump's tweet was true. it wasn't long before conspiracy became fox news facts. >> a damaging piece of tape
public. that's what he disenfranchisement so these are stories to detract and distract people from what is really going on. which is why there's constantly now it all started with donald trump's own tweet about manipulation of information. that unfortunately is what we're seeing this white house do itself is manipulate this information. the challenge we have with the idea the president wants to move even further away from actual analysis and facts is -- and use raw intelligence is the equivalent of one of husband going on web md and looking up information and diagnosing ourselves. you have experts and people w are trained like doctors, like inlligence analysts for a reason, becausehey havehe experience and history to be able to interpret the information in a nonpartisan way. so that's what we're seeing is that now the intelligence agencies are being come opted for an agenda run strictly for partisan purposes. >> i'm going to come back to you. on top of that you had sean
did hate crimes drop off after the president at the time, president bush, gave these speeches, but that decline in anti-muslim hate crime continued for most of the last nine years. it just went down, down, down, down and seemed to be fading away. and it's also worth pointing out that prior to 9/11, there was almost no anti-muslim hate crime in this country, at least in terms of repted crimes. this really, i think, quite blind sided not only us, but the muslim community in the united states. >> do you suppose this kind of information will help national intelligence agencies then compile information they're geing from their resources and perhaps potentially prevent this ferver from getting any worse? >> well, i don't think that inlligence or police agencies can do much to prevent this kind of thing. we don't live in a policed ate