i didn t feel equipped to keep talking with him because i m not a trained negotiator. i m a radio broadcaster. so the negotiator arrived here and i went off air about 20 minutes ago, about quarter past 6:00 at night our time on monday night, and the negotiators are still dealing with him. as you ve been told, five people have escaped. they weren t released. three gentlemen, one of them a worker from inside the lindt cafe, and then two young ladies who are also workers escaped as well. and police continue their negotiations. they re dealing with a lunatic. they re dealing way person who s making outrageous claims. he wants to be he wants the government to acknowledge that this is a terrorist operation, that he s doing this on behalf of isis or isil. and the government at this particular stage are treating terrorists as you d treat any terrorist in any part of the world, they re doing their best to secure the safety of the hostages without meeting his demands. just explain how the pr