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Enough, he realized he wouldnt be able to push that further. ambassador volker didnt say anything at this particular juncture and said he had another meeting and they all left. i went back up and relayed this to ambassador bolton which is when he gave me the very specific instruction that weve already been through to go and talk to mr. eisenburg in the nsc counsel office. >> mr. nunez. eight minutes. as soon as i dont cut off a witness in the middle of their answer. you may proceed. >> sorry, th...

Investigations he was referring to? >> he said investigations on burisma. >> what did he come back with to you? >> he had some very specific instructions for me. >> what was that instruction? >> i had to go to the lawyers, to john eisenberg. i was senior council to the security council, to basically say you tell eisenberg, john bolton told me, that i am not part of whatever drug deal mulvaney and sondland are cooking up. >> wow. today america also heard from a diplomat, david holmes, testifying ...

The way out of boltons office ambassador sondland said lets regroup in the boardroom. we dont usually huddle in a room, in the white house to discuss next steps with foreign delegations. because we took it to being next steps on setting up the meeting, which already, as i said, ambassador bolton wasnt prepared to do. when ambassador bolton came back into the office he gave me the strong instruction to find out what was being discussed and come right back up and report it to him. as i came into t...

Acceptable language. >> ultimately that statement was not issued, was it? >> correct. >> and the white house meeting -- >> still hasnt occurred. >> but you certainly understood at that time, did you not, that it was the presidents direction and instruction that a white house meeting with president zelensky would not occur until president zelensky announced publicly the investigations that the president wanted. is that right? >> that is correct. >> you now know that the investigations the preside...

Election. >> gordon sondland has changed his testimony, hes famously amended it. so we dont know how forthcoming he will be today. but if he is, hes the linchpin. hes the person as you point out who actually knows what the direction was, who knows what the instruction was, who can get into the presidents mind-set because he had these phone calls with him. after this, then are democrats ready to wrap it up? if they get that from him, are they done? >> hes the linchpin willing to go up and testify...

His deposition, "i didnt take it as instruction, but a comment. talk to rudy, he knows these things." and that hes got some bad people around him, referring to the ukrainians. ambassador volker hasnt testified that there is any sort of order or direction to talk to rudy. >> i dont know what he testified. it became very clear to all three of us that if we wanted to move the relationship forward, president trump was not interested in engaging. he wanted rudy to handle it. as i said in my opening s...

Acceptable language. >> ultimately that statement was not issued, was it? in the white house meeting did not -- >> still has not occurred. >> you certainly understood at that time, they do not, that it was the presidents direction and instruction that a white house meeting with president zelensky would not occur until president zelensky announced publicly the investigation that the president wanted come is that a writer? >> thats correct. >> you now know the president wanted an investigation int...

Deposition said, i didnt take it as an instruction, but just as a comment, talk to rudy, you know, he knows these things, and youve got some bad people around, referring to the ukrainians. ambassador volker hasnt testified there was any sort of order or direction, talk to rudy? >> i dont know what he testified. it became very clear to all three of us that if we wanted to move the relationship forward, president trump was not really interested in engaging. he wanted rudy to handle it. and as i sa...

And others to try and negotiate acceptable language. >> and ultimately the statement was not issued, was it? >> correct. >> and the white house meeting did not>> -- >> still hasnt occurred. >> still hasnt occurred. but you certainly understood at that time, did you not, that it was the presidents direction and instruction that a white house meeting with president zelensky would not occur until president zelensky announced publicly the investigations that the president wanted, is that right? >> t...

Of perjury. what do you make of the real sort of scrambling to try to -- i dont even know if you can call it defend themselves, but the other people who were implicated were at best flat-footed today. >> yeah. let me just try it as best i can to explain how they are thinking about this in the white house and republicans on the hill. they are premising all of this on their theory of the case, which is that there is almost nothing that would happen in these hearings that would convince 20 republic...