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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 20:32:00

where they aren t playing with appraisals you put it down, and i think that that s where he was sort of putting i still think that that case could come forward it s a criminal case going to tr trial. it s how that anyone who read your tax story how it what it says is everything is an absolute fraud it s exactly how i would describe a body of recording about taxes. just that nugget of him, that it has to be bigger, it s just at

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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 21:23:00

take me through from cy vance revealing for the first time he was told to stand down i have some refrain that suggests that the disposition of that case, and then some federal prosecutors think it s too trivial for doj to touch well, and i was i worked for cyrus vance, and i was watching that yesterday. he said he was asked to stand down it s not trivial i said there are going to be people who say, it s just about the porn star case no, it is about someone who is going to become president and then becoming president, conspiring to promote his candidacy, to violate election law, to violate the federal election law and, yes, he s innocent until proven guilty, clearly but i agree with john, this is a statement i now in private

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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 20:55:00

allowed to consider that the jury can be told if you don t find a felony, you have this backup. so those are sort of implicit in this case. andrew, let me delve into this further just to state this one thing there is one issue about what bumps it up to a felony, what do you have to prove? the case generally i m correct that people think trying to use a federal campaign law violation is a little iffy, compared to a state a d.a. from manhattan dealing only with new york laws. that is what there s arguments i will say this, the problem with picking a federal violation as the bump-up is that it s not clear that when the new york law says you have to be doing this

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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 20:07:00

indictment we don t know, but normally when you falsify business records, there could be reasons to do it for non-tax purposes, but in this case, it makes sense to falsify a business record and not having it sort of flow into the tax arena. donald trump could have cut the check out of his personal account and could have called it a day. they decided to bleed it into the trumps on sarks and then it becomes a, what did they do? and then you can see you look at the arrangement that michael cohen made with allen weisselberg, the former cfo of the trump organization, now sitting at rikers for other issues it says the cfo and a, being michael cohn, agreed to an up brehma payment they reached that figure by adding to a $50,000 payment for

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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 21:43:00

terms of helping trump keep something quiet, to help him in an election. that is still something of great value, i would think, for this case, depending on how prosecutors make that linkage. hey, jim. i want to go back and think about this in a broader way, and talk a little bit about just exactly what it meant, and we re going to relitigate the 2016 election, these ghosts are coming out of the closet the story about the doorman and the doorman s secret, a story that was written about in 2018 now it s back here in the middle of this statement of facts you know, the one thing that i have learned is usually if there is a story about a presidential candidate that s dirty in some way, the national enquirer is first on it and usually is

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