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Been in to talk to prosecutors and we know that both wildstein and bridget kelly said specifically we wont talk unless we get this immunity from prosecution. now we know wildstein is talking, so we can -- >> ergo we think hes been immunized. >> exactly. >> hunter, before this segment started we were talking about, you know, this may come down to a he-said-she-said situation if there is no physical evidence, no texts, no e-mail, nothing that we can point to, a smoking gun as you were talking abou...