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howard: it matters to the media but does it matter to average voters that retire judge j michael has been a conservative for years testifying that trump had a treacherous plan to steal the election in a clear and present danger for 2024 or is that an inside beltway kind of thing? same. >> i think underscores really what the committee is after here, are they really worried about democracy or are they really worried about the fact that president trump can potentially be president biden in a 2024 matchup and this is the absolute best opportunity, they're taking their best shot at trump right now to take them down in the eyes of voters. that's what they're doing here, under every crack and crevice wherever they can to say this guy was off his rocker after the election and it shows he can't be trusted around the country again, that is the goal of this hearing so he was a perfect