yeah, see he died in yeah, 60 years old. impossible to know some historians for some doctors kind of did some like retrospective investigations in 2010 something to do with heart problems, but it's hard to know because he suffered from a lot of ailments from war injuries from where i should say at least kind of like malaria. he got in cuba then he got it again in south america heart issues. he had abscesses on various parts of his body laid in life so hard to pin down exactly but probably a hard issue if you want to be more romantic about it. he died of a broken heart when his youngest son quinton died in world war one, so if that's something to do with it, right. well good work today. thanks for your participation. dialogue. we back in here on wednesday to look at the spanish-american war and more detail. have a good rest of your monday. good evening. ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the nixon library. my name is jim byron. thank you. and i'm the president ceo of the richard nixon foundation, and it's my pleasure to welcome you here this evening. we have a truly terrific evening in store for you and let me begin by welcoming some special guests starting with larry higby who's a member of the board of directors of the richard nixon foundation. in sandy quinn a member of the board former president of the nixon foundation colonel jack brennan. the marine military aid the president nixon and his chief of staff in the san clemente years judge, jim rogan. thank you for being here, sir. jean hernandez the mayor pro tem of the great city of yorba linda. thank you for being here gene. i want to welcome dr. lori cox hahn, who is the doybee henley chair of presidential studies at chapman university and her colleague dr. luke nichter, who is the james? kavanaugh chair in presidential studies, which is a new program at chapman university and we're joined by the dean of students, dr. jerry price as well at a new program at chapman that the foundation has helped to put together and we're really excited about so thank you all for being here. in addition. i want to thank all of our president's council members that are here tonight for their support which makes this evening and all of our evenings like this possible. this evening. i have the pleasure of introducing two men who are contributing mightily tonight to american history. and i'm very pleased that c-span is recording tonight's conversation for future broadcasts and the nixon foundation is broadcasting live tonight as well because this conversation will illuminate the richard nixon that these men knew and knew very well. today is the 50th anniversary of the day on which president mrs. nixon departed andrews air force base. on their way to china and that ensuing week would become known as that which changed the world. dwight chapin was on that plane air force one 50 years ago today. and was experiencing perhaps the apex of his more than 11-year career working with richard nixon. dwight was born in kansas attended the university of southern california and joined the nixon for governor team in 1962 at 21 years old. he had caught the political bug. and his hard work and uncanny ability would take him to nixon's side throughout the entirety of the historic 1968 campaign and into the white house on january 20th 1969. dwight has written a terrific new memoir. the president's man, which you can see here to my left and much of it deals with his work with president nixon. the president's man is without a doubt one of the most important contributions to the understanding of the nixon presidency and president nixon as a person that has yet been written. dwight will speak this evening with frank gannon. frank joined the nixon white house in the summer of 1971 as a white house fellow assigned to counselors to the president donald rumsfeld and bob finch. he then worked for john erlichmann on the domestic council staff. along with colonel brennan and a handful of other staff members. he was asked by president nixon to fly a board air force one on the final flight home to california on august 9th 1974. frank worked with the former president in san clemente for five years as richard nixon's chief editorial assistant organizing the researching and writing of his memoirs working with ken khichigan and diane sawyer. frank received his bs from the georgetown university school of foreign service a master's from the london school of economics and a phd from oxford. ladies and gentlemen, would you please join me in welcoming dwight chapin and frank cannon? okay. good evening. ladies and gentlemen. what a great great group we have here. i want to thank you all for coming. this obviously is a huge occasion for me, and i am really honored to have frank here asking the questions. so we hope you enjoy it. we're going to have some q&a at the end and be thinking of any questions you might have as you listen to us. frank well again, thank you for being here and helping to launch dwight's a superb hook. it's quite a story. it's ranges over a whole period of history and a whole period and whole gamut of emotions from this little plenty of ecstasy, but there's a lot of agony. it's sort of goes from the kansas to the white house to t history and a whole gamut of emotions from a period of ecstasy but also a lot of agony from kansas to the white house, to the forbidden city, to the federal correctable institutions. it's a book for all seasons in a book for young people who are contemplating beginning a career, and thinking about public service and for older people who are older and analyzing life choices. and a life and i began with very pedestrian questions, why a book, why this book, why, now why this title? why now? well, frank and i were involved in the renovation of this library. we completed that work about four years ago. and it dawned on me, as i was doing that work, with frank, richard nixon was really only known for two things -- china, opening that, or watergate. through the renovation process it became -- we learned so much more about him. we knew it, but it flagged it in our minds. so i felt after finishing the project that i had an obligation to history to put down what i saw and put it into my words. one of the unique things about my book, most people writing these memoirs do it ten minutes after they leave the white house. i had been out 50 years. and so, i had a sense of perspective, i was able to take and put that, apply that on what we had witnessed. and one of the main reasons was for history. another reason was i have grandchildren, and i wanted my grandchildren to know what had happened to their grandfather and what had happened to president nixon. so i put forth as honestly as i could what happened with me. it is a combination of things that led to the book being written. >> so, why this title? >> the title. the title of the book came from my publisher. i, at first, thought this is too ostentatious. the president, to me, was bob haldimand, henry kissinger, the man to the president was these more senior man. but they added and said we are going to modify. the memoirs of nixon's trusted aide. that made me feel much more comfortable and i became happy with that title. >> we have a few slides here tonight. some that are from dwight's copiously illustrated book. illustrations that a rare both in black and white and color. but, i'm going to begin with one that is not in the book that is a favorite of mine. in case there is any doubt about who dwight chapin who dwight chapin is and the role that he played -- a picture is worth 1000 words. this picture tells me, this was the phone on the president's desk. so, it has the white house number. 456-1414. a couple of outside line. it has a couple of cords, and then it has shape in, rosemary woods, and bob haldimand. >> that's the buzzer. when the president pushes the buzzer, you go in! [laughs] asap. when he pushes the line button, then it's a direct line to your desk. >> this, unless that leaves any doubt, this is a part of the diagram of the ground floor of the west wing. and so, there's the cabinet room, the oval office, and of course the real center of power, dwight's office, which is right outside. >> yeah, they put mine right in the center there as you can see. so there is this cover. i know you had some choices. this was, this cover was the result of deliberation. this was another choice. i call this your j. crew catalog and i think that is where it can now be seen. what was the rationale behind the? >> this is actually the picture i wanted on the cover. and this was taken at the balboa bay club, september of 1969. nixon was going to go out on the columbia, which was a sailing vessel. it had been in the u. s. cup races. we were getting ready to board here, and he's talking to me. and i liked the casualness of that, but my publisher felt that the book would be much better accepted, better in terms of the marketing, and believe me folks, it's all down to the marketing. [laughs] so we moved from this cover to the one that you see of us in my office. that cover on the book, this is my office, which was between the cabinet room and the white house and this door here goes right out to the rose garden. i was -- i had some very valuable real estate. >> to begin at the beginning, briefly, this is your family. in kansas? >> this is my--. my mother, my dad, me i was 13 years old. i almost had my full high by that time. my sister linda. we lived in kansas, on a farm. >> this is you on a farm? on a horse on a farm? >> this is my horse, pat. and i'm proud to say that we won the white ribbon in the barrel racing at the local rodeo. i spent a lot of time on my horse. i spent a long time, with friends riding around the kansas plains. you can tell it's the kansas plains. do you see any tree at all? [laughter] >> moving right along, because we only have a short time. everyone should read the book to fill in all the back story, but in the meantime you begin moving up to the campaign. actually, this is moving way ahead. this is moving to 68. you arrive at 20 broad street, the nixon law office. and campaign office. what was the lie of the land like there, 20 broad street? >> i was living in southern california, gone to usc, and i got moved to new york city. and when i got to new york city bob haldimand who had been my boss at j walter thompson said, i want you to call rosemary woods -- who was nixon's secretary -- tell her you are available to come down and volunteer. i would go to my work at jay walter thompson, and then after work i would get on the subway and go all the way down to wall street. and help out. so, what they did was, they assigned me to a woman -- a conference room three or four floors down from at that time former vice president nixon's office was in the law firm the woman that was training me to answer the mail was that lady, patricia nixon. and so, mrs. nixon is the one that taught me how to answer and correspond this. the significance of that in my opinion, and i talked about this in the president's man, is she got to know me and she got to know my wife suzie and our daughters. she would ask me questions. out of that became a trust because of the role that i ended up being and was the denominator was trust. and i think she communicated to mr. nixon, this young man has some of the elements of trust that they were looking for, and that's what led to me getting the position that i got. >> we did skip a little, or i skipped a litttle ahead here, because the first time they came across nixon was in 62. to go back, and can you describe the first time you saw him? that 62 campaign was about? >> in 1962 nixon had come back from washington, d. c., where he was -- and he decided to run against pat brown. and the campaign headquarters were on the boulevard, and we were told that we all need to assemble on a given day and i think it was in august of 72 -- of 62 -- and in came mr. nixon. the thing about it, it's interesting to me, the congressman, vice president, he had about him this mystique. the former president and vice president. he came, and he went around and greeted all of the staff and shook hands and asked questions. i like to think out that there was one man standing there talking to him, and he ended up being the mayor of san diego, congressman, senator, governor of the state of california -- pete wilson. and he was with us that day. >> that was sort of just a grip and grin with nixon at that point. it was because also there was bob haldiman at j. walter thompson. he introduced you to the circle. and it tells a lot about richard nixon's personality. >> i always had to have a summer job. my parents insisted on it. and i did not have a job in the summer of 1962. and dad arrange for me to go down for an interview at the nixon for governor headquarters. i went in there and the young lawyer from usc by the name of herb kalmbach, he interviewed me and he inner -- he left the room, he came back, and he went down the hall to meet somebody and it was bob haldeman. he became the single most important man in my life as a relates to all of these points in history. i write in my book, and i mean it, that was the day that my life changed for the better but forever. >> and how was it that he slowly brought you in to nixon's circle, into nixon's kin? >> and i don't know that he has a plan, but he got to know me and but like mrs. nixon, i think the trust relationship developed. one of the most significant aspects of it was when nixon ran for governor. and when goldwater ran for president in 1964, nixon went to that convention and he held an event on the sunday before the convention started. and the purpose of the event was to thank all of the delegates from 1960. it was a very shrewd, calculated reception, very nixonian thought process of how it happened. and bob positioned me right next to mr. nixon. i'm this young kid, and i'm standing there, next time is the former vice president. so, as all of these delegates came in for hours, and everybody came, i would introduce myself and then i would say their name. and nixon here is listening to that name, and many of the people he knew, tell professions memory, they would pass on to him, hey bob, nice to see you again, or harry or whoever it was. but that was the first time that i really got involved directly working with mr. and mrs. nixon. >> as you say in the book, it was him getting to know you and to trust you, the jobs you did were well done. it made him at ease with you. it was that he's that characterize the relationship >> as the clock is heavier, and you will find this in the book, in 1967, after i become his personal aide, it's just the two of us traveling all over the country. no other aides or anything. occasionally pat buchanan might go if it was a big speech, or ray price or one of the other speechwriters, but for the most part, it was the two of us crisscrossing the nation doing political events and so forth. for our young man like myself, 26 years old at that juncture, it was one phenomenal education. >> today that role is known as a body man, widely well-known when the media was is becoming easier, politics were picking up into a media enterprise. the role of the young assistant was new. i don't know if you were present at the creation, if you were among those present the creation of that, but working with him, it was really a master class both in psychology, and it retail politics. in the book, you talk about some of the rules he had about dinners, introductions, hats. >> i did a schedule one time and -- bzzz! -- the buzzer went off. i walk into his office and dwight, it says here that after dinner i dance with this lady. only candidates for sheriff dance. so there were rules like that. never a, hat because they will try to take some crazy picture of me and so forth. and i learned all of these rules. and he had this phenomenal secretary, rosemary woods, who had been with him since he was in congress. she was of immense help. she was a tutor of mine and really helped. >> rose was brilliant, and the role she played in his career, secretary in confidant, she was so close to the family. >> when i started working in the law firm, there were five filing cabinets in front of pat buchanan's desk. and we were in the room, pat buchanan, rosemary woods, and myself. we have these five filing cabinets where anybody that had any correspondence and had any role in the campaign from 60 or 62, everybody was in this filing cabinet and rose had me to all of the filing. i thought, why am i here? this is crazy. i had to do all of that filing, and i learned the names of everyone across this country that ended up in one way or another being all involved in the campaign. it was an enhancement exercise that turned out to be very important. >> once you get established this trust with nixon, and he knew you could get things done, as you describe the book, you had a couple of baptisms by fire, and one of them involved in eastern shuttle from new york to washington. >> this is a great story. so we are going to go from washington to new york. and the eastern shuttle ran every hour, the shuttle. we get on the eastern shuttle, he is by the window, and by the aisle, and i'm always there to keep people from coming in for autographs. and we pull out and we go to the end of the line -- it was a very stormy day -- the pilot comes on and he said, we are going to be here about two hours. he turns to me and says, get me off this plane. i went, whoa, what do i do? i did not know where this came from, but i got up and i walked up to the stewardess and i said, mr. nixon has got to address the un and we need to get off this plane. now, needless to say, he was not going to address the un, but that is the thing that had popped in my head. so, after a few minutes, the pilot announced that we were going back to the terminal to let mr. nixon off. and as we got off the plane, there was all of this hissing, people hissing at us, but the good news was they let him get back in line at the right place. >> there was another version of that that was, i want to speak with everett dirksen, that would've been the senate minority leader, a very influential man. >> we had gone out of the airport and check back in, and he said, get mr. dirksen on the phone. so i called dirksen's office, and spoke to dirksen. mr. nixon came back into the sweet, and he said where is dirksen? he said, i wasn't there and not available. he said, dwight, i din't need to talk to everett dirksen. it's more important to talk to the secretary. if i talk to the secretary, everybody on the hill is going to know i talked to her, and she will tell everybody, and she will tell everybody that she had a pleasant conversation with me. and that was, like, politics 101. >> you have nice turn of phrase, you say that nixon train me to be the person that he needed me to be. what does that mean? >> i did not innovate what nixon needed or how it would all work. this was a practiced art form that lead back in the 1960s. our mentor bob haldimand had been very active in all of this. we were not in the business of reinventing how nixon would campaign, how he would be dealt with. we were in the business of implementing it the way that he wanted. you might say, what does that mean? we are talking about in an incredibly smart man here that wanted to have time for thinking. he wanted things regimented. he did not want any surprises. all of the habit patterns and how people work, or in this case how the former vice president worked, it became the rules by which i was expected to follow. as i said in an interview yesterday, that became my credential. if i had to put something on it, my credential became the ability to understand what he wanted, when he wanted it in to deliver. >> this is another photograph that is not in the book. photographs in the book are terrific, and there's many of them, i don't know why i chose this one, but to me, it does not illustrate any of the points you want to make. but it does illustrate to me the point of what you are doing. it was early in the campaign, and being the candidate, you are standing there and carrying two brief cases. some papers are top of the first briefcase, there's a briefing book under your hand. >> and he is smiling! >> you look intent! >> dwight is carrying everything. i don't have to worry. this would be a typical shot. particularly in the days when we were traveling just the two of us. >> the campaign, begins in very shortly early in the first week of april, the murder of dr. king, but the nixon's had met the kinks in ghana, in the independence celebrations. they had become quite close with the wives and the men. and, nixon who was vice president invited dr. king, and when that happened, when dr. king was killed, nixon wanted to go and pay his respects to scott king. you got to go on that very said, very poignant trip. tell the story that led up to this. and eisenhower, nixon, they had an introductory role. this is a picture taken with dr. martin luther king and mrs. king's, bedroom. we flew down there, and the president was torn. he wanted to be president of all of the people, but he did not want to take on a political overtone like it was being used some way. it was very touching moment, and i described it quite early in the book. mr. nixon and i, got on a plane on saturday morning. and nixon's great friend, and we went down and we sent one advanced man. and they got a car, they went over to the king house, and we pulled up, nobody knew we were coming. we are told the king family to not publicize that we were coming. and the president, candidate, at this point, they went to the walkway. these kids, dr. king's kids, he shook hands with each one of them and had some words. private words. and the candidate and i actually walked in. when this was happening. he took her hand and he said, i'm so sorry. and he spent the remainder of time that he was with, i with the kids, and then about ten minutes later, he came back out and talk to the kids for another eight or ten minutes. and he went over to martin luther king's father's home. the thing that floored me, we will up there and there were many cars. it's kind of a entry hall, and you look through, and there was senior. he saw nixon. in the two men started to one another, threw their arms around each other, and i did not know that nixon had known dr. king senior for years. they had this incredibly touching moment. i must say, and several different parts of the book, but these are the moments that we did not hear about. and these are sides of richard nixon that we never hear. but it's one of the reasons why i wanted to write the book. >> we come to election night, and you made -- we are really jumping forward. this was early in the campaign, and you are in the nixon candidate suite, a very small group of people. the candidate has a suite, the family has a suite down the hall. you are keeping watch, when very late in the night, and you made some notes. one of them is a 4:30 in the evening, in the morning, and essentially -- but nixon said to have an open door. as one that they could come in and hang out and watch television and wait for the final word. he mentions price, ray price, the number of people. and then there is haldimand and you. he said people poured in and out. >> the suite was very small. and the president was in a bedroom and he was meeting in there with haldimand and in the main part of the suite was larry and myself. we watch that evening unfold. for himself and for the family, they have this open house and invite people in for food. it was an incredibly long evening. and you saw the light coming through the window. and it is fall morning by the time he knew he had won. >> this picture is not only the importance of being at the right place at the right time, but having a camera. nowadays, everyone's camera. and those, days -- >> i took this picture. i was the only one with a nikon camera. he is looking at a tv screen. it happened to be turned to abc, what's coming on through the window, and that is john are looking at a time. it was very poignant moment and, one of the things i remember most about that is, that we are going to go to florida and put the government together. and bob haldimand was there and so forth. john mitchell was standing there. this is an incredibly strong man, he had done a phenomenal job running the campaign. and this tears goes down his face. he says, first time ever heard this, he said mister president elect, i'm not going to be able to make that trip to florida. i have to go to connecticut and take care of martha. we all know that martha had an abuse problem and she was in a treatment facility and he loved her, and that's where he went rather than going with the president in florida. >> but you are the person who told the candidate nixon he was president. >> i was. he was in the bedroom, with john mitchell and bob and john are like man and, pointing to him, they -- went swimming in and i said abc is declaring you the winner. he leapt out of bed in that was the start of the nixon presidency. >> that was the point which he went down to tell the family. >> he went down the hall to tell mrs. nixon and the girls, julie had done a -- of the presidency. she gave it to, when he brought it back, he was in his bathrobe here. he showed it to us. she had been working on that for the whole campaign. >> so then you win, you are in the white house, the oval office, and what is happening there? >> this picture has been shown god only knows how many times, because it has all of us characters, i guess. it's got the president, john erlichman, myself, and bob haldiman. i'm standing in front of the desk, and he's giving me some kind of instruction. it was not an abnormal -- this probably happened several different times. that was us in working mode. >> and you know that's early because the photograph on the wall was the one that had been taken in december of 68 just before he became president by the astronauts circling the earth. >> that picture of the moon on the right there, that was taken by frank borman at christmas time in 1969 and frank had autographed it. frank was a great friend of richard nixon's. in fact, we brought frank in on the moonwalk, he was kind of our conduit with nasa. >> we're going to pass over this because we don't have time. this was my introduction to dwight chapin. i was a white house fellow, it was peripheral, it gave new meaning. i was an outsider, it's so when the trip to china was announced, i try to finagle a place on the plane. and so i wrote a memo, and this is my first contact with dwight chapin. and he said, unortunately, even though your arguments are meritorious, you are going to be on this plane. and having never met him, we met in the mess and he said to me words that i will always treasure -- nice try. >> and all of us that were involved in this, i mean, the idea of going on the trip to china, there was no one in the white house that did not want to go on that trip to china. it was very dicey, picking the right people to go and so forth. >> these were the iconic moments, and as --, and 50 years to the day that they left the south lawn, and headed to hawaii and then to guam, then shanghai and in beijing to handshakes at the airport and then mao right after. these are what we remember, and these were iconic images. but behind this was a lot of hard work in a couple of earlier trips setting it up. and this was your commission. tell the story of when you are issued this. >> i was issued this in the beginning of october of 1971. it was part of a credential. and we used it in terms of our trip to beijing. i went with henry kissinger in october of 1971. and we use that, kind of, to give ourselves a little more cachet with the chinese. >> this was -- in hawaii, but this includes colonel brennon, who is here. >> this picture was taken in january of 1972 ahead of the nixon trip in february. there is jack brennan sitting there and myself, jack scowcroft and -- then i absolutely spectacular secretary, nellie yates. this was one of our planning sessions on china. >> and this is air force one. >> this is air force one, you see the picture bob haldiman, next to him is the chief lieutenant larry higby, and they are drilling meet with questions. haldiman has skeptical look on his face like, are you kidding me? and to his left, doctor henry kissinger, winston lord who later became ambassador to china. julie, william, and the far back on the right, there is mariel hartly, who was kissinger's secretary. and we were always working. it was almost impossible to underscore the amount of energy that we put into everything that we did 24/7. this is a meeting where we picked up some chinese leaders on the way and beijing. i am sitting at a table at air force one, going through a plan upon arrival in beijing. and this is the president. this is a great shot, because it is so representative of what this man was all about. he's got books in front of him, he is working, he is studying, his picture is on air force one. and he is in the blue sport coat, he would always take off his suit coat, put on a sport coat when he was in work mode. >> in your book you wrote that nixon worked as a nonstop machine, work was his hobby. >> i believe that. that and sports. he loved sports and he would go with david eisenhower, his son-in-law, to baseball games and for the most part, work was not work. it was a combination of loving what he did and loving being a strategist and being an incredible patriot. >> i want -- we want to have time for questions, we are going to have to just move on. in the book you write at some length, and very moving length about your time in prison, and after. and about nixon and about -- which is so important -- the staff system in the white house that was set up by bob haldeman, one of the lasting legacies. the white house staff system that he set up in terms of organization in management, it exists today. it still exists today! >> yes, i've met with six previous chiefs of staff. i asked them about the procedures that bob haldeman put into place. bob and i would accentuate larry higby here. they put a system in place for the running of the modern presidency and i spent a great deal of time in the book detailing this and the importance of it. and it is still used today they would take too long to try to detail it here, but i believe readers are going to really going to get a lot out of that, and particularly in comparison to the way that he solicited thinking and ideas and so forth. and one wonders whether or not we need to be doing more of that in today's world. in terms of the prison aspect, let me hit that in a little bit of a different way. i made a mistake, and don segretti, my wonderful friend and i suffered greatly because of the mistake that i made. but the important thing is is the important thing that happened to richard nixon, we detailed in the back of the book, we have an appendix, we have a transcript of tapes from the oval office, my wife terry put the web address. and you can go on there you can go to one of these sites where tapes reside, luke -- who is here. he helped put that together. you can read the transcript. you can listen to the voices of john d. and nixon in the oval office. it is a unique experience. i encourage all of you to give that some consideration. we have to go back into the appendix of the book to do it. but it is incredibly revealing and the most revealing part of it is, that break-in happened in june of 1972. as far ahead as march 1973, nine months, richard nixon was not told the truth of what happened in watergate. and that is what led to the fork in the road that really led to the cover-up. so i encourage you to read that. >> this is frustrating, i have so many more pages and so many more pictures, but we should go to the questions. so, our library colleague nazim ben yellen is going to-- >> gentlemen thank you so much please give it up for the moderators for today. [applause] >> we are now going to open the floor to questions directed for dwight chapin. if you like to raise your hand, signal me and i will find you. first we will start with a question from dr. laurie cox hawn. >> thank you for the presentation, dwight. my question is about the fact that there is no shortage of nixon scholarship available. as a presidency scholar, what do you think that academics like myself get wrong about nixon? where would you suggest we go with future research on the nixon presidency? >> i think what we get wrong is not exploring what the man was all about. we go off on these tangents, you know? when i went into the national archive to listen to some tapes, the first thing they asked me is, are you here to listen to the abuse of power tapes? well, the abuse of power tapes are the sexy ones, you know, he uses some language that is not good. it gets into the watergate stuff. but it is a tiny fraction of all of the tapes. we need our historians and the people who are going to explore this to dig into some of these other aspects of richard nixon. and i think that is one thing that my book is going to accomplish. i think it raises enough questions of there is going to be other things explored. one of the key ones is, what was the relationship to the cia and the watergate matter? i mean bob haldeman identified early on that we only know a little bit about watergate, that it's going to take years for this to unfold. this is the 50th anniversary coming out. we are going to learn new stuff at the 60th and the 70th anniversaries. >> perfect, thank you, dwight. to your left right here. >> hi dwight, a question about the 68 convention in miami beach and how governor agnew became the vice presidential nominee, but as part of that i have a question from a green bay packer's friend of mine, he wants to know if and vince lombardi was actually under consideration? >> vince lombardi? [laughs] no. i don't know many things definitely, but that one i would think i know! agnew was governor of maryland. he was tough on law and order issues. he appealed to a lot of the governors, he was kind of a neutral. nothing really pro about him but there was nothing negative. and that decision, i think, was made in montauk the week before the convention. and it was made with nixon and john mitchell, bob haldeman and bob finch, all his advisers. so, that's what i know. i'm not an expert on that, so you might want to begin with somebody else on that. >> who? [inaudible] yeah. >> perfect. thanks, dwight. we have a question right over here. >> hi, dwight. you mentioned early on that the nixon administration was known for two things, but they accomplish so much both domestically and with regard to foreign policy. what was left on the table that was not accomplished because the second term was so inundated with watergate? >> well, i'm standing up here and, very honestly, the person to answer that is in the first row. and that's larry higbie. but let me try. nixon had a plan underway to completely reorganize the federal government. he had a commission called the ash commission. they were going to come in and they were going to take that government apart and put it back together in a more logical way to run it. it was one of the great tragedies of watergate that they were not able to implement that plan. >> perfect, thanks to a. senator al again over here. >> congratulations first on the book, do i. it takes me back to when air force one left andrews 50 years ago, i actually left on a plane the night before for managers air force base. frank there probably would have been some room on that plane for you. there was a c 1:24 cargo planes, we were part of the white house advanced communication team that cover the refuel stop of air force one, returning from china to anchorage alaska. we actually left before the presidential party left. it was about a six hour stopover in anchorage, we were the traveling white house we had the switchboard anchorage white house once air force one touched down in elmendorf, in anchorage, i -- >> i thought i would throw that in as a side by. >> i would like to mention something. today, march 17th, is the day that richard nixon walked out of the diplomatic entrance of the white house, all of the members and leadership of the bipartisan congress are there to wish him well. he goes out to andrew's air force base. we get on a plane, we go to various staff tables, the stewards had taken and put a little tv on one of the tables. on that table was the picture of the plane that we were on. and you see it taxiing down, turning, getting ready to take off. it was so heavy, and had to go all the way to honolulu. so the plane starts down the runway, and you hear the german voice you can guess who, henry kissinger. he says, this is amazing! i've never watched myself crash before. [laughs] >> very humorous moment. >> thanks, dwight. this is gonna be our last question right over here. mr. shape in, i have always been a little confused about the presidents relationship with the internal revenue service. can you give any light on what his attitude was towards them? >> well, i cannot speak to the relationship of the president to the internal revenue service. i will say this, as the watergate thing got more heated there were incredible leaks out on all kinds of weird things. looking back on that, based on everything we all know now, i believe the deep state was well activated at that time. there were bureaucratic people into these various laws that were trying to undermine the president. but i cannot speak to the legitimacy of any complaint of the irs. that is just my intuition. i mean, the deep state did not get invented with donald trump. when nixon introduced his cabinet, had a meeting with his cabinet, at that first cabinet meeting he said, let me tell you you've got 30, 60, 90 days to get in there and get your department reorganized before the bureaucracy takes you over. he knew what his people were up against. that deep state existed then. >> you were a very young man went into government. what advice, as we close, what advice would you have for a young man or woman thinking about going into government today? >> we have a very good friend, gordon strachan, who testified at the watergate hearings. the last question that the senator asked him was, what advice do you have for young people about coming to washington? and gordon said, stay away! [laughs] that to me was one of the most disgraceful statements that any friend of mine could possibly have made. and john are like man, who i quote in my book, had a different view. he said, come! make a difference. do what is right. get involved! one of nixon's favorite poems was teddy roosevelt -- the man in merino. he talks about the man with the sweaty brow, who has gotten into the arena and fought for what he believed in. and he has done his best. and he makes -- the poem makes the point that it is much better, much more a credit to the person that gets into the arena and fights for what they believe in. they are the people that we should honor, and i believe it is imperative that we get new blood, young blood,
but it's hard to know because he suffered from a lot of ailments from war injuries, from or i should say, at least kind of malaria he got in cuba, then he got it again in south america. heart issues, he had abscesses on various parts of his body late in life. so, hard to pin down exactly, but probably a heart issue. if you want to be more romantic about it, he thought of a broken heart when his youngest son, clinton, died in world war i. so maybe that had something to do with it. all right, good work today. thanks for your participation, dialogue. we'll be back in here on wednesday to look at the spanish american war in more detail. have a good rest of your weekends on c-span two are an intellectual feast -- [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] of >> welcome to the nixon library. my name is jim byron. thank you. i am the president and ceo of the richard nixon foundation. it is my pleasure to welcome you here this evening. we have a truly terrific evening in store for you. let me begin by welcoming some special guests, starting with larry higby, who is a member of the board of directors of the richard nixon foundation, and sandy quinn, a member of the board and a former president of the nixon foundation. colonel jack grand, a marine military aid to president nixon and his chief of staff in the san clemente years, judge jim rogin. thank you for being here, sir. gene hernandez, the mayor of the great city of yorba linda, thank you for being here. i want to welcome -- [inaudible] her colleague, dr. luke nichter, who is the james h. cavanaugh chair in presidential studies, which is a new program at chapman university. we are joined by the dean of students, doctor jerry price, as well. a new program that the -- we are really excited about that. thank you all for being here. i want to thank all of our presidents council members that are here tonight for their support, which makes this evening and all of our evenings like this possible. this evening, i have the pleasure of introducing two men who are contributing mightily tonight to american estuary. i am pleased that c-span is withholding tonight conversation for future broadcasts in the nixon foundation. we are broadcasting live tonight because this conversation will illuminate the richard nixon that these men knew and knew very well. today is the 50th anniversary of the day on which president nixon departed andrews air force base on his way to china. in that ensuing week, he would become known as that which changed the world. dwight chapin was on that plane. he was on air force one 50 years ago today. he was experiencing perhaps the apex of his more than 11 year career working with richard nixon. dwight was born in kansas, attended the university of southern california, and join to the nixon for governor team in 1962 at 21 years old. he had caught the political bug. his hard work and uncanny ability would take him to nixon's side throughout the entirety of the historic 1968 campaign and into the white house on january 20th, 1969. dwight has written a terrific new memoir -- the president's man, which you can see here to my left. much of it deals with his work with president nixon. the president's man is it without a doubt one of the most important contributions to the understanding of the nixon presidency and nixon as a person that has yet been written. dwight will speak this evening with frank gannon. frank joined the nixon white house in the summer of 1961 as a white house fellow assigned to donald rumsfeld and bob finch. he worked with john glickman on the domestic council staff along with colonel brennan and a handful of other staff members. he was asked to fly aboard air force one on the final flight home to california on august 9th, 1974. frank worked with the former president in san clemente for five years as richard nixon's chief editorial assistant, organizing the research and writing of his memoirs, working with diane sawyer. frank received his bs from the school of foreign service, a masters from the london school of economics, and a ph. d. from oxford. and will you please join me in welcoming them. [applause] >> what a great group we have today. i want to thank you all for coming, and this obviously is a huge occasion for me. i am really honored to have frank here asking the questions. we hope you enjoy, it and we're going to do a q&a at the end. and be thinking of any questions you may have as you are listening to it. >> thank you for being here and helping to launch the super book. it's quite a story. it ranges over a whole period of history and a whole gamut of emotions from a period of ecstasy but also a lot of agony from kansas to the white house, to the forbidden city, to the federal correctable institutions. it's a book for all seasons in a book for young people who are contemplating beginning a career, and thinking about public service and for older people who are older and analyzing life choices. and a life and i began with very pedestrian questions, why a book, why this book, why, now why this title? why now? well, >> frank and i were involved in the renovation of this library. we completed that work about four years ago. and it dawned on me, as i was doing that work, with frank, richard nixon was really only known for two things -- china, opening that, or watergate. through the renovation process it became -- we learned so much more about him. we knew it, but it flagged it in our minds. so i felt after finishing the project that i had an obligation to history to put down what i saw and put it into my words. one of the unique things about my book, most people writing these memoirs do it ten minutes after they leave the white house. i had been out 50 years. and so, i had a sense of perspective, i was able to take and put that, apply that on what we had witnessed. and one of the main reasons was for history. another reason was i have grandchildren, and i wanted my grandchildren to know what had happened to their grandfather and what had happened to president nixon. so i put forth as honestly as i could what happened with me. it is a combination of things that led to the book being written. >> so, why this title? >> the title. the title of the book came from my publisher. i, at first, thought this is too ostentatious. the president, to me, was bob haldimand, henry kissinger, the man to the president was these more senior man. but they added and said we are going to modify. the memoirs of nixon's trusted aide. that made me feel much more comfortable and i became happy with that title. >> we have a few slides here tonight. some that are from dwight's copiously illustrated book. illustrations that a rare both in black and white and color. but, i'm going to begin with one that is not in the book that is a favorite of mine. in case there is any doubt about who dwight chapin who dwight chapin is and the role that he played -- a picture is worth 1000 words. this picture tells me, this was the phone on the president's desk. so, it has the white house number. 456-1414. a couple of outside line. it has a couple of cords, and then it has chapin, rosemary woods, and bob haldimand. >> that's the buzzer. when the president pushes the buzzer, you go in! [laughs] asap. when he pushes the line button, then it's a direct line to your desk. >> this, unless that leaves any doubt, this is a part of the diagram of the ground floor of the west wing. and so, there's the cabinet room, the oval office, and of course the real center of power, dwight's office, which is right outside. >> yeah, they put mine right in the center there as you can see. so there is this cover. i know you had some choices. this was, this cover was the result of deliberation. this was another choice. i call this your j. crew catalog and i think that is where it can now be seen. what was the rationale behind this? >> this is actually the picture i wanted on the cover. and this was taken at the balboa bay club, september of 1969. nixon was going to go out on the columbia, which was a sailing vessel. it had been in the u. s. races. we were getting ready to board here, and he's talking to me. and i liked the casualness of that, but my publisher felt that the book would be much better accepted, better in terms of the marketing, and believe me folks, it's all down to the marketing. [laughs] so we moved from this cover to the one that you see of us in my office. that cover on the book, this is my office, which was between the cabinet room and the white house and this door here goes right out to the rose garden. i was -- i had some very valuable real estate. >> to begin at the beginning, briefly, this is your family. in kansas? >> this is my--. my mother, my dad, me i was 13 years old. i almost had my full high by that time. my sister linda. we lived in kansas, on a farm. >> this is you on a farm? on a horse on a farm? >> this is my horse, pat. and i'm proud to say that we won the white ribbon in the barrel racing at the local rodeo. i spent a lot of time on my horse. i spent a long time, with friends riding around the kansas plains. you can tell it's the kansas plains. do you see any tree at all? [laughter] >> moving right along, because we only have a short time. everyone should read the book to fill in all the back story, but in the meantime you begin moving up to the campaign. actually, this is moving way ahead. this is moving to 68. you arrive at 20 broad street, the nixon law office. and campaign office. what was the lie of the land like there, 20 broad street? >> i was living in southern california, gone to usc, and i got moved to new york city. and when i got to new york city bob haldimand who had been my boss that j walter thompson said, i want you to call rosemary woods -- who was nixon's secretary -- tell her you are available to come down and volunteer. i would go to my work at jay walter thompson, and then after work i would get on the subway and go all the way down to wall street. and help out. so, what they did was, they assigned me to a woman -- a conference room three or four floors down from at that time former vice president nixon's office was in the law firm the woman that was training me to answer the mail was that lady, patricia nixon. and so, mrs. nixon is the one that taught me how to answer and correspond this. the significance of that in my opinion, and i talked about this in the president's man, is she got to know me and she got to know my wife suzie and our daughters. she would ask me questions. out of that became a trust because of the role that i ended up being and was the denominator was trust. and i think she communicated to mr. nixon, this young man has some of the elements of trust that they were looking for, and that's what led to me getting the position that i got. >> we did skip a little, or i skipped a litttle ahead here, because the first time they came across nixon was in 62. to go back, and can you describe the first time you saw him? that 62 campaign was about? >> in 1962 nixon had come back from washington, d. c., where he was -- and he decided to run against pat brown. and the campaign headquarters were on the boulevard, and we were told that we all need to assemble on a given day and i think it was in august of 72 -- of 62 -- and in came mr. nixon. the thing about it, it's interesting to me, the congressman, vice president, he had about him this mystique. the former president and vice president. he came, and he went around and greeted all of the staff and shook hands and asked questions. i like to think out that there was one man standing there talking to him, and he ended up being the mayor of san diego, congressman, senator, governor of the state of california -- pete wilson. and he was with us that day. >> that was sort of just a grip and grin with nixon at that point. it was because also there was bob haldiman at j. walter thompson. he introduced you to the circle. and it tells a lot about richard nixon's personality. >> i always had to have a summer job. my parents insisted on it. and i did not have a job in the summer of 1962. and dad arrange for me to go down for an interview at the nixon for governor headquarters. i went in there and the young lawyer from usc by the name of herb kalmbach, he interviewed me and he inner -- he left the room, he came back, and he went down the hall to meet somebody and it was bob haldeman. he became the single most important man in my life as a relates to all of these points in history. i write in my book, and i mean it, that was the day that my life changed for the better but forever. >> and how was it that he slowly brought you in to nixon's circle, into nixon's kin? >> and i don't know that he has a plan, but he got to know me and but like mrs. nixon, i think the trust relationship developed. one of the most significant aspects of it was when nixon ran for governor. and when goldwater ran for president in 1964, nixon went to that convention and he held an event on the sunday before the convention started. and the purpose of the event was to thank all of the delegates from 1960. it was a very shrewd, calculated reception, very nixonian thought process of how it happened. and bob positioned me right next to mr. nixon. i'm this young kid, and i'm standing there, next time is the former vice president. so, as all of these delegates came in for hours, and everybody came, i would introduce myself and then i would say their name. and nixon here is listening to that name, and many of the people he knew, tell professions memory, they would pass on to him, hey bob, nice to see you again, or harry or whoever it was. but that was the first time that i really got involved directly working with mr. and mrs. nixon. >> as you say in the book, it was him getting to know you and to trust you, the jobs you did were well done. it made him at ease with you. it was that he's that characterize the relationship >> as the clock is heavier, and you will find this in the book, in 1967, after i become his personal aide, it's just the two of us traveling all over the country. no other aides or anything. occasionally pat buchanan might go if it was a big speech, or ray price or one of the other speechwriters, but for the most part, it was the two of us crisscrossing the nation doing political events and so forth. for our young man like myself, 26 years old at that juncture, it was one phenomenal education. >> today that role is known as a body man, widely well-known when the media was is becoming easier, politics were picking up into a media enterprise. the role of the young assistant was new. i don't know if you were present at the creation, if you were among those present the creation of that, but working with him, it was really a master class both in psychology, and it retail politics. in the book, you talk about some of the rules he had about dinners, introductions, hats. >> i did a schedule one time and -- bzzz! -- the buzzer went off. i walk into his office and dwight, it says here that after dinner i dance with this lady. only candidates for sheriff dance. so there were rules like that. never a, hat because they will try to take some crazy picture of me and so forth. and i learned all of these rules. and he had this phenomenal secretary, rosemary woods, who had been with him since he was in congress. she was of immense help. she was a tutor of mine and really helped. >> rose was brilliant, and the role she played in his career, secretary in confidant, she was so close to the family. >> when i started working in the law firm, there were five filing cabinets in front of pat buchanan's desk. and we were in the room, pat buchanan, rosemary woods, and myself. we have these five filing cabinets where anybody that had any correspondence and had any role in the campaign from 60 or 62, everybody was in this filing cabinet and rose had me to all of the filing. i thought, why am i here? this is crazy. i had to do all of that filing, and i learned the names of everyone across this country that ended up in one way or another being all involved in the campaign. it was an enhancement exercise that turned out to be very important. >> once you get established this trust with nixon, and he knew you could get things done, as you describe the book, you had a couple of baptisms by fire, and one of them involved in eastern shuttle from new york to washington. >> this is a great story. so we are going to go from washington to new york. and the eastern shuttle ran every hour, the shuttle. we get on the eastern shuttle, he is by the window, and by the aisle, and i'm always there to keep people from coming in for autographs. and we pull out and we go to the end of the line -- it was a very stormy day -- the pilot comes on and he said, we are going to be here about two hours. he turns to me and says, get me off this plane. i went, whoa, what do i do? i did not know where this came from, but i got up and i walked up to the stewardess and i said, mr. nixon has got to address the un and we need to get off this plane. now, needless to say, he was not going to address the un, but that is the thing that had popped in my head. so, after a few minutes, the pilot announced that we were going back to the terminal to let mr. nixon off. and as we got off the plane, there was all of this hissing, people hissing at us, but the good news was they let him get back in line at the right place. >> there was another version of that that was, i want to speak with everett dirksen, that would've been the senate minority leader, a very influential man. >> we had gone out of the airport and check back in, and he said, get mr. dirksen on the phone. so i called dirksen's office, and spoke to dirksen. mr. nixon came back into the sweet, and he said where is dirksen? he said, i wasn't there and not available. he said, dwight, i din't need to talk to everett dirksen. it's more important to talk to the secretary. if i talk to the secretary, everybody on the hill is going to know i talked to her, and she will tell everybody, and she will tell everybody that she had a pleasant conversation with me. and that was, like, politics 101. >> you have nice turn of phrase, you say that nixon train me to be the person that he needed me to be. what does that mean? >> i did not innovate what nixon needed or how it would all work. this was a practiced art form that lead back in the 1960s. our mentor bob haldimand had been very active in all of this. we were not in the business of reinventing how nixon would campaign, how he would be dealt with. we were in the business of implementing it the way that he wanted. you might say, what does that mean? we are talking about in an incredibly smart man here that wanted to have time for thinking. he wanted things regimented. he did not want any surprises. all of the habit patterns and how people work, or in this case how the former vice president worked, it became the rules by which i was expected to follow. as i said in an interview yesterday, that became my credential. if i had to put something on it, my credential became the ability to understand what he wanted, when he wanted it in to deliver. >> this is another photograph that is not in the book. photographs in the book are terrific, and there's many of them, i don't know why i chose this one, but to me, it does not illustrate any of the points you want to make. but it does illustrate to me the point of what you are doing. it was early in the campaign, and being the candidate, you are standing there and carrying two brief cases. some papers are top of the first briefcase, there's a briefing book under your hand. >> and he is smiling! >> you look intent! >> dwight is carrying everything. i don't have to worry. this would be a typical shot. particularly in the days when we were traveling just the two of us. >> the campaign, begins in very shortly early in the first week of april, the murder of dr. king, but the nixon's had met the kinks in ghana, in the independence celebrations. they had become quite close with the wives and the men. and, nixon who was vice president invited dr. king, and when that happened, when dr. king was killed, nixon wanted to go and pay his respects to scott king. you got to go on that very said, very poignant trip. tell the story that led up to this. and eisenhower, nixon, they had an introductory role. this is a picture taken with dr. martin luther king and mrs. king's, bedroom. we flew down there, and the president was torn. he wanted to be president of all of the people, but he did not want to take on a political overtone like it was being used some way. it was very touching moment, and i described it quite early in the book. mr. nixon and i, got on a plane on saturday morning. and nixon's great friend, and we went down and we sent one advanced man. and they got a car, they went over to the king house, and we pulled up, nobody knew we were coming. we are told the king family to not publicize that we were coming. and the president, candidate, at this point, they went to the walkway. these kids, dr. king's kids, he shook hands with each one of them and had some words. private words. and the candidate and i actually walked in. when this was happening. he took her hand and he said, i'm so sorry. and he spent the remainder of time that he was with, i with the kids, and then about ten minutes later, he came back out and talk to the kids for another eight or ten minutes. and he went over to martin luther king's father's home. the thing that floored me, we will up there and there were many cars. it's kind of a entry hall, and you look through, and there was senior. he saw nixon. in the two men started to one another, threw their arms around each other, and i did not know that nixon had known dr. king senior for years. they had this incredibly touching moment. i must say, and several different parts of the book, but these are the moments that we did not hear about. and these are sides of richard nixon that we never hear. but it's one of the reasons why i wanted to write the book. >> we come to election night, and you made -- we are really jumping forward. this was early in the campaign, and you are in the nixon candidate suite, a very small group of people. the candidate has a suite, the family has a suite down the hall. you are keeping watch, when very late in the night, and you made some notes. one of them is a 4:30 in the evening, in the morning, and essentially -- but nixon said to have an open door. as one that they could come in and hang out and watch television and wait for the final word. he mentions price, ray price, the number of people. and then there is haldimand and you. he said people poured in and out. >> the suite was very small. and the president was in a bedroom and he was meeting in there with haldimand and in the main part of the suite was larry and myself. we watch that evening unfold. for himself and for the family, they have this open house and invite people in for food. it was an incredibly long evening. and you saw the light coming through the window. and it is fall morning by the time he knew he had won. >> this picture is not only the importance of being at the right place at the right time, but having a camera. nowadays, everyone's camera. and those, days -- >> i took this picture. i was the only one with a nikon camera. he is looking at a tv screen. it happened to be turned to abc, what's coming on through the window, and that is john are looking at a time. it was very poignant moment and, one of the things i remember most about that is, that we are going to go to florida and put the government together. and bob haldimand was there and so forth. john mitchell was standing there. this is an incredibly strong man, he had done a phenomenal job running the campaign. and this tears goes down his face. he says, first time ever heard this, he said mister president elect, i'm not going to be able to make that trip to florida. i have to go to connecticut and take care of martha. we all know that martha had an abuse problem and she was in a treatment facility and he loved her, and that's where he went rather than going with the president in florida. >> but you are the person who told the candidate nixon he was president. >> i was. he was in the bedroom, with john mitchell and bob and john are like man and, pointing to him, they -- went swimming in and i said abc is declaring you the winner. he leapt out of bed in that was the start of the nixon presidency. >> that was the point which he went down to tell the family. >> he went down the hall to tell mrs. nixon and the girls, julie had done a -- of the presidency. she gave it to, when he brought it back, he was in his bathrobe here. he showed it to us. she had been working on that for the whole campaign. >> so then you when, you are in the white house, the oval office, and what is happening there? >> this picture has been shown god only knows how many times, because it has all of us characters, i guess. it's got the president, john erlichman, myself, and bob haldiman. i'm standing in front of the desk, and he's giving me some kind of instruction. it was not an abnormal -- this probably happened several different times. that was us in working mode. >> and you know that's early because the photograph on the wall was the one that had been taken in december of 68 just before he became president by the astronauts circling the earth. >> that picture of the moon on the right there, that was taken by frank borman at christmas time in 1969 and frank had autographed it. frank was a great friend of richard nixon's. in fact, we brought frank in on the moonwalk, he was kind of our conduit with nasa. >> we're going to pass over this because we don't have time. this was my introduction to dwight chapin. i was a white house fellow, it was peripheral, it gave new meaning. i was an outsider, it's so when the trip to china was announced, i try to finagle a place on the plane. and so i wrote a memo, and this is my first contact with dwight chapin. and he said, unortunately, even though your arguments are meritorious, you are going to be on this plane. and having never met him, we met in the mess and he said to me words that i will always treasure -- nice try. >> and all of us that were involved in this, i mean, the idea of going on the trip to china, there was no one in the white house that did not want to go on that trip to china. it was very dicey, picking the right people to go and so forth. >> these were the iconic moments, and as --, and 50 years to the day that they left the south lawn, and headed to hawaii and then to guam, then shanghai and in beijing to handshakes at the airport and then mao right after. these are what we remember, and these were iconic images. but behind this was a lot of hard work in a couple of earlier trips setting it up. and this was your commission. tell the story of when you are issued this. >> i was issued this in the beginning of october of 1971. it was part of a credential. and we used it in terms of our trip to beijing. i went with henry kissinger in october of 1971. and we use that, kind of, to give ourselves a little more cachet with the chinese. >> this was -- in hawaii, but this includes colonel brennon, who is here. >> this picture was taken in january of 1972 ahead of the nixon trip in february. there is jack brennan sitting there and myself, jack scowcroft and -- then i absolutely spectacular secretary, nellie yates. this was one of our planning sessions on china. >> and this is air force one. >> this is air force one, you see the picture bob haldiman, next to him is the chief lieutenant larry higby, and they are drilling me with questions. haldiman has skeptical look on his face like, are you kidding me? and to his left, doctor henry kissinger, winston lord who later became ambassador to china. julie, william, and the picture is on air force one. and he is in the blue sport coat, upon arrival in beijing. and this is the president. this is a great shot, because it is so representative of what this man was all about. he's got books in front of him, he is working, he is studying, his picture is on air force one. and he is in the blue sport coat, he would always take off his suit coat, put on a sport coat when he was in work mode. >> in your book you wrote that nixon worked as a nonstop machine, work was his hobby. >> i believe that. that and sports. he loved sports and he would go with david eisenhower, his son-in-law, to baseball games and for the most part, work was not work. it was a combination of loving what he did and loving being a strategist and being an incredible patriot. >> i want -- we want to have time for questions, we are going to have to just move on. in the book you write at some length, and very moving length about your time in prison, and after. and about nixon and about -- which is so important -- the staff system in the white house that was set up by bob haldeman, one of the lasting legacies. the white house staff system that he set up in terms of organization in management, it exists today. it still exists today! >> yes, i've met with six previous chiefs of staff. i asked them about the procedures that bob haldeman put into place. bob and i would accentuate larry higby here. they put a system in place for the running of the modern presidency and i spent a great deal of time in the book detailing this and the importance of it. and it is still used today they would take too long to try to detail it here, but i believe readers are going to really going to get a lot out of that, and particularly in comparison to the way that he solicited thinking and ideas and so forth. and one wonders whether or not we need to be doing more of that in today's world. in terms of the prison aspect, let me hit that in a little bit of a different way. i made a mistake, and don segretti, my wonderful friend and i suffered greatly because of the mistake that i made. but the important thing is is the important thing that happened to richard nixon, we detailed in the back of the book, we have an appendix, we have a transcript of tapes from the oval office, my wife terry put the web address. and you can go on there you can go to one of these sites where tapes reside, luke -- who is here. he helped put that together. you can read the transcript. you can listen to the voices of john d. and nixon in the oval office. it is a unique experience. i encourage all of you to give that some consideration. we have to go back into the appendix of the book to do it. but it is incredibly revealing and the most revealing part of it is, that break-in happened in june of 1972. as far ahead as march 1973, nine months, richard nixon was not told the truth of what happened in watergate. and that is what led to the fork in the road that really led to the cover-up. so i encourage you to read that. >> this is frustrating, i have so many more pages and so many more pictures, but we should go to the questions. so, our library colleague nazim ben yellen is going to-- >> gentlemen thank you so much please give it up for the moderators for today. [applause] >> we are now going to open the floor to questions directed for dwight chapin. if you like to raise your hand, signal me and i will find you. first we will start with a question from dr. laurie cox hawn. >> thank you for the presentation, dwight. my question is about the fact that there is no shortage of nixon scholarship available. as a presidency scholar, what do you think that academics like myself get wrong about nixon? where would you suggest we go with future research on the nixon presidency? >> i think what we get wrong is not exploring what the man was all about. we go off on these tangents, you know? when i went into the national archive to listen to some tapes, the first thing they asked me is, are you here to listen to the abuse of power tapes? well, the abuse of power tapes are the sexy ones, you know, he uses some language that is not good. it gets into the watergate stuff. but it is a tiny fraction of all of the tapes. we need our historians and the people who are going to explore this to dig into some of these other aspects of richard nixon. and i think that is one thing that my book is going to accomplish. i think it raises enough questions of there is going to be other things explored. one of the key ones is, what was the relationship to the cia and the watergate matter? i mean bob haldeman identified early on that we only know a little bit about watergate, that it's going to take years for this to unfold. this is the 50th anniversary coming out. we are going to learn new stuff at the 60th and the 70th anniversaries. >> perfect, thank you, dwight. to your left right here. >> hi dwight, a question about the 68 convention in miami beach and how governor agnew became the vice presidential nominee, but as part of that i have a question from a green bay packer's friend of mine, he wants to know if and vince lombardi was actually under consideration? >> vince lombardi? [laughs] no. i don't know many things definitely, but that one i would think i know! agnew was governor of maryland. he was tough on law and order issues. he appealed to a lot of the governors, he was kind of a neutral. nothing really pro about him but there was nothing negative. and that decision, i think, was made in montauk the week before the convention. and it was made with nixon and john mitchell, bob haldeman and bob finch, all his advisers. so, that's what i know. i'm not an expert on that, so you might want to begin with somebody else on that. >> who? [inaudible] yeah. >> perfect. thanks, dwight. we have a question right over here. >> hi, dwight. you mentioned early on that the nixon administration was known for two things, but they accomplish so much both domestically and with regard to foreign policy. what was left on the table that was not accomplished because the second term was so inundated with watergate? >> well, i'm standing up here and, very honestly, the person to answer that is in the first row. and that's larry higbie. but let me try. nixon had a plan underway to completely reorganize the federal government. he had a commission called the ash commission. they were going to come in and they were going to take that government apart and put it back together in a more logical way to run it. it was one of the great tragedies of watergate that they were not able to implement that plan. >> perfect, thanks to a. senator al again over here. >> congratulations first on the book, do i. it takes me back to when air force one left andrews 50 years ago, i actually left on a plane the night before for managers air force base. frank there probably would have been some room on that plane for you. there was a c 1:24 cargo planes, we were part of the white house advanced communication team that cover the refuel stop of air force one, returning from china to anchorage alaska. we actually left before the presidential party left. it was about a six hour stopover in anchorage, we were the traveling white house we had the switchboard anchorage white house once air force one touched down in elmendorf, in anchorage, i -- >> i thought i would throw that in as a side by. >> i would like to mention something. today, march 17th, is the day that richard nixon walked out of the diplomatic entrance of the white house, all of the members and leadership of the bipartisan congress are there to wish him well. he goes out to andrew's air force base. we get on a plane, we go to various staff tables, the stewards had taken and put a little tv on one of the tables. on that table was the picture of the plane that we were on. and you see it taxiing down, turning, getting ready to take off. it was so heavy, and had to go all the way to honolulu. so the plane starts down the runway, and you hear the german voice you can guess who, henry kissinger. he says, this is amazing! i've never watched myself crash before. [laughs] >> very humorous moment. >> thanks, dwight. this is gonna be our last question right over here. mr. shape in, i have always been a little confused about the presidents relationship with the internal revenue service. can you give any light on what his attitude was towards them? >> well, i cannot speak to the relationship of the president to the internal revenue service. i will say this, as the watergate thing got more heated there were incredible leaks out on all kinds of weird things. looking back on that, based on everything we all know now, i believe the deep state was well activated at that time. there were bureaucratic people into these various laws that were trying to undermine the president. but i cannot speak to the legitimacy of any complaint of the irs. that is just my intuition. i mean, the deep state did not get invented with donald trump. when nixon introduced his cabinet, had a meeting with his cabinet, at that first cabinet meeting he said, let me tell you you've got 30, 60, 90 days to get in there and get your department reorganized before the bureaucracy takes you over. he knew what his people were up against. that deep state existed then. >> you were a very young man went into government. what advice, as we close, what advice would you have for a young man or woman thinking about going into government today? >> we have a very good friend, gordon strachan, who testified at the watergate hearings. the last question that the senator asked him was, what advice do you have for young people about coming to washington? and gordon said, stay away! [laughs] that to me was one of the most disgraceful statements that any friend of mine could possibly have made. and john are like man, who i quote in my book, had a different view. he said, come! make a difference. do what is right. get involved! one of nixon's favorite poems was teddy roosevelt -- the man in merino. he talks about the man with the sweaty brow, who has gotten into the arena and fought for what he believed in. and he has done his best. and he makes -- the poem makes the point that it is much better, much more a credit to the person that gets into the arena and fights for what they believe in. they are the people that we should honor, and i believe it is imperative that we get new blood, young blood, and great people into our government. [applause]
a senior commander of the palestinian armed group, the alex, a martyrs brigades has been killed in a raid by israeli forces in the occupied west bank. the military says it surrounded the house or the abraham, the bull, c, before an exchange of gunfire. 2 others were killed in the operation. more than 60 people were reported injured. john harmon has more from nablus, lay so many people around them. what's called the mall to square here in the center of nobliss. what we're also hearing now that it's not just here in other towns in the occupied west bank. and then people are being cool to close those shots on a general strike. we're hearing about that in ramallah, in hebron. so in bethlehem, so this is something a period of morning mix. we protest, i guessed that spreading across the ups by west bank, the palestinian prime minister. so now spoken, he's called these radio. me a terrorist on the aisle accent multis brigade of which of which this map was a leader of his own. so said that the 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were back to the top of the hour. stay with us. ah, a president on the run. the facility of corruption was amazed. aliens stolen al jazeera investigative unit has obtained a cache of secret files. sounds like an agreement between the criminal those you can assign it to his, your blood, the nation robbed with the help of western banks. they use london as a safe haven. it's a kind of business. we reveal how ukraine is being robbed for a 2nd time. under the nose of your socrates. we simply didn't have confirmation. and this looks like the confirmation the proceeds go to an oligarch in hiding a man fueling a war fought by russian separatists in ukraine. just shows the way these guys do business, the gene. it's on that ring. first, we'll read off a fair my information you presented is what i call the pipe through which dirty money from russia, ukraine, other countries all flow through hm, what will they think it might done? now, leave me sophisticated during the uprising, keeps musicians headed to independence square, alongside thousands of protest. among them was oper trainer tatiana, such as you perform all the things you pull in the field. i am used in 5th anymore. well, i will show you in a left there. sure, extra nash not for me, for the case, chin here. i'm not sure if long. oh, the president had refused to sign an agreement to bring ukraine closer to europe. the goal of revolution was not only thriving towards the goal, was also to how's a fair play, the perils of the game. and there was a show was against corruption. the 3 months key of independence square became a battlefield over a 100 people lost their lives. ah, then 1 february night, ukraine's president began to move house. ah, president victor young coach fled his country with help from russian special forces . he was flown by helicopter to moscow. ah, this isn't a had to pay my present in the system by so the for oh for tatiana ukraine's leaders like villains in a comic corporate credit union. chris kim, kim michael, i need them for fuck, you show me what's wrong? oh, they can run away from the country. the entire korean treasury accounts had a few $1000.00. so the point is that entire treasury was robbed. a soon after the revolution, ukraine's people discovered how their president had been living zoned to. so source on was that the iraq isn't that mission with me now? to give dollars the extent to sort of absurdity of descriptions, amazing story log cabin thing, the biggest log cabin in the world setting a frankly amazing estate. so enormously, if you're gonna walk around it, you're not gonna get around it in a day. ah, was which fine liable of schwartz said palace. you see cautious, you could fill that out to fill bahati full i you know, push and even one of the new one a little bit of a blue school chair. previously the palace was hidden from view even on satellite maps. company now a nationalist group runs guy did tools of this monument to corruption ah news from all of my city. now you wellness for dollars. when these nearly did for i will of recei, you will receive forgiveness will sudden, ins, oldham yet the command of the command specials up let the ladies to pieces yield christology. and then ye knows the nic loose dark from within budget to swadell sky, blues store le, gear leverage keith, doug ballad. no, this has just thought seems so lowly stanley schofield thought for drama. said dewey isn't godsig. what's the position it thought not $4000.00 is al moon. yeah. when you, so when you call in, as a matter of seconds, would you give us all of them are solvable course and then the these that you today . but if one will not a workable of 18. no men that if we mccord on so killed yet. but the command, the whole point of was a thought this is building the palace still gods, a secrecy them with the name of its re alona hotel within the vienna voyager in the quote, which did not keep minute on his name. even his main house, let him spend last years of his life. you grant it was registered on to charity fund. not on the english himself. behind that charity, a dizzying web of companies based in tax havens around the world. ah ah. i'm will jordan. a come to key of ukrainian capital. alger 0 is investigative unit, has obtained a dr. filled with hundreds of documents about yana coaches, network, bank statements, contracts and e mails from 2011 through the revolution until 2015. they place victor yana cove. it the ultimate eastern european oligarch at the helm of global corruption network. this investigation is about how that network still operates today. and through one crooked contract, we see how oligarchs do business. often with the unwitting assistance of western banks. we've called it the quick pace deal. unbelievable. it sounds like an agreement between criminal justice if can assign it to his your blood. ah! by most estimates yana cove ich stoled, billions ukrainian investigators traced and froze 1500000000. a cypress based company called quick pace limited holds $160000000.00 of that in cash and bonds. but prosecutors froze this money because it's stolen. it can't be legally bored. no sold, can't trade. it's the point of this is it's happened to con, trade them as a low. yeah, i read this document and i understand that it's not a legal document. i wouldn't expect any court to enforce children just shows away these guys do business. i mean, the genius of that really the quick pace deal involves 2 oligarchs agreeing to buy the company and it's 160000000 and frozen assets from a mysterious seller. the contract is unsigned, but our evidence indicates the deal went ahead. they treat quick pace like buying a bankrupt company and agree a knock down price of just $30000000.00. they throw in a private jet as part of the payment. this is really interesting discovery. this is distress debt. i see you get these companies in the city of london who, if someone's refusing to pay the debt, they buy it for 20 pay on the pound and then do their utmost to get it back and make a profit on it. the oligarchs would make a clean at $130000000.00 profit. they believe they can unfreeze the assets, or as they call it, remove the arrest and pocket the money. they just need to persuade judge to lift the frieze. mm hm. and if you have insurance, if the course which you do in a crock jurisdiction, ukraine, you can then use that influence to try and release the assets and make your money out of it. ah, the majority of judges in ukraine, they are themselves engaged corruption. they steal those pointed onto yardi can accomplish. ah, we've gathered evidence that establishes which all agog. so trying to make elicit profits from the quick pace deal does. we've shown this to investigators including john benton, the foam ahead of the international corruption unit at britons national crime agency. these are really, really complex investigations. you've got to go through thousands and thousands and thousands. it's following the money and working out essentially the route the money takes. it appears that quick pace, limited was part of a massive embezzlement and money laundering network. under the yana cove, its regime is illegal to be trading frozen assets. let's face planning for them moving. they say criminal offense, the whole idea is i phrased yes it, because i think it's the proceeds of crime, like trading in stolen goods that have been taken by the place. you put in a caching the ghetto, a car. yeah. ah, documents revealed it by a one in the quick, they steal is alexander on a shanker, who operates behind offshore company, fast to low trading limited. you'll typically ukrainian oligarchy. oligarchy is a term that most people don't know 20 years ago. it's kind of come out of the russian system out of the russian privatization program, and these are extremely rich people with he loves horses. he's a flamboyant oligarchy. like spending money on expensive things like they older piece bomb said the miss ukraine contest and partied with the stars. pamela anderson, paris hilton, jean claude van damme with anesha co, like a lot of ukrainians, made money in the gas business. and i started to produce gas in ukraine. actually, a ronald, the biggest company again that was sold 3 years ago on a shank. i was seeking asylum in europe and agreed to be interviewed because he believed it would help play his name. at 1st we didn't say that we knew about the secret quick pace deal. he was happy to talk about his famous friends. you know, donald trump. yeah. he's doing horse competition in on beach. also, she was no one on this conquest miss universe. 5th, you'd want this in moscow. i met him there, so there was relations choose. mm. i'll document reveals by a to in the quick pace deal puddle fucks, his company, dorchester international incorporated. he's a real estate tycoon who featured in a russian business program. tina fido combine. you want to see to go see me. nick lashania, who's in the boy defi corbett. by should we think enough that on these the key folks promotes a hard man image deal with didn't approve of the like by a one folks. his friends with now u. s. president donald trump is negotiated with him several times since 2004, but never completed a deal to build a trump hotel in moscow. president putin has honored focus for his contribution to the russian economy. folks own several prestigious properties in the russian capital. he built this complex in partnership with the powerful son in law, a former russian president, boris yeltsin. another partner was a catholic businessman, later sentenced to jail over a multi $1000000000.00 fraud. because a, he's a tough boss. the ocean he very, that knew what her wonderful. and she could go to them. do it a month, got a few back, limited you for the live wisdom. go to include the deal. good. you live short of put it back on. yeah, that's good either of them burn your little said with the cocker. we put them for the star liquidity. mr. and mrs. folks publish social media snaps with a high profile julia and his wife. jacob ariba was jailed for 2 years in 2008. any u. s. money laundering, taste. folk. socialize is with influential politicians, a russian m. p from president hooton's party. now a senior banker, the mayor of ukraine, sick and city cock if left in a wheelchair, after a mafia style assassination attempt. mm hm. what's interesting about it is, cit, the extent to which he shows that the separation between ukraine and russia can be a bit skindeep, deletes have both ukraine in russia for them. it's basically the same country. the money flows backwards and forwards the business day. okay, backwards and forwards are the recently just oh, sure. company documents the panama papers, establishes folks at the helm of a huge global business empire. it begins with his offshore company, dorchester international incorporated, registered in st. kitts. and neither is it, as holdings in companies all over the globe in directly in golden, eagle trust, in jersey, owned by billionaire v. j. malia today facing extradition to india own fraud charges, which he denies. another link mining in tanzania and cameroon, to palm oil 1000000000 as in malaysia, even state to run pharmaceuticals in cuba. they all operators are kind of trans national klan now have bad lawyers and signed for some of them money . and it's an international structure which they've creative since the fall of the soviet union, which is very, very resilience and very hard to penetrate to since the collapse of the soviet union. a quarter century ago. ukraine's been cold between russia and the west. after the 2014 revolution, a pro western governments been in place live, it's launched a war on corruption, ford by a national anti corruption bureau, built on american and european money. i'll bring it up to mobile, made up any i think on this. and then also throw in the on the america bother you. more than likely they, well, the bureaus well known for arresting low level judges and civil servants and counting out that cash on camera. but it hasn't got any high level convictions between an ocean, but firms. this is certainly brother. come to, did he pick a place, a shuffling a so was just motion bushes put one in it should wish him abroad in those little in pushing the shamans to put in. it appears that the revolution that toppled yana cove. ich did not remove the oligarchs who served him. upa gossip and your mother both both of shows of the process that would listen to post at the progress got put him glibly. this mission. mm. i so clean. just leaning his head to put him on this. i suppose she did it before noon by a one in the quick pace deal. alexander on a shank is on the run in western europe with his riches the ukraine government says he swindled them out of a $100000000.00 on a gas deal. on a shank o says the president told him to bribe em paste and is now turned against him. yeah . was it in? oh great, that's why i am now in europe. mm . actually the suitcases. political motivation case. would you say you're against corruption there, but you've paid bribes. you've been corrupt. i've been caught up in just a selection of what i didn't say in the whole country. that is not otherwise. there is not a way on a shank. i was the anti corruption bureaus most wanted fugitive the hunting him for the guests swindle. they rated his office in march 2016, even had his mother arrested in madrid during that raid we understand they picked up a copy of our document. the quick pace deal despite this, they seem to be doing little to bring the oligarchs involved to justice of the nation. anesha good e. mr. sees can businessmen of, fulsome, the community said they were mine. no, we're only the content when you simone. i'm with trust espanola, g company in the you, mr. sanction. i'm you. louis dionte by a to hobbled fucks, a man whose business empires bounced the globe. we traced some of his property assets. mrs. folks is a social media star regularly in london. the photographer always takes pictures in the same place. the market bell gravy, a neighbourhood near the spanish embassy, and at home sweet home. we located the building, property records show it was purchased in 2012 for $25000000.00 pounds or around $40000000.00. by another company based in the british virgin islands called latina associates limit, using a mortgage from barclays bank. the panama papers leak reveals that latina associates is owned by mrs fox and mr. fox, his company to which is the international london is a favorite destination for many oligarchs and their money london as an international fund that you said, we don't just have the professional services that can be hijacked and used. we also have all the trimmings where you want to spend your money in london, you can buy anything. you buy yourself mentioning kensington. you buy yourself a lot of fun off of the base. the buyers over your to the lunch by shy. ah, this building in central london house is a company called chesterfield greg. it's what's called a company formation agent. the crucial tool for any oligarchs such as pebble folks for a small fee, they'll set up a company for you and you can remain anonymous. it can be of sure with an address that's not use the names director wouldn't be you. the name secretary wouldn't be you. you simply control it in the background. while you will know many cutouts protect your identity. mm hm. if anyone ever comes to ask the question, they just throw their hands up in the air and say, i don't know, i was just nominee director and i was this just to feel group. i came to ask you some questions about public books. and so effectively, these cut out characters, then d, personalize, and distance, the money from any of the real perpetrators of the situation. we emailed and cooled you, but you didn't respond. you can create a company in the 13 pounds and it takes you, i've done it that 9 minutes. hello? no one checks the information that you provide. literally no, there are 350000 companies. cr it by company formation agents in the u. k. every year, ah, this all face and chesterfield group a closely linked to folks. ah, chesterfield building is owned by a company based in the british virgin islands. gibberish group bought in 2015 for around $5000000.00 with a barclays mortgage. gerberg group is owned by fixes company, dorchester international chesterfield has branches in cyprus. i love matt island, the bahamas, and of course, london, in many cases. dorchester international is the names director if you could accompany formation h a registered and that company formation h, it is fully companies for you. and that media lays suspicious as a huge, huge alarm about just the field appears to be a captive company formation agent. in other words, creating companies for its own respect. perfect sense man. if i was not gump, i'll do that. yeah. own your own company. flesh, asian. why not sell them to you? makes given here. slight 2nd christmas present. got his london company with the bank, jack brennan, in part to re confront alexander on a shank time. one of the buyers of quick pace. there is like kind of business that you can buy cheaper in regard to defeated the program to, to make the money and we reveal a man believe to be the seller of the frozen assets these unbalanced and unhinged, he's a vengeful person, unprincipled and ruthless live and robust debate, a lot of folks when they hear the word refugee think stranger, they think other law literally stuck in these camps. it's regardless of your range . the way you're coming from. you said, give everybody safety from global issues to those that need to be heard. human rights and land defenders and brazil, they live in a circumstance of permanent violence and intimidation. the street where a global audience becomes a global community on al jazeera, bold, and i'm told stories from asia and the pacific on al jazeera. ah i'm sammy zaden. lindau with a look at the headlines here now to sierra, the senior commander of the palestinian arm group. the alex some authors brigades has been killed in a raid by israeli forces in the occupied westbank. the military says it surrounded the home of abraham. the both see the foreign exchange of gunfire. 2 others were killed in the operation. more than 60 people were injured. john holman has more from nablus. there's so many people around them. what's called the multi square here in the center of novelist. what we're also hearing now that it's not just here in other towns in the occupied westbank. the people are being called to close shots on a general strike. we're hearing about that in ramallah, in hebron, so in bethlehem. so this is something a period of morning mix with protest, i guess that spreading across the bi westbank, the public prime minister. now spoken, he's called these radio ami a terrorist on the voting is on the way in kenya's presidential election, author campaign, dominated by concerns about high inflation and corruption. the 2 front runners are former prime minister riley and the current deputy president william router races to replace outgoing leader who can jasa, who's expected to be close. both is, are also costing balance for parliament and county governors. former us president don from says the f b i is so she's florida. home believes to be part of an investigation into whether he took classified records from the white house with private residence. ukrainian officials say lebanese buyer is refusing to accept corns in the 1st congo shipment to leave the war zone since the invasion there is any, was loaded with 26 and a half 1000 tons of corn. it's now looking for another port to dock at. the ukrainian embassy and lebanon says the by argued the 5 month delivery delay was too long. taiwanese military is held a live fire artillery drill, simulating a defense of the self governing island. it follows days of chinese military exercises in the air and be around taiwan. china launch the drills in response to us how speak cannot be below these visit to ty pay last week. taiwan drills will include the deployment of hundreds of troops and about 40 long range. when we're back at the top, our stay with us. ah, in part one, how full me ukrainian president, victor young coverage stole billions. $1500000000.00 was frozen. we have obtained documents that expose a plot in 2015 to steal again. $160000000.00 of that money is held in a company called quick pace limited. it involves 2 oligarchs, pavel folks and alexander on a shank. i'm planning to buy quick faces, frozen assets at a knock down price on blue, it sounds like an agreement between criminal justice. if can assign it to his your blood. now we reveal where the stolen money is destined and the identity of the reclusive 3rd oligarch believe to be selling the frozen assets. these unbalanced and unhinged, he's a vengeful person, unprincipled and ruthless. the story about documents takes us back to the hey day if the corruption of ukraine's former president yana cove itch. deeper into one network of his offshore companies . it traces to pass hundreds of millions of dollars out of ukraine from 2011 to his escape. in 2014 through foreign bank accounts and into the pockets of young coach and his cronies. she cried became independent in 1991. it has been essentially looted by its beliefs again and again and again. and the tactics they use are essentially always identical. faceless lawyers, accountants and bankers help to pass hundreds of millions of dollars around the network. some as loans referenced, redistribution of means, summers payments for building materials, home electronics, some because motor bikes, even park, a flooring in the philosophy of money, wanderers is to create a situation where the money has moved to so many different companies in so many different countries. i mean so many different accounts, thereby effectively wandering and because nobody has the resources to, i figured out, ah, while he was still in power, the piano coverage network used quick pace to launch money. sometimes moving relatively small amounts via complex paths. with the help of western banks. one document showed a payment of $4400000.00 made by quick pays from its nominal home as a cypress registered company. the money was held in a quick phase account in vienna with austria's mine old bank. it was wired to an account in frankfort with comments back on to deutsche bank in new york. it ended up at voltage international bank in latvia, new account of a shell companies, folks tron networks, limited folks drawn like quick ice is registered in cyprus. none of the banks appear to have raised a red flag. what's called a suspicious activity report for easy for a bank to fill out a suspicious activity. 4th is actually press the button. the trouble is a who's digesting this, the suspicious activity reports. and the answer is, in many cases, nobody. the documents, linking quick pace to foxtrot networks in turn, link quick pace to one of the world's highest profile. money laundering scandals. it was discovered by russian accounted sir gay magnet school. he was working for an investment firm based and go and run by bill brown. sergei exposed it. he was then arrested, tortured and killed in prison. mm. the russian government says magnet sky died of natural causes and accuses browder of the fraud browed claims. russian officials stole $230000000.00 in state fund. a huge quarter $1000000000.00 russian government, embezzlement, synonymous with justice and corruption in russia. frightening reminder of how quickly money can disappear. all documents reveal it. foxtrot networks had been wired money by quick pace. in march 2014. we then discovered that foxtrot was owned by one of the companies at the heart of the magnet ski a fed final limited final limited is one of these central parts of the apparatus, like the spigot on the pipe. mm. final is effectively a nominee company. that is the director for a number of very crucial points in this money laundering network. both quick pace and the company wide money to folks trone networks, a registered in cyprus, rich ukrainians funnel their money off shore to cyprus and, and of woods beyond. and then bring it back again. so it looks like foreign investments. you can't really tell the loans in the quick pace deal. another cypress company pronto service limited is named as the seller of the $160000000.00 in frozen assets. but prone to service is just a cutout and norman e shareholder is owns the assets on paper, but the re alona is hiding behind it. christina cyrus is the name secretary of pronto service, a cypress loya and off shore expert. cyrus refused our request for an interview war to divulge the name of the person behind the service. but we tracked it down in a secretly recorded conversation. she confirmed that quick pace had been sold looking at a company called quick pace. and so i remember it was enough clothing and it was in the cypress company registry shows, quick pace was transferred to one of public books is many companies and the mole property holdings with the help of his company formation agent, chesterfield. ready ready ah, the leaked documents also provide evidence that the quick pace deal was done, or at least that his 1st phase began. pebble folks apparently made a payment from a london bank, a transfer $2000000.00 from barclays, canary wolfe, georgia bank in new york was used to move the money. they passed it to an offshore company with an account in latvia and a mystery owner. the money went through no red flags. western banks have had a hard time making money over the last few years. so when somebody shows up and says, i like to set up an account, but $100000000.00. i could have to look for a pretty good reason not to set up that account all the documents in the leak lead us to a british village, north of london. under british law is a type of company that allows foreign owners to avoid tax and scrutiny. it's called a limited liability partnership companies. brilliant. some people couldn't get to a cause for corrupt money. i have had a better described as on the plate. 0, one of the companies is registered here. this is the official office of a company with hundreds of millions of dollars. finkel resources, l. l. p. according to bank statements, lead to us finkel, made $328000000.00 in just 6 months of 2013. but in public accounts filed with u. k. authorities finkel claimed it made less than $7000.00. it looks like fraud, so he came to ask about it. the manages of the address of the registered office had refused our request for an interview. for one is will july my work without a 0. we doing a, an investigation into a ukraine. this hod fit, your office is registered over 1500 companies. so the people who work here just run a post book service with the director, secretary and address all be in proxies finding out who really owns a company, can be almost impossible if you own something in your own. then if you look on the company register in the property register or that he gave us all of his house. but if i own that house in company, and if my british company is owned by that, say, a separate company, think my separate company is owned by, let's say, a panamanian company. and if my main company's on by neve is company, and if you want to find out who i am in this house, you have to go to every one of those jurisdictions and ask them to enter that company. ah, hello. hello . i wanted to ask about a couple of company. ah cinco resources, ah finkel resources features in the files. it's know many directors were also involved in the magnet ski scandal. latvians citizen called your re bittman, signed the papers within. cool. he's just a cutout for the person who really owns and controls the company. another director is stun goren. again, a cutout whose name is regularly used as a frontman by money loaders. these name direct as may be paid for, then no many role, but a likely ignorant of any fold information you've presented is what i call the pipe . this is the pipe through which dirty money from russia, ukraine, other countries in that part of the world all flow through these are all effectively part of the same criminal operation. ah, the pipeline leads to moscow. as well as the links with the magnet ski effect, the documents feature, hundreds of emails from lawyers faced in s o consent to conceal the name of that client. they write him cryptic language. good evening. february 26, 2015. for the book on the top shelf technical task, read the book and give a positive review of the council. the decision of 3 flaws to leave enforced the decision of one and 2 flows. sincerely is it agreed with my supervisor. but who is the supervisor? we found the answer buried deep in a key document alone agreement shows. quick pace was used to put up collateral by a company called vet, act media, invest in order to borrow huge funds. in october 2013 vatike belongs to sir gay kitchen, known as the baby faced guest king of ukraine. by age 27, he was with $400000000.00 from a president janica, which apparently treated him like a wallet. katrinka gave cash to the president whenever he needed it. ah, he's given control of a chunk of the gas trade. he made a lot of money for himself and then he cut back most of it then to his pistol patrons, which was a kind of issue which is son, is more evidence pointing to get jenko was the seller a lawyer called or is good self appears in the emails russian business records show, he's director of united media holdings. united media used to belong to sir gay kit jenko, which in quote was just business men. but i can say a very talented, corrupt guy, because he used your entreaties schemes very unusual schemes to still won today. he's in hiding and moscow wanted in ukraine sanction in the u. s. and europe. his office is in a skyscraper complex, developed by puzzled folks. is companies 2 of his former drivers told us more about him. katrinka was always asking when we will arrive. if you don't answer immediately unified. it was the worst job i ever had. he swears he screams it, his employees, he fires $2.00 to $3.00 people every month. he's very inadequate. the drive is worried that they'll be in danger. if that former boss finds out they've been talking to us. these unbalanced and on the engine. he's a vengeful person, unprincipled and ruthless kinko's only given 3 interviews to journalists, one was even going off at the law. yeah. which think you will lay by if really my leave to up could is the least the diversity or either not rather than in the mean. yeah. i'm yes. awesome. ah yes. although i can them. yeah. also sna dash expel. i keep spook of 20 says i have to put sheet james elk and yet daniel's buckwheat is yeah for them post sent them. you will go to post yoga fell almost i didn't. you don't wish griffin, you know. we tracked down to jenko using information from his full, my chauffeurs. he's guarded by alpha group fullness counter terrorism, special forces they are, fulton was and have state metals. they are armed with rubber, bullets just before 70. i'm the gods receive information that he's coming. they get in position. ah, there are 5 calls. 18 people in the convoy. the cause of fitted was signal block is with the $200.00 me to range. the convoy includes um, security could jenko, travels in the 2nd bullet proof vehicle as a mobile ambulance with a medic. as a 4th vehicle blocking the entrance to the complex and a 5th sweep icon, jenko had an argument with some chechen guys in a restaurant. after that, he stepped up, his security pitching co rushes out, glimpsed for a split 2nd, before he is in the building. ah, his doth bring his things and the drive as park and white. we often drive into the ministry of economic development, the ministry of natural resources, the national space agency, full. so the russian presidential administration, state guest firm gas from state oil firm rosen, aft state funded ctb bank own just with little ridge. ah. you look at the revised intake of sketchy school paste. ah young and neither the shipping on the good on put the up is very sad when you worse forgive the was more than just usually when you crash, like i will have to ukraine spy agency reports that he's helping the russian side in the conflict in ukraine. he's running some of the biggest coal oil and gas companies in annexed crimea and areas controlled by russian separatists. almost always whistle. it's of no, a stomach gauge. sure. e in august, i'm virginia will guns for didn't connect next week. now to sierra to feed the program, to me to make the money says about when i revealed that we had the quick based document on a shanker denied that the deal went ahead. it was like normal these, but this one is not happened yet. we didn't buy it didn't, but not they wanted to sell us houses which was already frozen. they gave us very good discount, but then with chick fil a slacker on possible tool on for the electric. ah, they may not. yes, have made money, but all evidence directly contradicts on a shank. his account that the deal did not go ahead. official documents record a change of a ship of quick pace. a lawyer in cyprus said the sale had happened a time. so yeah, i remember a conclusion was and that was closing. ukraine's anti corruption bureau also confirmed the sale. ah, anesha e. mr. this is can businessman of fulsome liquidity so it never happened to marry him. ah, oh, what's about help with not visual control, alt shows, 0. where was the just at the offices of ukraine's anti corruption bureau, a powerful politician with his entourage has arrived to complain of this month. the cobra bullock, nate scheme, oberon moran was left. was president of the union, wondering william beaumont. oh, what the good me long use for both. there was like a while digging in on you for watching with wish and come up with a millionaire. politician. had just learned that he was under investigation. that way you go with one, which one do you that what, what do you think we believe that what would die of the argument all streamed live on national television is easy. crane's corruption of fight, wealthy politicians versus nasa hollered, netscape. the young new anti corruption prosecutor, morton of cousin appeared to put the last war show. said he, but i also wish chambliss could this have come up with them to provide you either way of massage but which does not. okay. know it less dallas eat gone. cynical. acute was are all brick wall while your vehicle grades you ms. young. i thought, yonder what mamma do y'all, vio, county, we are witnessing the old traditional corrupt system. always with you. i wanted to know who tried to the heiress possible to destroy this new agent. scully was wanting make sure that his either think you bought that this quote, actually wasn't the one, the one who don't kill at all. my thing is now i'm just at the tone but a that the anti corruption bureau is drowning and paperwork that i was behind. so it's pretty high school. but even that appears to be an illusion. ah, we track down the jet sitting at luton airport in the u. k. it was sold in march last year for $25000000.00. today it's for charlotta to the super rich, costing around $30000.00 an hour. can i see one of your private jeff norm? the book there is no. this is not for me, but julia ah for it's people now the poorest in europe. the ukrainian tragedy plays on hold on to pick up my don. i ended up on a fuel. yeah, oh my gosh, i flew. it went up within that that it was ha, if that was there, like bacardi. so what, what the little brought up at all i study war. hm. it was a new show. see what you made that. so the lean show police on the person that in the study pushes deleted. the claim was able to alexander on a chateau has now been granted asylum in spain. pebble fuck says stepping up his investments in ukraine buying gas companies and possibly a bank. ah, so gay kit jenko has london lawyers working to overturn his sanctions and on fries is money, i guess the way. but if you look at the amount of money that stolen in developing countries globally 3 year estimated at a trillion dollars, but how much is recovered out of every $1000.00 that stolen? $0.25 with leslie that you should be all the need to pull up with the blow calling especially my beneficial payday or if the marshall with for b ah a 3 year investigation into the pro gun lobby we've been in florida was moving to really kind of reveal secrets really want to point put messaging out there, good people out, race get mad and connections. some don't want to exposed. many in legacy media love mass shoes, dot net with my al jazeera investigations. how to sell a massacre on al jazeera, we understand the differences, familiarity of cultures across the world. so no matter how you take it out 0, 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hello. welcome to today's "worldwide exchange." i'm ross westgate. >> and i'm kelly evans. these are your headlines from around the world. >> investors cheer barclay's strategic overhaul, the bank is cutting 3,700 jobs, trimming weakness. >> inching towards global currency wars, the warning from the world bank will urge economies to stick to a market base exchange rate system. and another day, another bank. >> and we're just hours away from president obama's state of the union address. he's expected to call on more tax hikes and fewer spending cuts. >> announcer: you're watching "worldwide exchange," bringing you bes news from around the world. welcome to today's program. it is tuesday. >> yeah. >> and loreal is talking about the strong euro in france. >> right into trading down double digits this morning. another story in italy, it seems like the entire world press core at this point will be desending on trade. >> yes, they will, with the pope and the italian elections. >> i think it was something like 10,000 journalists for the pope the last time. it's a huge event. it will be four days after the italian election. >> i don't know how the bars cope, frankly, right when that's going on. >> we're going to head to the stages of hollywood, florida. the etf shows in signs of chilling down. >> and we'll get a view from the french finance minister on the strength of the euro. plus we'll get a view from seoul as firms have conducted a third nuclear test. >> and we'll be looking at loreal, suggesting that the strong euro is a problem in france. but first, turn our attention to barclay's. it's unveiling operational changes. the goods reducing head count by around 3,700 people by reducing its overall cost cutting base. barclay's will close its structured capital markets business and focus on investing in britain, u.s. and africa. they also posted earnings for 2012, down 6 million pounds versus 5 million last year due to a reduction in the value of the bank's debt along with situation payments for the selling of financial products. barclay's rate dividend to 6.5 shares for 2013 is off to a fairly roam start. joining us first is oliver ralph, financial times lex writer. oliver, thank you so much, indeed, for joining us. what do you make for what you've heard from anthony jenkins this morning? they're obviously trying to say it's going to take time, we're trying to restore our reputation. is it the right thing? >> yeah, it is the right thing. they've launched the business. the core of the bank remains the same. london investment bank and new york investment bank. the core of the bank remains the same. they're making changes around the area and the core of it is as it was. >> talk about the investment bank in particular. this has been the place where not just barclay's, but a lot of the competitors, too, try and wind things down. this is a place that's been pretty profitable in the last quarter. >> it is. and they're tied slightly with the investment bank. it's a big part of barclay's profit so he couldn't make big changes. he's announced radical cuts last year. that said, he has promised changes to bring costs down which would shift the balance slightly of shareholders. the cost income ratio was about 55% in 2012. he promised to bring that down to the mid 50s. >> just to stay on this point for a second, even ubs has quietly slowed, perhaps, what it was planning to do. it was the investment bank, in fact, that was one of the healthier parts of the business. >> absolutely. it's been a good end to last year for some parts of the investment bank. maybe bad to cut back too hard on that. and i don't think anthony jenkins could have done that given the amount of profits that it provides. nevertheless, credit cards and retail bank are traditionally high returning areas. >> why do you think investors are so cheered by what they hear out of barclay's this morning? stocks up about 3.7%. >> i think they like the cost cuts, they like the t talk of investment elsewhere. also, the fact that finally he's laid out what it is in terms of investors. since anthony jenkins took over last year, he's talked a lot about making barclay's a more ethical bank. we've seen those in the results this morning at 2.5 pounds revisions. so i think they like the take in that and he's now added to those fans in terms of financials. >> we have an analyst that is suggesting the stock is up because there was a fear of something more radical. do you think that's fair? >> yeah, there was i suppose a question mark about whether he would try to split the investment bank off from the retail bank. there was some political pressure to do that. i don't think that financially they will trade a lot in the investment bank and this isn't really a great time to do that. it's doubtful whether they would find the investment for that they would need. there was a lingering fear that might happen. >> oliver, thank you so much for joining us. now, north korea says it has successfully carried out its third underground nuclear test. it involved a miniature device. that could indicate they have produced a warhead small enough to fit on a long range missile. the eu secured council called an emergency meeting. chery joins us now from seoul. can you tell us first of all what the general reaction has been there and a lot bit about the impact of the economy. we're watching, for example, the south korea and won take a hit this morning. >> well within not much of a reaction on the kospi. it did end down just about 0.26% here. but i wouldn't say it's a big tumble and it is korean won gained. i think by now investors have learned that north korea related tensions and developments, geopolitical issues like this have had impact on the korean market. so that explains the absence of such strong reaction on the stock market. but the latest that we have on this development is that we have china's reaction to north korea's nuclear tests, as well. china's foreign ministry statement goes that it is china's firm stance to realize nonnuclearization for the korean peninsula and prevent a nuclear proliferation and maintain peace and stability in northeast asia. remember, china is north korea's probably one and only ally and that it's been pretty patient with its bad behavior and this nuclear test could complicate things a bit, given that the chinese support was to maintain the status quo in the region. guys, back to you. >> chery, thanks very much. we should note the international response has been swift. you saw president obama calling for swift reaction. india saying reports of the nuclear test are a matter of deep concern according to a foreign ministry statement. moving down to conco which has expressed solidarity with its ceo who has just been arrested for alleged bribes. shares have just resumed trade in malan. now, ross, they're down something less than 9%. we did see closer to a 15% decline earlier. over to you. >> thanks for that, kelly. here we are just over an hour into the trading day in europe. pretty even stevens, actually. we're keeping our focus in the uk on barclay's. as we are on the xetra dax and the ibex and the cac 40. so no clear direction, as you can see. now, the nikkei was trading again today. let's show you where we've finished with the nikkei. up 2%. this morning, the yen was weakening again. we've seen it down against the dollar. we were bound at those may 2010 lows yesterday. shanghai composite up 0.5%. the hang seng up slightly, as well. we were flat in australia and the kospi down slightly flat. the aussie/dollar continuing to weaken in this, as well been bond market -- you do that sometimes. they throw et up. it should have been gray if it was closed. i don't know why it wasn't. spanish yields are slightly low. 5.37%. we're looking at btb auction which will be key for italy tomorrow. in the uk, keep our attention on cpi. the annual rate of inflation is expected to tick up to 2.8% from 2.7% the last time around. of course, we're getting inflation reports tomorrow, as well. on the currency markets, euro/dollar. currently trading at 1.3394. 1.3325 is the low that we hit at the beginning of the week. dollar/yen, 94.13. 94.65 with the may 2010 highs as we hit the session. aussie/dollar, 1.0236. sterling/dollar, below 11.56 as we wait for that intlagz report. that's why we stand. >> it's a tale of two commodities for mining giant xstrata. we'll give you all the analysis and what it means for the sector when we come back. great, everybody made it. we all work remotely so this is a big deal, our first full team gathering! i wanted to call on a few people. ashley, ashley marshall... here. since we're often all on the move, ashley suggested we use fedex office to hold packages for us. great job. 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[ male announcer ] hold packages at any fedex office location. michelin has raised its dividend. the world's second biggest carmaker is pledged to hold on to the gains even as sales volumes remain flat. >> sales are tradeling higher for michelin. you can see shares down about 0.2% in early trade. asia continues to be the group's major driver of growth. they also, ross, have an iconic kelly bag, i believe. not that i have one. >> i think i would need a mortgage to have one of those bags. >> thyssenkrupp says it doesn't anticipate the global economy this year. the group posted a 38%. its core markets are likely to see minimal growth. and mining giant xstrata posted key results in its copper business. nicholas brooks joins us now. how do you play this as an investor? do you do the reverse? >> what i say is that generally in the environment we're in thou, we're seeing a pick up in u.s. growth, pick up in chinese growth. we're starting to see a pick up in demand for key industrial commodities. i think at this point you're starting to see investors shift away from the cyclical commodities such as gold. >> it's shifting away from the nor defensive types of assets and even more in the commodities space moving more to the industrials. >> paladium, platinum up at seven-month highs. what is behind that? >> we're starting to see a pick up in growth in china and the u.s. the world's two largest economies. also you're seeing issues on the copper. there are a lot of problems in terms of getting these medals out of the ground. for platinum, 80% of it is produced in south africa. when you have labor issues, it has a big impact on supply. on the palladium side, we have the russian state slowing down substantially. it's stockpiled sales. you're seeing a squeeze -- >> supply side issues, as well. >> absolutely. and you're seeing a pick up in demand. that's been driving prices. >> are you suggesting that maybe copper because we always look at the gauge of industrial copper demand? is it not the best metal to do so any more? is it gold, is it something else? >> it's a good question. i think in the end, copper will perform fairly well. if there are power issues in the congo or issues on the labor side and at the same time, we're seeing a big pick up on increasing demand in china. when i look at etp flows, the largest we've seen across our exchange traded products has been in etps. >> what about the number of commodity hedge funds that have been shutting down that haven't been able to generate the returns. is it affecting liquidity or the types of products that are out there? >> no, i don't think so. i think it's unfortunate that the past couple of years have been pretty volatile markets and have been driven by a lot of factors that are particularly hard to predict, like issues in spain or greece and global macro factors and i think that's had an impact on a lot of hedge funds results. i would argue as we move into this year, things are going to become more clear because we're moving into more normal commodities. >> why do you see gold etfs going, as well? it's struggling to get above -- where are we, 1700, 1750, back of those ranges. >> i think what's going on with gold are interest rate expectations are increasing. higher interest rates and a stronger dollar usually are good for goal. gold is facing a lot of headwinds. i think that's going to continue as long as we're in this risk on environment. but i would make the point that gold tends to perform very well when you see big risk events. for example, if you start to see issues in spain, spain yields start backing up in a substantial way or if you start to see problems north korea with the atomic bomb explosions. so a lot of investors are holding gold and gold will perform well. >> is the biggest risk to gold, though, is when yields, government bond yields back up and then when we get a return of a yield environment, isn't that when gold is going to step up? because then the opportunity cost of holding it shoots through the roof. >> absolutely. i think that definitely causes head wednesday. but you have to look at the big picture. and as long as we've got the debt problems, particularly in the u.s. and also in europe, there are concerns about currency debasement and the idea that it's going to be very difficult for these country is to pay back their debt without at some point driving inflation higher, i think there are a lot of core investors, a lot of long-term strategic investors including central banks. look at the russian states were recently that i think are going to want to hold gold because we're in a very special environment with the world's major developed economies that are backing the world's major reserve currencies having structural debt issues. and i think a lot of investors are looking at gold as an alternative hard currency. >> that's for sure, nicholas brooks from etf securities joining us on set this morning. thank you so much. >> thanks. group of seven nations reportedly planning to issue a statement on currencies, speaking of which, at 7:00 cnt. we've seen some pretty sharp currently moves in and around the statement this week. it comes this week after the g-20 meeting this russia where the group is expected to -- from market determined exchange rat about growing rhetoric about currency wars. ross, it's kind of extraordinary when you're in a situation where they're talking about the need for emphasizing the need for market-based currencies. >> yeah, exactly. currencies were also discussed last night. the officials at the g-20 summit at the end of the week is a more appropriate place to discuss currency moves. >> silvia wadhwa is in brussels and she recently caught up with the french finance minister and began by asking him about just how concerned he is about the strength of the euro. >> in a strong euro to a dead euro. six months to go, the question is is the euro going to survive? the euro is going to survive. if people today buy the euro, it's because the euro gains confidence from the people. but at the same time, it's not a good news if we are not able to answer the aggressive attitudes on the parts of the world. we must fight the currencies. we must enter into currency wars. but at the same time, we must be capable of define iing at the wd level and call on its approach in the long run trying to stabilize because of the currencies. and in order to have these currencies reflecting the fundamentals of our economies. we had this discussion today between us at the level euro group. we don't all agree on the solutions. we all agree on the questions and we will have to have that discussion in moscow in the g-20 by the end of the week. >> now, we know, of course, that often there is lip serviced played. we all want a strong currency. but then, of course, the policies are exactly the opposite. what do you think europe can do or should do to countermand such an agent? >> i think europe must act alongside with the neighbores and partners. and the good feel to discuss that is certainly the g-20. >> and silvia is in brussels. she joins us for more. and we heard the loreal executive saying the currency is hurting business. nothing is going to happen on this, is it, siylvisylvia? >> i kind of dispute that. it might hurt the sheets when you trade back into you're own curren currency. we're not talking about something that happened on a five-year term. we're talking about something that happened on a two, three, four-month term. do people really stop with their delivery contracts? do they cancel the import or export contracts? i think history says otherwise. as for all the statements coming out of it, there's a bit of a trip, isn't it? on the one hand, we see the markets should decide where the currency should be. i think the biggest contribution to countermanding the volatility would be maybe to shut up. the more we have statements about where the currency should go or the other, the more we get volatility in the markets. so i think bottom line is what we're going to see out of the g-20 is probably straight from what we've seen before. they probably copy and paste the statement they had before. a strong currency in the long one is good for the economy and no one wants to embark on policies that don't reflect that proper economic power. but at the end of the day, we know in the real world it doesn't quite work like that. the americans have always locked their currency on the head and the japanese are doing likewise and the europeans are caught in the middle with a euro that remains strongish. >> i'm rather struck by the ireland sign behind you, sylvia. are they feeling good about themselves, are they? >> i'm not sure that is the right way to feel good about themselves, but this is their contribution to the ireland presidency. they will be heading out to dublin in april. >> always good, dublin. thanks, sylvia. >> bring us back some guinness. americans express is expanding its presence on twitter letting products link to their twitter accounts. we want to know if you would trust twitter and am ex to make such a payment. >> well, there is no payment associated with twitter. it's a messaging service. >> it's just linked up. we'll explain that. >> sounds like someone is all over it. investors cheer barclay's strategy overall. it's going to cut 3,700 jobs and trim its investment banking business after posting weaker than expected profits. the g-7 is set to -- the foreign stage as finance ministers coordinate economic policy to avoid a currency war. shares in mechanico plunge after a helicopter deal with india. and we're just hours away from president obama's state of the union address and the economy is expected to take center stage with the president calling on congress and more tax hikes with fewer spending cuts. . it was forecast, rpi, the annual rate on that. 3.3%. that has ticked higher from 3.2. rpiix, 3.3%. that was forecast at 3%, as well. the biggest contribution to cpi from alcohol and tobacco, kelly, the main downward pressure. >> is that just for me? alcohol and tobacco. >> i just wanted to make sure you knew about that. >> it's never a good sign when those are where the price targets are coming from, suggesting it's not fundamental strength but rather structural price changes. >> let's get a reaction to that. sterling has been down below 156. as i say, it was the annual rate slightly below what we were expecting. so it's picked up against the dollar. don, good morning to you. what do you make of this number? what does it mean going into tomorrow's inflation report? >> bang in line with expectations. so no changes as far as the market is concerned. this is increasingly about outside risk inflation. we've seen that manifested in the gilt market in rising inflation rates. part of that is on worries that the bank of england's focus on unflagz is likely to -- likely to diminish a little bit over the next year or two as it focuses more on supporting economic growth. but there is nervousness ahead of the inflation report. >> i wonder if you can elaborate on where we go from here. >> i'm not so much a currency expert, but certainly with regard to -- with regard to the overall picture, gilt, bond yields,en flagz, you know, they're increasing worries about upside inflation risk going forward. i think this is -- you know, we're in a bond market environment now where yields are steadily moving higher. and i think, you know, increasing worries about inflation at the very margin are helping to support this move and it's likely to continue over the coming months. as i said, if break even inflation rates are pushing higher, we're seeing greater interest and stronger demand. and i think this is something which will likely continue over the next year or so. we've got break even innation rates in the 20-year sector around about 320. i think we could well see a move up towards 350 basis points over the next five or six months or so. >> wages aren't going up and just in core inflation, dipping on the annual rate, 2.3, 2.4 down minus 2.4%. >> there are two focuses here, the short-term move and the long-term outlook. environment is depressing. the uk economy is arguably more inflation prone, certainly, than core european economies. and irrespective of this downward pressure on growth. i think it's astonishing that we haven't seen weaker inflation outturns in the uk over the last two years. so there's a sense that i guess the inflation environment is more vulnerable in the uk than the uk or core europe. and these worries persist. and, you know, any change to the focus and central bank strategy with regard to focusing on the inflation target i think just helps to exacerbate these concerns. >> all right. don, stick around. we'll come back to you in a short while. don smith from icap is still to come back to you, as well. european stocks are pretty flat on the session. the ibex slightly higher than it was. >> take a look at what's happened with the reaction. 2.1%, i should say, following from that weaker than expected inflation data. bunds roughly unchanged. pressure coming off in italy with those yields moving ever so slightly lower to 5.37% to 5.8% respectively. >> as far as currency markets are concerned, we just saw sterling reaction. euro/dollar is what we hit 1.3325 with the low earlier in the week yesterday. dollar/yen is not far away from 94. just off to the may 2010 high which we hit 94.46 or in u.s. trade the. >> that was a big move. now, president obama will deliver his state of the union address at 9:00 p.m. eastern. he's expected to revive his message asking congress about more tax increases and spending cuts. the congress will be focused on stabilizing the middle class and repairing the economy. his agenda is expected to include more money for education, clean energy, manufacturing jobs and infrastructure. some ideas will be repackaged from his first term. the white house says there will also be new ones. we'll have special coverage of the state of the union address tonight at 9:00 p.m. and 11:00 p.m. eastern. >> and michelle obama will have a special guest in his box, the apple ceo tim cook. it's the second year an invitation has been extended to apple. last year, steve jobs' widow was invited. and democrats plan to unveil a series of targets on tax increases on top earnings this week. that would replace the automatic cuts set to take effect on march 1st. aides say the tax dut would allow for a ten-month delay to that sequester. the plan is likely to be introduced on thursday, but the proposals are expected to be rejected by republican leaders. president obama may sign a protective order aimed as decreasing number of cyber attacks on wednesday. the order would give the department of homeland security the lead role in sharing cyber threats with private industry and protecting critical infrastructure. now, the story we mentioned earlier, american express is expanding its presence on twitter by allowing consumers to directly use the social networking site. they're not buying from twitter. the service is for customers who link their am ex card to their twitter account. a variety of products will be available as part of the first pro-moosal push. card holders basically tweet the products they want with a special hashtag and you reply to that tweet to confirm. then the item will be sent via free two-day shipping. >> you'll get a tweet from the brand saying are you interested in buying this product, special promotion. you will respond to that tweet with a hashtag. at the same time, am ex will receive a copy of that tweet because they're linked up, know you want to buy it. >> can i just say, you know how much we -- we leave ourselves logged in here all the time. >> i'm sure you want to buy it. then you'll go yes and am ex will see the transaction between it and the brand. >> it's basically taking the -- >> well, no, they're just using it as the message. they could do it on the mail. here is a special pro340egz. >> but it's all about verification. if they're able to verify something, a handwritten payment or you're checking out and you show your i.d. or a credit card, with twitter, all you have to do is be logged in and send these tweet toes confirm it. american express is pretty good, if there's fraud, you call and they take it off. but we stay logged in on twitter. it's not that hard for someone to pop into your account and be like, would ross like a new xbox 360? yes, sure. >> if am ex is sending a message to you on twitter saying, do you want this? and and how often do we see twitter hacked? >> quite a lot when it's mine. >> that's what i'm saying. are you sure you want to sign up for this? >> actually, i love sitting next to louisa. she's the most talented in the world. these are apparently things i write. >> so given this, would you use twitter to make payments? weigh in. we want to know what you think 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"worldwide exchange"@cnbc.wex. now, we're continuing to follow this story out of north korea overnight. more response from the international community, nato has condemned the north korean nuclear testing. we heard earlier the eu saying the north korea test is a blant challenge to the nonproliferation treaties. russia is urging halting illegal actions and we mentioned some of the early response we had heard from germany and the u.s., ross. >> yeah. right. we've got spanish auction results out. >> 2.5 billion euros at six-month bills. 3 billion euros of 12-month bills. all told, it looks as though they've raised about 5.5 billion worth of short data paper. . >> we got the bid to cover 2 versus 2.2 on the 12-month. the bid to cover 2.9 versus 3.8 on the six month. not quite the same bid to covers. have we got the yields? haven't got the yield. >> haven't come through yet. it is a step down for the bid to cover ratios. >> the yields should be higher. >> here is the bid to curve. >> yields are slightly lower. 0.88 versus 0.92. and the -- i'm still waiting for the 12 month. yields. which i don't have. >> we'll get that. >> unless we get the yield. >> are you going to harass the news wires to get that to us more quickly smp. 12-month yields, 1.58% versus 1.52%. >> up a little bit. >> don is back with us. what do you make of this news out of spain? >> in view of what's happened recently is that, you know, the results of this auction certainly underscore the lack of panic there is in the markets with regard to the spanish situation. in a bid to cover ratios are pretty high, the amount issued is right at the top end of the forecast projection. the market isn't panicking. we saw a sell-off ten days ago. in fact, spain and the bond markets has been outperforming italy over the last week or so. so it just underscores that. >> and where does this leave us ahead of tomorrow ahead of the italian elections? >> well, italy has been underperforming. it's been underperforming germany and underperforming spain, as well. the overall environment, i think the btp auction should go very well. i think it would be a shock to the markets. i don't think everybody is pricing in. we're in this environment now where market sentiment remains broadly stable. spain, as i said, it has underprmped a couple of weeks ago and outperforming italy and germany in recent days. so that is a sense of the overall environment. >> obviously, the yields are back off the recent lows. how long can we stay in this space? >> i think it's astonishing how effective this strategy has been. i think it's surprised just about every bonds analyst out there going into last year. there was a sense that things could gradually unravel last year if spain didn't go for any help. how long would it last? probably quite some time, i think. i think, you know, really, we're looking now at the market focus is on any ratings downgrades or any of these peripheral countries, any evidence of social unrest, major political change. i think the election, you know, a 2% on risk in italy. but for the moment, things seem to be reasonably stable. unless the economic growth environment in the eurozone really starts to slide significantly. and we're not seeing any evidence of that. and continuing to deteriorate, but not at any alarming rate. then i think for the time being, things look recently stable, recently well supported. even if we see some sell off in peripheral countries, i don't think it's going to be extreme. the next shock might be second half of the year if we start to see eurozone growth start to seriously underperform. >> all right. don, good to see you. don smith, government bond strategist at icap. we're going to take a quick break. when we do, head over to the website and check out a couple of the stories online. seller gain markets do not necessarily signal a long-term gold trend. the rally in stocks is the result of easy money by the central banks. you can see the full interview at cnbc.com. as investors get more comfortable about the global economy and fears about a dreaded hard landing in china reseed, is it time to put your monies back into emergency exchange traded funds? there's plenty more on our website at cnbc.com, ross. still to come in the program, the world's biggest cosmetics company posted rosy profits in 2012. but just dowhat does loreal expt in 2012? to grow, we have to boost our social media visibility. more "likes." more tweets. so, beginning today, my son brock and his whole team will be our new senior social media strategists. any questions? since we make radiator valves wouldn't it be better if we just let fedex help us to expand to new markets? hmm gotta admit that's better than a few "likes." i don't have the door code. who's that? he won a contest online to be ceo for the day. how am i supposed to run a business here without an office?! [ male announcer ] fast, reliable deliveries worldwide. fedex. shares of trade are sharply up on l'oreal. the company says it expects to beat market forecasts again despite evidence of a slowdown in asia and at its luxury division. carolin joins us from zurich. so, look, what's your reaction? what's the analyst reaction? >> well, tan list reaction is actually quite positive. deutsche bank, for example, says etf and revenue growth were in line with expectations. having said that, etf was boosted by a lower tax rate. if you look at the market, l'oreal is higher by 4%. that's a big jump. this has to do with the announcement of a share buyback program. that actually matches the amount that l'soreal brought back in the second half last year. with regard to the share buy back program, ross, i have to say analysts are split here. ubs says it is a little disappointed by shah share buyback. i don't think ubs is so spot on here. deutsche bank says it is fantastic news because of prefers this kind of shareholders rather than value destructive m&as. that's the line from deutsche bank here. it's a pretty positive one because, obviously, it benefits from this renewed share buyback program and analysts see a slightly positive impact on etf estimates. apart from that, l'oreal hiked its dividend by 15%. that's another positive. and the only fly in the ointment as you pointed out is the slowdown in luxury sales in the fourth quarter slowing to 6.2%. if you go back to the first quarter of 2010, we saw -- '12, rather, we saw rates around 12%. but this is not what investors seem to be worried about today. stock up by over 4%. back over to you. >> carolyn, thanks so much for that. michelin has raised its dividends. the world's second biggest carmaker posed to hold on for the year even as sales volumes remain flat. >> and in luxury news, airmiss has posted its own forecast. the maker of the iconic handbag says asia continues to be the group's major driver of growth. shares, though, not too excited about it. the last time we checked in, they were weaker. so they are at least flipping to the upside, ross. and barclay's has unveiled sweeping changes in an attempt to reposition the libor scandal. the group cut its overall cost base by 1 .7 billion pounds in 2015. barclay's will close its structural market business and focus on investing in the. this came alongside barclay's earnings report for 2012 showing pretax profit fell just 246 million pounds thp compares to 5.9 billion pounds in 2011 and reflected a reduction in the value of the debt. barclay's did raise its dividend to 6.5 pence and said 2013 got off to a good start. barclay's, one of the top performers in the stoxx 600 this morning, up about 3.8%. and we will shortly be hearing ceo anthony jenkins. >> yeah. that's coming up in just a few moments. and the mayor of london boris johnson says the city will remain at the heart of europe's financial services industry. >> i think that london and the uk will remain for our lifetimes the economic financial powerhouse of the european union. i don't think that there's going to be any change in that. it's inevitable after the shake up that we've seen in the last few years that there will be downsizing in some of these banks but that doesn't mean that you won't continue to see huge number oefs people employed in financial services in this city. this place, london, has the right time zone, it has the right combination of skill, it has the right language to be the best place on earth in which to raise capital in the global economy. >> and the situation surrounding greece and cypress has taken center stage at the euro group talks. silvia wadhwa call up with olli rehn and asked him just what was decided on cypress. >> we have plenty from cypress on the bond program for cypress could be taken in the course of the much. and the other things to watch to get our partner wes detroit and with the eurozone member states. >> are we talking about bail-ins or bailouts? what kind of scenarios are we talking about? >> talking about any concrete scenarios of that kind and our intention is to ensure stability. we are, of course, aware of the concerns that led to financial stability and we want to ensure that both in cypress and in the rest of the eurozone. >> there have been a lot of headlines about a currency war and action has to be taken on exchange rate policy. give us a bit of a feel what kind of issue that was at your meeting today. >> there was some discussion about that policy in the europe. i can say on the commission's behalf, i will be representing the european union in the context of the g-20 meeting and the next step began friday in moscow. i can say that we are committed to the international framework of ensuring stable monetary relations. we want to work for a stable monetary system in the world and we want to continue our commitment to market based exchange rates and the hiring line with the economic fundamentals. we expect that, of course, also from our g-20 partners, as well. >> more to the point, are you concerned by the present strength of the euro? and the euro is -- within the frame of its long-term. labor is the european central bank that usually comments by exchange rate policy. i fully agree with the exchange rate is not a policy target but, of course, the changes in the exchange rate have an impact on both growth and inflation. that's the indirectly that may have an impact on the foundations at the time that are done in monetary policy. >> and still to come on this show, the money keeps rolling into etfs. we'll ask how the industry's biggest players are fighting to piece their piece of the pie. >> "worldwide exchange" continues right after this. 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[singing] hoveround takes me where i wanna go. call or log on to hoveround.com to find out where a hoveround can take you! welcome back to "worldwide exchange." >> president obama's state of the union address is expected to take center stage regarding the know. and this as the world bank tells ministers to coordinate economic policies to avoid a global currency war. and transforming barclay's, the financial giant cuts 3,700 jobs and will trim its investment banking business after posted weaker than expected fourth quarter profits. cnbc' anthony jenkins tells cnbc he's upbeat about the strategy. >> it's a very confident plan. i'm confident the investors will digest it and they will appreciate it. >> you're watching "worldwide exchange," bringing you business news from around the globe. >> i don't expose that's going to have any impact at all on currency traders, kelly. well worth waiting for, though. >> absolutely no movement in that statement expected. we did see some swings in currency moves in the last 24 hours or so. the dow joins industrial average is pointed down by about 19 or 20 points. 13904 is the value of the level there. it was a down monday which as our own cnbc markets points out has been the pattern for this year and much of the last year, too. so far, signs suggest not this tuesday. barclay's is supporting the index. xetra dax down about 0.3%. cac 40 down about 0.02%. >> and we just saw 15 minutes ago for spain, they raised quite a t-bill auction. this will help italian yields slightly lower. there will be a test ahead of the italian election webs but bond market is still relatively relaxed. in the uk, yields are slightly lower post the inflation number. came in at an annual rate. consensus was tick up to 278%. if you strip out alcohol and tobacco, core cpi was also weaker, as well, than you might have expected. so that is why gilts are slightly better than you might have thought. on the currency market, eu euro/dollar, 1.3378. 1.3320 was the recent low that we hit in the last year. dollar index is up at a one-month high and dollar/yen not far away from that 2009 high. 94.18 for dollar/yen. >> ross, thanks so much. i want to bring a few more details from the g-7 statement. they will slowsly consult with regard to foreign exchange actions. they're reaffirming long standing commitment to market determined exchange rate say the monetary policies were made focused on domestic objectives. trying to reiterate it will not be used as a tool for devaluation. although these things are -- >> and they have that size impact. >> exactly. >> okay. >> they also interestingly say they will cooperate as appropriate on foreign exchange markets. so we'll keep an eye on that again. >> the u.s. has given the blessing to japan for their policy. >> we saw the yen weaken on that for these key levels. >> the market decides with the monetary policy. the uk barclay's unveiled sweeping operational changes as part of an attempt to reposition the bank in the wake of the libor scandal. they're going to take time with roughly 3,700 people. ceo anthony jenkins join us this morning. >> good morning, guys. >> a rare treat. and if i like it, it might stay. you never know. >> does that mean i can take a break, then? you guys can sort of just carry on? >> well, we have a bromance of old. >> but anthony jenkins, okay, he needs to deliver today. did he deliver? i think the analysts on this one are rather split. and most of the analysts that i've been looking at after the announcement have said, could have done more here, 3,700 is not enough in the scheme of things. this is a global organization with 150,000 employees. if he really wanted to move the needle on the cost side, you should have gone for 7,,000, 8el,000, possibly 9,000. one of the barclay's issues is that the employee cost is somewhere around 40% revenue. that is high relative to a lot of other banks that are in this bracket. maybe they should have been more aggressive on this. the other side of the coin is did they do enough to reduce the cost base going forward to 2015 which is when this plan runs to. 1.7 billion is the amount they're taking out. the suspicion was that it would be in excess of 2 billion through the weekend. so a little bit of concern that maybe he hasn't really grasped this bank and turned it around. >> but i look at the share price reaction and pat myself on the back. up 4%? it's a pretty big move. it's lifting the sector. >> i think he would have got a lift smt share price today, anyway. because i think that the numbers are in line in terms of the earnings. they could have been dramatically worse. what the market likes is that the banking side is still generating some money. let's listen in. i love this point withi jenkins. i said, look, the market was looking for bold moves here. was this bold enough? >> i think the analysts haven't had a chance to digest what we're launching today because we haven't done the analyst presentation. what we are launching is to get the return of equity above the cost of equity in the course of 2014 which is what our shareholders have asked for. to do that, we have to work all the business, manage our capital effectively, strategically reduce our cost base and, of course, we have to continue to make progress on reducing the ratio of compensation to our net income. and that's what we're talking about today. it's a very comprehensive plan, confident that as the digee investors digest it, they will like it. also, 2 billion in cost savings rather than the 1.7 billion. again, was this plan bold enough on those two areas? >> well, i think it is absolutely bold enough. we're not boding for a reduction number. head count is a product of the cost reduction. and what we're talking about is a 1.7 billion cost reduction number, which is a very big number to deliver. critically for us, and different from other snugs, we're committing to bring our absolute cost base down by a billion pounds from 2012 to 201. that's an absolute reduction and that's a very important difference to some of the other targets we communicated. >> when a going to be the growth drivers for the banks, then? >> so we have 39 markets around the world where we're confident they can deliver good growth. as i've mentioned frequently before, the macroeconomic environment in which we do business is quite muted. so we don't expect there to by huge top line growth. we'll get more than our fair share. but low to mid single digits top line growth is what we expect. as a result of the cost measures we're taking and the capital management we're taking, we don't deliver the return. it's important to say this is paired with our very strong new purpose values and behaviors. and i believe what that will do is allow us to deliver returns in the sustainable overtime for our shareholders. as you know, shareholders like the consistency as much as anything else. >> why did the structured capital markets business have to close? >> i think it's not with our values and purpose that we've laid out going forward. i think it's absolutely appropriate that we should have our clients take into account the consequences of tax when they do underlying transactions. what we are not doing going forward and we are not doing transactions for the sole economic benefit of the transition to tax. it's a powerful signal the way that we're running barclay's differently going forward. >> for all of us, why did the banking system need this radical restructuring? how did we all get it so badly wrong? >> i think if you take a big step back from everything that's happened, there are two fundamental things changing. one is the external industry and one is the industry itself. externally, the big powerful force that drove the industry forward are either stalling or reversing. so lower economic growth, more regulation, less globalization. so there are the external factors. internally to banks, i think this is true of the industry and it's true for us, i think banks became too short side, they became too aggressive and too self-serving. and so banks have to change. banking is different to other industries. we sit right at the heart of the economies where we do business. so the responsibility is barclay's and financial services companies is our responsibility. >> and the focus today is on the restructuring and some of the legacy issues. but they do hang around. where are we on the question of payment for loans to the uk government having to step in and provide financial support? >> well, that is an ongoing investigation, so you'll appreciate i can't talk about the specific details. but it would be unrealistic to expect some of the legacy issues are going to run away. the legacy issues will be around for probably a number of years to come. what we need to do is deal with them effectively and efficiency, which we will do, but equally, we need to build the barclay's i'm describing today with the go bank and execute the plan we're lying out. >> anthony jenkins telling us about what he's announced today. we talked briefly. i asked him that question about qatar because i think these legacy issues continue to be a problem for the bank. and you can see that in the earnings as announced. the adjusted pretax 7 billion looks like a good build on the 5 billion or so that they did last year. the problem is, of course, all of the fines and the horizons that are pretax issues. so it wipes out all of that 5 billion from 2011. >> they made a 728 return on equity. in the process of them turning that around so quickly in 2013? it seems like a bit of a stretch. >> that's the line anthony jenkins wants you to take away from this and that's the point of this restructuring exercise. beyond the jobs, beyond some of the other cost reduction issues, it's key to get that number back into double digits, which is why they're looking at about 11.5%, i think, for 2015. good luck. so we watch and we wait. but i think, again, just to talk about why the shares are up today, i think it's the 8% return out of the investment bank which was better than the expectations even though in the rounds the numbers weren't necessarily -- >> and people might have feared the kitchen sink which didn't happen. >> more of a plot. >> it didn't happen. >> yeah. less kitchen sink than draining board, perhaps. >> i like that. also, it's interesting. it's the first time i've seen anybody manage to wear a tie that is the same color as the barclay's low know. i wonder if they had that made. it's a really strange blue. >> geoff doesn't have one on, either. >> to be honest, i didn't even take the coffee. so there was no danger of me being impeached in any way. >> you are scrupulous. >> geoff cutmore, thank you so much for coming by. president obama is going to deliver his state of the union address at 9:00 p.m. eastern, expected to revive his populous message by asking congress for more tax increases and more spending cuts. his agenda is expected to return manufacturing jobs and infrastructure. somed ins will be available from the current term. we'll discuss what the president will hope to achieve tonight and how his speech may be received in the next half hour. cnbc will have special coverage of the state of the union from 9 the o'clock to 11:00 p.m. eastern tonight. don't miss it. great, everybody made it. we all work remotely so this is a big deal, our first full team gathering! i wanted to call on a few people. ashley, ashley marshall... here. since we're often all on the move, ashley suggested we use fedex office to hold packages for us. great job. 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[ male announcer ] hold packages at any fedex office location. yeah, the cisco ucsc series server, with the intel xeon processors, help us scale smoothly, like a perfect golf swing. how was it before? clunky and full of unnecessary impediments. like charles' swing. i heard that. the g-7 just released a statement regarding market stability. they're stating the obvious, aren't they? >> yes. i mean, if i was homer simpson, i would say, duh. did we really hear anything new out of that? i wonder what prompted this need for issuing a statement out of the blue when everybody yesterday, last night at the euro group meeting said we're going to discuss this at the g-20 in moscow and there will be a statement forthcoming then. in any case, what we saw out of this statement that's been issued now is everything we heard before in what the 151 other statements on how they want to cooperate, on stable, strong currencies and keeping volatility out of the markets. so it's no big surprise necessary there. one may wonder how concerned they really are about this or who is pushing for this right now. we, of course, know that within the euro group and within the eu there are the differences of opinion to put it mildly with the french always hopping on about we have to have auction, we have to make sure volatility is kept out of the markets. but at the same token, saying a strong currency in the long run is better than break-up talk. so i think there's a lot of contra decisidictions here and end of the day, they will go back to markets, as usual. >> by the way, it's pancake day today. are you lemon and sugar or chocolate? >> lemon and sugar, definitely. >> we'll whip one up and send it over to you. >> thank you very much for that. >> i didn't know pancakes, by the way, were such a thing. i'm used to fat tuesday of mardi gras or generally stuffing yourself, but not necessarily with pancakes. how do you take them? >> i like mine chocolate. we have a price war brewing among the etf sector. the etf boom shows no signs of slowing down as average investors seek to diversify their portfolio. investment firms are taking notice by launching more competitive pricing and launching new funds. cnbc has been covering the latest sector trends from the etf conference in hollywood in florida. he filed this report. >> 1300 attendees at the index universe insight etf conference here in hollywood, florida. assets under management are growing fast. in fact, jack brennen, the chairman of vanguard addressed this and said assets under management could grow to $2 trillion in the blink of an eye. but there are worries out there. brennen expressed the sentiments of many out there talking about niche products out there that are causing some worries. specifically, volatility products or lev raemged and inverse etfs. some participants feel there should be more regulatory control of these kinds of products because retail investors don't understand them very well and can get confused easy. a lot of other people felt that the marketplace would eventually weed out etfs that weren't worthwhile. also, the really hot products, international investing, investing outside the united states, international bond etfs and wizard tree has a lot of product people are talking about. they buy japanese equities but at the same time they hedge out the currency risk. for example, you have less risk of investing in japan when the yen drops and the dollar appreciates. on top of that, pimco will be launching a new actively managed currency etf. back to you. >> joining us now for more is jeff molatori. one of the top three etf providers in the world alongside blackrock and stage street. they control more than 8el 0% of assets under management. jeff, welcome. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> so i guess some of the questions in this industry are more about how stable is it from your point of view with the cost cutting that we've seen in order to entice investors? how do you keep clients coming without undercutting your own profit model? >> we're a little different because we're owned by our own investors. so our model in terms of profit versus state street or shares are very different. we welcome you and costs are going down. that will be better for investors and at times, at any times costs or critical elements in terms of getting net return for investors. but at this point in time, we're really happy. we think it's good for investors. >> what is your business model, then? >> vanguard investors, vanguard funds which own the vanguard group. so in that regard, it operates on pretty much a net cost basis. that element is very different. >> when we see now the popularity of these products with a lot of retail investor webs anything to be worried about from your point of view, then? >> i think there is also something to be worried about when people were jumping after the most recent hot idea. for people to use it as part of a core long-term position, that meets what they're trying to do for their long-term objectives, it's a great vehicle. it can be very efficient, one-time purchase. take it, get it in there. it's a great vehicle. >> bear in mind, you know, where we are right now with equity markets and fixed rate gains for the s&p at the beginning of the year. where is the money going at the moment? which space of etf is the money coming out of and going into? >> it was a big month of january in terms of cash flow. overall, the jack brennan could go from 1.3 to 2. you're seeing a transition of people in the u.s. where retail investors are the investors. maybe to advisers or not. that's one thing that hasn't happened in europe. that is something that probably will happen in europe that will accelerate the growth. >> what hasn't happened in europe? now you're looking at the differences between these markets and the u.s. >> there are some different models. in the u.s., it used to be that it was primarily institution. but 80% and 20% retail. now it's flip-flopped, so it's 80/20 the other way. it's getting the vehicle to that people can buy it easily, efficiently, get advice from a good adviser. >> and which sector or strategy etfs are taking the money at the moment? >> what you always say is on the margin, money follows what has worked. so it's a value way to invest. >> with last year's winners. >> right. momentum works until it doesn't. but we think going with broadly diversified portfolios is something people can do well with. >> is the difference that americans are active? people tend to use etfs as a gambling product than a true product in europe just isn't the same mind-set? >> i would say europe is probably -- you know, there are ropes in every corner in the u.s. >> great point. you do see it, it's harder to walk down the block without running into one of these. thank you so much for coming by. >> thank you. and go to our web page for far more in-depth analysis on the etf sector. we will be covering every angle for a special report on etf.cnbc.com. as we take a break, here is a look at how futures are trading on wall street. it might be a down tuesday, as well. about eight points off the dow at the open. we'll be right back. 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here is what some have been telling us. >> i'm very bearish on gold and it has nothing to do with korea. if people were legitimately concerned with some kind of an external risk, gold could catch a bid for once. but it's been a rel of dog for two months and will continue to be by relative of growth die verging globally. >> at the moment, i think we're still long euro/yen. i think there's no reason that can't push things higher and even euro/dollar will be back in the high 130s, maybe touching 140 by tend of the year. >> i think there's a lot of bearishness on the core government bond market at the moment. we've probably taken it just a little bit too far. in the long run, yes, yields are going to rise. but in the very short-term, i think there's an array of risks down there, particularly with people being somewhat negative on equities, even though i think that's probably a mistake in the long run. so i think perhaps there's a value to be found in this core market. >> now, in just a few hours time, president obama will deliver his state of the union address at 9:00 p.m. eastern tonight. he's expected to revive his populist re-election message. the president's speech will be focused on stabilizing the middle class and repairing the u.s. economy. his agenda is expected to include more money for clean energy, infrastructure. some of the money will be repackaged from his first term. cnbc does have special coverage of the state of the union address tonight from 9:00 to 11:00 p.m. eastern. so it could be a late one. joining us now, sara fagan, cnbc strategist. former white house political director george w. bush. sara, good morning. good morning. >> what do you expect to hear from the president tonight? what's the point or what kind of agenda is he going to set out for his second term? >> well, i think you'll see him depart a bit from his inaugural address, which was surprisingly social and surprisingly liberal focus. i think people expected him to talk about entitlement reform and he didn't do that. he won't go that far tonight, but he will focus on the economy. and specifically what we'll see him talk about is making the economy work for everybody. still a huge focus on the middle class. lifting up people in lower incomes and putting them back aggressively in this economy. >> do you think we'll hear specific details on how he hopes to avoid the sequester? we're starting to get into the nitty-gritty as to how the u.s. may avoid the spending cuts. president's man versus what we're start to go hear trt other side of the aisle. is he going to get specific on that? >> i think it's possible you could see him talk about farm subsidies and other specific cuts that could avert the sequester. but most likely what he'll wroo the speech for as it relates to see quester is to put it right back on republicans. and we may see some of his harshest rhetoric and tone around the sequester and directed directly at the opposing party tonight the. >> and what about the response from marco rubio? what's the republican line likely to be here? are they similarly going to use this as a way to make their case to the public as a place for avoiding the sequester or not depending on what the the agenda is? >> i think they will. i think what you'll see senator rubio do who, by the way, has a tough job tonight. it's very hard to deliver a speech in the format directly following the president and look at it all on equal term. first, he has to lay out a thoughtful critique as to what the president's plan is. to your point or sequester, tax raise easy, i think you'll see marco rubio lay out a vision for how a long-term spending cut plan will be better for the economy. secondly, he has to be positive. he has to be uplifting. the republican brand has taken a hit over these last spending hikes can it cannot afford to keep being seen as the party of keeping people down, so to speak. and as a result of that, i think you'll see him give a very uplifting, very personal accounting of his rise in america and how that can be true for everybody here. >> sara, how powerful the president's speech might be on that side, of course, you've still got the republicans, representatives under republican control. so we're still going to have to deal with this political reality. is that is that going the play out post your speech? >> well, you're right. i think you'll likely see a whole lot of nothing happen as it relates to the sequester. and the reality is that parties are very far apart on how to deal with the spending cuts and republicans feel like they gave on these tax increases in january that taxes did go up for 77% of americans and that it would be imprudent for them to allow another tax to go forward. yet the president is very dug in on this and believes now we should close additional -- what he would call loopholes in the tax code. and so the parties are so far apart, you're lickly to see the sequester kick in, maybe not permanently, but at least temporarily. >> sara, thank you for that. did you see these guys? about 40 people from congress, no labeled problem solvers. >> nlps. >> they're going to wear badges during the speech declaring stop fighting, start fixing. >> theorizing above. >> yeah, they're trying to rise above the issue. first lady michelle obama will have a special guest with her at the state of the union address. apple's ceo tim cook. this is the second year an invitation has been sxened to apple. last year, mrs. jobs was offered a seat. still to come on the show, you might want to tune into power lunch today. >> i have a feeling you'll be tuning in. welcome back to the show. stellar gains and equity markets do not necessarily signal the start of a long-term bull trend, says jim rogers. the rally in stocks is a sense of ultra easy money providing by the world' central banks. see the full interview on our website, cnbc.com. as fears about a hard landing in china are received, is it time to put money back into exchange traded funds? check out analysis for that on our website, cnbc.com. kelly, italian state owned defend contractors in italy. here we go, down 8%, as you can see on the italian bores. the head has been arrested, although he's arrested into an ongoing probe over allegations of his role in the sale of helicopters to the indian government. they say they have confidence in the legal process. india say says it's now investigating the payment of 40 million rupees that were allegesly kickbacks for expediting the finmeccanica deal. kelly. >> and if you're just joining us here on "worldwide exchange," these are your headlines. president obama gets set to pressure congress during his state of the union address tonight. the g-7 moves to offset fears of the currency war. and barclay's ceo tells cnbc his bank's overhaul is absolutely bold enough after reporting profits shy of forecast. now, i just want to bring you this news out of the swiss central bank which is interesting. just on the heels of getting this statement from the g-7, talking about the need for smkt exchange rates, take a look at what is happening here. the euro jumping about 0.1% against the swesy. talking about how the central bank will stick by the franc's feeling without restricts. in other words, as you see that level there, they're going to defend the 1.20 level, ross. >> and the exchange rate will remain as long as necessary. >> and the swiss franc remains an overvalued currency, he says, which some would take issue with. >> how does that fare? some of the other stories we're looking at today -- >> bank of new york mellon will take an 850 million charge in the first quarter. the government challenged 900 million tax benefit claimed by the bank which stemmed from a 1.5 billion loan from barclay's. the tax court ruled the benefit lacks economic substance meaning it was done solely for tax purposes. take a look at shares of new york mellon. >> meanwhile, the home of the whooper wants to be known as the home of the latte. hmmm. burger king s a announcing a plan today a partnership with starbucks. it will roll out decough and hot clock lat this week as well as full load ice coffee next month. the move is reminiscent of what it did years ago. >> mccafe introduced a line of drinks. they were incredibly popular. they helped to boost sales. now the other chains are trying to do the same thing. >> oog i'm going to have to get the hot chocolate today, though. you know that's what i am giving up for lent, chocolate. >> and it's pancake day today in the uk, which is our mardi gras. in new orleans, they have a carniv carnival. in rio they have a carnival. here in the uk, we make pancakes. >> and you like yours with chocolate. >> i do a very thin chocolate pancake. how dow like yours? 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doing something that never, never happens in washington, folks. healy is telling the people around the table, his cabinet, to cut their agencies, in some cases, by 20%, so, and one day, we are talking about rolling back the biggest entitlement of our time, obamacare, and cutting the size of government. this is important because this has never, never done in washington. republicans don't do this, democrats definitely don't do this. so, welcome to the first 100 days, everybody, i am martha maccallum. it is day 53. >> there is duplication and redundancy everywhere. billions and billions of dollars are being wasted on activities that are not delivering results, for hard-working american taxpayers. this order requires a fair examination of every executive department and agency to see where money is being wasted, how services can be improved, and whether programs are truly serving american citizens. >> martha: imagine that. joining me out to talk about all of this, former speaker of the house i'm a newt gingrich. good evening, good to have you. >> it is good to be with you. >> martha: listen to president trump. >> by the way, what you just pointed out was really important, you hit it right on the mark. this is potentially a really big move to gain control over their bureaucracies, to shrink the government, to eliminate waste, to empower the president's appointees to really go out there very aggressively. do the kind of entrepreneurial job that donald trump believes in, not to waste any money, to run a streamlined, efficient organization. if they can keep driving it, that will be a very, very major change in washington. >> martha: this is an executive order today that got almost no attention. certainly, it made me sit up and park at my ears when i was listening to this. i thought, wow, i don't really think if any of the other people on the republican side running head won we would necessarily be having this conversation. the proof will be in the pudding, as you well know, whether or not he can pull this off as a whole another thing. nobody shrinks the size of these agencies, no one rolls back entitlements. will he be able to pull this of off? >> when you look out, for example, cutting back some of the costs for the brand-new air force one, cutting back some of the costs for buying the f35 fighter plane, every time you turn around, trump is doing something. this is what people don't get to. it is not about right or left. he is an entrepreneur. he gets up every morning and he tries to figure out five or six or eight things he can do that are real, that change things, move us in the right direction. his instinct as a businessman, the reason he ended up being worth so much money, is he is very frugal. he came in under budget, head of schedule. you look at the new trump hotel and pennsylvania avenue where the post office was, they did a wonderful job, ivanka was in charge. they did a great job. they came in under budget and ahead of schedule. he will try to bring that attitude to the entire u.s. government. >> martha: there is a lot of business people around the table. he was criticized for putting so many business people in the cabinets. they understand that cost cutting and decisions that ceos have to make every day. we will see if it gets anywhere. mr. speaker, stay with us. i want to get your reaction to another big story tonight, a spokesperson for the kremlin says that russian officials did not just meet with members of president trump's campaign, they also met with members of the clinton camp. doug mckelway places out for us tonight from the state department. >> hi, martha. these comments basically confirm what many defenders of attorney general jeff sessions have said all along, and what sessions has said, it is not unusual for a sitting senator, a high-level campaign advisor, to have a meeting with an ambassador, even if it is the ambassador from the soviet union or russia. putin's a spokesman was sitting with many would regard are simply obvious. >> if you look at some people connected with hillary clinton during her campaign, you would probably see that he had lots of meetings of that kind. there are lots of specialists, people working in think tanks, advising hillary or advising people working for hillary. >> we reached out to former clinton campaign spokesman about those comments, who told us, "it is not true," which is why they are were using the word probably. others said it was not the meeting that sessions had with the russian ambassador, but is poorly constructed response to a question during his confirmation hearing for minnesota senator al franken. here it is. >> if there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the trump campaign communicated with the russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do? >> senator franken, i am not aware of any of those activities. i have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and i did not have communications with the russians. i am unable to comment. >> in the flurry of criticism that came after that remark, it came to light that many democrats had also met with him. house minority leader nancy pelosi denied meeting the ambassador, but politico found a 2010 photo with him. same with chuck schumer. senator claire mccaskill tweeted that despite despite having been on the arms committee for ten years, she had never met with him, she apparently forgot a 2010 tweet. indeed, in the midst of all of the sessions controversy, the ambassador was photographed of the speech that president trump gave to a joint session of congress surrounded by democrats. martha, back to you. >> martha: back with more, newt gingrich. but you make about that? >> this is the sort of stuff that leaves the average american to be sick of politics. the democrats and the whole case are just flying. they know that it is routine for a u.s. senator to meet. the truth is, the only person who is getting direct money from a russian company that came in, close to a campaign, john podesta's brother, who was paid over $100,000 by a russian bank to lobby for them in washington. this whole thing is infuriating. you take a guy like jeff sessions, a very honorable, very hard-working man. he wasn't precisely to the question being asked, which clearly is campaign related, and he gave a campaign related answer. had he been asked, have you ever met a russian ambassador, he would have said, sure. as a u.s. senator, of course i have. this whole thing, it is infuriating. by the way, secretary clinton, going back to find out, how many times did she have dinner with the russian foreign minister? how many times did she have meetings? how many times did you meet with the russian ambassador? >> martha: both hillary clinton and candidate trump said they wanted to start over with russia. they thought there might be areas where they could compromise, discuss. i don't think it is all that shocking that either side would have had some sort of outreach to try to fit see whether that might work. before he let you go, i want to get your thoughts on the scoring by the cbo, do you like it or not? >> they should abolish the congressional budget office. it is corrupt, it is dishonest, it was totally wrong on obamacare by huge, huge margins. i don't trust a single word they have published. i don't believe them. >> martha: the head of it is a trump appointee. in many ways, i think people misjudge what they are supposed to do. their job is to figure out whether or not this is something that can get through on reconciliation. not to make a judgment. >> let me be very clear. i helped balance the budget four straight times, we thought the congressional budget office every time. when obamacare came out, they used the architect of obamacare as their advisor on how to score obamacare and their scoring, you go back and look at it, it is a totally dishonest, disgustingly wrong, and that whole thing should be abolished. they should replace it by putting out the bed and having three to five professional firms score these things. nobody has an exact score. it is not possible. even tonight, dr. tom price, secretary of health and human services, pointed out that there are whole sections of us probably didn't score. i really do think it is disgusting. i am disappointed that the republicans are not abolished the congressional budget office because it is so profoundly dishonest. >> martha: more to come on that could. newt gingrich, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> martha: breaking just moments ago, the justice department has responded for any and all information on president trump's allegations that president obama was spying on him during the campaign. judge napolitano with his take on what they said. plus, two exclusives for you tonight. first, sandra durand was killed by a drunk driver who had been deported five times from this country. her fiance joins us as he decides to speak out tonight. also a new documentary about 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obama was buying or wiretapping him during the 2. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge's life in washington on what what the dos thing about this on this evening of this deadline. >> thank you. within the last hour, justice department spokesman confirming that they have asked the committee for more time to review the request and determine if documents exist. in the meantime, the white house spokesman telling reporters the president tweet was not meant literally. >> the president was very clear in his tweet that it was wiretapping, that that spans a whole host of surveillance options. the house in the and it come intelligence committees, when i'll look into that. provide a report back. >> house intelligence committee deadline comes just one right before the first public hearing on the russian investigation. including fbi director james comey are invited witnesses. the committee's ranking democrat believes the fbi director may be eager to testify. >> the press reports are accurate that he asked the department of justice to knock this down. they refused for whatever reason. he may welcome the opportunity. he'll certainly have that on march 20th. >> moments ago, we received this statement for the republican chairman, who wants documents, it reads in part, "of the committee does not receive a response by then, the committee will ask for this information during the march 20th hearing and may resort to a compulsory process if our questions continue to go unanswered." we are told tonight that specifically issues issuing subpoenas. >> martha: thank you. here now, fox news senior traditional analyst, judge andrew napolitano. good to see you. what you make of that latest report? >> i don't know that the justice department has watched the intelligence community wants. sources have told fox that if then mr. donald trump, the president-elect, was surveilled as he says he was, during the campaign, after he was elected, it was found by a foreign intelligence entity from a foreign country, an ally of ours, the british foreign intelligence service, known as gc hq, the initials for that entity. that entity was able, then, to bypass the nsa, the cia, the dni, and the doj, the entities in the united states that would have jurisdiction. >> martha: you are suggesting that president obama went beyond our own intelligence agencies and through british surveillance, received the transcripts of phone conversations of a trump campaign was having? >> business what sources him intelligence have told fox. just to give a little background, the nsa has 24/7, 365 access to all the computer servers and telecom service computer in the united states. >> martha: metadata. >> correct. they can download into digital form the conversations and the text. they don't have time to read all of that. but they have access to it. guess what foreign entity has access to the nsa database? this british spying entity, gch gchq. they could have obtained this information, sources tell us, translated the raw data into actual transcripts, and shared it with someone and that the west wing. it probably wouldn't have been with the president personally, because he wouldn't want anybody to say that i met with a british spy in the white house. it would have gone through someone in the white house. >> martha: he wouldn't require a fisa order, he could get that directly. he could just call up the intelligence agencies and say, i would like to see that agency. >> there is a paragraph in the fisa a statute, says, notwithstanding, the president of united states may order surveillance and any person in the united states. >> martha: they have to be a perceived security threat, i would imagine. >> yes but he doesn't need to persuade anybody of that other than himself. now, -- >> martha: there is no evidence of that is what happened. >> correct. the ability would be there. >> the ability is there. according to the sources with whom fox has spoken, that is not what happened. for him to do that, there would be a record of his ordering the nsa took off of these transcripts. by going through foreign entities, and the foreign entities, another foreign entity, besides the gchq, between the white house on the gchq, by going through that route, all of these people whose faces were on the screen, jim comey, sally yates, running the doj at that time -- jack brennan was running the cia, admiral rogers, they could all plausibly and illegally and truthfully say, we have nothing to do with it. >> martha: that's a lot. we will see. interesting. thank you very much. good to see you. still ahead, "the first 100 days" with an exclusive. after surveillance video featured in a new documentary about the 2014 death of michael brown in ferguson, missouri, has touched off a huge round of controversy. the man behind that documentary is here tonight with us. after that, we will speak with ferguson prosecutor bob mccullough to react. a prominent u.s. attorney asked to resign from the doj, but he claims he was fired. we will tell you why critics call the latest act of political grandstanding in the age of trump. marc thiessen and moa leafy debate. joining us next. we'll be right back. ♪ la quinta presents "how to win at business." step one: point decisively with the arm of your glasses. abracadabra. the stage is yours. step two: choose la quinta. the only hotel where you can redeem loyalty points for a free night-instantly and win at business. >> martha: no reaction tonight to a dustup that might have been viewed as business as usual after any other election. president trump, like dozens of new presidents before him, requested the resignation of the u.s. attorneys appointed by the previous president. the attorney for the southern district of new york, however, refused. instead, forcing the administration to fire him. critics now charging this act of defiance by an obama appointee is nothing more than a political grandstanding. for more on that part of the story, we are joined by chief white house correspondent john roberts at the white house. >> good evening. we are trying to find out exactly the answer to that question as a standard procedure or political grandstanding. no one has given us a full accounting. hard as we might have tried. here's what happened come on friday, the attorney general, jeff sessions, ask for the resignation of the remaining 46 attorneys, that are mated a fellow named preet bharara, the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. asking them for leather art letter of resignation was unusul because on november 30th, then, president-elect donald trump asked him to come to trump tower, where, and a meeting, according to bharara, the president asked him to stay on. let's take you back to that day. >> i said i would consider staying on. i agreed to stay on. i have already spoken to senator sessions. as you know, the nominee to be the attorney general. he also asked that i stay on. >> so, bharara believed he would be the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york for some time to come. what we heard, the attorney general ask for the resignation of all these u.s. attorneys, we thought that ed is a pro forma thing, ask bharara for the resignation letter. he is not going to accept it. now, bharara, as far as we can understand, did not submit a letter of resignation. on saturday, he tweeted out that he had been fired. adding to the intrigue, the fact that a couple of days before bharara was fired, president trump called him to speak with him. i asked the press secretary, sean spicer, what that call was all about. listen. >> can you tell us what that was about? >> the president was calling to thank him for his service. this is a standard, as i say, a standard action and takes place most administrations. then attorney general, almost identical letter in 1993, the bush administration center of a similar one, as well. this is a very common practice. for all political appointees. >> spicer claims it is a common practice. he mentioned janet reno in 1993 asking for letters of resignation for all of the attorneys. among the attorneys was the former u.s. attorney for the southern district of alabama, jeff sessions, who is now the attorney general. he is on solid ground, spicer, when he says that this is standard operating procedure. we still don't know, martha, why bharara was asked to stay on, then, ask for the resignation and later, fired. nobody is saying but both sides are digging in their heels, saying, this is what we are saying and nothing more at this point. >> martha: thank you so much. john roberts at the white house. with more on this, marc thiessen, former chief speechwriter to george w. bush and mo elleithee, founding executive director of georgetown university's institute of politics and public service. welcome, gentlemen. good to see you. so, it is a little bit of a strange twist on what we usually see. where do you think happened here? >> i think they decided to get rid of the attorneys, preet bharara wasn't targeted specifically. they asked for everybody's resignation. trump was probably calling to explain that he had changed his mind. he wouldn't take the call. when he got the request to resign, he wouldn't cement his resignation. it is kind of outrageous. the fact is, as was presented in the opening segment, every president has done this. jeff sessions got fired as a u.s. attorney. i don't know who this guy thinks he is that he can resist it. the larger question is, is donald trump allowed to staff is on his administration? on capitol hill, the democrats are slow rolling not just his cabinet nominees come up with a sub cabinet nominees, hundreds of positions to run the federal government. now, they are creating this fake news outrage, about him firing preet bharara. these people serve at the pleasure of the president, with the president's pleasure ends, so does their service. >> martha: i don't know whether he had told others in that group that they could stay and then changed his mind. i don't know, mo, most people in america really care whether or not he gets to keep his position, if everybody else is going, it seems that is the president's prerogative. do you smell anything more than that? >> 100%, the president's prerogative. 100% common practice for this to happen, as has been noted several times. this feels a little bit different, kind of raises three issues in my mind. one is the mass demand for resignation that asks people to clear up by the end of the day. that is not always normal. most of the time, presidents will, they will demand a resignation letter, but then, will stagger the acceptance of those resignations until they find the a replacement. the fact that they were asked to leave by the end of the day was a little bit abnormal. number two, as has been referenced, he did ask preet bharara to stay on. it begs the question, what changed. why did he suddenly decide. it is his prerogative. it raises some questions, which brings me to the third one. that is, that any ongoing investigations or potential investigations that preet was looking at lead to this decision? >> that is one of the questions that is out there. you look at the southern district of new york, it has produced rudy giuliani, james comey, it is quite possible that he is using this opportunity, as was suggested in the intro, to sort of boost his own political profile, which he certainly seems to have succeeded in doing, marc. >> he certainly has. this is launching his next campaign, mayor, governor, whatever it is. the idea that this is somehow affecting ongoing investigations is wrong. what happens, when the u.s. attorney cap and every other administration, when they step down, career prosecutors pick u. there are zero impact on the investigations. i think what is happening, i think donald trump should be doing more of this. there is an entire federal bureaucracy and a bunch of obama appointees in all these positions, the senate haven't confirmed people, they have all of these holdovers of people borrowing and who are undermining his agenda. he needs people in these positions who are loyal to him. >> martha: thanks, you guys. great to see you both. coming up next, our exclusive interview with the fiance of sandra duran, the woman who was struck and killed by a five-time deported illegal immigrant who was driving drunk. plus, a new documentary has a set up a firestorm of controversy. we are back into this discussion and for good reason. raising new concerns about the hours before michael brown's shooting death in ferguson, missouri. we'll talk with a filmmaker, jason pollock, who says of the new video proves michael brown is innocent. we'll ask him to explain. st. louis prosecutor bob mccullough who says the video was edited to fit a false narrative. you don't want to miss this. coming up right after this. >> he traded the store a little bag of weed and got two boxes of cigarillos in return. he left it at the store and he went back the next day to pick them up. he did not rob the store. ♪ >> martha: developing tonight, a dude documentary featuring previous unseen surveillance footage has raised some questions about the hours leading up to the 2014 shooting death of michael brown and ferguson, missouri, with touched off so many events in the country. the documentary is called "stranger fruit" and it suggests brown's appearance at ferguson market and liquor was about an exchange of pot and cigarillos. it was not a robbery. watch. >> and the early hours of auguse mike took his last steps, he went to his local convenience store to make an exchange. look carefully at the counter and you can see a trade is made. mike gives the store a little bag of weed. you can see the employee is smelling it, passing it around. then, you can clearly see mike being given two big boxes of cigarillos. the store clerk puts the cigarillos into a bag for mike with his other stuff and hands it over the counter. mike is about to leave the store but decides to have the clerk called his things behind the counter for him. the next day, with his hands politely behind his back, mike goes back into the store to get his stuff. >> martha: now, but the convenience store in the st. louis prosecutor's office are disputing that footage. they are accusing the film maker by editing the video to fit a narrative. in moments, we will hear some both sides. so make your jason pollock louis county prosecutor bob mcculloch. first, trace gallagher with the newly unedited footage that was released just hours ago. >> let me just go back and start with a documentary video, which was michael brown visiting that convenience store just after 1:00 in the morning, which was several hours before he was accused of robbing the very same store. if you look, you can see brown grab some drinks and ask for cigarillos. when the clerk bags the sodas and many cigars, michael brown places something on the counter. the filmmaker, jason pollock, says it is marijuana. brown is making a trade. it appears the clerks pick up whatever brown put down and they look at it and they smell it. jason pollock then goes on to say, here is what really happened. a listen. >> of mike traded the store a little bag of weed and got two boxes of cigarillos in return. he left his items at the store and he went back the next day to pick them up. mike did not rob the store. >> county prosecutor because the filmmaker's claim "just a stupid and nonsense, the poor the edited step it leaves out critical context." we went back. we looked at the entire video sequence and it was agitated. he did leave out context. for example, the filmmaker did not show the clerk talking to michael brown, clearly debating whether to make or trade for whatever he had put on the counter. the film maker did not show the clerk taking back the sodas and the cigars and putting them back on their shelves. the lawyer at the convenience store says brown tried to barter but he failed. listen to him. >> this is the argument that is going on between michael brown and the clerks. what do you mean? you want to barter with me? what you mean i can trade with you? why not? come on, man. the language got heated and it got ugly. >> the filmmaker stands by his claim that the footage would have changed the narrative that michael brown was shot after robbing a convenience store. police say it irrelevant because the officer didn't stop go burn for robbery, he stopped him for walking in the middle of the street. >> martha: thank you. joining me now is the filmmaker behind "stranger fruit," jason pollock. good to have you here. >> hello. how are you? i am simply stunned by that report. simply stunned. beautiful job. >> martha: have a question for you. to me, what are you proposing, legally? it makes no difference whether a robbery happened or a trade for pot happened or a bank got robbed or he was home doing his homework. what matters is what happens in the street when he and officer wilson and counter each other. so, why have you focused so heavily on what happened in the convenience store? interesting way to phrase this. i have completely agree with you. the reason we put out this convenience store tape now is so that people can get over it. he didn't rob the store. anyone that sees the exchange that takes place with a conscience, a heart, two mines, and not a bigot, pretty much understands what happens. unfortunately, there are some people in america wit so much bias inside of them that they just want to think that michael brown is a bad guy. yes, let's talk about the physical evidence -- >> martha: they think that michael brown is a bad guy because 40 fbi agents went to ferguson to investigate this case at the behest of eric holder, who showed up almost immediately after it happened. i think it is fair to assume that they really believed that they were going to be able to indict officer wilson, that he had -- >> that is absolutely not true! don't just say that! >> martha: you were just saying plenty of things. the fbi agents went down there, eric holder went down there. >> to indict darren wilson? no way! you know how the system works. these cops get off every single time. bob mcculloch has been the prosecutor for over two decades. for 23 years -- excuse me. let me finish this. for 23 years, according to "the washington post," there has not been a prosecution of a single police shooting in st. louis county. every single one of them, none of them are indictable? >> martha: it is my turn. you are suggesting that 40 fbi agents -- to ensure -- listen to be. >> they failed. >> martha: it is not possible in your brain that what happened was what was found by both a grand jury and 40 fbi agents, you are discounting, you are saying all that is a matter? their investigation is not true? michael brown did not reach into that car, grabbed his gun -- >> can i speak now? when the facts of this case come out and my film, "stranger fruit," the real facts of this case, the facts of this case that bob mcculloch doesn't want us talking about, the fact that michael brown was shot in the head and a bullet came out of his side, do you know how that would happen? when your head is down. there is a bullet in the ground. in the report, there is a bullet in the ground by michael browns had. how would a bullet go through here come out of his eye and go in the air? excuse me -- >> martha: they were three forensic investigations that were done. >> i don't care! we failed him! >> martha: they were told that he was shot in the back. >> do you know how many black men are in jail right now? for nothing? for nothing? because the department of justice failed them. you know how many black men are in jail right now? we are okay. my film will show the public the truth, ma'am. if you want to know the truth, you should watch it. >> martha: okay. i don't know why you got so caught up with trading pot or stealing something, completely irrelevant to the outcome of this case. joining me now to respond to this is bob mcculloch, who you just heard mention, the st. louis county prosecuting attorney, i would imagine, he has a response to a very heated jason pollock. good evening, sir. good to have you here. what do you think? >> good evening. i'm happy to be here. he has his facts wrong, not shockingly. there was no bullet to the ground anywhere here michael brown. there were three separate medical examiners, including one hired by the brown family, they all came to the same conclusion. he is making up facts, as he goes along, to push his film. he's an amateur filmmaker and he is just making things up to do that. >> martha: no police officer has ever been prosecuted for shooting an unarmed person in ferguson, missouri, ? >> ferguson, yes. in st. louis county come i think it's what they are asking. over the years, there have been several shootings, all have been investigating. none of them were indicted. correct. >> martha: he is claiming that they were underhanded tactics, things were hidden, the story and it the investigation done by 40 fbi agents, overseen by the department of justice and the grand jury, that they all were inconclusive, to make sure that darren wilson was never indicted. >> listen to what you just said and tell me how silly that it is. it really is silly, that somehow, i have this control over the united states department of justice, the attorney general of the united states, the fbi. it is just nonsense. this guy is trying to push his movie, which is made up, makes up the facts. you saw the entire surveillance video from all four angles, unedited. he is trying to strike a deal. >> martha: is there any legal prevalence to what happened in the convenience store? it seems to me that the whole question begins in the street when these two, darren wilson and michael brown, confront each other. correct? >> it begins there but it relates back to the incident at the store at about noon on that day. if that plays into this. that became relevant to what went on into the street. what happened at 11:00, i'm sorry, 1:00 that morning, was both logically and illegally irrelevant. the material was never presented to the grand jury. that is not something i would be able to use in a trial, had there been any kind of an indictment coming out of this. it is not going to be presented to the grand jury. it is documented. this isn't new information. it's documented in the police report, the conversation the police had with the employees of the store. the fact that we issued a search warrant so they could get the surveillance video that they looked at the surveillance video, examined it, documented that, describe what is on that video, all of which was released, november 24th 2014. it has all been sitting there. open to the world, often to anyone who wants to look at it, including this fellow. >> martha: bob mcculloch, thank you very much. good to have you here tonight, sir. >> my pleasure. any 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"oh, wind, if winter comes, can spring be far behind? "let's hope. let's hope. hunker down, stay safe, everybody. thanks for being here tonight. thanks for being here. i am martha maccallum. ♪ >> tom: welcome to "red eye," hello everyone, i am tom shillue. let's check in with tvs a andy levy over at the "red eye" tease deck. >> andy: thanks, tom. coming up on the big show, sean spicer confronted in an apple store to a woman seeking answers about trump's ties to russia. turns out not everyone in those stores is a genius. u.s. soccer federation bands kneeling during the national anthem. i don't care as long as they don't ban me from changing the channel when soccer comes on.
doing something that never, never happens in washington, folks. healy is telling the people around the table, his cabinet, to cut their agencies, in some cases, by 20%, so, and one day, we are talking about rolling back the biggest entitlement of our time, obamacare, and cutting the size of government. this is important because this has never, never done in washington. republicans don't do this, democrats definitely don't do this. so, welcome to the first 100 days, everybody, i am martha maccallum. it is day 53. >> there is duplication and redundancy everywhere. billions and billions of dollars are being wasted on activities that are not delivering results, for hard-working american taxpayers. this order requires a fair examination of every executive department and agency to see where money is being wasted, how services can be improved, and whether programs are truly serving american citizens. >> martha: imagine that. joining me out to talk about all of this, former speaker of the house i'm a newt gingrich. good evening, good to have you. >> it is good to be with you. >> martha: listen to president trump. >> by the way, what you just pointed out was really important, you hit it right on the mark. this is potentially a really big move to gain control over their bureaucracies, to shrink the government, to eliminate waste, to empower the president's appointees to really go out there very aggressively. do the kind of entrepreneurial job that donald trump believes in, not to waste any money, to run a streamlined, efficient organization. if they can keep driving it, that will be a very, very major change in washington. >> martha: this is an executive order today that got almost no attention. certainly, it made me sit up and park at my ears when i was listening to this. i thought, wow, i don't really think if any of the other people on the republican side running head won we would necessarily be having this conversation. the proof will be in the pudding, as you well know, whether or not he can pull this off as a whole another thing. nobody shrinks the size of these agencies, no one rolls back entitlements. will he be able to pull this of off? >> when you look out, for example, cutting back some of the costs for the brand-new air force one, cutting back some of the costs for buying the f35 fighter plane, every time you turn around, trump is doing something. this is what people don't get to. it is not about right or left. he is an entrepreneur. he gets up every morning and he tries to figure out five or six or eight things he can do that are real, that change things, move us in the right direction. his instinct as a businessman, the reason he ended up being worth so much money, is he is very frugal. he came in under budget, head of schedule. you look at the new trump hotel and pennsylvania avenue where the post office was, they did a wonderful job, ivanka was in charge. they did a great job. they came in under budget and ahead of schedule. he will try to bring that attitude to the entire u.s. government. >> martha: there is a lot of business people around the table. he was criticized for putting so many business people in the cabinets. they understand that cost cutting and decisions that ceos have to make every day. we will see if it gets anywhere. mr. speaker, stay with us. i want to get your reaction to another big story tonight, a spokesperson for the kremlin says that russian officials did not just meet with members of president trump's campaign, they also met with members of the clinton camp. doug mckelway places out for us tonight from the state department. >> hi, martha. these comments basically confirm what many defenders of attorney general jeff sessions have said all along, and what sessions has said, it is not unusual for a sitting senator, a high-level campaign advisor, to have a meeting with an ambassador, even if it is the ambassador from the soviet union or russia. putin's a spokesman was sitting with many would regard are. >> if you look at some people connected with hillary clinton during her campaign, you would probably see that he had lots of meetings of that kind. there are lots of specialists, people working in think tanks, advising hillary or advising people working for hillary. >> we reached out to former clinton campaign spokesman about those comments, who told us, "it is not true," which is why they are were using the word probably. others said it was not the meeting that sessions had with the russian ambassador, but is poorly constructed response to a question during his confirmation hearing for minnesota senator al franken. here it is. >> if there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the trump campaign communicated with the russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do? >> senator franken, i am not aware of any of those activities. i have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and i did not have communications with the russians. i am unable to comment. >> in the flurry of criticism that came after that remark, it came to light that many democrats had also met with him. house minority leader nancy pelosi denied meeting the ambassador, but politico found a 2010 photo with him. same with chuck schumer. senator claire mccaskill tweeted that despite despite having been on the arms committee for ten years, she had never met with him, she apparently forgot a 2010 tweet. indeed, in the midst of all of the sessions controversy, the ambassador was photographed of the speech that president trump gave to a joint session of congress surrounded by democrats. martha, back to you. >> martha: back with more, newt gingrich. but you make about that? >> this is the sort of stuff that leaves the average american to be sick of politics. the democrats and the whole case are just flying. they know that it is routine for a u.s. senator to meet. the truth is, the only person who is getting direct money from a russian company that came in, close to a campaign, john podesta's brother, who was paid over $100,000 by a russian bank to lobby for them in washington. this whole thing is infuriating. you take a guy like jeff sessions, a very honorable, very hard-working man. he wasn't precisely to the question being asked, which clearly is campaign related, and he gave a campaign related answer. had he been asked, have you ever met a russian ambassador, he would have said, sure. as a u.s. senator, of course i have. this whole thing, it is infuriating. by the way, secretary clinton, going back to find out, how many times did she have dinner with the russian foreign minister? how many times did she have meetings? how many times did you meet with the russian ambassador? >> martha: both hillary clinton and candidate trump said they wanted to start over with russia. they thought there might be areas where they could compromise, discuss. i don't think it is all that shocking that either side would have had some sort of outreach to try to fit see whether that might work. before he let you go, i want to get your thoughts on the scoring by the cbo, do you like it or not? >> they should abolish the congressional budget office. it is corrupt, it is dishonest, it was totally wrong on obamacare by huge, huge margins. i don't trust a single word they have published. i don't believe them. >> martha: the head of it is a trump appointee. in many ways, i think people misjudge what they are supposed to do. their job is to figure out whether or not this is something that can get through on reconciliation. not to make a judgment. >> let me be very clear. i helped balance the budget four straight times, we thought the congressional budget office every time. when obamacare came out, they used the architect of obamacare as their advisor on how to score obamacare and their scoring, you go back and look at it, it is a totally dishonest, disgustingly wrong, and that whole thing should be abolished. they should replace it by putting out the bed and having three to five professional firms score these things. nobody has an exact score. it is not possible. even tonight, dr. tom price, secretary of health and human services, pointed out that there are whole sections of us probably didn't score. i really do think it is disgusting. i am disappointed that the republicans are not abolished the congressional budget office because it is so profoundly dishonest. >> martha: more to come on that could. newt gingrich, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> martha: breaking just moments ago, the justice department has responded for any and all information on president trump's allegations that president obama was spying on him during the campaign. judge napolitano with his take on what they said. plus, two exclusives for you tonight. first, sandra durand was killed by a drunk driver who had been deported five times from this country. her fiance joins us as he decides to speak out tonight. also a new documentary about the hours leading up to michael brown's death in ferguson, missouri, in 2014 has created a firestorm. the filmmaker behind that film joins us. before the prosecuting attorney reacts. >> i couldn't believe what i had read. michael was in the store the night before he died. they saw the video tape and i didn't us. guess what, st. louis county? 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>> i don't know that the justice department has watched the intelligence community wants. sources have told fox that if then mr. donald trump, the president-elect, was surveilled as he says he was, during the campaign, after he was elected, it was found by a foreign intelligence entity from a foreign country, an ally of ours, the british foreign intelligence service, known as gc hq, the initials for that entity. that entity was able, then, to bypass the nsa, the cia, the dni, and the doj, the entities in the united states that would have jurisdiction. >> martha: you are suggesting that president obama went beyond our own intelligence agencies and through british surveillance, received the transcripts of phone conversations of a trump campaign was having? >> business what sources him intelligence have told fox. just to give a little background, the nsa has 24/7, 365 access to all the computer servers and telecom service computer in the united states. >> martha: metadata. >> correct. they can download into digital form the conversations and the text. they don't have time to read all of that. but they have access to it. guess what foreign entity has access to the nsa database? this british spying entity, gch gchq. they could have obtained this information, sources tell us, translated the raw data into actual transcripts, and shared it with someone and that the west wing. it probably wouldn't have been with the president personally, because he wouldn't want anybody to say that i met with a british spy in the white house. it would have gone through someone in the white house. >> martha: he wouldn't require a fisa order, he could get that directly. he could just call up the intelligence agencies and say, i would like to see that agency. >> there is a paragraph in the fisa a statute, says, notwithstanding, the president of united states may order surveillance and any person in the united states. >> martha: they have to be a perceived security threat, i would imagine. >> yes but he doesn't need to persuade anybody of that other than himself. now, -- >> martha: there is no evidence of that is what happened. >> correct. the ability would be there. >> the ability is there. according to the sources with whom fox has spoken, that is not what happened. for him to do that, there would be a record of his ordering the nsa took off of these transcripts. by going through foreign entities, and the foreign entities, another foreign entity, besides the gchq, between the white house on the gchq, by going through that route, all of these people whose faces were on the screen, jim comey, sally yates, running the doj at that time -- jack brennan was running the cia, admiral rogers, they could all plausibly and illegally and truthfully say, we have nothing to do with it. >> martha: that's a lot. we will see. interesting. thank you very much. good to see you. still ahead, "the first 100 days" with an exclusive. after surveillance video featured in a new documentary about the 2014 death of michael brown in ferguson, missouri, has touched off a huge round of controversy. the man behind that documentary is here tonight with us. after that, we will speak with ferguson prosecutor bob mccullough to react. a prominent u.s. attorney asked to resign from the doj, but he claims he was fired. we will tell you why critics call the latest act of political grandstanding in the age of trump. marc thiessen and moa leafy debate. joining us next. we'll be right back. ♪ help defend against those digestive issues. take phillips' colon health probiotic caps daily with three types of good bacteria. 400 likes? 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answer to that question as a standard procedure or political grandstanding. no one has given us a full accounting. hard as we might have tried. here's what happened come on friday, the attorney general, jeff sessions, ask for the resignation of the remaining 46 attorneys, that are mated a fellow named preet bharara, the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. asking them for leather art letter of resignation was unusul because on november 30th, then, president-elect donald trump asked him to come to trump tower, where, and a meeting, according to bharara, the president asked him to stay on. let's take you back to that day. >> i said i would consider staying on. i agreed to stay on. i have already spoken to senator sessions. as you know, the nominee to be the attorney general. he also asked that i stay on. >> so, bharara believed he would be the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york for some time to come. what we heard, the attorney general ask for the resignation of all these u.s. attorneys, we thought that ed is a pro forma thing, ask bharara for the resignation letter. he is not going to accept it. now, bharara, as far as we can understand, did not submit a letter of resignation. on saturday, he tweeted out that he had been fired. adding to the intrigue, the fact that a couple of days before bharara was fired, president trump called him to speak with him. i asked the press secretary, sean spicer, what that call was all about. listen. >> can you tell us what that was about? >> the president was calling to thank him for his service. this is a standard, as i say, a standard action and takes place most administrations. then attorney general, almost identical letter in 1993, the bush administration center of a similar one, as well. this is a very common practice. for all political appointees. >> spicer claims it is a common practice. he mentioned janet reno in 1993 asking for letters of resignation for all of the attorneys. among the attorneys was the former u.s. attorney for the southern district of alabama, jeff sessions, who is now the attorney general. he is on solid ground, spicer, when he says that this is standard operating procedure. we still don't know, martha, why bharara was asked to stay on, then, ask for the resignation and later, fired. nobody is saying but both sides are digging in their heels, saying, this is what we are saying and nothing more at this point. >> martha: thank you so much. john roberts at the white house. with more on this, marc thiessen, former chief speechwriter to george w. bush and mo elleithee, founding executive director of georgetown university's institute of politics and public service. welcome, gentlemen. good to see you. so, it is a little bit of a strange twist on what we usually see. where do you think happened here? >> i think they decided to get rid of the attorneys, preet bharara wasn't targeted specifically. they asked for everybody's resignation. trump was probably calling to explain that he had changed his mind. he wouldn't take the call. when he got the request to resign, he wouldn't cement his resignation. it is kind of outrageous. the fact is, as was presented in the opening segment, every president has done this. jeff sessions got fired as a u.s. attorney. i don't know who this guy thinks he is that he can resist it. the larger question is, is donald trump allowed to staff is on his administration? on capitol hill, the democrats are slow rolling not just his cabinet nominees come up with a sub cabinet nominees, hundreds of positions to run the federal government. now, they are creating this fake news outrage, about him firing preet bharara. these people serve at the pleasure of the president, with the president's pleasure ends, so does their service. >> martha: i don't know whether he had told others in that group that they could stay and then changed his mind. i don't know, mo, most people in america really care whether or not he gets to keep his position, if everybody else is going, it seems that is the president's prerogative. do you smell anything more than that? >> 100%, the president's prerogative. 100% common practice for this to happen, as has been noted several times. this feels a little bit different, kind of raises three issues in my mind. one is the mass demand for resignation that asks people to clear up by the end of the day. that is not always normal. most of the time, presidents will, they will demand a resignation letter, but then, will stagger the acceptance of those resignations until they find the a replacement. the fact that they were asked to leave by the end of the day was a little bit abnormal. number two, as has been referenced, he did ask preet bharara to stay on. it begs the question, what changed. why did he suddenly decide. it is his prerogative. it raises some questions, which brings me to the third one. that is, that any ongoing investigations or potential investigations that preet was looking at lead to this decision? >> that is one of the questions that is out there. you look at the southern district of new york, it has produced rudy giuliani, james comey, it is quite possible that he is using this opportunity, as was suggested in the intro, to sort of boost his own political profile, which he certainly seems to have succeeded in doing, marc. >> he certainly has. this is launching his next campaign, mayor, governor, whatever it is. the idea that this is somehow affecting ongoing investigations is wrong. what happens, when the u.s. attorney cap and every other administration, when they step down, career prosecutors pick u. there are zero impact on the investigations. i think what is happening, i think donald trump should be doing more of this. there is an entire federal bureaucracy and a bunch of obama appointees in all these positions, the senate haven't confirmed people, they have all of these holdovers of people borrowing and who are undermining his agenda. he needs people in these positions who are loyal to him. >> martha: thanks, you guys. great to see you both. coming up next, our exclusive interview with the fiance of sandra duran, the woman who was struck and killed by a five-time deported illegal immigrant who was driving drunk. plus, a new documentary has a set up a firestorm of controversy. we are back into this discussion and for good reason. raising new concerns about the hours before michael brown's shooting death in ferguson, missouri. we'll talk with a filmmaker, jason pollock, who says of the new video proves michael brown is innocent. we'll ask him to explain. st. louis prosecutor bob mccullough who says the video was edited to fit a false narrative. you don't want to miss this. coming up right after this. >> he traded the store a little bag of weed and got two boxes of cigarillos in return. he left it at the store and he went back the next day to pick them up. he did not rob the store. ♪ ings, and dividends... an equity 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given two big boxes of cigarillos. the store clerk puts the cigarillos into a bag for mike with his other stuff and hands it over the counter. mike is about to leave the store but decides to have the clerk called his things behind the counter for him. the next day, with his hands politely behind his back, mike goes back into the store to get his stuff. >> martha: now, but the convenience store in the st. louis prosecutor's office are disputing that footage. they are accusing the film maker by editing the video to fit a narrative. in moments, we will hear some both sides. so make your jason pollock louis county prosecutor bob mcculloch. first, trace gallagher with the newly unedited footage that was released just hours ago. >> let me just go back and start with a documentary video, which was michael brown visiting that convenience store just after 1:00 in the morning, which was several hours before he was accused of robbing the very same store. if you look, you can see brown grab some drinks and ask for cigarillos. when the clerk bags the sodas and many cigars, michael brown places something on the counter. the filmmaker, jason pollock, says it is marijuana. brown is making a trade. it appears the clerks pick up whatever brown put down and they look at it and they smell it. jason pollock then goes on to say, here is what really happened. a listen. >> of mike traded the store a little bag of weed and got two boxes of cigarillos in return. he left his items at the store and he went back the next day to pick them up. mike did not rob the store. >> county prosecutor because the filmmaker's claim "just a stupid and nonsense, the poor the edited step it leaves out critical context." we went back. we looked at the entire video sequence and it was agitated. he did leave out context. for example, the filmmaker did not show the clerk talking to michael brown, clearly debating whether to make or trade for whatever he had put on the counter. the film maker did not show the clerk taking back the sodas and the cigars and putting them back on their shelves. the lawyer at the convenience store says brown tried to barter but he failed. listen to him. >> this is the argument that is going on between michael brown and the clerks. what do you mean? you want to barter with me? what you mean i can trade with you? why not? come on, man. the language got heated and it got ugly. >> the filmmaker stands by his claim that the footage would have changed the narrative that michael brown was shot after robbing a convenience store. police say it irrelevant because the officer didn't stop go burn for robbery, he stopped him for walking in the middle of the street. >> martha: thank you. joining me now is the filmmaker behind "stranger fruit," jason pollock. good to have you here. >> hello. how are you? i am simply stunned by that report. simply stunned. beautiful job. >> martha: have a question for you. to me, what are you proposing, legally? it makes no difference whether a robbery happened or a trade for pot happened or a bank got robbed or he was home doing his homework. what matters is what happens in the street when he and officer wilson and counter each other. so, why have you focused so heavily on what happened in the convenience store? 's big event is a very interesting way to phrase this. i have completely agree with you. the reason we put out this convenience store tape now is so that people can get over it. he didn't rob the store. anyone that sees the exchange that takes place with a conscience, a heart, two mines, and not a bigot, pretty much understands what happens. unfortunately, there are some people in america with so much bias inside of them that they just want to think that michael brown is a bad guy. yes, let's talk about the physical evidence -- >> martha: they think that michael brown is a bad guy because 40 fbi agents went to ferguson to investigate this case at the behest of eric holder, who showed up almost immediately after it happened. i think it is fair to assume that they really believed that they were going to be able to indict officer wilson, that he had -- >> that is absolutely not true! don't just say that! >> martha: you were just saying plenty of things. the fbi agents went down there, eric holder went down there. >> to indict darren wilson? no way! you know how the system works. these cops get off every single time. bob mcculloch has been the prosecutor for over two decades. for 23 years -- excuse me. let me finish this. for 23 years, according to "the washington post," there has not been a prosecution of a single police shooting in st. louis county. every single one of them, none of them are indictable? >> martha: it is my turn. you are suggesting that 40 fbi agents -- to ensure -- listen to be. >> they failed. >> martha: it is not possible in your brain that what happened was what was found by both a grand jury and 40 fbi agents, you are discounting, you are saying all that is a matter? their investigation is not true? michael brown did not reach into that car, grabbed his gun -- >> can i speak now? when the facts of this case come out and my film, "stranger fruit," the real facts of this case, the facts of this case that bob mcculloch doesn't want us talking about, the fact that michael brown was shot in the head and a bullet came out of his side, do you know how that would happen? when your head is down. there is a bullet in the ground. in the report, there is a bullet in the ground by michael browns had. how would a bullet go through here come out of his eye and go in the air? excuse me -- >> martha: they were three forensic investigations that were done. >> i don't care! we failed him! >> martha: they were told that he was shot in the back. >> do you know how many black men are in jail right now? for nothing? for nothing? because the department of justice failed them. you know how many black men are in jail right now? we are okay. my film will show the public the truth, ma'am. if you want to know the truth, you should watch it. >> martha: okay. i don't know why you got so caught up with trading pot or stealing something, completely irrelevant to the outcome of this case. joining me now to respond to this is bob mcculloch, who you just heard mention, the st. louis county prosecuting attorney, i would imagine, he has a response to a very heated jason pollock. good evening, sir. good to have you here. what do you think? >> good evening. i'm happy to be here. he has his facts wrong, not shockingly. there was no bullet to the ground anywhere here michael brown. there were three separate medical examiners, including one hired by the brown family, they all came to the same conclusion. he is making up facts, as he goes along, to push his film. he's an amateur filmmaker and he is just making things up to do that. >> martha: no police officer has ever been prosecuted for shooting an unarmed person in ferguson, missouri, ? >> ferguson, yes. in st. louis county come i think it's what they are asking. over the years, there have been several shootings, all have been investigating. none of them were indicted. correct. >> martha: he is claiming that they were underhanded tactics, things were hidden, the story and it the investigation done by 40 fbi agents, overseen by the department of justice and the grand jury, that they all were inconclusive, to make sure that darren wilson was never indicted. >> listen to what you just said and tell me how silly that it is. it really is silly, that somehow, i have this control over the united states department of justice, the attorney general of the united states, the fbi. it is just nonsense. this guy is trying to push his movie, which is made up, makes up the facts. you saw the entire surveillance video from all four angles, unedited. he is trying to strike a deal. >> martha: is there any legal prevalence to what happened in the convenience store? it seems to me that the whole question begins in the street when these two, darren wilson and michael brown, confront each other. correct? >> it begins there but it relates back to the incident at the store at about noon on that day. if that plays into this. that became relevant to what went on into the street. what happened at 11:00, i'm sorry, 1:00 that morning, was both logically and illegally irrelevant. the material was never presented to the grand jury. that is not something i would be able to use in a trial, had there been any kind of an indictment coming out of this. it is not going to be presented to the grand jury. it is documented. this isn't new information. it's documented in the police report, the conversation the police had with the employees of the store. the fact that we issued a search warrant so they could get the surveillance video that they looked at the surveillance video, examined it, documented that, describe what is on that video, all of which was released, november 24th 2014. it has all been sitting there. open to the world, often to anyone who wants to look at it, including this fellow. >> martha: bob mcculloch, thank you very much. good to have you here tonight, sir. >> my pleasure. any time. >> martha: coming up next, the unthinkable tragedy of sandra duran, who was killed by a drunk driver on her way home from church with her sister. this band had been deported five times from this country. her fiance, roderigo macias, xi segment on this the other night, and he is joining us now to speak exclusively. we will be right back. complete with key nutrients we may need. plus it supports bone health with calcium and vitamin d. one a day women's in gummies and tablets. may not always be clear. but at t. rowe price, we can help guide your retirement savings. so wherever your retirement journey takes you, we can help you reach your goals. call us or your advisor t. rowe price. invest with confidence. and her new mobile wedding business.tte at first, getting paid was tough... until she got quickbooks. now she sends invoices, sees when they've been viewed and-ta-dah-paid twice as fast for free. visit quickbooks-dot-com. announcer: get on your feet for the nastiest bull in the state of texas. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> martha: an update on a story that we reported out of california last week. an illegal immigrant, who had been deported from this country five times, faced charge of manslaughter and a drunk driving crash that took the life of this mother of two, sandra duran. duran's fiance, rodrigo macias, was watching this program when we initially reported on her tragic death. he reached out to us about representing their family in this case. joining me now, and his "the first 100 days" exclusive, rodrigo macias, fiance of sandra duran, and his attorney. welcome. good have you here tonight. >> hi, martha. >> martha: how low. rodrigo, i am so sorry for your loss. i read about sandra, she sounds like a wonderful person. as i said, she and her sister were on her way back from church one sunday morning and ben, what happened, tell us? >> it was her 18-year-old son, our 18-year-old son come on the way back from church. what happened was, they were on the way back from church, this illegal immigrants was evading come out ran a red light, instantly killed my fiance, sandra duran. he t-boned her. >> martha: tell me a little bit about her. >> sandra was a great, loving, devoted mother, sister, and daughter. great, great, wonderful person. >> martha: she had an 18-year-old son and a 12-year-old son, is that right? >> yes, we do. a 12-year-old and an 18-year-old. the 18-year-old was in the vehicle when it happened. unfortunately, he saw his mother dying in front of him. that is very unfortunate. this goes back to trump supporters and his whole policy on sanctuary cities and then, we are victims of this, this happens to us. >> martha: shocking. david, tell me about the suspect, about his history, but what he was doing here and how he could possibly still be in the country. >> like you indicated, mr. alvarado has been deported five times since 1998. he has numerous convictions. somehow, made his way back to los angeles or was let out of jail. the mayor and the police chief of los angeles, mr. garcetti and charlie beck, have basically engineer the sanctuary city in los angeles, and allowed his presence. how many other of them are around or under the same circumstances, posing a risk to innocent citizens like him, we don't know. martha, this is essentially another kate steinle tragedy. the only difference is, mr. alvarado used a car as a weapon instead of a gun. the tragedy and this is that we are trying to seek justice in a state where it is very difficult. the federal court just dismissed kate steinle's lawsuit, saying that they don't have to notify the feds of deportation. we will leave no stone unturned to try to seek justice for mr. macias and his family. this just can continue to happen. we are confident mr. trump, by the way, who has this as one of his main target, he will help out, passing laws, may be kate's law, may be defunding los angeles from federal dollars because of this policy. he is a wonderful guy with a wonderful family. this should never happen. >> martha: this should never, ever have happened. >> if it was a regular, american citizen, that was born in this country, and had the rap sheet that mr. alvarado had, there is no way that person would be out in public, he would be locked up in jail after all those felonies. >> martha: gentlemen thank you so much. thank you for being here. roughly 60 million americans right in the bull's-eye of a late winter storm. who is expected to get hit? 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fight back. tweeden is accusing al franken in two separate incidents in the uso tour when franken was a cast member of "saturday night live," including one that happened in a rehearsal for a skit that tweed would consider sexual assault. here she is. >> he put his hand on the back of my head. he mashed his face against me. it happened so fast. he mashed his lips against my face. he stuck his tongue in my mouth so fast. i pushed him off with my hands and i said, if you ever do that to megan, i will not be so nice about it the second time. >> the second incident is this picture taken on a plane ride home from the tour where she claims al franken groped her while she slept. franken apologized saying that i respect women, i don't respect men that don't and that fact that my own actions have given people a good reason to doubt that makes me feel ashamed. as for the photograph, franken says "i don't know what was in my head when i took that picture and it doesn't matter. there's no excuse. i look at it now and i feel disgusted with myself." democratic leaders saying sexual harassment is no tolerated. i hope this matter will be investigated. there's talk among democrats because of the picture is so damaging, that al franken might be forced to resign. tucker? >> tucker: trace gallagher from l.a. and so chadwick, i know al franken a long time. i never thought of him as a sexual harasser. i have thought of him as not a nice person that -- this is an open secret in washington, that mistreats his staff, a screamer, takes credit for other people's work. he's horrible to those beneath him. all of that has been excused for many years because his politics are mainstream politics. he's a liberal. if you're the right politics, you get excused by the left. are you making that up? >> that is how it is. look at hollywood. look at everything happening now. al the allegations coming down. even just aside from basic hypocrisy. we have everyone on the left coming off roy moore, been coming after roy moore, you know, it's their own team, they don't know what to do. this is not merely hypocrisy. there's something more sinister on the left when they built a party platform, that tells people like women, like gays, like blacks that you're victims and we're here to protect you. the other side hates you. what happens when people come out especially in the allegations now? sometimes the women are attacked by the left. joy behar called bill clinton's accusers tramps. so it becomes more sinister when you realize that they don't care about these people, about these groups that they purport to be standing up for. they only care about one thing. that one thing is power. >> tucker: yeah, accumulating power. i've noticed particularly in the case of al franken, he's the first one to stand up in a hearing and lecture people how he's better than they are. do you see a connection between outward expressions of self-righteousness and people's secret personal behavior? am i imagining that, too? >> i agree with you. i heard someone say the other day as soon as you hear a man call himself a feminist, you can start the clock on the rape charges. it's true. the more -- you see it with race, right? i've noticed this my entire life. you see it with the sort of white liberal race people that are all day long talking about black lives matter but they're the first person to cross the street if a black man is walking towards them late at night. the first person to be rude to their brown skin nanny or what have you. it's so obvious. there's a sort of cover going here. when you see someone trying so hard to say they care for people, these groups of people. maybe you should look at that. >> tucker: it's true. i once asked al sharpton if he was a bigot. he said to me in a moment of candor. he said the only group i don't like, white liberals. they patronize me. i thought there's something to this. i don't fully understand the syndrome here. but it's related. people that have thoughts they're ashamed of tend to attack other people of having those thoughts. >> i agree with you. that spans the gamut. >> tucker: yeah. i'd say senator franken is in that category. thanks. >> thank you. >> tucker: the accusations against senator franken overshadow what could be a bigger story. congress has known about sexual misconduct for years and has dolled out your money, taxpayer cash, to keep it quiet. a group called the office of compliance has handed out more than $15 million to settle 260 alleged cases of sexual harassment and other wrong doing by members of congress. jason chaffetz was head of this committee and joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me on. a disgusting topic but i'm glad you're covering it. >> tucker: it is. i don't want to fall into assuming people are guilty or self-righteousness, which is a natural by product of discussing things like this. one thing we can all agree on is that congress shouldn't be using taxpayer money to settle cases like this and then kind of keep it from public view. why is this the arrangement up there? >> no, no, we need to maximize the transparency so people can see what is happening. if you're breaking the law but engaging in sexual harassment, why should the people of kansas or utah or florida have to reach in their pockets to pay off a settlement for something that you did? the member should be responsible or the that. >> tucker: that's exactly it. not everybody accused is guilty. we should always remember that. >> right. >> tucker: on the other hand, if you're accused by a staff of mistreatment, it's between you and your staff member. the congress is not a company. shareholders are not on the hook. why don't the members pay the settlements? >> and look, you also have -- in large part, washington d.c., the congressional offices are run by a bunch of 20-year-olds. we have so many interns, people fresh out of college. would you want to send your son or daughter into an office where they had to settle a case for sexual harassment? these offices are pretty small in the house of representatives. you have six or seven people working in there. it's not a very big place in the individual office. so i think they need to maximize that transparency, which they can do if they choose to do. i believe in the principle of restitution. they should have to pay for it themselves if they broke it or committed something against the law. then they should give ex-pleasure to new employees coming in so they're not stepping into a bad situation. >> tucker: so how has this been able to persist so long? we've had sexual assault scandals on the hill. they had to shut the page school down because members were being molested. so why is this -- why have members been able to dip into taxpayer money to settle these? >> i have no good excuse for it. i have to tell you, i haven't had a lot of visibility on it. we've had things happen -- the 8 1/2 years i was there, we had one member on the republican side shooting selfies with his shirt off. but the moment john boehner heard about that, he called him in. the guy resigned in a couple hours. we had another person, a democratic side of the aisle. remember they had tickle fights. tickle fights with their staff members. it went on for a couple weeks -- >> tucker: policy related or nonpolicy related tickle fights? >> it's disgusting. i can't explain it, tucker. i can't. >> tucker: congressman, thanks for that perspective. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> tucker: well, the feds just rounded up close to 200 ms-13 gang members in the united states illegally. so why are mayors of a bunch of cities still fighting against the immigration laws? 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>> it's great when you have federal law enforcement step in and assist localities and ensuring that federal immigration laws are enforced. so when you look at that as an example, you know, that's an example of where there was cooperation and public safety is paramount to every mayor across this city. that's what we're looking for in our municipalities. >> tucker: but a sanctuary city by definition offers sanctuary to people here illegally. you'll have more people there that are not allowed to be here and why doesn't that help groups like ms-13? >> yeah, it's because that term "sanctuary city" means so many things to different people. i tell people all the time, this doesn't mean that we're hiding undocumented immigrants in the basements of city hall. it's interesting that when john kelly was heading homeland security and was asked by a police chief in san diego what the definitions of sanctuary city was, his response is who the hell knows. but what it means in the city of albany, we're going to do our job and we're going to expect the federal government to do their job. >> tucker: do you have the same policy for bank robbery and kidnapping? >> you know, this is -- we are not called upon to enforce federal immigration law. i'll give you an example. >> tucker: but hold on. do you have the same policy for other federal crimes? you would have no problem, i assume, assisting the feds in apprehending a bank robber. why is this different? >> simply being in this country without documentation is not a crime. the u.s. supreme court has said that. so what we have to look at and -- >> tucker: it's not a crime? then why -- >> how do we keep our cities safe. i have a police chief who i believe is doing an outstanding job in policing in this city. one of the challenges that we have is that there is an underreporting of crime by immigrants that are here. documented or undocumented. we have a large -- >> tucker: can you back up a second? you said being here illegally is not illegal? how is that -- i'm not aware of that supreme court decision. how is that true? >> in arizona versus the united states, the supreme court said simply being here undocumented is not a crime. there's civil violations and criminal violations. >> tucker: it's not a crime. so why -- in other words, the u.s. government has no right to deport people or to put them -- >> they absolutely -- >> if it's not a crime -- >> tucker: why are they not doing it? >> they have a civil liability, this is about keeping a city safe, upholding the contusion -- >> tucker: look, i'm trying to be respectful. you know you're not telling the truth. if someone is here illegally and working, he's using forged federal documents and that is a crime. okay? because the congress passed a series of laws after 9/11 because all 19 hijackers had fact documents that made a serious crime. so your city is 40% foreign born. probably a ton there illegally and used forged documents and you're not doing anything about it. you don't think that that is a threat to the safety of people in the other parts of the country? >> that's not local municipalities or law enforceme enforcement. we have the tenth amendment. what is in the constitution that is the power of the federal government is the power of the federal government and everything else -- >> tucker: why not apply -- this is political. that's why it's hard to take a lecture from you about the contusion when you know this is political pressure that is making you ignore federal law on this subject but not on others, right? let's be honest. >> by this is why the provision in the brady handgun law that required local municipalities to do background checks was found to be unconstitutional. because the federal government cannot force municipalities, states or local governments to do things that they're not within their power. we're not uber ice here. we're here -- >> tucker: let me ask you a specific question. if the feds say look, we're trying to find someone that is a criminal alien and you have them in custody, will you hold them another day until we get there? i believe under your policy, the answer would be no. >> well, we have always cooperated. our policy is to cooperate. we follow section 1373, that there's been a lot of talk about. we work with federal and state officials in law enforcement actions all the time. and so what we are talking about when we talk about sanctuary is that it's not our police officers' job to ask a person what their legal status is. >> tucker: but if the feds ask you to hold someone, would you? >> we're not going ask them to tell us whether or not or show us their papers. that's what this -- that's what our -- >> tucker: no, no. that's not what they're asking. they're saying if we believe a federal task force believes this is part of ms-13 can you hold them for us, you'd say no. >> we have to have a legitimate reason. >> tucker: that's not a legitimate reason? breaking federal immigration law passed by congress? come on. >> the fourth amendment says you have to have probable cause. if the federal government provides probable cause, absolutely -- >> tucker: the probable cause is we know he's here in the country violating federal law and we hold them on the grounds and he's ms-13 would you do that. >> if a warrant is issued, we can hold people. we have to follow the constitution. that's all we're doing. the file thing, too, is this -- >> tucker: real quick. we're almost out of time. >> okay. we're a city that has a growing immigrant population. it's good for our economy. it is -- when we look at northeastern cities and an aging population, if we want to continue to have a vibrant economy, we have to be welcoming to everybody. >> tucker: as an economic -- there's no evidence to support that actually, this is -- >> actually -- >> tucker: i don't know as much as you and i don't think there's evidence that that is all economic upside. but we're going to have to agree to disagree, i guess. that's enough. mayor sheehan, thank you. the president made a president to -- made a promise to help the middle class. will the tax plan do that? 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their big model collapsed completely. the company shed half of its employees. they neglected their most basic duties to customers allowing privacy breaches that exposed personal data to hackers. in the face of this, mayor said for an endless series of media profiles, including a spread in "vogue." as her company was failing, she through a wizard of oz themed photo shoot with executives that cost $70,000. all would agree her tenure was a disaster. yahoo was sold to verizon for less than $5 billion. a $95 billion discount from what it was once worth. somehow in return for presiding over yahoo's destruction, mayer collected did 239 million from the company. at an earlier age, this would be called looting. the media would have attacked marissa mayer as incompetent and greed. employees would have picketed her house. liberals celebrated marissa mayer as a feminist hero. she serves on the board of wal-mart. all is well for her. remember this when somebody says that corporations need a bigger tax cut than you do. there's many reasons that american companies are not competitive. tax rates are one of them. mike kelly is a republican. he represents pennsylvania. thanks for coming on. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: i was talking to somebody in any neighborhood. a dentist. voted for trump. conservative. he said under this tax plan, i would get a tax increase as a dentist. and all these left-wing companies like apple and yahoo would get tax decreases. why would i support this? i thought it was a fair question. >> it is a fair question. i don't know the details on that with the dentist but i know this. everybody in america will get a tax advantage. they'll have actually pay lower taxes. i would like to talk to the dentist and see how he figured that. >> tucker: standard deductions. he's above the threshold. he's not a rich guy but he's a bush the threshold where the taxes would increase. >> i don't understand that. all the data i looked at, that would not happen, again, i'm always interested to talk to people. what we did today, we had a giant first step when it comes to tax cuts and job creation. we go with the senate. the senate's language he be coming out soon. we'll go to conference and then the white house what is left to be done is left to be done. this bill only gets better. >> tucker: here's what i don't understand. if i'm a private equity guy, i can still pay half of the tax rate of someone who is working for a wage. the dentist, i talked to. that carried interest loop hole. why would we be rewarding finance in this? >> i don't see it quite that way in all the data that i've looked at. it doesn't match up with some of the things i'm hearing from what people are saying. having said that, people are going to continue to question. people are saying this is not matching up and it's not what i thought it would be. we're saying the bill gets better as each day goes on. >> tucker: i'm for that. i'm for getting better. but here's the thing that made me nervous. reading -- maybe it's not true. the corporate rate cuts are permanent, but the rate cuts for individuals sunset after ten years. they're not permanent that suggests to me a weird priority. corporations are doing great. >> i don't think it sets the word priority. we'll see the final version. but we have noticed the erosion of corporate jobs and moving overseas. they're not moving overseas because they don't like america. they're moving because they're overtaxand overregulated. we're bringing the jobs back home and preventing jobs from leaving. you and i both know the key to success is a dynamic and robust economy. a economy that grows. a lot of what we look at today, we're denying the growth opportunity that will take place as we go forward. we have to look at that. >> tucker: why not say look, we'll give you a rate cut, apple. but you have to invest the money here. there's no mechanism for making them do that. >> the mechanism is ifdown have a better environment to work, in you'll do it here. people didn't leave here because they don't like it. they left because it was an unfavorable taxing situation. guy back to this. if you're going to have an environment of growth, let's really have an environment of growth. i think some of the things being ignored is the growth that this tax policy will bring about. it's just following a path of success. that is the way we're having to go we're going to continue and i said this before, we're going to continue to make this bill better day after day. we're going to get the language from the senate. we're going to conference with the senate to come up with the final package. it will go to the president and hopefully by christmas we'll have that. again a dynamic and robust economy that lefts all boats. everybody's wages will rise and we'll hear the conversations -- >> tucker: i look at the stock market. the middle of the country is dying. i'm not convinced -- i want to believe, but there doesn't seem to be a direct line between corporate profits -- >> a lot of folks i represent in pennsylvania. they'll get automatically a $2,000 less taxes, right? $2,300 more in wages. you put that together, that's dynamic. that will give people more take-home pay. with corporations, when we get corporations to stay here in the united states of america and stay because they want to be here as opposed to being forced offshore, we win. >> tucker: i'm for that i hope that works. >> it is going to happen. it will happen. >> tucker: thanks very much. activists have identify a new super weapon that requires more regulation. there's a twist. it's been around for 300 years. we'll tell you about the deadly device next. in the modern world, it pays to switch things up. and when you switch to esurance, you can save time, worry, hassle, and yup, money. in fact, drivers who switched from geico to esurance saved hundreds. that's auto and home insurance for the modern world. esurance. an allstate company. click or call. 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>> unfortunately, if you had me on every time there was a mass shooting, might be every night. i'm glad to be here. what you left out is there's a company that is trying to jump through a loop hole like people do and create a muzzle that can be shot with a silencer that shoots 50 caliber bullets. they can do a lot of damage. let's say the d.c. sniper wanted to do that. what we're doing is trying to have a conversation before. every time we bring it up after a shooting, you say now is not the time. >> tucker: so how many crimes do you think in the last 100 years have been committed with muzzleloaders? >> well, once this new muzzle is created, we don't know. you do a great job, it works for you. i'm not saying it should stop. you do a great job focusing on the single things? >> tucker: like the facts? >> avoidance of a conversation about guns. you do it well. >> tucker: to hear you have gabby gifford's group to say they want to regulate a gun that they know nothing about and you put it in the powder and the wadding and the round and the whole thing takes like a minute. so you know, it's not probably going to be responsible for a lot of mass shootings. >> a silencer and a 50 caliber bullet means that one person can die. we talk about preventative. you don't want to talk about reaction ordinary. the biggest issue -- >> tucker: can i ask you a question? i know you're a gun expert. why would a silencer -- what does that have to do with it? >> if you were the d.c. sniper perhaps you want to shoot a gun so nobody can hear so you can get away. >> tucker: silencers or u.s. pressers don't make a gunshot inaudible. >> they do help -- >> tucker: no, they don't. i've shot them. a 50 caliber -- >> it's fine. let's say that i grant you that. the biggest -- >> tucker: no, no. >> i will. the biggest conversation is there's an avoidance of a conversation of how the overabundance of guns in the country is correlated to gun violence. >> tucker: i'm trying to have the conversation in specific terms rather than bumper sticker terms. so i'd like to bring it back to the tangible. here's a firearm that a gun control group is trying to regulate. my question is why. they're the least threatening firearm you could pick out of the full range of firearms. that suggests to me the people making this recommendation literally know nothing and exposed themselves -- >> what they do know is that the united states makes up 4% of the population. almost half of the guns in the entire world. there's a correlation with countries that have access to guns and gun violence. what they know, you're no more likely to be robbed in america than in london but more likely to be killed because of the access to guns. >> tucker: no, it's a fairly complex question as to why that is. but let's get back to -- >> recent studies show when you adjust the population, the number one thing that tells you if a country has mass shootings is guns. >> tucker: i don't concede that point because it's silly. >> you don't have to. it's true. >> tucker: no, it's speculative. >> it's not. >> tucker: what is speculative is that a gun control group that is responsible for no mass crimes or shootings and takes a full minute to take one shot. that says the goal is not safety. it's disarming the population. >> i'm trying to save lives. >> tucker: how many lives have been taken by muzzleloaders. we're trying to prevent that. you don't want to do that. >> tucker: i don't think there's any evidence that it's ever happened on ever will happen. >> so we shouldn't talk after it after or before someone jumps there a loop hole. when should we? 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tech billionaire, $80 million piece of property in arizona to build a tech city. >> i'm so excited that we're both pausing. >> tucker: mark steyn. >> jeff bezos. >> tucker: good guess. is that the correct answer? >> gates snapping up 25,000 acres. thousands of acres in arizona. huge. price tag, $80 million. 80,000 homes and plenty of room forestry, high speed data, centers and self-driving cars. ready for this, bill? >> tucker: bill gates a planned community. would you want to live there? >> i wouldn't want to list in my community planned by bill gates. it's like living in windows 97 the rest of your life. >> tucker: i agree. during his 12 day trip to asia, the president was serenaded by a world leader. >> duarte. >> tucker: yes, a.b. to the tape. ♪ >> and duarte sang a love song saying he did it on orders from the president. >> the orders of the commander-in-chief of the united states. >> that is the best since putin did blueberry hill. that was great. >> tucker: that is fantastic. there's a lot of people -- >> you know, i learned about that through reading. that was my first time hearing it. it was painful. wow. i don't want to see that again. i can't hear it. >> tucker: you're an old school journal's. question number 3 is multiple change. "people" magazine just named the 2017 sexiest man alive. was it chris hemsworth, two, brad pitt or three, blake shelton. there was an honorable mention. mark steyn. sexiest man alive. >> i was going to say mark steyn. but i think i'll go with chris hemsworth. >> wrong. it's blake. >> tucker: we'll find out. >> was that inappropriate? >> tucker: does the tape confirm mark steyn's guess? >> have you seen this yet? "people" magazine's sexiest man alive edition. that honor goes to blake shelton. ♪ >> well -- let the report show -- >> tucker: do you know who chris hemsworth is? >> no. >> tucker: but you knew it was blake shelton. >> i did. >> tucker: do you know who he is? >> no. i heard it in the background while i was getting ready for work on a tv show or radio show. >> tucker: fantastic. my guess chris cuomo. a painting of jesus sold for half a billion dollars in an auction. it was created by which painter? >> i know this one. leonardo da vinci as the "new york post" put it. >> tucker: does the tape confirm leonardo? >> the painting which depicts jesus is referred to as the last da vinci because it's believed to be the only painting in private hands. 19 minutes after the gavel hit, it sold for $450 million. the highest price ever for a piece of art. >> tucker: leonardo is right. not dicaprio. >> no. that will retain its value longer than your microsoft stock or sampson or any of that. half billion for that, that will pay off -- >> tucker: very impressive. if i'm looking for an investor advice, you're the man. >> yes. >> tucker: we'll see if you can get back to zero. final question. boston dynamics, a robotics company, came out with a rechargeable pet to keep sad people company. the robot is modeled after which kind of animal? mark steyn. >> based on what they have in japan, i'm going to go with cat. >> tucker: cat. a robotic cat the answer? >> boston dynamics have developed -- i kind of like it. it's a robotic dog. >> terrifying. >> oh, my god. >> 55 pounds. all electric. it can go 90 minutes on a charge. >> doesn't even remotely resemble a dog. >> tucker: cat was a great guess because consider the market there. >> yeah, yeah. >> tucker: it's a cat market there. but as a.b. said, it looks more like an insect. >> tucker: a.b. stoddard, you win. you get the mug. good job. >> i know when mark anchors the show, he gets a freebie. i don't feel badly. >> i'm holding out for the shannon bream creamer. >> martha: i covet this. >> i'm throwing out my tucker carlson -- >> tucker: that's it for the final ex-exam. you can play along next thursday. liberty mutual stood with me when this guy got a flat tire in the middle of the night. hold on dad... liberty did what? yeah, liberty mutual 24-hour roadside assistance helped him to fix his flat so he could get home safely. my dad says our insurance doesn't have that. don't worry - i know what a lug wrench is, dad. is this a lug wrench? maybe? you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. ♪ ♪ohhhhhh, ou! guess what i just got? uh! ♪i used to be spellbound hello again. ♪i used to be spellbound hi. ♪i used to be spellbound that's a big phone. ♪in your arms. 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