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stay and answer additional questions or whatever you want to talk about. the "life in the whit war of 18t for two and a half years. we don't call world war ii the war of 1941 to we don't call the civil war the world 1861 but we call it the war of 1812. folks that support it and feel it was a positive thing called america's second war for independence. i think it was that. it's detractors call it an unnecessary war come and they think it was unnecessary. thankfully we haven't had an unnecessary war since then, right? [laughter] i call it the unknown war because no one does anything about it. my favorite president harry truman was characteristically blunt on the war of 1812 treaty, he called it the silliest damn war we ever fought. and they think it was that, too. it was a war that had we won, candidate would have been a state. and possibly we would have had a huge slave colony in mexico, maybe even cuba. had we lost the war of 1812, we would've become once again a colony of britain. but after all that fighting them all that loss of lives, it wasn't in the end a costly and complicated fight. it was a war that was fought from the great lakes down to the gulf coast. it was fought against the canadiens, the british, american indians. it was fought off the coast of brazil. it was fought in the atlantic and the pacific. it was fought all over england and the madrid but it was a continental wide land war and it was a worldwide naval and economic campaign. a fascinating war. in the end when the peace treaty was signed, the reasons why we have the war were not even a part of the peace treaty. some of the causes of the war were no longer apparent when we signed a declaration to go to war. folks rather just wanted to rush to war. so how did we get into the war of 1812? there were a lot of causes. with brevity i will list three main causes of the war. number one, impressment. anybody hear of him breast and? good. impressment come with this was was the british would simply pull over, stop an american merchant ship and they would press our sailors into service. they would just go and board and takes years off and say welcome to his majesty's royal navy. why did he do this? a couple of reasons. one of them was this. britain was at war with napoleon, and this was a continental wide war in europe. it was total war. napoleon was hell-bent on dominant europe, and then some. it was total war to the point where if we trade with napoleon or gave a friendship safe harbor, the british thought it was an act of war. conversely if we trade with the brits and allowed a british ship to dock, the french saw it as an act of war. it was total war. while france possibly have the strongest army on land, easily britain was the mistress of the seas. the british navy was the master of the oceans. here's one of the ideas that britain had. britain fell one of the ways it could when the war was to blockade every port in europe. imagine how ambitious and then blockade ports in the caribbean and north america. therefore, they would deny the french navy the ability to resupply the army, the ability to move the army, men and weapons, the inability to export and, therefore, raise the money to fund the war him and the inability to import items the resources which they needed to fight the war. so the equivalent to the stranglehold. they launch this huge blockade. if you have a massive blockade, you need a lot of chips. britain won 1000 ships in the navy. can you imagine? 1000 ships means two things. canada becomes very important. you need wood for the ships. with all due respect, england is a relatively small, crowded resource poor island compared to canada. canada's endless forests could build 1000 ships to canada becomes important. secondly, if you that many ships you are going to blockade that many ships company a lot of sailors. and work in a sailors in his majesty's navy. one of the things the brits did, there were a lot of enterprising pub owners. a lot of pub owners didn't just make the money from selling alcohol and food. what they would do at the end of the night, and when they close up shop there would be six guys passed out drunk. they would load them in wagons, south and to the british navy. they guys would wake up the next day with a cold bucket of salt water in face and something over them saying, welcome to the navy. right? prison populations were forced into. even the fact that britain did not have enough sales, so they stopped american merchant ships and took our sailors. new england fishermen, new england sailors were some of the best in the world and, therefore, that was an attractive prize for the british. can you imagine american communities along the coast, wives and widows, newspapers and politicians, when a ship goes back to port and says the men were taken off, several men were taken off and never heard from again. americans were angered, rightly upset. moreover, another reason the british did this is so many british sailors would jump ship and join our navy, our merchant fleet or just be an american. why? life aboard a british warship, hard discipline, long tours of duty, short life expectancy, not much they. or you could work for an american merchant ship, good pay, short tours of duty, lacks condition, be a free american and own your own land. so a lot of brits were jumping ship. one such incident happened in 1807, and we came this close to having the war of 1807. here's what happened. free brits, sailors it jumped ship and came into view as other british ship that was at port. not only did they jump ship but it appears they still a captain's rowboat to do that. so the captain wanted his boat and wanted his ship back. the rumor was that they went to work on board the ship the uss chesapeake your so the british ship is laying anchor waiting for the chesapeake to come out of harbor, and there's another british warship called the hms leopard. perfect name, isn't it? this warship is waiting for our ship. when the chesapeake comes out of port, its deck is filled with supplies and water, and its gun port doors are closed but if you want to fight again judge erodes -- had to raise the gun port doors and the deck was strewn with supplies boost had all the way to the north african coast to fight the barbary high rates -- high rates. so the ship is sailing, the chesapeake and the leopard pulls up beside it. they said that they want to board the chesapeake and both commanded engage in an exchange with what was then called a trumpet. today we would call it a bullhorn. the american said we're not going to let you board. the british opened fire. when we were at peace. they severely damaged the ship. they killed many men on the ship. then they board our ship and take the suspected brits and no particular, take them off the ship and press them into service. could you imagine the chesapeake limps back into port, damaged, attacked by unprovoked attack by the british with men taken off the deck of the ship. we wanted war. thankfully thomas jefferson knew that the american navy which consisted of a handful of ships was not ready to take on the british navy, and he appealed to come and go ahead. so we came this close to having the war of 1807. second, the indian question. the indian question. back during colonial times, we, the whites and british, had made a deal that if the engines stop attacking the western frontier, we won't move west of the appalachians. we really honored that treaty, didn't we? and all the rest. by attacking settlers on the west i mean a wild, wild west back in would be pittsburgh, roanoke and cleveland was the hinterlands, right? that was the do. what happened of course as soon as we gain our independence we rushed west. in the early 1800s, it marks the beginning of the end for the american indian. jefferson buys louisiana, the louisiana purchase. doubles the size of the country. even today it's one-third of the land mass of the continental u.s. we rushed west. so in the late 1790s and the 1800s, there's an all out bloodbath on the frontier. the indians massacring men, women and children among the white settlers. in the late 1700s, it was something called the battle of fallen timbers, 1797, i'm sorry. 1797. has anyone heard of that battle? one. good. we'll learn something new. there was a chief whose name was little turtle. not a very intimidating name, right? he probably had a name for your to complex. chief little turtle. so chief little turtle organizes a large confederation and the purpose is they're going to attack whites on the frontier. and the american government is rightly concerned that the dispatch a tough rubbish a guide named general mad anthony wayne. perfect nickname. he goes in with a vastly superior forces. chief little turtle we believe had about 1000 workers which was a huge army for indians at the time. we had maybe 2650 regulars plus 1000 volunteers plus. before we attacked chief little turtle, we knew that, because he was defending his land, that he and his braves would fight like demons. they were fighting for their homeland. rather than just attack in a conventional way where we would suffer huge casualties, general wayne was a young officer, his name was william henry harrison. remember that name. there is more on him throughout this. >> tecumseh has this unbelievable idea. he is going to unite indians in a grand confederation. he's going to recruit indian nations from the great lakes to the gulf, along the mississippi, throughout. now, good luck that. american indian nations have different languages, hundreds and hundreds of years of bad blood, vastly different cultures. how is he going to do this? guess what? he's succeeding in doing this through his charisma, through his vision. and tecumseh is amassing, the battle of fallen timbers was in present-day ohio, now he's in indiana. back then that whole area was called indian territory, thus the name indiana. men, women and children, warriors, they have cattle, dogs, crop, storehouses. he's getting ready for a huge war against the white man. now, around the same time that this is happening throughout the latter 1800, our government assigns the governor of indiana, a guy named william henry harrison, to deal with tecumseh the way that he helped deal with chief little turtle. so harrison has an idea, i think it's an idea george w. bush and dick cheney had, preemptive war. he's going to hit tecumseh before tecumseh can hit the whites. so he ahases a large army -- amasses a large army, and he marches for tecumseh's headquarters which was in a town called prof stetstown -- prophetstown. right around the time that tecumseh's ready to launch his battle, he says i need to recruit, one more, another group of ferocious warriors, the red sticks, which were in present day alabama, part of the crete nation. they were ferocious. so tecumseh is going to go and get the red sticks and bring them back and start the war. around the time he does that, william henry harrison marches his army to prophetstown. and he camps just outside of prophetstown at a creek called tip a canoe. [laughter] and tyler too. more on that in a moment. now, when te tecumseh leaves, he left prophetstown in the charge of his young orer brother, the prophet. he's kind of the holy man, the shaman, the mystical leader for the confederation. now, i'm sure tecumseh said to the rough fete what you and i -- prophet what you and i said to our kids the first time we left them home without a babysitter, don't do anything dumb. [laughter] now, the prophet was a ne'er-do-well, basically, a snake oil salesman. he had no status in his village, in his tribe until one day he has a massive seizure. and i'm not sure, and i mean this representfully, if it's epilepsy or good acting. he comes to, and he announces he's returned to life, and he spoke to the great chief in the sky. and now he's filled with magical powers. and he had heard from his brother that there was an eclipse about to occur. so tecumseh announces that he will bring the heavens together in an eclipse, and it happens. so he has great magic, great power. this helps to bring more end kwan nation -- indian nations to prof tetestown. so tecum that puts the prophet in charge. i'm sure he said don't do anything dumb until i return. he leaves to get the red sticks. right as he leaves, here comes william henry harrison. and what does tecumseh do? he has a big party. they're drinking which will, smoking spirits, having a massive party. and during the party tecumseh -- i mean, the prophet announces that he has another seizure, and he's talked to the great chief in the sky, and he has additional powers. he's imbued now with the power to make all the warriors invisible. i imagine like this, right? make them invisible and to make them, secondly, impervious to the white man's bullets. in the middle of the night in a drunken, stoned, party stupor, without planning, the prophet charges towards tip a canoe creek and william henry harrison. as they're killing one of sentries, the sentry hangs to get off a shot. william henry harrison's army lines up, and it's like shooting fish in a battle. in a matter of minutes, hour, tecumseh's grand indian federation is eye knewlated -- annihilated, done. the prophet lives through the orr keel. -- ordeal. they now know the prophet's magic is ec weak, so they leaf and go back to their tribal homes. that's the end of the confederation. l tecumseh returns successful. he comes pack and imagine the scene of devastation. the day after william henry harrison defeats in 1811, defeats the prophet at the battle of tip a canoe, his army marches in the next day to prophetstown and burns it down. there is a pile of bodies that were burned, dogs are killed, crops are destroyed. they did everything but salt the earth. imagine the scene of devastation when tecumseh returns. years of hard work. he was about to achieve the unachievable and unite all indians against us. our history was close to being radically different. now, with prophetstown destroyed and tecumseh's warriors gone, tecumseh uses that old notion the enemy of my enemy is my friend, he joins the british in canada against the americans during the war. and this is a huge asset for the british are, because tecumseh is amazing. now, tecumseh and a handful of warriors and a british general we'll talk about soon and a handful of soldiers, basically, beat three massive american armies in 1812. three of the biggest upsets in military history, bar none. that's how good tecumseh is. unfortunately for the american indian, i believe the end of indian self-determination gets another blow in 813, tecumseh is killed. for two decades he had been fighting with william henry harrison. harrison as governor of indiana would invite chiefs, give them alcohol and swindle them out of lands, but not tecumseh. tecumseh says no one indian can give away our land. they're all our lands, we will have war. so harrison and tecumseh have been locking horns for two decades. tecumseh dies in the battle of thames as in the river in london, just across the border in canada. the british with maybe 800 and tecumseh and some warriors are on the run. william henry harrison is pursuing them with an early that with runs 5-6,000. tecumseh falls to the rear of the british army and he burns bridges, cuts down trees, harasses the americans to slow them down, but by the time they reach the town of thames it's apparent that harrison catch the british and annihilate them. the british line up with the canadians and the indians for one last stand. the british either run and flee, or they lay their guns down and surrender, but tecumseh's going to stand his ground. he stands his ground and is killed. for two decades tecumseh had locked horns with harrison, and he had cursed william henry harrison. it's said that tecumseh cursed harrison when he was killed. he said that harrison will die at the height of his power. and every american two decades the time that they fought one another, every two decades thereafter every american leader will die. now, you've all heard of month zuma's revenge, which is pretty bad. you ready for this? william henry harrison gets elected in 1840, our first whig president. e gets elected based on a little ditty, a little song, tip a canoe and tyler too. he was the hero of the tip a canoe battle and tyler is his vice president. now, in 1840 tip a canoe gets elected, and they make harrison -- and i know this is vising, but campaign gurus can make candidates out to be better than they are? [laughter] okay, work with me. they make him out to be half george washington, he was 6-2 plus, right? half andrew jackson. someone who would be trig spirits with one hand -- drinking spirits with one hand and fighting bears with the other. almost like a davy crockett song, right? anyways, the country is duped by this, and they reelect william henry harrison. when harrison shows up for his inaugural, he's a small, frail, older, sick guy. and the country has buyer's remorse. he wants to show everyone he's not too frail and old. he gives one of if not the hongest inaugural address in history, nearly two hours. it took kennedy, lincoln and washington less than 15 minutes. a whopper. but he's going to do his speech without his jacket, his scarf, his hat to show he's not too frail. i'm sure his mother was going my son, the president, he doesn't listen to me, right? oy. right? [laughter] and he gives a speech without his jacket. he catches pneumonia and dies a month later. as tecumseh cursed him. i don't call harrison old tip a canoe, i call him old natural selection. that's not the end of tecumseh's curse. twenty years with later in 1860 we elect lincoln. five years later lincoln is shot and killed at ford's theater, tecumseh's curse. twenty years after lincoln's elected in 1880 we elect garfield. garfield's a professor, like most of them, he can't handle the stress. he's going to a train depot in washington to vacation at the jersey shore with governor christie -- [laughter] snooki and jwoww, and he's shot and killed in 1881. tecumseh's curse. twenty years later in 1900 we elect william mckinley. shortly thereafter, mckinley's in buffalo and is shot and killed at a world's expo kind of a thing. twenty years after that in 1920 we elect warren j. harding. this is -- g. harding, this is a sharp crowd, from ohio. three years later harding travels cross country and dies of a heart attack in san francisco. twenty years after harding in 1940 we elect fdr. april 12, '45, fdr dies in the warm springs, georgia. twenty years later in 1960 we elect john kennedy. that's, '63, right? i saws -- assassinated. twenty years after kennedy, 1980, we elect ronald reagan. he's shot, the bullet longs next to his heart, but he lives, and he breaks tecumseh's curse. [laughter] pretty good, huh? now, i don't believe -- thank you very much. i'm here all week. try the veal, right? [laughter] so i don't believe that's tecumseh's curse. some people that know about a curse and know about history put this together, and it's one of those things that go out on the internet. my guess is tecumseh's curse of harrison kind of went like this, f-you, harrison. [laughter] so the second cause of war was the understood yang question. we wanted -- indian question. we wanted to annihilate the red man. not a reservation system, genocide. and the war was an excuse to do that. the third cause of the war, manifest destiny. empire. with seem like james winchester and is aaron burr, right? the first of two vice presidents to shoot someone, right? and aaron burr and winchester, henry clay, john c. calhoun, all these guys had delusions of grandeur and visions of empire. they saw themselves taking canada, taking mexico, taking whatever they wanted. burr thought he would be 'em record of this great territory. and clay and calhoun were the ringleaders in the year 1810 which was a midterm election year. sometimes in midterm election years like the last one, right, there is a big turnover. i hope this year there's a big turnover, right? both parties, both chambers. in 1810 there was a big turnover. that's the good news. a large percentage of congress was defeated. that's the good nudes. the bad news is they were beaten by these young, rabble-rousing war hawks who wouldn't negotiate, wouldn't compromise, if you could imagine such a thing -- [laughter] and were hell bent on marching to war. henry clay is the ringleader of kentucky, john c. calhoun of south carolina, they were mostly southern war hawks that had come to power. they disrespect their elders, they throw the whole seniority system this a tail spin, and when clay's swan into congress, he's selected as speaker of the house as a freshman. clay has three goals; canada, canada, qanta. they said he sounded like a songbird, canada, canada, canada. clay gives a speech where he says i would seize the entire continent from britain. i wish, quote-unquote, to never see peace until we do. he's hell bent on war. so clay and calhoun and these rabble-rousing, noncompromising hawks rush us to war. they steamroll president james madison who's a reluctant war president and rush us to war. the war vote in the senate passes 19-13. the first vote was tied 16-16. four members absent, one enroute. talk about a close war vote. the same folks that wanted war then turn around and defeat be every measure to fund the war. no new taxes. they fought a war without funding it, if you can imagine such a thing. they defund the navy, they don't provide adequate uniforms, muskets and supplies for our soldiers. many of the americans that die in canada run out of food or ammunition, and they go to war. now, we plan a three-pronged invasion of canada, a western prong, a central prong and an eastern prong. all three smuggles. the canadian -- smuggles. all of canada contains around 4,500 soldiers. what's that, one for every hundred miles or something like that? how do can you defend that massive border and expansive wilderness with 4,500 soldiers? it's impossible to even try. moreover, how do you move soldiers through the woods, across rivers, lakes, through indian territory in the winter? you can't. we're going to annihilate the british and the canadians like that. the western prong will cross from detroit in michigan into canada and will be led by general hull, h-u-l-l, in 1812. the central prong will be between lakes ontario and eri, across the eye crag a -- knew rag rah -- niagara river. an eastern prong will come up from new york and cross the st. louis lawrence led by general dearborn. now, he's the problem. all three of these men were a good decade past their prime, all three of them are cowards, all three of them are inept. we couldn't have picked three worse people to lead them. the three of them don't like or trust one another, the three of them conspire against one another hoping the others fail so they can seize control of everything. so they're at war with one another. consequently, they don't coordinate their their attack. hull marches first from detroit and marches grand early into canada. when he marches into canada, he stops and makes camp, doesn't fire a shot. he spends a long time working on a grand speech or oration. he gets up to a handful of canadians in the frontier and says people of canada, i am here. [laughter] surrender. i mean, it's like bad william shatner on "star trek," right? [laughter] ridiculous. no one does anything. well, in addition to three inept commanders, here's what the british have. they have two weapons, tecumseh and brock. anyone heard of general brock? one of my heroes, one of the great generals from history. brock, like tecumseh, is big and smart and strong and dashing and courageous. these two guys are amazing. and they lead a small group of british and canadians. wrong described his army as retchedly officered, ill equipped, no supplies. he said he was lucky if half of them were not drunk 24/7. he picks those that aren't drunk and a few of tecumseh's warriors and beats all three invading armies. brock and tecumseh get along like peanut butter and jelly. my 10-year-old daughter, isabella, would say they were bffs, west friends forever -- best friends forever. these guys love one another. i love you man, no, no, i love you man. i love you, man, no, you're the best. they even wore one another's clothes, which is bizarre, isn't it? brock takes off his red sash, and tecumseh wears it as kind of a headband, turban. tecumseh wears brock's medallion around his neck. brock, over his read uniform, wears tecumseh's sort of a bone chest plate, and these two guys take it to us. hull marches into canada and does nothing. now, they realize we're so ip especially and communication and transportation so primitive, we probably didn't notify all the fomenters we were at war, so brock rushes around throughout the frontier, and they hit every ever fort. they hit a force at mci gnaw, where's my michiganders? best fudge in the world, right? no doubt about that. and that is in the hinter errlands -- hinterlands. you take the space shuttle to canada and then head south. [laughter] it's way out there. when brock and tecumseh take the fort, the quote is war, what war? we didn't even know we were at war. fort after fort after fort tall to wrong and tecumseh because we're so inept, hull's so inept, he doesn't even notify them. imagine hull day after day in camp when one army after another keep coming back saying we lost our fort to tecumseh. hull bins to panic. begins to panic. then something happens. hull sends out scouts. tecumseh and brock catch the scouts, and this is what they find out. hull had a lifelong phobia, a fear, a reoccurring nightmare, i mean, it's clinical, he was scared to death that he was going to be scalped by indians. so what they do after interrogating the american scouts and reading some of the letters which tecumseh gives to brock, the letters being transported by hull's younger officers, wrong realizes -- brock realizes this, he knows where they are. what they do is they kill a lot of the scouts and then send others back to the camp. imagine a scout coming back and saying our men were killed and scalped by tecumseh. so hull sends out her scouts. what happens to them? killed, scalped and attacked. hull was in a panic. tecumseh is everywhere. he is a ghost. he's a demon. and he's scalp ping everyone. so hull with this massive army without firing a shot, he panics and marches back to detroit. marcheses back to detroit. he gets in the fort and shuts the doors in the fort and hides. as soon as he gets into the fort, they look out in front of the fort, and there's brock and tecumseh. brock knows what's going to happen. psychological warfare. he and the tecumseh and their few men rush to the fort. that night brock has tecumseh light fires in a 360-degree ring around the fort and run around with his few warriors all night screaming like mad men. hull says the whole entire northern hordes of indians are about to attack us. hull thinks there's tens of thousands, there's a handful. in the morning, the white flag is there, and brock and tecumseh are ready to parlay. brock tells hull that if you surrender now, i can guarantee your safety. if not, i cannot constrain tecumseh's appetite. he'll eat you. hull surrenders his army, the fort and everything. this massive army marches out of the fort to brock and tecumseh and a handful of men. now brock has all the weapons and ammo and supplies he needs, but rather than stay and celebrate, brock takes off to make it to the central l prong. these guys rush across the entire expansion from michigan to the st. lawrence. when he gets to the central prong, we're ready to invade canada at lewistown in new york. they're going to cross into queen canston heights on the other side of the niagara river. here's the problem, brock thinks we're going to do this. brock has spies looking at all of our camps, he knows exactly where we're going to cross, so they're ready. they have cannons to hit us. day one for the crossing, early in the morning, one of the young soldiers panics, steals one of the boats and sails away on the river. it was boat with all the oars. [laughter] do you remember blazing saddles, any mel brooks fans? huge mel brooks fan. do you remember when they set up the toll gate in the middle of the desert, was it slim pickens or someone who played the role? they can't get through the toll? i imagine the general said we need a mess of oars. the river's too swift, the river pushes them way down current. as we try to get ashore, out of the woods comes the indians, and they're attacking. day three, we're going to try to cross, the cannons start blowing up our boats. the americans go back to the american side and refuse to cross over the river. we finally, ultimately, find a hero. genuinefield scottment you've all heard that name. 24 years old, 6-4. scott gets 300 men, he crosses, and he takes queenston heights. we're finally going to have a victory. he refuses and his men, they refuse to deal with the general whom they call van bladder, he's such a coward. they take queenston heights. scott tells his man to spike the cannon so it can't be fired. brock sees this happening, of course, brock's in the front. he gets sho shut and killed -- shot and killed. brock die cans in 1812, tecumseh a year later in thames. with that it gives us a shot. now, we take queenston heights, but our men don't mow how to spike the cannon, and they end up knocking us off queenston heights. all three invasions fail. fast forward to 1813. we are desperate for a victory, we've been losing for two years. we have a very bold plan. we are going to hit the capital, present day toronto. back then, we're going to hit them at york. that was the capital. we're going to hit them at york. we finally find a general that can lead men. he was an explorer named zebulon pike who found a mountain in colorado you might have heard of. and pike is a tough guy. he's a natural leader of men. hull has a massive army and we wipe out the british at york. quick defeat. zebulon pike is sitting out in front of the fort interrogating his prisoners saying, look, we don't need the bloodshed to continue, if you surrender now, we can all live, and we won't destroy the city and the fort, and i'll let you go. as he's negotiating, apparently a stray cannonball hits a supply depot inside the fort and blows it up. trees are knocked over in all directions. it's said the fort was lifted off the ground, the walls blown out, a hundred men are blown into the air, and a boulder the side of a piano is spiraling through the air and lands straight on top of zebulon pike's head. it squishes him like a pancake. with zebulon pike dead, what do our men do? we rape, rob, pillage and burn york to the ground. we get a victory, and we soil ourselves. we attack civilians, and we burn it to the ground. the british promise to repay the favor. now it's 1814. i'll hit three battles, and we'll call it a day. 1814. this is the most important year in american history, in my opinion. the british finally finish with napoleon. for two years a couple of canadians, brock and tecumseh, have been beating this pesky mosquito, the americans. now with british, with britain victorious in europe, they sail tens of thousands of men on an armada across the atlantic. they are going to invade the united states, destroy us and recolonize us. what are we going to do? we lose to a handful of canadians, now we have tens of thousands of veterans who beat napoleon. and ironically, the british plan a three-prong invasion. a northern prong coming down there canada at lake champlain in platts burg, new york/vermont. a central prong coming up the chesapeake to hit washington and baltimore and a southern prong at new orleans to go up the mississippi and cut the country in half. and this is august and september of 1814. the northern prong marches with a massive army, maybe the biggest army at the time ever assembled on the continent. they march down. we have a general mccomb inside a fort at plattsburg with 1,500 men. that's it. the british are going to attack us on headache champlain and attack the fort. they decide to hit us on the lake first. why? in part, pride. old ironsides and a couple of 20-something lieutenants are beating the british navy in the war, so the british want to destroy us on champlain. the soldiers are watching from the high ground, our soldiers are watching, and we battle in champlain before they easily overrun our fort. we have a young officer named mcdonough, and here's his navy. he's got two ships, maybe, what, 12, 14 cannons or so? two ships with maybe eight cannons and a handful of gun boats. that's a fishing boat with one cannon strapped to it. that's our navy. but he knows the lake. lake champlain comes down from canada into the u.s. and does a reverse j like a fish hook. and there's high ground where it hooks, right, everyone? and the british armada comes sailing down the lake. here's what healthcare done owg -- mcdonough does. when you turn, you end counter headwinds and a head current. your sails would fall limp. he aligns his ships bow to stern, bow to stern, bow to stern, drops anchor right where the hook occurs covered by the high ground. and it's hard to sail, so he hooks them up with winches. they could winch, fire, win of p, fire, winch, tire. the british come down and as soon as they hit the j, they hit headwinds and head currents, their sails fall limp, and mcdonough opens up. he sinks or destroys every ship in the british navy, and then his men give out a great yell. i'm sure they gave a pinger up to the british too -- finger up to the british too. imagine the british look down as their navy gets wiped out by this ragtag fleet. there's thousands and thousands and thousands outside. what mccomb does is he has 500 men stay in the fort, 500 men go out and burn bridges and knock over trees to funnel the british in the way he wants them to hit the fort, through a swamp. the last 500 men are on the other side of the swamp. the british start the invasion with 3,000 men, a fraction of the army, a 3,000-man wing or front or flank. they come through the swamp, and guess what happens? the woods open up with 500 muskets. we annihilate the british. after watching what happened on the lake, after watching what happened in the swamp, they give up and go back to canada. we're 1-1. second prong, chesapeake. general robert ross, one of the most dashing british officers, lands in the tidewater region with 4,500 men and marches for washington. we have no army. we gather some volunteers, hand them a musket, and they line up. now, the only thing working against ross is it's summer in washington. it is hot and humid. the british are used to london and are wearing wool uniforms, okay? his army's exhausted. he has hem wait before hitting -- them wait before hitting our ragtag volunteers. he launches sockets, not cannons. a rocket is, basically, a fireworks show. it's a lot of noise but doesn't do anything. our men are all up disciplined, untrained brand new volunteers. at sight and sound of the rockets, they turn and they run. the entire army runs. madison and monroe and his cabinet, the president, are behind the army, they almost get killed because they almost get trampled and overrun by the army. it happens on the outskirts of baltimore. we call it the bladensburg races because we ran so fast. robert ross was supposed to explain why his army didn't catch the men. the vanquish were too swift of foot. so he marches into washington, we have no resistance, and he burns washington to the ground. he repays the favor. we lost our white house and our capitol 200 years ago this year. now, while he's burning washington, they march to the white house. back in the white house is dolley madison, the president's wife, with one maid. they send a rider -- madison's worried she's going to be burned, captured, killed. he sends a rider. dolley refuses to leave the white house. she sends him back with a note. the note is i refuse to abandon my post, quote-unquote. don't you love it? she had bigger cajones than the generals. [laughter] she stays there until she was with a spy glass watching the british marching to the white house. so she flees at the last minute. but before getting a young slave and another fella to get all the priceless artifacts out of the white house. you've all seen the great painting in the east room of george washington standing there in black painted by gilbert stewart? they can't get the frame out of the wall, they break it and roll the cap vas. she saves that. the british mock our democracy in that they eat our food, drink our wine in the white house, but before they burn out, they hold a vote. they burn it. all of washington would have been burned except after burning the white house a freakish thunderstorm kicks up and puts out fires. it's so freakish that it unnerves the british. that's how powerful it is. then after the thunderstorm, by the way, you can't write something like in this. i could never even make up. not one, but two tornadoes touch down. some local resident had leaned out the window and fired shots. another local resident yells if general washington was alive. the british begin to think that washington is attacking them. they think it's providence. they're unnerved, they leave washington. finish they march to baltimore. two-pronged attack on baltimore. ross with 4500 men by land, the road to baltimore, admirals coburn and cock rain are going to sail the or armada and hit them from the water. inner harbor, everyone? fort mchenry? stop at the cheesecake factory, visit the science museum, which i love there. anyway, here they come. two-pronged attackment well, there's no way we can withstand this attack, and james madison picks a politician to be in charge of the defense of baltimore who basically tells the citizens when you run away, do it orderly so we don't kill anyone. there's two crusty revolutionary war vets who basically pull an alexander haig. they step up and say i'm in charge now, and they organize baltimore's defense thes. they order everyone to put out every lantern in the city so at night the british can't target the city. they order bucket brigades to put out fires, they hang lanterns behind the city so the british overshoo. they round up every boat, and they sink them at the entrance to the harbor. the british can't sail in. now they have to drop anchor and shoot from afar. after that they gather 3,000 volunteers, pitchforks and old muskets, farmers. now, there's no way they could withstand 4500 regulars under ross, so the crusty old revolutionary commanders say follow me, we're going to take it to them, we're going to attack them. here comes raz on the road to baltimore -- ross on the road to baltimore. he doesn't even have sentries posted. they haven't encountered resistance. all of a sudden the woods on either side open up. these volunteers take it to them. ross had said, quote-unquote, i will sup in baltimore tonight or in hell. i will sup in baltimore tonight or in hell, quote-unquote. be careful what you wish for. [laughter] as ross is working his way down the army, the army starts pouring back, trying to run away, and it's a traffic jam with the rest of the army because our men are fighting so tenaciously. ross gets a report from one of his men in the front that the militia are everywhere. ross says, quote-unquote, i don't care if it rains militia. ross, like brock, rides to the front with his sword to rally his men and is shot and killed. his men are so unnerved, they give up and march away. now, what about the naval hit? all night long the british have to bombard washington -- baltimore. but they have to do it from out at sea. before they do, they capture a fella named dr. beans. he's a scotsman, but he turns and supports us. when he, as a physician when he takes care of a british soldier, officer, he spies and tells us the information. so the british capture him, they're going to have him killed. the problem is dr. beans is friends with president madison. so madison dispatches two men to negotiate the release of dr. beans. one of them is a tall, handsome, womanizing lawyer and budding poet. his name's francis scott key. [laughter] and key goes out to negotiate, and the british won't release beans, but key pulls from his satchel letters. he thought to get letters from the british officers whose lives were saved by bean, so they release beans but not this the next day. all night long beans and key have to stay on the ship ask watch baltimore bombed. so all night long they march back and forth watching the rockets' red glare, watching the bombs bursting in air. their only hope was that in the morning, our flag would still be there. right. [laughter] and our flag was will, and the british give up and sail away. and francis scott key puts pen to paper and writes the poem. and we were so desperate for a victory that newspapers published the poem, and it becomes famous. we decide to make it our national anthem. but we don't have a melody. we don't have very many bachs and mozarts in the country back then, so we borrow a drunk british tavern song. and here's the purpose of the song. when you go to the pub or tavern, you get drunk, and then you try to sing this song with an impossible melody. it goes something like this -- ♪ ♪ it's so hard to sing that not even beyonce can sing it. [laughter] so you get drunk and you try to sing it, and you make a fool of yourself. that's the purpose of the song. we make that our national anthem. now, last battle, we're two for two. now we have the southern at new orleans. 12-14,000 men under general packenham are ready to hit new orleans. problem is we don't have an army south of the chesapeake. throughout the war there was this wild man from tennessee who liked cock tighting, horse racing -- cockfighting, horse racing, his name was andrew jackson. and he wanted to get into the war. but madison and monroe would not let anymore the war. no one liked him, no one trusted jackson for good reason. but he's the only thing standing between the british and washington at new orleansment jackson can round up 2,000 or 3,000 tennessee and kentucky riflemen, so they send jackson to new orleans. the goal is basically twofold, slow the british down long enough for us the to get there, and then they'll kill jackson and be rid of them. jackson arrives in new orleans, and the british are 12-14,000. he puts together the most colorfully ragtag band of soldiers in history. tennessee ask kentucky riflemen, the spanish and french residents of new orleans, he gets them to stop drinking coffee and fight, okay? that's something. [laughter] he gets cajuns, indians, slaves and a band of haitian pilots, and they're going to -- pirates, and they're going to defend new orleans. he doesn't though how to build a fort, but he builds big mud mounds. when the british see it, they think it's a joke. but how effective is a mud mound when you shoot a cannonball into it in a swamp with it raining? it just sucks the cannonball in. the british are ready to disembark. our coastal navy consisted of five one-cannon fishing boat withs under a young lieutenant, jonesment he decides to hit them first. now, of course, he and his men are wiped out, but he unnerves the british. so they decide they're going to disembark at a place that's a landation. they send a few thousand, and then they're going to hit new orleans. jackson hears they're camping there, and he says by thunder the enemy will not sleep on our soil. he gets some men and says follow me. at night they hit them in camp, but a lot of his men are using tomahawks and knives. they're hacking them apart. now, jackson's repelled, but imagine the morning when you see the body parts. do you think the british got a good night's sleep after that? no. so they come and attack us at new orleans. here comes the massive army, and the one thing jackson did was pick good ground. on one side is part of the mississippi river, and on the other side is a forest, and if in front of him is a swamp. imagine a massive army trying to walk through a swamp with a red uniform and a white x? probably a bull's eye on the back with a sign that says kick me taped to them, right? so they come marching through the swamp, and jackson has the cajuns hit them in the swamp. those that go into the woods, the indians hit them in the woods. jackson tells his men put all fire, aim all muskets at anyone wearing gold 'em bodily. there are -- embroidery. there are four generals and eight colonels leading the invasion. all of them are wiped out at the beginning. the british suffer well over 2,000 lost. jackson, 13. it's one of the biggest butt whuppings in history. the british leave, the war's over. the war of 1812 does a few things. the first irony was at battle of new orleans on january 8, 1815, was fought after the peace treaty was signed. christmas eve in gent. we claim it's part of war. british, the french ask the spanish after war, because of of what we did in 1814, basically give up any plans to take us over or attack us. it's the end, tragically, the end of indian self-determination. which means we can move west and the continent's ours, basically. a group of states that were in debt, didn't get along emerge as a nation, proud on the world stage. some people before the war of 181 would write the united states with a small letter u, capital letter s, united being an adjective. after the war many wrote it capital letter u, noun. that capital letter s stays. several future presidents cut their teeth in the war of 1812, and we emerge as a power, and the rest, as they say, is history. thank you very much. [applause] thank you. in the time remaining, i'll take a few questions, and then after c-span cuts, hang around, and i'll continue to answer any questions you have. let's start over here on this side, and then we'll move over that way. i sometimes start on my left. okay? ready? go ahead. and a microphone's coming around. and i'll repeat the question if you can't hear it. and there'll be a test later, okay? [laughter] >> okay. canada. i'm confused about this. canada was part of britain? >> yes. >> all those years? >> yes. >> when was it -- >> yeah, good. canada was part of the british empire. britain had, basically, the continent. britain, france and spain were carving up present day u.s. and canada. britain and france fought a war, we call it the french and indian wars, over in europe it's called the seven years' war, in the 1750s. and the war was over the frontier, over lands. and what happened in a series of british-canadian conflicts is britain gets the upper hand. the deal is the french can have new orleans, they can have quebec with, parts of canada, the british get pretty much everything else. so the british really assert itself and then, ultimately, push the french out. napoleon runs up a massive war debt. france needs to sell louisiana for money. it's not that we got such a great deal, it's possible that napoleon was planning on then coming in and just taking it back by force after he finished with the british. spain and france did a couple of deals back and forth between florida, new orleans, the mississippi valley, the louisiana region. so it was back and forth, back and forth. what this war does is, ironically, it pretty much -- the border between u.s. and canada stays the same after two and a half years of fighting, ironically enough. but all this contributes to the beginning of the end of the french power on the continent. the british would control canada, and the rest for us, of course, is there. let me go on the left so that they can get the mic, and then i'll move over to the right, i promise. anyone else over here in okay, well, by definition then how about over here? okay, i'm sorry. >> if my history is correct, when jackson became president of the united states, he was a member of a different political party. >> be when jackson became president of the united states, he was a member of a different political party. yes. jackson was elected in 1828. what happened in 1824, he ran against a guy named john quincy adams, and it was a showdown. quincy adams, massachusetts, harvard-educated, son of a president, diplomat against an uneducated wild man from the frontier, so it kind of of polarized the country. there was basically one political party from about 1801 until then. for all intents and purposes. the federalists were around, but they were weak. it was the party of jefferson, madison, monoe row, our third, fourth and fifth presidents. everyone was basically an anti-federalist or democratic republican, or some folks republican. what happened in 1824 was jackson beat john quincy adams in the popular vote, but john quincy adams won the electoral college. and what jackson said was a bargain. since we're in all beach county, you know all about electoral college votes. [laughter] jackson comes back four years later and wins but he's so mad at the party that he refuses to be a part of that, and he organizes a new party, the democratic party. >> and i'm told that he ran such a wild presidency and he brought all his son's friends, and they -- [inaudible] >> sure. you're absolutely right. yeah, jackson was a wild man. his supporters were wild men. they sometimes called jackson's tenure coonskin democracy. and on one hand everyone wore one of hose daniel boone, davy crockett raccoon skin caps because it was folks from the frontier, common folks. but what's so exciting about this is the 1828 election marked the biggest turnout, over 800,000 people voted this 1828 over what did in 1824, and we've hardly had any people. so people came out to vote, and they elected one of their own, andrew jackson. so jackson fires, basically, to the victor go the spoils? jackson basically fires everyone in government, even postmasters. and replaces them with all of his was who are from the frontier. -- his buds who are from the frontier. march 4,189, his ininaugural was the wildest in history. all these guys are drinking, shooting guns in the air. jackson had to flee out of the white house at one point for fear of his life. they put a big thing of spirits, a big thing of wooz and a big block of cheese to try to get everyone to leave the white house. they had knocked food over and ground it into the carpet, the whole building smelled. so it was wild. so, yeah, jackson was wild. but what he was was a man of the people, and that is part of our american culture. political culture. so it's sort of a mixed bag. good question. yes, ma'am. >> i have, i'm just bond oring -- [inaudible] but at what point in history did the british fight the french from quebec? >> okay. at what point in history did britain and france tight. written and france were at war for hundreds of years. throughout, throughout the ordeal. remember, each during our own -- the french and indian war was britain and france. it was not only here for seven years, it was in europe, and it was on the seas. and when we were done with that a war, there were still skirmishes and still tit for tat exchanges on the seas. french privateers would sack british merchant ships and so forth. they sacked ours even during our war and in quebec and at the canadian border even during the revolutionary war, the british and french were fighting because france, of course, the french sided with us, the marquee delafayette, ben frankly negotiating -- franklin negotiating the deal. which is why it's always fun today when britain and france are playing soccer, right? or football. who else? okay, let me get -- there's one up here and two in the back. >> jackson get married before he got divorced? >> did jackson get married before he got divorced? [laughter] jackson was married to two women -- no, jackson's wife was married to two men at the same time. jackson's wife was named rachel done illson, and her father was the first white man to really settle tennessee. he leads a group of white settlers there, and rachel's a teenager, 17-ish, so she's kind of the debutante of the area. and she does what a proper girl ought not to do, she runs away and marries a much older man. his name was louis robards. and he turns out to be a ne'er-do-well who's abusive. we know that he was emotionally abusive, i suspect physically, too, although there's no documentation. she does what a proper girl ought not to do for a second time, she leaves him. no one did this back then. she goes back home. in the settlement in tennessee, their sacked and attacked by indians. her father, brothers and many of the men are all killed. so young rachel and her mother, the widow, are alone in indian territory. so they open up their home for borders as way of making hundred and security. and one of the borders is a 6-2, dashing circuit court lawyer, andrew jackson. when jackson's in your house, you don't need a pit bug or a -- pit bull or a home security system. jackson falls in love with rachel, but rachel's married. the problem at the time was women could not divorce. so she has to get -- jackson writes a letter, she asks rowards for the divorce. he agrees to grant the divorce, but he's such a slacker, he doesn't get around to doing it. jackson and rachel get haired and then later find out she's still married. this is when jackson writes a famous letter to robards saying that -- this is not verbatim, he says that i demand you give my wife a twors, otherwise i'm going to come and cut off both your ears with my sword. so robards gives the divorce, then andrew jobbingson and ray -- jackson and rachel marry a second time. it's one of the better marriages in the history of the white house. what rachel does is she really soothes the beast. when rachel's around, jackson's normal. when she's not, look out. what happens for jackson is there was that difficult 1824 election that i mentioned, then there's difficult 1828 election. jackson's supporters call john quincy adams because he took the electoral college, they called him his frawj lens si. but john quincy adams' supporters call jackson the wife thief. they call his wife a bigamist or a whore. so his wife did not want to go to the white house. she's praying and hoping she doesn't go to the white house. didn't i say be careful what you wish for? jackson wins, and right before the inauguration she dies of a heart attack. on christmas eve of 1828 she's buried in the gown she was going to wear to the inaugural. is jackson dose to the white house outraged, angry, and that's part of the reason why he was so jacksonian, because his wife wasn't around. as a nice sidebar, jackson doesn't have children, and they kept saying this was going to be a whore in the white house, because of his wife? his wife's dead, so who's the hostess? jackson picks a woman named peggy o'neill the timberlake eaton who's said to be washington's favorite whore. not george, the city. [laughter] when she marries secretary of war john eaton, the great intellectual, daniel webster, raises a toast. he says here's to secretary eaton, he married his mistress and the mistress of all the rest of us. [laughter] so good stuff. i always say this, are you like me, you love history but you hated your history accuracies? >> yes. >> yeah. what we do is we take -- history is taught without humans in it. it's cannons and castles and crowns and dates. what we need to do is reinsert the humanity back into history, breathe back into it the trials and triumphs and tragedies and love affairs and losses. i always tell my students i don't watch any reality the because i don't need to, i read history. [laughter] anything kim kardashian did, jackson's hostess did ten times over. [laughter] charlie sheen did not party nearly as hard as ben franklin or alexander hamilton, i promise you that. there is one or two in the back, and then i'll end up here. >> tecumseh was a brave indian chief and a leader who united tribes against -- [inaudible] approximately 70 years later -- [inaudible] sitting bull was trying to do a similar thing at the battle of little big horn. >> yes, sitting bull had an indian confederation, had warriors there several nations or tribes that all joined in, yeah, absolutely right. and there have been from chief joseph to chief seattle to sitting bull to geronimo many, many great indigenous leaders. my money's on tecumseh as the greatest. he was just remarkable. brock was incredible and a great judge of men, and brock felt tecumseh was the best. tecumseh was remarkable and a great judge of men, and he felt brock was the best. there is letters from some of the officers that when tecumseh would meet some of the other british officers he would say be gone, go put your petticoat and dress on, you're not a man. when he meets brock he writes, quote-unquote, now here is a man. brock was a men among boys as was tecumseh. so they were both cheerleading one another and were both remarkable. now, yes, when we read back in history, we always need to be careful of the folks who said the fish was this big. [laughter] when i was in high school, i walked 30 miles through the snow, you know, to get to school. [laughter] but there are so many accounts -- william henry harrison who was tecumseh's avowed enemy for years, tecumseh -- william henry harrison says there are none like tecumseh. he says he's one of those men that comes along once in a century that changes his times and creates revolutions. even william henry harrison thought tecumseh was unimaginably imrestive. that's from his -- impressive. that's his avowed enemy. you don't get history saying brock was overrated. i mean, they're all the same. yeah, good. >> i ask a question not associated with the war in 181? >> of course. >> what's the future hold for governor christie? [laughter] >> what's the future hold for governor christie. i need to get the prophet to make that prediction, okay? [laughter] here's, well, he has two scandals, of course, at present. while we're taping this, okay? one is, of course, bridge gait over the george washington bridge and the other one the sandygate, maybe misappropriating money over hurricane sandy. i'm not sure what's going to happen. i don't know what the details are. i wouldn't be surprised if he's in trouble with both, and i won't be at all surprised if he's exonerated from both. there's a lot of wiggle room in these kind of things. here's what i'm interested in terms of his future. if you look at the two scandals, they go right to the heart of his number one strength and his number one weakness. christie's biggest weakness is he's a bully. bridgegate goes right to the heart of that. his number one asset is he did a good job in sandy, he's blunt, he doesn't care about politics, and he gets stuff done. that scandal goes right to the heart of that. so these two issues are very important for him. even if he's found not guilty, so to speak, because they go to the heart of his strength and his weakness, his number one asset and his number one weakness, i think i was very mixed on his press conference. twenty minutes into it i'm thinking this is the best press conference in the history of politics. why? christie called it immediately so the scandal doesn't have legs, he was bold and tough. he fires -- heads roll. he answers any question directly. that's what we want. i'm sitting there thinking teddy roosevelt or truman would have done this, but that's where the analogy ends. an hour later, he's still there saying the same thing. an hour later. it was the longest rest conference ever. what he showed me is he seems to be utterly without discipline, and he probably doesn't listen to anyone. if you want to end a scandal, you don't stand for 108 minutes and repeat the scandal. twenty minutes you take the question, you do it head on, you're frank, heads roll, you fire people and then get off the stage. he needs to develop some self-discipline. i thought it was sort of a psychologically interesting exercise. christie is still, i think, the republicans' best hope as we tape this. i think he's a legitimate candidate. he's a good fundraiser, he's got household recognition, and he's clearly a lot better candidate than rick santorum, the donald erik michele bachmann, governor walker and so forth. so he's a much better candidate. yes. [inaudible conversations] >> [inaudible] have a professor like you give lessons. [applause] >> i don't mind repeating that one. she said everyone said they would enjoy history more if they had a professor like me. i'll give you the $20 after the lecture. that's my mom. [laughter] so, you know, i love history. i grew up not far from gettysburg and valley forge, so i suppose it's genetic, i don't know. .. >> that's a remarkable twist. are you like me, every year i love this story. every year a story comes out that someone went to a yard sale in lincoln, nebraska, and they bought a painting for the friend. when they get on day care the frame out, the painting out and what did they find? a letter from franklin, right? don't you love that? every year this happens. we are still discovering unknown satellite camps from the holocaust. six decades later with a world's greatest scholars studying it. there's still secrets. warren harding's life destroyed a lot of his letters. a year ago we found an unknown -- an unknown letter from mary todd lincoln written a year before her husband's death. i love the letter even though the press tended to say it's not much of a letter. mary todd is writing agency for, she's having a big fancy gala at the white house. she's worried about a babysitter. she's trying to find a babysitter for the youngest. she's trying -- so i'm in the middle of the civil war and the white house, she has to find a babysitter. i love it. here's the person she's trying to get as a babysitter, charles forbes. history still has her secrets. we don't know much about the war of 1812. i put 450 pages down, first draft was probably 650. i'm sure i'm scratching the surface of it. there's so much out there. thanks for the time. one or two more quick ones. [inaudible] >> tecumseh was shawnee but he was doing many other tribes as well. he was raised by a chief from another tribe. his mother leaves him when he's young and moves away with another try. is raised by an older brother. tecumseh is a very rough upbringing. you might say he was swept around as result he picked up language skills from many different engines, all of which i think help her move to the a great prison. without i'll hang hang out after to if you want to pick up a book arguing to talk i will hang out here. thank you, everyone. [applause] >> for more information visit the author's website. >> bringing attention to what women do or how women have contributed always returns to the question of the body. so for one thing, many people object to bringing women's studies or women's history into a middle school, high school classroom. because there's an assumption that women's studies is only about sex, birth control, abortion. and actually it's also about women in politics, women in law, women working on farms, queens, prime ministers. and my job is to break down the fear many people have, what goes on any women's study classroom. >> today, women's history, feminist movements and antifeminist backlash. professor and author bonnie morris will take your questions in depth by for three hours starting at noon eastern. booktv's "in depth" on c-span c-span2. >> booktv is at a book party for peter baker. author of trenton. he mingled with guests and made informal remarks. the party was held at p. j. clarke's sidecar, a restaurant in washington, d.c. >> it's not really a reality show. how are you? >> i had to wait. the press is setting up. >> we got stuck for 25 minutes. wasted moments. is he threw? did he get through? that's good at least. that will open up. >> i haven't seen you for ever. >> how are you? >> good to see you. >> you know the president tried to block your book? >> obama's revenge. i don't if he is against, me, whatever. maybe he is stopping by. that would be enjoyable if he could come by. >> everybody was stuck. there was a whole group of us stuck on the other side of the tree. >> literally. >> two blocks away and i couldn't get here. >> they literally wouldn't let you walk across the street. >> it was all a plot. >> see how partisan this town has gotten? [laughter] dan, how are you? appreciate it. how are you doing? when i go to the bookstore i find your books everywhere. mine nowhere. still a dan balz world. >> i think it's yours now. >> nice to see you. >> i saw you last week or the week before. i saw you well behind me and i wanted to say hi. i was going to new york. it was the early morning train. right? i can't remember. i've taken a few them lately. >> went up to see the blo the mr of new york. >> i said, sure. >> really? >> on the upper west side. let's do that. i'm with you on that. >> i'm going to buy a book. >> i won't stop you. they are in the back, back there. hey, sir, nice to see you again. this is our neighbor. >> nice to see. >> boyden is just above us in the office building. we run into each other all the time in the elevator. >> congratulations. >> thank you very much. thank you very much for coming. phil rocker. how are you? this is boyden gray. don't tell him anything. know, he's a good guy. right back there. not going to stop anybody. can you imagine the nerve? [inaudible] >> i don't think so. this is him going to a fundraiser. a party of a different sort. even they get screwed. they got crossed across the street, right? there was a good story out of utah. must have been fun. good timing. phil went out to take a look at mike lisa state -- mike leaves state. that's a great story. how are you doing? >> i'm doing well. >> boyden is one of us. he writes a column regularly for the "washington times." he's part of the deal whether he likes it or not. >> everybody is in publishing now that, you know. >> that's true. so everything is good? >> everything is good. >> what i have heard is very ambitious hiring and ramping up. that's really good. not too good. you know. that's very healthy. would you like to drink? can i get you a drink? all right. nice to see. thank you so much for coming. >> a pleasure. i'm delighted. is just writing a song for your book, to? >> you know, we talked about that. you can think of some creative songs that bush and cheney. i think discretion is the better part of valor. just a guitar strumming. >> congratulations. >> congratulations to you. how are you getting? >> great. things are going great. [inaudible] >> he's doing a video interview. >> it nearly broke while i was on video. >> what a great endorsement. >> he is really great. i think it's good for him to have a chance to run something like jim was doing. he was so energetic. he's got the right metabolism. you guys will really love him. we are much more for his loss. so nice of you to come, thanks so much. appreciated. the books are in the back. >> are you signing them? >> i would be happy to, absolutely. thank you for coming. really appreciate it. [inaudible] >> well, who isn't here? hey there, how are you? how are you, buddy? thank you. how are you doing? >> pretty good. how are you doing? >> good. you got to the motorcade and all that? my wife got stuck for 25 minutes, unfortunately. >> i thought about that. >> i don't think so, but that's really amazing. [inaudible] >> i was told vice president cheney is reading it, so i think that's a good sign. >> cheney got on and he had the book within. >> i haven't heard back, good or bad, you know. >> by the and denied the description will be shorter and shorter, you know. -- the end of the night. >> i was off for a year and a half. the rest of the time, a lot of mornings and evenings. thank you for coming. hey, how are you? nice to see. thanks for coming. absolutely. fantastic. you are really nice to come. [inaudible] >> are you kidding? absolutely. we had our rehearsal dinner here. >> is that right to? >> yes. >> i hope it's a bestseller. you probably know already. >> it literally went on sale tuesday. this is day three. i don't how it works, but, you know. how do you want me to make it out fred and genny. >> next week i go on the road. [inaudible] >> i'm looking forward to that. it gets people down there. [inaudible] >> i've never been there. i've missed the debate. i've missed the other events there is i'm looking forward to try to find a way to get there. >> if for no other reason i just want to go and visit. i love these libraries. they are also interesting. [inaudible] >> i've been dying to see. pictures make it look very extraordinary and grand. >> its own 200 acres but you can see the ocean. it's a great location. >> how often are you out there? >> i go out about every two months. we have our board meeting. usually during colder times here. >> right. that's very nice, thank you. ishe doing okay? i didn't want to ask. good for her. that's terrific. would love to get out there. so nice of you to come. appreciate it. >> you must know this of course, but i did not know it. adam told me the news. >> i do know about that. spent it affects your family alone, right? >> i was visiting a let go when this got broken because i was doing a video for the book. we are not so happy back year. >> i understand both. >> i'm excited for him to have a chance to run something. [inaudible] >> just so you know, i have this little thing here, so when you -- just so you know. [laughter] the truth is, i think rick was ready to run something. he talked to the post. he now has a chance to run a news organization, and his energy. thanks for coming. i think it's going to be a real exciting thing for him. bad for us. >> here at the bureau and elsewhere, there's so many books, now that on affiliate i can't afford them. >> he just left. he's going off to write about terrorism. >> you are the most gracious on facebook. there was plenty to praise. >> they had a great story yesterday, gordon and bobby worth on street. i don't know if you had a chance to read. terrific story. really interesting, inside the white house how they have managed syria. [inaudible] >> i think that's right. very revealing and very interesting. [inaudible] >> well, like so much journalism, right? >> well -- >> i love the excerpt in the magazine. >> thanks. [inaudible] what did you think? what was that like? >> dealing with him? he is quite a self deceiver. he remains a believer. he is a believer in that he will be vindicated. [inaudible] >> you know, one of the keys is to write your own history, right? after everybody has been writing their own books. >> you are the neutral -- >> the thing i liked about the review was the phrase he used was, at times from sunday, neither excuses or excuses. i like that phrase. >> i was going to say the same thing. >> when i was having books reviewed there, -- [inaudible] >> they are looking for interesting voices these days. he's also been critical. [inaudible] >> how are you? detected you look. did you get the book is? >> not yet. spent i send it to you. >> you did a? >> i didn't. >> they called me yesterday and said i got a package. >> that would be it. say nice things. lied profusely. i wanted to point out the cameras are on. you had absolutely nothing to do with the book. >> right. how glad are you to be done? >> glad. six years really. i'm not trying to compete here. [laughter] >> i remember from where you started. >> i'm going to be doing austin, dallas, houston, the whole circuit. i'm trying to get way to go. -- waco. >> congratulations. i am so excited for you. >> jennifer, this is a trend to. gordon say just when using the bush white house. he was a spokesman among them. -- this is gordon johndroe. >> so nice to see. thank you for coming. thank you for that. i appreciate that. i thought that was great. i really enjoy. i like that phrase. i'm going with it. every time someone says 650 pages -- we will see. will see if anybody buys it. >> it would be like my title, misunderestimated. >> i like that. that was a terrific. i want to get a copy of the print. we usually get it now that i think about it, but i should make sure everybody gets it. that would be great. [inaudible] >> the journal is very kind, very kind but neither the president or the vice president. a number of the people are here. you know, they haven't thrown water in my face. i why said that would be better. it would be controversy. a little controversy. >> you are two popular. >> i don't think that's it. but we will see. mostly they haven't read it yet. not too bad, you know. >> i don't quite know this. >> are you getting out and getting a chance to talk about this? >> doing a bunch of media this week and starting late next week i go on tour in 20 cities. crazy. >> exactly. how are you doing. what are you up to? >> day job is busy and i tried to do a little more extracurricular writing as usual. >> any new books a? >> not doing a book right now. i've been doing some irregular things. >> you had a good post the other day. >> thanks. so i'm trying to stay out there and keep up my brain exercise. then i'll figure out how to reorganize my life again. >> you should do another book. you're so good at it. of those books, but for me, this one the lbj one was fastening. you can connect those two things in such an interesting way. the duality of that narrative, i think i told you but it was a helpful to me. >> i remember we talked about it. >> you are mentioned in your for that, absolutely. >> absolutely. >> you came along at a time i need someone to talk to get it was really great. >> look, i won't monopolize you but anyway, congratulations. when you're done with all this, we've got a lot to catch up on. >> thank you. >> i'll let you mingle. congratulations again. >> i was over in your shop. >> i was driving and i heard it. >> you can tell she reads it. it stained and it's been written in. >> it was a good interview. i'm going to read the hard copy. >> whichever is fine. i just want them to think it works. >> we are excited for you. is susan here, to? >> yeah. >> your little guy is not too little? >> getting bigger and bigger every day. >> so you're saying anonymity of cheney had the book but bush would not sit down to? >> yeah. history can judge them now anyway. he has so checked out and did the same thing with "the new york times." can't do anything about that. i think his life, i'm done, i don't want to play these games anymore. i understand that. i wish -- i went to different events and tried to, you know, and within he said, baker, you stalking me? >> kind of. >> give me the interview? don't think so. remembered and? were going to do a talking for a second. do you mind? [inaudible] >> do you know mark? say hi, mark. did you get your hair trimmed? it looks good, very good. i like it. >> hello? >> start yelling. >> give me one of these. spent i'll use a key. i need something metal. all right, hold on, hold on. >> okay everyone, this is the moment that you've been waiting for. peter baker is going to present his book. he has a few words to say. can you gather around, everyone? and here is susan glasser. >> hello. hello, can you hear me? hello? >> hello. >> hi. i don't think you can hear me through the microphone but hello. thank you so much for coming. please come closer. thank you so much for coming. thank you to my friend, tom. commanding radio voice. i'm susan glasser and i want to welcome everyone here tonight. thank you so much. i'm not going to belabor the point except to say i think everyone here knows my husband and they know that he loves a good book party. [laughter] usually likes to throw parties for other people and to celebrate their accomplishments, so it's incredibly wonderful and special for me to be here and welcome you and celebrate peter in the publication of his book. [applause] >> what was the book called in? >> "days of fire," "days of fire." a few people, and i promise this will be brief, have offered up words of encouragement. in the end i want to thank everybody for coming and to say you will hear lots of things about what a great book this is and what a big accomplishment, and how come as "the wall street journal" said this more, peter baker has managed to write a fair book about the most polarizing presidency since andrew johnson. [applause] >> you know, and i know that this is washington, so working hard and being nice aren't necessarily the qualities that lead to success in this town, but i can say that no one worked as hard as you did on this book. so i am so thrilled to celebrate his success tonight. his friend, mark leibovich, is here for a few anthropological observations about eating. you all be appearing in his next book called this down, this sequel. >> welcome to this weeks edition of logrolling in america. i can certainly second and attest to how hard you worked on this. the two of us suffered together. we used to have breakfast every few weeks at the diner. the bush world and the cheney world are very, very tough places to crack. then when you put them together and you have like this really, really tiny blackbox of relationship, you realize what big of a challenger was anthony of people actively trying to thwart him. it was just such an incredible thing to see this thing realize. and peter is as loyal and as decent and as good a colleague and friend as you could ever imagine. and i am -- someone who's charted some qualities about this town that are not always flattering. i mean, i think peter is essentially the opposite of all this stuff. it sounds like you nailed the book. i will praise a book i haven't read yet, but no, everyone should buy every -- "days of fire." [inaudible] it has an index yes, all of those things. [inaudible] >> at risk of 7a little too sincere, i am so proud of peter baker your and when i saw the book come out, i felt like, i had amicable sense of ownership and pride and i wanted to do well. for everyone should read it, savor it. >> by it. >> here, here. two copies, three copies but anyway, thank you all for coming. [applause] >> i'm david leonhardt, and on behalf of peter's colleagues to say congratulations. the main reason you should read the book and the main acknowledgment of the book is about it's so damn entertaining. the scene of karl rove having to argue against dick cheney's choice as vice president with dick cheney sitting there is worth the price of the whole book. and it just a scene after scene like that. but we on the peter baker would write a fabulously reported, fabulously entertaining book. the great surprise of the book is how incredibly relevant to today it is, how much the world has come around to the world of the bush years. iran, iraq, syria, civil liberties, national security, the economy that is too weak after all these years. and maybe even above all think about the origin of george bush. george bush roasted on one of the most impressive campaigns that we've probably seen in our lifetime trying to overcome a deeply unpopular congressional republican caucus, and defeated out a way to do. it's basically the same challenge the republican party is doing today. the great throw of the book is your living in this very entertaining past while you get to see the future as well. so congratulations to peter, this is in and of what else who worked on it. peter is either than nicest great journalist or the greatest nights of journalists. [applause] >> my name is chris and don peters editor at doubleday. [applause] as an editor i go to lunch a lot and ever since peter delivered the book i've been buzzing about "days of fire." "days of fire," yes. this brilliant book. but when i leave the last copy worst i want to tell people is that it's like watching all seven seasons of west wing. but in bizarro world where everybody is a republican. [laughter] you don't just read "days of fire," you binge read it. so as an editor you also believe in a book like crazy and everything you can to get it ready to launch. then you have to let the market and the reviewers have their turn. and in just a few days, that the book has been on sale, we've had some incredible, incredible reviews. i don't know about peter but david frum roses. peter baker writes with a major imbalance that seems transported backward in time from some more dispassionate future that case of fire is not a dispassionate book. it's mood might rather be described as poignant, sympathetic to its subjects, generous to their accomplishments and extenuating none of their errors. what peter baker has done in "days of fire" is come to a full and fair reckoning with the legacy of the 43rd president. david frum, he really got it. [laughter] but, peter, you got it first so here's to you and your magisterial book. [applause] >> well, thank you all for coming. i can't tell you how wonderful this is to be here. this is a special place, and adam how many people here know this, but 13 years ago susan glasser gave me a great favor of having our reversal in her dinner here before government. -- rehearsal dinner. to me it's a very special night. i'm so thrilled to have her he here. and theo, who missed it, 13 years ago -- [laughter] is here today. it feels like we are often, we are doing, always doing big things. the first book i did was about clinton's impeachment. it was published one week after we got married. the second book susan and i wrote together about putin's russia and is delivered to the publisher the day that theo was born. and this time around we are in the middle in our household of a very exciting project in which to exciting projects, theo started fourth grade, new school and doing fantastic. susan is doing a new magazine. it's coming out september -- for the 14th. make sure you look forward. it's going to be great. [applause] i don't want to talk long. real quickly i do want to thank david who is a fabulous boss and a great friend at the same time. that's two terrific combinations you don't often see. mark leibovich, all of us at the diner, they paid off for you. [laughter] i got a lot out of it, to come hearing about marks great adventures in this town. we can only hope that other books do as well as that one. and kris puopolo, where issue she? my editor, fabulous editor, amazing editor, so important to the product. this would not be the book it is if it were not for her but don't blame her for the things that are wrong. all the things that are right were because of her. i really couldn't be more grateful to you and everybody at doubleday, thank you so much. [applause] >> i could go on a long time. i'm not going to do it, but i do want to thank david frum, if it's appropriate to thank your critic. [laughter] i do think he got what i wanted to do with the book. the lines use, he described the bush years and 23 words, he said to start off with another pearl harbor and ended with another great crash and in between vietnam. that's we get the title "days of fire," from the present use days of fire in the second and i don't address to describe 9/11. all eight years were filled with days of fire that he and the vice president had to confront including their own interesting partnership as it developed in sort of a shakespearean way. i want to thank david. i don't know if jonathan karl is here. really appreciate, thank you so much, good review, very generous. christian carol is also hear a thing. magisterial. but deep -- magisterial is code for long. >> what was the name of the? >> "days of fire." i want to thank the people who are here from the bush-cheney white house, the administration, many of whom were incredible generous to take the time to talk with me, sometimes more than once, sometimes three, four, five times and endless e-mails back and forth. the patients and the willingness to cooperate with a book they had no control over and no, no, knowledge about how it would turn out. they told her story and you could fair and accurate way. i'm not going to mean anybody because they might be exiled from whatever bush-cheney alumni society is but i want to thank you all for doing that. [laughter] i want to thank, i want to thank president bush and vice president cheney for getting us a very interesting administration to write about. [laughter] it is endlessly fascinating. we're going to be writing about it for years to come, and i think that this is one effort among what will be many to define, shape and interpret this history. i'm going to end it at that. thank you so much. i probably have forgotten everyone else i should affect. my host committee, john, mike, everyone else hoosier. anybody else? my parents are here, ted and martha. [applause] they are here. thank you for coming. and without comment the drink and be merry and remember, "days of fire." 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booktv. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> welcome to olympia on booktv. located at the south end of the puget sound, this city is known for its rich maritime history and being the seat of the state government. >> the original residents were the indian population, the tribal nations were here. the first british explorers came here in 1792. the territorial collection gives you a peak into the first things that people in this state, particularly olympia, were pulled off the shelves and reading. they came here because this was one of the first public libraries in washington. this is where people who lived in olympia came to grab a book. >> with the help of our cable partners, for the next and we will explore the history of washington's capital city with local authors beginning with chuck fowler and the role of the puget sound played in washington's development. >> when our nation was founded in 1776, only 16 years later where the first explorers exploring puget sound. so the shipping and the exploration by ships was going on very quickly after we became a nation. of course, even before the original residents with the indian population. the tribal nations were here. the first british explorers came here in 1792. captain george vancouver and peter puget fordo puget sound is named. so it was a very important area for settlement, for trade and for the establishment of ford's for trading by the british and the hudson bay company. in the late 1800s, and mid-1800s, we became the offshoot of a gold rush in california in 1849. many of the activities that happened here and in seattle and in tacoma and the sound were basically spent off from a gold rush of 1849. a lot of the shipping, a lot of the ships again from the atlantic coast to the pacific coast to bring gold miners and the people who are going to find their fortune eventually came north with cargoes from here. then we had another gold rush in alaska in 1897. so another influx of people came to puget sound area, pacific northwest, and help washington state to grow and become the great port, maritime state that it is today for the pacific rim cargo activities and other kinds of maritime promise. i think one of the most interesting things is the transition between the age of sail with the sailing ships, with the age of steam and then diesel power, petroleum powered ships. and that is a very important transition. it happened very rapidly. we had sailing ships for decades, years and years. and then in the late 1800s with the advent of the steamship, that transition became very rapid. once the steam engines became more powerful and smaller, it was a major trend that happened very, very rapidly. in fact, one of the first steamships to come to the puget sound area was the steamship beaver. it was owned by the hudson bay company so it was a british vessel. and interesting facts of that is that the only way to get that ship your was not to use of steam but use its sales. itself here from england around cape horn through the puget sound area. that's about 16,000-mile voyage. but once they got here, the engine was hooked up, the paddle wheels attached to the sides of the vessel, and it then was used to supply the various ports operated by the hudson bay company throughout puget sound. so in 1836 when it started, that was the first steamboat and it caused a revolution. and as i said, the transition to steam became very rapidly after the advent of the beaver. the original ship, the first one, the orbit they came to olympia was probably only 60 feet long. and the ships grew in nature, the big sailing ships were 150 feet long, and then we got into the steamships which became 250 feet long. today, the container ships that come to seattle and tacoma and the other ports in the puget sound area, some are 800, 900 feet long and carry 20,000 containers. so the amount of cargo has changed. the size of the ships has changed, and the maritime economy is a big part of the pacific northwest. the first maritime history of the pacific northwest was written in 1892. and then no further work was done until 1965. so i wanted a book which would be more a brief overview of the history so i wrote a shorter, smaller book, a pictorial history. i thought more people would have access to, more people would read. and, therefore, the important maritime history of the region would be more fully valued and reached many, many more people. >> from booktv's recent trip to libya washington learn about the litigation surrounding the pacific northwest habitat of the marbled murrelet, a waterbird. >> in 19 and it had already been listed as a threatened species in california, oregon and washington. scientists knew that because of its association with the old growth forest in the mature large trees, doug fir, redwood, western red cedar, that association spell trouble for the marbled murrelet because it nests in the force which is very unusual for a seabird. these trees that they nested in were prize in the timber industry because they are very valuable as lumber. and so that controversy, once the nest was discovered in 1974, the first nest, the association was set and then the controversy began to be 10 years after that. marbled murrelet inhabits the range of the pacific ocean the outer aleutian islands in alaska south through british columbia, washington, oregon, down to central california. it is a band about 50 miles wide is were administered is a seabird though so it lives at sea 90% of the time but it's from coast-to-coast essentially. the bird is robin sized and it is a member of a family of birds which include birds like puffins and birds that people might not be familiar with with. the marbled murrelet does not build any. it unique in that it nests in trees at all. so what is in a summit of birds you have birds that come england in the summer to breathe. so they live offshore and then only in the summer months to become to land. they make nests -- the other birds in the family. they make nests on rocky islets just on open clip stops, in burroughs even. but no bird accept the marbled murrelet nested in trees. so what kinds of force entries are they looking for? small web footed deceivers and their heavy bodied and they flap their wings or what were their wings rapidly to keep their body a float in the air, airborne. they need to go from the ocean directly to the nest area nicolini. they can't stop and start and stop answer because it's so much effort to do that. so they need to find somewhere they can land, essentially a high speed kind of still outstanding on a branch that needs to be a wide branch. it needs to be out of reach of creditors. what kinds of trees have these nice white branches out of reach of creditors? these are the mature old growth trees along our coast. you also need a branch where you can lay an egg. the marbled murrelet is the size of a robin but the age is the size of a chicken egg. you need a wide platform. marbled murrelet doesn't have energy to come in and build a nest. some of these nests are 30 miles inland. so they built a nest to be exhausting. so uses what is on these white branches, which is moscow more even needles that fall from the upper branches of the tree. it has a nice wide soft platform out of reach of competitors from the ground and use a little bit of overhead cover. 120, 150 feet up a tree and those are the mature and old growth trees where it can raise its checks. >> with the endangered species act, probably the most notable impact of the scenes of the country is the northern spotted owl that created -- but in addition to that, the lifting of the marbled murrelet which came shortly after the northern spotted owl. that had an impact mostly on federal ground habitat, impact on private and state ownership. federal ownership is responsible for recovery under the endangered species act, and non-federal ownership is responsible for conservation. so maintaining enough habitat so that the species can basically exist at the current level. >> historically, the timber industry in the pacific northwest, especially washington, has been a significant aspect of the economy and support dating back into some of the earlier settlers come into the northwest that used the resource, especially douglas fir, oftentimes used for sport trees and sailing masts for sailing ships back in the late 1800s and early 1900. it's been a long for a long -- it's been around for a long time. it had a fairly significant impact on the local community. washington is the number two producer in the united states for lumber, only behind oregon. so still northwest factor is pretty heavy in production, economic and jobs. the overall impact of both the state and the local communities, if you look at the forestry sector as a whole, not just lumber, it's the whole aspect of forest management, the logging companies, the companies that do planting, pending the trees after we harvest, some recent numbers i looked up, 2% of the wages in the state of washington are paid for out of the forestry sector. when you talk real -- rural communities that goes up 5%. so a fairly significant impact. a lot of our rural communities in the state have been based on timber. so with reductions in federal timber harvest, those type of things have a significant impact on them. >> the court case or from the get-go but the critical one in the last year, 2013, the court cases in washington in fault a 12,000-acre parcel of the department of natural resources were slammed that was up for logging, except for the fact that the department of natural resources has no permanent long-term conservation plan, which is a requirement. so the litigation involved basically curtailing or stopping the logging into the department of natural resources has a long-term conservation plan. that plan is nothing to vote. they been operating under an interim plan since 1997, because they didn't know enough about the marbled murrelet to develop a long-term plan. the long-term plan is now quite overdue, so the decision in this particular case, in king county superior court, was to determine that the department of natural resources had to stop its logging are not proceed with its logging into it has a long-term conservation plan, which is great for the 12,000 acres of forest. elsewhere, the timber industry is persistent in trying to the lift the marbled murrelet which is to remove it from the endangered species list, or remove sections of the population from the list, and also to remove the layer of protection for the bird. and in federal district court in washington, d.c. in april, the decision favored the conservation groups and fish and wildlife service against the timber industry. so the birds critical habitat protections has remained in place and it is still listed all segments of the population in washington, oregon and california remains as a listed species which means they will continue to have the protection that they need. .. this is an issue that is going to in an area that produces the

Transcripts For CSPAN2 Book Discussion On Americas First Crisis 20140209

interdisplin -- interdisciplinary. but the main differences i would make would be to require or recommend courses in the second year, to some degree in the third year such that the schools' curriculum reflects a sense of what all lawyers should know and need to know. i would not depend on the school to fully train lawyers. that's a popular recommendation these days. i think it is -- i think it is not well advised. i don't think it's what law schools can covery well right now. if we refashion law schools to do that, we will be giving an awful lot that is of value. i think it is a great service to the country and to future clients that we aim to agent lawyers and not simply train them. >> what is your solution to too many lawyers? as you said. >> well, quit admitting so many law students. it's an obvious solution taking a long time to get there. they are shrinking. i haven't looked at the numbers. it's over half of law schools took in fewer students than the prior year. and so that will address the problem over time. it may be that some schools will close. no school to date has closed but that might be in the future. but whether or not that is the case, the law schools that remain for the most part, have to start take in fewer students. we can't keep graduating students knowing a healthy percentage are not going to be able to find jobs as lawyers. that's the economic challenge facing law schools is figuring out how to cover the costs with less revenue. >> by fewer students does it mean a core of lawyers? >> i don't think should. as you may know, other reformers have suggested splitting the legal academy in to two discreet kind of law school. no need for a library. no scholarship, et. cetera. that would create a very cleanly -- profession of the lawyers on the one hand and everybody else on the other. i think it would be very unfortunate. it would be sad. there's no need for that. one of the virtues, i think, is a unified profession. all lawyers by virtue of sharing in this common experience of the legal education have an awful lot in common with each other. that makes the legal profession i.t. i think somewhat democratic. i think it contributes those to our democracy. we stro shrink and bring the tuition down. we have to bring the cost down. that will counter the trend toward elite profession and profession too heavily tilted toward the wealthy. can you describe your sub tight? >> the book takes on the three topics and three substantiative chapters. in one chapter, i argue that law schools have failed their students and facilitated the society by not centering on justice. politics, like wise, for various reasons -- law schools and law faculty have neglected to study the what i call the political root of law. we study law as though it just sort of sprang from mushrooms or whatever. law is act as product of politics. and so i think we can study politics by not studying it i think we contribute to the american tendency to denigrate politics. we tend to think, i think we tend teach that law is the domain of the rational and the principle and the thoughtful while politics is domain of the emotional and the sentimental and the mean-spirited, et. cetera. for not paying much attention to the legal profession and not paying much attention to the professional needs of the students the future graduates. on the other hand, the legal academy, i think, not being sufficiently critical of the legal profession. we can't respond to the first problem of inattention by simply servicing the needs in the profession. there should be a distance between the legal profession and the needs and the legal academy and the goals and ideals. >> and this is booktv on c-span2. we've been talking with georgetown law professor robin west. teaching law justice, politics and the demands of professionalism is her book. visit booktv.org to watch any of the programs you see here online. type the author or the book title on the search bar on the upper left-hand side. you can share anything you see on booktv.org easily by clicking share on the upper left sides of the page. the war of 1812. the author details the origin of the war, the principle players, and the battles that marked america's second war for independence inspect is about an hour 15. [applause] >> can you hear me okay? >> thank you. i've had the pleasure of speaking at the library many times over the years for various books of mine. also booktv and c-span here before. also thanks to booktv and c-span for covering this. i've had the pleasure of doing a few dozen programs with booktv c-span or american history tv. i'm a fan -- how many do we have in the audience? >> okay. everyone. me too! i love it. thank you. thank you for coming out. and a beautiful day here in palm beach county. when you hear they're giving a lecture or announce you're giving a talk on the war of 1812 you worry if anyone will show up. [laughter] except those needing to sleep issue right? palm beach county is filled with more historians per capita than any place. thank you i can't believe we have a wonderful and large audience. at the end of the remarks, hopefully you'll learn something. i had punch line has been most americans don't know when the war started. [laughter] no one knows anything about it. hopefully you'll share some of my views that the war of 1812, in my opinion was one of the most disagreeing wars. -- intriguing. in the year 1814 was possibly the most important year in american history. i'm going try to make aningment for that. i'm turn the mic off and happy to stay. all right. the war of 1812. what a bizarre affair. it's a war named for one year fought for two and a half years. we continue call world war ii 1941. [laughter] we don't call the civil war the war of 1861 but the war of 1812. folks that supported it and feel it was a positive thing called it america's second war for independence. i think it was that. the detractors call it an unnecessary war. i think it was utterly completely unnecessary. and thankfully we haven't had an unnecessary war since then; right? [laughter] i call it the unknown war. my favorite president was characteristically blunt of the war l 1812 truman called it the silliest damn war we ever thought. i think it was that too. i think it was that too. it was a war that had we won, canada would be a state. and possibly we would had a huge slave colony in mexico maybe even cuba. had we lost the war of 1812, we would become once again, a colony of britain. but after all that fighting and loss of lives, it was, in the end, a costly and complicated time. it was a war that was fought from the great lakes down to the gulf coast. it was a wide land and worldwide naval and economic campaign. the fascinating, fascinating war. in the end, when the peace treaty was signed, the reasons why we had the war were not even a part of the peace treaty. some. causes of the war were no longer apparent when we sign the declaration to go to war. how did we get in the war of 1812? there are a lot of causes. for brevity i list three. number one, impressment. impressment? good. we used to teach history once a upon a time. what it was the british would simply pull over, stop, an american her -- merchant ship and press our sailors in to service. they could go aboard and take them off and say welcome to his majesty's. why did they do this? a couple reasons. one was this. britain was at war with nap poll began. this was a continental wide war. it was total war. that -- napoleon was hell bent on dmom nateing. -- dominating. the british thought it was an act of war. while france possibly had the strongest army of land, easily britain was the mistress of the seas; right in the british navy was the masters of the oceans. here is one of the ideas that britain had. britain felt that one of the ways it would win the war was to blockade every port in europe. imagine how ambition. and blockade port in the caribbean and north america. therefore they deny the french navy the ability to resupply the army. the ability to move the army men and weapons. the inability to export and therefore raise the money to fund the war and inability to import items resources which they needed to fight the war. it would be equivalent to a strangle hold. they launched a huge blockade. now if so you a massive blockade. you need a lot of ships. britain wanted 1,000 ships in the navy. can you imagine a number? can can data becomes important. iengland is relatively small, crowded resource-poor island compared to canada. can canada's endless forest -- it becomes important and bring along the fight for canada. what they do and close up shop there would be six guy passed out drudge. they load them in wagon. the guys wake out the next day with a cold bucket of salt water in the face and someone say welcome to the navy. prison population were sold. britain didn't have enough sailors. they stopped american ships. new england fishermen, new england sailors were some of the best in the world. americans -- we were angered and upset. so many british sailors would entrepreneur ship and join our navy or merchant fleet or be an american. brutally hardies plin. long tour of duty. short life expectancies not much pay. er work for an american, good pay, short tour of duty, lax condition. take your money and pick up a shovel and know you're an american and you're on. one sitincident happened and we came this close to having the war of 1807. here is what happened. three britain sailors jumped ship. they came to the u.s. and not only did nay jump ship but appears they stole the captain's row boat. the captain wanted the boat and ship back. rumor was they went to work on board the ship the uss chesapeake. the british ship is laying anchor waiting for them to come out of harbor. there's another british warship called hms leopard. prowling the oceans. the leopard. and this warship is waiting for a ship. when the chesapeake comes out of port, it deck is filled with supplies and water and gun port doors are closed. with roll it out and fire it. and headed all the way to the coast to fight the pie rots. we're still fighting pirates years later. the british open fire. when we bring peace. they severely damaged the ship ruined and killed many men on the ship. then they board our ship and take the suspected brits and press them to service. can you imagine when the chesapeake limp back to port damaged. attacked by unprovoked with men taken off the deck of the ship. we wanted war. made a deal if the indians stop attack the sellers on the western frontier we won't most west of the appalachian. we honored that treaty, didn't we, and all the rest. by tacking on the west it would be pit burg, roanoke, and cleveland was the hinterlands. was a the deal. the beginning for of the end for the american indian. jefferson buys indiana for the louisiana purchase which is coble the size of the country. even today a third of the land mass. the late 1790 there's a blood bath on the frontier of white settlers mass occurring men, women, and children. and the american state government rightly concerned about this. so they dispatch a tough revolution their guy. perfect nickname. he goes with vastly superior forces in america. chief little turtle, we believe had about 1,000 warriors which was a huge army at the time. we had maybe 2,650 regulars plus maybe 1,000 volunteers. fighting for their homeland. rather than attack a conventional way we would likely suffer huge casualty. william henry harrison said why don't we charge with everything we have up the gun. hitler would called a blitzkrieg against poll land. everything at once. we do ten and they were tough and undisciplined. the line broke and we destroy them. that's the end of the indian uprising. the lesson is not lost on william henry harrison. it's not lost on some indians including a young future chief. more on him in a moment. after the battle so named because apparently there's a tornado that knocked over the trees. that marges the beginning a few years later he emerging as greatly the american indian leader. i think he's one of the great truly military leaders. he's a big, handsome, brave, smart leader. a natural leader of men. he's going to unit indians in a grand confederation. he recruits from the great lakes to the gulf. along the mississippi for what? good luck with that. american indian nations have different languages. hundreds and hundreds of years of how is he going to do this? succeeding through his charisma and vision. he's amassing the battle of fallen timbers in present day ohio. now he's in indiana. back then that area was called indian territory. getting ready for a huge war. around the same time this is happening, throughout the latter, our government assigns the governor of indiana william henry harrison to deal with them the way he helped deal with chief little turtle. harrison has an idea, i think it is an idea george w. bush had preeveryonive war. he amasses a large army and marches for the cop federation headquarter in a town called profitstown. a couple bizarre things happened. right around the time he's ready to launch his battle he said i need to recruit another group of warriors. the red sticks. which were in present day alabama. part of the creek nation. the red sticks were ferocious. they bring them back and start the war. around the time they does that they march the army. and he camps just outside profitstown after of the creek. when he leaves he left profitstown in the charge of his younger brother, the benefit. the holly man. the shaman. the mystical leader for the confederation. i'm sure he said to prophet the first time we let them home alone without a baby sitter. don't do anything dumb. don't do anything until i get back; right? the prophet was probably a drunk and snake oil salesman. he had no status in his vlgt -- village and tribe until one day he had a massive seizure. i don't know if it was epilepsy or good acting. he announces he's returned to life and spoke to the great chief in the sky. and now he's filled with magical powers. he heard from his brother there was an ellipse about to occur. so he announces that he will bring the heavens together in an ellipse. it happens! so he has great magic. great power inspect helps to bring more india nations to prophettown. he puts him in charge. i'm sure he said don't do anything dumb until i return. he leaves to get the red stick. right as he leaves here comes william harrison. he has a great party. a huge party. drinking alcohol, smoking spirits, having a massive party. the prophet announces he has another seizure and talked to the chief in the sky and has additional powers. he's got the power to make all the warriors invisible. i imagine like this. all right. to make them invisible and. and in the middle of the night, in a drunken, stoned party stupor, without planning, the prophet charges. as they're killing one of the century hay manage to get off the shot. william henry harrison's army line up and it's like shooting fish in a barrel inspect a matter of minutes, an hour the grand indian confederation is destroyed. done. the prophet lives through the ordeal and goes back to prophetstown and any warriors that live through the ordeal know that the prophet's magic is weak. they leave and go back to the triable homes. majt a scene of devastation. the day after he defeats is 11 defeats the prophet at the battle his army chanchs in -- marches in and burn it is to the ground. they did everything but salt the earth years of hard work. about to achieve the unachievable and unit all indians against us. our history was this close to be radically different. .. i believe the end of self-determination gets another blow in 1813 when tecumseh is killed. for two decades he had been fighting with william henry harrison. addison would invite indian chiefs and get them out call and cut a deal and swindle them out of their land that not tecumseh. tecumseh says now no one indian can give away our lands. the great chief gave it to all of his children. we will have war so harrison and tecumseh have been locking horns for two decades. tecumseh dies in the battle of thames as in the river just across the border in canada. the british with maybe 800 tecumseh and some warriors are on the run. william henry harrison is pursuing them with an army that numbers five to 6000. the army is catching the british. tecumseh falls to the rear. by the time they reach the town the town of thames is apparent that harrison will catch the british and annihilate them. the british lineup with the canadians and tecumseh with one last stand in air as an opens up with every thingy he can. the british either run or their general runs and fleas are they lay their guns down and surrender but tecumseh is going to stand his ground. he stands his ground and is killed. for two decades tecumseh had locked horns with harrison and cursed william henry harrison. it's that tecumseh cursed harrison when he was killed. he said harrison will die at the height of his power and every american leader to decades, every two decades thereafter every american leader will die. you have all heard of montezuma's revenge which is pretty bad but tecumseh's curse is even worse. are you ready for this? william henry harrison is elected in 1840 or first -- president. he gets elected based on a little song. tippecanoe and tyler too. he was old tippecanoe and the hero of the battle and tyler was john tyler of virginia the vice president. now in 1840 tippecanoe gets elected and they make tippecanoe they make harrison and i know this is surprising to all is surprising quality to all of you but campaign gurus can make candidates out to be better than they are. work with me, right? they make him out to be half george washington, half andrew jackson, someone who would be drinking spirits with one hand and fighting bears with the other hand. he's almost like a davy crockett sans king of the wild frontier. the country is duped by this and they reelect william henry harrison. when harrison shows up or is not grow he's a small frail older sick guy and the country is in remorse. he has a very cold inaugural day but he wants to show everyone that he's not too frail and old. he gives one of if not the longest address in and not grow history, 8440 words in nearly two hours. kennedy lincoln and washington in 15 minutes. a. but that he's going to do a speech without his jacket and a scarf and hat to show he is not too frail. i'm sure his mother is going my son the president? he doesn't listen to me, right? he gives a speech without his jacket and catches the money and dies a month later. as tecumseh curses him. i call him old natural selection. that is not the end of tecumseh's curse. in 1860 we elect lincoln and five years later lincoln is shot and killed. 20 years after lincoln is elected in 1880 we elect garfield. garfield is a professor who can't handle the stress and he's going to train all to vacation at the jersey shore with governor christie snooki and jwow and he is shot and killed. tecumseh's curse. in 1900 we elect william mckinley. shortly thereafter mckinley is in buffalo and is shot and killed at a world expo kind of thing. 20 years after that a 1920 we elect warren g. harding. this is a sharp crowd. from ohio. three years later he travels across the country and dies of a heart attack in san francisco. 20 years after harding we elect fdr. april 12, 1945 he dies of this april hemorrhage. 20 years later we elect john kennedy dallas 63, assassinated. in 1980 we elect ronald reagan. he is shot and the whole at lodges to his heart that he lives in breaks tecumseh's curse. pretty good,? thank you very much. i'm here all week. [laughter] i don't believe that as tecumseh's curse. some people that know about a curse and history put this together. my guess is tecumseh's curse kind of went like this. fu harrison. that's probably how it went. so the second cause of the war was the indian question. he wanted to annihilate not a reservation system but genocide. the third cause of the war manifest destiny. people like james winchester and harriet were in the first of two vice presidents. aaron burr in winchester henry clay john c. calhoun all these guys had delusions of grandeur. they saw themselves taking canada taking mexico and whatever they wanted. burr that he could be emperor of the great territory and clay and calhoun were the ringleaders in the year 1810 which was a midterm election year and sometimes in midterm election years there is a big turnover. i hope this year there is a big turnover. all parties both chambers. in 1810 there was a big turnover. that's the good news. large percentage of congress was defeated. the bad news is they were beaten by these young rabble rousing war hawks who would negotiate, wouldn't compromise if you can imagine such a thing and were hell-bent on marching to war. henry clay as the ringleader of kentucky and john c. calhoun of south carolina were southern war hawks who come to power. they disrespected revolutionary leaders and elders and they throw the whole seniority system in a tailspin and after he sworn in 1811 is not only sworn in congress but selected as speaker of the house as a freshman. clay has three goals, canada, canada and canada. they said he sounded like a songbird. clay gives a speech where he says i would seize the entire continent from britain. i wish to never see peace until we do. he is hell-bent on war so clay and calhoun and these rabble rousing noncompromising hawks rush us to war. they steamroll president james madison and rush us to war. the row -- war vote passes in the first is tied 16-16. talk about a clorox war. the same folks that wanted for turn around and every measure to fund the war. no new taxes. they fought a war without funding and he can imagine such a thing. they defund the navy and don't provide adequate uniforms and muskets and supplies. any of the americans that die in canada don't have upper clothing food or ammunition and they go to war. now we plan a three-pronged invasion of canada. a western prong a central prong and eastern prong. all three simultaneous. the canadian all of canada contains 4500 soldiers. what is that one for every 100 miles? how do you defend that massive order and expansive wilderness with 4500? the answers it's impossible to even try. moreover how do you move soldiers through the woods across rivers lakes in indian territory? how do you do this? you can't so we are going to annihilate the british and the canadians. the western prong across from detroit and michigan into canada and will be led by general hall in 1812. the central prong will be between lakes ontario and erie across the niagara river 35 as long after visiting niagara falls and crossing into canada. that's a central prong led by general bans a layer. across the same lawrence by general dearborn and here's the problem. all three of these men were a good decade past their prime. all three of them are cowards. all three of them are inept. there could have been three worst people to lead us. the three don't like or trust one another in the three of them conspired against one another hoping the others fail so they can seize control of everything. they are war with one another instead of the british. hall marches first from detroit and marches a grand army into canada. when he marches into canada he stops and makes camp and doesn't fire a shot. he spends a long time working on a grand speech. he gets up to a handful of canadians in the frontier and says people of canada i am here. surrender. it's like a bad william shatner on "star trek". it's written to kill us that no one does anything. in addition to the commanders here said the british have. they have two weapons tecumseh and brock. anyone heard of general brock? one of my heroes, one of the great generals of history. rock like tecumseh is big smart strong -- and courageous. these two guys are amazing. they lead a small group of british invasions. they are equipped, no supplies. he said he was lucky if half of them were not drunk 24/7. he picks those that aren't drunk that can fight in a few of the warriors he beats off with the armies. brock and tecumseh get along like peanut butter and jelly. young kids like college students would call it a romance. have you heard of this? my 10-year-old daughter is to say they were bff's, best friends forever. these guys love one another by the two guys to say i love you man. no, i love you man. you are the best. these two really hit it off. they even wore one another's clothing. which is bizarre, isn't it? rock takes off his red sash and tecumseh were says it had dan turbine and tecumseh wears rocks medallion around his neck. brock over his uniform wears tecumseh's boned chest plate and these two guys here's what they do. paul barges into canada and does nothing. they realize we are so into and communication is a primitive we didn't notify all the forts that we were at war so brock busts around throughout the frontier. they hit a ford n annan. where are my michigan is? are best friends in the world orr annan, no doubt about it and that is in the hinterlands. that is way out. they took a space shuttle to canada and turned right. there is a young lieutenant who has 50 or 60 men and when brocken tecumseh take the ford the quote from the tenant hanks is war, what were? we didn't even know we were at war. ford after ford fall because we are so inept. imagine hall day after day in canada when one army after nother keep coming back saying we lost our 42 tecumseh. we lost our 42 tecumseh. hall sends out scouts. tecumseh and brock catch the scouts and this is what they find out. paul had a lifelong phobia a fear or reoccurring nightmare and it's clinical. he was scared to death he was going to be scouts by indians. so what they do after interrogating him the american scouts and reading some of the letters that tecumseh gives to brock the letters being transported by paul's officers rock realizes this and he knows where they are. what they do is they kill a lot of the scouts and send others down to the camp. imagine a scout coming back saying our men were killed and scouts by tecumseh. hall said that more scouts and what happens to them? they are killed scalped and attacked. tecumseh is everywhere. he is a ghost. he is a demon and scalping everyone. hall with his massive army without firing a shot panics and marches back to detroit. he gets into the doors and as soon as he gets into the ford they look out and there's brocken tecumseh. rob knows what's going to happen, psychological warfare. he and tecumseh and a few men marched to the fort. that night rock has tecumseh lighting fires in the 360-degree ring around the fort and run around like warriors screaming. paul says the whole entire northern indians are about to attack us. paul thinks there are tens of thousands. in the morning the white flag is there and brocken tecumseh are ready. rock tells hall that if you surrender now i can guarantee your safety and if not i can't constrain tecumseh's appetite. paul surrenders his army and the ford and everything. this massive army marches out of the fort to brocken tecumseh and a handful of men. now brock has all the supplies he needs but rather than celebrating brock takes off to make it to the central prong. these guys rush across an entire expansion from michigan to the st. lawrence. when he gets to the central prong they are ready to invade canada. they are going to cross into queens tonight and here's the problem. brock thinks we are going to do this. raucous spies looking at her camps and he knows exact we wear they are going to cross because the signs of the invasion are there. day one early in the morning one of the young soldiers panics. he steals one of the boats and sails away on the river. it was the vote with all the boers. [laughter] remember blazing saddles? do you remember when they set up the toll gate in the middle of the desert? they can't get through the toll so he says someone cope back and get the times. i imagine they said go get a massive wars. the were river pushes them down current and out of the woods come the indians and attack them. we are going to try to cross the cannons on the high grounds. the americans go back to the american side and refuse to cross the river. they finally ultimately find a hero general for linford scott 26 years old 6 feet 4 inches. scott gets 300 men and he crosses. we are finally going to have the victory. he refuses and they refuse the deal with dan bans a layer who they call -- scott tells us men to spite the canon so it can be fired. roxy's is happening happening in russia says men up. of course raucous at the front and he is shot and killed. brock dies in 1812 and tecumseh a year later -- with that it gives us a shot. our men don't nod despite the canon and brock's men fought sowed doggedly. we go back across the river. fast-forward to 1830, we are desperate for a victory. we have a very old plan. we are going to hit the capital present-day toronto. we will hit the mat york. we finally find a general. he was and explore in debbie lon pike that on a mountain in colorado you might have heard of and pike is a tough guy. paul has a massive army and he hit york and they wipe out the british. zebulon pike is sitting outside of the fort interrogating his krisner saying look we don't need the lead ship to continue and if you surrender now we can all live and we won't destroy the city and i will let you go. as he is negotiating apparently a stray cannonball hits a supply depot inside the ford and blows it up. trees are knocked over in the fort was lifted off the ground. 100 men are blown into the air and the older the size of the piano go spiraling through the air as his if launched by catapult and lands on top of zebulon pike's head. zebulon pike dead what do our men to? day rob and pillage and them burned to the ground. we attack civilians and we burn them to the ground. the british promised to repay that favor. 1814 this is the most important year in american history. the british finally finish with napoleon. for two years ago but canadians rock and tecumseh have an beating a pesky mosquito the americans. now with britain victorious in europe they sailed tens of thousands of men across the atlantic. they are going to invade the united states destroy us and recolonize us. what are we going to do? we lose to a handful of canadians and now we have tens of thousands of veterans who beat napoleon. ironic that the british plan an invasion. a northern prong coming from candidate in late champlain a central prong coming from chesapeake into washington and baltimore in the southern prong that will cut the country in half. the northern prong in august of 1814. the northern prong march is a massive army may be the biggest army ever assembled on the continent. we have general mccollum in plattsburgh with 1500 men. the british are going to attack us in lake champlain. they decide to hit us on the lake first. why? part pride. old ironsides in 20-something lieutenants are beating the british so the british want to destroy champlain and the soldiers are watching from the high ground before they easily overrun are for. on lake champlain they have a young officer named mcdonald and he has two ships maybe 12 or 14 cannons, two ships with a cannons and a handful of gunboats. that's a fishing vote with one cannons strapped to it. lake champlain comes from canada into the u.s. and does a reverse and his high ground where it hooks. the british armada comes sailing down the lake and here's what much donna does. when he turned to go home you encounter headwinds and your sales would fall. you would go back. what he does is sea lines his ship bow to stern, bow to stern and drops anchor. it's hard to sail so he hooks them up with the winches and they could winch fire, winch, fire, winch. as soon as they hit the j they hit head currents and their sales fallin and mcdonagh opens up. he sinks and destroys every ship in the british navy and his men let out a great deal. i'm sure they gave a finger up to the british too. imagine the british as their navy gets wiped out by this fleet. now the british are going to hit the ford. 1500 men and thousands outside. what mccollum does is he has 500 men stay in the ford and got them burned bridges and knocked over trees. 500 men on the other side of the swan. the british start the invasion with 3000 men ,-com,-com ma at 3000 man frowned. they come through the swamp and guess what happens? the woods on the other side of the swamp open up with 500 muskets. we annihilate the british. after watching what happened on the wake and the swamp they gave up to go back to canada. we are one for one. the second prong general robert ross one of the most dashing british officers lands with 4500 men and marches for washington. we have no army. together some volunteers hand them a musket in the lineup. the only thing working against ross is his summer in washington the british are used to london and wore uniforms. his armies exhausted. he has been waiting for hitting our ragtag volunteers and launches rockets. a rocket is basically a fireworks show. it's a lot of noise but doesn't do anything. our men are undisciplined volunteers and at the site in some of the rockets they turn and run. the entire army runs. madison and monroe are behind the army. they almost get killed because they almost get trampled a running over one another. it happens on the outskirts of baltimore and washington. we don't call it the battle of bladensburg we call it the bladensburg racist because they ran so fast. robert ross was the post explained why his army didn't catch -- the ran too fast. he marches into washington and we have no resistance and he burns washington to the ground. we lost our white house inner capital 200 years ago this year. now well it's burning the march to the white house and back at the white house's dolley madison the president's wife. they send in a writer and madison is worried she's going to be burned captured or killed. dolly refuses to leave the white house. she sends a note, the notice i refuse to abandon my post quote unquote. don't you love it? she had ickert ghani stand the generals. she stays there until the 11th hour and she says i was with a spyglass watching the british march to the white house as she flees at the last minute. before getting a young slave and another fellow and all the priceless artifacts out of the white house you have seen a great painting in the east room. george washington she says they can't get the frame out. she saves them. the british march into the white house. they mock our democracy and they e her food and drink their wine in the white house but before we burn it -- all of washington would have been burned except afterburning the white house a freakish thunderstorm hits and puts out the fires are you it so freakish that it unnerves the british. then after the thunderstorm and by the way you can't write something like this. i could never make this a. not one but two tornadoes touched down. some local resident would lean out the window and fire shots in another resident yells it general washington was alive in the ridge begin to think that washington is attacking. they leave washington and they marched to baltimore. a two-pronged attack on baltimore. the road to baltimore admirals coburn and and are going to sail the armada and hit them from behind. stop at the cheesecake factory when they are there and visit the science they see him. so here they come. there's no way we can withstand this attack. james madison picks the wrong guy and picks a politician who basically tells the citizens when you run away do it orderly. there are two crusty revolutionary war vets who basically step up and say i'm in charge now. and they organize baltimore's defenses. the order everyone to put out every lantern in the city so at night the british can't target the city. they put out fires and hang lanterns behind the city entries to the british overshoot. they round up every vote and they sink them at the entrance of the harbor. the british can't sail in. now they have to drop anchor and shoot from afar. after that they gather 3000 volunteers. there's no way they could withstand 4500 regulars on the rocks of the crusty revolutionary the man who said follow me we are going to attack them. here comes ross on the road. he doesn't even have -- they haven't encountered any resistance yet. he is marching down on the road and the woods open up. ross had said i will -- in baltimore tonight or in hell. he careful what you wish for. as ross is working his way down the army starts pouring back trying to run away. our men are fighting so tenaciously. ross gets a report from one of his men in the front of the militia are everywhere. ross says i don't care. ross like roth writes to the front with the sword. his manner so unnerves they give up and march away. now what about the naval get it? all night long the british bombard all to more. but they have to do it from out of the city. before they do they capture someone named.two bees of scotsman deterrence and supports us. as a physician hesed lies and tells us the information. the british capture him and are going to have him killed. madison dispatches two men to negotiate and one of them is a tall handsome womanizing lawyer and leading poet named francis scott key. key goes out to negotiate but keep pulls from his satchel letter. he thought to get letters from the british officers so they release bees but not until the next day. all night long they have to stay on the ship and watch also more being bombs all night long fame march watching their rock gets red glare and the bombs bursting in air. the only hope is in the morning the flag would still be there. and a flag was there and the british give up and sail away. francis scott key's pen to paper and write the poem. we were so desperate for a victory that the newspapers published the poem that becomes famous and we decided to make it out national anthem. we don't have very many mozart's death and so we borrow it drunk british tavern song and here's the purpose of the song. when you go to a pub or tavern you get drunk and you try to sing a song with an impossible melody. it goes something like this. it's so hard to sing that not only beyoncé can sing it. [laughter] the last battle we are two for two. now we have new orleans. 12 to 14,000 men under general packing him are ready to hit new orleans. the problem is we don't have an army. throughout the war there is this man from tennessee who likes horse racing gambling in dueling and doing. his name was andrew jackson and he wanted to get into the war but madison and monroe would not let them in. no one trusted him for good reason but he's the only thing standing between the british and washington. he can round up two or 3000 riflemen so they send jackson to new orleans and the goal is twofold. slow the british down long enough for them to get there and then kill jackson and get rid of him. jackson arrives in new orleans in the british puts together the most colorfully red tagged and. tennessee and kentucky rifling of the spanish residence he gets them to stop eating and gets him to drink coffee. he gets indians, slaves, and john lafite -- sean lev foot. he doesn't know how to build a fort by the he builds a big -- but the british think it's a joke. how effective is it when you shoot a cannonball into a swamp? itches in a cannonball. the british or ready to disembark on a coastal navy consisting of five, one cannon fishhooks under a young lieutenant. he decides to hit them first. of course he unnerves the british so they decide they're going to disembark at a place called for layer plantation. they send a few thousand and then they will hit new orleans. jackson hears their camping there and he says by thunder the enemy will not sleep on our soil. he gets the men and says follow me. at night they hit them again. a lot of these men are using tomahawks and nights. jackson has repelled but imagined in the morning when they see the body parts. do you think the british got a good night sleep after that? here comes the massive army and the one thing jackson did was take the good route. on one side is part of the mississippi river and another side is the forest and in front of them with the swamp. imagine a massive army trying to go through a swamp with a red uniform and a white acts. publicly a bulls-eye on the back end a sign that says kick me. so they come marching to the swamp and jackson has the cages in the swamp. those that go into the woods jackson tells his men put all fire and aim all muskets at anywhere -- anyone wearing gold embroidering. therefore jentleson eight colonels and all of them are wiped out. the british suffered well over 2000 losses. jackson, 13. it's one of the biggest in history. the british leave in the war is over. the war of 1812 does a few things. the first irony was the battle of new orleans in january eightr the peace treaty was signed. since we were beaten so badly early on we claim -- here is what it did. the british the french and the spanish because of what we did in 1814 basically give up any plans to take us over. it's the end of indian self-determination which means we can move west basically. a group of states that didn't get along ammar destination proud of the world stage. some people before the war of 1812 united. after the war capital letter nouns. several future presence cut their teeth and the emergence of power the rest as they say is history. thank you very much. [applause] in the time remaining i will take a few questions and after c-span cuts hang around and i will be happy to answer any questions you have. we will will start agree on this site and move over that way. i sometimes start on my left. go ahead. and a microphone is coming around. i will repeat the question if he can't hear it. and there will be a test later. [laughter] >> i am confused about this. [inaudible] >> canada was part of the british empire. written had basically the contract britain france and spain were carving up present-day u.s. and canada. britain and france fought a war we call the french and indian wars and in europe it was called the seven-year war in the 1750s. the war was over the frontier over lands and what happened in the series of british canadian complexes britain gets the upper hand and the deal with the french can have new orleans. it can have québec and parts of canada and the british give pretty much everything else of the british assert itself and ultimately push the french out. napoleon runs of the massive war dead and france needs to sell louisiana for money. it's not that we got such a great deal. it's possible napoleon was planning on then coming in and taking back the force after he finished with the british. spain and france made a couple of deals back and forth between florida new orleans and the mississippi valley so it was back and forth. what this war does ironically is the pretty much a border between u.s. and canada stays the same after two and a half years of fighting ironically enough. all of this contributes to the beginning of the end of the french and the british would control canada. let me go to the left and then i will move over to the right. anyone else over here? by definition then how about over here? >> when jackson became president of the united states he was of a different political party. spewing jackson became president of the message he was a member of the different party. jackson was elected in 1828 and what happened in 1824 he ran against a guy named john quincy adams and it was a showdown. quincy adams harvard educated son of a president diplomat against an uneducated wild man from the frontier so polarize the country. it was basically one political party from 1801 until then. the federalists were around but it was the party of jefferson madison and monroe. john quincy adams and everyone was anti-federalist or democratic republican for some folks republican. after 1824 jackson v. john quincy adams in the popular vote since we are in palm beach county jackson comes back four years later in 1820 and wins. he so mad at the party that he refuses to be a part of that and organizes in 1829 in the democratic party. the he ran for the presidency and. [inaudible] >> you are absolutely right. jackson and his supporters were well meant and they some times called it coonskin democracy. on the one hand everyone wore one of those daniel boone davy crockett coonskin caps. what is so exciting about this is in 1828 election marked the biggest turnout. over 800,000 people voted in 1828. so people came out to vote and the democracy works and they elected one of their own andrew jackson. jackson fires, basically fires everyone. and then replaces them with all of his buddies who were on the frontier. back then it was on march 4 so march 41829 his inaugural was the wildest in history. all these guys are drinking and driving around shooting guns in the air. jackson had to flee out of the white house at one point for fear of his life. they took a big thing of spirits, big thing of ooze and a block of cheese to get everyone to leave the white house. they not the food over and grounded into the carpet in the whole building smell. what he was was a man of the people. that was part of our american culture, political culture so it's sort of a mixed bag. >> i don't think this is related to the war but at what point in history did the british fight the french with québec? >> what part in history did written in france were at war for hundreds of years throughout the ordeal. remember the french and indian wars were not only here for seven years but in europe and when they were done with that war there were still skirmishes and exchanges on the seas. french privateers and british merchant ships and so forth. even during our war and in québec and the canadian border and during the revolutionary war the british and french were fighting. of course the french sided with us and frankly negotiated deal so there was bad blood for a long time which is why it's always fun when the british and the french play soccer. who else? one up here and two in the back. >> to jackson get married before he got divorced? >> to jackson and get divorced before he got married? jackson's wife was named rachel donaldson and her father colonel john donaldson was the first white man to really settle and leads a group of white settlers there. rachel is a teenager so she is the debutante of the area. she does what it proper girl ought not to do, she runs away and dies and much older man against her peers -- parents who wishes. his name was luis robards. he turns out to be a do well. he was abusive. i know he was emotionally abusive and probably physically abusive. she leaves him and no one did this back then. they are attacked by indians and many of the men are killed. young rachel and her mother are alone in indian territory. they open up their home as a way of making money and security and why the borders is a six-foot three-inch -- when jackson is in your house you donated to roll or a home security system. jackson falls in love with rachel but rachel is married. the problem at the time was women could not divorce. only men could divorce. that is part of the tea party's new platform by the way. [laughter] jackson writes a letter and she has to ask for a divorce. will agrees to grant the divorce but he is such a slacker he doesn't get around to doing it. jackson and rachel get married and they later find out that she is still married to robards. this is when jackson writes a famous letter to robards. this is not verbatim. i demand you give my wife a divorce otherwise i will cut off both of your ears with my sword. robards gives the divorce and andrew jackson mary's rachel for second time. what rachel does is sheeves sues the beast. when rachel is around jackson is is -- and what happens is there is the difficult election and the difficulty in the 28 election. jackson supporters called john quincy adams. they didn't call him his excellency. they called him his fraudulent sea. jackson was called the wife thief. and they called his wife a bigamist. his wife did not to go to the white house so she is praying and hoping she doesn't go to the white house. jackson wins before the inauguration but -- and dies. she is buried in the gown that she is going going to or do they not grow. jackson goes to the white house outraged and angry and that is part of the reason he was so jacksonian because his wife is not around. as in my side are jackson doesn't have children and he kept saying they would need a -- at the white house. who is the host is? jackson pics a woman named peggy o'neal timberlake wheaton which is to be jackson's favorite. when she marries secretary of war john eaton the great intellectual daniel webster raises a toast and says here's the secretary who married his mistress. good stuff. i always say this. are you like me? you love history. what we do is we take, history is taught without cannons and castles and crowns. what we have to do is reinsert humanity back into history and the triumphs and tragedies and love affairs. i always tell my students i don't watch reality tv because i don't need to. anything kim kardashian did jackson's host is it 10 times over. [laughter] charlie sheen did not party nearly as hard as ben franklin or alexander hardened. i promise you that. there are two in the back. [inaudible] [inaudible] be he hadn't indian confederation and warriors from several nations were tribes that all joined in. sitting bull to geronimo they have been many great indigenous

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i inc. you are both excellent choices. -- i think you are both excellent choices. a question about did you start the treaty. you said you did. , i looked at the treaty and there were a lot of commitments made at that time in order to get the votes necessary watch it. it was a close call. i remainhe said concerned that maintaining a is in the midst of a difficult financial time. modernization is what we are talking about here that was a commitment made that has not yet .eached its fruition in terms of modernizing. i am concerned about this. about wasconcerned the nuclear weapons. would you have some ported it more insupported it terms of the ratio or the numbers of tax school nuclear weapons russia has as opposed to what we have? the is your feeling about tactical nuclear weapons? as you have address, modernization is important to us. i would hope that we continue modernizations as well as this that supports it. with recent port -- with regard to the tactical nuclear weapons, anye went into and with treaty, it is important that we are able not just to reduce but able to verify the obligations heard that agreement are in fact able to be carried out. we were able to do that from the dozens of warheads. we solves launchers that. i would like to see the world with less tactical nuclear weapons. the same type of rigor has to be in place in order to have an agreement by which we can nuclear weapons. >> would you have supported it more vigorously if they had included the tactical nuclear weapons? the other side of russia was carrying out an appropriate obligation. the warheads are going to be reduced. and we aredown reducing, it would seem to me that the modernization program important as we are going through a reduction. would you agree with that? >> yes. i would agree. >> there has been some discussion about doing a unilateral reduction. outside of the gt? negotiations need to be negotiated. >> i believe that. i would only say for us to be in it would require more testing. with new agree with this? he does all the things i mentioned in my opening statement. do you think the current strategy of diplomatic isolation and economic sanctions would stop someone like kim jong-un from acquiring nuclear weapons capability? our present strategy is berect. i think we have to persistent and consistent with that strategy. i also believe in terms of if confirmed the position that i will take there i will have to do everything i can and build new relations in order to bring other countries to bear as well. more influence we have in the region and internationally, and i will have an opportunity to help with that if confirmed, will be helpful in our strategy as well. i share with you the concern about the uncertainty. >> that is a kinder way of putting it than i would. we are looking at budget cuts. this does not happen in isolation. do you think that make something to beim more likely militarily aggressive? >> it may lead to a greater possibility of miscalculations. >> thank you very much. i've had the privilege of working with general caparrotti for many years. thank you for your service. one of the issues that we face is the modernization of our nuclear deterrent. ofunderstanding is the hope our deterrent missiles are at sea now. is that a fair estimate? that is a fair estimate in terms of warheads. modernizations of our summary summer rains is a key priority for the national defense? theaid the tour, replacement -- senator, the ouracement is critical to nuclear deterrent strategy and capability. have the committed to air launched missiles as well. this would seem to me to be the first priority in terms of modernization. is this consistent with your views and strategies? the flexibility of having a triad is very important to our deterrent strategy. form ise ohio last nearing its end of life, it is very important that we replace it in addition to the calculations you just mentioned. one of the things that will be from theto support department of defense to do that. a -- nos to be commitment to modernization of the whole triad. since most of our eggs are in the summer rains, we have to do that first. is that your view? it is not in my purview as to how they are paid for. it is important that we move forward with that platform. >> we are in the met of a like the 70'sts and 80's. now it is the sea battle. you will be in the midst of that. general scupper on the -- scaparrotti will be in asia. it is strategically toward the asia-pacific area. the battle is comparable in terms of that. them. one of the key factors we do not have to worry about with the land battle was cyber. in with they work developer of this new doctrine, particularly when it comes to cyber? senator, you are asking battle and air sea cyber. i would say this is a concepts. it includes all of our capabilities and effort to include cyber. and guess let me go ahead ask the questions. we have been doing this for about 200 years. this is a brand-new dimension. it seems to me given in the press that given some of our competitors have very asymmetric powers with respect to cyber. air or seaped an battle, we have to make sure we can communicate, that we can control, etc.. key might be the most aspect. i would hope that you and your command would be engaged. jointhave a series of forces. a disciplinary estimate of the value and do intentions going forward? these exercises are large and combined. we do this regularly throughout the year. i think they are essential to the readiness we need to maintain on the peninsula. i think they are essential in terms of the integration where trying to obtain and the forces.ents of the the milestones that are laid out in strategic alliance can be developed through the use of the exercises. those are the times we can bring together all of the services as well as combined services. as has been mentioned, one of actors that influenced this is china. have made some statements or they contributed to them as suggesting to the world but their ultimate glue -- goal is to nuclearization. helpview of how you can facilitate the diplomacy between between the united states? >> china is key. as a part of my present duties, to help with china on economics. if confirmed, i have a relationship now that i have begun to establish with the staff.chief of they know me. in terms of my position if confirmed, i also have a relationship that i have developed with north korea and south korea. i think these are very important to our objective of dude nuclearization. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. want to thank you for your service and the sacrifice of your families. we appreciate it. i want to follow-up on the question that senator i'm half -- and half -- cirencester in -- senator inhoff asked you. he did say he would seek a one third reduction of art of floyd nuclear weapon. it was not clear at all whether that is something she would only except through negotiated exception or whether it would be would -- something he consider it unilaterally. what would your advice be to him on a unilateral reduction? >> thank you for that question. my advice would be that we negotiate a bilateral that also has verifiable components so we can have reduction that would work. >> if you would have proposed a --lateral reduction >> >> yes. >> how important do you think it is before we receive any more reductions that we fulfill the modernization requirements in section 1 -- 1043? well aware.re are wel how important do you believe that we filled the modernization? >> it is very important that we modernize our industrial base in order to maintain sustained weapons that we have. it is so important to have a safe and nuclear deterrent. >> if we are continuing to diminish the resources which is what is happening right now under the new treaty, do you think it is advisable that we further reduce our nuclear deterrent without meeting those responsibilities? i think this is agreed upon and is satisfactory. for the knowledge i have the fy 14 budget it supports the modernization of that industrial base. with sequestration it is a question of how well we will be able to do that with further cut across the board to include this modernization unit. announcese president that he is going to seek a third reduction, it seems that unless we further fulfill our commitments to modernize our deterrent pursuant to the existing treaty obligations then that would not be advisable, particularly if we do not know we have modernized what we have now. in that regard, i want to ask you about the recent missile defense agency test so that the chairman asked you about. this issue needs to be prioritized. isn't it true that the last time this have been tested was 2008? that is my understanding it has gone to a number of tests. it is operational. test we haveflight 2008.s since 2000 -- here we are in 2013. if we are going to have the equipment to the defense that we need to put resources that will further test it. this was cutting funding for this program. , what do youard hope the priority should be in terms of making sure it that our missile defense programs are supported? my priorities would be that we invest in reliability of the of the missiles. and that we do adequate testing to ensure that reliability exists. >> with regard to an east coast missile defense site you said to the chairman that you felt there .ere further threats to iran do you dispute what has been the report from the national air and space intelligence center's from earlier this month that concluded they could test an icbm capable of reaching the united states? >> i am not here to dispute what you just said. >> what further once we need to conduct? it wouldhe agree that be providing additional battle space? >> we have to continue to study how we are going to adjust that. as thentioned earlier, fire are missiles to address this problem that we had the right targeting. with that i also supports that we move forward with the environmental impact agency. allow us an option in the future. >> my time is up. i will follow up. in the written answers, you have talked about additional analysis about the threat. 2015 is when they may have ice -- icbm capability. i am not sure what we're waiting for additional analysis. even going forward, it would take several years for us to stand that type of site up. then they have the missiles. i appreciate it. i will follow-up with you on that. i want to thank you both. >> thank you. good morning. i want to add my voice to the members of the committee. i chaired the subcommittee. i look forward to working with you in that capacity. it is good to see you again. o know we will work together to given the challenges you will ace as the head of the u.s. if i can turn to you initially, i want to pursue the same line of questioning. you think this will allow us to maintain an effective nuclear deterrent and to be able to early -- fully respond to a nuclear attack? as fully stated in this earlier questioning, the new sensetreaty numbers make to me. we ought to march toward that goal. that weentally believe should always look for the right balance in all of our capability. piece.not studied this if confirmed i would be willing to come back to this committee. >> i think you can respond. if reductions were made we would be able to maintain those weapons that were reduced in a status that would allow them to be redeployed. is that correct? it would really depend on any future agreement that we had in terms of what were the basis and components that was relative to what we would retain. prison -- the present agreements do allow that as an option. is that fair to say? that is my understanding. >> it it just is deployed and non-deployed and adjusters launchers. launchers.esses >> talk about the benefits you see them associate with the proposed changes to our nuclear employment strategy? do you think they outweigh the risks? >> i believe the benefits relative to the new treaty provide us the adequate members of nuclear weapons and launchers to address the threat now and into the future. >> there are some who i respect that modern conventional weapons have provided us with capabilities that once would have been divided by nuclear weapons. we simply do not need as many new. i would say that as you look nukes, the combined capability is also important. just the significant quantities we have had. it is pretty interesting and how we have made significant reductions while still retaining quite a few weapons. we haveentally believe to be careful and look at all of our capabilities matter what was , that it is also part of our countries capability and what we can bring to bear. as long as other countries have nuclear weapons we have to have a safe means to address that. >> you are saying the conventional arsenal we had today is advanced and it complements our nuclear weapons capability. is that what you're saying? >> i am saying i do not have a that it equals this capability. we are talking about a significant difference in the capability when we look at a nuclear weapon. turn to the be 61 bomb. do you support that modernization plan? i think the modernization program is very important to our nation. i fully support it. i also believe we can, we will be at risk if we do not support it. through the modernization it also reduces the number station -- the numerous nation of other nuclear weapons we have today and brings it down to one type model series in order to have a safe and secure platform for our use, particularly in terms of the technical nukes associated with the program. >> you paid me the honor of a visit. we talked about this particular plan. we also talked about your willingness to work with senator sessions on the subcommittee to bring down the cost of the program. i want you imply that to make sure that you have a chance to clarify. you will work with us to bring down that price i can do everything possible. is that correct? >> i will work hard to look at costs in every program. >> thank you for that answer. >> let me interrupt you. we only have a minute left. there was a miscommunication here. we are right at the end of the boat. we only have about five minutes to get there -- vote. we are going to have to for 10 minutes or so. we will let them know we are on our way. we have to recess. i am sorry to interrupt you. we are going to hold off on that. he can continue. if other folks come back, do want to finish? the issue of the management i think you are well aware of it. if we have public access to that bandwidth it would be a great economic benefits. do you believe the lower 25 megahertz of that spectrum could be vacated within the currently proposed timeline without julie affecting our military missions? as we go forward, as much as it is also becoming extremely utilized the we had to be very at the cost associated with taking the spectrum away at the area of the military is using. there will be cost associated with migrating those of governments to a different day. in your answeron but i want to continue to work with you on this opportunity and to do it right. thanks again to both of you. i look forward to working with you after you are confirmed. >> thank you. >> senator donley. >> thank you. be with both of you. i want to thank you for your service to the country and your families for everything you have done on behalf of this nation. we are very grateful to all of you. march the 60th anniversary of the korean war. i would like to recognize our service members who currently serve in the republic of korea them for their service. once such korean war veteran inshe was buried arlington cemetery just recently. his body was recovered in 2004 as part of a recovery team. mia in northl korea. what conditions are necessary for resuming recovery operations in north korea? let me say that i fully support efforts to reprieve gh and -- repatriation. it is a service we have as our nation. as part of those duties i will have particular duties regarding the arrangements. i do think in terms of what we should do, to go forward we should ensure that that it is within the priority of our other that weinterests and should assure the security of the individuals who we would put into north korea to retrieve the remains into the operation there. >> thank you. , recentlycil haney they put out a report regarding ballistic missile systems and said china has the most active and diverse listed missile program in the world. unitsdeveloping qualitatively updating systems and developing methods to counter ballistic missile defense. the lastook at that three tests have failed how do we rectify that situation? as we look to the future here it is very important that we are able to continue to work our missile defense solutions across to getrd, in particular our ground-based interceptor solutions that operating with the conclusions we expect here at we have had a numerous variants. it it is operational. it is operational to the extent that it is currently protecting our country. it is important that we get the portion of this also correct. and that we look at the full range of options as we look at addressing the muscle defense threat. >> one of the other concerns i at the easte look coast missile defense system or the suggestion of whether or not we need one, folks have said there is no point in going further with that he cuts we do not have the other system working right. able to dok we are two things at one time? do you see a need for a east coast missile defense system? >> ica need for us to look at other options of how we address this problem. i am fully supportive of moving forward with the environmental impact statement which is fully supported as we go forward while at the same time making writes get our sensing so we can further refine our capability in terms of able to tackle these with our current programs. it is aere kind enough dangerous situation when these are used in equipment that protects our soldiers. thesere a way to use facilities to minimize the risk of receiving counterfeit parts in the military supply chain? it is very important that we continue to work hard as a country and as a military to look and avoid counterfeit parts. this is a very important area as we look at our current posture and also as we look to the future with the number of chips with various capabilities in so much of our military apparatus. ith regard to how we do that, will look at that from the standpoint. i have not been to crane. this is one of the areas of the early months. >> will be honored to have you come. in regards to north korea, what you think their intent is? >> north korea has an aggressive ballistic missile program. they have hundreds of short and media range missiles. prestige for as regimes. they see it as a means of .xtending the security the regime itself sees their ballistic missile system is very important. in recent years the conventional forces have been combining. there are special forces that i think have changed their y toward.- >> thank you. thank you for being here today. i thank you for your service and your families through the years. i can see you should be area proud of the families you have raised. thank you again for taking the time to come and visit me and my office. i thought we had a great discussion. i would like to follow-up on on the issues we touched on in my i asked you about our relationship with russia and your views. we did not have the opportunity to discuss their views on missile defense. have do you think the united states should deal with the russians repeated demands for legal limits? how do you define the term legal limits? i do believe as we have articulated from the defense review and continued in the journey we have continued to all continue to-- articulate how it is a limited defense system that should not be conceived as a threat to russia's deterrent capability. as we continue to work with the russians we will have to continue the dialogue that have been started to continue to make sure their questions are answered but at the same time we have to be mindful that we defend and have adequate capabilities to defend our assets and homeland. i see russia is a country that is doing some investment in their capability. the combination of continuing to i think it'sions important for our future. >> in terms of defining the , that is an area where i would like to look at more closely and come back. >> do you believe it should be our decision as a country and a ouron on where we deploy defense systems and the number that we use in those deployments? it is important that we work analysis and worked with our allies and partners and in terms like russia of how we come with an integral solution. as we do that we really have to prioritize what we want to achieve is part of that calculus. >> do you believe we should support or do you support classified data on our missile defenses with the russians? would you draw the line on how much to share? > .> that is a very good question the business in terms of sharing is one that has to be from aat closely standpoint of how we look at the world to day and in the future. information sharing between two with a variety of subjects that is one that has i could not talk about .hat i would like to have an opportunity to continue that discussion. continuingiate your to do that. it is well-meaning to have a conversation about. you support more testing for missile defense. do you believe our current budget can adequately do that? do you think we need more resources especially given some recent test failures? what would you advise if you are confirmed? when ever we talked about adding more resources it is very important that we at what resources we currently have and what they are doing or as. we have to be careful before we come out and asked for more before doing rigorous reviews. old gamutvers the that you can do without launching in space as you narrow down into the analysis. i know this last test is being under reviewed until confirmed. give youd for me to an answer that would be substantial. i look forward to that if so confirmed. that youd assume believe that we need to have equipment that is going to work and make sure that they can do the job. is that correct? very important for us to be able to achieve for the future. our deployed forces as well as our allies. >> thank you. >> we talked a little bit about the new facility that is being constructed. hopefully it is on schedule and it will continue to move forward at the feet it needs to move forward so we can updates the resources that we have. do you have anything you want to add on that about the value that facility will have? innow you were assigned 2010. you are familiar with the area. i know you are familiar with the planning. what would you add to that and the value that it has for the mission? >> i thank you for that question. the complex but is being built to our nation. .t is important command and control that connects the relative information to our leadership, the decision could not be made in a prompt time. that is such an important part of our capability going forward. i thank congress for their sid for it. >> thank you. .- for their support >> thank you. i hope that it continues to move forward. i believe that senator keane is next. very much for your service to the country and are joining us this morning. i have heard a number of witnesses over the past six or seven month characterize ciber as the most serious immediate face. we the next pearl harbor will probably be ciber. do you think the cyber command should be set of parts and elevated to it on command? -- to its own command? i am a fan of structure that would allow us to win. that would be my first overarching statement. as we look at how we are aligned the work isieve ongoing as it is working in a very synchronized fashion with allocated responsibilities. my first principal would the the first part we have to keep intact is the nsa and cyber command under the same cap we synergyy and that the is so important going into the future. we have to continue and get it right. at a future and grow our cyber capability, there may be a time where cyber command is a separate bat and command and will be appropriate. as the are applying our next dollars in terms of the manpower we need to address this threat and the toolsets we need to address this threat, that is important. as we do step into moving this , there is command also a price to be paid. i am not opposed for the cyber command. has beenrategy deterrent. assumes a level of rationality in one's enemy. what is our strategy for deterrence for madmen with nuclear weapons. people that are not necessarily rational. especially for nonstate actors. what is our overall strategic particular -- thinking about nonstate actor or's who may be able to obtain nuclear weapons? >> that is an area in particular is articulated. part one being that it is important that our efforts in terms of combating weapons of mass destruction continued. we have had the initial operating capability of the headquarters for elimination. the business of having that capability and the ability to countries capability of knowing where the nuclear and to work hard to avoid having these capabilities fall in the wrong hands. is an intelligent function. ?s that what you're saying our defense against nonstate nuclear weapons is knowing who have got them and how to prevent them? this is also in the spirit of reducing the number of weapons that exist in the world. been striving to achieve it. it is not just an intelligence function. it is a function that the u.s. strategic command is heavily involved in. the strategy of deterrence may work with russia. terrorist cell who winks if they die in the holy war they will go straight to heaven. deterrence is not necessarily a viable strategy. what is the strategy? >> the strategy is to work across the apparatus in ensuring that they harbor folks that want to do harm to us and what means. there is some work that occurs ally or militarily. >> and the full preparation of our committee, i want you to know we are preparing you today for korean winters air- conditioning. we want you to be ready for cold weather. >> thank you, sir. >> this past saturday i had an opportunity to visit with a number of korean war veterans. a little statement. korea is often characterized as a forgotten war. in looking at a very rigorous ,ountry the people in the south i cannot think of too many wars that made as much difference as that war did. it should not be forgotten war. a question that i'm sure you're going to have to deal with in the next couple of months, to what extent is the sequester going to affect readiness in korea? affectink it will readiness at some point. they enjoy it very high priority. in terms of funding and resources. just after the forces deployed in harm's way, korea is on that level. we have to be fight in korea tonight. it is that an certain. we have enjoyed that kind of funding. if confirmed, i intend to keep a very close watch on our resources that we have. as we reduceuld be our funding, particularly if we go into full sequestration we know we have seen a reduction in the forces now. would be extended into the next year and become worse over time. the forces in korea depend on the rotation of forces and certainly the forces that would come forward if there is conflict on the peninsula. i think that is the impact as we look to the future. >> i hope you could provide some analysis. it is now looking more and more like a full sequester at 14 is a likelihood if not a certainty. the analysis of what impact would be and how it will be allocated because it is very important for us to know because as we are discussing sequencer that we have a realistic extra of the impact. is that theding sequester will be a much more serious impact than it was in 13 because of the lack of low hanging fruit. it is going to be a higher level of impact. perhaps you could give us some serious analysis of the impact of korea. we need to have that information. we presently already see the 13.ct in fy you know the army has the majority of its brigade at a lower training level and focusing on company level training for those brigade to her either not deployed or those who are about to deploy. those two categories -- you are either not deployed or those who are about to deploy. all other brigades have come to a lower for finches see -- proficiency level. the navy has cut back on ships going to see and the maintenance they are providing. you will see a much deeper cuts as we go eons. compound itself. it takes longer to get up to trained that have not in the fundamentals, particularly the integration of combined arms at a higher level. it takes much longer to train. it is more expensive. we see our readiness coming down. that is of some concern. >> how does that impact of the u.s. forces in korea? >> it is the forces that we may rotate there. they would take longer to be ready for the missions they are going to do. if they had to be deployed in response to provocation, we would probably take some time here in the states to train it to the readiness level we believe they need to be at to do the job before they deploy. it may be delayed as a result. >> think you. i appreciate that and any additional information you could provide as would be helpful. >> thank you. >> senator mccain. >> thank you. you just came from the commander of the commands pacific fleet. how is that combat ship working out? the uss freedom deployed today in the western pacific. it is -- >> right out of singapore. >> it has been involved in a variety of exercises and operations since it has been out there. combat have two other ships, the independence and the ft. worth that are operating out in thediego and working mayan warfare module. >> are you satisfied with this performance. are the cost estimaáes what they should be? please answer the question admiral. >> senator, i can get a status report whenever i want one. i want to know your view as to how the combat ship is working out as far as its ability to defend our interest in the pacific? >> senator currently it's working out very well from the ability to deploy and the ability to do its work. both varieties have move my personal view is that part is also working out well. we have learned some things that have been incorporated from freedom lcs1 to lcs3. those improvements i believe añe right on target. if there's one area that requires more work and that we have been working at the navy to get there is the mission module of the different varieties. the current modules deployed with combat ship number one is working fine. i'm looking forward to -- iá's a little early for me to give you the prognosis on the independence mind warfare mission module sir. >> general, there have been plans to move our troops from south korea to the base further away from seoul. how is that progressing? >> sir presently, those plans are under way. they're being worked with our counterparts as well. primarily right now, we're making plans for the ability to make those moves to -- >> we got cost estimates yet and how who will bear those costs? >> yes, sir. there are cost estimates at this point. it's shared cost with our rock counterparts as well as our own payment. i'm aware of the issues with the cost today. as i said -- >> what is -- roughly what cost are we talking about to complete the contemplated move? >> sir, in terms of the land partnership plan which is the one that we pay probably the most part of it's about $880 million for our portion of that land partnership move. that have to do with forces north of seoul. the young sun relocation plan is paid by the public of korea for the movement of services. >> quote, paying for the move, does that mean paying for all of the installation that is necessary there? >> in those plans, it is the payment for the construction of facilities to support the troops. there's also housing included in this as well for families etcetera. >> you think it's a wise move at this time for the south koreans to reopen that facility manufacturing area north of the d.m.z. >> sir i think if the two countries can come to terms on their agreements and as south korea said, it wouldn't be used as leverage again, that is a platform that can be used to develop communication and reduce the tension between north korea and south korea. >> i thank the witnesses. thank you mr. chairman. >> thank you senator mccain. senator blumenthal. >> thank you mr. chairman and thank you both for your service and extraordinary careers. thank you to the families as well for their contribution and service. let me begin admiral haney by asking but the ohio class ballistic submarines. i know you have called them critical to our national defense. yet as you also know the program has been delayed by at least two years. is that a wise move? >> senator, the delay with the program has encouraged some risks in that's some risk that we're working through. i would say we can now afford to have another delay with this program. >> another delay would be unacceptable. >> that's correct senator. particularly as you look at the aging of the current platform, it's beginning to reach its end of life. 42 years is a long time to be operating a submarine. >> my understanding is that the official explanation has been that the delay will enable more refined development of the weapons platform of the technology and some prospect of cost saving. is that the reasons that you understand the delay has been implemented? >> senator, i think the delay was implemented for some of that but it was also matter of prioritization of resources. >> cost saving. in other words, the unavailability of funds. >> yes, senator. >> in a more perfect world, not a perfect world necessarily but a more ideal world, that program would be implemented without the delay. >> senator, that is correct. i will say that know there's some work that continues to go on in research and development platform. i thi'k in the interim time, good work continues. >> if possible though, we would recalculate and eliminate that delay if possible? >> senator, i think we've already started the delay and you can't make up for what's already lost. we will be -- we're already in that phase. >> there's no question that we need that ohio class ballistic missile submarine and we need to provide sufficient resources without additional delay? >> senator, that's correct. >> general if i could ask a few more questions about the relocation. given the stringency and you heard a number of my colleagues talk about the possibling of the sequester even though many, like myself, believe it will be unwise and really unjustified to apply it as it would be to the defense budget. can you tell me whether canceling the relocation is an option that perhaps we should consider? >> sir, i can't say for sure whether that will be an option we consider. we made part of strategic alliance 2015. with made agreements with our rock allies. those moves are tied to that. from the position i'm in now, i can't really comment whether that's really an option. i would say too, those moves help us our forces better so we can continue on that line. my judgment it will be readiness for the force as well. >> you said it will be good for the -- is it essential for the readiness of the force? >> sure, if confirmed, i will certainly review that and be willing to come back to you. i don't believe that from this position, i have the capability to answer that question fully. but i will be able to once i'm on the ground and i can see the impact of both the moves and also the importance with respect to our bilateral agreements. >> do you have an estimates as to what the cost canceling delaying will be? >> no sir i do not. >> would you be able to provide one to the committee? >> if confirmed i will provide one. >> i appreciate that. i don't have too much doubt you will be confirmed. i expect from you as much the same from others on this committee. i certainly will be supporting you in that vote. what is the over all cost of the project? i've heard the number $10 billion? >> of that project -- >> yes, i'm sorry of the relocation project. >> i heard a lower number than than. i don't know if that's the entire cost of the project. >> finally, we hear a lot about readiness and about the impact of readiness, the impact of sequester on readiness, could you may be give us a little bit more concrete or factual basis for what the impact is. talk about what the effect is on the troops on the ground who will be under your command, the captains and lieutenants, the sergeants and staff sergeants, how their everyday training, life is affected. >> sure if i could, i like to take that as a general question and not specific to armed forces in korea. i done some checking and i haven't checked with those serving today in korea. secondly, they enjoy a very high resource category right now. across the force, the reduction thus far in resources and the impact of sequester has resulted in the reduction of training that's being done. the troops are training everyday but they're training at a much lower level. >> that would mean -- i know i've heard this numerous times which is why i wanted to specify it. does that mean that they're out in the field last. they are sitting in classrooms rather than firing live rounds somewhere. >> they may be in the field. they're likely going to the range less. they're likely qualifying with weapon systems and the vehicle systems they have less. the pilots are likely flying less. you asked about morale. that also impacts morale. our young men and women are proficient and experienced and they know what it takes to be ready for combat across all the services. they've been in a fight for 10 years and when we start to delay ability to reach that kind of proefficiencicy, it affects the morale as well. also their concern about their future in our force. >> thank you. my time is expired. i think this topic is supremely important. i want to thank both of you for your very helpful and insightful answers. thank you very much. >> thank you senator blumenthal. i have one additional question. general scaparrotti, had has to do with the various approaches to reduce the number of sexual assaults and inappropriate sexual conduct. given your experience at west point and as a commander, should we take the chain of command out of that decision to prosecute court-martials? >> senator thank you. i strongly believe we should take the commander out of the process in terms of dealing with disciplinary issues. in the military, the commander is central to all that we do. the commander in fact, is held responsible for his unit. all it does or fails to do. he or she are the most important person establishing the climate within that command or whatever size it is. it's the employment in -- climate. i believe the commanders take this seriously. some of the initiatives that have been presented by a members of this committee, perhaps in legislation that can also help us strengthen our ability to deal with this with our commanders in the chain of command. in the end, i would just say it's a matter of integrity. we entrust them with great amount of responsibility. we entrust them with the lives of men and women. to not trust them does not follow through with what we say and what we do. i say that we hold them accountable. train them properly and give them the tools to do that and maintain integrity of the system. >> any other questions? >> senator, just follow up. i appreciate your answer very much to that question general. i think -- did you happen to see the compromise that the chairman and i and this committee put together that would maintain the integrity of the commander but also give some relief in the event that there's some abuse takes place. did you see that? >> i did senator. >> what do you think about that? >> i agree with that. there are some initiatives here that have been proposed to retain the commander in the process but there are things that we can do in article 60 for instance, which i think yours also contains, that provides less authority but proper over sight. in other words, had this case, they would not retain the capability of changing a charge after a court-martial is found. but that will be left to judicial authorities on appeal. when i think things like that that have been proposed and your bill that is acceptable in the long run will be helpful to this problem. >> thank you mr. chairman. >> senator blumenthal. >> thank you if i may follow up again briefly. in your career, general, have you acted as a convening authority and decided to prosecute cases of sexual assault? >> in my time, i believe i have acted as a convening authority in terms of sexual assault. i know i dealt with this issue as the commander or the commandant at west point. that is the age group that we have the greatest challenge in the military. it happens to be the group that we have at west point at cadets. i became very involved in every aspect of this issue. >> did you take the course in uniform code of military justice? >> yes, sir, i have. the courses we go through isn't part of our career. i personally made a point to go to our legal school. i purposely did that to ensure that my understanding and training was honed. >> using that training, did you decide to prosecute individuals under your command for sexual assault? >> yes, i have sir. >> on how many occasions would you say? >> i couldn't give you the number sir. i know i dealt with cases at west point in particular. i'd have to go back and review. if first corps i probably did just given the number of cases. >> did you ever decide to recommendation to the contrary of judge advocate? >> i never have. i can't remember an occasion i disagreed with judge crockett. >> when you received recommendation to go forward and you did so? >> yes, sir. one of the initiatives that we've talked about within the services, is the use of judge advocates and those who are specialized in particular crimes that the case of sexual assault. i can tell you clearly, i dealt with as a convening authority in cases that had to do with murder. in those cases i sought not only my jags, his opinions but i also asked that he go to the army. we had their specialists in that area provide me advice as well. i think that's something that we can do in this area with those especially trained. >> you like to see prosecutors specially trained in that areas of sexual assault because it is a very challenging and some times difficult one not just to decide but also to actually proceed and prosecute and try and convict, am i correct? >> that is correct. >> would you also like to see those types of training and prosecutors involved in the decision to prosecute? >> i would. as i said, i sought that kind of help when i was convening authority. >> i very much appreciate your answers to my questions. as you may know, there is another point of view on the convening authority issue. i personally, deeply respect solution that the chairman and ranking member have helped to lead. it has been great leadership on this issue and seeking to change. i also think that we need to treat this crime as, in fact, a predatory heinous crime and someone with prosecutorial expertise maybe better position to make the decisions. i really appreciate your answers to my questions. >> thank you sir. >> just to be very clear here. the alternative proposal is to transfer the decision-making to whether it proceed to a trained or experience jag or prosecutor. that's not what you support i gather? >> that's correct sir. senator said assist. senator's word were to assist. i believe the commander should still be in the chain. >> when you say you like to consult with such a trained and experienced jag officer, for that person to be involved in that sense to be consulted, i take it from your testimony in no way diminish your belief that the decision-making needs to remain in the chain of command? >> correct. >> anything else? >> i thank you mr. chairman. >> thank you very much. we're all done. thank you both. thanks to your families. >> thank you. >> the senate is in session today just a short while ago, they voted 64-34 to limit the debate on kent yoshiho hirozawa. the senate continues to debate this week on the transportation spending bill. meanwhile in the house, they are back at noon eastern for general speeches. legislative visits will include their version of the 2014 spending bill for transportation and housing. "washington journal" says the house bill will cut those programs about 9%. the senate version increases them by 12% follow the house here on c-span when the gavel is on noon. the senate is live now on c-span 2. covering this snatch a hearing by the senate hearing and natural resources committee. they will hear from the senate secretary on managing nuclear waste. they'll be talking about alternaáives to the cooling pools that currently holds most of the waste. that will be live this afternoon 2:30 eastern. here on c-span next we're going to take you live to the state department. we're expecting to hear from secretary of state john kerry and also possibly from the negotiators, the palestinian negotiators. as a matter of fact the two met this morning with the the white house with president obama. comments from secretary kerry set to get under way shortly. we will stay here live here on c-span. the secretary announced yesterday that martin, president's clinton's ambassador of israel has been tapped for the u.s. point person for negotiations. staying here live waiting for comments for secretary john kerry. >> this is the state department, secretary john kerry is suppose to come out and speak to reporters and others about the beginning of the negotiation between israel and the palestinians. the two lead negotiators are anne washington, president obama's saying yesterday the most difficult work of these negotiations is at hand i'm hoping both the israelis and palestinian will approach these talks in good standing. that's statement from presideñt obama yesterday. the negotiators met with the the white house with the president this morning. we will have the comments from secretary john kerry when they start live. the house and senate in session today will have house coverage beginning at 35 minutes. here's a look what's ahead this week in the house. >> the budget appropriations reportser for the associated press. the house and senate back to work this week on a government spending bill on transportation and housing program. what can you tell us about the measures being considered? >> the first thing to know, they are very different. this is unusual year in the appropriations process because the house is working from a very much lower figure for the grand total for the bill than the senate is. this is because the house is incorporating across the board cuts with sequestration. they're anticipating tñey continue. whereas the senate is incorporating a deal that will be worked out. this transportation and housing bill is a prime example of the traces that are made when the house is much lower figure. for instance, they really cut community development grants in a very popular places across the country. they cut amtrak subsidies. in the senate, the democrats controls the chamber trying to demonstrate, look our bill will do more to create jobs and it will do more to house people. what's going on -- the mismatch really is just sort of preliminary to show down that's going to happen later on this year. >> how unusual is it that both chambers are considering their individual versions at the ápsq time? >> iñ's very unusual. the senate hasn't considered a stand alone appropriations bill in something like two years. typically, the house is suppose to go first, senate bill picks it up. all of this inside congress stuff. the fact they're doing it at the same time is really no coincidence. >> mentioned a few of them, who are some of the key issues coming up in debate? >> well, i think there's going to be efforts to restore some of the cuts on the house side to things like subsidized housing amtrak and the like. under the rules, you need to find money some place else to replace the cut. the house measure so sort of starkly written something like 20% or so below the level that were passed in march give or take a few percentage points. it's going to be really hard to move much money around and create or fix some of the problems that people who support these programs. >> as you know, congress is set to start their five week summer break at the end of this week. what kind of progress they making on the list of the dozen spending bills that fund the federal government? >> not very much. this will be the fifth one to pass t$e house and if the senate manages to pass, it will be the first. the appro(riations process has been going on but they really is kind of marking time. quite frankly, until they figure out some solutions these bills don't amount to very much. they're going to need a what we call a stopgap measure or continuing resolution in september. that's going to be tricky. i wrote a story last week which suggested if you hear about all of this talk about a possibly government shut down at the end of september, -- õ>> what exactly is the conflic? what the spending levels each chamber using and how far apart are they? >> the senate is using an over all cap. remember we're talking about what is known discretionary spending. this is what passes each year to do day-to-day operating budgets, medicare and social security in a whole different box. they have chosen a spending level of 1.058 trillion i believe. the house is using spending level that's like 91 and $92 billion less. inside that 91 and 92 billion, they need money from the domestic program to help the pentagon out. the domestic program like the transportation bill are vastly different depending on which chamber is introducing it. >> how involved is the obama administration as congress gets closer to the deadline? >> they don't seem to be very involved quite frankly. i think they're anticipating in the fall some kind of -- some sort of catalyst that gets a broader budget negotiation going. now republicans think they need to raise the debt limit, it's going to provide that spark. the president is going around saying, look, two years ago, he was getting ready to run for reelection, he accepted all of the spending cuts as a condition for increasing the borrowing cap. it's a real economic could its could its a -- everybody is kind of hoping that as the fall goes on, they find a way to sort of massage that and get a negotiation going that gets budget agreement some kind of budgets agreement worked out so you can alleviate some of the sequestration cuts and do some real budgeting for some of the agencies. >> reporter andrew taylor of the associated press, we talk for joining us today. >> sure. >> again, the house will be gaveling in about half an hour noon eastern for general speeches. the senate is in session today as well. you can follow the senate on c-span 2 and the house here on c-span. we're live at the state department in washington. waiting to hear from secretary of state john kerry and perhaps the negotiators israeli negotiators. negotiations set to get under way in washington this week. president obama met this morning with the lead negotiators. "new york times" writing this morning that secretary kerry yesterday said in a brief appearance at the state department that his goal is to pursue a reasonable compromise of some of the middle east issues. he also write in making the revival of middle east talks his top priority, mr. kerry is not only challenging the status quo in the region but also taking on the conventional wisdom in much of the american foreign policy establishment. we're expecting to hear from john kerry in just a couple minutes. >> there may be a few more minutes before we hear from secretary of state john kerry. of course the house coming in about 25 minutes noon eastern for general speeches. while we wait for secretary kerry, we will bring you part of this morning's "washington journal" with former chairman of the fdic sheila bare. >> many of you recognize her name and face. now the chair of the systematic risk counsel. welcome to "washington journal." appreciate it. three year anniversary of the dodd-frank reform bill. judge its effectiveness. >> there have been process but it's been disappointing slow. we've had good progress implementing the ban on new taxpayer bailout. it's like a bankruptcy process. we had some very good news a few weeks ago. the bank regulators posed higher gap requirements. which is a key driver of the crisis. the consumer bureau i think it sends tremendous work. that said, lot of key reforms haven't been completed. the volka rule is still out there. that's work in progress. some reforms have been proposed very incremental right direction. maybe a c plus. >> the senate banking committee is holding a hearing today this morning at 10:00 a.m. with mary joe white as well as the chairman of the commodity futures trading commission. what would you ask them? >> well, i guess for mary jo quite, i hve -- quite, i -- white, i have a lot of respect for her. i would ask her friendly questions about how her inability to fund herself having to go through this yearly appropriation process which lead to dysfunctional to run the agency. i would challenge her on the reform. i'd also ask her about market structure issues, high frequency trading, dark pools. some of these new so called trading strategies i think really under mine the public's confidence in the pricing mechanism in our equity market. i those will be my top three for her. for gary, his inability to fund himself. at the end of the year. also ask him what more needs to be done. >> we're going to be covering that hearing here on c-span 3 at 10:00 a.m. this morning for those of you that are interested. you heard sheila bair. she asked questions that could be asked from those two regulators. -process of implementing the dodd-#rank bill. take a look at this. this is from june 2010 to july 2013. what do you make of those numbers? you sat in meetings like that. >> it just shows there are reform groups pushing. shows unevenly matched this debate is. that's one of the reasons we formed the system. we tried to provide some balance as well as the feedback and input. it's a huge problem. it's a spectacle. they need a credible regulatory process. relentless lobbying all rigged and the banks driving the process and helping to write the rules. that undermines long term interest. their industry is all about trust. if people don't trust their regulators, they will not trust them. let's get the rules done. they will tell you, we want the rules finished too. but it's only the rules they like. i really wish the leadership will take it from their hand and the lobby operations here. the people who are trying to stick to the public interest are outmanned with all of these people going to the regulators trying to press them to do the wrong thing. >> sheila bair head of the federal deposit insurance corporation from 2006 to 2011. now the risk of systemic risk counsel. tell me what that is. >> it's a joint project. we focus on systemic issues. so issues we think that need to be addressed that could have system wide impacts. we work on con training large banks that can be highly destabilizing. we focused a loot on -- lot on too big to fail. trying to get the banks higher capital of the risk they will fail. also unsecured debt. we have a website systemic risk council.org it's really a stellar group of people. they're all volunteers. none of them are being paid for this. but they want to do the right thing. they want to provide the appropriate balance. >> all right, we'll go to michael first. first phone call for you. imperial beach, california. independent call, hi michael. caller: good morning. ms.bair, i heard prior to 1999 there was zero dollars invested. i heard there's upwards of $700 trillion of derivatives in the market. can you verify that? >> that's probably right. even if you adjust for these so called -- it's stale really big number. most of that is just financial institutions trading with each other. i think only about 10% of the market is actually a derivative being taken by a nonfinancial commercial entity. there's a lot of risks in that. lot of interconnections, a lot of risks. my view is that one of the reasons we had the crisis, we had losses with underlying mortgages. there were a lot of unaffordal mortgages that had been made. we could have absorbed those losses. it was the magnification of those losses. notwithstañding the progress that's been made. i still think this is a huge source of systemic riái and really need to be a prisp)y focus. >> what's going on? >> it's a huge amount of money. we've had this in the clinton administration, chairman greenspan and secretary rubin pushed legislation through that basically said nobody can regulate this morning. the s.e.c. couldn't regulate it, hands off. really, at that point, it was a very small market. it grew to a monster. there's no insurable interest. if you want to buy credit protection. you go buy the protection, and it's like insurance. if there is a default you will be paid out. but there's no requirement that you own that underlying debt. you can speculate on ibm's debt. more importantly, you can speculate on how mortgages perform without having to own any interest in mortgages or mortgage backed securities. it gave people incentives for the mortgage market to deteriorate. we were in a public dispute when i was pushing for loan modifications getting the loans restructured. some hedge funds came in and opposed us. the more people lost their homes, the more money they would make. it creates upside down incentives. it's like fire and insurance on your house. you go to insurer to get fire insurance and the insurer if you own that house. it's the same problem. i think it's very dangerous and hasn't been dealt with yet. >> and the voleker will do what? >> it really says that to bank and bank holding companies to get profit insurance and get access to the discount window. those government support is there for public services to provide for the real economy. it's cheap government funding and trade to make its own profit. that's really what it's about. it's hard to define what's legitimate market making. buying and selling securities to help a customer who wants to buy and sell certain assets. but the over all principle is a good one. i think it's very necessary especially since after the crisis, the investment banks involved in trading with goldman sachs. >> it hasn't why? >> there's been a tremendous amount of lobbying against the rule and one of the reasons is so complex, there are all of these exceptions in the rule trying to accommodate all of the entry lobbying. >> what role did the fdic play in the recovery from 2008? can you concern the efforts from all government agency it is your final analysis? >> we did some things right and we did some things wrong. i think our response in 2008 was too ad hoc. some were bailed out and some were put into the fdic resolution process. there really was no play back for dealing with these large financial institutionsñ there was play book for insured banks. most of these problems were occurring outside of the insured banks. citigroup was insured bank. even citigroup, lot of activity was occurring outside of the insured bank. there was consistency though. at the end of 2008, we were dealing with very difficult situation. we threw a lot of money at it. people on wall street made a lot of money on the support program. in 2009, and the fdic played a role in the stabilization measures. that take place in 2008. at the same time we were dealing with a lot of small banks. i'm very proud how those were handled. they were smooth and seemless. in 2009, we had a stabled system. i wish we had done more in opposed to accountability on these banks. i think our economy would have been better off if we forced the banks to really make the structural changes and management changes and cleaning up their balance sheets so they'd be in a better and stronger position. we didn't, we left all of those bad assets on their books. now they're finally recovering and hopefully we'll see more growth. >> you write about all of this in your book. " bull by the horns, fighting to save main street from wall street and wall street from itself." it comes out in september for those of you that haven't read it yet. joseph tweets, how bank regulators funding controlled significant and explain why? how it's controlled, is that significant? >> it is important. the bank regulators for instance, the fdic support itself through deposit insurance. the fed can fund its budget so it doesn't accept fees on banks. the eeoc charges examination of fees to fund itself. all of the funding mechanisms have strengths and weaknesses. the regulator control them. at the end of the day if you want strong regulator, they need to have the capacity to fund themselves. what you find with the s.e.c. and are regulators who have to go through the appropriations process. that creates a lot of uncertainty. lot of regulation is building i.t. systems to monitor markets. it makes it very difficult through this yearly cycle. also, lobbyist play games. so they try to put amendment on the appropriations bill saying, the s.e.c. can't fund this rule or that rule or just distract the agency. it really hurts the quality of regulation. i know there are people in congress who are disappointed with some of the mistakes the s.e.c. has made in the past. think think they will be better regulators. if we want them to be better regulators give them some autonomy to assert themselves and discharge their obligation. >> we'll go to keith in new jersey, democratic caller keith go ahead. caller: i have a couple questions. one in particular sense the banks sense too big to fail are bigger are leaning towards trading activity the like goldman sachs moving around. isn't there any emphasis to get these banks to introduce -- >> certainly raising capital will create pressure to downsize. the easiest way for them to raise their capital ratio is to reduce the number of assets to their funding . raising capital will create competitive pressure to downsize and that's a good thing. the resolution planning process. now under dodd-frank these big banks have to file resolution plans with their regulators the fed and fdic. this will require them to simplify their structures . that i think can happen to the regulatory. john mccain introduced a bill to reinstate a new version of glass seeingly. it takes process to make loans. the traditional processes we have for dealing with failed banks, you can deal with that. it's when they get into multiple business lines and it becomes extremely process and very difficult to manage and unwind. >> front page of the companies of the financial times. j.p. morgan chase was expected to announce announcement after charging rigging power in california and the midwest. the fine is $400 million. is that enough? >> we haven't seen the actual settlement yet. it sounds pretty serious in the newspaper certainly. it's astonishing. all of these big banks are into in business. i'm troubled and i hope congress look at the process how they got into this to begin with. it sounds like it was more legal opinions coming out of the fed. i find that amazing. i hope there's a lot more public scrutiny of this. i hope the feds deal with it. congress should look at the process by which banks allowed to get into these activities. >> rules for radicals. ron could be the next chairman. "washington journal" this morning coming out against him. this is what they say over all about the agency. then referst to the j.p. morgan settlement $410 million. is it appropriate? >> yes, manipulation of the energy market, that's what ferc should be doing. at the same time, that doesn't really have expertise in commodities. one question why they let the bank to get into this business to begin with. these banks were manipulating this market. so they need to be held accountable. >> do you know ron benz? >> no i do not. >> a ferc chairman has brought power much like ceos even if other commissioners dissent and the chairman not suppose to carry m r. obama's banner is what the "washington journal" these say about that possible nomination to head up ferc. rob from georgia, republican caller. caller: i remember at the end of 2008 there was a huge financial crisis that appeared to bring about a depression even worldwide. we bailed out a bunch of these financial institutions and ultimately general motors. i'm curious how much of that money came back into the treasury, one, i guess we made some profit on some of it. two, i'm curious about where did it go? did it go to pay back the debt that the country owes or did it go into the general fund and we spend it? guest: well on a cash flow basis, the government did make money. part of that was treasury investments. part of it was fed lending facilities and the fdic guaranteed program. for those programs they went back into the budget the fed and fdic. you can judge as well as i how you think the government spending its money these days. on a cash flow basis, we did make money. we did make a profit on all of those bailout programs. if you look at what's called the subsidy cost, if you look at what the government could have charged based on market conditions at the time, we lost money. that's more the accepting definition of taxpayer cost. you know, i'm glad on a cash flow basis we made money. again these banks were hurting a lot of them. they couldn't access loans and equity investmentser for any crisis so the government stepped in. the benefit of that was quite substantial. i never want it to happen again and i do worry when people say the bailout made money, what's the big deal. of course it's a big deal. on a subsidy basis they did not large institutions they can go out and take risk again and get help from the government. that's a very bad precedent. >> let's go to springfield, massachusetts, independent caller. >> part of our conversation this morning, you can see online at c-span.org. you'll see secretary john kerry at c-span.org. we apologize the house is coming in next where we have to take you to that. this you can follow on c-span.org. we'll show you after the house as well. the house is coming in momentarily for general speechessen and we'll be back later this afternoon 3:00 p.m. eastern to begin debate on the 2014 transportation and housing spending bill and the senate meanwhile is in today. they have voted to move forward on one of the nominees of the national relations labor board. the senate debated on that 2014 transportation bill. we'll take you live to the house floor now for general speeches here on c-span. the speaker pro tempore: the house will be in order. the chair lays before the house a communication from the speaker. the clerk: the speaker's room, washington, d.c., july 30, 2013. i hereby appoint the honorable john culberson to act as speaker pro tempore on this day. signed, john a. boehner, speaker of the house of representatives. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to the order of the house of january 3, 2013, the chair will now recognize members from lists submitted by the majority and minority leaders for morning hour ebate. the chair will alternate recognition between the parties with each party limited to one hour and each member other than the majority and minority leaders and the minority whip limited to five minutes each, but in no event shall debate continue beyond 1:50 p.m. the chair recognizes the gentleman from american samoa, mr. faleomavaega, for five minutes. mr. speaker, a: it's me again. i rise on behalf of our native american communities to speak on a subject of great concern, the use of the term redskins used by the washington redskins franchise. mr. rush limbaugh attempted to rush away years of pain, suffering and humiliation endured by our nation's first inhabitants by questioning their motives and seeking the rid of the nfl of the most racist, disparaging and badly offensive word. as he doesn't know the violent and abusive history behind this racial ep at the time. i'd like to take the opportunity to provide mr. limbaugh and the american people some much clarity on this subject. the outcry of the name of the nfl's football franchise is due in large part of the federal government's protection of trademarks granted to redskins. 1946 requires that the u.s. patent and trademark office deny registration of any such words. the origin of the term redskin, mr. speaker, is commonly attributed to the historical act of not only killing native americans but also cutting off certain body parts and scalping heads of even women and children as evidence in our -- paid by the colonial officials. these scalps, mr. speaker, were described as redskins. i submit, mr. speaker, native americans are human beings. they are not animals. despite this most despicable act of genocide against the native american people, the u.s. patent office in 1967 granted the nfl's washington football franchise a federally registered trademark for the same word. mr. speaker, this should never have happened. native american nations have treaty and trust relations with the federal government and it's clearly recognized by the supreme court and the u.s. constitution. 66 years after the law was established the word redskins continue to enjoy such protections. in fact, the nfl's washington football franchise has six federally registered trademarks with the same word. mr. limbaugh calls them a bunch of p.c. >>. it was a work of a federal agency that ignored the law and the duty owe to shield the native american people from degrading trademark legislation. mr. limbaugh asks, why does the federal government have to be involved? the federal government is part of the problem. after years of pleading with nfl, the d.c. courts, the native american communities left right where they started with a $1.6 billion football franchise freely exploiting the sinful memory of an ethnic cleansing that was forced upon native american people. mr. limbaugh also states, so the redskins may not be a popular name with some people. mr. speaker, i submit this is not a popularity contest. it is not even about sports. this is a moral issue that reaches far back to the time when native americans are not only considered outcasts but colonial ies by the government. the only game of sporting was hunting and killing inindians like animals for money. mr. limbaugh, mr. snyder, to mr. goodell and all nfl club owners, i ask, haven't american indians suffered enough? have me not paid the price placed on their heads, their scalps, their skins? mr. speaker, i think the answer is clear. enough is enough. and i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the chair now recognizes the gentleman from virginia, mr. wolf, for five minutes. mr. wolf: mr. speaker, there are only three more days until the august recess. given that no new public hearings are scheduled on benghazi, it's apparent that e questions i've been asking for the past two weeks and the american people have been asking for more than 10 months will not be answered by the one-year anniversary of the benghazi attack, if ever. after a year of investigation in five different committees, we still do not what happened and no one's been held responsible. the house and the senate have failed. is it any wonder that the american people are losing confidence in their government? this is even more remarkable given that over two months ago senior administration officials admitted to the media that they failed to properly respond to the attack in benghazi. yet to congress never pressed the matter further. in a little article published on friday, may 17, cbs news cheryl ackson reported that, quote, obama administration officials who were in key positions on september 11, 2012, acknowledged that a range of mistakes were made that night of the attacks on the u.s. mission in benghazi, end of quote. s continues, the list include standing down the foreign emergency support team and failing to convene the counterterrorism security group, among others. one of the key revelations from anonymous senior administration officials is the admission it refused to deploy the foreign emergency support team, fest. according to the article, the fest mission is a seasoned team of counterterrorism officials who can respond quickly and effectively to terrorist attacks providing the fastest assistance possible including hostage experience, and the leader said benghazi was precisely the sort of crisis which his team is trained to respond. the article continued, as soon as word of the benghazi attack reached washington, fest members started packing, said the official involved in the response. they were told they were not deploying by patrick kennedy's front office. in hindsight, i probably would have pushed a button, end of quote. it's particularly notable that the administration sources decision not just on the state department leadership but also on the white house, quote, while it was the state department that said to have fest taken off the table, the team is directed by the white house national security council. speaking of the white house role in directing a response, ackison reported that the national security council s. -- to convene the c.s.g. that evening. it is a plan to synchronize agencies playing a part in the global war on terrorism. the body did not convene, given quote. given the number of agencies involved, including the state department, c.i.a., defense department, it's hard to understand while the n.s.c.'s interagency anti-terrorism response group wouldn't be convened. as she noted, because the c.s.g. wasn't assembled, quote, there's evidence of high-level decisionmakers were unavailable all -- known of all available resources. now white house chief of state, n.s.c. spokesman initially told cbs news, quote, i didn't know what fest is. who are the anonymous senior administration officials who admitted their mistakes to cbs? why haven't they testified to congress about these mistakes? why wasn't the fest team deployed immediately? last week general hammond admitted he believed ambassador stevens may have been taken hostage by terrorists given the fest team's hostage and errorism expertise, who made the decision not to deploy them? why didn't they convene the c.s.g. that night to coordinate the response to the attack? and if that group wasn't responsible for a coordination, who was? while the agency was leading the response that night, what agency, was the state department directing the pentagon not to deploy its planes or defense teams while not deploying the fest team? i conclude with an important article, from the moment president obama was briefed on the benghazi attack, the response effort was handled by the most senior national security officials in government. the mistakes these anonymous senior officials admit to mattered. lives were on the line. ultimately lives were lost. the congress must compel these most senior national security officials responsible for the response team that night to testify publicly. we need a bipartisan select committee and if we do not do it, the congress and the house will have failed. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the chair recognizes the gentleman from connecticut, mr. courtney, for five minutes. mr. courtney: thank you, mr. speaker. mr. speaker, 48 years ago today, lyndon johnson in independence, missouri, signed into law the medicare program in the presence of former president harry s. truman. it's important when you think about that event which i would argue transformed our country, to go back in time and remember that seniors in 1965 only half had health insurance of any sort. 30% of america's seniors lived in poverty. live expectancy for america's seniors were age -- was age 70. we have universal health insurance coverage for all seniors, life expectancy is now age 79 and only 7% of seniors live below the poverty line. the decision by congress earlier that year, it was april of 1965, when former -- when our colleague, congressman john dingell, was sitting in the speaker's chair and brought the gavel down when the medicare law was passed, has again paid off huge dividends in transforming america's health care system. back then it only covered doctors' visits and hospital visits. now it covers a broad range. dialysis, medical equipment, outpatient services such as prescription drug coverage, and as a result the health care sector of our country has grown. and for many it has created literally careers and opportunities to pursue a system which again has produced great results for the folks who live in our country over age 65 and people on disability. now, today, you know, we have challenges that medicare faces, but there is good news. the trustees for medicare recently issued their annual report and it showed that the solvency of the medicare trust fund this year it was extended out an additional two years to 2026. beyond that date complare does not go bankrupt to -- medicare does not go bankrupt to zero. there is a shortfall in prosection of the trustees of roughly 10%. a serious problem but one we think manage using smart changes to the system. and the trustees in the report pointed to the affordable care act when it was signed into law by president obama in 2010 as extending by nine years the solvency of the medicare system. for seniors under the affordable care act, they are now getting more help with prescription drug assistance. they were stranded in the doughnut hole prior to 2010. now they get over half of the cost of those prescription drugs while they're in the doughnut hole, discounted. they're also getting free preventive care services, whether it's annual checkups, smoking cessation programs, all those essential services for primary care are now -- carry no out-of-pocket costs because of the affordable care act. the fact is that those changes have extended the solvency of the affordable care act and we have not cut benefits for seniors. e have not made unwise choices such as the ryan budget which proposed raising the eligibility age for seniors to qualify for medicare to age 67 and would butcher the program into private health insurance for people under age 55. in other words, turning the clock back to where we were 48 years ago when president johnson signed that measure into law. the best way to celebrate medicare's birthday, which again has transformed the lives of every american family since it was enacted in 1965 is to make smart changes to the system, to build on the progress of the affordable care act, to make sure that it's going to be there for our children and our grandchildren, just like the people who had the wisdom to vote for that program 48 years ago and signed it into law. again, with the vision and prophecy of harry s. truman who as a senator representing the state of missouri, had proposed medicare as a law and then saw before his time on earth ended it actually come into fruition. medicare is a wonderful program, it is a program which every family is touched by and has experienced and benefited from. our best way to celebrate its birthday today is to redouble our efforts to extend its solvency and to make sure that all americans, today and in the future, are able to enjoy its wonderful benefits. with that i yield back. . the speaker pro tempore: the chair now recognizes the gentleman from north carolina, mr. jones, for five minutes. mr. jones: mr. speaker, thank you very much. mr. speaker, last week as we debated the defense ppropriations bill for the upcoming year, my good friend, jim mcgovern, democrat from massachusetts, joined me in a measure that would have guaranteed that congress would vote on funding the strategic partnership agreement with afghanistan. this agreement with afghanistan is a 10-year agreement that would start after 2014. it has been negotiated and will soon be signed by president obama and the -- president karzai. during the debate i quoted the former commandant of the marine corps with regard to this agreement. i called him and asked him what he thought about the agreement. he sent me a paragraph back. i use one sentence that i will use again today, mr. speaker, simply put, i'm not in favor of this agreement. it basically keeps the united states in afghanistan to prop up a corrupt regime. it continues to place our troops at risk. the amendment failed. i want to thank the seven republicans who joined me in that vote along with 100 democrats, but it failed. the problem is we really have no oversight in afghanistan. it is a joke at best. the joke is it's not really a joke because of the young men and women who are dying in afghanistan even today. the waste, fraud, and abuse in afghanistan goes unchecked. we sent inspector generals over there, they do their best, but it is a no-win situation in afghanistan. mr. speaker, according to a "washington post"/abc news poll just last week, only 28% of american people believe the war in afghanistan has been worth fighting. i believe that number would be even lower if they knew that we are going to sign a 10-year agreement with afghanistan after 2014. if they were polled on that i believe the 28% would go down to about 8%. the american people are just finding out that we had this 10-year agreement with afghanistan where we'll keep spending billions of dollars per month and have a presence of at least 10,000 to 15,000 military. during this same week last week a poll was done of congress and 12% of the american people approve of congress. if it gets much lower we'll be right at zero. i'm not sure the american people will be wrong with they give us a zero, quite frankly. especially when i look at the ct that we continue to spend money in afghanistan. we continue to cut programs right here in america for our young, our old, and our infrastructure. the american people are frustrated and fed up because they don't think we in congress are listening to them. and when it comes back to afghanistan and the fact that we would allow a 10-year agreement to go on with a corrupt leader in afghanistan makes no sense to the american people. it makes no sense to many of us in congress in both parties. mr. speaker, during that debate i made the statement on the floor at 11:10 that night, probably no one on the floor and in fairness to that statement there were only about 10 or 12 people to the floor, but they probably don't realize from march 1 until july 1 we have lost 78 of our soldiers and marines in afghanistan. mr. speaker, that's why i . ought this poster down today it is a family that happens to be the army, they are prepared to walk behind a caisson, probably at arlington, to bury an american hero. the sad part about it, mr. speaker, is that there is a wife, i a am assuming, probably on wife, she has sunglasses and a black dress, and she's holding the hand of her little 6, 7, appears to be maybe 8. and the little girl is holding her mother's hand and the little girl has her finger in her mouth. how many more families in this country have to go through a sadness and tragedy like this family? while we sit here in congress and never debate the war, we'll debate the funding that we did last week, it was a 10-minute debate, five for my amendment and five against. mr. mcgovern and i had five minutes. and yet we do not debate the policy that continues to send troops, continues to send money, and all we do is continue to let this war go on and on and on. mr. speaker, it's not fair to the families who have loved ones in the military. again i will continue to come to the floor one time a week and rail about the policy in afghanistan is a failed policy. history has said no nation has ever changed afghanistan, and we are not going to change afghanistan no matter how much money we spend, how much blood we spend, and it's not fair to our military. with that, mr. speaker, i will close by asking god to please bless our men and women in uniform. please bless the families of our men and women in uniform. loving arms to hold the families who have died for freedom in afghanistan and iraq. i will ask god to please bless the president that he will do what is right in the eyes of god for god's people today and god's people tomorrow. and three times i'll say god please, god please, god please continue to bless america. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the chair now recognizes the gentlewoman from minnesota, ms. mccollum, for five minutes. ms. mccollum: i ask unanimous consent to address the house. revise and extend. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, so ordered. ms. mccollum: mr. speaker, in the world's poorest countries nearly one billion people struggle with hunger every day. chronic food insecurity limits a child's ability to grow, to learn. across africa and asia, hardworking farmers need to help to produce enough food to feed their families throughout the year. many of these farmers are women. estimated 80% of the agricultural workers are women. so earlier this year i traveled to tanzania in southern sudan where women farmers told me they needed access to better seeds and training. with assistance from the united states, and with our support, they can grow enough food to feed their families and have extra to sell as produce. last week i introduced the global food security act, along with representatives aaron schock, and jim mcgovern. this bill directs the president to develop a strategy to improve global nutrition, food security, and agricultural development. more than 35 n.g.o.'s and faith-based groups also support this bill. this bill will improve food security for millions around the world, which is the right thing to do. but it will also make america more secure and protect our own national interest. i urge my colleagues to support the global food security act. mr. speaker, i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the chair now recognizes the gentlewoman from tennessee, mrs. black, for five minutes. mrs. black: thank you, mr. speaker. mr. speaker, today i rise to honor walter thomas durham, a man who did great things for tennessee and for the future generations of tennesseans. tennessee has one of the great histories of our united states. tennesseans fought and tipped the balance of the revolutionary war at the battle of kings mountain. tennessee produced three of the first 17 presidents. tennessee had more civil war battles than any other state except virginia. tennessee is proud of its history and walter durham is a giant in the world of tennessee histry. like so many brave members of mr. durham ion, served in the u.s. army in world war ii. seeing action in north africa and italy with his u.s. army air corps. he went to vanderbilt university, and after he graduated he started a building supply company called durham building supply. e went to launch another business, an aluminum products company, which he and his partners later sold. then in the early 1970's, he was encouraged by his doctor to establish a hobby that would reduce his stress. so at the suggestion of a friend mr. durham started a book on the history of thunder county. as the history goes, the county has a pretty amazing one. summerville tennessee's forts and settlements were in sumner county. they had many characters, such as thomas spencer, a man of legendier strength who once spent a cold winter alone living -- hollow sick more sycamore tree. walter durhamas hooked on history. in fact his book would be the first of 24 that he wrote on the local and state history. he wrote books about the history of the thoroughbred racing in tennessee. the tennessee governor, who fought in the war of 1812. he also wrote about james winchester, another veteran of the war of 1812, and a man who co-founded the city of memphis with andrew jackson. and a book about general daniel smith, a u.s. senator and a surveyor who created the first map of tennessee. he wrote a very detailed two-volume history of nashville during the civil war, and those two books were one of the ones he later said he was the most proud of. he also wrote a book called volunteer 49ers, about people who left tennessee to take part in the virginia gold rush. in fact, tennesseans were some of the first people to hold public office in california. in short, walter durham created an entire shelf of books that people interested in tennessee's history should have in their libraries, and he generously gave the book rights and oceeds to various entities across the state. in addition to writing, he was a long-time member of the tennessee historical society, and he served as its president from 1973 to 1975. he was also the chairman of the tennessee historical commission and the founding president of the tennessee historical alliance now known as the tennessee preservation trust. in 2002, tennessee governor appointed him to the official post of the tennessee state historian. he was appointed by governor phil breadyson in 2008 to continue to hold this title until his death. two years ago he was awarded the honorary dock rat from tuscaloosa college to commemorate his work on behalf of tennessee's historical significance. he also took time to encourage others. 10 years ago a young man in the tennessee -- in tennessee decided to start an organization to help public schoolteachers teach tennessee history and civics using the internet. his very first endorsement letter was from walter durham. a man who hand wrote, he hand wrote every one of his books in pencil. and these handwritten manuscripts now reside at the vanderbilt library archives. he was also a devoted sunday school teacher at the first united methodist church. e passed away on may 24, 2013. he is survived by his wife, anna armstrong durham. his wife of 64 years, and his four children and four grandchildren. tennessee and the durham family will miss this great man. thank you, mr. speaker. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to clause 12-a of rule 1, the chair declares the house to be in recess until 2: >> the house and senate are back to work this week on a government spending bill and housing programs, what can you tell us about the measures being considered? >> well, the first thing to know is that they're very, very different. this is an unusual year in the appropriations process because the house is working from a very much lower figure for the grand total for the bills than the senate is. this is because the house is incorporating these across-the-board cuts, known as sequestration. they're anticipating they continue, whereas the senate is incorporating a section that a deal will be worked out and they're writing a bill for that level. so this transportation and housing bill is a prime example of the choices that are being made when the house works for a much lower figure. for instance, they really cut community development grants. they cut amtrak subsidies. they're not able to do as much for road and bridge repair. in the senate, the democrats who control the chamber over there, are trying to demonstrate, well, look, our bill will do more to create jobs. it will do more to house people. but what's going on in the mismatch really is just sort of preliminary to a showdown there will happen later this year. >> how unusual is that both chambers are considering both versions of their legislation at the same time? >> well, it's very unusual for the simple point the senate hasn't considered a stand-alone appropriations bill in something like two years. typically the house is supposed to go first, send the bill over, the senate picks it up. they get all this inside congress stuff. but the facts they're doing it at the same time is really more of a coincidence. >> you mentioned some key issues in the debate. >> well, i think there will be efforts to restore some of the cuts on the house side to things like subsidize housing, amtrak and the like. but, you know, under the rules you need to find money someplace else to replace a cut. and the house measure so sort of starkly written something like 20% or so below the levels that were passed in march. you know, give or take a few percentage points. that it's going to be really hard to move much money rarned -- money around and to create -- or to quote-unquote fix some of the problems people see with the bill to fix the bill. >> congress is set to start their five-week summer break at the end of this week. what kind of progress are they making on the list of the dozen spending bills that fund the federal government? >> not very much. this will be the fifth one to pass the house. if the senate manages to pass it will be the first. the appropriations process has been going on. they're really kind of marking time. quite frankly, until they figure out some broader budget solution, these bills don't matter much as far as how things will turn out in the end. they're going to need a stopgap measure or a continuing resolution in september, and that's going to be tricky, but i wrote a story last week which suggests that if you hear this talk about a possible government shutdown at the end of september, maybe view that kind of talk skeptically so far. >> what is the conflict? what spending levels is each far apart ng and how are they? >> as i say, the senate is using an overall cap. remember we're talking about what is known as discretionary spending. this is what congress passes each year to do sort of day-to-day operating budgets. medicare and social security is in a whole different box. and they have chosen a spending level of $1.058 trillion, i believe. and the house is using spending level that's like $91 billion to $92 billion less. and inside that $91 billion or $92 billion, they move money from domestic programs that help the pentagon out. these domestic spending bills like the transportation and housing bill are vastly different depending which chamber is producing them. >> how involved is the obama administration as congress gets closer to its deadline to getting the spending bills done? >> they don't seem to be very involved, quite frankly. they're anticipating in the fall some kind of -- some sort of catalyst that gets a broader budget negotiation going. now, republicans think they -- the need to raise the debt limit will provide that spark. but the president is going around saying, look, two years ago, which paraphernalia theycally he was getting ready he was anthetically getting ready for re-election, he said you can't pay social security recipients. it's a real economic catastrophe. he is saying he's not going to be held hostage to the threat of catastrophe again. the republicans who control the house and the obama administration and everybody is kind of hoping that as the fall goes on, they find a way to sort of massage that and you get a negotiation going that gets this budget agreement -- some kind of budget agreement worked out so you can alleviate some of the sequestration cuts do some real budgeting for some of these agencies. >> reporter andrew taylor of the associated press, we thank you for joining us today. >> sure. >> and the house back at 2:00 p.m. eastern. legislative work at 3:00. president obama left washington this morning heading for chattanooga, tennessee. he's speaking at an amazon fulfillment center today. he's expected to announce a new proposal for tying changes in the corporate tax code with increase in education. before the president met, he met with with the former u.s. mbassador to israel. the three of them spoke with john kerry to reporters at the state department at about noon eastern. here's what they had to say. it's 15 minutes. >> i'm delighted to stand here think it's still morning. i had a ster libby who privilege of knowing for a long time. as all of you know it's taken an awful lot of work and a long time, a lot of time to reach this new moment of possibility and the pursuit to an end to the israeli-palestinian conflict. it's taken the leadership of president obama who set this process in motion with his historic visit to the region this spring. d then he spoke powerfully about the possibility and necessity of peace, not only to the leaders but also to citizens who overwhelmingly hope for a better future for their children and for their countries, for their peoples. the president's support for our efforts, including his personal engagement with the parties this morning, has been essential. and i thank him for that, and we had a very positive meeting with the president and vice president earlier this morning at the white house. i want to misemphasize that prime minister netanyahu and president abbas have both demonstrated courageous leadership to bring us here. and i commend them for the tough choices that they made in home.of the politics at i know the path is difficult. there's no shortage of passionate skeptics but with capable, respected northors like the minister and the doctor, standing side by side here today and last night sharing a meal together with all of us, with their efforts, their expertise and their commitment, i'm convinced we can get there. we're here today because the israeli people and the palestinian people both have leaders willing to heed the call of history. leaders who will stand strong in the face of criticism and are right now for what they know is in their people's best interests. their commitment to make tough choices frankly should give all f us hope that these negotiations actually have a chance to accomplish something. i'm pleased to report that in the conversations we've had last night and again today we've had constructive and ositive meetings, both meetings with the united states president and also with meetings with the parties themselves. the parties have agreed to remain engaged in sustained, continuous and substantive negotiations on the core issues the hey will meet within next two years in either israel areas. alestinian the parties have agreed here today that all of the final status issues, all of the core issues and all other issues are all on the table for negotiation. and they are on the table with one simple goal, a view to ending the conflict ending the claims. our objective would be to achieve a final status agreement over the course of the next nine months. the parties also agreed that the two sides would keep the content of the negotiations confident. the only announcement -- confidential. the only announcement about the meetings is the one just made. and i will be the only one authorized to comment publicly on the talks in consultation, obviously, with the parties. that means that no one should consider any reports, articles or other -- or even rumors reliable unless they come directly from me and i guarantee you they won't. the united states will work continuously with both parties as a facilitator every step of the way. two states living side by side living in peace and security. two states, because two proud people deserve a country to each call their own. two states because the children of both peoples deserve the their ity to realize relidgement as perations and e two -- relidge mat aspirations. and we appreciate the challenges ahead. but even as we look down the difficult road that is before us and consider the complicated choices that we face, we condition lose sight of something that's often forgotten in the middle. and that is what awaits everybody with success. we need to actually change the way we think about compromise in order to get the success. compromise doesn't mean giving up something or giving something away. reasonable principled compromise in the name of peace means that everybody stands to gain. each side has a stake in the other's success and everyone can benefit from the dividends of feas. we simply wouldn't be standing leaders, president abbas and prime minister netanyahu and their designated negotiators and all of us together didn't believe that we could get there. we can envision a day when palestinians can finally realize their aspirations for a flourishing state of their own, and the ground-making economic initiative that we've been working on with the quartet and with tony blair and others, with the help of the private sector, can help transform the palestinian economy and build up unprecedented markets and unblocked waves of foreign investment. and we shouldn't forget that the new jobs, the new homes, the new industries that can grow and a new palestinian state will also benefit israelis next door where a vibrant economy will find new partners. we can also envision a day when israelis actually can truly live in peace, not just the absence of conflict, but a full and a lasting peace with arab and muslim nations and end once and for all the pernicious attacks on israel's legitimacy. israel and israelis and palestinians both have legitimate security concerns. our commitment to israel's security is why president obama's administration has done more than any before it to strengthen our unshakeable bond and why general john allen is on the groundworking to ensure israel's security needs will be met. and i emphasize we have worked very closely with our palestinian friends to help develop palestinian security capacity, and we cannot forget that the security of israel will also benefit palestinians next door. the israeli government has recognized this which is why it will be taking in the next days and weeks a number of steps in order to improve conditions in the west bank and in gaza and the palestinian security forces have recognized this which is why we have seen such a dramatic improvement in law and order and such a dramatic increase in terror attacks originating from the west bank. the israeli and palestinian people understand their common interests, and that's why they continue to take positive steps on the ground to improve relations between themselves. i also want to point out that the arab league understands this too, which is why it has reaffirmed the arab peace initiative and provided vital statements of support for this process. finally, i just say everywhere i go leaders from around the world understand that they share a stake in this endeavor's success. they all have a role to play, where i is why they have continued to contribute to this effort, to advise, to make commitment of support and to push and advocate and encourage the parties every step of the way. and president obama and i join in thanking all of them for their concern and initiative. so many things are already happening. when somebody tells you that israelis and palestinians cannot find common ground or address the issues that divide them, don't believe them. just look at the things they are doing together and trying to do together. there are many reasons why we need to solve this conflict, but none more important than the security and the dignity of the next generations of israelis and palestinians, jews, muslims and christians and the generations who will follow them and benefit from hopefully. ations i think everyone involved here believes that we cannot pass along to another generation the responsibility of ending a conflict that is in our power to resolve in our time. they should not be expected to bear that burden, and we should not leave it to them. they should not be expected to bear the pain of continued conflict or perpetual war. so while i understand the skepticism, i don't share it, and i don't think we have time for it. i firmly believe the leaders, the negotiators and citizens invested in this effort can make peace for one simple reason, because they must. a viable two-state solution is the only way this conflict can end, and there is not much time to achieve it and there is no other alternative. we all need to be strong in our belief in the possibility of peace, courageous enough to follow through on our faith in it and audacious enough to achieve what these two peoples have so long aspired to and deserve. doctor. >> thank you, mr. secretary. thank you, ms. livni. on behalf of president mahmoud abbas, i'd like to extend our deepest appreciation to president barack obama and to you, secretary kerry, for your lentless efforts and unwavering to commitment toward a lasting peace of veilis and palestinians. palestinians have suffered enough, and no one benefits from this effort more than palestinians. i'm delighted that issues are on the table and will be resolved. without any exceptions and it's time for the palestinian people to have an independent, sovereign state of their own. it's time for the palestinians o live in peace, freedom and dignity within thirne independent, sovereign state. -- their independent, sovereign state. thank you, mr. secretary. thank you, ms. livni. >> thank you. thank you, secretary kerry. on behalf of prime minister netanyahu, the state of israel, for your determination, for not giving up because you need to know that i think it was our first meeting during this process that you said to me that failure is not an option. nd you proved today that failure is not an option. secretary kerry showed everyone that nothing can stop true believers. and thank you for that. i also want to thank president obama for his personal commitment to peace and to israel's security. the powerful impression left by the president's last visit to israel still remains in the hears of the israeli people. e came here today, the special envoy of president netanyahu, nd myself after use of -- we came here today from a changing region. we are hopeful, but we cannot be naive. we cannot afford it in our region. we owe to our people to do everything, everything we can for their security and for the hope of peace for future generations. you know, it took more than just a plane ticket to be here today. a courageous act of leadership by prime minister netanyahu that was approved by the veili -- israeli government made these visits here in the beginning of the negotiation possible. we all know that it's not going to be easy. it's going to be hard with ups nd downs, but i can assure you that these negotiations -- in these negotiations, it's not our intention to argue about the past. but to create solutions and make decisions for the future. you know, saeb, we all spent some time in the negotiations room. we didn't reach a dead end in the past, but we didn't complete our mission. and this is something that we need to do now in these negotiations that we will launch today. and the opportunity has been created for us, for all of us, and we cannot afford to waste it. no, i hope that our meeting today and the negotiations that we have launched today will cause, i hope, a spark of hope, even if small, to emerge out of cynicism and pessimism that is so often heard. it is our task to work together so that we can transform that spark of hope into something real and lasting. and finally, i believe that history is not made by cynics. it is made by realists who are not afraid to dream. and let us be these people. thank you. >> thank you very, very much. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] >> and back on capitol hill today, the house and senate in at 2:00 g back briefly and will return at 3:00 to pick up on the 2014 transportation and spending bill. coming up later this week a bill addressing the doubling of student loans which the senate passed last week. also, a bill this week that would prevent the i.r.s. from implementing any portion of the health care law. we'll have live coverage of the house here on c-span when they return, 2:00 p.m. eastern. also this afternoon, we'll have live coverage of a senate energy and natural resources committee looking at managing nuclear waste. they will hear from among others energy secretary earnest moniz and will be discussing alternatives to the cooling pools that currently hold most of the nuclear waste. that hearing live on c-span3 at 2:30 eastern. well, president obama out of the white house today, but he is heading to chattanooga today to speak on jobs and the economy. yesterday, civil rights leaders met with the president and the attorney general on the voting rights act. and after that meeting, they spoke with reporters outside of the white house for about half an hour. >> we had a very candid and very significant meeting with the president and the attorney general around voting rights. this is a broad coalition of , vil rights and voting rights organizational heads as well as attorneys and legal groups. our concern was to protect the right of all americans to vote. given the decision of the supreme court in terms of section 4, it was a certain amount of alarm around the country for those of us in voter rights and civil rights and state pledge slators. and we have been assured by the president and the attorney general they will continue to aggressively fight to protect the rights of all americans to vote. they are open to many of us on the ground to continue to use the voting rights act. it is not dead. we've been greatly encouraged by that. there is a wound in the voting rights act but it is far from dead. it the not even on critical. and we intend to use the information that we have today to ensure our constituents that we intend to aggressively fight to protect those rights in all communities, which is why everyone, the latino, the asian, the black communities were represented in this meeting today. as we head toward the 50th anniversary of the march on washington and as many of you know we're having a -- not a commemoration march but a continuation march, because we're under assault in many areas. we will emphasize voting and we will launch a huge voter mobilization and voter registration drive on august 24 at that march. and we informed the president and the attorney general of that. but i think the collective, the involved of those and the multiracial and multiethnic -- demonstrated was something that the president oted and i think it was very noted. mayor reed. >> what was clear from the president and with the attorney general is that this administration's commitment to making sure that every american has fair access to the polls and to the right to vote is total, it is whole and it is absolute. that's really what the conversation centered around. of the historic organizations that are assembled in front of you are prepared to go to work and that we will be doing more education than ever because the bottom line, while there are a number of adverse or tactics being used to undermine the right to vote, if we do our job we will be able to make sure that people maintain access to the ballot and the conversation centered around what is going to need to be done. we're also going to have a partnership with mayors across the united states that partner in a fashion that they have not done with these incredible organizations. because more resources are going to be required in order to set the record for the kind of discrimination that we believe is a foot in the united states of america. nd we cannot rely on these organizations to respond without being well sourced. >> well, as you can see, there is a broad commitment, an inclusive coalition that is supporting the voting rights act. i was very pleased with the very constructive meeting led by the president and where the attorney general and the new secretary of labor who has been the assistant attorney general for civil rights, tom perez, and there is a broad consensus to support the voting rights act. i want to tell you that one in three latinos live in areas covered by the voting rights act. we're very invested in this and we have worked to support the voting rights act. i have in turn seen broad support by this coalition to together. er -- work we've marched in alabama together against voter suppression and against the anti-immigration laws and i just think the strength of this coalition represents the strong unity and commitment that everyone must have that right to vote and we're here working together very committed to see that through. >> i'm the president and xecutive director of asian americans for justice. we are all about advancing the right to vote for all americans. it doesn't matter if you've been here five generations or five years. the asian american community is proud and honored. it's part of our commitment. i stand with all of my coalition partners, this is a fight by americans for all americans for all americans' right to vote. >> thank you very much. last week it was at our annual conference in philadelphia that attorney general holder announced that he was taking action against the state of texas. in today's meeting, there were a number of things that i think are important to emphasize. .

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"nightly news" begins right now. >> announcer: from nbc news world headquarters in new york, this is "nbc nightly news" with lester holt. >> good evening. six days into the trump transition with the president-elect holed up with his team inside his tower here in manhattan, there are major signs of strain emerging. first came word of a shake-up at the top of the transition team. now comes word of a purge, with some insiders being forced out. all of it happening as donald trump and his team face a massive test of filling powerful cabinet jobs and preparing to take over the white house with the far-reaching federal government. it's where we begin tonight with nbc's kristen welker. >> reporter: as president-elect donald trump huddled inside trump tower with vice president-elect mike pence, signs the trump transition may be in turmoil. former congressman mike rogers, who had been advising trump on national security, abruptly announcing his departure, that following chris christie's recent exit. >> i think he did a great job for many, many months under governor christie's leadership, and we're grateful to them for doing that. >> reporter: but sources telling nbc news, rogers' departure was part of a stalin-esque purge, aimed at ousting christie and his allies. tonight the new picture of trump's cabinet emerging, top trump loyalist, former new york mayor rudy guiliani, now eyed for secretary of state. also in the running, supporter john bolton, former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. under george bush. >> john would be a very good choice. >> is there anybody better? >> maybe me, i don't know. >> reporter: giuliani could face questions about potential conflicts of interests. he was paid millions as a lawyer and consultant for foreign governments. a transition official insisting every candidate will be thoroughly vetted. >> i do think that, as a party of course, these processes even out and it will not seem quite so chaotic in the choices down the road. >> reporter: but tonight, democrats still pouncing on trump's pick of a chief strategist, steve bannon, former head of breitbart, with a following among the alt-right. >> this is a man who says, by his very presence, that this is a white house that will embrace bigotry. >> reporter: traveling overseas, president obama didn't weigh in on trump's administration choices, but warned of the dangers of, quote, crude nationalism. meanwhile, a senior trump official tells nbc news, mr. trump received his first intelligence briefing as president-elect today. >> kristen welker, thank you. new questions raised this evening about the president-elect's tangled web of business ties at home and around the world. many of which remain hidden because he's not released his tax returns. that is prompting concerns about possible conflicts of interests. there are also questions about the role trump's children will play in the white house, in particular, the strong influence of trump's son-in-law jared kushner. we have it all covered for you, starting with nbc's katy tur. >> reporter: when donald trump takes the oath of office, he'll be able to see his newest property from the capitol steps. the old post office, trump's d.c. hotel is owned by the federal government. so trump is now his own landlord. blurred lines across a trump administration, how much will trump be involved in his own business, and how much will his family be involved in his presidency. nbc news has learned from a senior government official, the transition team inquired about top secret security clearance for trump's adult children. >> these are just regular inquiries among many that are made when folks are transitioning into a new administration. >> reporter: on the campaign trail, trump often said if elected his kids would run his company. what he didn't say is they could get security clearance, too. >> if we're concerned about the blending of political power with personal interest, as has been the case in the clinton foundation, we should be asking hard questions about how president-elect trump divides his political and business interests. >> reporter: trump owns 65 properties around the world and 500 companies in 27 countries. while the president is exempt from conflict of interest laws, even the appearance of conflicts can pose problems. >> you want to know that your president is totally devoted to his decision-making in the interest of the country, and not in the personal self. >> if he wanted to enrich himself, he wouldn't have run for president. >> reporter: that may be true. right now, all the public has is trump ds word, since he still hasn't released his taxes. >> obviously the public didn't care, because i won the election very easily. >> reporter: but democrats care. tonight calling for a congressional investigation into trump's finances. katy tur, nbc news, new york. ♪ >> reporter: i'm andrea mitchell. throughout a tough campaign, jared kushner, ivanka trump's husband, was never far from donald trump's side. >> jared is a very successful real estate person, but i actually think he likes politics more than real estate. >> reporter: so what kind of influence will the 35-year-old wield once his father-in-law is in the oval office? one clue, while trump was meeting with the president, kushner was conferring with denis mcdonough. and tonight nbc news has learned that trump has asked for kushner to sit in on his daily briefing once he gets a top-secret security clearance. ivanka converted to judaism when they married. >> she always has it in her to accomplish whatever she puts her mind to. >> he's the person i lean on the most. >> reporter: jared took over his family's real estate business when his father went to prison in 2005, pleading guilty on tax and conspiracy charges. the prosecutor, then u.s. attorney, chris christie. >> mr. kushner engaged in a conspiracy with co-conspirators. >> now kushner is at the center of the purge removing christie from the trump transition team. >> obviously his son-in-law is going to be very involved in decision making. >> reporter: but anti-nepotism laws enacted after bobby kennedy served as attorney general would prevent kushner from holding an official federal job. >> the idea that someone would be a formal adviser and also have those powers is a contradiction. >> reporter: whether official or not, there's no doubt, donald trump's son-in-law will play a big role in the new white house. andrea mitchell, nbc news, washington. now to a major effort to protect white house north, trump tower located on fifth avenue in the heart of new york city and it's making it a lot harder to security than the private homes of previous presidents, like kennebunkport or crawford, texas. the area surrounding trump tower is becoming a fortress tonight. we get the latest from nbc's cynthia mcfadden. >> reporter: can a 58-story glass tower in the middle of new york city be a safe place for the president and his family? that's a question on the minds of many in the secret service and the new york police department tonight. william bratton was the police commissioner in new york city until a few months ago. >> they will at all times and at all costs keep the president safe, but the level of difficulty cannot be underestimated. >> reporter: already with the transition team holed up here at trump tower, trump has not left the building since thursday. security challenges are mounting. what if this becomes penthouse one? >> this building is going to have to be secured for four years, eight years, for as long as the president-elect lives. it's not a one-shot affair. that changes the complexion totally about how you plan security for it. >> does it make it harder? >> definitely makes it harder. >> reporter: the president-elect's penthouse is on the top three floors of trump tower. the trump website says there are 263 apartments in the building, each worth millions. below that, 26 floors of offices. and on the first few floors, a variety of stores and restaurants, including starbucks, an ice cream shop, and nike and gucci. still open to the public, but today more police than shoppers. move outside and the problems multiply. from street level, discussions are under way about whether fifth avenue will be shut down when mr. trump is in residence. the side street next to trump tower is already closed. and questions about vulnerability from above, as skyscrapers surround it. >> it's not just the president, but it's also the presidency that we're moving. we see it all the time with president obama, whenever he comes up here. it's seven to ten helicopters. it's closing down airspace. >> a senior new york police department official says that a long-term plan is still being developed. and the secret service confirms they're working with the nypd. calculating the cost of protecting mr. trump and his family can't be done yet, but an nypd source says it will be a very significant expenditure of taxpayer dollars. cynthia mcfadden, nbc news, new york. there is late word tonight that a tense manhunt has come to an end after a deadly shooting outside oklahoma's busiest airport. the suspect found dead after sparking a panic that shut the airport down. the victim an employee of southwest airlines and father to an nfl star. we get details from nbc's gabe gutierrez. >> reporter: tonight the oklahoma city airport is at a standstill, and an urgent manhunt is under way. >> the victim has been shot. >> the gunfire erupted this afternoon in a parking lot outside the airport. one person shot. police urging travelers to shelter in place. >> we have potential leads to a possible suspect. we have not identified the suspect so at this point i don't have anything to release. >> the victim is described as 52-year-old michael winchester, father of kansas city chiefs player james winchester. southwest releasing a statement, "we extends our heartfelt support to his family." meanwhile, people stuck in the tarmac. i don't understand closing a whole airport. another tweeting, this is nuts. get us out of here. police have not released a motive but say the shooting was premeditated. gabe gutierrez, nbc news. a horrifying scene today inside a utah high school where five students were injured in a stabbing rampage. the suspect, described as a 16-year-old straight a student, went on the attack in the boys' locker room before turning the knife on himself. he sustained nonlife threatening injuries and is in custody. the victims range from critical to fair condition. the motive is under investigation. now to the news hitting home tonight for a lot of families, mortgage rates are spiking in the aftermath of last tuesday's election, pushing some who may be looking for a new home to act faster before they climb any higher. nbc's jo ling kent explains why. >> it's fabulous. >> reporter: jenna had no plans on rushing her house hunt. >> i've been looking for a home for about a year and a half. >> reporter: but the victory of president-elect donald trump sent her interest a race to secure her dream home now. >> beautiful. >> we decided to lock in immediately. >> reporter: she was right. the 30-year fixed rate has spiked .4%, the biggest increase since 2013. that means the payment for a $200,000 mortgage has gone up by about $56 a month. >> we've seen a sharp rise in mortgage rates over the last week because of the speculation that a trump administration is going to mean more government borrowing, more government spending, and over the long-term, higher inflation. >> reporter: the pressure also mounting for those who want to refinance. >> i'd refinance now. we don't know where the interest rates are going in the future. >> reporter: despite an increase in rates, realtors say it's still a sellers' market. although mortgage rates are ticking up, they remain at historic lows. and they say people shouldn't panic. >> you don't rush to buy a house any more than you rush to get married because of a sale at the bridal shop. >> but acting quickly ensured that she got the most out of her budget. >> the difference between locking in last week and this week is hundreds of dollars a month. and that difference would have made it impossible for me to move into this home. >> reporter: putting down new roots just in time. jo ling kent, nbc news, new york. still ahead, the big change coming to social media. what some internet giants are doing about all those bogus headlines crowding your feed. also, fox news star megyn kelly opening up about what it's been like in the crosshairs of donald trump and his supporters. tonight there's news from several of the nation's biggest social media sites, taking action to address some growing problems and issues. twitter announced its users will be given better tools against bullying. and other sites are are trying to limit the increase of fake news stories flooding users. >> reporter: for millions of americans, facebook is much more than just a powerful social media platform. according to one study, it's where nearly half of all adults in this country turn for a source of news. >> i get a lot of my news from social media, like facebook, twitter, snapchat stories. >> reporter: but tonight, facebook and google are combatting a problem that's trending, fake headlines. trump winning popular vote. the clinton foundation buying arms, and pope francis endorses trump, a story shared nearly a hundred thousand times before the election. >> misinformation from many sources impacted this election. you can look at that at all kinds of levels. >> reporter: facebook ceo mark zuckerberg rejected the notion fake headlines altered the election. to pull the plug on false news, facebook and google now say they will bar fake websites to using their system to sell ads, removing a financial incentive without censoring free speech. >> they are essentially facilitating the sharing of news globally amongst a massive, massive population. we need to raise the bar. >> reporter: tonight the internet is still the wild west. the best advice may be the oldest. don't believe everything you read. miguel almaguer, nbc news, los angeles. we are back in a moment with a place in america where bars will soon be byop, as in, bring your own pot. fox news anchor megyn kelly made headlines this year during her highly publicized feud with donald trump. then with reports she took a stand during the ousting of fox news chief roger ailes, who was accused of sexual harassment. during that time, we didn't hear from kelly herself. she's now speaking out as nbc's stephanie gosk reports. >> reporter: megyn kelly said she never wanted to become the news herself. but as she writes in her new book, that is exactly what happened. describing what it felt like to savannah in an interview airing wednesday on "today." >> i had a lot of tearful nights. >> reporter: it started at the first republican debate. >> you've called women you don't like, fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals. >> reporter: donald trump attacked on twitter calling kelly overrated, unwatchable, and crazy. she received death threats. >> i had people yelling in my face on the street, violent things in front of my kids. i didn't go many places this past year without an armed guard. >> reporter: kelly soon became the center of another big story, after allegations of sexual harassment against former head of fox news, roger ailes, by former anchor gretchen carlson and other women. the 45-year-old writes that the accusations prompted her to talk to her bosses about her own experiences with ailes early in her career. >> he tried to kiss me. and then i pushed him away. he tried to kiss me again. i pushed him away again. he asked me when my contract was up, and then he tried to kiss me for the third time. i pushed him away, i walked out the door and i called a lawyer. >> reporter: ailes denies the allegations, writing in part, i worked tirelessly to promote and advance her career. >> reporter: many wonder if she'll stay at fox news after a year that raised her onto a bigger stage. stephanie gosk, nbc news, new york. >> much more of that interview tomorrow morning on "today." after a wave of pro-marijuana votes in last week's election, denver is the first american city to approve a law allowing people to use pot in bars and restaurants. there are a few catches. customers have to bring their own weed, and it can't be smoked inside. businesses might be able to have outdoor pot-smoking areas. when we come back, dinner for 25. why every thursday looks like thanksgiving athis family's table. ancou ben t hofodames.==essemedm "making a difference" is brought to you by -- aleve, direct therapy. the power is in your hands. finally tonight, americans will gather at dinner tables across the country next week to give thanks, but even when it's not a holiday, the family you're about to meet always has an extra seat at the table for a child in need. the more the merrier as rehema ellis tells us in tonight's "making a difference" report. >> reporter: this may look like typical dinner prep. but for the young people here, it's preparation for life. kathie fletcher and david simpson started welcoming kids into their home years ago when kathie's son santiago was in middle school. >> he would bring kids home who needed a meal, a shoulder to rye on, some advice. >> reporter: one friend led to many and a new tradition was born. every thursday night dinner for kids in need. as many as 25 gathered around the table. four of the kids moved in. >> i wouldn't send one of these children to a homeless shelter or to a soup kitchen. i feel like a child deserves to have a home. >> reporter: 18-year-old ed yearby is one of them, grateful for their guidance getting him into college this year. >> being around all these people has helped me learn to love everything. >> reporter: other people invited, mentors like dr. michael peter. encouraging kids to dream big. >> that's what some people used to have, some of us haven't had it either ever or in a very long time. >> reporter: to keep this going, david quit his job and started a nonprofit, working with kids full time. >> a lot of these kids have parents that love them very much, but we're extra parents. >> we're the village. little we're the village. >> reporter: the table is full of thanks. >> you've been there for me, so i appreciate that a lot. >> y'all speak up for me and tell me to be proud of what i do. >> reporter: but dinner feeding bodies and minds, and most of all, nourishing spirits. rehema ellis, nbc news, washington. >> some big hearts. that's going to do it for us on this tuesday night. i'm lester holt. for all of us nbc news, thank you for watching and good night. raraisuensns e nhinnewor thstaod the controversial and always entertaining marching band was banned from away games because of past problems and today they said the ban had not resolved those past problems enough to play in the big game. they set up to protect the coveted acts. surprised at the big game. >> i was really surprised. we have a lot of school spirit. >> reporter: but it may not be as wild without the stanford band. they have been banned for what the university called violations by band members for sexually explicit and offensive acts as well as violation of alcohol and controlled substance. the

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good morning, it's wednesday, november 16th, i'm betty nguyen alongside ali velshi and louis burgdorf. president-elect donald trump is facing backlash for violating a longstanding tradition after slipping out of his home without bringing the press along. mr. trump left trump tower in new york city last night to have dinner without notifying the pool of reporters covering him that he was leaving or where he was going. early in the night his spokeswoman said the president-elect's day had ended, signaling he'd remain in his home for the night, but later an unannounced motorcade departed from trump tower. the press was alerted trump had left the building after a bloomberg reporter tweeted a photo of him at the steakhouse. he was joined by melania and sons donald jr. and eric, this video captured of trump inside that restaurant. trump's spokeswoman confirmed trump had dinner with his family and claimed she did not know of the plans. it's the latest incident in what's been a series of frustrations for the press covering the president-elect, not getting access to his schedule, and raises concerns about trump's accessibility to the press and the public. he's refused to travel with the press corps during the election, nor have their briefings been about the transition, which were customary for past administrations. donald trump got his first presidential daily briefing yesterday, but a simple question remains as he makes his transition from candidate to president, how are things really going? check out the front page of "the new york times." firings and discord put trump transition team in state of disarr disarray. firing back on twitter, very organized process taking place. i am the only one who knows who the finalists are with an exclamation point. "the wall street journal" reports mike pence is ordering all lobbyists off the transition team. mike rogers, who's a former fbi agent and house intel committee chairman was thought to be near the top of the list for security position like cia director, but he announced he was handing off his duties. sources tell nbc news rogers' departure was part of a stalinesque purge aimed at ousting christie and his allies. emerging fiefdoms have complicated things, then concerns about rudy giuliani. politico reports he was paid to do consulting work for foreign governments, including iranian exiles and groups from qatar and venezuela. >> i think it is worrisome some of the ties to foreign governments, because that was a big complaint about many of us with hillary clinton and her ties and the money she received from foreign governments, so whether or not you have divided loyalty, obviously, is very important. the thing donald trump said over and over again was he was opposed to the iraq war and he learned that lesson that regime change in the middle east was not a good idea, yet i don't see giuliani coming out with statements like that. you want to have a diplomat in charge of diplomacy. you don't want a bomb thrower. no, john bolton's totally unfit to be secretary of state. i'd say it's a stiff uphill climb for me with giuliani, because he'd have to convince me he understands now the iraq war was a mistake and i haven't heard anything like that coming from him. >> senator rand paul joins "morning joe" later this morning. louis? >> there are plenty of others seen coming and going from trump tower, marla maples seen in the lobby, senator ted cruz, who upstaged the republican convention seen there, as well. others wanted to be known they are interested, like the mayor of tulsa, who interrupted his state of the city address to let everyone know he's interested in being the transportation secretary, but frequent trump surrogate ben carson cleared speculation he might serve as secretary of health and human services. his business manager told the hill he'd serve only as an unofficial adviser adding, "dr. carson feels he has no government experience, he's never run a federal agency. the last thing he'd want to do would be take a position that would cripple the presidency." worth noting he ran for president. we were talking about people loyal to chris christie may be forced out of the transition team. andrea mitchell reports it's related to ivanka trump's husband, jared kushner, and a case involving christie years ago. >> reporter: throughout a tough campaignjared kushner, ivanka trump's husband, was never far from donald trump's side. >> jared is a very successful real estate person, but i actually think he likes politics more than he likes real estate. >> reporter: so what kind of influence will the 35-year-old publisher and real estate developer wield once his father-in-law is in the oval office? one clue, while trump was meeting with the president, kushner was referring with his chief of staff. nbc news learned kushner was asked to sit in on daily briefings. harvard educated kushner comes from a devout orthodox judaism family. >> he's the person i lean on the most. >> reporter: jared took over his family's real estate business when his father, charles kushner, went to prison in 2005, pleading guilty on tax and conspiracy charges. the prosecutor, then-u.s. attorney chris christie. >> mr. kushner engaged in a conspiracy with co-conspirators. >> reporter: now kushner is at the center of the purge removing christie from the transition team. >> obviously, his son-in-law is going to be involved in decision making. >> reporter: anti-nepotism laws hold back kushner from holding an official job. >> for someone to have those powers is itself a contradiction. >> reporter: no doubt donald trump's son-in-law will play a big role in the new white house. >> andrea mitchell reporting there. house republicans anonymously nominated paul ryan for another term as house speaker. he'll face an election in the full house in january. he pledged to work closely with the president-elect, though they have often butted heads. >> welcome to the dawn of a new unified republican government. we're on the same page with our president-elect. i talk with donald trump virtually every single day. i spoke with mike pence this morning. we're on the same page, working hand in glove and going to make sure this is a successful administration, but more importantly, we're going to make sure the voices we heard from the american people are acted upon. >> house minority leader nancy pelosi has greed to move leadership elections until after thanksgiving. pelosi, who's held her position for 14 years, could face a potential challenge from congressman tim ryan. the democrat will be a guest on "morning joe" coming up later this morning. senators sanders and warren are voicing concern about donald trump's transition team. both argue that the president-elect is breaking his campaign promise to drain the swamp. >> washington has been dominated by lobbyists, powerful special corporate interests for decades, and it is time that we rid washington of their influence. unfortunately, what we are now beginning to see is what i feared, and that is a lot of what mr. trump was saying to get votes turns out to be not what he intends to do as the president of the united states. >> what is the trump transition/administration do that it's not doing now? >> it doesn't start by hiring a bunch of lobbyists to run a transition. it doesn't start by floating names of people who have run giant hedge funds to be -- or been part of that, to run the treasury, or people that come from industry to be able to run the regulatory agencies. you know, the american people understand about the revolving door, and i think they are really sick of it. >> senator warren penned a letter to president-elect trump. "if you truly stand by your commitment to making government work for all americans, you must remove the lobbyists and financial big wigs from your transition team." senator tim kaine was back on capitol hill yesterday, he reflected at being back at his day job. >> the role of the democratic senate minority is going to be very, very important, so it's nice to get back to work after a little bit over the weekend. it's good to get back. later this morning, president obama will give his final speech abroad in a little more than an hour from now. yesterday he held a joint news conference with alexis tip sipp police. >> it's going to be a busy morning for president obama, who will be giving his final speech on foreign soil. a big picture look at the world, but a very different view than he might have given had donald trump not been elected. now all the questions that are being asked by foreign leaders, including the groeks. president obama has tried to help them deal with a crushing debt. unsalvageable is the way donald trump has looked at it, and so these kinds of questions, these kinds of concerns, he's going to be addressing today in a speech that i'm told has kept at least one senior aide up for most of the last three days. now, yesterday he gave a press conference with the greek prime minister and i asked him about whether or not he feels any responsibility for the outcome of the election. here's what he told me. >> i was surprised by the election results, and i said so. i still don't feel responsible for what the president-elect says or does. but i do feel a responsibility as president of the united states to make sure i've facilitated good transition and i present to him, as well as the american people, my best thinking, my best ideas, about how you move the country forward. >> the president did get a break from the pressures of the trip. last night there was a state dinner at the presidential palace in athens and later this morning he'll get to see what he really wanted to see, which is to go up and take a walk around the part non. then he gets on a plane and goes to germany and meet with angela merkel, someone criticized he y heavily by donald trump. other european leaders will be there, as well. then the final stop on this trip, which will be peru, ending the week there, where he had hoped to, frankly, be giving them good news about tpp, a signature trade agreement that he hoped to get passed in a lame duck session of congress. that is now dead. so a very different kind of trip than president obama would have planned just a little more than a week ago before donald trump was elected president. back to you. >> all right, chris jansing, thank you. still ahead, details about denver's new first in the nation law legalizing social marijuana use. plus, tony romo giving a heartfelt speech. those stories and a check on weather when we come right back. ♪ ♪ when you find something worth waiting for, we'll help you invest to protect it for the 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bias and ensure that new yorkers feel safe and protected. any acts of discrimination or intimidation will be met with a full force of the law. denver is set to become the first u.s. city allowing people to use marijuana in bars and restaurants. opposition 300 was declared victorious yesterday after campaigns both for and against the measure agreed that it had passed. under the plan, businesses will be able to get permits to let patrons use pot indoors, as long as it isn't smoked. so vaporizers, et cetera, and smoke marijuana outdoors. colorado approved recreational marijuana in 2012. now, last week california, massachusetts, and nevada became the latest states to approve pot for recreational use. betty? bill karins is going to have to follow up recreational pot use this morning with some kind of weather for us, good luck. >> by getting outside and doing recreation. whole southern half of the country is going to be very warm and sunny, people getting away with shorts in the middle of the nation today. let's talk about snow. snowstorm is going to come, starting in the rockies today and tomorrow and into the plains on friday. the blue shows you where the snow is. green is the rain. we're starting to get snow in the northern rockies and cascades. we have our first blizzard watch of the winter season that's been issued here, portions of south dakota, little sliver there of southern north dakota and also a good section of central minnesota. this is the area most likely thursday into friday that have to deal with blizzard conditions. happens to be the first storm of the season, too. how's that for a slap in the face? warmest november ever to blizzard conditions in three days. we could see six to 12 inches with blowing and drifting snow. the mountains here, great for the skiers, ski in wyoming, about a good four to eight inches of snow with drifts. let's take you through the timing of this. this is throughout today, this afternoon, the storm moves over the rockies. salt lake city just rain for you, but provo could get snow, too. the mountains of wyoming tonight, into tomorrow. as we go into thursday night, the blue is the snow. it breaks out, even denver is going to get snow out of this. many areas of nebraska, south dakota, and into minnesota. as we go through thursday and friday, the storm gets a lot stronger, the back band is where we'll see the heaviest snow. even minneapolis it looks mostly rain, on the tail end you could get snow, but the higher totals are definitely in the northern half of the state. first snowfall forecast of the winter season, mountains of wyoming, six to 12 inches of snow, white one to three. that's a good coverage of snow from colorado through the central plains. this is the blizzard conditions here from north of sioux falls to northern minnesota, possibility of up to a foot of snow there. that's a significant first event. as i mentioned, the rest of the country, guys, it is a roll the windows down type day. 70 in st. louis, 85 dallas. there's gorgeous stuff out there. >> crazy to see 80s and then blizzards. >> it is 60 in minneapolis, then it could be dealing with snow and wintery conditions in two days. >> all right, thank you, bill. still ahead, several nba teams are distancing themselves from donald trump after last week's election. we'll explain coming up in sports. ♪ ♪ style lets you stand out from the herd. what's inside sets you apart. the cadillac escalade. enjoy our best offers of the year. ♪ ♪ ♪ i want a hippopotamus for christmas ♪ ♪ only a hippopotamus will do ♪ no crocodiles ♪ no rhinoceroses ♪ i only like hippopotamuses ♪ and hippopotamuses like me too ♪ at the united states postal service, we deliver more online purchases to homes than anyone else in the country. and more hippopotamuses, too. ♪ i only like hippopotamuses ♪ ♪ so whatever your holiday priority, our priority is you. for patients like lynn, advanced genomic testing may lead to other treatment options that can work. learn 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negatively affect dak or this football team by becoming a constant distraction. i think dak knows that i have his back, and i think i know that he has mine. ultimately, it's about the team. >> welcome back. thatas an emotional tony romo delivering a prepared statement yesterday, which he acknowledged he is no longer the dallas cowboys starting quarterback. romo, who's missed the first nine games of the year after suffering a back injury in the preseason, has accepted his new role as dak prescott's backup, as he prepares to make his return on sunday when the cowboys host the ravens. in romo's absence, prescott has led dallas to a league best 8-1 record atop the nfc east. turning now to international soccer and trouble for the usa days after dropping the opening game of the final round of the world cup qualifying to mexico with a 2-1 loss. the u.s. men's national team traveled to costa rica where they were humiliated 4-0 last night. it's the worst defeat in 59 years. team usa now finds itself in a deep hole, falling to 0-2 for the first time since losing to mexico 6-0 in 1957. their next attempt to right the ship comes in march, when they face honduras. now to the nba where espn reports at least three teams will boycott trump brand hotels. the mavericks, grizzlies, and bucks reportedly made the decision in an effort to distance themselves from the president-elect. the report also indicates another unnamed eastern conference team contracted to stay at the trump soho in new york this season will make a politically motivated switch when its current contract expires. it's worth noting trump does not currently hold an equity stake in the trump's soho hotel. a shakeup in the third edition of the college football playoff rankings after a week where the number two, three, and four ranked teams all lost for the first time since 1985. alabama remains at number one after their 51-3 blowout win over mississippi state. ohio state moves up to the number two spot, with michigan 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trump's presidential transition is in disarray this morning. it comes after the abrupt resignation of former congressman mike rogers, who'd been coordinating national security efforts. sources tell nbc news it was part of a purge of those close to governor chris christie. trump denies the report saying the process has been, "very organized." betty, scary moments at a utah high school locker room as a 16-year-old student stabbed five boys before stabbing himself. the high school was put on lockdown. all five students were rushed to the hospital, although none of their injuries are considered life threatening. school staff members reportedly boxed him in, confining him to a small area before a school police officer arrived. he was later taken into custody. the oklahoma city airport is open this morning, following a shooting yesterday that left two people, a victim and the gunman, dead inside a parking garage. southwest airlines has identified the victim as one of its employees, michael winchester, who is also the father of kansas city chiefs long snapper james winchester. officials found the gunman dead inside a truck from a wound that may have been self inflicted. police describe the shooting as premeditated. later this morning, president obama will give his final speech as president on foreign soil. he's set to deliver a speech in athens a little more than an hour from now. yesterday he held a news conference with alexis tsipras. >> i was surprised by the election results, and i've said so. i still don't feel responsible for what the president-elect says or does. but i do feel i need to facilitate a good transition. last i checked, pretty healthy majority of the american people agree with my world view on a whole bunch of things, and i know that begs the question, well, how is it somebody who appears to have a very different world view just got elected? as i said, sometimes people just feel as if we want to try something to see if we can shake things up, and that i suspect was a significant phenomenon. did i recognize that there was anger or frustration in the american population? of course i did. i was also aware that because of the fact that you have seen some of the rhetoric among republican elected officials and activists and media, some of it pretty troubling and not necessarily connected to facts, but being used effectively to mobilize people. and, obviously, president-elect trump tapped into that particular strain within the republican party and then was able to broaden that enough and get enough votes to win the election. controversy continues to swirl around steve bannon, the newly appointed senior counselor to president-elect trump. a transcript of remarks made in private to a conference in 2014 appears to shed new light on his world view. a reported transcript of comments bannon made in a question and answer session during a conference on poverty held inside the vatican hosted by the human dignity institute, bann speaks and apparently labeled russian president vladimir putin as very, vy intelligent and says the united states needs to be on guard about how putin attempts to appeal to social conservatives in the united states and called state sponsored capitalism like russia and china's disturbing. bannon also reportedly addressed the issue of racism in the far right saying, "i'm not an expert in this, but seems right wing parties have had some aspects that may be anti-semitic or racial. my point is, that over time it all gets kind of washed out, right?" the transcript and audio have not been authenticated by nbc news. also touched on the birth of the tea party movement saying, "the way the people who ran the banks and hedge funds have never been held accountable by what they did." >> senate democrats are going all in against bannon's appointment. they are calling on trump to rescind the offer. senator sherrod brown of ohio accused trump of allowing bigotry, while elizabeth warren. here's harry reid on the floor yesterday. >> responsibility that say it is not normal for the kkk, ku klux klan, to celebrate the election of a president. if trump is serious about seeking unity, the first thing he should do is rescind his appointment of steve bannon. it will be impossible to take trump's efforts for the nation seriously. >> i find myself sitting here listening to the latest tirade by the democratic leader against the president-elect and his team. surely he's entitled to his opinion, but he does nothing to contribute to the healing of our country after a very polarizing hotly contested election. to come here after the election after the american people have spoken and made that choice and continue to disparage their choice for the next president, as well as the leadership in the house and the senate, really just smacks of, well, we used to call people like that sore losers. >> three buildings here in new york city bearing president-elect donald trump's name will be getting a facelift and dropping his name. tenants in three apartment buildings on manhattan's far upper west side were informed yesterday the gold letters spelling out "trump" on the exterior will be removed next week. hundreds of residents at 140, 160, and 180 riverside boulevard signed a petition calling for trump's name to be taken down last month. the buildings are now owned by equity residential, which bought them from the trump organization in 2005. at the time the two sides signed an agreement to keep trump's name on the building for a set period of time. that deal has now expired. in a statement to cnbc, equity residential said in part, "we are assuming a more neutral building identity that will appeal to all current and future residents." >> ali, the director of the nsa is speaking out about the recent wikileaks releases leading up to the election. in an interview, he says the hacks of the dnc and clinton presidential campaign were done by an unnamed nation with a goal in mind. >> there shouldn't be any doubt in anybody's mind, this was not something that was done casually. this was not something done by chance. this was not a target that was selected purely arbitrarily. this was a conscious effort to achieve a specific affect. russia's involvement in syria and the kremlin resumed air strikes in aleppo after a nearly month-long pause. nbc's ayman mohyeldin joins us. one syrian soldier told nbc news after this pause it would be an all out war. is that what we're see something. >> you're seeing operations once again, very severe operations according to eyewitnesss and rebels on the ground that are describing it as war like. you were talking about there being a lull in the attacks over the past couple of weeks. the russian government, as well as the syrian government, were giving civilians an opportunity to flee to eastern parts of aleppo that have been under siege, that now seems to be over because the russian government is going full steam ahead with operations, aircrafts, as well as ground troops by the syrian forces there operating and seems the shelling has continued, hospitals hit, a lot of residents saying the situation is very dire. >> in the meantime, though, the syrian president is speaking out about president-elect donald trump. what's he saying? >> yeah, if there's anything that shows you times are changing, this signal by the syrian president, according to state tv, is very dramatic, saying the syrian president is willing to work with president-elect trump if he is intent on fighting extremists and terrorist elements within the syrian government. that is a big departure from the relationship between president assad and obama. obviously, those two have no working relationship. in fact, president obama's administration position is president assad must go. it gives you a signal the assad regime sees an opening here. president-elect trump says he wants to work with russia, he wants to make his priority fighting isis. that's something the syrian regime says they would fight isis first and negotiate other aspects of the syrian conflict. he's seeing an opening there, willing to work with president-elect trump, but it's a dramatic shift and a troubling one for arab allies in the region if president-elect trump begins to negotiate with the syrian government of president assad. >> all right, ayman, thank you so much for that. ali? let's turn to business, where twitter is rolling out new antiharassment features to combat cyber bullying. nancy joins us live from london. nancy, twitter has been trying to sell itself to someone else, but word is the company is having a hard time because the bullying and harassment has run rampant on the site and giving it a bad name. >> well, that's right, ali. that is one big reason why ceo jack dorsey has made tackling harassment on twitter a top priority, but it's not just upsetting to the users, it is harmful to takeover prospects, so what we're hearing from twitter is they are taking action and that includes steps to improve the mute feature, which helps mute harmful words, racial slurs, and allows you to block entire conversations. they are also making improvements to the reporting feature, which will allow twitter to better control those who are abusing the system and the restrictions on harassment. so look out for anymore news on that one. elsewhere in the tech world, we are hearing snapchat is getting ready for an ipo. the parent company of snapchat is reportedly planning an ipo that can value the company in the neighborhood of $20 to $25 million. sources confirmed that to cnbc, so look out for developments in that one because the ipo filing has been made in secret due to a loophole that allows that for companies with this level of revenue. ali, back to you. >> i filed my first snap story one week ago. i'm brand new to snapchat. >> you're better than me. >> i'm getting criticism my snaps are a little serious, so i have to lighten them up a little bit. looking at oil prices surging this morning. i saw earlier you had an interview with one of the world's leading oil experts about the situation in the world. what's he expecting in terms of oil prices going to start to creep higher or stuck where they are for a while? >> well, the message from who you were talking about, yes, we spoke to him about prices and they do expect volatility to continue and when it comes to the demand side of oil, he says, in fact, that's not expected to peak until 2040, so a lot of discussion over whether or not the push into renewables will dent the fundamentals there. they are saying not so. he also tried to shrug off concerns over whether or not president-elect donald trump will impact the renewables push so far. back to you for now. >> nancy, good to talk to you live from london. americans might be carrying cell phones installed with software that is monitoring their personal data. the new york times reports american security contractors have discovered preinstalled software on some android phones that's secretly sending user data, including call logs and text messages to china every 72 hours. the company that developed the software installed on an unknown number of android-based devices told "the times" the feature was not intended for u.s. phones and they've since updated the software to remove the feature. american authorities say it's unclear if the information gathering is for advertising purposes or an effort by the chinese government to collect intelligence. you don't have an android phone on you. >> i don't, luckily after that story. john boehner is speaking out for the first time since the election, saying trump should press ahead with an update to infrastructure and offered an interesting idea how to pay for it. >> we need a longer term infrastructure plan than what we have in place. i think there's broad bipartisan support on the hill for this type of piece of legislation. i think it's going to be so popular that if i were president trump, i'd attach an increase in the debt limit to it, as well, which is going to come up in march. >> i was going to say, are you not in favor then of a big stimulus package that includes a large infrastructure initiative? >> i don't know that we need a stimulus package. we need infrastructure spending in a big way, and it will help the economy somewhat, but tax reform in a broader sense would do more for our economy, do more to create economic growth and better jobs in america than just an infrastructure bill on its own. >> boehner says he expects a repatriation of $2.5 billion of business capital parked overseas to fund that idea. he also says he's not sure what we'll see from a trump presidency, but he expects to see, quote, somewhat different donald trump. reports donald trump may split his time in office between the white house and trump tower has new york law enforcement scrambling to come up with a security plan. more on what's called an unprecedented challenge coming up. 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that's a question on the minds of many in the secret service and the new york police department. william bratton was the police commissioner in new york city until a few months ago. >> they will at all times and at all costs keep the president safe, but the level of difficulty cannot be underestimated. >> reporter: already with the transition team holed up here in trump tower, trump has not left the building since thursday, security challenges are mounting. what if this becomes penthouse one? >> this building is going to have to be secured four years, eight years, for as long as the president-elect lives. it's not one-shot affair. that changes the complexion totally how you plan security. >> does it make it harder? >> definitely makes it harder. >> reporter: the president-elect's penthouse is on the top three floors of trump tower. the trump website says there are 263 apartments in the building, each worth millions. below that, 26 floors of offices, and on the first few floors, a variety of stores and restaurants, including starbucks, an ice cream shop, and nike and gucci. still open to the public, but today more police than shoppers. move outside and the problems multiply from street level, discussions are under way whether fifth avenue will be shut down when mr. trump is in residence. the side street next to trump tower is already closed. and questions from vulnerability from above as skyscrapers surround it. >> it's not just the president, but also the president's seed we're moving. we see it all the time with president obama whenever he comes up here. it's seven to ten helicopters, it's closing down air space. >> reporter: a senior new york police department official says that a long-term plan is still being developed, and the secret service confirms they are working with the nypd. calculating the cost to protect mr. trump and his family can't be done yet, but an nypd source says it will be a very significant expenditure of taxpayer dollars. >> thanks to nbc's cynthia mcfadden for that report. we're back with a look at the top stories making news in the day when we come right back. 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reportedly turning anti-trump protests into a political movement. and they say they might target democrats. who negotiate with trump. good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall. we just learned at this hour vice president elect mike prens is receiving his presidential daily briefing in washington. this morning president-elect donald trump is fighting back in a series of tweets against reports of turmoilness transition team. his latest tweets take aim at a "new york times" report today that his transition is in disarray and america's closest allies have been, quote, blindly dialinging into trump tower but have been unable to reap him. the president-elect responding on twitter the story is wrong on transition. it is going smoothly. also, i've spoken to many foreign leaders. he tweeted, very organized process taking place as i decide on positions. i'm the only one who knows whom the final ipts are. vice president-elect pens is in washington this morning. here's what he said at the chamber of commerce when asked about the transition. >> so are you making good progress in the transition? >> and from the president-elect's son, eric, this morning, word there could be appointments announced as soon as today. >> what do you have planned? are you guys filling any more positions today? likely? anyone in particular? >> and a sign of yet more backlash, this morning in new york, three buildings on the upper west side of manhattan remopping the name trump after a petition by residents. according to the owners the building, equity reality, they're assuming a more neutral identity to appeal to current and future residents. nbc's kristen welker is in our washington bureau. so there you have it, donald trump, fighting back at these reports. his son eric not willing to give much as far as information there either. >> well, that's right. the question is will we, in fact, hear more appointments today, look, we know there has been some infighting. one source described it as fiefdomes es inside trump's ea. we know the adviser on national security announced he was leeching. another national security adviser. and the question is, is trump's son-in-law jared kushner at the center of all of this? the sense is the people who are being essentially asked to leave are people who are tied to chris christie. that is someone who does not have a good relationship with jared kushner. the reason why, well, chris christie back in 2005 prosecuted mr. kushner's father. over some business dealings. so there's some really bad blood there. and i think it speaks to a broader point, tamron, which is trump is all about loyalists and that's how he's approaching, at least this initial process of his transition. now there are also some q questions about whether his kids will have too much access to his administration. whether jared kushner, for example, is going to be the person he listens to most. and he's beating back reports that he asked for security clearance for jared kushner and his other adult children. let me read you the tweet today. it says, quote, i am not trying to get top level security clearance for my children. this was a typically false news story. the trump team try to say nothing to see here. among the names we are watching, rudy giuliani potentially for secretary of state. potentially john bolton as well. and senator jeff sessions who was seen at trump towers today, tamron. >> are people splitting hairs when they read that tweet to say jared kushner is his son-in-law, it is not his child. and it brings up the question whether or not if jared kushner gets this kind of clearance, we all remember when donald trump, when he was a candidate, said there was no way anthony wiener wasn't privy to information from his wife you'huma abedin. if kushner gets this role, he's in the home with ivanka trump who will be running the trump organization. and under, you know, donald trump's theories as a candidate, that would be impossible for information not to be shared. >> it's a great point. there's a lot of gray area. those are among the questions we are going to be asking. if you look at jared kushner's role on the campaign trail, he was always by president-elect trump's side. when mr. trump went to the white house for example for his first visit there, you recall that image of mr. kushner walking with president obama's cheeief staff, dennis mcdonough. there's no doubt this is someone who has and will continue to have mr. trump's ear. so that's something we're going to be watching. whether or not any of those lines are crossed. it under scores one of the concerns among reaspublicans th this transition isn't going as smoothly as it could be. last night president-elect trump ditched his press corps, went ton a fancy manhattan restaurant to have dinner with his family. a lot of folks saying good for him. but the problem is it is a break of protocol. a whole host of reasons. we have a press pool traveling with the president-elect or a president. mostly for national security reasons if there were, god forbid, to be any crisis, or if he needed to address the press in short order which we have seen in cases of international crisis. so one of trump's people saying hey, we're ironing out all of those rough edges. but, again, underscores some qeps about just how smoothly this transition's going. >> now to questions over former new york city mayor rudy giuliani's ties to foreign govs and whether there are conflicts of interest if he is tapped as trump's secretary of state. reporting he had made millions as a consultant overseas including working for the government of qatar. he's been a paid spokesman for an opposition group labeled a terrorist organization by the state department. and a consultant with triglobal whose clients were mostly russian oligarchs and oil executives. concerns about high level jobs but he would not give any details. he did, however, lay out some of his accomplishments. >> i've been all over the world. i know you -- >> i'm very close friends -- >> honorary knight hood -- >> yeah, i heard about that. >> great britain. prime minister netanyahu has been my personal friend for 25 years. i never go to israel without spending two hours with bb and i feel like i can call him that -- >> one of the writers of the article that laid out giuliani's potential conflicts of interests here. would someone like giuliani who's been a mayor, had a failed presidential campaign, he went on to clearly work as a consultant. perhaps never imagining he'd be a nevertheless, these are the details. or we at least are learning some deit a also of what he has been doing since he decided he would run for president. >> and, yes, it really even predates that. really from the moment he left the mayor's office. which you'll recall, he did with this enormous public acclaim. he's very aggressively parlayed that celebrity into this big security consulting and speech making business. in one year alone in 2006 he reported income of $11 million from speech making and consulting. and many of his contacts are with governments or compani abroad that would potentially come before him, were he to be president trump's secretary of state. so these issues which were raised in his presidential bit in 2008 will no longer come up again if there would be any confirmation hearing. he's trying to get ahead of it by address these issues. >> you pointed out mr. giuliani reported in a financial disclosure report he made 124 speeches for as much as $200,000 each and earned a total of $11 million. he often made extravagant demands in return for agreeing to make a speech, including the private plane that flew him to an engagement to be a certain size. i mean, not to relitigate the general election which is now behind us but these are some of the things that came up regarding the credibility of secretary clinton. >> yes, that's right. the work that was done for the government of qatar is also significant and has a connection to the election. if you recall, trump criticized the clinton foundation for accepting moneys from qatar, saying qatar had a poor record on women's rights, on gay rights, and it sort of undercut hillary clinton's claims in these areas. well, it turns out that rudy giuliani also did work for the government of qatar. now, he tells us he worked for the last immir of qatar, not the current immir. his work ended many years ago. but these are the kinds of issues democrats and others will no doubt zero in on. >> you point out confirmation, if we got to that point, let me play what senator rand paul said on "morning joe" regarding some of these concerns. >> i think that there will be some pointed questions and i will be part of that. because i think the thing is one of the big issues in the election was taking foreign money for hillary clinton. and being beholden to foreign interests. it will be a big question. i will ask those questions. >> it would be striking to have giuliani under fire by both democrats, republicans as well, about this money. >> you're right about that, by the way, it's not just business ties. there are some policy issues as well. rand paul said he would ask tough questions about rudy's support for the iraq war. you remember donald trump insists he didn't suprt the iraq war. that's of course in some dispute. but rudy giuliani's support for it is well established. and at odds with where donald trump is and sure to be an issue as well on capitol hill. >> all right, mark, thank you very much for your type, really appreciate it. speaking on capitol hill just now, newly designated senate minority leader chuck schumer said democrats will work with republicans but warned they'll also fight against the other party on issues they disagree on. nbc's kelly o'donnell join us live now from capitol hill with more of what senate democrats had to say on the path forward for them. >> well, tamron it gets a lot less attention but this is election day in the united states senate for both parties putting together their leadership teams. from chuck schumer who will be the successor to harry rae in the next congress in charge of the democratic message and how they operate on the floor of the senate, he had a clear note of change, talking about how they have expanded and enlarged the leadership team to try to go from bernie to joe. referencing the ultraprogressive from vermont to joe margriag mae conservative democrat, from west virginia. they know this election did not go the way they'd hoped. they'd hoped to be in the majority. so they're kind of resetting and here is how chuck schumer said he is prepared to work with the new reality come january. >> i can tell the american people this. we're ready to stand shoulder to shoulder with republicans. working with soon to be president trump on issues where we agree. we will go toe-to-toe against the president-elect whenever our values or progress we've made is under assault. >> and senator schumer says he's spoken with president-elect trump a few times. they also responded to the whole issue of steve bannon, that appointment inside a trump white house come january. he said we're going to let the president elect, we'll judge him on what happened going forward. they will hold him to account on how they handle things going forward. particularly if there are other appointments or other signs that sends for compademocrats not thd of outreach they'd like to see. >> let's bring in sam stein, senior politics ed for for huffington post. joins us live from the white house. let me play what happened on morning joe. congressman ryan of ohio wouldn't say definitively if he plans to challenge nancy pelosi but here's how he put it. >> some people have approached me, but there are a lot of people having conversations now about what direction we go in. that's the conversation about who can go into that blue fire wall that collapsed last tuesday. who can go into those states and really make the argument. the house leadership race is going to be an important signal to many democrats, independents and modern republicans of what the new democratic party looks like. >> with this delay of vote what are house democrats signaling, at least right now? >> listen, nancy pelosi continues to enjoy the overwhelming support of her caucus. if you ask any democrat up on the hill, she's an effective leader when it companyes to shepparding votes. some of it may be because of redistricting. certainly fund-raising is on here. i think in that, tim ryan has a point. for a couple cycles now, house democrats have failed to recapture the majority in the house. the question that democrats have to face, is the future trying to recapture the rust belt, or do you really need to go to a more cosmo multicultural hispanic base in the future. >> the struggle may include the political article we referenced calls this tea party version the left. taking to the streets through january's inauguration and beyond. one organizer called the tea party of the left. i talk to a lot of progressives. in washington, still not reflecting their anger. the election was lost but hillary clinton led in popular vote and they're still holding on to this and let's all reset and hope donald trump succeeds. one person put it yesterday, it depends what he wants to succeed at. >> some groups, obviously, hispanics, muslims, women, there's anger at the fact he lost the popular vote and is going to end up as president because the electoral college system. you're seeing senators now. but then there's also confusion as what the best path forward is. what the best path is to get power back. in addition tomisogyny, the racism as people see it, there are some policy areas where for better or worse he overlaps with democrats. what does leadership do when he puts forward a bill that could benefit their communities? some lawmakers might look and say there are actual benefits for my constituents in this. >> all right, sam, thank you so much for joining us. always good to see you. come up, retired general michael flynn who's reportedly in the running to be the head of the nsa. supposedly telling trump to be more hawkish. up next, what his influence could mean for national security. plus the twitter crackdown. the social media site makes a move to ban white nationalist groups. it is one of the stories we're updating around the news nation. and also coming up i'll talk live with olympic gold medalist simone biles. history making gymnast is 19 years ol she's been named glamour magazine's woman of the year. as part of ebony's power 100. now she's out with a book titled courage to soar. we'll talk to simone about how she overcame so many obstacles to be a young woman so admired around the world. simone joins us live coming up. as a supervisor at pg&e, it's my job to protect public safety, keeping the power lines clear, while also protecting the environment. the natural world is a beautiful thing, the work that we do helps us protect it. public education is definitely a big part of our job, to teach our customers about the best type of trees to plant around the power lines. we want to keep the power on for our customers. we want to keep our community safe. this is our community, this is where we live. we need to make sure that we have a beautiful place for our children to live. together, we're building a better california. senator jeff sessions arrived for his visit this morning. he's reportedly in the running for secretary of defense. tomorrow, japan's prime minister will be the first foreign leader to meet in person with president-elect trump since the election. he arrives in new york tomorrow. as trump begins to select his foreign policy team, a name to look out for in the coming days is retired lieutenant general michael flynn, reportedly a leading candidate to run the nsa. for more on that, nbc's pentagon correspondent hans nichols. a lot of people became familiar with lieutenant flynn as he was on the short list vp picks. >> he didn't get that job, of course we now know. one of the reasons he's likely to get something quite key in the national security team of the trump administration, loyalty. his loyalty to trump. but also look at their world views and they mesh. both them think that president obama was essentially asleep at the switch to this threat of radical islam. the whole creation of isis. you look at who he is. he came up through the army. he retired at 56. basically forced out. he was head of the defense intelligence agency. that's basically the in-house cia here at the pentagon. he had a long career. worked closely with stanley mcchrystal. as you mentioned, short listed for that vp job. take a look though at his entire body of work. he does have a maverick streak, right? he has done things like published things outside the chain of command here at the pentagon. he deverges with mr. trump on a couple places. namely, he is against enhanced interrogation. quote/unquote water boarding. you want a sense why they're on the same page. a quote about an issue very important to the community about bathrooms and such. he said, my god, war is not about bathrooms, war is not about political correctness or words that are meaningless. war is about winning. if he gets that national security job, it's one of three corner offices in the west wing. a lot of timines you walk in th white house early in the morning, you see the lights on in that office. currently occupied by susan rice. it could be flynn's. >> these two men are not always agreed on key issues for the trump campaign. we don't know they will be key for his presidency. >> i think that's a fair point. one of the reasons why he may not have gotten a vp job is because mr. flynn is pro choice. he he's also had criticism on his associate with turkey and russia. he accepted money through the speaker's bureau to appear at a gala where putin was at in moscow. during the campaign. took some criticism 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part. painter: you want this color over the whole house? happening now, president obama is expected to land in berlin, germany, any moment now, for the second leg of his last foreign trip as commander in chief. these are live pictures at the airport. at this time tomorrow, president obama will be holding a news conference alongside german chancellor angela merkel. it's the president's sixth visit to germany while in office. the sign of the strong relationship between the two world leaders. trump described merkel as a great world leader but also said he's disappointed with her policy on immigration. of course a reference to germany's open door immigration policy. wrapping up his time in greece this morning on his final overseas trip, president obama talked about the need for a smooth transition of power. >> democrat se depends on the peaceful trap fuful transition . especially when you don't get the results you want. and as you may have noticed, the next american president and i could not be more different. we are -- we have very different points of view, but american democracy is bigger than any one person. >> the white house photographer pete sousa has been documented the president's trips for eight years and we have exclusive first look photos of the president touring acropolis in greece right now. chris jansing talked exclusively with sousa before leaving greece. >> no white house photographer hasser had the kind of access that he has had. now 2 million photos into the obama administration, he's here with me in greece. >> thanks for having me. >> let's talk about today. because aides have told me the president's always wanted to go to the acropolis. you've taken iconic photos of him in rio at the christ statue, in stonehenge. when you go into an iconic place like that, do you have an image in your head this is the photo i want to take? >> for christ and stonehenge, i have never been to either place so it was hard to have a preconceived notion of what i would try to get. today, i've actually been to the acropolis. it was a long time ago. but i have in the back of my mind what this place looked like. and my job hopefully is to try to place him in that setting. >> he has been a formal president like either president. standing behind those podiums yesterday with the prime minister of greece. but you have also seen him as his most unguarded. who is the barack obama that most people don't know that you see and know? >> how many hours do you have? >> yes, tell me. >> i mean, he is not that month different than what you see in public. i think he's a little more open and funny and less guarded obviously. but he's still the same person that you see in public and in my photographs. i think a lot of my photographs really show who he really is. >> thank you develop. >> thanks for having me. >> can i just say, we're going to go on to berlin. there's another iconic photo that's come to be known as the sound of music photo. will pete capture another one of those photos? we'll find out. back to you. >> all right, coming up, more on donald trump's rough transition start. he denies that there are any problems. there are reports otherwise. the nbc political team says trump's surprise victory has done little to mask many of the gop divisions over his policy positions and style. that is part of this morning's daily briefing in politics. plus, it may not start until next year but one u.s. airline is offering in the future stripped down fares. but what do you have to do to get those stripped down fares? it's one of the stories we're following. he gets a lot of compliments. he wears his army hat, walks around with his army shirt looking all nice. and then people just say, "thank you for serving our country" and i'm like, that's my dad. male vo: no one deserves a warmer welcome home. that's why we're hiring 10,000 members of the military community by the end of 2017. i'm very proud of him. male vo: comcast. the search for relief often leads 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sidewalk -- >> reporter: racing to the scene tuesday afternoon, police found 52-year-old michael winchester had been shot. he was a southwest airlines employee, a former punter for the university of oklahoma and the father current kansas city chiefs player james winchester. authorities shut down the airport for hours during a massive search for the killer. >> the airport is closed at this time. >> reporter: more than 2 dozen flights canceled. travelers inside the airport told to shelter in place. hundreds more strded in their planes on the tarmac. one tweeting, you have a whole plane of people that are clearly not suspects. get us out of here. another, i don't understand closing the whole airport. >> i've never in my experience ever experienced anything like this. >> reporter: the airport has reopened but the investigation is just beginning. >> this just in, police in oklahoma are now saying that retaliation for circumstances that led to the attack a 2015 resignation was a likely motive, coming to us from the associated press. twitter purging me platform of prominent alt right advocates. alt right movement has been growing as of late with many supporters emboldened, they say, by donald trump's lex. among those suspended, the president of an alt right think tank who has said he wants blacks, asians, hispanics and jooup jews removed from the u.s. the social network has not given explanation for its actions but it comes after it announce new ways for users to complain about hateful content. according to "the new york times" report security contracts have discovered preinstalled software in some u.s. phones. they say that can monitor where users go, who they talk to and what they write in text messages. it's reportedly all going to china. acording to this report, american officials say it's unclear whether the secretive data mining is for advertising purposes or an effort by the chinese government to collect intelligence. united airlines will soon have a basic 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his transition despite what he says, reports there were some issues there. but steve bannon, chuck schumer answered the question, he said, you know, i've given my -- >> right. >> if steve bannon is the person that his words have indicated, that his website he leads have indicated, you would think this is open territory for democrats to say are you kidding me. in a coordinated way. >> i've actually seen it in a coordinated way. democrats, whether it was chuck schumer or down to people like bob casey, the democratic senator from pennsylvania. almost everyone i follow in the press release has ended up condemning bannon, asked for trump to fire him. right now, everything else is almost a guessing game. >> one is a big question. >> it is a very big question. but also as far as like whether they're coordinated on the other ones. we have to see how names go. i think president obama setting the tone, i think they're giving president-elect donald trump and the republicans a lot of breathing room now. what things look like come january 21st and january 22 n after the inauguration and once you have senate confirmation battles, that's where it's going to get interesting. >> is breathing room different from normalizing? you hear a lot on social media say yes there's one thing to extend a hand to the new president-elect, there's another thing in normalizing someone who according to reports is a supporter of alt right propaganda on his website. >> you and i have totally dug into steve bannon. i don't think anyone would say we've normalized that. on the other hand, when we talk about normalizing, donald trump did win the election, he won the republican primary season and in a lot of ways the voters normalized donald trump and the people he's putting. so i think we have to separate those out and ask the tough question, have the very tough scrutiny, but then also this donald trump was able to win and often by his own rules. >> that's a perfect pivot to senator-elect chris van holland of maryland. he is standing by. thank you for joining us. you've been quoted as saying trump should fire bannon. help me understand, you know, as mark murray pointed out, you have a candidate who, one, he's make his picks, but this particular hire, one out of two seems to not settle well with you. and some other -- and many other democrats. >> well, that's, tam ron. what we've said is we will work with the president-elect, work with donald trump where we find common ground. modernizing our national infrastructure, our roads, our bridges, our transit ways, broadband, clean energy. that's an area where we can work together. but it was incredibly troubling to hear on one night donald trump say he wants to be president for all americans. and then a few days later, elect a person who would continue sort of the ugly divisive nature that characterized the trump campaign for so many months. and steve bannon is the epit me of somebody who's tried to elevate himself and of course the president-elect in politics by turning americans against one another. so we took some heart when donald trump looked into the camera and said to anybody who's been engaging in sort of hate speech that they should cut it out. but we all know that actions speak louder than words. it's easy to look in the camera and tell people not to do something. to then turn around and appoint somebody who's been is up a fearmonger, somebody who has sort of steered resentment, is just a huge mistake. what donald trump needs to do start again and fire him. >> let's talk about -- as mark and others point out, donald trump won this election. well, so did barack obama. and that did not stop the tea party and the very night of his inauguration, members of the republican party, from plotting from that day to take down this president. how do you balance this idea of what president has said, wanting donald trump to succeed, but standing your ground as leaders of the democratic party? >> well, what i think is clear is that people want a common focus on things like jobs. on things like the economy. on things like modernizing our infrastructure. but i blome the overwhelming majority of americans, and, by the way, as we know, a majority americans voted for hillary clinton for president, did not want to turn back the clock on our march toward more social justice in this country. they want to continue to build a more perfect union. they don't want to divide the country. and so we will fight donald trump every step of the way. if he's talking about turning back the clock and dividg americans against one another. but we will look for ways to work on things like modernizing our infrastructure. >> all right, thank you so much. congratulations. we thank you for joining us of course. >> it's good to be with you. minnesota prosecutors just announced second degree manslaughter charges in the death of orlando castille. the african-american man shot and killed by st. anthony police officer. he was in the vehicle at the time with his girlfriend. you certainly recall she recorded this and broadcast the shooting on her facebook live account. her little daughter was also in the vehicle in the back seat of the car. so now we have an update on charges stemming from the death of castille. and up next, certainly something that will perhaps lift your spirits today. she lits my spirits either time i see her. simone biles will join us. she's got a new book out. simone is talking about the difficulties she faced from birth and how she became an olympic hero. we'll be right back. i was stoked. that's my holiday. we invented it. so i'm like, "pass the stuffing!" and... it's not stove top. and i'm like, "what?" i wait all year. 364 days to enjoy delicious stove top stuffing. it's what makes thanksgiving, thanksgiving. i had to get out of there. i faked an attack of scurvy. scurvy. works every time. he wears his army hat, he gets awalks aroundliments. with his army shirt looking all nice. and then people just say, "thank you for serving our country" and i'm like, that's my dad. male vo: no one deserves a warmer welcome home. that's why we're hiring 10,000 members of the military community by the end of 2017. i'm very proud of him. male vo: comcast. with so much talk about the division in the country right now i'm thehappy to say my next guest is someone who brings people here together. simona biles is here. she's nailed three world championships, won 19 international medals and set an american record for her gold in rio. her journey to making history has not always been easy and simone shares how she was in foster care at age 3 while her mom dealt with substance abuse issues and later adopted. i started crying forward on. simone biles enters the world of gymnasts started on a daycare field in spring, texas but her god given talent persevere anca got her. you were a late bloomer to the sport. >> yes. most people start in mommy and me classes when you start to walk. i started at 7. >> at 7. how did you catch up? was family? was at any time book as it said, your natural talent. >> natural atlanta. i was behind in some of the basic learning. so i had to work really hard at that for a couple of years. then rest i was pretty fearless, i caught on. just determination. >> were you nervous to write a memoir at 19? >> i was a little bit nervous to open up my story, but who i worked with was amazing. she made it easy for notice open up and talk about everything. you have to find someone you're super comfortable with. >> yesterday was world adoption day. were you surprised during rio -- i knew your story. i met your mom. i've been down to texas at the amazing gym. but were you surprised how people focused so heavily on that? >> i think everyone wanted a story so the story line went perfect with, i guess the success i had in rio so they really love that combination. but to me it's my paint. it's the success i had in rio. it wouldn't -- i wouldn't be here without my story because i probably wouldn't have become a gymnast. so i'm thankful and blessed. >> you talk about overhearing another coach when you went through a difficult spot in 2013 you know why she wrashed. she's too fat. how does she expect to compete like that. if she didn't like she swallowed a deer she wouldn't have fallen. how did you push through? >> the national team coordinator came over and talked to me because i went behind the curtains and i was crying really hard because i thought she would be mad at me and from the comment. i looked at my body, i'm a very petite girl. i don't find myself overweight or anything and i'm comfortable in my body. it was shocking to hear something like that. but, again, in a sport where we do, people are very judgmental about our bodies. i think all of us out there use our bodies for the better and like it all works for us. >> it definitely works for you. i don't know if using my body for the better would ever result in such greatness. what are you most looking forward to? i know you haven't been home for a while. your sister is there. your mom is in studio with us. >> going back home. being with the family. having a nice cood male. my mom wants to play "just dance." she can't wait so we can play it for thanksgiving. >> what's your home meal cooked. we both love sweet tooths. what's your home cooked meal. >> i want something like dirty rice. chicken. something my mom will cook. i don't know. i'm so excited. >> up haven't been home. they are so excited to have you there on sunday. the book is incredible. it's a beautiful story. and you're a beautiful human being. great to meet you and enjoy your family. my niece is getting this. tamron is getting it signed. we'll be right back. >> thank you. ♪ is it a force of nature? 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