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to the pandemic means europe will have to wait a little longer to defend their title against the usa in wisconsin. feeling upbeat during lockdown. we'll find out why pop music is getting jollier during this time of trouble. and if it's the rain outside not making you happy, i tell you something, brighter, drier weather is on something, brighter, drier weather isoni something, brighter, drier weather is on i will have your full forecast later. it's thursday 9 july. our top story: the cost of dealing with the coronavirus crisis now stands at nearly £190 billion, after the chancellor announced a raft of measures to help kick—start the economy. £30 billion will be used to help furloughed staff return to work, as well as cut to vat on tourism and hospitality. keith doyle reports. when it comes to staged photo calls, getting the chancellor to serve lunch is among the better ones although he wasn't quite sure who ordered the katsu curry. rishi sunak was highlighting his summer economic plan to prevent post pandemic mass unemployment. it's costing £30 billion that he told mps it was needed to rebuild the economy after coronavirus. although hardship lies ahead, no—one will be left without hope. so today we act with a plan forjobs. listening to the chancellor's plan for jobs for young people was this owner of a barbershop in cornwall. he says the range of measures announced means he can now recruit. that, for me, is a bit ofan can now recruit. that, for me, is a bit of an inspiration, for young people to come forward to us. we are quite happy to take applications from anybody. you know, we are crying out for staff. i could potentially take a couple of young people on. with many holiday plans on hold, the chancellor announced a vat holiday we can all take up. vat on restaurants, attractions, cinema and hotels will be cut from 20% to 596 and hotels will be cut from 20% to 5% to six months as well as a £10 per head meal deal discount to get us per head meal deal discount to get us to eat out on mondays, tuesdays and wednesdays in august and give desperately needed business to the restau ra nt desperately needed business to the restaurant trade. getting a fish finger sandwich. i think it would help, for sure. i personally would like a deal so i would go out on those days. another holiday from stamp duty on home purchases till march will help struggling buyers and boost the property market. there is also a green home is grand with cash available for people to make their homes more energy efficient. labour said the chancellor's lands did not go far enough and the job retention money, playing employs £1000 per employee to keep staff on untiljanuary, should be better targeted. some stood —— some tories also questioned the value of this plan. it's not enough to encourage employers to keep people on they otherwise wouldn't have kept on, that would simply be deadweight. this is money that hasn't actually resulted in greater employment at the end of the day. the government says this expensive plan is to prevent long—term damage. while the drinks may once again be flowing, eve ryo ne drinks may once again be flowing, everyone knows the bill will have to come eventually. keith doyle, bbc news. the government is facing criticism from politicians in leicester, after no extra financial support was announced for the city after it was placed back into lockdown. let's speak to our political correspondent jonathan blake. jonathan, what are the local politicians saying? so what is the problem there in terms of the support it needs? as the rest of england opens up in pubs, bars, restaurants and other businesses can start serving, lester is still in lockdown and many of the restrictions being eased elsewhere have in fact been tightened and it was an expert patient from those in the city and local politicians that the city and local politicians that the government would come forward and the chancellor will denounce that yesterday. that wasn't the case, leaving the shadow health secretaryjohn ashworth, lester case, leaving the shadow health secretary john ashworth, lester mp, the people have been left to worry about their livelihoods. he called it shocking. the local mayor, sir peter salisbury, says he is absolutely furious and described the situation as little. the government points to a £3.5 million discretionary fund which the city of leicester has been made available of and it's claimed that only £500,000 of that has been spent and it may be that there is more help from the government to come in the future. that will depend on how long lester stays in lockdown because businesses there the moment closed indefinitely and it's a very difficult situation for them. in terms of the chancellor's speech overall, yesterday, other areas people are picking up on were notable by their absence in support for gyms, the aviation industry, retail, the tourism sector and the hospitality sector is clearly a priority for the chancellor as you been hearing and is well this morning, the questions of how the chancellor is going to pay for all this. he doesn't have to tell us until the budget in the autumn. we'll be speaking to the chancellor, rishi sunak, just after 7:30. the cost of cremations has continued to rise despite restrictions on funeral services during the pandemic. two—thirds of councils in the uk have pressed ahead with price increases of up to 16%, but lockdown restrictions meant shorter services and fewer mourners allowed to attend. emily unia reports. doreen wilson died in march. she had lung cancer. her funeral took doreen wilson died in march. she had lung cancer. herfuneral took place at the start of lockdown. 0nly lung cancer. herfuneral took place at the start of lockdown. only a handful of mourners were allowed to attend and the service length was cut. the funeral procedure was a first only, no floral tributes and we would have to go on our own cars. we then have a service of 20 minutes and this felt unbelievably bad. we then have a service of 20 minutes and this felt unbelievably badm felt like a pauper ‘s funeral. some local authorities around the country have offered discounts during the pandemic at coventry wasn't among them. despite cutting the duration of funeral services, the council says its costs went up. we cut for two reasons, one was we had to introduce deep cleaning of the chapels between services and the other was to increase the number of service slots during the day. u nfortu nately service slots during the day. unfortunately that didn't decrease our costs, that increased it and we have not passed those additional costs on and we will not. the average cost of a local authority cremation is now 775 pounds. across the country, these range from 392 in belfast just under the country, these range from 392 in belfastjust under £1000 in worthing. 0ver belfastjust under £1000 in worthing. over the past decades, they risen an average £200 above the rate of inflation. this year, more than two—thirds of councils put their prices up by an average of 5%. these rises are far outside the means of the average person. let's just the start of the cost of a funeral. the average cost of a simple funeral across the uk at the moment is over £3700. if you are claiming certain benefits, you can get help from the government by applying for a funeral expenses payment but this doesn't cover everything and they can take a while to come through. people working in the funerals industry say councils of lost government funding and have had to upgrade equipped so service that were once subsidised now need to be realistically priced. arise to ta ke to be realistically priced. arise to take account of significant investments that local authorities have to make. many have put in new equipment to meet very strict emission controls. so for believed families, a funeral is a difficult first step in a long and painful process. “— first step in a long and painful process. —— retrieved. it comes with a big bill. for neville, a small show compassion from the council would have meant a lot. emily unia, bbc news. more than 3 million people in the united states have now tested positive for covid—19. figures from johns hopkins university show that there were more than 60,000 new infections across the us on tuesday — the largest daily increase recorded by any country. a woman has died and four other people have been injured after a crane fell onto homes in east london. the 20—metre crane collapsed at a building site and hit two terraced houses. dozens of residents have spent the night in temporary accomodation. climate experts warn there is a growing chance that global temperatures will exceed the critical threshold of 1.5 celsius above pre—industrial levels within the next five years. the world meteorological 0rganisation says the research highlights the scale of the challenge of keeping below dangerous levels of climate change. scientists say the arctic is likely to warm by twice the global average this year. do you listen to music to reflect the mood your own? yes. so if you are down, you would listen to moody music? well, if you are feeling down, you might go at it lead to something to lift your spirits. research has shown that songs released this year have been some of the fastest and most upbeat for years. # i'm blinded by the light. i can safely... research by the bbc has found that this year's top 20 best—selling tracks, including the weeknd's blinding light there, and harry styles' watermelon sugar have an average tempo of 122 beats per minute. that's the highest since 2009. when you are listening to your music and it's more upbeat, that's why. it hasn't been lifting or cheerful, has it? it's not precise science, is it? maybe there is a go to song. maybe there are things that gravitated towards. let's take a look at today's papers. the chancellor's summer statement dominates the front pages, with many of them featuring a photo of rishi sunak serving meals in a restaurant. "come dine with me", says the daily telegraph, highlighting the chancellor's plan to pay half the cost of a meal out for everyone to support the hospitality industry. "lunch is on rishi!" exclaims the daily mail, before adding: "but we'll all have to pick up the tab." however, it's all "chicken feed" to the daily mirror which points out the discount only operates three days a week in august. and the guardian says fears of mass unemployment persist following the statement. the paper quotes the unite union saying the refusal to extend the furlough scheme means a "tsunami" ofjob losses is looming. australia's biggest—selling newspaper, the herald sun, says a further increase of cases in the state of victoria is likely. today is the first day of melbourne's newly imposed lockdown. a quick look inside. this is gemma hart, obviously a very skilled baker. she makes things, shapes in the style of other things. that is a baked bean tin cake. and up that is a baked bean tin cake. and up here, you can see the interior. it's a sponge cake. what is the lead? it is also made of cake. you can't just say cake, lead? it is also made of cake. you can'tjust say cake, that is all—encompassing. what kind of icing is that? the whole thing is cake. it's all made of cake. that's the point. you what i find freaky about cake, whether people or animal ca kes ? cake, whether people or animal cakes? when there is a person in the shape of the cake, you slice into it, you always feel a bit bad. i imagine you would just go straight in. you will like this, sean. there he is. we haven't seen sean for months. how are you doing? crack on. i'm trying to draw you into the project. we all get people's names wrong sometimes and one thing you don't wa nt to sometimes and one thing you don't want to do is when you are starting a newjob at that loss's name wrong. —— get the bus's name wrong. people are urged to actually say their name on the site you can hear what it is before you go in and get it wrong. pardon? so do you know what linkedin is, sean? yes, charlie. you put profiles and things up there. instead of just profiles and things up there. instead ofjust writing your name they are urging people to give little video clips saying how you pronounce your name so that people don't get the name wrong the first time they meet you. i was confused. i thought you meant if i call you michael or something, you mean mispronouncing names? yes, well, thatis mispronouncing names? yes, well, that is calling me literally by someone that is calling me literally by someone else's that is calling me literally by someone else's name that is calling me literally by someone else's name but if my name was... well, i can't think of one right now, but it is that thing of pronouncing it, and so the first conversation you have is lovely to meet you, and you say it wrong the very first time, which just sounds bad, doesn't it? it sounds like you haven't done your research. bad, doesn't it? it sounds like you haven't done your researchlj bad, doesn't it? it sounds like you haven't done your research. i get that all the time, but then the person whose name you have pronounced wrong, it is then a bit awkward for them to kind of correct it and it is how do you correct it. if you let it persist for a period of time, and after it has been going on for months, you say actually my name isn't... on for months, you say actually my name isn't. .. you on for months, you say actually my name isn't... you say it this way, thatis name isn't... you say it this way, that is embarrassing. see-an, it is nice having you with us. have you heard of facebook, charlie? facebook, yes! we are going to speak with the chancellor at 7:30am this morning. a lot of people will be asking the question what difference will this make for them personally. how will it change their fortunes? and there are so many things. i will round upa and there are so many things. i will round up a few of those things we will be discussing this morning. a load riding on that speech from rishi sunak this morning. over 9 million workers are currently on furlough, having their wages subsidised through the job retention scheme, and that scheme due to be wound down over the next few months. many self—employed people either on short—term work or not able to work at all, and all those jobs in retail, hospitality and aviation under threat. so the chancellor announced some key measures to get the economy moving and jobs secured. one key measure was the job retention bonus. here, employers who bring back furloughed workers until the end ofjanuary will receive a one—off £1,000 payment for each employee. we heard about the kickstart scheme for younger people, where the government will subsidise six—month work placements for under—25s claiming universal credit and at risk of long—term unemployment. the cbi, the body that represents businesses, says the scheme will help some businesses, but called for more immediate direct support. the trade union body the tuc said the chancellor should have announced targeted support for the hardest—hit sectors, like manufacturing and aviation. we will be hearing from some small businesses at 7:10am to see what they think. then vat. we we re we were wondering all week whether we would hear something about it. to get consumers back out and spending, or to allow businesses to keep the savings, the chancellor announced a cut in vat, the tax paid on most things we buy, for hospitality and tourism down from 20% to 5% from next week until next january. the headline—grabber — an "eat out to help out" discount. 50% off bills in restaurants, cafes and pubs, up to a tenner per head for meals between monday and wednesday for the whole of august, as many times as you like. i'll be talking to a restaurant owner later to find out if these measures will help get her business back on its feet. and the housing market always a controversial one. people looking for something there. and homebuyers will be temporarily exempt from paying stamp duty paid on house purchases for the first £500,000 of any property bought. the increase in the threshold from £125,000 to £500,000 is effective immediately, and will run until the end of march 2021. so a lot in there for us to be digesting this morning. and lots to talk about with the variety of businesses and the chancellor who we have on this morning. we will be hearing from a lot of real—life people who are being affected by this, which i think is important as well. thanks, sean. nominations close today in the contest to become the next leader of the liberal democrats. voting begins later this month, with the winner announced in august. the party's acting leader, sir ed davey, and education spokesperson layla moran are seen as the frontrunners. 0ur political correspondent jessica parker has been to meet them. hi, i'm layla moran, and sending to be leader of the liberal democrats. hi, i'm sir ed davey, and i'm running to be leader of the liberal democrats. two people trying to rebuild their party after this. stop brexit! a message that didn't quite go to plan, written big and bold at the general election, it left them on the sidelines. in a snap, down to 11 mp5. on the sidelines. in a snap, down to 11 mps. the last election, i think we did make a mistake byjust focusing on one issue. a cabinet minister back in the coalition government, sir ed davey has had a hold of power. you might be experienced, but can he excite?” wa nt experienced, but can he excite?” want to change our country. i want to make sure it is a greener economy, it is a fairer country. we do value carers. and i've got a clear message, and i think that's actually exciting. it's notjust exciting for members. what we've got to be exciting for other voters. we got to get the voters realising that a liberal democrat would improve their lives, would help them in jobs, would help the environment, would help them in housing and education. these are the issues that vote rs ca re education. these are the issues that voters care about. we need to change, and that's what members up and down the country are saying. teacher by trade, layla moran is the lib dems' energetic education spokesperson. she wants an internationalist, green agenda, and says of her party... we lost trust, twice over. we lost it during coalition, when mistakes were made, and while people from the past had apologised, within didn't change. we didn't have actions that went with those words. most of our membership is new since that time, and i am a new mp since time —— we then didn't change. this would be the moment for us to show the country that we are revived, we are renewed, and to start to win back that trust, and it's going to take time. it won't be the first time the lib dems have tried to stage a comeback. fighting to be heard is one thing. actually chiming with voters another. the next general election may be years away, but the road to recovery so farfor away, but the road to recovery so far for the away, but the road to recovery so farfor the lib dems has proved to bea farfor the lib dems has proved to be a long one. it's fair to say it has been a strange few months for all of us, perhaps more so for children as they learn to live with a whole new set of rules. so what do you say to your kids when they ask tricky questions about the lockdown? here's jayne mccubbin with some top tips. hi, i'm georgia. iam hi, i'm georgia. i am sean. hi, i'm georgia. iam sean. iam eight. hi, i'm harry, and i'm eight years old. my name's aidan, and i am seven. and the last three months has been horrible. because i can't play football, i can't hang out with my friends. it's just football, i can't hang out with my friends. it'sjust been a bit weird. i kind of don't get it. aidan they're absolutely kneeling what so many of us feel. cast your mind back three months. there was only one rule, wasn't there? stay at home. that's it, stay home. now, it'sjust confusing. i feel like you can't keep remembering. kids like georgia are having to wrestle with a whole new ppe thing. when my mum had to go clatter bridge hospital, they got a mask on, and then we walked into the place, and then she for some reason told us to take a masks off and put their masks on. sean and aidan are getting used to a whole new social distancing thing. you have to stay two metres apart, originally. and now it's one metre, which is a bit weird. i guess it is like one metre plus... 0ne metre and one. weird. i guess it is like one metre plus... one metre and one. she is finding ita plus... one metre and one. she is finding it a bit difficult. we visited the park on saturday. the kidsjust wanted visited the park on saturday. the kids just wanted to run to each other. it is a huge change for them now to come back to where we came from. is gradually things have started to open up and we have been out and about and we have been in the car, and we have seen people congregating together in groups and stuff, i think it is a very mixed message for them. because i'm not sure what the rule is, really. you know, even the grown—ups are mixed up. if it is tough for the grown—ups, it is a potential nightmare for the kids, so let's put some of their burning questions to a pro. are you ready? ready as ever. excellent, 0k pro. are you ready? ready as ever. excellent, ok then. i don't know why we have to wear masks, because the virus can get in our eyes. at the minute, we know that the transmission rate happens through droplets, and the most amount of droplets, and the most amount of droplets are through your mouth and your nose, because you will coffin your nose, because you will coffin you will sneeze without knowing you are doing it, and that mask will protect that transmission.” are doing it, and that mask will protect that transmission. i don't get why the pubs are opening but all of us can't go back to school. because they tend to want to play and hunt their friends, because they tend to want to play and hunt theirfriends, that because they tend to want to play and hunt their friends, that they can pass it on, and also they don't have any symptoms themselves, and when they meet their grandparents, or somebody who is a little bit poorly, they can pass those bugs without knowing that they are doing that. hello! i don't get why some places have hand sanitisers and other places don't. ideally, as a doctor, i would like all places to have hand sanitiser, because it keeps you reminding. but also there is the argument that hand sanitiser doesn't get rid of the virus completely. i don't get why, when i've gone to see my grandad yesterday, i couldn't give him a hug. again, children don't have any symptoms, but they carry the virus, and the grandparents might be vulnerable. i don't get why, like, not that much people come to my back garden, but, like, you can bump into thousands of people at the supermarket. the reason that we are saying that people are limited in your home is because you are more likely to come into contact with them or touch them. those are questions that a lot of adults should be asking, but actually, as a mum and as a gp, i find that kids just get it. they are behaving just the way i would like them to. if adults would behave that way, that would be really lovely.” adults would behave that way, that would be really lovely. i second that. i think it is such an interesting notion. the way they were phrasing that, i don't get why the. i don't get why this. there are a lot of people asking those questions. the schools question and the pubs question is interesting, isn't it? because one of the things we have seen because one of the things we have seen with pubs is when social distancing, those rules disintegrate at the end of the evening, and playing and everything, i can see why the children are asking. now let's get the weather, with matt. a miserable morning here, matt, but a bit ofa a miserable morning here, matt, but a bit of a difference on the sofa, a lot more headroom in the camera three shot. looking good, charlie, well done. getting mine done as well. i thought you were going to say miserable weatherman, but not brilliant out there. we're talking about music to lift you this morning, whether not doing the job, raining quite heavily in some parts of the country. bear with it. give you a little bit of optimism because as we head towards the weekend, looking drierfor most as we head towards the weekend, looking drier for most of you, and there will be a good deal more sunshine around as well. the reason is we are going to say hello to high pressure. it is not going to last all the way into next week but certainly give most of us are fine we kept. 0ut there at the moment, back to the here and now, it is quite a tropical start across some of the south—east corner. some very humid air, 16 degrees, contrast that with six celsius across the highlands. there is some rain around. the heaviest rain at the moment across northern england, particularly across the m6 into corridor. 0utbreaks particularly across the m6 into corridor. 0utbrea ks of particularly across the m6 into corridor. outbreaks of rain, drizzle to the south, the heavier burst around east anglia and the south—east. that will clear away. the west of the heavy rain the studies and we will see skies brightened. lots of sunshine this morning, developing, brightening up in the far north of england as well. it is going to remain grey and rather drizzly, i think, it is going to remain grey and rather drizzly, ithink, throughout the day across southern counties of england, wales, into the midlands, the odd heavier burst still possible. that will affect the cricket, of course, at southampton every now and then. temperature is around 20 degrees. a big improvement, though, compared with this morning around northern england. especially cumbria and northumberland, lots of sunshine in northern ireland, one or two isolated showers to the south—east. but across southern part of scotland during the afternoon there could be some heavy and thundery downpours. escape them and your day will be largely dry but it will be fresher here compete with other parts of the country. temperature is really in the mid—teens. let's go through the evening and overnight. the showers continuing east of scotland and will see some heavier downpours developed eastern parts of england. starry skies, the best of it out was the west, but coolest conditions here. down into single figures. temperatures still in the mid—teens across parts of east anglia and the south—east into tomorrow morning. now, here we go with friday. showers across eastern scotland, eastern counties of england. it is these encounters of england where we could seize a heavy ones developed through the day. maybe the odd one into parts of north—west england as well. sunshine and shower mix in scotland and northern ireland. but for much of wales, southern counties of england, tomorrow looking a lot brighter than today. much more sunshine around, but it will be afresh today, by and large. temperatures for of you staying in the team throughout. and with that fresher error in place, a cooler note than to take us through friday night into saturday morning. weekend away from the city centre start to be temperatures down in single figures. but saturday itself should bea dry figures. but saturday itself should be a dry and sunny start for the vast majority. we will see cloud gradually build—up through the day. north—west england, west of scotland, northern ireland, chance ofan scotland, northern ireland, chance of an isolated shower developing later on, but most places will stay dry. which is again a little bit down on where we should be for the time of year. but into sunday, where we see rain late in the day for western scotland and northern ireland, most of us have a dry day for sunday and a much sunnier one further south, and it will feel cool as well. so there you go. after the woodland trust is asking for suggestions on what to name them. two popular name suggestions are dotty where who celebrated his birthday on the weekend and captain tom, who raised so much money walking around his garden. —— doddie weir. is the mother 0sprey keeping an eye? are they all in there? had just coming up in time stop what i love is the greenery behind them as well, it's beautiful. enjoy that. we'll bring you all the latest news and sport in a moment, but also on breakfast this morning: from vat cuts, to eating out and buying a home — this morning we're looking at what the chancellor's spending plans mean for you. rishi sunak joins us on the programme at 7:30. as the ryder cup is postponed until 2021 because of the pandemic, ireland's padraig harrington will tell us why playing without a crowd just wasn't an option. and have you noticed that music seems a little more upbeat recently? research shows 2020's biggest hits are faster and happier than they've been for years. we'll be finding out why, with the help of music star mnek, later. good morning, here's a summary of today's main stories from bbc news. the cost of dealing with the coronavirus crisis now stands at nearly £190 billion after the chancellor announced a raft of measures to help kick—start the economy. £30 billion will be used to help furloughed staff return to work, as well as a cut to vat on tourism and hospitality. reaction from businesses has been mixed, with some sectors, including aviation, saying they've been ignored. the cost of cremations has continued to rise —— more than 3 million people in the united states have now tested positive for covid—19. figures from johns hopkins university show that there were more than 60,000 new infections across the us on tuesday — the largest daily increase recorded by any country. a woman has died in for other people have been injured after a crane fell into homes in east london. it hit two terrace houses. dozens of residents have spent the night in temporary accommodation. it's 6:33am. it's time for our regular appointment with a gp. we're joined today by dr rosemary leonard. good morning. how are you? i am fine. if one of your patients came in and said i am fine, you wouldn't accept that. i need a little more. how are things in surgery, are people coming back? yes, they are. it's getting back to what we call the new normal. gp surgeries everywhere have changed and almost certainly for good. we have new working practices. we can't have people just walking anymore we haven't got room in the waiting room, we have to space out the chairs and the patients we see so like every gp surgery, we are now speaking to our patients on the phone or emailing them before we have them coming into the building. it's an interesting time in the moment. the government is very keen to get people spending money again. that means opening things up. we used to have the message, stay home, that was the message. now we are being actively encouraged, saying he will pick up some of the tab, rishi sunak, if you go out for a meal. when you hear those messages, what do you think? what concerns do you have? we do need to get back to some more normality. i've still got a lot of patients who are terribly scared of patients who are terribly scared of leaving their homes. we have shielding coming, but so many patients are saying, i'm scared to go out. we do need to reassure people and get use the social distancing. people have to get used to masks. i hate wearing a mask and i have to do it all day long and my noseit i have to do it all day long and my nose it isn't might base feels sweaty, no—one likes wearing a mask but it's something we're going to have to get used to when we are out and about. it's an interesting question about that. the people who have been shielding for example who can go out, and i don't know what the people who are coming into the surgery the people who are coming into the surgery telling you, even those not shielding possibly still have concerns of how quickly they will go back to the normal. a lot of people are very scared. a lot of young people are being very careful but some are less cautious and happy to go out to pubs, restaurants and not observing social distancing but at the other end of the scale, i've got patients who say we're not going anywhere. we can't do that forever. we don't know about a second wave. for the time being, not today, i mean, it's all full here in the south, it's pouring with rain. get outside. get some exercise, it's really good for you. there has been as you know a lot of talk of the second wave and real concern and indeed, we're looking at the local lockdown in leicester, that is possibly the way this will work now. there will be pockets. the real concern is, is there a genuine second wave? in what sense are you preparing for that and how do you see that as a genuine risk? like all gps, at my surgery, a real concern if there is a second wave, it will coincide with a cold and flu season coming in the autumn which we get every autumn. we will get people with coughs and colds and fevers. they just got a with coughs and colds and fevers. theyjust got a cold. what we have to do now is get ahead of all the reviews, that we put on hold over the last few months. i think a lot of patients, those with diabetes and high blood pressure, will find their gp surgeries are contacting them now while we can, let's get your blood pressure checked and hopefully we won't get a second wave but if we do in the winter, it's going to be mayhem. if you have a long—term condition and you see on your prescription that you are due a medication review, now is the time to get it done. hopefully it's going to get it done. hopefully it's going to stay as a lull but we don't know. you will be well aware, rosemary, and medicine is your thing, but these two things are tied together. real worries about unemployment up ahead and that in turn can lead to people becoming very stressed and very anxious and there will be people in that situation now, is that something you are seeing? are you having patients coming in and talking about those issues already? we have seen a huge surge in people contacting us with anxiety, depression, stress related disorders. it's to be expected. we can help. we try not to dole out pills because they are not the a nswer to pills because they are not the answer to this but we have got access to psychological therapies where you can talk to your worries. sometimes you can do that type of therapy on line. the other thing that gp practices have is called a social prescriber. these are people who have come in the last year and they are there to help people navigate their way through the benefit system as much as anything else. what we are doing, our social prescriber, jane, she is incredibly busy and we are sending patients to her, patients who have lost their job, they are furloughed at the moment, can't pay rent. "i can't pay my food bills, where do i go for help? " and social prescriber is at gp surgeries can offer advice on that please contact your surgery. it may be something you haven't heard before but they are out there to help you. one last thought if i may, it's kind of going back to basics. we know that as things ease up in terms of the lot down as they definitely are now, so many people are saying the test and trace system is important. as we do this alongside, the test and trace system has to work. what kind of involvement do you have in people being conscious and reporting in, referencing with you, with covid—19. we've seen a big fall in the gp surgeries. people are asking for antibody tests. there is a huge demand but we don't know what a positive antibody test means. if you can't get the virus or not. we are seeing fewer patients with symptoms. there seems to be fewer patients who got fevers, loss of taste and smell. at the moment, we seem to have a lull but it is important, if you do have symptoms, contact us and go directly on line and get a test done and co—operate with the test and trace and co—operate with the test and tra ce syste m and co—operate with the test and trace system so people you've been in contact with can go into self isolation. rosemary, lovely to chat with you. is your surgery open shortly, are you on duty? yes, shortly, are you on duty? yes, shortly but instead of seeing patients, i will be on my computer replying to their emails for the first half of the morning, a com plete first half of the morning, a complete change. doctor rosemary lennard speaking to us this morning. no ryder cup coming up. not this year. holly, good morning. i've been fortu nate year. holly, good morning. i've been fortunate enough to go to a ryder cup but the crowds make it. you cannot have the crowds there and the gulf is saying it won't be the same. exactly. that's the thing. if you ever watched it, that's what you think about, the crowds and the team, team europe, the flags and getting the hall from the americans, the fact that is not happen, it was inevitable they couldn't go ahead with the ryder cup this september. europe captain padraig harrington says it was the right decision to postpone it for a year because of the pandemic. they were due to defend their crown against the united states in wisconsin in late september. many players had already said the competition was nothing without the fans and the organisers decided against playing behind closed doors. even at the practice days of the ryder cup, there is nervousness and there is excitement and then five matches and players with the adrenaline and i've seen over the yea rs, adrenaline and i've seen over the years, the amount of players who have increased their personality because of the crowds and it would because of the crowds and it would be missing and it wouldn't be a ryder cup and it wouldn't be why the players love it so much, without having the pounds —— the fans. the women's team competition, the solheim cup, is sticking to its plan to play next year, just three weeks before the ryder cup, so it's going to be a fantastic september next year for golf fans. after waiting all that time for that first test against the west indies — england's patience was tested a little more. the weather dominated day 1 at the ageas bowl yesterday with several rain breaks meaning only 7 overs were completed — they'll resume on 35 for! later. joe wilson has the details. for the first time anywhere in the world since march, professional cricketers took to the field. the silence was for the whims of covid and the great sir indian but in sir everton weeks. so much of the world has changed, others make us consider how much changes yet to the west indies players were black gloved today just as two indies players were black gloved todayjust as two black indies players were black gloved today just as two black sprinters wore in protest at the olympics over 50 yea rs wore in protest at the olympics over 50 years ago. both teams wore the black lives matter symbol. while there are no spectators, no saliva allowed on the ball but the eternal rules of cricket still a gripe eczema apply. that is emphatically out. don simply gone with england's total, none. watching the stadium, one man and a dog. well, a few more in that but there is safety in a lack of numbers. the absence of crowd reaction when a ball goes for four is something we will have to go get used to but it will happen. importantly, england didn't lose their wickets. they will resume today under sunny skies. maybe. remember those early perfect summer days of lockdown? well, cricket is back. his first as a covid captain was coin toss. decide to bat and then remember not to shake hands. joe wilson, bbc news. liverpool are still on course to break manchester city's premier league points record. mo salah scored twice as they won 3—1 at brighton. they now have 92 points with four games to go. the record is 100. further south, and it will feel cool as well. so there you go. after if we in the end we get a record, good. if not, it is still an exceptional season. the only thing i know now as we have 92 points, and with 97, that is five points more than now. we played an outstanding season. i have no idea how we did that. it is unbelievable. so the only thing we have pushed out, week by week, is to the next game, and we wa nt to by week, is to the next game, and we want to win it. and i would be happy with that. second placed city bounced back from their defeat at southampton, thumping newcastle united 5—0 — five different scorers on the sheet, david silva's superb free kick the best of the goals. sheffield united are looking strong in their bid to qualify for a major european competition for the first time. john edgar scored in injury time to give them a 1—nil win over wolves. united are up to seventh now, just a point behind wolves. and west ham remain in relegation danger after losing 1—0 at home to burnley, jay rodriguez with the goal. and finally, how about this for an absolute monster of a kit from loch ness fc? the club are part of the north caledonian league, and their new shirt proudly displays the loch ness monster. they're still looking for a sponsor. this kit might help the cause. apparently they've already had orders from the usa, canada, the netherlands and germany. i have to say, i am pretty impressed with it. i am not going to make any assumptions, but charlie, i don't reckon you own a football shirt and i reckon even you would wear that. that is a huge assumption to make. is wholly correct? i am just saying it isa is wholly correct? i am just saying it is a huge assumption to make. do you have a football shirt? shirt with a club logo on it? no. it wasn't that huge and assumption. with loch ness, do you want the white one of the black one? the black one. i could see that on charlie. we will club together, secret centre, and all that. sorted. have you noticed that music seems a bit more upbeat recently? apparently 2020's top chart hits are faster and happier than they've been for years. so could we be turning to cheery pop tunes to help get us through the pandemic? 0ur entertainment correspondent colin paterson has been finding out. 2020, and music is getting faster. tracks by the weekend... duo lipa... and stjohn mean that the top 20 selling singles of the year have an average tempo of 122 beats per minute. the fastest it has been for more than a decade. camille has written number one singles for little mix and queen bandit. she has a theory about why things are speeding up. people just a theory about why things are speeding up. peoplejust want a theory about why things are speeding up. people just want to get to the point, really. i think that goes across all areas of our lives, whether it is politics, or even with food, i feel like the fact that the songs are faster means that the chorus will come quicker and it means that you get to that point in the song where you dance you do something a lot faster —— kamille. when you are writing, do you think about how a fast song will impact on the listener, both physically and mentally? i don't know about you, but when i hear something fast i am like... ijust but when i hear something fast i am like... i just want to get but when i hear something fast i am like... ijust want to get into it. my like... ijust want to get into it. my heart starts to race, and itjust com pletely my heart starts to race, and itjust completely changes your whole mood. soi completely changes your whole mood. so i think it isjust kind of like a little natural high, almost, you know, when you get that vibe that you arejust... for know, when you get that vibe that you are just... for example, know, when you get that vibe that you arejust... for example, a perfect example of this song is take on me. the minute that comes on, you arejust on me. the minute that comes on, you are just like... on me. the minute that comes on, you arejust like... the on me. the minute that comes on, you are just like... the other trend is that the most popular songs this year are happy ones. i has a magic which gives tracks the happiness rating out of 100. the average has been steadily rising for two years —— spotify has a metric. jake's slide is the happiest of his hits, with a rating of 84, and lady gaga, ed sheeran and taylor swift are all making far happier music than they we re making far happier music than they were at the middle of the decade. 0ne band who have been thinking a lot about this are liverpool's circa waves. they had a top five album this year with sad happy. the concept, one side of sad songs, the other side of happy songs. and it turns out their fans have been streaming the happiest side more, reflecting what is happening in music generally. i do think it is probably because of the current climate, and things that have just gone on recently. brexit happened, and now we're in a pandemic, and is co nsta ntly and now we're in a pandemic, and is constantly kind of bad at the moment, if that makes sense, and we just need a little bit of escapism, and happy music is a form of therapy, probably, ithink four people. although kieran thinks things will change once more if the songs created during lockdown are released. there is happy music out now, but that wasn't written, you know, in this pandemic. so in a few months' time, you will probably get a lot more sort of moody music coming out, and i do think it is a cyclical thing. i think eventually people will get sick of happiness and wanta people will get sick of happiness and want a bit more... probably when billie eilish releases her next record, that is when it could get sad again. yes, things could be about to slow down pretty sharpish. quite a bit of the programme this morning taking a look at what the chancellor announced yesterday. the snp says the chancellor's plans for the economy threaten scotland's recovery from coronavirus, after rishi sunak confirmed the end of the furlough scheme. the party says the decision will cause lasting damage to the economy. the snp's westminster leader, ian blackford, joins us now. good morning to you. so how is ending the furlough scam, which can't, i think most people agree, go on forever, what is the alternative? of course the furlough scam can't go on forever, but let's remember that what governments have done, rightly, is that the economy down in order that we can stop the spread of the virus. and so we have a responsibility as governments to make sure that we are supporting businesses and individuals for as long as it is necessary. and i think it is interesting thatjp morgan made the statement yesterday that removing the furlough scheme before the end of the process is like finishing a building three quarters through before you have got to the end of the bridge. i suspect that what is going to now take place at many employers, they are going to say we're not going to get back to business as usual. there is a long road in front of us, and the government is removing support far too early. that the point. if i look across the highlands and islands, we are very across the highlands and islands, we are very much dependent upon the tourist industry. there is going to bea tourist industry. there is going to be a season this year. it is in effect like having three winters, last winter, the one we are in on the one to come. and the support simply isn't there for long enough. and we need to recognise responsibility not just and we need to recognise responsibility notjust in the furlough scheme but also in terms of kickstarting the economy, getting investment into the economy. and quite simply what we got from the chancellor yesterday didn't go far enough. there is a lack of ambition. let's deal with one subject at a time. let's talk about furlough, and then we can talk about what the chancellor answered, —— chancellor said yesterday. we need to keep the fellow in place for as long as is necessary a cross fellow in place for as long as is necessary across the four nations. but let's be honest. we're probably in recession and we're probably going to continue in recession and we are seeing lots of industries, the hospitality, entertainment and a rts the hospitality, entertainment and arts industry, really struggling. it is not going to end four months, if we are being realistic. so are you saying it indefinitely, it could be yea rs ? saying it indefinitely, it could be years? no, i am not saying that at all. what i am saying is that we need to give the time it is necessary to allow these industries to recover. so if we take the tourism and hospitality industry, i would expect that we will start to recover in a meaningful way as we come into the spring of 2021. but we need to create that bridge into that period. if not, the stark reality is, as the house of commons library has suggested, we could be looking at unemployment as high as 3.8 million. there is no point having had the support for the last few months, which has stopped people going on the unemployment register, then you kick a that support in the last few weeks and months, when you need it there to support people back into work. and of course, it needs to have the flexibility over that period, as well. that is what is missing. and so what i'm suggesting to the chancellor is creating the circumstances that, rather than keeping people on the books of companies that won't be returning to work, that what we are going to see isa work, that what we are going to see is a much more meaningful rise of unemployment than is necessary, and people having to depend on universal credit. that is not right. we need to a cce pt credit. that is not right. we need to accept the responsibilities that we have created these circumstances, and we need to have that support in place as long as business needs it. and that is the point, and i think that's why people today are pretty disappointed with what the chancellor has done. how would you have funded the extended furlough scheme? well, we know that this is expensive. no—one is arguing that it is not. so we need to fund that out of taxation. but that is why i am saying that we need a plan for recovery, that we need a plan to make sure we can get investment into our economy, that we can grow productivity, that we generate the taxation receipts. but there is a timing issue to this. and that is why i argue that if you look at other countries, like germany, their plan is over 4% of gdp. for us, that would have been an investment plan yesterday of £80 billion, not the £30 billion that we saw. so it is a paucity of ambition from the chancellor, recognising that to get this economy going again we need to get investment and growth up. we all agree with that. but it is how you do that. so say the chancellor comes around to your way of thinking, extends the furlough scheme, let's say, two spring 2021. when would that increase in taxation, reality and who would be the hardest? well, at the end of the day it's about the government using the stabilisers to get the economy going. that's what the responsibility of any government is at this point. and i want to make sure that we have as strong a recovery as is possible. if we have an increase in unemployment and businesses go bust over the course of the next few months, the net restrict the capacity and the economy. i want to make sure that we've got that capacity and we are ready for growth. let's invest in our infrastructure. let's take this as an opportunity that we are ready for the new green economy, that we transition towards that. so there area transition towards that. so there are a lot of things that we could be doing. we could be stepping up house insulation in a much more meaningful way, the shift towards green transport, for example. there are lots of things that we know that we can do that would be labour intensive, that would get people back to work. but let's make sure this government is taking that responsibility while working with the private sector to make sure that we have that transition towards that varied economy and greener economy and one that puts people back to work. i asked you about who would be taxed and when that would kick in, those rises in taxes would kick in. well, you would have to in the first case recognise that you need to see an increase in the short term in order that you create the circumstances that you are going to generate increased tax revenues because you have got stronger growth. in the round, if you have to see an increase in taxation in the short term in order to fund that, then of course you would look at that. the emphasis i am talking about is creating the circumstances for growth. you will create the taxation receipts over the medium and longer term in order to pay for this. but we have a terrible record over the last ten years of growth. we have a terrible record on improving wages. we have a terrible record of improving productivity. we need to tackle all of these things, and that is the way that you pay for this. thank you very much for talking to us this morning. here is matt with a look at this morning's weather. good morning. good morning, both. we saw sunshine there in western scotla nd saw sunshine there in western scotland streaming through the window. much clear skies for many but there is some —— much greyer skies for many but something brighter said to peter as we reached was that we can. you could probably do with atticus england and wales in particular. heaviest rainjust do with atticus england and wales in particular. heaviest rain just south of the m62 now but particularly across parts of yorkshire and lincolnshire. that will gradually ease way through the morning. saying pretty damp further south, but scotla nd pretty damp further south, but scotland and northern ireland, increasing amount of sunshine coming through for a while, before some heavy showers developed later in the day. let's take a look around this afternoon, because it is going to stay rather grey and drizzly across many parts of central, southern england and wales through the afternoon. the rain and drizzle is going to come and go. it is going to be light and patchy than this morning. so in southampton they could be some cricket, a bit more around today, but still be some interruptions at times. a vastly improved afternoon through northern england, a little in the cooler side, but sunshine out in cumbria. northumberland later, and sunny spells continuing for much of northern ireland and scotland. but across southern and eastern scotland, be prepared. there will be some heavy and maybe even thundery downpours to take us through the second half of the afternoon. and here, temperatures in the midteens. as for this evening and overnight, well, the showers continue in parts of northern and eastern scotland that we will see some heavy showers developed eastern counties of england. further west, across the country, we will have some clear skies, starry conditions to take us into tomorrow morning, but temperatures here more widely into single figures. still in the mid teens in the south—east corner. but it is across eastern areas where we start with the cloud tomorrow. the greatest chance of some rain showers around, and through the day they could become heavy eastern parts of england. the odd rumble of thunder. the odd shower elsewhere, but actually, for many, increased amounts of sunshine and much sunnier, dry day through southern counties of england and through much of wales compared with today. temperatures, though, will be a little bit down, i suspect. most of us having a day where temperatures are in the teens. and a cool night will follow, to take us into the start of the weekend. temperatures away from the city centres will be down in single figures as we go into saturday morning. but the pressure chart shows something that properly most of you won't want to see this weekend. high—pressure building and, hi generally means much, much drier. will be one or two showers around on saturday, though. saturday the showers in western scotland, north—west england and north wales later on. most start with barely cloud in the sky. cloud gradually builds up through the day. temperatures will start to lift up a little bit relative to friday's values. as i said, most will be dry. an into sunday, lovely, sunny start. rain later into western scotland and northern ireland, but most will stay dry, and feeling warm in the sunshine. that is how your weather is looking. we will have more, of course, throughout the morning. but for the time being, it is the latest headlines. good morning. welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. 0ur headlines today: £30 billion to kick start the economy. but is it enough to get britain back to work? people need to know that although hardship lies ahead, no—one will be left without hope. we'll be speaking to the chancellor later in the programme to ask whether cuts to vat, stamp duty and half price meal deals will get the uk through the coronavirus crisis. we'll be hearing from pub and restaurant owners about whether that will help, and seeing what difference all this could make for those who feel they've been left behind. the mayor of london says lessons must be learned after a crane collpsed on a row of houses in east london killing a woman and injuring several others no ryder cup this year. its postponement due to the pandemic means europe will have to wait a little longer to defend their title against the usa in wisconsin. it's thursday 9 july. our top story: the cost of dealing with the coronavirus crisis now stands at nearly £190 billion, after the chancellor announced a raft of measures to help kick—start the economy. £30 billion will be used to help furloughed staff return to work, as well as cut to vat on tourism and hospitality. keith doyle reports. when it comes to staged photo calls, getting the chancellor to serve lunch is among the better ones, although he wasn't quite sure who ordered the katsu curry. is that what you ordered? rishi sunak was highlighting his summer economic plan to prevent post—pandemic mass unemployment. it's costing £30 billion that he told mps it was needed to rebuild the economy after coronavirus. although hardship lies ahead, no—one will be left without hope. so today we act with a plan forjobs. listening to the chancellor's plan for jobs for young people was this owner of a barbershop in cornwall. he says the range of measures announced means he can now recruit. that, for me, is a bit of an inspiration for young people to come forward to us. we are quite happy to take applications from anybody. you know, we are crying out for staff. i could potentially take a couple of young people on. with many holiday plans on hold, the chancellor announced a vat holiday we can all take up. vat on restaurants, attractions, cinemas and hotels will be cut from 20% to 5% for six months, as well as a £10—per—head meal deal discount to get us to eat out on mondays, tuesdays and wednesdays in august and give desperately needed business to the restaurant trade. £10 for the meal, get a fish finger sandwich. i think it would help, for sure. i personally would like a deal so i would go out on those days. another holiday from stamp duty on home purchases till march will help struggling buyers and boost the property market. there is also a green homes grant, with cash available for people to make their homes more energy—efficient. labour said the chancellor's plans did not go far enough, and the job retention money, paying employers £1000 per employee to keep staff on untiljanuary, should be better targeted. some tories also questioned the value of this plan. it's not enough to encourage employers to keep people on who they otherwise wouldn't have kept on, then that will just simply be deadweight, i.e, this is money that hasn't actually resulted in greater employment at the end of the day. the government says this expensive plan is to prevent long—term damage. while the drinks may once again be flowing, everyone knows the bill will have to come eventually. keith doyle, bbc news. let's speak now to our political correspondent jonathan blake who's in westminster. jonathan, there's been a mixed reaction to the chancellor's announcement? it's worth saying that the numbers we are talking about are astronomical, they are mind—boggling. the real question is, what effect will they have? huge figures involved charlie, you are right, and it's worth letting the dust settle on those announcements to consider the overall cost of the government response to coronavirus, the things that rishi sunak told us yesterday would cost a further £30 billion in some of the treasury figures put out are worth looking at closer. £15 billion on personal protective equipment, £10 billion on the test and trace programme so the total in terms of a response to coronavirus really is mounting up and with that additionalfunding really is mounting up and with that additional funding and spending announced by the chancellor yesterday, we don't know how he's going to for it. he will tell us that at the budget in march. the deficit, the gap between the amount the government gets in through taxes and the amount it spends is rising and the amount it spends is rising and rising to around £300 billion and rising to around £300 billion and it's the biggest it's been as a portion of the economy this for many, portion of the economy this for any portion of the economy this for many, many decades. there has been criticism of the chancellor's announcement yesterday from his political opponents. labour is saying it did not go far enough, that he needs to continue sector specific support those parts of the economy that can't open another parts of the economy looking on retail, saying they'd like a bit of that tax cut offered to tourism and the aviation industry and gyms as well who are all still struggling as well, saying there was little help for them. we'll be speaking to the chancellor, rishi sunak, just after 7:30. the cost of cremations has continued to rise despite restrictions on funeral services during the pandemic. according to research by bbc local radio, two—thirds of councils in the uk have pressed ahead with price increases of up to 16%. lockdown restrictions meant shorter services and fewer mourners allowed to attend. this more than 3 million people in the united states have now tested positive for covid—19. figures from johns hopkins university show that there were more than 60,000 new infections across the us on tuesday — the largest daily increase recorded by any country. an investigation has started after a woman was killed when a crane fell onto homes in east london. four other people were injured when the 20—metre crane collapsed and hit two terraced houses. dozens of residents have spent the night in temporary accomodation. an investigation is now under way. this mobile phone footage shows the devastation left behind after a crane collapsed yesterday in east london. the 20 metre crane, still under construction when the incident took place, fell onto a building site and crashed into two terrorist houses. a woman was found on the first floor of one of the houses and died on the scene. four others were injured with two people taken to hospital with head injuries. a spokesperson for swan housing association said: around 40 people upward to have spent the night in emergency accommodation because of the damage to nearby houses. it's not clear when they will be able to return their homes. this will be a protracted incident. the scene itself will need to be made safe and secure itself will need to be made safe and secure with the london fire brigade standing by to support safety with the local authority and the police and other agencies that need to be involved. the mayor of london sadiq khan said the incident was a tragedy and lessons must be learned. josh parry, bbc news. climate experts warn that global temperatures could exceed the critical threshold of 1.5 celsius above pre—industrial levels within the next five years. the world meteorological 0rganisation says the research highlights the scale of the challenge of keeping below dangerous levels of climate change. scientists say the arctic is likely to warm by twice the global average this year. for the past few weeks we've been following the story of louis and aila — two ospreys nesting at loch arkaig pine forest. we now know that their newborn chicks are two males and a female. the woodland trust is asking for suggestions on what to name them. two popular name suggestions are doddie weir and captain tom. these are live images we are showing. the woodland trust is asking for suggestions on their names. it is something about this image. it is very calming. the sky looks so moody and dramatic, it's fabulous. and the chicks are more at than an hourago fabulous. and the chicks are more at than an hour ago when we last saw them. 0ne one of the questions being asked about the chancellor's announcement yesterday is... sorry, i completely lost my train of thought. 0ne yesterday is... sorry, i completely lost my train of thought. one of the questions is on how this will be paid for. what about those people being left behind? where are we going next? we are going to shorten was looking at the impact on real lives. big numbers, but it has an impact somewhere. the chancellor acknowledged that one of the key issues that people have right around the country is thatjobs for businesses and workers could well be on the line. one of the reasons is that furloughing, 9 million, having their wages subsidised by the government. this is being wound down over the next few months until 0ctober so the big question is, what happens next? part of that plan from the chancellor is the job retention bonus will come into play, but this is where £1000 payments will be made to employers who keep their staff on who had been furloughed and bring them back to work to the end of january so they will get that bit of encouragement to some businesses to do that. next up, the problem we've got with younger people is that they may be affected more than others so the kickstart scheme, the wages of 16-24 the kickstart scheme, the wages of 16—24 —year—olds being subsidised for six—month placements that they could go on with employees. if they are on universal credit and if they are on universal credit and if they are at risk of long—term unemployment. a few things there the chancellor thinks would hope to boost jobs. when we chancellor thinks would hope to boostjobs. when we look at retailers around the country. looking at some of these schemes and thinking how can i capitalise on that. . the vat cut was a big one as well. a lot of businesses have been wondering how that would affect them. a lot of restaurant owners are looking at the detail to see if they will be affected. the big thing we we re will be affected. the big thing we were waiting for with the vat cut and when it was announced and i saw it was cut 25%, i jumped and when it was announced and i saw it was cut 25%, ijumped up and down in our living room and i eagerly texted our directors and i read the small print and saw it didn't include alcohol, it doesn't actually help us a great deal. i did like the stimulus that he gave the people to come out and eat mid—week but again, that was an incentive based around people consuming food and non—alcoholic drinks. people consuming food and non-alcoholic drinks. a lot of retailers were disappointed that high street stores want included in that vat cut. it's another expensive package of measures. my business was excluded from any schemes, any support. we can't even furlough ourselves because we pay our paye annually and this year it was after the 19th of march, completely within the 19th of march, completely within the normal government guidelines but taking us out of the ability to go onto the furlough scheme. something easy to fix. why is the chancellor not engaging with us? why is the chancellor ignoring us? why are we forgotten? company directors like tracy in this long list of people who feel like they've had no direct help right from the beginning when the chancellor was making these announcements and it's something that's been a big problem that we talked about for months, those people who feel like they've got nothing. it's very frustrating and we will talk to the chancellor. we'll put some of those issues to him. it's thought around 3 million people, including some self—employed and small business owners, have been left ineligible for any government help during the pandemic. the campaign group excluded uk says it has left people without any form of income and fearing for the future. we're joined now by the group's spokesperson, ellie phillips, and self—employed curtain fitter mark whittaker. good morning to you both. mark, maybe we can start with you. so people understand your circumstances and how it is you are not eligible for any of the arrangements that have been set up, can you just explain that? for the time being, it is the latest headlines. well, basically, iset well, basically, i set up in business in october 2018. prior to that, i was employed, and because my overall earnings for the year, the greater proportion of it was for employment and my self—employment, that automatically despise you from the self—employed support scheme. right, so that means you are precluded from being part of that. rishi sunak yesterday, when he made his announcement in the house of commons, said one phrase that many people have latched onto. he said no—one, mark, and i addressed this to you, rishi sunak‘s statement yesterday, no—one will be left without hope. i wonder, when you heard those words, what did you think? frankly, i burst out laughing. he has left the excluded 3 million plus without hope for the last 3— four months. it is nonsense, frankly. it is empty words, and it is meaningless. can i ask you, mark, in practical terms, what does without hope look like for you and yourfamily, without hope look like for you and your family, and how life without hope look like for you and yourfamily, and how life is right now? how is life for anybody? we are without any income. how are people supposed to survive with no money coming in? it is ridiculous. i wouldn't treat a dog the way he is treating them. mark, what do you need? what do you need right now? we need? what do you need right now? we need parity. we need the same support that every other section of society have received. and rightly so. society have received. and rightly so. i take my hat off to the chancellor for doing that much. but why stop? why has a line in the sand been drawn? we are still citizens of this country, no matter how we pay our tax. it is obscene, what's been done to us. ellie, can you reflect on what mark has said? i imagine you are on what mark has said? i imagine you a re pretty on what mark has said? i imagine you are pretty much in a similar situation, and you have set up this group, obviously, to campaign to try to get more equanimity, i suppose, and treatment that you see as pharaoh. yes, i am actually a spokesman for the 1.7 million forgotten, and for excluded uk, which has been set up to support the 3 million plus who have been excluded from this. and mark's story, unfortunately, is one of millions. we hear from people every day who are really beyond it now. like you said, it has been four months and these people have had zero income for that length of time, for the most arbitrary reasons. you mentioned the 50% rule, which a lot of taxpayers are prevented from accessing this support. and i think the thing is that they are all taxpayers, we are all taxpayers, and it seems that they have for some reason decided to discriminate against self—employed people, for no good reason, because self—employed people, regardless of how they pay tax, they pay tax, whether it is through a tax return, even whether it is through dividends, they pay tax. and he keeps going on about wanting to create jobs, but he hasn't invested any money in this 3— five million taxpayers he keeps ignoring. he won't even acknowledge that we exist. that was one of the really difficult things about what happened yesterday. there wasn't even an acknowledgement that these 3- even an acknowledgement that these 3— five million people exist, despite the treasury select committee saying that they exist, despite the fact that now excluded uk have created an appg with 200 mps, including 50 tory mps, included in that now. he is still acting and insisting like we don't exist. that is systematic gas lighting of 3 million taxpayers. and all they are asking for is parity. they are not asking for is parity. they are not asking for is parity. they are not asking for special treatment, they are not asking for handouts, they are not asking for handouts, they are asking for the quality and fairness of a system they have paid into. these people have paid tax for 40 years and have been left with zero, and he is spouting lies that there is other support out there. there isn't. mark, we have rishi sunak speaking to us in about 15 minutes' time here on the programme. you are saying your voices, and ellie was explaining that very passionately there, not being heard, your circumstances are not being heard. what would you say to the chancellor if you are given that opportunity? give us an idea of what you would actually want him to know about your life and what is happening? well, i prepared a question, i hope you don't mind, and iam going question, i hope you don't mind, and i am going to read it out. because i spent a long time thinking about it. i welcome the chancellor's statement that no—one would be left without hope. but in light of the campaign by excluded uk and others, recommendations by the treasury committee and pressure from the appg on tuesday, can i ask, why don't you do the right thing for the right reasons now, before you are shamed into it? well, i appreciate that you took the trouble to write that down and thought very hard about those words. what i am detecting, and i see a heavy sigh after you read out the words you have written down, mark, iam the words you have written down, mark, i am detecting quite a bit of anger and mark, i am detecting quite a bit of angerand a mark, i am detecting quite a bit of anger and a lot of genuine worry about your future, and anger and a lot of genuine worry about yourfuture, and presumably the future for your family.” about yourfuture, and presumably the future for your family. i can't get my head around how the chancellor expect any person, any citizen of this country, to survive on zero income. how is that possible? could he manage it? if he can manage it, please tell me how to do it, and i willjust get on with it. i don't want anything, i don't wa nt to it. i don't want anything, i don't want to hand out, i don't want anything. i want parity, and that is it. tell me how people in my situation, with children, mortgages, rent to pay, bills to pay, how do we survive? it's that simple. how close, mark, are you to the very edge? you can probably see, actually. i have done it before, and i have been in a situation for months now, how close do we have to get? how many people, frankly, will end up killing themselves because of this? he's had prior warning of what's to come. how many people have got to die by their own hand before he takes action? it obscene. frankly. mark, one of the things we are very conscious of is when we have someone like you, who is in... a desperate situation, there is a duty of care on our part, so we're going to make sure we get in touch with you this programme, and make sure obviously you are in touch with ellie as well, because i think one of the things that is very evident is that it takes a lot to come onto national television and just put yourself out there and just show how desperate this is. and are going to clip upa desperate this is. and are going to clip up a couple of the things you have said today and put that to the chancellor, and maybe we might even be able to talk to after and see your reaction. but please know that we are conscious that we have spoken to you on air this morning and you are ina to you on air this morning and you are in a very royal place and it is totally understandable. ellie, you know, you reflect on this. your personal situation, as well, if there is a reason you have got to there is a reason you have got to the level you have got with this campaign group. what does life look like you? i mean, i consider myself one of the lucky ones, because both my parents are alive, and my partner, so i have never kind of had to go to bed at night worrying about if there is going to be a roof over my head or food in my belly, because lam my head or food in my belly, because i am privileged my head or food in my belly, because lam privileged in my head or food in my belly, because i am privileged in that way. but i am very hyper— aware that a lot of people aren't, 3— five million people aren't, 3— five million people aren't. we talk about these 3- people aren't. we talk about these 3— five million taxpayers, that doesn't take into account children. just to put it into context, 3 million taxpayers is the equivalent of the population of wales that have been ignored, and we are absolutely fed up of rishi sunak ignoring the problem and just avoiding answering the questions, whenever he has asked about it, and he will do the same to you guys. whenever he is asked about it he quibbles with the numbers. well, published the figures that. he will say we have put in place one of the largest, most comprehensive, most generous packages in the world. we don't want to know what you have done. we want to know what you are going to do. that doesn't answer the question for these people who have no support. ellie, iwill be interviewing rishi sunak in seven minutes and we will be talking to him shortly. we are going to take on board what you have said, as well as go through the announcement. mark, one of our producers is going to be calling you after. hopefully you will see, we will put some of the questions to rishi sunak, maybe even get a chance to chat to you after, andi get a chance to chat to you after, and i cannot say thank you enough forjust and i cannot say thank you enough for just talking to and i cannot say thank you enough forjust talking to us and being so honest with us this morning. and i wish you all the best. thank you very much, thanks. mark whitaker and ellie phillips talking to us about how the announcements are affecting some people but maybe not reaching everyone. we're joined now by the shadow chancellor, anneliese dodds. very good morning to you. i don't know if you could hear what we were talking to mark whittaker about there, self—employed and facing real hardship. we are hearing enormous sums of money announced by the chancellor, but real concerns there are still some people for whom it is making a difference. well, absolutely, and i have to say i have heard from many people like mark. i have met with the group excluded uk andi have met with the group excluded uk and i have repeatedly raised concerns with the chancellor around this area. you know, two things need to change. first of all, we shouldn't still be having this computer says no response from the chancellor. whenever these matters have been raised, he has said that there was a need for speed when the different systems were set up for support, the furlough scheme, the self—employed scheme, that you can't possibly include everyone. at the beginning, he repeated that again yesterday. but i said to him and labour said back to him, but these systems have been created now. there is more scope in the system to be fitting them to people hole circumstances. you know, then he said there is a possibility of fraud. we well, if there you are worried about fraud, then increase the penalties forfraud. he worried about fraud, then increase the penalties for fraud. he said worried about fraud, then increase the penalties forfraud. he said it will require more manual handling, and we said investing in some more hmrc staff now would really make sense so hmrc staff now would really make sense so that you can get through these people. it feels like there is a lot of excuses behind... to be clear, is what you are saying that he could do it and he is choosing not to? well, i believe that he could. i have set out a number of ways in which changes could be made to the system. for example, there are different ways to assess what people's income is if they have a multitude of different kinds of employment. they have the paye and self—employment but self—employment is less than 50%... you know, this is less than 50%... you know, this isa is less than 50%... you know, this is a complicated area but it is not beyond the weight of man to solve this. if we have to work through some of these problems, then ultimately government should deliver that. but the other big thing that needs to change as our social security system. you know, why are people so concerned when they don't come under one of these schemes? it is because in many cases if they have got just a is because in many cases if they have gotjust a little bit of savings they will be knocked out of receiving universal credit, and of course, universal credit itself is not very valuable at all in terms of covering people's costs. it doesn't covering people's costs. it doesn't cover the average housing cost. we have said that it needs to, but we have said that it needs to, but we have also set this time of crisis, government should really be looking at those savings criteria. you know, they are very, very strict at the moment. surely now would be a time, asa moment. surely now would be a time, as a crisis measure, to look at this again. so that if people still keep falling through the cracks, at least they can still get some social security support. is the job retention bonus, £1000 some, is that worthwhile? well, i was rather surprised to hear government going down that route. i mean, we have been saying to government that they really need to make the job retention scheme flexible, they need to be continuing support through the scheme, or a reworking of the scheme, or a reworking of the scheme, for those sectors that are so scheme, for those sectors that are so badly affected, that still can't open properly. the chancellor has refused to do that. i suppose what i find surprising about the bonus obviously it looks like it will be provided to every single employer who takes somebody back off the job retention scheme. now, some employers might need that money, but others may not. others may have planned for a long time to take their salary. so you would not have done that. you would not have brought in that bonus scheme. is that right? well, we want to see a targeted approach. we want to see an approach that reflects that some sectors are far more heavily affected than others. to me, that bonus does not reflect a targeted approach. it seems to be quite a last—minute measure. maybe government is but i am concerned that government is not doing what is required. and i ask you, we are talking a lot about unemployment and there is a realfear could be a major scale in the forthcoming months. what is your best and worst case scenario in relation to what you think thejob case scenario in relation to what you think the job losses could be? do you have a scale from the best to the worst? well, obviously this crisis is unprecedented, and so it is difficult to compare it to previous scenarios, but the last u nfortu nate record previous scenarios, but the last unfortunate record we had an unemployment was in 1986 where the claimant count went up to 3 million. it does look like we are already on course to breach that unfortunate record. i don't think this is inevitable, and this is where i really think government to change tack. you know, it is good they put in new measures to help people who have already become unemployed. we welcome them. we have been urging them to do that, but they really need to do more to focus on those sectors that are particularly distressed, target the support on them. that will help to prevent more unemployment in the first place. thank you for your time this morning. the shadow chancellor speaking to us this morning. it's 730 and time to find out what is happening with the weather. was that a special effect? i always have a special effect of my sleeve. it is pretty wet parts of the country. it will gradually improve so towards this weekend, much more dry and reasonably sunny weather at times. it should last throughout the weekend because of got an air of high pressure which will replace low pressure and keep things dries bigger into the weekend. as you mentioned, it's a bit damp but pretty humid across the south—east corner. compared to six celsius in the north—west of scotland. the heaviest of the rain across northern england so far. rain across yorkshire, lincolnshire. party across the rest of england and wales. a few showers in northern scotla nd wales. a few showers in northern scotland but quite a bit of sunshine developing as we go through this morning before we see heavy showers later. fairly cloudy for the most part. rain and drizzle is going to come and go all day long, gloomy around the hills on the coasts. further interruptions to the cricket in southampton but we will see some dryness, more than yesterday. further north, the skies are bright in northern wind. a bit of sunshine and heavy, thundery showers. more details on your weekend forecast later in the programme. this is breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. the chancellor, rishi sunak, has pledge up to £30 billion to save jobs and boost the economy in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic. one key measure to be unveiled is thejob retention bonus. under this scheme, employers who bring back furloughed workers until the end of january, will receive a one—off £1,000 payment for each employee. as part of the kickstart scheme, the government will subsidise 6—month work placements for under—25s who claim universal credit to get consumers back out and spending the chancellor announced a cut in vat — the tax paid on most things we buy — from 0 to 5% from next week until january. he also announced an ‘eat out to help out‘ discount. this will mean 50% off bills up to £10 per head in restaurants, cafes and pubs between monday and wednesday for the whole of august. and homebuyers will be temporarily exempt from paying stamp duty for the first £500,000 of any property bought. the change starts now and runs until march 2021. the chancellor also confirmed the introduction of a green homes grant — homeowners and landlords can apply for vouchers worth £5,000 to make their properties more energy efficient. the chancellor of the exchequer, rishi sunak, joins us now thank you forjoining us. we've gone through the main points but what i will say is just a few minutes ago, we spoke to a gentleman called mark whitaker, i think you've been doing the rounds with other broadcasters this morning, he is self—employed, he isa this morning, he is self—employed, he is a curtain fitter and he is in a desperate state at this moment in time. we're all really concerned. he spoke about being close enough to the point of taking his own life because of the situation that he is in at this moment in time and he also spoke, we asked how to respond to one of your comments that no—one will be left without hope and this is what he said. i can't get my head around how the chancellor expects any person, any citizen of this country to survive on zero income. how is that possible? could he manage it? if he can manage it, tell me how to do it and i willjust get on with it. i don't want anything, i don't want to hound out. tell me people in my situation with children, mortgages, rent to pay, bills to pay, how do we survive? chancellor rishi sunak, can you a nswer chancellor rishi sunak, can you answer that? i'm so sorry, the line is very bad but he was saying he was self—employed and we were obviously put in place the self—employment scheme to provide support for over 2.5 million people who are self—employed and if you look at that scheme relative to those across the world, it's one of the most comprehensive and generous schemes to support self—employment anywhere so to support self—employment anywhere soi to support self—employment anywhere so i think it has made a difference on top of things we've done like the furlough scheme which is protected thejobs and furlough scheme which is protected the jobs and incomes of 9 million people. have we been able to help eve ryo ne people. have we been able to help everyone in exactly the way they would have wanted ? everyone in exactly the way they would have wanted? i am sure not an asset previously we haven't been able to do that and for that, i'm sorry but i think we have put in place a huge amount of support. he was talking about mortgage and rent payments. we organised for the banking sector to offer mortgage holidays which they have done and one in six mortgages was able to benefit from that mortgage holiday. rent payments, one of the things we did early in the crisis was make a generous increase in the local housing and allowance which provides payments to those who have trouble with payments and that is just shy of £1 billion a year but the focus on all of this is trying to protect as many people's jobs and on all of this is trying to protect as many people'sjobs and incomes. analysis published yesterday which shows the totality of what we've done, the lowest income households are the ones that have been supported the most which i'm pleased is the case but i would acknowledge, this has been in a period of extreme hardship for many people. this is a good time for the economy and that's why people reacted with up to £30 billion to protect, create and support as many jobs billion to protect, create and support as manyjobs as possible especially for those who are young like initiatives with a kickstart scheme but those impacted in sectors like hospitality. and we think that will provide hope that what i accept isa will provide hope that what i accept is a challenging time. we've come pensively gone through the key measures so you pensively gone through the key measures so you don't have to do that, we've explained that to our viewers ahead of this interview. i'm explaining that in case you couldn't hear that. to go back to what mark whitaker said, is asking, why don't you do the right thing before you ashamed into it because potentially ashamed into it because potentially as the shadow chancellor said, there isa as the shadow chancellor said, there is a risk of 3 million people being pushed into unemployment. mark whitaker who spoke to us said there is no money left in his home. he doesn't know what to do next and he feels abandoned. i'm very sorry, i'm struggling to hear you. as a result of things we've done yesterday, they do provide new opportunities, that went up and down in the construction sector. the green homes grant, investments in infrastructure, protecting jobs for those in the hospitality and tourism sectors. too many people work in those sectors. they are under acute stress, and supporting people with investment, skills, apprenticeships, helping people who are going to lose their jobs. get the support they need to do those things. rishi sunak, can you hear me clearly now? that is a bit better, yes. mark whitaker said, why don't you do the right thing now before you ashamed into it? this is a man who in our research questions said he was looking for coins down the back of his sofa because that is how desperate he has become financially because he is one of the self—employed that feels he is being abandoned. how will you help him? 0bviously abandoned. how will you help him? obviously i don't have mark whitaker's all details in front of me. and i explained... he is one of nearly a million people, 3 million people self—employed who feel they have been left out of the equation when it comes to help. right, so we introduced a scheme to support those in self—employment. it's edited over 2.5 million people and if you compare the support we put in place for those are self—employed compared to that of any country in the world, it is more comprehensive and who it cove rs. it is more comprehensive and who it covers. he doesn't qualify for any of those. he also... well, he also talked about mortgages and rent, and i explained what we've done to help people with mortgage payments. explaining what we've done to help people who need help with rent payments to something called the local housing allowance, one of the biggest costs that people face. speaking to the local authority, we made available half £1 billion to provide support for people to help with our council tax bills, up to £150 and we will invest billions —— billions in strengthening our safety net for the most vulnerable and that is what our analysis shows that if you are saying there will be individual people who suffer hardship as a result of what happened, i completely agree and i sympathise with that. it's not possible to ensure that every single person is not impacted. we shut our country and economy down for months on end. that's going to have a significant impact and after being consistently honest with people that hardship lies ahead that's why we tried to mitigate as much of that is possible. are we going to mitigate that every single person? of course not. but i look at the totality and it stacks up as one of the most comprehensive and generous interventions of any country in the world but we now need to look forward and this is why we announced our plan forjobs, this is about protecting, creating and supporting jobs across the country. not eve ryo ne jobs across the country. not everyone is going to be able to go back to thejob everyone is going to be able to go back to the job they had but we hope as many can be and that's why we have our furlough bonus as many can be and that's why we have ourfurlough bonus but as many can be and that's why we have our furlough bonus but for those who need to find new opportunities, with divided support for them to find those new opportunities given the skills they need and incentivising employers and also incentivise activity. to try and protecting create as manyjobs as possible and minimise that hardship. let's talk about the job retention scheme. are you hearing me clearly? the job retention scheme. are you hearing me clearly? thejob retention bonus. yes, what would you like to know?” don't we've got a clip that i can ask about someone who wants to talk about this, when it comes to £1000. every person that comes back to work. this is rob starr from electric staff. i wasn't expecting that. it won't encourage us to re—employ any more people, the people we were going to re—employ. based on the demand and how busy we are over the next coming months. i saw that as a bit of free money from the government which for us, is a help. the point he's making there, chancellor, is that he's seeing extra thousand pounds for bringing back someone from below is a bit of free money and one of the criticisms is, why not target that £1000 to the industries that really need it? so i actually think it will make a significant difference. something that people were interested in calling for. considering the income distribution, we know £1000 can be a significant reward to successfully bring staff back and continuously employed. i think having a broad offer to all those 9 million people is the right thing to do. in situations like this and throughout the crisis, i've always had a choice whether to act at speed and scale given the severity of what we are facing or to do things in a more nuanced and targeted way and in an ideal world, you would do that. the problem of doing things in a more nuanced and targeted way, it takes a lot longer and we don't necessarily have the luxury of time when you are dealing with a crisis of this magnitude so i have erred on the side of the order of approach, and i would make the same decisions again and i'm sure if we had a more targeted approach in this instance, you properly have me on this show saying, why are these people excluded and what about that part of the supply chain that you've included but excluded them and would be spending all our time talking about those boundaries and where they fallen, those are difficult things to get right but they are difficult to get right at the speed and scale we need. but this intervention to help protect those 9 millionjobs is intervention to help protect those 9 million jobs is something that will make a big difference. i want to see as many of those people back to work as many of those people back to work as possible and i know this will be welcomed by businesses up and down the country and help them get through what is a difficult time and protect as many jobs through what is a difficult time and protect as manyjobs as possible. through what is a difficult time and protect as many jobs as possible. so what happens injanuary once that £1000 bonus has been paid? what happens to unemployment? do you have a scenario? unemployment is going to rise. do you have a number that is a cce pta ble rise. do you have a number that is acceptable when it comes to the number of unemployed, come, say, spring 2021? the treasury doesn't do those things anymore, the independent 0ffice those things anymore, the independent office for budget responsibility provides forecasting. apologies for interrupting, i'm not asking for a forecast, sorry if i wasn't clear. i'm asking what you have in your mind as chancellor, the man in charge of the purse strings, when it comes to unacceptable or understandable in your point of view level of unemployment. the number of unemployed in this country say by spring next year? very clearly, every person who loses theirjob is a tragedy and that's why i acted yesterday with a comprehensive plan to protect as manyjobs as possible. if you're asking me can i protect everyjob? the if you're asking me can i protect every job? the answer if you're asking me can i protect everyjob? the answer is no. are people going to lose jobs, yes. the scale of this is significant. we are entering one of the most severe recessions this country has seen and thatis recessions this country has seen and that is going to have a significant impact on unemployment and job losses and i am acting to try to mitigate as much of that is possible and provide as many opportunities as possible but it would be foolhardy of me to sit here and give you precise numbers for what is or isn't a measure of acceptability when we are living at a time of unprecedented economic uncertainty, eve ryo ne unprecedented economic uncertainty, everyone who does economic forecast for a living says it's impossible to make these predictions with accuracy so make these predictions with accuracy so it will also be impossible for me to tell you where we might end up and where we might desire to end up at what i do know is that we are throwing everything we can are trying to minimise the amount ofjob losses and provide people with the opportunities and hope if they are ina opportunities and hope if they are in a difficult situation of losing jobs and i will continue to do that. i don't view unemployment is something that is unavoidable and i wa nt to something that is unavoidable and i want to do everything i can to try and minimise it to protect, support and minimise it to protect, support and create jobs. we and minimise it to protect, support and createjobs. we haven't talked yet about the kickstart scheme which was an important initiative to help young people... we did, we explained it. so these are important things that i think will make a difference to thousands of young people. chancellor, how will you pay for this? you have said you are throwing everything you can at this, and that has been made clear. there was a prediction now that the deficit is now going to top £300 billion. without quibbling about that number, thatis without quibbling about that number, that is significantly higher, twice the size of the deficit at its peak when it came to the 2008, 2009 financial crisis. who pays for this, and when, and how? so in the first instance, you are absolutely right. these interventions will cost an extraordinary amount of money. we are borrowing, as you said, record sums this year to step into provide and protection to our economy stop i do believe that is the right thing to do, and the cost of not acting in this way would be far greater in the long run. that is something that both the independent 0ffice long run. that is something that both the independent office of budget responsibility, and indeed the bank of england and other budget commentators, have said. it is right to act now so we limit the long—term damage in our economy, and indeed in our public finances. but once we get through and we have a better sense of what the shape of the recovery is, you are absolutely right. we can't sustainably live like this, of course we can't. and over the medium term, we can add we will return a public finances to a sustainable position. it is difficult now to get exactly the right trajectory for that, because we have an uncertain path ahead, but as soon as we have a clear path ahead, we can make sure that our public finances are unsustainable footing over a reasonable period of time. chancellor rishi sunak, thank you for your time this morning. thanks very much. lets turn away from all things to do with the economy and jobs. holly has got some sports news for us, and this is sadly about something that is not going to happen. exactly, good morning. europe captain padraig harrington says it was the right decision not to play the ryder cup behind closed doors. they were due to defend their crown against the united states in wisconsin in late september, but it has been put back by a year, and there was a good deal of player power involved. it seems nobody wanted the event to go ahead without fans. if you look at the players playing regular events, you will see a certain golfing personality. at the ryder cup, that completely changes. the way they celebrate, the way they enjoy themselves, how they get into it. and that is all based on the spear created by the crowds. you know, the celebrations that will go down in history based on how players have celebrated when they have hold putts. they have celebrated when they have come out with the crowds. after all the waiting for the return of international cricket, day one of england's first test against west indies was practically washed out. before play got under way yesterday, all the players took a knee to support the black lives matter movement. no fans present, of course, and dom sibley might have been happy about that, as he was dismissed early on without scoring. only 17 overs were completed due to regular rain interruptions. england resume on 35/1, and they‘ re just pleased to be playing again. it is nice for the guys that have been out there to get their competitive juices flowing again. i think we have done a lot of practice in the nets, and we have done everything we can do, but nothing quite replicates the intensity of the game. so i think the guys will enjoy that. i think it is what professional sportsmen have missed, and they enjoy competing, and i think we're alljust and they enjoy competing, and i think we're all just very thankful that we get the chance to that again. liverpool are still on course to break manchester city's premier league points record after beating brighton 3—1. they now have 92 points, with four games remaining. the record is 100. there were also wins for manchester city and sheffield united, and in—form burnley are edging closer to a place in europe. their latest win came at the expense of west ham, who are still in real danger of relegation, jay rodriguez with the only goal of that game. thank you very much, holly. we will see you later on. black and south asian people are at greater risk of hospitalisation and death due to covid—19 according to a new report by the south asian health foundation. the film director gurinder chadha, who is famous for her work on bend it like beckham, changed her diet after hearing that losing weight might help reduce the risk of complications. she is now urging others to do the same. sima kotecha has been to meet her. they are like flower, but they are much more nutritious. within the asian community, food is central to who we are. our culture, how we express our love “— who we are. our culture, how we express our love —— flour. when we start looking at how to change our eating habits and lifestyle, it goes right to the core of who we are, you know, as a community. because i am a foodie. don't get me wrong, i am a foodie. don't get me wrong, i am a foodie. during lockdown she reversed her type 2 diabetes and lost more than a stone by eating fewer carbs and cutting down on fried food.” than a stone by eating fewer carbs and cutting down on fried food. i am overweight, you know. i was more overweight, you know. i was more overweight than i am now. and i think for my kids there was this real fear that i had some of the symptoms of people who were adversely affected. the next day i said, that's it. i am going to change everything. put them all in a bold... the director, most commonly known for her film bend it like beckham, is urging others of south asian heritage to do the same. this period is really a great time to start experimenting with alternative ways of cooking. i love aloo ghobi. i made a film, anyone can make aloo ghobl i made a film, anyone can make aloo ghobi, but who can bend the ball like beckham ? ghobi, but who can bend the ball like beckham? where do you want to play? in the park. i mean what position. i think the messages be mindful. think about the foods you are eating and are they foods that are eating and are they foods that are loving you, are they loving your kidneys, your liver, your tummy. is it good for you, is it nourishing you? people from south asian communities are known to be up to six times more likely to have type 2 diabetes than the general population. and that can increase the risk of infection. from what we know about coronavirus, people from bame backgrounds are more vulnerable to complications. however, if we change our lifestyles, in terms of eating better and doing more exercise, that risk is rapidly reduced within just a few weeks. make your own versions of things... but giving up food like rice and bread can be difficult. gurinder says it is about changing your mindset. the best way to love our loved ones is to be mindful of what you are eating. ring your propensity to diabetes down, bring your obesity down, and still enjoy food, like i do, butjust enjoy better food. joining us now from north london is one of the report's co—authors, and consultant cardiologist at university college london, dr amitava banerjee. very good morning to you. thank you for your time this morning, doctor. just first of all, tell us a little bit about what you have discovered. so we have, in this report, assimilated evidence from all the sources that we can, right up to date. and what we see is, as known now, there is a particular predisposition in blacks and south asians for hospitalisation and death. and the explanation falls into three categories. there are structural fact as such as deprivation. there are biological factors such as increased risk of diabetes. and there's also behavioural factors, diabetes. and there's also behaviouralfactors, where diabetes. and there's also behavioural factors, where for cultural reasons, for example, it might be less easy for people to socially distance, or less able to understand the importance of social distancing. so in order to tackle this, we have to look at all three of those factors. given that the risk is... some of those are long—standing problems, but we are in an immediate crisis at the moment in relation to the health risk of covid—19. so what if anything could the government be doing to possibly improve the situation now? we provide some immediate, short—term recommendations and some longer term recommendations and some longer term recommendations to tackle some of those harder, more structural issues. in the short term, first of all, we need to make sure both in clinical and public health, but also research data sets, we have to record ethnicity as well as we can, so record ethnicity as well as we can, so that we can actually look at this in near real time and see if things are improving or getting worse. and is that not done sufficiently well or efficiently now? that's right. it's not only patchy, but it's also variable across different datasets. so you might have a research database which is gathering certain categories versus the office of national statistics, which is gathering different categories. so if you put south asian altogether, for example, this is bangladeshi, pakistani, indian, you get different results. and what we know is, for example, bangladeshi and pakistani community ridiculously —— are particularly susceptible. also we need to have culturally appropriate, tailored messaging for communities. as gurinder chad was very eloquently putting in the video just now, you need different ways of expressing the same message to different communities. and also telling people what they can do in terms of lifestyle today. when you talk about tailored public health messaging, it is something that hasn't happened so far. what does that look like in practice? you're absolutely right. i would say firstly, in different communities, there are different ways of processing, that might be in terms of language, in terms of where that message comes from. so it might be that you have to go to community centres, temples, mosques. we provide some recommendations about places of worship, about weddings and funerals and so on, which are slightly nuanced depending on the community. can i ask you, doctor, as well, just one last thing. if your recommendations are not picked up, and if they are not done, what is the risk? i mean, what could the risk be from doing nothing? well, we have already seen the risk, that we have already seen the risk, that we have got tens of thousands of excess deaths overall, and those have disproportionately hit the most deprived and they have most hit the black and minority ethnic communities. in order to tackle that, we need to take these actions, otherwise we will see more of the same. thank you very much for your time this morning. tim hasjust responded to the interview. he said he was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, did a lifestyle change, feels loads better but said when it comes to healthy food, it is more expensive. that is something to be looked at. here is matt with a look at this morning's weather. good morning to both of you. good morning, as well. lovely over the fourth of firth at the moment, different story for england and wales. it has been hammering down in leicestershi re wales. it has been hammering down in leicestershire in the last half—an—hour, 45 minutes. that is because plenty of rain across england and wales so far this morning. the rain we have seen is linked to this heavy rain in northern england, now pushing off, though, into the north sea. so the rain is going to turn light and patio, a few showers in northern scotla nd patio, a few showers in northern scotland as well. but it is a grey, damp morning across much of england and wales. rain and drizzle coming and wales. rain and drizzle coming and going throughout. much more developing through scotland and northern ireland but if you heavy and thundery showers later. let's ta ke and thundery showers later. let's take a look around this afternoon. what to expect. some brightness in the channel islands but is going to stay rather grey, misty and murky across many parts of central, southern england and wales. rain and drizzle very close to southampton at times, so further interruptions to play at the cricket there. brightening up in northern england, especially across cumbria and northumberland. sunny spells across much of scotland and northern ireland, but there you go. some heavy and thundery showers across southern and eastern scotland possible later. where you do get them, they will be torrential. but many parts of scotland and northern ireland will stay dry through today. through tonight, though showers across scotland will remain, and we will see them develop across some eastern parts of england as well, with most of the extensive cloud clearing away. bright and clear sky that was the west, with some starry moments into tomorrow morning. but temperatures here will be in single figures. a bright start, lots of sunshine around on friday morning. lots more cloud across northern and eastern scotland. it is here will we will be susceptible to the odd rumble of thunder in eastern counties of england the odd shower dotted elsewhere, but if anything, more sunshine around you tomorrow compared with today. temperatures will drop a little bit, dropping into the teens for the vast majority. the cool night will follow to ta ke majority. the cool night will follow to take us into the start of the weekend, but the weekend, high pressure builds on. that means dry weather. that's how your weather is looking. your headline shortly. good morning welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. 0ur headlines today... up to £30 billion to kick start the economy. the chancellor tells breakfast he wants to get britain back to work. i want to see as many of those people back to work as possible. and i know that this will be welcomed by businesses up and down the country, and help them get through what is a difficult time and protect as many jobs as possible. we'll be hearing from businesses about what difference the chancellor's measures could make for those who feel they've been left behind. the mayor of london says lessons must be learned after a crane collpsed on a row of houses in east london killing a woman and injuring several other people. we'll be hearing from team europe captain padraig harrington, who says it's the right decision to postpone golf‘s ryder cup until next year. players agree the fans need to be there. feeling upbeat during lockdown. we'll find out why pop music is getting perkier during this time of trouble. it's thursday the 9th july. our top story... the cost of dealing with the coronavirus crisis now stands at nearly £190 billion after the chancellor announced a raft of measures to help kick—start the economy. up to £30 billion will be used to help furloughed staff return to work, as well as a cut to vat on tourism and hospitality. let's speak now to our political correspondent, jonathan blake who's in westminster. so many elements of the chancellor's announcements, it is inevitable there will be mixed reactions? definitely. that is what we have seen definitely. that is what we have seen to what the chancellor announced in the house of commons yesterday. an extra £30 billion worth of support, taking measures that he hopes will get the economy up that he hopes will get the economy up and running again, or, at the very least, ease the economic blow from the coronavirus crisis. as the dust settles on those announcements, and among them to give employers a bonus to keep furloughed staff on until at least january, the vat cut for the tourism and leisure sector and a kick—sta rt for the tourism and leisure sector and a kick—start a scheme to try to create jobs for young people. and a kick—start a scheme to try to createjobs for young people. the reaction will inevitably be mixed. there are some pointing out that there is little help for the aviation industry, or gems and the health care industry, which has suffered so greatly as well. and the self—employed, and freelancers, who believe they have been overlooked throughout this. but i thought what came through loud and clear from the chancellor's interview on breakfast this morning was the warning that he gave, time and time again, the same as the words he repeated in the house of commons yesterday, that hardship lies ahead. while he is clearly confident, or at the very least hopeful that the measures he has put in place will have a significant impact, and help the economy recover, he is not denying that there will be difficult times to come. and the chancellor said this morning that although his message was that nobody should be left without hope, he certainly didn't deny that there would be many people struggling. it is not possible to ensure that every single person is not impacted by what is happening. we have shut our economy and country down for months on end. that is, sadly, going to have a significant impact. i've consistently been honest with people that hardship lies ahead. that is why we have tried to mitigate as much of that hardship as possible, are we going to be able to mitigate it for every single person? of course not. but when i look at the totality of what we have done, i know it stacks up as being one of the most comprehensive and generous sets of interventions of any country in the world. but we now need to look forward. which is why yesterday we announced our plan forjobs. the big fear, the big risk, is mass unemployment. 0ne big fear, the big risk, is mass unemployment. one that is where the chancellor's plan for jobs unemployment. one that is where the chancellor's plan forjobs comes in. in taking those measures to try to encourage companies to keep staff on and do what the government can't create new jobs, he and do what the government can't create newjobs, he is clearly trying to stave off a big rise in unemployment. but it's uncertain at this point how much impact the measures will have, and how far we will see unemployment rise. labour say the government is not going far enough and their response is not yet meeting the scale of the economic challenge. eileen dodds gave her reaction to one of the chancellor's measures, the incentive for companies to keep members of staff on, getting a £1000 bonus for every employee that they keep on the books until at least january. we want to see a targeted approach, an approach that reflects that some sectors are far more heavily affected than others. that bonus does not reflect a targeted approach, it seems to be quite a last—minute measure. maybe the government took this on board after the really worrying redundancy figures that we saw over the last week? i'm not going to oppose it out right, it will help some employers. but i am concerned that government is not taking the targeted response thatis is not taking the targeted response that is needed. labour calling for more specific support in certain areas. but, up until now, that seems to be something the chancellor is relu cta nt to to be something the chancellor is reluctant to do. jonathan, thanks very much. apologies for the slight sound quality problems there. the cost of cremations has continued to rise despite restrictions on funeral services during the pandemic. according to research by bbc local radio, two—thirds of councils in the uk have pressed ahead with price increases of up to 16%. lockdown restrictions meant shorter services and fewer mourners allowed to attend. more than three million people in the united states have now tested positive for covid—19. figures from john hopkins university show that there were more than 60,000 new infections across the us on tuesday — the largest daily increase recorded by any country. the mayor of london has said lessons must be learned after a crane fell onto houses in east london, killing a woman and injuring four other people. dozens of residents have spent the night in temporary accomodation and an investigation is now underway. josh parry reports. this mobile phone footage shows the devastation left behind after a crane collapsed yesterday in east london. the 20—metre crane, still under construction when the incident took place, fell onto a building site and crashed into two terraced houses. a woman was found on the first floor of one of the houses who died at the scene. four others were injured, with two people taken to hospitalfor head injuries. a spokesperson for swan housing association and nu living, in charge of the site, said they are deeply saddened by an incident that has occurred at our watts grove development site this afternoon. adding, our staff are on site to provide support to the emergency response on the investigation. around 40 people are thought to have spent the night in emergency accommodation because of the damage to nearby houses. it's not clear when they'll be able to return to their homes. this will be a protracted incident. the scene itself will need to be made safe, and secure. the london fire brigade will be standing by to support safety with the local authority and the police, and the other agencies that need to be involved. london mayor sadiq khan has described the accident as a tragedy and said lessons must be learned. climate experts warn that global temperatures could exceed the critical threshold of 1.5 celsius above pre—industrial levels within the next five years. the world meteorological 0rganisation says the research highlights the scale of the challenge of keeping below dangerous levels of climate change. scientists say the arctic is likely to warm by twice the global average this year. the government's spending plans to help the economy recover from lockdown pay particular attention to young people — who are often hardest hit at times of economic uncertaintity. a 1.2 billion pound scheme has been pledge to create morejobs, alongside plans to subsidise six—month work placements for 16—24 year olds on universal credit.joining us now is tony payne, who is a sixth form careers advisor, and apprentice jamie taylor. very good morning to both of you. jamie, lets start with you. welcome, by the way. good to speak to you this morning. can you just explain to people what your circumstances we re to people what your circumstances were going into lockdown? so, in the middle of march i was told that i was going to be put on furlough when we went into lockdown, and i would be made redundant at the end of july. a few months later, the chancellor extended the furlough. that meant i would be made redundant in october. but now, from his announcement yesterday, it now means that my employer, a radio station in exeter, will be able to get a cash bonus, because they need it, they are in need of that now, and i'm going to be able to stay on now until the end of january. going to be able to stay on now until the end ofjanuary. which means i can hopefully do my apprenticeship at college, and it puts me in a stronger and better position at the beginning of next year. jamie, i'm very pleased for you. this sounds like good news for you, and you've got a certain amount of certainty there. i'm interested, you say that your employer has already said it is the £1000 job retention bonus that has meant they can keep you on. have they said that explicitly? yeah, so, since the announcement i got in touch with my boss. 0ne announcement i got in touch with my boss. one of the things about the announcement, especially with the furloughed staff, on extended furlough, sometimes all of the details are not mentioned. i do hope that the chancellor has announced everything he wants to announce. i really hope there is not something down the line that prevents us from doing this. but as far as i know, speaking to my employer at the station, he said he is over the moon that he can get paid for keeping me on, and i'm very happy because i get to stay on and hopefully finish my apprenticeship, which is what i was worried about during this time. tony, you will be speaking to lots of stu d e nts tony, you will be speaking to lots of students who are concerned about whether or not there will be placements out there. and whether or not they will be worthwhile as well, useful placements. where are you coming from on this?” useful placements. where are you coming from on this? i think it's really positive, it breaks down into four things, there is the kick—start, the four things, there is the kick—sta rt, the increase four things, there is the kick—start, the increase in apprenticeships and traineeships, and also the third year option if students want to stay on and do another year. the kick—start is fantastic. my worry is that there are over half a million kids leaving higher education at the minute. university students in sixth form students. they will all probably go to sign on, claim universal credit. if there is something in place, it has to be worthwhile. sol if there is something in place, it has to be worthwhile. so i know it is going to be six months, but what we want to sustainable jobs. i think there is a bigger picture than that. the fact that if you are unemployed, doing nothing, there is an area of mental health that needs to be addressed. whereby a lot of students feel demotivated, their self esteem goes down, they lack a routine. they become very, very demotivated. and just having a job, even though it is for six months, can really boost somebody. you'll be doing different things, meeting new people, your self—esteem will go up and you will feel more positive. you will have a worthwhile thing to do in life. that in itself is a very, very worthy cause. in terms of apprenticeships, apprenticeships don't exist more than we have currently. to suddenly then encourage people to create apprenticeships, you have to sort of understand how apprenticeship is work. if a business out there is thinking, yes, we will start an apprenticeship, it is not as simple as that. you have to liaise with the provider who will do the training for you. and there is a qualification, you go from level one, up to postgraduate, level seven, one, up to postgraduate, level seven, you one, up to postgraduate, level seven, you have to make sure that is done properly. that will be fantastic if lots of companies do that. may the £1000 incentive will encourage people. as with the kick—start stuff, encourage people. as with the kick—sta rt stuff, the encourage people. as with the kick—start stuff, the placements, all of the wages are taken care of by the government. so that is a real incentive for companies to start that. tony, can i ask you a specific one, it is really interesting what you are saying. 0n the kick—start scheme, i know it is very early days, this announcement was only made yesterday, but this will depend on employers offering up the opportunity, won't it? are you hearing anything from employers about whether they will take part in the scheme? not yet. it's too early days. i think people are just reading through all the paperwork, finding out exactly what it means for them. the principle, you can't really argue with. we'll take young people, we will give them a useful time in employment. that be great for their time in employment. that be great fortheircv, it time in employment. that be great for their cv, it will be great for personal statements, people might wa nt personal statements, people might want to go to university later on. there is a lot of useful experience they can pick up. my only concern is that you don't want people employing somebodyjust to sit in a corner and make a cup of tea. the chancellor did say these are going to be meaningful and worthwhile jobs. so, let'sjust hope that is the fact meaningful and worthwhile jobs. so, let's just hope that is the fact of what happens. it's interesting, i was seeing jamie, you can't see what i say, jamie was nodding at what you are saying. you are particularly nodding when tony said that these apprenticeships need to be meaningful, don't they? it's not just tea making and ticking a box, so just tea making and ticking a box, so the employer gets a certain amount of set to what they are paying out? your employer has to be on board with what you're doing. i hope people take apprenticeships, and they do what they want to do. if you are doing what you want to do, you are doing what you want to do, you will get the benefit, if the employer is not behind that, he is not giving you meaningful work, you're not given goals and something to aspire to, that is not what apprenticeships are about. i took it because i didn't want to go to university, i didn't want to go to lectures on seminars, i wanted to get in and be practical, learn the job as i go, learn the knowledge. not to take just one exam. especially in today's world, i think experience beats qualifications. i think some people would disagree with me. but you have to be... sorry, how optimistic are you about the industry that you are in? because there are job cuts around there. it's a funny time in terms of starting in a new, exciting industry, but knowing full well that there are people around you losing their jobs, there are people around you losing theirjobs, and there are people around you losing their jobs, and services there are people around you losing theirjobs, and services are being cut. the radio industry, especially commercial radio, is not the best. as you know, the bbc are even making cuts. in terms of working on a small, local radio station and seeing cuts because of this, the lockdown, it is not promising. but, you know, ithink lockdown, it is not promising. but, you know, i think in a couple of months' time and hopefully by the new year, when i finish my apprenticeship, things will start to look up. i think it will be ok, but it isa look up. i think it will be ok, but it is a shame, the little people will unfortunately be losing their jobs. it's good to see jamie smiling and hear something good happening now. it's very important that we make sure those stories are told. it's interesting, i notice that a record 40% of all uk 18—year—olds have applied to university, just very recently, the biggest ever number at this point in the cycle for starting in august. what do you make of those figures? sorry, could you repeat the question?” make of those figures? sorry, could you repeat the question? i hope you can hear me now. ijust wanted to ask you about the figures that have just been released about the numbers of young people who are seeking to go to university in the autumn, which is a record high right now, 40% of all uk 18—year—olds applying to university. i'm just chiming in with the positive note, may be young people are thinking, you know what, we will be ok, we will go to university and carry on regardless. what do you make of that? jamie was right in one sense, university is on for everybody. however, he will get qualified at the end of it. i think university as a whole experience. it helps people become independent, it helps people become independent, it helps them grow up a bit. and they have that whole unique thing going on. any qualification, any education you can do, that is a benefit because stats prove that if you've got a degree you will probably likely, throughout your lifetime, then something in the region of £100,000 extra. also, i think the word is getting out of that student debt really isn't so much a debt, because it willjust vanish after 30 years. and it is a loan that is really payable, because you only start paying it back after you are earning over £27,000. it's only the money that you earn over that that you will pay off 9% on. so it's a tiny increment of somebody's wage, when they are earning that much money, that they will be paying off. so those messages are sinking through. also, there is a massive range of courses now that are being developed. we have to mcgill university is opened up in manchester recently, they are doing business kind of things and sports related stuff. so it's moving away slightly from the pew academia to more vocational things. it's been lovely talking to you. maybe we will catch up with you and at the time to find out how some of these things are working out in practice for the youngsters you look after. jamie, good luck. you have not gone down the university path. you are starting work straightaway, we wish you well and we are glad it is working out for you at the moment. good luck, jamie! that was nice of tony to wish jamie good luck, jamie! that was nice of tony to wishjamie good luck. in amongst so many difficult things related to the economy, jobs, it is sometimes good to concentrate for a moment and something that is working out for somebody. really nice thing to do. it's fair to say it's been a strange few months for all of us — perhaps more so for children as they learn to live with a whole new set of rules. so what do you say to your kids when they ask tricky questions about the lockdown? here's jayne mccubbin with some top tips. hi, i'm georgia. hi, i'm sean. lam eight. hi, i'm harry, and i'm eight years old. my name's aiden, and i'm seven. and the last three months has been horrible. because i can't play football, i can't hang out with my friends. it's just been a bit weird. i kind of don't get it. aiden there, absolutely nailing what so many of us feel. cast your mind back three months. there was only one rule, wasn't there? stay at home. that's it — stay home. now, it'sjust confusing. i feel like you can't keep remembering. kids like georgia are having to wrestle with a whole new ppe thing. when my mum had to go clatterbridge hospital, they got a mask on, and then we walked into the place, and then she for some reason told us to take our masks off and put their masks on. sean and aiden are getting used to a whole new social distancing thing. you had to stay two metres apart, originally. and now it's one metre, which is a bit weird. i guess it's like one metre plus — one metre and one. she is finding it difficult. we visited the park on saturday. the kids just wanted to run to each other. it's a huge change for them now to come back to where we came from. as gradually things have started to open up, and we've been out and about, and we've been in the car, and we've seen people congregating together in groups and stuff, i think it is a very mixed message for them. because i'm not sure what the rule is, really. you know, even the grown—ups are mixed up. if it is tough for the grown—ups, it is a potential nightmare for the kids. so let's put some of their burning questions to a pro. are you ready? ready as ever. excellent, ok then. i don't know why we have to wear masks, because the virus can get in our eyes. at the minute, we know that the transmission rate happens through droplets, and the most amount of droplets are through your mouth and your nose. because you'll cough and you'll sneeze without knowing you're doing it, and that mask will protect that transmission. i don't get why the pubs are opening, but all of us can't go back to school. because they tend to want to play and hug their friends, that they can pass it on. and also, they don't have any symptoms themselves, and when they meet their grandparents or somebody who is a little bit poorly, they can pass those bugs without knowing that they're doing that. hello! i don't get why some places have hand sanitisers and other places don't. ideally, as a doctor, i would like all places to have hand sanitiser, because it keeps you reminding. but also there's the argument that hand sanitiser doesn't get rid of the virus completely. i don't get why, when i've gone to see my grandad yesterday, i couldn't give him a hug. again, children don't have any symptoms, but they carry the virus, and the grandparents might be vulnerable. i don't get why, like, not that much people can come to my back garden, but, like, you can bump into thousands of people at the supermarket. the reason that we're saying that people are limited in your home is because you're more likely to come into contact with them or touch them. those are questions that a lot of adults should be asking, but actually, as a mum and as a gp, i find that kids just get it. they're behaving just the way i would like them to. if adults would behave that way, that would be really lovely. i second that. they never let it go, do they? those are the best question is, frankly. why not go they are the ones that are why not go they are the ones that a re often why not go they are the ones that are often the simplest questions. we're joined now by education coach natalie costa. she might have some helpful some pa rents she might have some helpful some parents thinking, oh, no, these are some questions i haven't been asked yet. it's understandable, children are going to be confused at this moment in time. what are the main concerns your hearing? absolutely. there has been so much change. when it was lockdown, coming out of now. there's a lot of worry and concern, what is the right thing to do? also, things that are out of our control are sort of the things i see children feeling worried about. i think my suggestion to parents would be, provide some space for children to talk about their fears and their worries, perhaps even allow children to create their own worry character, kind of personify their worry, it makes it not them, it's just a thought, or a worry that i have that is outside of me. also, scheduling and a time perhaps to talk about worries or concerns which children are able to talk about it is, draw it out, write it out, get it out of their heads, make it feel less scary, and then we are able to start perhaps addressing some of the concerns that they have, versus it being bottled up inside, you know? 0ne being bottled up inside, you know? one of the questions that i thought was the most difficult to answer was when one of the children said how come i can't play in the playground and hug my friends, when all of the adults are going to the pub? and then you see pictures, you know, what happens if you spend quite a lot of time drinking alcohol? there are mixed messages about what rules apply for children and what applies to adults. how do you explain those? i know, and acknowledging that it is confusing, and i don't understand it. but what can we do to prepare and protect ourselves? something i encourage clients to do recently, you can't hug someone, but could i come up with a secret sign language with my hands, like a secret greeting? good friends do that? also, preparing children before the time, if you know your child is going to be anxious going back to the park, if there is a lot of changes, look before the time and see what might be different about the situation versus what it was six months ago. looking at pictures, perhaps looking at the different things we might have to do. at the moment, this is what we have been told to do, so we will keep safe. yes, it is confusing. it also, let's shift focus. what is good about going back to the pan? because if you months ago we weren't able to do that. how can we do this in a way that. how can we do this in a way thatis that. how can we do this in a way that is able to keep a safe and perhaps bring a bit of fun into that, it might be slightly different, it might not be the hug we wa nt different, it might not be the hug we want to give, but could we turn it into a game, to make it more fun? how do parents adequately disguise their own concerns about lockdown easing? i think as well it is just as important for us to look after our own well—being, you know? and to acknowledge that it is ok if we are feeling nervous and anxious, is there somebody we can talk to about that, or resources or books? there has been a lot around lockdown easing and the anxiety around that. i think it's really important that we also look after ourselves, and coming into lockdown was very uncertain. as i said to a client recently, here we are and it was very difficult, it was very challenging. let's acknowledge the challenges that we went through, and also, what did we learn about ourselves through this process? and how has this made us stronger? a young boy wrote himself a letter to say all of the things he has ove rco m e say all of the things he has overcome during this challenging time to help remind him that even though this is really difficult, here i am, i can do difficult things. and help me in terms of the next phase, when we move forward into the challenges and changes that we face again. natalie, good to talk to you. an education coach joining us. thank you for the advice. are you one of those parents, when your children ask you questions when they were younger, you said, i told you so. i think a bit of both. there we re you so. i think a bit of both. there were probably times i did the former, times i would have done the latter. is that sufficiently, did i cover both bases? i think you might be feeling slightly uncomfortable sitting on the fence. my family used to call it the why bird? there's a lwa ys to call it the why bird? there's always another question. no matter how good your explanation, it's like the weather, there's always another question and matt, i have another question, you know when you get into one of your filthy moods, when you're in one of your really bad moods, don't look at me like that ...doyou moods, don't look at me like that do you seek music that corresponds with your mood, or do you go for something upbeat to get yourself out of it? we are doing this thing about songs that have helped you during difficult times.” will always go for something upbeat, i don't like to wallow for too long, upbeat songs, charlie, my kind of thing. but don't you enjoy following? there is a time in the place. it's wonderfully self—indulgent. yes, there are moments, but i prefer to get out of it quickly, rather than sit for too long. don't knock wallowing! i feel like we've brought the mood down. shout be lifted ? like we've brought the mood down. shout be lifted? are there at the moment, a little bit like this, wallowing kind of weather. —— shall we lift it? let's brighten things up a little bit, the promise of sunshine as we head towards the weekend. most places becoming dry, this area of low pressure excluding out of the way, high pressure building, not lasting into next week but at least gives us the window of weather to enjoy. 0ut there this morning, what a contrast, in terms of temperatures, humid and muggy thanks to the presence of an old tropical storm, colder further north, on the radar you see heavy rain in northern england come into the midlands, that's starting to edge away, but we are still left with a legacy of cloud, rain, drizzle coming and going through the day. more than half of the uk, we see sunshine but a view heavy and thundery showers developing. let's ta ke thundery showers developing. let's take a closer look at the second half of the day, you may still see brightness in the channel islands, but overall through here, southern england, wales, midlands, east anglia, cloudy gray, rain and drizzle at times could affect the cricket at southampton. brightening up cricket at southampton. brightening up relative to this morning in northern england, cumbria, county durham, much of northern ireland staying dry, perhaps isolated showers in county down but in scotla nd showers in county down but in scotland slow moving thunderstorms that could cause issues but for the vast majority, dry day, there bit of sunshine to go with it. this evening and overnight summer showers in eastern scotland, some of them heavy across eastern counties of england, further west, starry skies, coalfield taking you into friday. temperatures into single figures. sunshine, big improvement for wales and the south—west compared to today, more cloud in eastern scotland, eastern england, showers heavy during the afternoon, the odd shower further west, most places try it with sunny spells. going to feel pressure, certainly fresher as we go into the start of the weekend. the weekend itself mostly dry, sunny spells, best on sunday across england and wales. that is how it's looking, see you tomorrow, back to you both. do you tomorrow, take care. and he did cheer us up. it's 8:32am. it's thursday morning. hello, this is breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. as we've been hearing, the chancellor is hoping his £30—billion pledge will savejobs and boost the economy. but will it be enough? sean has been taking a look at the big numbers for us. the numbers we are talking about are astronomical, as is the risk but will the measures make any difference? and which industries will benefit? good morning, everybody. the hospitality industry, we have talked a lot about that over the last few weeks, since they reopened in england last weekend, pubs and cafe is closed but according to the industry trade body more than 300,000 jobs are at risk. some of the measures we've heard from rishi sunak will directly affect that industry. the chancellor announced a cut in vat, the tax paid on most things we buy and that's for hospitality and tourism, that will come down from 20% down to 5%, kicking into next week and will be in place until next january and the headline grabbing it out to help out headline, up to £10 of her head on meals between monday and wednesday, in august, as many times as you like, we'll all of that work? we can talk to brittney bean, co—founder of a restaurant chain — six sites across london. good morning, lots of these announcements directly affecting you, what do you feel about it? it's always welcome to have the government step in and look at us from a sector specific point of view but i don't think it's enough. we have to look at what that's going to do for most restaurants. if it'sjob is meant to get people into a restaurant, i'm not sure if 50% price cut is going do it. but these are expensive announcements. if you say not enough, we are talking billions of pounds in some sectors not getting direct help, what would you want? i think what we need is something to protect us with our commercial leases with landlords. we need further protection from the job retention scheme and it needs to go further than where it is now, are looking at people reopening last weekend and they were lucky if they we re weekend and they were lucky if they were doing 20—30% of the trade they we re were doing 20—30% of the trade they were doing 20—30% of the trade they were doing year on year. high percentage of staff on furlough, we heard there is going to be a job retention bonus, you will get £1000 for each member of staff you bring back until the end ofjanuary. yes but we have to make it that far. you have to consider it's a footfall issue, do we really believe a 50% cut in vat and the government nationalising for three weeks is going to be enough to get everyone in? another way of putting it that i've not heard just yet. the vat cut, are you going to pass that onto customers? we very much hope to do that. the other thing i was going to ask, getting headlines, not quite as expensive a game as the other, eat out to help out, 50%, i printed out your menu, and had a look, are you going to sign up to the scheme? your menu, and had a look, are you going to sign up to the scheme7m course we will sign up. it's nice to have the government trying to do something to push people out but the industry has been trying to be creative this whole time. you have michelin starred restaurants, you've got trade suppliers, supplying restaurants for decades, you've got people like us working nationwide, it's fine for the government to do that but i'm not sure it's enough. in reality, and looking at your chicken sandwich for £5, somebody aiding in monday to wednesday could get that for £2.50 but if you are taking out you will have to pay £5. are you going to see a benefit from that? i mean, i hope so, i hope everyone else in the industry sees a benefit. we have to think about everyone , benefit. we have to think about everyone, whether or not it's good for us would be great but i hope it's good for everyone. thank you very much. nationalisation of group one, not heard that, but it's going to change the way people view how they are eating out in august. all i got in my head as a sandwich. chicken sandwich? not chicken, but a sandwich, i am chicken sandwich? not chicken, but a sandwich, iam hungry. chicken sandwich? not chicken, but a sandwich, i am hungry. big decisions to be made in the first three days of the week. sean, thank you. we are going to pick up on some of those areas, the industry is possibly facing the most difficult time at the moment. while life in england is slowly getting back to normal, events such as weddings, big exhibitions and concerts are still very much limited by the lockdown restrictions. so how has the government helped those who rely on these events to make a living? joining us now from hampshire isjulia and chris mitchell. julia runs a wedding venue and chris's engineering firm builds temporary structures at event venues. lovely to see this morning. julia, firstly, we've heard quite a bit the wedding industry and the restrictions applying to that, but how are things with you and what do you think the future looks like immediately? good morning, thank you. it's been very tricky, we have a numberof weddings you. it's been very tricky, we have a number of weddings here every year, we've had to re—purpose all of our weddings from 2020 and 2021, we've been very fortunate that we had the capacity to do that. but going forward, we don't know what's going forward, we don't know what's going to happen if there is a second lockdown and we can't fulfil those weddings next year, we just don't know. just checking, is that the venue behind you we are looking at? it is! that is a very impressive venue. so sad for those people who would have been getting married there that they are not. what about you and your staff, what's the situation there? well, we are managing to weather the storm at the moment. we are a very small event venue, we only have a select number of events every year so we are ok for the moment. what the future looks like, we just don't know. we are waiting to see. but there are a lot of venues up and down the country who aren't able to weather the storm like we are and are either closing are under threat of closing and that's a real concern. chris, tell me about your line of work, you are in the engineering field but you build temporary structures for big sporting occasions, that kind of thing. is that right? that's right, charlie, we build temporary bridges for large events and festivals. we have had a very quiet summer, which is very strange. we've been well established, working for over 30 years in this business, we do work in the railway and construction industry as well but predominantly commits the event industry we work in. what about your staff, who have you been able to hold onto and what's the situation? at the moment, all our staff are on furlough and we are grateful to the chancellor for that but the event industry, we feel, has been forgotten about. it's a difficult industry because our business plan is to make money in the summerto business plan is to make money in the summer to support us over the winter. and with no events on the horizon, everything from cheltenham, we supplied a temporary bridge at cheltenham, and everything from there has been cancelled this year. and so we are looking at two winters and no income this summer. i'm mindful, chris, talking to you, we are talking about people's lives and livelihoods, your staff, so i'm a little cautious in asking this but in the event those events cannot happen and that's how it is right now and possibly for the foreseeable, how can your business operate in any shape or form? well, it's tricky. we are lucky in as much as we work in the railway and construction industry as well. and also we've been established, we've been established for 30 years and we have, you know, that background behind us. we need the event industry, we need the government to support the event industry, we need to be at the starting line when events whenever that is, when events start up again. and that's the same not only for us, it's the same for venues like this, the same catering companies and marketing companies, it's the same for freelancers, event planners, a lot who freelance, and event companies. there is a massive industry, £40 billion industry, on its knees. and we need support from the government, not only financially but for the government to give us confidence to start up events and to run them. when we get to the starting line, we will be fine, we are a professional, creative, fantastic industry in this country. and we will be fine but we need to get to that starting line and we need the government to help us with support for that. julie and chris, thank you, and we wish you well for what comes in the future. thank you so what comes in the future. thank you so much. interesting talking about the events industry, it overlaps with sport, massive occasions, loads a business generated through sport. lots of excitement when the cricket came back, holly good morning. and then the rain but at least it was an age—old excuse. then the rain but at least it was an age-old excuse. the weather. exactly, we waited so long for cricker to return. all that time, and then the first day of the first test, west indies, england, pour down. i've been listening to the forecast morning, fingers crossed forecast morning, fingers crossed for better weather today but not looking great in southampton. we're hoping for better weather in southampton, after day one of england's first test against west indies was hit by frequent rain interruptions. before play got underway yesterday all the players took a knee to support the black lives matter movement. there were no fans present of course — and dom sibley might have been relieved, as he was dismissed early on without scoring. only 17 overs were completed, england resuming later on 35 for! — and after a three—month hiatus, they're really pleased to be playing again. it's nice for the guys who have been out there to get the competitive juices flowing again. we've done a lot of practice, we've done everything we can do but nothing quite replicates that intensity of the game. i think the guys will enjoy that, i think it's what professional sportsmen have missed and they enjoy competing and i think we are alljust very thankful and they enjoy competing and i think we are all just very thankful that we are all just very thankful that we get the chance to do that again. we've been talking this morning about golf‘s ryder cup and its postponement until next year. it did feel inevitable for an event that really does need the fans and the whole spectacle we're used to seeing when team usa and team europe clash. the players certainly felt that way. and last night i had a chat with team europe captain padraig harrington who said there was really no choice. the decision is based on health and safety but trying to get organised behind the scenes, it was going to be incredibly difficult to pull a team together that was fair and representative and all the complications that go with it. what happens if a player gets covid, what happens if there is a cluster, what happens if, do players have to quarantine for a couple of weeks? so many complications, i could just keep listing them. there is a sense of relief now that it's been pushed back and hopefully, you know, it will give everybody a fair crack at the whip in 2021 to qualify and i'll be able to pick a team based on current form. of course, potentially, fans could be there next year as well, that was such a huge part of this. basically every player had come out and talked about the importance of the fans at the ryder cup. tell me what that is like as a golfer, to be there in that atmosphere. all you have to do, look at the players playing regular events, you will see a certain golfing personality. at the ryder cup that completely changes, the way they celebrate, the way they enjoy themselves, how they get into it and that is all based on the atmosphere created by the crowds. the players play the ryder cup for the glory, there is no money involved, it's all about the glory and we can't recreate that, the buzz, the adrenaline and as i said, i'd seen over the years, the amount of players who come out of their shell in terms of their personality because of the crowds and that would be missing. itjust wouldn't be a ryder cup, it wouldn't be why the players love it so much without having the fans. gives some players some time to watch your videos on social media that you've been posting. you've certainly been keeping yourself busy? yes, you know, that's exactly it, i love doing it. i've always had an interest in trying to maybe change a few people's perspective on golfing. how people enjoy the game, some of my lessons will help the beginners and the people who are maybe playing once a week, that sort of thing. it's something to do, i've enjoyed doing it, i'm actually going to keep doing it as i go along. looks as if you're going to have a busy 2021. before you go, i am going have to ask you about wilson, you've been spending some more time with him than certainly anybody else, that's your dog, for those who don't know. how is he doing? he's getting big! he is. and he's only a puppy, he is 11 months. he is full ofjoy and i didn't know covid was coming around but obviously, having a dog in these times has been ideal, keeps your mind distracted in the best possible way. he's been a great comfort to my whole family and yeah, we will never be able to repay wilson for the joy he's brought. we wouldn't have considered ourselves dog people but now we are, for sure. we've all fallen in love with wilson. thank you very much for your time, good luck with preparations for the tour and for the ryder cup next year too. thank you very much, holly. great to have a chat last night, great to chat about his dull, if you've watched any of his videos on twitter or instagram, he's been posting videos of teaching people, teaching them about golf but his dog wilson suddenly creeps into shot every so wilson suddenly creeps into shot every so often and i love the fact he's never had a dog before and for his first dog he thought he would get the biggest one he could find but isn't he gorgeous? to be honest, i think wilson can go wherever he wa nts, i think wilson can go wherever he wants, i don't think everyone can tell wilson what to do. no, you don't argue with him. he is a big dog. but he is gorgeous. holly, thank you so much. it is 8:47am. we've been talking up by the fact that 2020 chart hits have been faster and happier compared to previous years. have you noticed that music seems a bit more upbeat recently? so could we be turning to cheery pop tunes to help get us through the pandemic? 0ur entertainment correspondent, colin paterson has been finding out. 2020, and music is getting faster. tracks by the weeknd... ..dua lipa... ..and stjhn mean that the top 20 selling singles of the year have an average tempo of 122 beats per minute, the fastest it has been for more than a decade. kamille has written number one singles for little mix and clean bandit. she has a theory about why things are speeding up. people just want to get to the point, really. i think that goes across all areas of our lives, whether it's politics, or even with food. i feel like the fact that the songs are faster means that the chorus will come quicker, and it means that you get to that point in the song where you dance, you do something, a lot faster. when you're writing, do you think about how a fast song will impact on the listener, both physically and mentally? i don't know about you, but when i hear something fast i'm like... ijust want to get into it. my heart starts to race and itjust completely changes your whole mood. so i think it's just kind of like a little natural high, almost. you know, when you get that vibe that you're just... for example, a perfect example of this song is aha, take on me. the minute that comes on, you're just like... the other trend is that the most popular songs this year are happy ones. spotify has a metric which gives tracks a happiness rating out of 100. the average has been steadily rising for two years. 58 singles into his career, drake's toosie slide is the happiest of his hits, with a rating of 84, and lady gaga, ed sheeran and taylor swift are all making far happier music than they were at the middle of the decade. 0ne band who have been thinking a lot about this are liverpool's circa waves. they had a top five album this year with sad happy. the concept — one side of sad songs, the other side of happy songs. and it turns out their fans have been streaming the happy side more, reflecting what is happening in music generally. i do think it's probably because of the current climate, and things that have just gone on recently. brexit happened, and now we're in a pandemic, and it's constantly kind of bad at the moment, if that makes sense, and we just need a little bit of escapism. and happy music is a form of therapy probably, i think, for people. although kieran thinks things will change once more if the songs created during lockdown are released. there is happy music out now, but that wasn't written, you know, in this pandemic. so, in a few months' time, you'll probably get a lot more sort of moody music coming out, and i do think it's a cyclical thing. i think eventually people will get sick of happiness and want a bit more... probably when billie eilish releases her next record, that's when it could get sad again. yes, things could be about to slow down pretty sharpish. we ask the question earlier, what songs you turn to, not necessarily happy songs. the ones you gravitate to. that reflect your mood. will says ‘bohemian rhapsody‘ by queen has helped him through the last few months. that has got to go loud, hasn't it? absolutely. and you've got to be head—banging. for phil, he says ‘suddenly i see' by kt tunstall cheers him up every time. we spoke to her at the weekend, didn't we? very perky! but lee says he'd rather listen to the smiths. # i was happy in the haze of a drunken hour but heaven knows i'm miserable now! what lee is saying is you can use music to reflect your mood. we we re use music to reflect your mood. we were talking about wallowing. what's yours, charlie? honestly, i don't know. reflecting your mood right now. it's very hard to say, i can say. that song is a great song, it works either way. it's a fantastic song! mnek is a singer and songwriter who's written for the likes of kylie minogue, madonna, stormzy and little mix, and hejoins us now from london. good morning to you, how are you? i'm 0k, good to see you, kind of see you again. is everything well? it's really well, actually. you are dressed in blue but you are smiling, what kind of music mood are you in right now? dear, well, i mean, i've been very energised during this lockdown period. but for the most pa rt lockdown period. but for the most part i've been wearing black so i'm trying to retrain myself to wear colours again. and actual clothing. it's looking fabulous. if i may say. do you think that music, producers, songwriters, have actually almost taken a step towards making more cheery music or more upbeat music to counter the oppressive mood that some people may feel with lockdown? i think people have always made happy music. it's always been the thing, it moves between happy and sad music. ithink thing, it moves between happy and sad music. i think people often fantasise sad music. i think people often fa ntasise about sad music. i think people often fantasise about being sad during times of war but now there's an actual reason to be down because the world has been flipped upside down and so, i mean, i completely understand the resurgence of more upbeat music. how hard is it for you, i assume, upbeat music. how hard is it for you, iassume, like upbeat music. how hard is it for you, i assume, like everyone else, you, i assume, like everyone else, you are absorbing quite a bit of news. everyone has their own way of dealing with that, maybe you watch a lot or don't see much and then you go to the studio and start mixing stuff. are you able to compartmentalise things or does it have a bearing. do you go in and start thinking things are a bit bad but i am going to do something that ta kes but i am going to do something that takes me out of that place? well, you know, the funny thing about lockdown and all of this has been, i've almost gone back to a child's sense of myself, it's been about enjoy making music and how it makes me feel. before, you are just consta ntly me feel. before, you are just constantly going and going and going to sessions and meeting people and all of that but now you get to really think about, i want to have fun, and that equals more upbeat music. we are going to play head and heart, your latest single. which you have done withjoel corry. let's look at this, and see where the mood took you when it came to producing that. # more than a crush, and frozen in motion. # when my heart goes # my # my heart goes # 0h # oh my god, my god, can't believe what i've become. the immediate thing when it comes to mind, that is a socially distanced video, the split screen. there you go, we were trying to set an example! you know? with that song, right, i actually heard that song at the beginning of lockdown, the day after we were told to stay in and blinded by your grace, many songs like that, really amazing songs, i heard it and instantly it lifted my mood and i didn't want to be recording or writing anything else depressing or dark stop and so this song came like a beacon of light and even as a performer, as a listener, people are yearning for that. you won't be old enough to remember, 1985, unemployment was very high and there were grim times for a lot of people, this is going back to 1985, big in the charts at that time was a song by black lace called agadoo. are you familiar with that? it doesn't represent me culturally! but you know, we went back and be rethinking what was big in those days, and people looking for something silly, you know, taking them out of a bad place? that song does that, i love the fact that you just sang it, that made my day!” will sing anything you like! but the thing is, yes, the uk in particular have a thing for novelty songs. songs that are generally in the sense of comic you need to laugh, even eurovision songs, laughing a lot, a literal laugh, and then, it's 0k, great song, the release of endorphins but they are different things but they get to the same result of making people happy with music. you know what you've done this morning? you have brightened up the end of our programmes that, thank you, but what i won't say thank you, but what i won't say thank you, but what i won't say thank you for putting an airborne, i blame charlie, he does this.” thank you for putting an airborne, i blame charlie, he does this. i did not sing it. —— putting an earworm. lots of people around the country are not going to be able to get it out of their head so thank you for that. listen, thank you so much for talking to us, lovely talking to you, always is, take care of yourself. likewise, take care. there we go, got a song in the head for the rest of the day. so sorry, have a lovely day. see you tomorrow at 6am. goodbye! this is bbc news with the latest headlines. as the cost of dealing with the coronavirus crisis now stands at nearly £190 billion, the chancellor warns there could be worse to come — with a significant increase injob losses. is unemployment going to rise, are people going to lose theirjobs? yes. and the scale of this is significant. we are entering one of the most severe recessions this country has ever seen. pressure is now growing on the government to open up beauty salons and gyms in england. dozens of people have spent the night in temporary accommodation, after a crane collapsed on a row of houses in east london. a woman died in the incident in bow. as the us breaks its record for the most new coronavirus 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