should the biden team be in panic mode? they re playing it cool. we just saw karine jean-pierre in there. look at the numbers. more tough numbers and a major slip among a key really the essential voting group for winning elections. independents. the current president is now 14 points lower than he was with these voters just in july. and a stunning turn-around we ll talk to experts to explain this one. young voters in a 2024 hypothetical now lean trump. they overwhelmingly voted for biden in 2020. a lot of factors here that we ll dig in to to what going on here. how long can the president to this and say you re looking at the wrong polls? you listen to the biden white house and you listen to the campaign and you listen to spokespeople. they say don t worry, be happy. oh, we have time. martha: hogan gidley who worked in the trump administration and philippe ryan are here. good to have both of you with us today. we re going to bring in first fox news correspondent peter do