so look this is going to be a very long appeals process. timothy mcveigh was convicted in 1997 and he wasn't executed until 2001. i think that's the kind of length of time we're looking at at the fastest. >> do you agree with jeffrey, jean the appeals process might last as long as four years? >> it's an automatic rite of appeal. they'll string it out as long as they can that's part of the process. even if he'd gotten life in prison it doesn't mean they're not going to appeal it. the defense would have appealed it. it's not an automatic right. either way the defense attorney is going to try to get the case overturned or the death verdict overturned. >> jake if i can add one thing to talk about the time horanarrizon here. 62 people are on death row. only three executions since 1988