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story in five minutes. an inquiry into breast cancer surgeon ian paterson who carried out hundreds of unnecessary operations is published today. one of his patients, paula, who had two lumpectomies, tells us she wants answers. i would look at him face—to—face and ask him why, why did you do this? and i would look straight in his eyes and want to know the answer. the rapper fredo has apologised for an snapchat video where he says he's worried about catching the coronavirus because he has and this dj and writer tells she's anxious about leaving her house because of the shocking abuse she and others of east asian origin are getting because of the coronavirus. abuse like this. "y'all didn't learn **** from sars and now you're endangering the world again. china needs to be cancelled. period". if you too have been verbally abused since the coronavirus started to spread, do let us know — use the hashtag #victorialive or send me an email to victoria@bbc.co.uk. hi. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. we're going to bring you our exclusive story in a few minutes — but i wanted to ask you if you are or were a jehovah's witness and you were sexually abused, and you wanted to let us know what the circumstances were, then our email is victoria@bbc.co.uk. let us know what you were able to do about it, if anything. it goes without saying, you can remain anonymous. some of you have already got in touch. anonymous on email: "i was abused by a ministerial servant for four years. i found the courage to tell my dad what was happening. luckily, he ignored the elders‘ persistent requests to keep it within the organisation and contacted the police. the ministerial servant was only found guilty of one incident as that was the only date my teenage brain could pin down specifically. as far as i know, he is still practising in the religion and is serving as an elder himself, which really makes me worry for current and future victims in the organisation." anonymous on email: "i was an elder and i reported a child abuser. i was deleted as an elder and i was told i was not loyal and i don't qualify to be an elder." anonymous on email: "i fell victim to this also aged ten. i'm not sure what became of the perpetrator — but when his actions became known, there was essentially a cover up. the authorities were never informed. if memory serves correctly, he wasn't even disfellowshipped from the congregation. that means expelled from the congregation. "priorities, eh?" we will read more later. do get in touch. if you wish to remain anonymous, that is fine. now annita mcveigh has the news. the government is to bring forward a ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel vehicles to 2035, as part of efforts to position the uk as a world leader on tackling climate change. the move includes, for the first time, plans to outlaw the sale of new hybrid vehicles. boris johnson will announce the measures today at a special event to launch glasgow's hosting of a un climate summit in november. leading executives in britain's aviation industry are to sign a pledge to reduce net carbon emissions for the sector to zero by 2050. the sustainable aviation coalition says more efficient aircraft, sustainable fuels and offsetting schemes will help it achieve the target, despite increasing passenger numbers. environmental campaigners have accused the industry of refusing to consider reducing demand forflying. at least 20 formerjehovah‘s witnesses are suing the group over historical sexual abuse they say they suffered, this programme has learned. the group has a policy of not punishing alleged child sex abuse unless a second person, alongside the accuser, has witnessed it — or an abuser confesses. but one former elder said it had been failing to involve the authorities. and victoria will have that full report shortly. the government has been warned that it faces a battle in the courts over its plans for emergency legislation to end the automatic early release of convicted terrorists. the move follows the attack in south london on sunday when sudesh amman stabbed two people — ten days after he'd been released early. in november, another convicted terrorist killed two people after being freed. an independent inquiry into a breast cancer surgeon who carried out hundreds of unnecessary operations will publish its findings today. many of ian paterson's patients were left disfigured after undergoing surgery at both nhs and private hospitals in the midlands. he was jailed for 20 years in 2017. half of the uk's io—year—olds owned a smartphone in 2019, according to a report by the media regulator, 0fcom. in addition, nearly a quarter of three and four—year—olds had their own tablet, and 15% of them were allowed to take it to bed. almost half of parents thought the benefits of children using the internet outweighed the risks. china's top leadership has admitted "shortcomings and deficiencies" in the country's response to the deadly coronavirus outbreak. it called for an improvement in china's emergency management system and ordered a "severe" crackdown on illegal wildlife markets — where the virus is thought to have emerged. more than 420 people have died from the outbreak — with more than 20,000 cases across the country. democratic party officials in the us state of iowa have delayed publishing the results of the first vote in the process to pick a candidate to face donald trump in november's presidential election. they said they had found "inconsistencies" in the data, but stressed the unprecedented holdup was a "reporting issue", not a "hack or an intrusion". that is a summary of the main stories. back to you, victoria. our exclusive story today — this programme can reveal that at least 20 ex—jehovah‘s witnesses are suing the organisation over historical sexual abuse by senior figures in the religion. we've spoken to two women who were abused — one from the age of eight. a former elder who served in the organisation for 55 years has revealed for the first time that he too was sexually abused as a boy. the survivors told us a two—witness rule set by the main governing body of the religion means that there must be two witnesses to any "sin" in order for elders of the congregation to take action. the head of parliament's all party parliamentary group for adult survivors of sexual abuse has described it as a system that allows abuses to flourish. 0ur reporter clairejones has this exclusive film, which contains some strong language. the jehovah's witnesses, a religious group that asks believers for their devotion, their loyalty and to faithfully follow the teachings of the bible. jehovah's witnesses‘ beliefs can be used to easily manipulate vulnerable people. if witnesses ever leave the organisation, they are shunned. and sadly it has led people to commit suicide. but now, we've learned that at least 20 former members who were sexually abused as children by members of the church are suing the organisation. i have never spoken publicly about this before, even to my family. i was sexually abused from the age of around eight and my parents would be in the next room. i use the word "buggered" because that is exactly what happened. some believe the church has protected the perpetrators. there are parents that haven't done anything about the abuse of their children by others because they don't want to bring reproach on jehovah's name. their systems allow abusers to flourish. the jehovah's witnesses organisation uses the bible as the basis for its teachings. each group meet in what's called a kingdom hall, and that's made up of elders, ministerial servants and then ordinary members of the congregation. john viney was an elder in the jehovah's witnesses for 55 years. his daughter karen was sexually abused by another elder within the congregation. she reported the abuse and then wanted to leave the group. john disowned her, which he has regretted ever since. when i was an elder, as...and as a dad, i put being an elder absolutely first. and that was a mistake. i get very emotional about this because i realise that my actions have affected others. i've affected others by disfellowshipping them — notjust my family, others. i will have had a terrible detrimental effect on the lives of other people. i was sexually abused while i was i was witness from the ages of around eight to around 12. the situation that i was put in was to help this man make tea for everybody after the bible study. so he would use that opportunity while everybody else was in the next room to touch everywhere that he wasn't supposed to touch, and my parents would be in the next room. emma — not her real name — eventually confided in her friend about the abuse. when her dad found out, he called the police. elders found out about the allegations and arrived to emma's house to find out more. so, they came round, all quite formal, sat in the living room, had a big, long discussion. they go through a lot of scripture about why we should maybe deal with it in—house and we don't need to be following the laws of the land. but they do ask you to go into a lot of detail — where you were touched, to what extent the abuse was, the location. and they ask you to thoroughly explain everything. all i can remember, really, is them sort of sat looking, just both glaring at me like... like, "you need to repeat to us what happened, you need to tell us who it was." and they asked for quite gritty details. i think my dad took over a lot because he didn't want me to have to go through it. emma's abuser eventually pleaded guilty and was imprisoned for two years, but later returned to the organisation. julie — also not her real name — was sexually abused by an elder as a child and was forced to stay quiet. it started from about eight. and how long did that abuse go on for? for several years. i think until i kind of got old enough to think, "hang on a minute, this isn't right." so it wasn't until probably senior school where i kind of got savvy enough to start giving this guy a bit of a wide berth. julie finally reported what happened to her to the police, concerned he may re—offend. this man that had sexually abused us all as children now had access to his granddaughter, who was sleeping in his house on a weekly basis. the police responded very quickly and put in safeguarding measures. the way i understood it was that he wasn't allowed to be on his own with her whilst the investigation went forward. anyway, fast forward a year and he went to trial. he was convicted and he was sent to prison. now, years later, emma and julie are one of at least 20 people suing the church. thomas beale is the solicitor representing both women. a lot of my clients first go to the organisation looking for an apology and it's their attitude in denying what's happened or refusing to engage that ultimately leads to the clients wanting to bring a civil claim. if the claims are ultimately successful, then the individuals would receive compensation to assist them with trying to get on with their life. but some believe the abuse is still present in the organisation. there are jehovah's witnesses, active jehovah's witnesses that abuse children. and i know for a fact now that there are parents that haven't done anything about the abuse of their children by others because they don't want to bring reproach on jehovah's name. they put being a jehovah's witness before doing the right thing and reporting child abuse. sarah champion, mp and former chair of the parliamentary committee looking at adult survivors of sexual abuse, has met with senior leaders from thejehovah‘s witnesses, but is not convinced they are safeguarding children. i mean, this is child abuse. i'm deafened by the alarm bells that are ringing if that's the safeguarding that's in place, and that's exactly why the charity commission needs to be getting involved, because these establishments, these congregations have a duty of care to vulnerable children. the charity commission has been investigating the jehovah's witnesses organisation since 2013. a spokeswoman said the inquiry remains ongoing but would not comment further. i'd like the organisation to acknowledge. if they won't go so far as to acknowledge the abuse that went on, to acknowledge that their systems allow abusers to flourish and that they would do everything in their power to protect vulnerable children, vulnerable adults and stamp out any corner where an abuser could be lurking. a spokesman for the jehovah's witnesses said when elders learn of an allegation, they comply with the child —— parents and victims are informed they have the right to report the matter to the authorities. the spokesman said, if a congregant has been guilty of child sexual abuse, elders inform parents with minors so that they can take measures to protect their children. i left about 12 years ago because the situation that was involving my family, my daughter, who was sexually abused by an elder. during the interview, john unexpectedly revealed to me a secret he's been hiding for decades. i've never spoken publicly about this before. only recently, even to my family and to my wife and kids. when i was a youngster, between the ages of about nine and 13, a distant family member who was an active jehovah's witness, abused me. i use the word "buggered" because that is exactly what happened. john finally went to the police over 50 years later to report what happened to him. and do you know how sad i am to have found out that that person went on to abuse other children and went to prison and died in prison as an abuser. now, what would have happened if i had had the courage and the common sense to have come forward? i didn't — and that's the biggest regret i carry with me. if you need any advice or support, you can contact the action line. here in the studio isjohn viney. he was a member of thejehovah‘s witnesses for more than 50 years, reaching the rank of an elder. he says he was sexually abused as a boy. here in the studio isjohn viney. and labour mp sarah champion is chair of the all party parliamentary group for adult survivors of sexual abuse. thank you both for coming into the studio, and appearing on ourfilm. john, you were a high—ranking member of this organisation and people, including your own daughter, were being sexually abused. what do you think about that? obviously it is a terrible crime. i was so pleased that my daughter eventually had the courage to tell us and then the whole matter went to the police, because we insisted on that, and then the abuser, who was an elder, was eventually found guilty and is now in prison. but i unconvinced that because of the stance taken by jehovah's witnesses, particularly their realfear of bad jehovah's witnesses, particularly their real fear of bad publicity, that if someone was to come forward and say they had been abused, it brings reproach on jehovah's and say they had been abused, it brings reproach onjehovah‘s name. that is such a powerful incentive to stop people coming forward but i think it is going on now —— such a powerful disincentive. there will be people now that are being abused and will not be reporting it. without going into details, you say you know it is going on now. do you have evidence? yes, i am part of a support group and we invite people going through difficulties to contact us. we are told by individuals that they have problems, summer individuals that they have problems, summer ex—jehovah‘s witnesses, and thatis summer ex—jehovah‘s witnesses, and that is the problem, when a person leaves the organisation, maybe they can't face it any more, they want to get away from the memories, often they then speak about it and then because they are now speaking against the organisation, they get what is called just fellowship, which is vacationing, and communication. jiva advised them to go to the police? absolutely. in terms of the shining, when your daughterfirst terms of the shining, when your daughter first told you she had been sexually abused, you disowned her? after she was disfellowshipped, my eldest daughter, we helped her through the child abuse and of course she did not want to be part of the organisation any more. 0nce baptised, if you decide to leave you will get yourself in trouble. she got on with her life, got a boyfriend, she became disfellowshipped, it was a public announcement, when you are publicly disowned like that, all of the family have to treat you as if you are dead, and that is what we did, because i was a good jehovah's witness. even though you have now revealed today you yourself were sexually abused as a child by someone sexually abused as a child by someone in the jehovah's sexually abused as a child by someone in thejehovah‘s witnesses? with my daughter it wasn't the sexual abuse that led to us shunning her, i knew she had been sexually abused, it was the other laws or rules, if you like, within the organisation that, technically, she had broken, which meant she should be shunned. i want to talk to you both about the two witness will, jehovah's witness tell us if at least two people, the one making the accusation and someone else who can verify this or other acts of child abuse by the accused person, establish the charge, then an ecclesiastical judicial committee establish the charge, then an ecclesiasticaljudicial committee is formed. i mean, it isjust extraordinary. jehovah's witnesses will tell you it is based on a bible edict... i don't care! what do you say, sarah champion? the whole thing is barking, thank you to victoria derbyshire for exposing this, most of the programmes would not go near it, and thank you tojohn of the programmes would not go near it, and thank you to john for having the courage to come forward. john is an example of the deep induction nation that goes on, so from the youngest age, the jehovah's witness is all that you know, it is completely all—encompassing. the fear of being shunned, for your own parents to see you as dead, that is a perfect —— pretty hefty penalty for speaking out. the two witness will is clearly barking, unless it isa will is clearly barking, unless it is a paedophile ring, virtually all child abuse happens in isolation, thatis child abuse happens in isolation, that is how it operates. so to be believed by having someone watching it immediately rules out almost every case from going forwards, and the people you are reporting it to our likely to be the abusers. they said the only way a child abuser can gain access to children in a religious organisation like ours which does not have programme separating children from parents is through the parents themselves. to me, that is suggesting that parents are completed. we know that is not true from one of the women we spoke to, emma, she made the tea after a meeting, her parents were on that side, a man goes and touches her com pletely side, a man goes and touches her completely inappropriately and abusers her. the elders are the next step down from god injehovah's witnesses, of course you would trust them, they are the words of god. so if they set your child needs additional biblical studies, that would be seen as a wonderful thing, this person is helping the child. why would you question it? the indoctrination is deep. john, you can come back, the statement adds that the organisation had educated pa rents that the organisation had educated parents on the dangers of child abuse and how they can protect their children, elders comply with child abuse reporting rules even if there is only one witness and parents and victims are informed they have the right to report the matter to the authorities. that last piece is a very new piece of information. the public statements have only ever said we do not prevent people from going to the police, which is a very negative view. i would have to say thatjehovah‘s negative view. i would have to say that jehovah's witnesses tell lies. when they say they do or don't do certain things, i now know that is not true. not all jehovah's witnesses tell lies, like not all people, not all catholics, etc. we we re people, not all catholics, etc. we were shaking our heads when the bit about reporting it came up, after i spoke out about two years ago i met with some national elders and they brought their lawyer along, they don't recognise the police, they recognise god, they don't recognise any authority apart from god, they did not see it was their duty to report it, because why would they? god is justifying them. report it, because why would they? god isjustifying them. they report it, because why would they? god is justifying them. they set up an ecclesiasticaljudicial committee, according to an earlier statement that happened so long as there are two witnesses to child abuse, so they would deal with it in—house? abuse, so they would deal with it in-house? the abuse it would be asked, did you do it? if they say no, that is the end of the matter.|j think the fact that you have revealed that you were abused as a young boy is quite extraordinary. how do you feel about being public about that? one of the reasons that people don't come forward is, number one, the shame. when i was a boy and it was happening, i have to be honest, i was so not understanding of what was happening that i did not speak out, then when you get to the nature when you think you should have said something, then you think... i realised i should have said something earlier, so the whole thing was compounded. i and glad i have spoken up, it is an unusual situation because it means almost two generations ofjehovah‘s witnesses have been abused in my family, so for them to say it is not a problem, it obviously is, and i hope that from this appeal you are making that many, many people will e—mail or telephone to say that what they are saying is not true. how much does it play on your mind that you were not able to report this earlier. i had to be honest, i got on with my life. i can say it has not affected me, but i know it has affected many, many, many hundreds and even thousands of other people. i have got on with my life, but i know something needs to be done because it is affecting lots of other people, that is my main concern. you are other people, that is my main concern. you are aware other people, that is my main concern. you are aware that the person who abused you went on to abuse others? and that is why there isa abuse others? and that is why there is a need for people to come forward. they are, let me read to messages, they are all anonymous. i was raised a jehovah's witness until i left at 18, i was abused as a child and felt like i had to cover it up because i am male, so was he. i was raised believing homosexuality was a i was raised believing homosexuality wasa sin i was raised believing homosexuality was a sin and it would mean i would be killed at armageddon, so i kept it as be killed at armageddon, so i kept itasa be killed at armageddon, so i kept it as a secret. eventually i came out when i was 16 and was put in front of the elders who asked lots of questions, including about the abuse, which they did nothing about. they isolated me from the rest of the congregation and advise my family to limit conversation. they treated me as if i was the danger and the abuser. i lost all of my friends and most of my family. this view and says i am a survivor of jehovah's witness child abuse. it was my father, the two witness will 90 was never disciplined, he is still active in the church. when i spoke out i was told to look for the goodin spoke out i was told to look for the good in my dad, like god has, and to forgive. this, iwas good in my dad, like god has, and to forgive. this, i was a witness until i was 17, forgive. this, i was a witness until iwas17, i read forgive. this, i was a witness until i was 17, i read with shock the statement you receive from the jehovah's witness about child abuse and that they regularly tell the congregation how to protect their children. this is not true, at least not when i was a witness. child abuse was never talked about, but fornication was a regular topic of conversation, sex before marriage, dressing ina conversation, sex before marriage, dressing in a provocative way which would have made brothers or men uncomfortable was forbidden and drummed into us from as long as we could talk. do you believe there are pa rents aware could talk. do you believe there are parents aware that their children are being sexually abused by members of the jehovah's witnesses and are doing nothing about it?|j of the jehovah's witnesses and are doing nothing about it? i do, because they will be conscious of the fact that by speaking up, they will be seen as a troubled family, and if you become a troubled family, you are likely to suffer internally. the charity commission have been investigating jehovah's witnesses since 2013, almost seven years. what is going on? personally, i regularly and routinely receive letters from people who have been thrown out of jehovah's witness because of abuse they suffered as a child. i would be recommending that they go to the charity commission, i know the charity commission, i know the charity commission, i know the charity commission has had many, many concerns about this, as have the police and, for me, this is where the problem lies, the charity commission can only church where the run—up they are meeting their charitable objectives. the police can only act when they know that a crime is being carried out. the jehovah's witness are playing a very delicate game at the moment of not publicly breaching either of those. but it is a safeguarding issue, that should be an issue of the charity commission? i know the police are doing a very broad investigation at the moment, and ifi doing a very broad investigation at the moment, and if i could plead to everybody watching this or who knows people who have been in the situation to either e—mail me, the programme, we will pass it on to those officers. would you like to see the jehovah's witness organisation stripped of charitable status? i personally believe that what they are doing is fostering abuse, enabling abuse and deliberately not reporting abuse, that must be in breach of their charitable objectives and so at the very least i would want a complete investigation into their safeguarding, which i do not believe either exists or what they claim to be safeguarding is not robust at all, it is an absolute abomination. another viewer says i was at the age of 16 for having sex outside of marriage. while i was disfellowshipped, a family member who was a jehovah's witness, raped me. i was told not to report this to the police. i was made to wait another two months before i was reinstated. he was disfellowshipped but then reinstated and the crime was not allowed to be reported. another viewer says, i was abused from my early teens until i married the man. 0dd. as a young, vulnerable child, ifell victim to the man. 0dd. as a young, vulnerable child, i fell victim to the greening and position of trust —— the greening and position of trust. when i was greening and position of trust. when iwas an greening and position of trust. when i was an adult i understood that i was abused. when i went to the elders i wanted to get a divorce but i was told i did not have grounds for divorce. it was absolute living hell. can i come in on the specific point of the positions of trust, one of the things i'm campaigning on with the safeguarding charity is that at the moment there is a legal loophole so if you are a teacher or social worker and in the position of trust and have sex with them it is automatically a crime. if you are a fa ke automatically a crime. if you are a fake leader or sports coach, that doesn't exist —— a faith leader. what i would argue is that the position of authority that elder had over the child is more than a teacher would. i'm asking the government immediately to change that legal loophole. absolutely. i thought the sports coach loophole had been closed as a result of the footballers who appeared on the programme. tracey crouch is working with me because whilst she announced that in 2017, all they have done is a review. the law has been changed at all. well, i did not realise that. i thought that had been brought in. unfortunately not, it's been kicked into the long grass along with other measures that could safeguard children. one of the thingsjohn was talking safeguard children. one of the things john was talking about was the impact. next week i'm launching a report, i've worked with over 400 aduu a report, i've worked with over 400 adult survivors and the impact of being abused as a child is lifelong. mental health, physical health, trust. it has an impact on employment, relationships. what we need to be focusing on as a country is prevention and what we need to be focusing on is supporting survivors. thank you so much for speaking out. i'm going to read the statement again. a spokesman for the jehovah's witnesses said in a statement "the only way that a child abuser can gain access to children in a religious organisation like ours, which does not have any programmes that separate children from their parents, is through parents themselves". he added that for "decades" the organisation had educated parents "about the dangers of child the spokesman said when elders learn of an allegation they "comply with child abuse reporting laws even if there is only one witness", and that parents and victims are informed they have the right to report the matter to the authorities. he continued: "if a congregant has been guilty of child sexual abuse, our elders inform parents with minors so that they can take measures to protect their children." thank you for your messages. i've got some more which i will try and read but i want to mention the action line advice support line again. if you need advice or support you can contact the action line bbc.co.uk/actionline — or call 0800 077 077 — where you can hear recorded information — lines are open 24 hours a day. coming up later in the programme. we'll be taking a look at plans to make flying greener and asking if they can really work. also coming we'll be hearing from this dj and writer, who tells us she feels anxious to leave her home after receiving shocking online abuse like this because of the coronavirus. an independent inquiry into a surgeon who told women they had cancer when they didn't and carried out hundreds of needless operations is due to publish its findings injust over one hour's time. in 2017, ian paterson was convicted of 17 counts of wounding with intent, and after initially getting a prison term of 15 years, it was then increased to 20 years. he worked at nhs and private hospitals in the midlands. three years ago it was announced 750 of his victims would receive compensation of £37 million. just moments before they were about to hear the outcome of the inquiry, i spoke to sarah jane downing, who underwent surgery in 1998 after she found a lump, but discovered paterson removed perfectly healthy breast tissue, and deborah douglas, who had an unnecessary mastectomy. what does sarah want the outcome to be? this has been a huge, life changing experience for me and everybody in the group. i don't think anybody‘s life will be the same again. and what we are really hoping more than anything is for the enquiry report today to offer us some sense ofjustice, so that our case is looked at, the real, full extent of the number of people it's affected and how badly it's affected people. but also, to make a difference for the future because what we want more than anything is to make sure that people will never be treated the way we've been treated and people can actually be safe and trusted their health care providers in the future. thank you very much, sarahjane. we appreciate that. thank you for your patience. deborah, i know that you need to go in as well to the inquiry to hear the outcome of this. how would you say ian paterson has affected your life? um, i wouldn't say he's taken over it but i've fought forjustice for those people that can't, justice for those who are now dead and can't speak. from that perspective, i was at court, i gave every piece of evidence that i could, i fought for this enquiry and was at the forefront of fighting forthe inquiry and i hope the recommendations will benefit all of us. i've also been speaking to paula gelsthorpe — she underwent two lumpectomies carried out by mr paterson in 2002 and 2009 - she's since found out both were unnecessary. the diagnosis was cancer and it was a lumpectomy. so he said you had breast cancer? yes. how did that diagnosis affect you? pretty bad. at the time, my aunt was going through breast cancer. to go and have to tell my family that i had breast cancer as well was just devastating. and the lump came back seven years later. what treatment did he give you then? a second lumpectomy, more or less in the same place. once again, diagnosed as cancer. but he actually said, i'm lucky because we've caught it in time and no further treatment. you have since found out that there was no need for those lumpectomies. exactly. the lumps were completely harmless. yes, that's correct. this inquiry has been a long time coming. what would you like to see from it? absolutely. i think foremost, protection of patients. what's happened to me has happened, it's gone, with all the consequences of that. but i think we need to look, as of today and to the future, we need protection as patients. what does that mean in practical terms, though? that doctors need to be accountable for. at the moment, i don't believe there's any accountability. there's no procedures in place that i know of. i know it's been advisory. when you talk about accountability, ian paterson is injail. he was jailed for 15 years, that sentence was increased to 20 years. is that not the ultimate accountability? it is for him, yes. but, as i say, what we've got to do now is look at the future for patients that come along, that need doctors' assistance. we rely on doctors, we trust them. they are supposed to be the professionals, they have our lives in their hands. and we have to have some accountability for that. can i ask you, almost the biggest question of all, why? why would this man do this? why would he tell women they had breast cancer when they didn't? why would he carry out unnecessary surgery when they didn't need it? i don't know, i've no idea whether there have been a few things, that it was monetary or that had this god aspect of, you know, the power over people. i don't know and i don't think we will ever know, unfortunately. i'm hoping that within the enquiry, that something does come out of it. i'm not very hopeful for that, to be honest. what, you think there might be more clues as to why he did all this in the outcome of this inquiry? i was hoping so but we'll have to wait and see. i think it's midday, we won't know the results and the outcome until midday. and we'll find out then. sure. what would you say to this man who is now injail for the horrendous emotional and physical pain he put women like yourself through? i would look at him face—to—face and i would ask him, why? why, why did you do this? and i would look straight in his eyes and i would want to know the answer. and what would you tell him about what he did to you? i would tell him of all the pain and suffering. my parents came to see me in 2002 straight after the operation. he shook their hands and he said, she's in good hands. that is just despicable, despicable. how would you describe him? are there any words for this? it's just. . .a despicable man. paula, we will see what the inquiry brings. thank you so much, we appreciate your time, thank you. thank you. in a statement spire healthcare apologised for the "significa nt suffering" experienced by patients who were treated by ian paterson in its hospitals, and accepted that there were a number of missed opportunities to challenge his criminal behaviour. it says lessons have been learned and the spire has made significant changes to the way consultants are monitored. big changes are coming to how we get ourselves around. the last date to buy a new petrol, diesel or hybrid car in the uk will be brought forward from 2040 to 2035 — and also today, the uk aviation industry is going to announce plans to make flying greener. they are promising to reach net zero carbon emissons by 2050 and say "off—setting" is the main method airlines will use to reduce the carbon footprint. what is offsetting? you can offset the environmental impact of yourjourney by paying a company a small fee that they'll invest in planting trees, installing solar panels, or technology that captures methane gas from the atmosphere. here's an example — a boeing 777 full of passengers travelling from london to cape town and back again would emit the same amount of c02 that it would take to heat your home for a year. if you wanted to offset the environmental damage for every passenger on that flight, you would need to plant the equivalent of 175 trees. alongside off—setting, uk airlines say they will also be introducing hybrid planes and eventually fully battery—powered short—haul planes to better their carbon footprint. but will these measures work? let's talk now to justin francis who's the founder of responsible travel, he doesn't think offsetting schemes work. the chair of an organisation called sustainable aviation, neil robinson — he works with airlines and airports across the uk to try to make them more sustainable. and jeff engler is in new york, he's the ceo of wright electric, who are building the first commercial electric aeroplanes. is carbon off—seating cheating? yes. things that sound too good to be true often are to be picked to be true. when we put carbon into the atmosphere, it stays there for decades, hundreds of years, sometimes thousands of years. we cannot cancel that out with carbon offsetting. it is a distraction from the real need which is to reduce the amount of carbon we put into the atmosphere in the first place. how do you respond to that? it is a misnomer to say we start with offsetting. can you answer the point about offsetting? where we see most savings coming from is from more modern fuel—efficient aircraft... you're diverting away from the question. what we are talking about now our carbon emissions and justin francis just said they are there, they stay there. when we put all of those technologies together, it doesn't get us to zero and the long—term direction of travel, the science tells us we've got to get to zero. we think there is an ongoing role for carbon reducing projects and we think they have real value, they need to be transparent and high quality but they make real savings in carbon so they have a role to play. how do they make savings on carbon? members invest in land management practices, forestry, projects that have consequential benefits to the developing world. they provide valuable resources and sources of funding for carbon saving projects that would otherwise never happen. they make a real difference. i support those initiatives but not as an excuse to keep flying as we are. the announcement this morning that we are going to be emitting 70% more carbon or 70% more flights, we cannot do that. yes, i support those initiatives but they do not mean that we can't look at ourselves as an industry and individuals and acknowledge we have to put this carbon into the atmosphere. we have ten yea rs carbon into the atmosphere. we have ten years left. a very short period of time in which all sectors, including aviation, need to reduce the amount of carbon they put into the amount of carbon they put into the atmosphere. he says you should be saying to people, you have to fly less, sorry about that. this is really challenging for everyone. you're not going to do that? really challenging for everyone. you're not going to do that7m really challenging for everyone. you're not going to do that? it is particularly challenging for aviation. we need to be consistent and led by the science. the government have set us a clear objective, net zero emissions by 2050 on the advice of the committee on climate change. i wonder if that would change in the light of this petrol, diesel and hybrid vehicles decision. it is led by the science and is consistent with the advice from the committee on climate change. if the science changes then we will of course change our view. it is important we play a full and active part in it and that's what we plan to do. so, your electric of planes the lower cost, low emissions, how do they work differently to conventional planes? they are electric planes just like electric cars. these batteries and motors instead of fuel and then we have an engine as a range extender. are they the future, considering that at the moment they need to be charged every couple of hours? yes, they are part of the future. it is a daunting task but we are working ha rd daunting task but we are working hard to get there. k. do you think you'll be able to build a battery that would sustain long haul flight? 0ur that would sustain long haul flight? our goal is flights that are about one hour, so london to paris or amsterdam, to go very long distances is going to be hard for batteries to get there. ok. how long before your short full electric planes are rolled out? we are targeting 2030, so rolled out? we are targeting 2030, so the end of the decade. rolled out? we are targeting 2030, so the end of the decade! rolled out? we are targeting 2030, so the end of the decade. a cake. i am excited about it? absolutely. every morning i look forward to go to work and try to help build the technology. from a consumer point of view, will it cost more to fly on an electric plane? no, it should be comparable. the experience should be very similar. are you sure? we will probably tell that about electric ca rs probably tell that about electric cars but they are still very expensive for normal people. cars but they are still very expensive for normal peoplelj cars but they are still very expensive for normal people. i think any new technology costs more in the beginning but over time we think it should be the same price. beginning but over time we think it should be the same pricelj beginning but over time we think it should be the same price. i don't know if we'll still be alive by then. justin francis, we've seen this announcement about vehicles today, new sales being stopped five yea rs before we today, new sales being stopped five years before we expected. could there be a similar announcement when it comes to aviation? yes, i hope so. it comes to aviation? yes, i hope so. the government has clearly got a role to play in setting the playing field for how we get to the future. 0ne field for how we get to the future. one of the things i would like to talk about is that aviation fuel is incredibly unusual, it is one of the few untaxed heals in the world. we have air passenger duty but it doesn't make anywhere near up the difference that it is untaxed. if aviation fuel was taxed then flying would be up to four times more expensive than it is now. what i would like to do is put a bit of tax on to aviation fuel, currently untaxed. i would like to ring fence it, capture it and give it to guys like our colleague here, jeff. i would like to see what you're doing accelerated, massive investment, so we can fly clean, quiet, green and sustain communities and environments. and of course what that would do, at the moment we still have this public conversation where it seems to be green versus the economy. what happened in this price some people are of flying and rich people would be the only people who could fly in the end. what's really interesting is 15% of the population take 70% of the flights. there is a small number of people taking a large proportion of flights. they are the ones we need to get to. from your organisation which is sustainable aviation, you work with airlines and airports across the uk, would you back some tax on aviation fuel which at the moment is tax free? we would happily pay for emissions which is what we are proposing... i'm asking about tax on fuel. i can see why tax is superficially attractive but the problem is they don't work. because? because aviation is inevitably international and what airlines do when you increase cost on any single country is they are very smart, they ta ke country is they are very smart, they take their aircraft and operate where costs are lower. that doesn't benefit the environment, itjust reduces choice for people in the uk. do you not think some people would reduce the amount of flying they did if the cost was more expensive?” think what people i talk to want... what i really want is you to answer one direct question rather than deflecting with a prepared answer, please. i think we are more than prepared to pay for the emissions and the full cost of those emissions. what we see is that when we apply taxes to aviation, they don't work. they don't drive down emissions per people pots choice because they make the traffic go to third countries and that would be really unfortunate for the uk. one viewer says, 2050 is a long way off and by then technology will probably have sussed to the problem and there will be and industry equivalent to that of the electric cars. another viewer says, what about commercial agriculture which contributes more to global warming with the massive amounts of methane it produces? that is not fine according to some people which is why there is the movement for people to reduce their meat intake. and farmers and agriculture are involved in that as well. another viewer, climate science has been solid for 30 years, they should have had time to do something about it by now don't you think? thank you all for coming on the programme. british rapper fraydo has apologised to chinese people he may have offended with a video he posted on snapchat. in the apology, the rapper — who you can see here performing with stormzy at glastonbury — said he's not racist, but that he's received calls from his manager and people in the chinese community since posting the video, which we can show you now. all my neighbours are chinese and there is a chinese sickness going around, maybe i need to stay the bleep away. we're going to talk to one woman who's recevied horrific abuse which i'm going to read to you — it was posted on instagram after she wrote an online piece about the way she's been treated since the coronavirus outbreak. obviously, i won't use the swear words in it, but even without them it's vile. jex wang received those messages. 0h, jex wang received those messages. oh, my god. grace. i know. i made one post on instagram and i got a lot of support but my inbox was quite hateful messages. those were the worst ones because the worst ones i had to blockjust to protect my mental health. what is the explanation for this kind of racism? i feel like a lot of it has to do with the media and the hysteria that the media is doing. i was on the cheap and the evening standard said china virus is taking over and i think the media is overplaying it quite a lot and they are demonising chinese people. i think they are trying to blame, shift blame. i don't have the answers completely but a lot of it does have to do with the media and the mass hysteria that the media and the mass hysteria that the media and the mass hysteria that the media has produced and the fake news going around as well. there's that one video where the woman eating a bat isn't even in china and thatis eating a bat isn't even in china and that is false news. you could see why people would share that. exactly, it is clickbait. people wa nt to exactly, it is clickbait. people want to sell articles. it feeds into the hysteria. what you think about the hysteria. what you think about the snapchat video from fraydo?m is ignorant because if he has chinese neighbours it's like, well, that doesn't really do anything because in order to get the coronavirus you need to be in contact with someone from wuhan. in the uk, it's just, contact with someone from wuhan. in the uk, it'sjust, i don't even know how to describe it. i'm quite offended because, you know, i got the same treatment when i was a child when thejex outbreak happened. my friends parents said they weren't allowed to hang out with me any more in case got sars. i was nine and i hadn't been to china for two years. i grew up in australia. it's not only chinese people, a lot of the east asian people, a lot of the east asian people are going through the same thing. people moving away from us on public transport. that's why i've been anxious to leave the house because when i first saw the virus my first thought was for the people in wuhan and what they are going through. my second thought was, i'm going to have to deal with more racism because of this. fraydo has apologised, do you accept that i'd because if people realise that what they said is wrong and they've educated themselves and they admit that, it helps other people realise they might have had the wrong thought as well. i got a few m essa 9 es thought as well. i got a few messages like that on instagram where people said, thank you for saying this because originally i had these racist thoughts and i didn't realise it was racist. you helped me realise it was racist. you helped me realise my thoughts are not correct. iam allfor realise my thoughts are not correct. i am all for people learning and growing from this experience. it's still the initial racism that is quite offensive. what you want to say to people? about the anti—chinese racism being directed at some people because of what started in wuhan? i would like people to educate themselves on the virus and see where it it is actually coming from, what it's actually coming from, what it's actually doing, how they can help chinese people said it doesn't spread further. seeing all this hate, i would prefer it if people shared ways to prevent the virus. that's a lot more helpful because all of this racism and xenophobia does nothing to prevent it from spreading at all. it doesn't help the situation. don't stay in the house. go out, educate people. thank you, jex. thank you for watching. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you for your company today. have a good day. good morning. it has been a fairly windy start to the day with a few showers around this morning as well. actually, we had some sunshine as well. not a bad start in suffolk this morning. for many of us it will stay dry into the afternoon with a sunny spells. the winds are continuing to ease down. stilljust the odd shower, particularly around the odd shower, particularly around the midlands into eastern and south—eastern areas of england and some showers moving into the west as well. plenty of sunny spells, especially for scotland, northern ireland and northern england. three tonight, the cloud will clear away and there will be some clearer skies. mist and fog developing around central areas. temperatures dropping away so there will be a in the countryside and the towns and cities just above freezing. 0n wednesday, the it's time for could be stubborn clearing away. around that there will be some sunny spells and maximum temperatures 8—10 with some light winds. bye—bye. you're watching bbc newsroom live. it's11am and these are the main stories this morning... the prime minister sets out plans to ban the sale of new petrol, diesel, or hybrid cars by the year 2035 as he launches uk's climate conference strategy alongside sir david attenborough. we don't need to emphasise to them to you that the longer we leave it and end up talking about our problems, the worse it's to get. this comes as the former minister who was until last week president of cop26 attacks the government's climate approach. the inquiry into breast surgeon ian paterson who carried out hundreds of unnecessary operations will be published in an hour. victims and their families arrive to hear the results.
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