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distracted. >> it doesn't seem like he's sitting up looking forward. >> how a woman crossing the street paid the price. and he's a big ranter on the web. now you'll see francis like never before. >> hear about the lady in his life. >> someone asked how did you marry that woman, is she blind? even if she was blind, she could feel what was going on. >> this could make your flight a little less relaxing. [ screaming ] >> that is a woman screaming on an american airlines flight from miami to tampa. a short flight. but as can you see, she has gotten incredibly emotion. >> god is my savior. >> she is screaming "god is my savior." >> i don't know if the guy next to her knows her. he's been trying to calm her down. >> she's been freaking out for the last 20 minutes. she started out by telling everyone to pray for her mother. >> according to this video, she did run up and down the aisle asking people to pray for her. he says that the flight attendant did come to him and said if this woman does try to get to the back of the plane, tries to get to the door to open it, do everything in your power to get her under control. thankfully nothing like that happened but this continued until the plane landed. >> i feel bad for her. she's obviously having some sort of mental breakdown trapped on that plane. thankfully it was a short flight. >> i feel bad for her but i feel worse for the people on the flight. >> we know airfare is not cheap nowadays. >> according to the poster of the video, the police were waiting for her when they got to the gate at the airport in tampa. we reached out to american airlines and they did not get back to us by our deadline. >> police in atlanta are looking for a man between 18 and 25 years old. what you're seeing here is a carjacking. it's happening right at the victim's home. the victim right there in the blue shirt. he's in his driveway and the young man has a pistol on him. >> edmonds said the young man demanded the keys forismer mced to back up into his home. >> he followed him inside the house? >> he fold him in the house. >> what's going through my mind is how do i make it out of this? i was thinking about getting hold of my gun somehow but i might not be here telling the story had i done that. >> he said when he went in the house, he told his friend in the living room call 911. edmonds barricaded himself in the bathroom but the suspect came in with the gun grabbing the keys. but when it was time to leave, he didn't leave in an elegant way. he only opened one gate and it's a two-gate driveway. >> i don't think it was about the car at this point. i think the guy needed a quick way to get away from something else. >> police are still looking for this young man who did this. they have recovered the car. they are processing it, hoping to find evidence and find out who this guy is. >> owen's been serious live injured and now there's an investigation into this bus ride in kansas city, missouri. this is right before 7:00 a.m. we're seeing this from all sorts of different angles from this bus. now we're seeing the driver himself. he reaches down there, reaches down to maybe where you pay your fare. as he comes up to the intersection, makes a stop. that's fine. when he goes to et left, watch right here. that's a woman crossing the street. that is 68-year-old loreen reese. apparently she did have the right of way in this instance but she was struck by this bus in the middle of that intersection. not only struck but dragged under the bus for an entire block. the driver oblivious to the accident. he had no idea what just happened until a bistander who saw what happened runs down, starts pounding on the door of the bus letting him know what happened to this woman. now, she's seriously injured, internal injuries, a broken leg, road rash. a family member said she's in an induced coma. >> he keeps reaching down by the time he gets to that intersection. >> maybe by the time he did look up, she was in his blind spot and wasn't paying clear attention. he was a distracted driver at the time this happened. >> police do believe this woman was in the driver's blund spot. whether he was distracted or not remains to the seen. everyone hopes the woman is okay. >> look at what tim freed is about to do with this black mamba. >> two bites, nice. >> bitten twice by that snake. >> is he trying to develop a resistance to this thing or what? >> that's exactly correct. tim has been working with these snakes for a while and he's been injecting himself with diluted snake venom to prove you can build up a resistance to deadly snake bites. typically a bite from that type of snake will kill people in about 20 minutes. people that don't get treated by anti-venom die 100% of the time, according to reports. >> is he still with us? >> tim is still alive. during the course of the video, he doesn't appear to have any ill effects from the snake bite except a little swelling from around the bite itself. >> it looks real. i wonder what a doctor would say, if it has any otherily effects on the body. it's still poison. >> tim keeps about a hundred snakes in his basement. he hopes by showing you can build up a human immunity that they can develop anti-venom drugs more efficient. >> a couple of dudes bust in on their friend in the shower. >> steal all his stuff and then do this. >> oh! >> see what happens next in the bare naked prank. >> excuse me. >> and he's showing off his shotgun and then -- >> he said it misfired. >> but is this misfire misleading? >> ma? [ [ mamalele a annnnouounc] ever since daryl got gain with lift & lock, he loves the way his laundry smells. [ woman n ] ] hohoneney,y, isn't that the dog's towel? [ [ papantntining,g, g gr] [ [ mamalele a annnnouounc] eh, what are you gonna do? ththe e amamazazininglgly y clt of gain with lift & lock. because all these whole grains aren't healthy unless you actually eat them ♪ multigrain cheerios. also available in delicious peanut butter. healthy never tasted so sweet. we'll take something tasty and healthy. ♪ must be the honey! ♪ there's a party going on in your cereal bowl ♪ ♪ o's can help lower cholesterol ♪ ♪ oh why does it taste so great? ♪ ♪ hey! must be the honey! >> you know that dream, we've all had it, where you're completely naked in a weird place where you shouldn't be naked? these guys made that dream a reality, one of their friends, in a prank. they have a tv so in new zealand. they're pranking their buddy sky. he works with them as well. they know guy goes to the gym and takes a shower in their office building at the exact same time every day. so they go in while he's showering, steal all his stuff and then do this. >> get the fire alarm. >> they get everybody else out of the building and they pull the fire alarm. >> and he doesn't have anything to put over his stuff, nothing? not a thing? >> not a thing except things that he can find in the bathroom. he gets some paper towels. >> he's clever. >> uses that to kind of shield his junk. >> and then here comes guy outside where all these other people are waiting. everybody else is in on the prank. pretty good prank. if you're feeling bad for guy, this was revenge for some prank he pulled on these guys earlier so they're in a prank battle. >> if you walk out and see the whole office, whha, ha, ha, youo back inside. >> is this legit? head to our facebook page and let us know. >> this guy shows off his weaponry to his friends. then he shows off his -- >> lizard knife. >> but then comes the shotgun. >> and i bought a 500 -- [ gunshot ] >> he said it misfired because he didn't have the safety on. listen closely to what he says after. >> ma? [ bleep ]. >> he's says luckily nobody was upstairs. he said after this happened, his mom did take his gun and he's hoping he gets it back again. >> i'm always suspicious about the misfire. you have to look at the gun itself. >> no. i'm going to say no. because the debris coming from the ceiling -- i would imagine if it was going to flutter down, we wouldn't see it immediately. >> we don't know what the roof is made of. >> i'm on the fence. >> he said ma took his gun. that sounds real. >> when he makes a promise, he delivers. >> we said we'd find her. >> she a workout guru but she's really well known for her posterior. the reason david poutnoy is interested in finding her is because she's pretty popular. >> she obviously knows what she's doing. she has all these different exercises. >> these guys are doing the ladies in service by putting these workout videos on the web. >> these guys are really just worried about physical fitness, too. >> this is a video you play over afrd over and do it from hope. >> it's not from the same angle. >> one of the first comments was "bless the cameraman, you are doing god's work." but after it's over, we get all of these glorious motions in slow motion. >> you know why it's no slow motion? it's so you do the move the right way. >> some dirt bikers go hard at a turn. >> the guy up ahead gets out of shape and trns into a pile-up. >> why you haven't seen the worst of it. >> this is what happens when you forget to tighten the gas bottle pipe and then start a jet engine right next to it. >> see the big damage done by the fiery blast. 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has the fire been replaced with butterflies and pup each dogs and eye cream cones? >> married life is nice. i'm enjoying it so far. i still can't believe i have to buy that dang connect with my xbox. come on, sell it separately school. >> he can channel it quickly. >> how did you find her? how did it come to be m. >> we met through my youtube channel. i was talking about the death of my mom who had just passed in 2009 and she had lost her best friend very recently as well. she saw the video and wrote me. we felt that connection the very first time we talked. i'm a lucky, lucky guy. someone asked me how did you marry that girl? is she blind? even if she was blind, she could feel what was going on. you have to accept she really loves me. >> congratulations, man. we're really happy for you. >> whoo! >> these dirt bikers in a pro am event in walnut, illinois, go hard charging in the first turn. guy up ahead gets out of shape. one guy stopped before that guy in the green cameo. >> that guy is jeff walker. he goes through a big tumble but basically escapes without just bruises. the guy who got the worst injury, the guy with the go pro. as he went down, his left hand got caught in the wheel of another motorcycle. >> like in the spoke? >> yeah, broke his hand and he had seven stitches on his finger. pretty rough compared to what happened here. you don't see josh's hand getting caught up in his own bike. >> he looked like he prevented an accident. it looked like he stopped sew he didn't run into that guy and he got the worst of it. >> it's giving the amateurs an idea how fast they are archdiocese match up with professional riders. all these guys trying to prove themselves maybe going too fast into this first turn because a bunch of guys don't make it. >> dude pulls off of one heck of a stars wars inspired costume. >> he'd definitely be like the tallest guy in the room. >> ♪ if you wanna go and fly with me ♪ ♪ it's buzz the bee on your tv ♪ ♪ oh how did i get this way? ♪ hey! must be the honey! ♪ there's a party going on in your cereal bowl ♪ ♪ o's can help lower cholesterol ♪ ♪ oh why does it taste so great? ♪ ♪ hey! must be the honey! ♪ ♪ hey! must be the honey! ♪ hey! must be the honey! this is landon ellis. he's a water skier. at first you're like lots of people can water ski. no big deal. i wasn't that impressed. there he goes on his back. now he's barefooted. >> how does that work? >> pretty cool. >> we've seen people barefoot ski before. >> is he on his hand? >> on one foot. >> it's like a trapeze act at this point. >> flipped over, he's skipping across the water on his butt. >> it looks like he's on ice. >> he's just skimming right across the top. >> the kid has got incredible strength. >> oh, he's got a girl friend that does the same thing? >> looks like it. backwards, jumping up and off the boat. he looks like he's made with oil, just wouldn't mix with water. >> he's really amazing. >> colin has a popular youtube channel. he's always souping things up. the guy does all kinds of crazy stuff, welding things, adding gasoline, things on fire all the time. in this video, he suffered a bit of a boo-boo right there. >> oh! >> is that a burn? >> yeah, a horrible burn. >> those are horrible burns all over his hand and arm blistering, just disgusting. here's how he got it. he said this is what happens when you forget to tighten the gas bottle pipe and start a jet engine right next to it. >> oh! >> that's the explosion that led to the injuries you just saw. look at his skin just peeling off. that's disgusting. it's hard to watch. but what happens when you have big giant, dis gusting blisters all over your arms. you have to pop those things. and all the junk starts to leak out from all these different blisters. >> it's like colin honey. >> four days later he starts taking some bandages off. he now looks better. >> he looks like a zombie. >> six weeks later, a little improvement. >> six weeks later, he's almost back to normal. then in perfect colin fashion. >> let's get this thing running. >> some of this stuff is pretty gross but go to rightthisminute.com and click on best of rtm or watch on our mobile app. >> hands down, one of the best star wars costumes i've seen this year. >> i think it's the first i've seen. >> me too. >> he said all thee he needed m spring stilts and he made himself the atst costume. i love how there is one special effect you see in this. >> you say all he needed were some spring stilts, like there's a spring stilt store you go to and get yourself a pair. >> having a box over your person, that does keep you from having anything to catch yourself if you fall. >> you have to know how to walk on those things. i am impressed. i love that there are people around to see this and there are other people dressed up in the room. very clever. >> that's our show, everybody. we'll see you for the next >> announcer: live, from new york city, it's "wendy williams." today, siggy flicker, don lemon and jane velez-mitchell join the hot talk panel. plus, it's flash back friday, our favorite moments from the show. and all the latest juicy hot topics. now here's wendy!

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distracted. >> it doesn't seem like he's sitting up looking forward. >> how a woman crossing the street paid the price. and he's a big ranter on the web. now you'll see francis like never before. >> hear about the lady in his life. >> someone asked how did you marry that woman, is she blind? even if she was blind, she could feel what was going on. >> this could make your flight a little less relaxing. [ screaming ] >> that is a woman screaming on an american airlines flight from miami to tampa. a short flight. but as can you see, she has gotten incredibly emotion. >> god is my savior. >> she is screaming "god is my savior." >> i don't know if the guy next to her knows her. he's been trying to calm her down. >> she's been freaking out for the last 20 minutes. she started out by telling everyone to pray for her mother. >> according to this video, she did run up and down the aisle asking people to pray for her. he says that the flight attendant did come to him and said if this woman does try to get to the back of the plane, tries to get to the door to open it, do everything in your power to get her under control. thankfully nothing like that happened but this continued until the plane landed. >> i feel bad for her. she's obviously having some sort of mental breakdown trapped on that plane. thankfully it was a short flight. >> i feel bad for her but i feel worse for the people on the flight. >> we know airfare is not cheap nowadays. >> according to the poster of the video, the police were waiting for her when they got to the gate at the airport in tampa. we reached out to american airlines and they did not get back to us by our deadline. >> police in atlanta are looking for a man between 18 and 25 years old. what you're seeing here is a carjacking. it's happening right at the victim's home. the victim right there in the blue shirt. he's in his driveway and the young man has a pistol on him. >> edmonds said the young man demanded the keys forismer mced to back up into his home. >> he followed him inside the house? >> he fold him in the house. >> what's going through my mind is how do i make it out of this? i was thinking about getting hold of my gun somehow but i might not be here telling the story had i done that. >> he said when he went in the house, he told his friend in the living room call 911. edmonds barricaded himself in the bathroom but the suspect came in with the gun grabbing the keys. but when it was time to leave, he didn't leave in an elegant way. he only opened one gate and it's a two-gate driveway. >> i don't think it was about the car at this point. i think the guy needed a quick way to get away from something else. >> police are still looking for this young man who did this. they have recovered the car. they are processing it, hoping to find evidence and find out who this guy is. >> owen's been serious live injured and now there's an investigation into this bus ride in kansas city, missouri. this is right before 7:00 a.m. we're seeing this from all sorts of different angles from this bus. now we're seeing the driver himself. he reaches down there, reaches down to maybe where you pay your fare. as he comes up to the intersection, makes a stop. that's fine. when he goes to et left, watch right here. that's a woman crossing the street. that is 68-year-old loreen reese. apparently she did have the right of way in this instance but she was struck by this bus in the middle of that intersection. not only struck but dragged under the bus for an entire block. the driver oblivious to the accident. he had no idea what just happened until a bistander who saw what happened runs down, starts pounding on the door of the bus letting him know what happened to this woman. now, she's seriously injured, internal injuries, a broken leg, road rash. a family member said she's in an induced coma. >> he keeps reaching down by the time he gets to that intersection. >> maybe by the time he did look up, she was in his blind spot and wasn't paying clear attention. he was a distracted driver at the time this happened. >> police do believe this woman was in the driver's blund spot. whether he was distracted or not remains to the seen. everyone hopes the woman is okay. >> look at what tim freed is about to do with this black mamba. >> two bites, nice. >> bitten twice by that snake. >> is he trying to develop a resistance to this thing or what? >> that's exactly correct. tim has been working with these snakes for a while and he's been injecting himself with diluted snake venom to prove you can build up a resistance to deadly snake bites. typically a bite from that type of snake will kill people in about 20 minutes. people that don't get treated by anti-venom die 100% of the time, according to reports. >> is he still with us? >> tim is still alive. during the course of the video, he doesn't appear to have any ill effects from the snake bite except a little swelling from around the bite itself. >> it looks real. i wonder what a doctor would say, if it has any otherily effects on the body. it's still poison. >> tim keeps about a hundred snakes in his basement. he hopes by showing you can build up a human immunity that they can develop anti-venom drugs more efficient. >> a couple of dudes bust in on their friend in the shower. >> steal all his stuff and then do this. >> oh! >> see what happens next in the bare naked prank. >> excuse me. >> and he's showing off his shotgun and then -- >> he said it misfired. >> but is this misfire misleading? >> ma? [ [ mamalele a annnnouounc] ever since daryl got gain with lift & lock, he loves the way his laundry smells. [ woman n ] ] hohoneney,y, isn't that the dog's towel? [ [ papantntining,g, g gr] [ [ mamalele a annnnouounc] eh, what are you gonna do? ththe e amamazazininglgly y clt of gain with lift & lock. >> you know that dream, we've all had it, where you're completely naked in a weird place where you shouldn't be naked? these guys made that dream a reality, one of their friends, in a prank. they have a tv so in new zealand. they're pranking their buddy sky. he works with them as well. they know guy goes to the gym and takes a shower in their office building at the exact same time every day. so they go in while he's showering, steal all his stuff and then do this. >> get the fire alarm. >> they get everybody else out of the building and they pull the fire alarm. >> and he doesn't have anything to put over his stuff, nothing? not a thing? >> not a thing except things that he can find in the bathroom. he gets some paper towels. >> he's clever. >> uses that to kind of shield his junk. >> and then here comes guy outside where all these other people are waiting. everybody else is in on the prank. pretty good prank. if you're feeling bad for guy, this was revenge for some prank he pulled on these guys earlier so they're in a prank battle. >> if you walk out and see the whole office, whha, ha, ha, youo back inside. >> is this legit? head to our facebook page and let us know. >> this guy shows off his weaponry to his friends. then he shows off his -- >> lizard knife. >> but then comes the shotgun. >> and i bought a 500 -- [ gunshot ] >> he said it misfired because he didn't have the safety on. listen closely to what he says after. >> ma? [ bleep ]. >> he's says luckily nobody was upstairs. he said after this happened, his mom did take his gun and he's hoping he gets it back again. >> i'm always suspicious about the misfire. you have to look at the gun itself. >> no. i'm going to say no. because the debris coming from the ceiling -- i would imagine if it was going to flutter down, we wouldn't see it immediately. >> we don't know what the roof is made of. >> i'm on the fence. >> he said ma took his gun. that sounds real. >> when he makes a promise, he delivers. >> we said we'd find her. >> she a workout guru but she's really well known for her posterior. the reason david poutnoy is interested in finding her is because she's pretty popular. >> she obviously knows what she's doing. she has all these different exercises. >> these guys are doing the ladies in service by putting these workout videos on the web. >> these guys are really just worried about physical fitness, too. >> this is a video you play over afrd over and do it from hope. >> it's not from the same angle. >> one of the first comments was "bless the cameraman, you are doing god's work." but after it's over, we get all of these glorious motions in slow motion. >> you know why it's no slow motion? it's so you do the move the right way. >> some dirt bikers go hard at a turn. >> the guy up ahead gets out of shape and trns into a pile-up. >> why you haven't seen the worst of it. >> this is what happens when you forget to tighten the gas bottle pipe and then start a jet engine right next to it. >> see the big damage done by the fiery blast. wwhehen n babackck p paiain n , closed captioning provided by: well, guys, our favorite angry youtuber is back, our buddy francis. we've been big fans of francis for a long time. he rants on about stuff like this. in this videos me mad about people giving miley cyrus crap. >> she can do what she wants, she can say what she wants, she can love who she wants. only god can judge her! only god! >> that's a voice unique to a man known as francis. but we're about to see a side of francis that we've never, ever seen before. >> ladies and gentlemen at my wedding -- >> now francis goes into his normal setting here where we normally see him rant about all kinds of stuff. but this time he's talking about his wedding. >> overall the wedding experience was phenomenal. let's congratulate him. let's talk to our man francis. we have him via skype. hey, congratulations, buddy. >> i did it. >> i want you to tell these guys about how you said this was the first time you really felt like you were at home after being married. >> i grew up with a crappy home with a crappy family that didn't like me very much. this group of people, they're just well adjusted, they're like normal, healthy, happy. on that day i didn't just gain the love of my life, but i gained this incredible family and for the first time in my life it feels like i belong somewhere. >> where's your fire? has the fire been replaced with butterflies and pup each dogs and eye cream cones? >> married life is nice. i'm enjoying it so far. i still can't believe i have to buy that dang connect with my xbox. come on, sell it separately school. >> he can channel it quickly. >> how did you find her? how did it come to be m. >> we met through my youtube channel. i was talking about the death of my mom who had just passed in 2009 and she had lost her best friend very recently as well. she saw the video and wrote me. we felt that connection the very first time we talked. i'm a lucky, lucky guy. someone asked me how did you marry that girl? is she blind? even if she was blind, she could feel what was going on. you have to accept she really loves me. >> congratulations, man. we're really happy for you. >> whoo! >> these dirt bikers in a pro am event in walnut, illinois, go hard charging in the first turn. guy up ahead gets out of shape. one guy stopped before that guy in the green cameo. >> that guy is jeff walker. he goes through a big tumble but basically escapes without just bruises. the guy who got the worst injury, the guy with the go pro. as he went down, his left hand got caught in the wheel of another motorcycle. >> like in the spoke? >> yeah, broke his hand and he had seven stitches on his finger. pretty rough compared to what happened here. you don't see josh's hand getting caught up in his own bike. >> he looked like he prevented an accident. it looked like he stopped sew he didn't run into that guy and he got the worst of it. >> it's giving the amateurs an idea how fast they are archdiocese match up with professional riders. all these guys trying to prove themselves maybe going too fast into this first turn because a bunch of guys don't make it. >> dude pulls off of one heck of a stars wars inspired costume. >> he'd definitely be like the tallest guy in the room. >> this is landon ellis. he's a water skier. at first you're like lots of people can water ski. no big deal. i wasn't that impressed. there he goes on his back. now he's barefooted. >> how does that work? >> pretty cool. >> we've seen people barefoot ski before. >> is he on his hand? >> on one foot. >> it's like a trapeze act at this point. >> flipped over, he's skipping across the water on his butt. >> it looks like he's on ice. >> he's just skimming right across the top. >> the kid has got incredible strength. >> oh, he's got a girl friend that does the same thing? >> looks like it. backwards, jumping up and off the boat. he looks like he's made with oil, just wouldn't mix with water. >> he's really amazing. >> colin has a popular youtube channel. he's always souping things up. the guy does all kinds of crazy stuff, welding things, adding gasoline, things on fire all the time. in this video, he suffered a bit of a boo-boo right there. >> oh! >> is that a burn? >> yeah, a horrible burn. >> those are horrible burns all over his hand and arm blistering, just disgusting. here's how he got it. he said this is what happens when you forget to tighten the gas bottle pipe and start a jet engine right next to it. >> oh! >> that's the explosion that led to the injuries you just saw. look at his skin just peeling off. that's disgusting. it's hard to watch. but what happens when you have big giant, dis gusting blisters all over your arms. you have to pop those things. and all the junk starts to leak out from all these different blisters. >> it's like colin honey. >> four days later he starts taking some bandages off. he now looks better. >> he looks like a zombie. >> six weeks later, a little improvement. >> six weeks later, he's almost back to normal. then in perfect colin fashion. >> let's get this thing running. >> some of this stuff is pretty gross but go to rightthisminute.com and click on best of rtm or watch on our mobile app. >> hands down, one of the best star wars costumes i've seen this year. >> i think it's the first i've seen. >> me too. >> he said all thee he needed m spring stilts and he made himself the atst costume. i love how there is one special effect you see in this. >> you say all he needed were some spring stilts, like there's a spring stilt store you go to and get yourself a pair. >> having a box over your person, that does keep you from having anything to catch yourself if you fall. >> you have to know how to walk on those things. i am impressed. i love that there are people around to see this and there are other people dressed up in the room. very clever. >> that's our show, everybody. we'll see you for the next now at 5:00 an elderly woman targeted at a bay area walmart. that's preying on a child. an alert viewer led to an arrest. a looming bart strike has a deadline. union warning of a strike monday morning. the governor signed and vetoed new gun laws. both sides are not happy with the governor. good evening. we begin with coverage of the looming bart strike. we are just three days away from a second possible bart strike. the union gave their 72 hour last night. bart contract talks took a new turn as the general manager sat down face-to-face with the union. we have insight into how the negotiations are proceeding today. >> i've been covering this all week. sometimes you have to judge what's going on by slight shift in tones. today i caught up with union members and i'm hearing more optimism about how things are going now that they've the general manager at the table. we have have from earlier -- video from earlier. they've been at it since 10:00 and there's been two face-to- face meetings between the gm and the leaders. some of the sources say it was a get to know you kind of meeting. the union were laying out the reasons behind their proposals. >> people are talking. the elected leaders facilitating. so we've a long day ahead, the elements are here together that are needed for the two parties to come together. there's a lot of legislatures here. a lot of us here last night. a lot here today. we're here to keep the progress. we're feeling good. we like to see the talking continuing. you heard from a union leader but we have not heard from bart. i've been talking to people who say they are in meetings between the bart management and the union. that's a good sign. they did issue their 72 hour strike notice. you heard it live on ktvu. we'll have an update at 6:00 and bring you more if something breaks before that.

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lou dobbs reporting on my cut backs because of obama care. caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. >> bill: hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. why the debate over stop and frisk is so intense, that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. the privacy of americans under siege, high tech makes it easy to spy on us. and intrusive policies like airport security patdowns are tremendous inconvenience. and then there is stop and frisk. nobody likes being a prisoner in their own neighborhood. but in some places that's what's happening. but the police are not the guilty parties, criminals are. last weekend in chicago, another 6 people shot dead, 28 others wounded, including a 7-year-old boy. the windy city has turned into afghanistan, so far this year, a 8 children and teens have been murdered. chicago has lost control of the situation. the violence is centered in the poor black neighborhoods and it's the same in most other american cities. here in new york, under the very liberal mayor david denkins, murders were topping 2,000 aer year. then rudy giuliani took over and new policing strategy was put in place under police commissioner bill bratton. essentially the cops flooded the high crime zones, arresting known thugs for just about anything. the plan worked. last year there were just 419 murders in new york. a city of more than 8 million people. one of the tactics police used to discourage thugs from carrying illegal guns is stop and frisk. whereby officers search people they believe may be loitering or look suspicious. most of those frisks are minorities. and that is causing deep anger. >> you can't give people authority where there civilian or police officer the right to just stop somebody because of the color of their skin. >> bill: that was trayvon martin's mother. a federal judge agrees with her. ruling that the nypd must modify its stop and frisk program. liberals are overjoyed but not so fast. the unintended consequence of a slowdown in stop and frisk could be death the losers if this case is allowed to stand are people who live in minority communities. 97% of the shooting victims in new york city last year were people of color black or latino. >> bill: not only that 8% of the accused killers in new york city are minorities. that's why people of color are under more scrutiny it is beyond belief that people think cops get up in the morning looking to give black people a hard time. it's based on public data and safety. with that said intrusion. i can't stand the airport security deal. if i was being patted down on my way to the deli, it would not make me happy. and that happens to people of color all the time in this city. there is no pure solution to the problem. but the police should record why they stop an individual. that is the fair and constitutional thing to do. but throwing out stop and frisk would be madness. just look at chicago. the violence there could be stopped by flooding the zone with police on literally every corner of dangerous neighborhoods. but if the city did that, you would hear the howls of indignation from the racial hustlers who would rather see kids die than admit there is an acute social and criminal problem in many precincts. a very tough statement but it's true. that's the memo. last january, 15-year-old hadea pendleton an honor student was standing in a park near her chicago home. suddenly, a shootout erupted and the young girl was killed. first lady michelle obama attended her funeral. joining us from chicago nathaniel pendleton the girl's father. first of all very sorry for your loss, sir and appreciate you coming on this evening. >> thank you. >> bill: how do you you see the policing controversy? how do you see it? >> first, i want say stop and frisk against minorities is totally unfair. this isn't just happening black neighborhoods and hispanic neighborhoods. it's happening everywhere and perfect example of that is sandy hook, also. so, the thing is i think tougher gun laws are much better. is a much better deterrent than just making people, pulling, criminalizing people for what you think this guy may have -- you know. >> bill: look, i disagree with you and you know that and i appreciate you coming on here. it isn't all over the place. not my neighborhood in long island. you don't have drive by shootings and gangs there. two guys charged with killing your daughter were gangsters who were looking to kill other gangsters. this has been going on in certain neighborhoods. not on the gulf coast. not in the suburbs of chicago. it's going on in your neighborhood and going on in poor black neighborhoods. so i say that you flood the zone with police as they have in new york city. the police use the stop and frisk tactic to discourage criminals. to discourage them from bringing guns on to the street. you have seen the tremendous drop of murder here in new york city. not very different from chicago, by the way. ethnic city. plenty of folks. you have seen it come down from more than 2,000 to 400 it would work in chicago but they simply won't do it because of social pressure. in light of what happened to your daughter, do you think you might reconsider? >> >> i can't reconsider because it could be a lot of innocent, young men being criminalized for walking up the street. >> bill: patted down and alo loued to go on their way. granted it's annoyance and intrusion and you could construe it as an insult. but if you look at where the crime is and where the problems are they are not going to be patting white people down in bloomingdale. >> you don't agree that's all depending on how that officer feels that morning. >> bill: if the officer does. >> just a quick pat down. but most of the time it isn't. it's, you know, get on the ground. >> bill: are you tell me you don't trust the police. >> i'm not saying i don't trust them. i'm saying that's a lot of power being given to them. >> bill: it sand i agree with you 100%. it's t. is a lot of power given to the individual officers who randomly select people to pat down. there is no doubt about it you are absolutely right. what is the greater good. i feel so sorry for you and your family your daughter was so lovely and was going to have a great life. she was an honor student. there is no way this should have ever happened yet. >> if you use aggressive police statistics has proven in new york city. you will cut this kind of madness down. we have to pay a price sometimes. >> but you know what? i think tougher gun laws would have kept that kid in jail. >> bill: how? you have the toughest gun laws in the country in chicago and illinois. that's not going to stop the criminals from getting them. >> no, not necessarily. because the thing is, in new york, if you get caught with a gun on the streets, do you three years. >> bill: you have that law on the book in illinois. they just don't enforce it. >> that's the subject. >> bill: you have it? >> that's the subject. >> bill: all right. but, still, if you discourage these thugs from carrying, if they don't carry, then the murder rate goes down. give you the last word. >> i would say putting three years and making examples of them does -- goes a whole lot further than just pulling everyone over saying i'm going to frisk you. don't get knee wrong, you do have your subjects, these police officers know who the guys are that is carrying the guns. it's no secret to it. we just need tougher laws to be able to keep them in jail. >> bill: i agree with you there. absolutely. mandatories for anyone carrying illegal firearm or anyone carrying one. you might want to check out the ha dediya pendleton foundation. next on the rundown crowley and colmes react to the stop and frisk policy. charles krauthammer reacting to american children and marijuana off the incredible situation we reported on last night in seattl to benefit cancer research i rode across the atlantic. crossing an ocean with your body as the motor, it hurts. so my answer was advil. 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>>. no because we see the evidence, bill. the evidence is that major metropolitan areas in this country that have the strictest gun controls in the books like washington, d.c., detroit and chicago. have the highest gun murder rates in the entire country. we also know the converse that in areas of the country where gun control is relatively lax, crime rates go down. an armed society is a safer society. that's a different question than the police in stop and frisk. >> that's not necessarily true. in texas, they have you know, you can carry and it's fairly easy to acquire a gun legally. but houston is -- you know, it's a dangerous place because you have got a lot of that what we were talking about. the neighborhoods that are out-of-control. that's where all the crime begins. do you believe stop and frisk, colmes, is racial profiling? >> the way they do it in new york is i'm not against stop and frisk and neither is the court. the court way it's being implemented in new york in newark where they're every month putting on line who is being stopped. racial -- what race they are and complete transparency that's the way to do it. and civil libertarians. >> bill: have an officer who stops somebody do what? >> write down how are stopping. write down the race of the people stopping. write down the reason. articulable suspension. >> bill: yont object to that do you object to that. >> if there is is the time and opportunity to do that. >> no, make the time. they have to make the time. >> one part of this policy that nobody is talking about which is the question part. which gets to your point, it's called stop question and frisk. when the cops pull somebody over or pull somebody off the street and first question them before they actually do the frisk, and, in fact, only half of the people in new york city, the blacks and latinos in particular that they are pulling aside to question, actually go through the frisking part of this. and by the way, the u.s. supreme court 68 sounded found it constitutional. >> bill: she would have thrown it out if she could but she couldn't because the u.s. supreme court already ruled on it. >> not everybody gets frisked. >> you have to it have articulable suspension before you stop somebody. >> they do. >> alisyn: hanging around for four hours. and not. >> bill: 89% of all the accused killers are minorities, where would you -- >> -- i understand the point. >> bill: excellent. >> then write it down and do what they're doing in newark which is a large black population. >> neighborhood profiling not racial profiling. >> write down the articulable suspension and what and -- suspicion and what you are doing. >> i submit to you if russian shot down young black males are that he this would be flooding the zone in the russian- >> -- 43 reduction in crime since 2002. los angeles, a 0% reduction in violent crime and murders since 2002. >> los angeles under bratton did pretty much what they did here. >> they don't have stop and frisk. >> bill: they don't call did that. >> you are wrong as usual. they call it intervention. street intervention. it's not called -- see stop and frisk. that was a bad pr move. they should not have named it stop and frisk. they should have named it encounter and explain. encounter and explain. then it would have been okay. the municipalities could have went on and explain it encounter and explain. do you have a gun? >> we actually agree with this even though you say i'm wrong as usual. >> are wrong about l.a., they do the same thing they just named it something else. last one. >> let me point out minority issue. when you talk to most minorities in high crime areas they want stop, question and frisk, because it's their lives. >> the polls say most minorities are for it according to a quinnipiac poll. >> most of the police force going into the high crime areas are also minorities. minorities protecting minorities. >> i am now giving permission for every police department in the united states of america to change stop and frisk to encounter and explain. e and e. >> you are welcome, america. >> i just want to stop the deaths. i feel so sorry for that 15-year-old girl and her family. oh, god. directly ahead. still no one held accountable for the massive benghazi screw up and no bad guys taken into custody. we will have an update on that four. later, why did the judge in the fort hood massacre case refuse evidence of an al qaeda connection? 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the ad is being paid by a group called special operations speaks. its political director larry ward joins us now from new orleans. what exactly does your group want, mr. ward? very simply thanks for covering. this we need a select committee for benghazi. and we need a select committee now. the standing committees that issa so bravely has been putting out there to investigate this committee. they are just insufficient. i think issa and chaffets and even boehner to some respect really want to get to the truth on this. they don't have the dability to do that. >> bill: so you want the house of representatives to appoint how many congress people on her special committee. how many do you want. >> select committee. what it is we need the members of congress to be able to subpoena intelligence. >> bill: you have got to set up a structure. i'm wanting to know what the structure is. so you are going to have a totally different committee. it's not going to be oversight. it's not going to be any of these. it's going to be totally different committee, right? special committee. >> sure. >> who appoints? boehner appoints? >> boehner would appoint there would be a committee to appoint the members of the committee. >> the committee to appoint the committee? >> look, i don't know the details. >> bill: you guys have got to figure that out because that's important it? >> is important. but most importantly, this is key. is the reason that we can't get the answers for benghazi through the standing committee is they do not have the power to subpoena intelligence. >> bill: you are absolutely right. they don't have that power. but you always going to have. >> more importantly. they don't have the requisite clearance to read the documents that they are subpoenaing. >> bill: but you are always going to get redacted documents from the state department. you know that but they should have subpoena power to bring these people in. so at least the american people know what happened. we don't even know what happened. we can't get any answers on what happened. this is the biggest stonewall that i think i have ever seen this is a huge stonewall. let's not get ahead of ourselves. have a special committee. boehner has to take the lead because you know because you put the three provocative billboards up in his district. >> he doesn't have to take the lead. >> he has to because it's not going to get anywhere unless he does. >> that's not true. that's where the stockman disdischarge petition comes. in steve stock don member from texas put a discharge commission for house bill 36 which calls for the select committee. what we need is either 218 or one. we need 218 members of congress to sign the stockman discharge petition. we need them to do it as soon as possible or we need one speaker of the house to come to his senses. >> bill: so boehner could do it just by himself but he won't do it. why not? >> you know, you would have to ask him. >> bill: i'm asking you because you are involved in this situation. why not? >> we have our theories but the truth is. >> bill: give me a theory. >> every single member of congress constitutionally has the right to the highest clearance in government. >> bill: you are dodging my question, mr. ward. i will ask you again. you took three billboards out in boehner's district. you are putting pressure on boehner. he hasn't done it so far. why not? >> the truth is, he believes that the standing committees can get to the truth. i'm saying that he is wrong. and if he thinks that the standing committees can get to the truth, then all we have to look at is what happened in fast and furious. like you said, this is all they got in fast and furious at the end of the day. redacted documents. that's all that they got. >> bill: well, look, there is no doubt about it that fast and furious and benghazi and a number of other things have been covered up. simple as that. >> absolutely. >> mr. ward, thank you very much. let us know what what happens. plenty more as the factor moves along this evening. is american culture degenerated to a point where children are being corrupted charles krauthammer will analyze that question. is it legal on the judge saying no to evidence of an al qaeda connection in the fort hood massacre case? 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>> not the case at all. you are exactly right. it is by any definition bogus. but the reason they are denying it so vociferously. >> bill: they are denying it. >> forever 21 is because they are getting hit by unions. they are getting hit by left wing activist groups. >> bill: they are scared. they don't want to go up against the obama care -- >> -- exactly. >> zealots. >> exactly. >> he are talking about a company with $4 billion in sales. the owners are multibillionaires. this is no small enterprise. it's a worldwide. >> bill: they want to sell clothes to liberal people. >> absolutely. >> bill: i mean, forever 21 you can be conservative or liberal if you are forever 21. we here on the factor as you know are pure and we don't play any kind of game like that. >> think of driven snow. >> sure is the word that we are here. so i want to know from you, economic guru, how bad this is going to be in the next four months as far as american business taking full-time employees, dropping them down to part time before the january first deadline? >> it is not only happening in businesses across the country, that is reducing part-time hours to 29 and a half or something below 30 to avoid the impact of the affordable care act, it is happening across relatively large businesses that are labor intensive. fast food, restaurants, hospitality, in particular. >> right. >> but this is -- this is really an effort right now by forever 21 and other companies to avoid boycotts. >> bill: but the question is we understand that in the fast food industry, because of the turnover is so great. >> right. >> bill: that if you are going to process every guy that comes in and out. every person that works for you and for four months and doesn't on obama care you will drown in paperwork. >> you will drown in paperwork anyway. it's estimated that this will add. >> bill: wait a minute. we assume that this industry is going to do this. they are going to cut down their workers to 29 hours just to avoid the chaos. but, the big corporations, are they going to do it as well? because that will make the unemployment rate. >> you don't have to the big companies, hiring 50 employees or more. president obama just gave them a kiss. you know, they don't have to worry about it until 2015. it was a problem for big companies. let the little guys sweat. >> bill: all right, so they got the waiver for a year. but do you anticipate that the unemployment rate is going to go way up because these people are taking off the full-time rolls? >> to a degree. and the reason is that we're seeing the creation of more part-time jobs than we are full-time jobs. >> bill: they are not counted in the unemployment rate? >> exactly. you lou dobbs guru of business assume unemployment is going to it rise because of obama care? >> it's going to rise in part because of obama care. indeed it does rise. >> that's not going to help the president. >> the president doesn't need any help. >> he is down in 35% approval on economic matters. >> but, bill, six rounds of golf on march that's vineyard? 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>> the judge is absolutely right on this. what the judge said is look, you can't bring in really old evidence, back to 2003. >> it's old, okay? >> the evidence is old? >> it's old evidence. >> bill: can't have old evidence. >> we don't have old evidence in new trials when they don't need it. the prosecution has brought an 80-plus witness list. >> bill: not the judge's prerogative to say you don't need it? >> absolutely. here is. why the judge is looking at the record saying i want to keep this trial as clean as possible. the prosecution is going to win. this guy is going to be convicted. he will look at the death sentence. >> bill: doesn't want any distractions. >> i disagree with that i think the evidence is evidence. if this guy had ties to al qaeda or is trying to have ties, that should be known to everybody. >> judge guilfoyle concurs, you are correct. >> thank you and i usually am. >> it's true though. if it's reasonable it there isn't a reasonable objection that should be sustained on this. it should come in. i don't think it's too remote in time. it's probative. the jury should hear it let the record stand. don't cower in the face of appeal. >> it's not cowering. >> it is. >> the judge is trying to keep the record clean. the judge has has to look at relevance vs. prejudicial value. >> relevance? >> let me finish. >> the guy is killing american soldiers nge the priewlings does not have to prove motive, a they don't need. this b. >> i like the all the evidence that is involved in the case. >> of him talking with the taliban. >> you are bloviating, all right? >> i'm telling the truth. >> for the families of the people who were killed. >> right. >> they deserve to see all the evidence. period. >> they deserve a conviction. >> i don't care if it's inconvenient or old. >> they deserve. >> inconvenient jihad. that's not and you know it that it would not inhibit a conviction. >> true. now, in oklahoma, they had a vote. >> right. a vote. the folks. >> the folks. the folks said no sharia law in our state. now, i was not aware that they were cutting off wrists in tulsa when you shoplifted. >> i know. >> this was a symbolic vote, correct? >> come on o, still, there have been defense attorneys have that have tried to introduce sharia law as a defense. >> bill: in oklahoma? >> in u.s. legal courts. they said they went band we haven't seen it happen here. this doesn't matter. the point is you don't apply international law. the united states has its own set of laws. >> bill: why would they have to vote on that. if that's on the books why would they have street? >> the amendment, the reason why they is getting struck down as unconstitutional the amendment specifies sharia law singles it out as religion and international. if you excise that portion out. then i believe it would fail. >> if the amendment stopped at the judge shall not consider any international law,. >> bill: including cherie. >> a including but but not excluding. you know, not. >> the folks in oklahoma wanted to make a statement. and that's what. >> so the judge threw the statement out and said you can't single out sharia or islamic law. >> >> i think it's a total waste of time. i don't think anybody even needs it terrible, terrible, terrible case in new mexico. 10-year-old boy, ladies and gentlemen, shoots his father to death because the father was, according to the boy and his brothers abusive. and boy is now on trial wiehl, correct? >> yes. is he now 14 years old. on trial for first degree murder. they are not trying him as an adult. if convicted he will be in jail or some kind of facility until he is 21 years old. this case really breaks my heart. there is a loft evidence that both he and his siblings were abused not just. >> there is strong evidence that this guy was terrorizing the children in physical ways. >> the boy was trying to get the help, anybody to help and nobody helped the boy. >> let me ask you this, guilfoyle. even though he is he tried as a minor and whatever happens is he going to be out at 21. if i'm on the jury and they can prove that this guy over a long period of time was terrorizing these kids physically, i'm going to it acquit this kid. >> yeah, they are going to have a big problem. this is uphill battle for first degree murder charge. >> why did the prosecution even bringing it. >> to be honest with you there is the evidence. this is the type of case that should go to a jury. however they are charging a first degree. that's very severe in this case. >> bill: wait, wait, wait. weem says there is compelling evidence and physical abuse did you see he that evidence. >> i have read all the reports on it. what i'm telling is you that is something that should be considered and the judge can factor it in at sentencing. >> this is a problem that i have discretion bringing the charges they bring murder one is not appropriate for this boy. >> bill: should have been manslaughter. >> something. >> counseling. >> i hope the kid is acquitted. >> you don't put a charge out like that. >> you have got to protect yourself. if this was going on as the reports say but they have to prove that so you are right. it should be in the court. let's prove what happened. if i'm on the jury and that was happening, 10 years old. he is off. >> get the boy some help. >> is it legal everybody. krauthammer on deck. is the u.s.a. harming children by embracing libertine policies? 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did you know he that? that's coming in colorado. >> well, i will check them out the next time in denver. >> bill: we can be flippant about it but you know what i'm saying that once a child gets involved with intoxication as a psychiatrist you know this, as as a former teacher i know. this once a child gets involved with intoxication of any kind, any kind, childhood is over, their whole life changes and not for the better. and this is what's happening here in america. >> well, look, let me stipulate a couple of things. number one, alcohol is a lot worse. i have seen what it does as a doctor. it destroys the body. aggression, car accidents, a lot of damage. if i were starting a society from scratch, and had to choose the intoxicant, i would outlaw alcohol and i would allow marijuana. it's besign compared to alcohol. the problem is this, bill. you never start society from scratch. alcohol is ingrained in the culture. we learned that in prohibition. you have to regulate it. and my question is, do we really want to add a second intoxicant onto that? who knows, it leads to other things. look. marn is n marijuana is not the worst thing in the world. there's alcoholism, there's abortion, crime, a lot of other stuff that i think i would -- >> for a child -- >> yes, it does -- >> the message being sent to children is, it's okay. when i was growing up and when you were growing up, all right, as children now, not, once the vietnam thing kicked in and drug, sex and rock and roll. but as children, we were taught that this was forbidden. it was not a good thing. the exact opposite message is now getting across. and you couple that with what's happening in the entertainment industry, with the rap music and all of this stuff that's coming out of there, and strong, responsible parents can counter it to some extent. but weak parents cannot. and i'm telling you, bourque was right. our culture is actually harming the most defenseless among us, the children. it is. >> but what's odd is that that was the argument made by bourque and many others, especially in the '80s, when this became rampant, but what's interesting is that many of the inices of social dysfunction, like teen pregnancy, crime, homicide, all these things have gone down over the last 20 years. >> but they've intense phipps in certa certain areas. >> but generally speaking, i agree the culture has become more coarse. there's an effect where the social dysfunction have actually improved. so, i'm not sure we really know the correlation. but i agree with you on the point. you don't want children stoned. you don't want a lot of people in society stoned. i would be very interested. i do think that the states are the laboratories of democracy. and we -- it's interesting that we should study what happens in washington and colorado, because we will see, as it comes in, has this had an effect on addiction to harder drugs, has this had an effect on auto accidents? 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in orlando and the men and women taken from us, those who loved them. we see some of the true character of this country, the best of humanity roaring back. the fierce resolve that will carry us through not just this atrocity but through whatever difficult times may confront us. it's our pluralism and our respect for each other, including the young man who said to a friend he was super proud to be latino. it's our love of country and our unity, the outpouring of love that so many across our country have shown to our fellow americans who are lgbt, a display of solidarity and it might have been unimaginable even a few years ago. ought of this darkest of moments, that gives us hope. seeing people reflect, seeing people's best instincts come out. maybe in some cases, minds and hearts change. it is our strength and our resilience. the same determination of a man who died here, who traveled the world mindful of the risks of a gay man who spoke for all of us when he said, you cannot be afraid. we are not going to be afraid. may we all find that same strength in our own lives. may we all find that same wisdom in how we treat one another. may god bless all who we lost here in orlando, may he comfort their families, may he heal the wounded. may he bring some solace to those whose hearts have been broken. may he give us resolve to do what's necessary to reduce the hatred of this world, to curb the violence and may he watch over this country that we call home. thank you very much, everybody. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." very, very strong words from the president of the united states. we're covering the breaking news. the president's very emotional statement about guns and violence just moments ago. right now we just heard it, after visiting with survivors and families of the victims of the orlando shootings. here with me in "the situation room," our chief political correspondent dana bash, chief political analyst gloria borger, jeff zeleny, senior political reporter manu raju who is up on capitol hill and our white house correspondent michelle kosinski. >> this isn't the first time we've seen the president in this role. and what was striking to me about his speech is, yes, he spoke about isis and the notion of these lone wolf attacks but he very early on in the speech turned to the question of politics and guns and said, you know, we can't catch every deranged person that wishes to do harm but we can do something about the amount of damage that they do and that politics makes it very easy for terrorists or a disturbed person to buy these kinds of powerful weapons. so yet again, we heard the president talk about gun control and put this really very much in a political context as well as a foreign policy context. >> because he definitely spoke about this was a lone wolf attack. he said, dana, catched in the mind of the disturbed person, a single killer with a powerful assault weapon and then he spent a lot of time talking about the availability of guns in america. >> that's right. and look, this happened the same day that the head of the cia on capitol hill and saying that isis is still a threat in big cities, maybe even here. that is on the minds of everybody. but the fact is that, according to our colleague's law enforcement sources, it's not entirely clear what the motive or string of motives that this killer had, whether he used isis as just kind of -- not an excuse, but he seized on isis as a way to funnel his frustrations and other issues that he might have been having. but it is still a very real fear in this country and as president of the united states, when you have somebody massacre almost 50 people, the biggest massacre on his watch in a line of horrific shootings and they say something about isis, he's got to try to reassure the american people and that's what he did. but there wasn't a big attempt at reassuring. it was an angry obama speech saying we've got to -- i'm sick of telling these families that i'm sorry and i'm sick of having no answers when they come to me and say why does this keep happening. >> they said they don't care the politics and neither do i after hugging families and things. but the reality is, politics are very important here. if the senate which was democratically controlled here at the time of the horrific shooting, we can't think of anything more brutal than a gunman walking into a school. vice president biden made it his life's work. you remember that, dana. all of those intense debates. they couldn't do it. >> they lost democrats. >> they lost democrats. the politics of this i do believe is changing and some republicans up this year, this is happening every year is an election year but on the cusp of a presidential campaign. donald trump has been talking about it and hillary clinton has been talking about it. the president is calling on people, once again, to focus on this. but you're so right, dana, on the day that this is happening. some people are going to ignore the gun control message here and go directly after the real threat. republicans have been saying, john mccain will get into this, the president, you know, deserves some blame for this. >> and michelle, you're over at the white house. the president also spent a lot of time discussing discrimination of the lgbt community. the president was very, very strong in saying that the discrimination and violence here at home and around the world must end and must end right away. this is a very important part of his speech as well. >> yeah. he really lamented all of the terrible aspects of this. the president covered all of that and lamented all of that. at least not in his speech was he acting as comforter in chief. it sounded like he wanted to -- in the white house's point of view, wake america up. if we don't do more to stop certain people from getting easy access to guns, then we're actually choosing to let that happen. the president has delivered a similar speech many times now. we've certainly seen him angrier and more emotional. we saw him start crying when he was talking about the sandy hook shooting. here it was more broad. he laid out his argument for why it's not just about going after isis militarily, why we need to go over lone wolves, why that includes preventing people who are disturbed or deranged from getting guns and why the argument that adding more guns to the equation is, in his view, without commonsense. i think the most emotional point that spoke out, once again, he held and hugged families who pleaded with him to do more, asked him why it keeps happening. that's why said, they don't care about politics. neither do i. he sounded less angry and emotional in this speech than he did tired. tired of it keep happening and wanted to lay out the broadest argument that he could for why it doesn't make sense to keep not changing things. >> he spent two hours with the victims' families. this was happening as john mccain, the senator of arizona, says that barack obama is to blame for the attack. telling reporters, "barack obama is directly responsible for it because when he pulled everybody out of iraq, al qaeda went to syria, became isis and isis is what it is today thanks to barack obama's failures." later he said he misspoke and tried to clarify that the policies were responsible. manu, you're up on the hill. this has caused a huge uproar. today, senator mccain's comments. >> yes, it did. not completely, wolf. as you noted, he said that the policies created this. the president was not directly responsible. in that gaggle with reporters, mccain was agitated and made it very clear that the president was responsible for what happened in orlando. he was asked repeatedly and said, yes, the president is directly responsible. those are very, very strong words but after he did cause that uproar of walking that back slightly, we should know john mccain in the middle of a very difficult re-election race. he has an august primary, something that he should be safe in that primary. he's wary of the challenges from the right but also has a very difficult race in the general election against ann kirkpatrick, democratic congresswoman and clearly democrats are jumping all over this, seeing this as a vulnerability. mccain has been saying this for days. he also said that the policies were responsible for what happened in orlando. clearly some strong words from john mccain not quite backing down. >> no. he said, "i misspoke, i did not mean to imply that the president was personally responsible. i was referring to president obama's national security decisions, not the president himself." manu, stand by. i want to get some more on all of this, republican senator james langford is joining us. thanks very much for joining us. i want to get your reaction as to what the presidesenator mcca. do you agree? >> he should have directly clarified that and said the president is not directly responsible for that. the problem is it's very similar to what brennan said in the cia hearing today. when i asked him personally about the caliphate in syria and iraq, how do we actually deal with this? will we slow down these lone wolf attacks. and as long as the caliphate is there and they continue to motivate people, they are going to continue to motivate the lone wolf attacks around the world. obviously the president is not personally responsible as long as the caliphate is able to stay there and we are not taking them on as an entity, they are going to continue to prom mull gate people whether it's at a christmas party in california last year or a nightclub in orlando, they are going to continue to press and find lone wolf attacks. >> will you vote, senator, in favor of the gun legislation that's coming up early next week, one that would prevent those on the terror watch list from getting a gun and the other would extend background checks for gun shows. >> i'm looking at all of those. the first principle for me is we have a second amount and whatever we pass has to be constitutional. he with couldn't say to one of these suspected terrorists, you can no longer talk on the phone, no longer talk on the internet, no longer go in a mosque because those are protected constitution rights. we can't say because you're a suspect we take your phone away. you have to actually show something. you can't do that per the second amendment rights as well. what i want to reiterate to you, it's already the law right now, if someone is known or a suspected as a terrorist, they cannot just walk in and buy a firearm. they have a long waiting period that actually kicks in that the system will kick them out. the fbi is pinged on that and they get options to be able to deal with it. so that's already current law. that is not correct, they are already held back and already can't walk in and buy a gun at a gun store right now. >> but they can go to these gun shows and buy guns without any background checks. >> most of the people at a gun show are licensed dealers. >> most are licensed but there are some private citizens that sell guns and gun shows. >> you're correct. >> and there's no requirements. a terrorist can go to a private citizen, buy them all, no background check, no nothing. >> that is correct. in the current system. but that's actually fairly rare. >> shouldn't that loophole, senator, be removed? >> well, see, here's the challenge. if i buy a shotgun from my next door neighbor, right now it's one person selling another person item on that. what the gun show is, it's a group of individuals gathering together to be able to do those shows. by far, most of them are licensed dealers and most the individuals selling a high-powered rifle are also telling them through a dealer. there will be that background check. it's a legal product on that. you're not going to go through and have every neighbor if you're selling to a neighbor or grandson or their uncle to be able to have to go through these background checks. that's not how we're set up. >> what if it's an ar-15? would it be okay to purchase an ar-15 from a private individual without any background check? >> that's currently the law right now. >> should that law be changed? >> i don't think it should, actually. if i'm selling to neighbor and someone that i know -- >> what if you're selling to someone you don't know? >> well -- >> some individual, some private individual walks into a gun show, you have no idea who this person is, he wants to buy an ar-15? >> i would say the vast majority of individuals that do that would go through a dealer and not a private individual. this is the same thing we dealt with with james comey yesterday. directly asked him if we know of any individuals on the terror watch list trying to buy weapons. he cannot think of a case where someone who is on that no fly list is actually trying to buy a weapon as well. somewhat we're chasing down a solution to something that doesn't seem to be a problem at this 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they will have the jobs. >> reporter: four years later, mateen carries out the worst mass shooting in modern history. new video of the attack captured on a cell phone from inside the pulse nightclub bathroom shows frightened club goers taking cover in a bathroom stall. one of the first police officers on the scene told cnn what he saw inside. >> it was kind of dark, you know, had the disco lights still going and i just began yelling, hey, guys, come on out, come on out, we've got you, we've got you. and just unfortunately, it took a minute but realized they weren't faking it. they couldn't get up. >> reporter: in an interview with cnn anderson cooper, john mina explained why officers waited hours despite victims shot and bleeding inside desperate to be rescued. >> our officers went in there and forced him to retreat and become a barricade a gunman in the bathroom. >> reporter: police finally made the call to blow through a wall when mateen made a threat to detonate bombs inside. >> we had information that he was going to put explosive vests on four people and then blow the place up in 15 minutes. by that time, we were already set with our explosive breach and that's when we made the decision. >> reporter: in a letter to facebook ceo, mark zuckerberg, senator ron johnson says that the gunman searched for pulse orlando and shooting right in the middle of the rampage before and during the attack and posted, "now taste the islamic taste vengeance" and one final chilling post, "in the next few days, you will see attacks from the islamic state in the usa." investigators now continue to look at what mateen's wife noor salman knew about mateen's plans. investigators believe she even communicated with her husband via text messages during his three-hour rampage. she's now given conflicting statements. but admits that she suspected mateen was planning an attack, possibly on pulse. salman has told investigators that on the day before the shooting she tried to tell mateen not to commit an act of violence but she did not call the police. >> president obama said that isis is losing ground, losing leaders and morale and the director of the cia testified before congress. >> despite all of our progress against isil in the financial realm, our efforts have not reduced the terrorism capability and global reach. in fact, as the pressure mounts on isil, we judge that it will intensify the global terror campaign to maintain its dominance of the global terrorism agenda. we judge that isil is training an attempting to deploy operatives for further attacks. isil has a large western fighter who is could serve as operatives for attacks in the west. and the group is probably exploring a variety of means to infiltrate operatives into the west including legitimate methods of travel. >> let's go to michael leiter. thank you very much for coming in. >> good to be here, wolf. >> you agree with that very dire assessment from the cia director? >> i think i do. although we're making some progress in syria and iraq, it's not enough and even if you're disrupting them overseas. the movement has spawned and they are really not being affected by that and maybe even driven more as they see isis lose ground in the middle east. >> clearly his words, the cia director, were much more ominous than what we heard earlier in the week from the president of the united states. how do you explain that? >> i think they were and that comes from john brennan being an analyst who has been doing counterterrorism analysis for many years. we have to defeat them in iraq and syria but whether it's in libya, western europe or people who are not directed but still inspired by isis here in the united states. >> is the president putting forward too rosy a picture? >> i wouldn't go that far. i think the president was speaking about the situation in iraq and syria. again, i think we need to do more there. the fact is, there's no single place that we have to defeat them. we have to defeat them in plane places and that's going to require multiple pools. i think john gave a more strategic view of what the threat really is. >> and these words really impacted me because of the debate that you're hearing right now with donald trump saying you've got to have a temporary ban on muslim refugees coming into the united states when tci director says they are infiltrating operatives into the west including refugee flows, smuggling routes and legitimate methods of travel if they have a european passport they could just come over for business or pleasure or tourism without any background check whatever so. >> that's absolutely right. you have to look out and terrorists are going to use any path they can. this is really no different from al qaeda. al qaeda used all of these methods and others to infiltrate the united states. in my view, there's no single way that you stop that either. you really do, again, require a multitude of tools, of screenings, vescreening refugee doing law enforcement here and intelligence here in the united states for people already here. it doesn't shock me that they are looking at all of these methods and we can't turn this into a simplistic silver bullet that will solve all of it. >> so when trump says to have a temporary ban, you don't agree with that? >> not only do i disagree on it, it certainly feeds the narrative that isis is trying to spew already to find more. >> what is your analysis of what happened at the nightclub in orlando? was this isis really at work, whether a direction from isis or simply an inspiration from isis? was this isis at work? >> this is absolutely isis. and this question of direction versus inspiration that we've been so absorbed by al qaeda and plots over the last 15 years, it's really less relevant for isis. in many ways, we should be more worried about what happened in orlando, which was no connection to isis but inspiration by isis. simply that inspiration without the communication and connectivity, makes it that much harder to detect and disrupt these plots. >> if this is isis, how does the united states stop it? >> well, as i said, it requires every piece, an offensive piece with military and special operations overseas and deepen gangment with european allies in the west. it requires law enforcement here in the united states and vastly more than what we've been doing today in terms of resources and importantly, it requires deep engagement with the muslim communities. they are harmed by this as much as anyone and muslim communities that know their own community. we partner with every community. we need to do the exact same thing with muslim communities here as in western europe. >> you were in the white house situation room when the killing of bin laden took place. you know him well. when you hear senator mccain initially saying that the president was directly responsible for what happened in orlando and then clarified and said i misspoke, i did not mean to imply that the president was personally responsible, i was referring to president obama's national security decisions, not the president himself. how much blame do you think the president has for what happened in orlando? >> well, i was lucky to work with president obama and i've been lucky to work with senator mccain on several occasions. i think senator mccain's criticism of president obama and the removal of troops from iraq, i don't think there's any doubt that the removal of troops from iraq allow isis to do better. on the other hand, that's not the only problem that we have here. i think it has to be addressed domestically and internationally and president obama, truthfully, was more aggressive in going after al qaeda than was his predecessor, president bush. i hope we can move it away from democrat and republican. >> more terrorists have been killed under president obama than bush? >> that's true in pakistan. but in the last eight years we've seen the emergence of isis in ways we hadn't before. >> michael 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learning? >> reporter: wolf, tonight we have new accounts from former classmates and these documents that we have just obtained from the st. lucie county school system showing a lifetime of red flags from omar mateen. along the way, no one from the school system that he came up to was able to stop the progression of the pulse nightclub. this behavior extended back to his childhood even as young boy. omar mateen was troubled. a classmate tells cnn that mateen once threatened to blow everyone up when he was 9 or 10 years old. documents obtained by cnn from the st. lucie county schools show he was disciplined 31 times describing mateen as rude and aggressive and noted he talked frequently about violence and sex. robert rode the same bus route during high school. he says in the days following accept 11th, mateen claimed osama bin laden was his uncle and made light of the attacks. >> he was making a plane noise and he would made like a boom sound, an explosion type of sound and was laughing about it like it was a joke. my friends and i were like, if you don't stop, it's going to be a problem. >> reporter: as a teenaged employee at gold's gym, he was to be avoided. >> he had that kind of aura that i don't think people wanted to engage him. >> reporter: stefan held personal training sessions. >> one of my clients was completing her set on the spot rack and was in full stride all the way down and he made a derogatory statement about her anatomy which was completely unacceptable and loud at that. like he wanted her to hear it. >> reporter: staff members at gold's gym could not recall any disciplinary issues with mateen. a few years later, he was transferred from a job as a security guard at a courthouse after making inflammatory comments about terrorism. that's when the fbi started investigating him. >> he said he hoped that law enforcement would raid his apartment and assault his wife and child so he could martyr himself. >> reporter: his first wife said that her family had to rescue her to get her out of the marriage. >> emotional stability, sickness, mentally, he was mentally unstable and mentally ill. that's the only explanation that i could give. and he was obviously disturbed. >> reporter: now, these school records show that omar mateen repeatedly had intervene with school psychologists and since the shootings his father has repeatedly said that he thought his son was normal. wolf? >> was there a warning signal from a local gun store several weeks before the massacre? >> reporter: there was, wolf. according to the gun store owner himself, robert abel, the owner of lotus gun works, he said that about six weeks ago after mateen came in trying to buy level three body armor and a bulk ammunition and asked odd questions, that his staff became concerned and contacted authorities. according to law enforcement officials, federal officials have no record of the lotus gun works or any other store contacting them about omar mateen during that period and the sheriff office says the same thing. they don't have a record of it. the distinction could be that they didn't get a name associated with any call because when they called authorities, they did not have a name omar mateen. they just reported his odd behavior. >> brian todd on the scene for us in orlando, thank you for that report. joining us now here in "the situation room," former fbi assistant director tom fuentes, shadi hamid for middle east policy, author of a book, "how the struggle over islam is reshaping the world" also with us evan perez and counterterrorism terrorism analyst phil mudd. evan, what are you learning about the communication that took place during that three-hour massacre between the terrorist and his wife? >> somewhere around 4:00 a.m., about two hours after the massacre began, it appears that he began exchanges text messages with his wife. now, we don't know at this point whether she knew exactly what was happening. he said, have you seen the news? at some point she becomes aware and she knows that there's a massacre and she suspects her husband is behind it and she starts frantically making these phone calls. he does not pick up. that's also part of the picture that the fbi is still trying to put together of exactly what she knew when she knew it because, as you know, there's an investigation focused on that. >> there were apparently efforts by this terrorist to go online to search information about the san bernardino terrorist, to search information about abu baghdadi. >> i would say it's impossible. one of the keys you want to look at in this case, wolf, is whether he's interacting with somebody, especially an fbi informant, and indicates an interest in violence. in this case, about searching about san bernardino, there's got to be tens and millions who have done that. when the fbi was investigating him, let's look at the timeline, 2013, 2014. san bernardino happened in december of 2015 after the case was closed. so the fbi isn't even looking at this guy anymore. i think the chance they could have picked up on these signals is zero because they were not investigating him anymore and they are not searching through the tens and millions of americans simply showing an interest in the san bernardino killings. >> what kind of role should companies like facebook or twitter play in helping law enforcement if they suspect something is wrong. >> well, the problem is to get them to suspect in the first place and i think phil is exactly right. tens and millions of people search those sites. i searched personally for information about san bernardino and al baghdadi and isis. we all do that as investigators and reporters look at what happened to try to get information from other sources online. so that's impossible for the bureau to sort that out. as far as facebook and the social media, i think it depends how closely they are actually looking at the messaging. they are looking at the system and how many people are online and how many use their service but for them to actually look at all content all the time, i think that's going to -- >> very easy in retrospect. >> keep in mind, these companies do a very good job in co copyrighting and there is more, it seems like, some of these companies could be doing. >> it's been several days now since the attack at the nightclub. isis originally claimed responsibility but they have been relatively silent since then, haven't they? what has been their reaction? i'm wondering because there's been a lot of reporting out there that perhaps this terrorist himself was gay. >> yeah. so i think first of all this was an isis-inspired attack. isis central does not seem to have been involved and this is in the new scary era that we're in. someone can want to commit a terrorist act and then pledge allegiance to isis at the very last minute and then invest their act with more meaning and that's exactly what's happened. in that sense, isis has gained from this because we are now having a national debate in a way that we wouldn't have been if it were just some regular shooter, right? so that's one thing. in terms of his sexuality some people might say, would isis really want to have the allegiance of someone who might have been guy? they don't have a problem with that and in some sense it might be preferable in that here's someone who actually tried to redeem himself, redeem his quote/unquo quote/unquote sinfulness through an act of violence. they are quote/unquote, sinful or not very observant before they commit their act and then there seems to be an aspect of guilt and then they are trying to redeem themselves to an act of martyrdom. i think that's the way that we can better understand this. >> he was trying to repent? >> in a way, yes. >> they would interpret it that way. stand by. more coming up. also, donald trump celebrates the anniversary of his entering the race for president but some worried republicans are looking for a way to replace him at the top 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to navigate the alarm from members of trump's own party about his candidacy. after a year as the ultimate outsider, donald trump says he is happy to stick with his go it alone strategy. >> we have to have republicans either stick together or let me do it by myself. >> reporter: following a string of fire storms, trump just might have to. from criticizing a federal judge. >> i have a judge who is a hater of donald trump. >> reporter: saying the president sympathizes with terrorists. >> we are led by a man that either is not tough, not smart or he's got something else in mind. >> reporter: doubling down on his muslim ban. >> we have to stop people from pouring into our country. we have to stop it. until we find out what the hell is going on. >> reporter: trump's outbursts have republican leaders openly airing grievances with the presumptive nominee. >> either there's going to be dramatic change or i can't find my way there. >> i distance myself including the muslim ban a long time ago and specific issues. >> i am not commenting on the presidential candidate today. >> reporter: it has driven some republicans to discuss extraordinary options, however far fetched, even talk of orchestrating a convention coup before trump is officially anointed in cleveland. among the ideas on the table, finding a way to free delegates through a new convention rule or conscience clause, to allow them to vote for whoever they prefer rather than be bound by the will of the voters. trump offers this advice to gop critics. >> please be quiet, don't talk. >> reporter: paul ryan's response to those comments? >> you can't mix it up. we represent a separate but equal branch of government. >> reporter: ryan says he still plans to support the presumptive nominee. >> do you imagine any scenario in which you rescind your endorsement. >> that's not my plan, i don't have a plan to do that. we are going to agree to disagree on some things. >> reporter: with the gop in turmoil, hillary clinton is 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terror group is tepg up efforts to attack the west. is that at odds with the president's claim of significant progress against isis? political panic. some republicans are privately talking about ways they might be able to stop donald trump from officially claiming the nomination. this as trump tells critics of his party to be quiet or he'll dump them. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i am wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." the breaking news this hour. we're learning about the orlando gunman's final communications with his wife during the hours he was hold up in that night club where he committed a massacre. a u.s. official telling cnn that oh march mateen texted his wife asking if she knew about the attack. she texted back she loved him and tried to call him but didn't answer his cell phone. in orlando, president obama says victims, relatives pleaded with him to do more to prevent furn carnage and violence. speaking awhile ago, the president said politics made it easy for terrorists or mentally ill to buy weapons legally. the president is pleased a democratic filibuster set the stage for new gun control votes. senator chris murphy says he has assurances republican leaders would work toward making those votes happen. senator murphy is standing by live, we will talk about if anything will get passed. and we have full coverage of all of the breaking stories. let's begin with pamela brown on the keen in orlando. pamela, what are you learning? >> reporter: we learned from law enforcement sources that the wife of omar mateen was frantically calling her husband during the shooting after news broke and she suspected that her husband may be responsible for it. she claims she tried to dissuade him from going to launch an attack, as we know, she did not call police and during the three hour attack, wolf, we learned the couple exchanged text messages. tonight chilling new video captured inside pulse nightclub. club goers hiding in the bathroom, trying to keep quiet as the shooting was taking place. in the middle of the chaos, the gunman and his wife communicated. according to law enforcement, she was frantically calling him after news broke of the shooting. around 4:00 a.m., he texted asking if she saw the news. she responded i love you. she told investigators she had a suspicion when he left the house saturday he was going to launch an attack, even though he told her he was going to visit a friend. and we are now hearing from omar mateen for the first time. this documentary from big picture ranch about the bp oil spill shows mateen working as a security guard. >> once people get laid off here, it will suck. they want more disaster to happen. that's where the money making is. >> reporter: sources tell cnn in weeks leading up to the attack, mateen began to spend significant money, including to buy weapons used for the attack. a letter from senator ron jon son to facebook says he searched the site during the rampage for news on the shooting. in the next few days you will see attacks from the islamic state in the usa. officers were pulling out victims, hostage negotiators made contact with him. >> there was speculation he had explosives and that he would come out of bathroom with explosives. >> what was running through your mind. >> will the breach work, can you get everybody out, that kind of thing. the main concern is trying to get the people out. >> reporter: a first responder talking about the scene. >> it was kind of dark. had disco lights still on. i began yelling hey guys, come on, come on, we got you. it took a minute to realize that they weren't faking, they couldn't get up. >> reporter: investigators are trying to determine motive for the attack and if anyone, including his wife, could have done anything to stop it. wolf, we know a few weeks before the attack the gunman attempted to buy body armor. we learned from the owner, he called the fbi office because he acted suspiciously when he went in there. they didn't know it was omar mateen, they learned that after the shooting. that's something that the fbi wants to look into, the fact that the fbi was learning. also we learned from law enforcement sources that the gunman went on a spending spree in the weeks leading up to the shooting. as we know he bought guns used in the shooting and other items. all of this is under investigation. the question remains why didn't anyone speak up. why wasn't the gunman prevented during the rampage. >> important questions. pamela brown, thank you. now to the president's emotional trip to orlando and renewed call for action against gun violence in the united states. he said the idea lives could have been saved if people in the nightclub were armed defies common sense. that's something donald trump suggested. let's get more on the trip to orlando. michelle, the president says he held and hugged the grieving family members. update our viewers. >> reporter: right, wolf, he spoke of indescribable grief and pain. met with survivors, first responders, families of victims, then took their plea to the american public saying that not doing more to prevent certain people getting access to high powered weapons is the same as choosing to let it happen again. >> today once again as has been true too many times before, i held and hugged grieving family members and parents and they asked why does this keep happening and they pleaded that we do more to stop the carnage. they don't care about the politics. neither do i. neither does joe. neither should any parent out here. thinking about the kids not being in the wrong place but places where kids are supposed to be. this debate needs to change. we have outgrown the old political stalemates. the notion that the answer to this tragedy that more people in the nightclub are similarly armed to the killer defies common sense. those who defend easy accessibility of assault weapons should meet the families and explain why that makes sense, should meet with newtown families, some of you saw yesterday, whose children would now be finishing fifth grade on why it is we think our liberty requires these repeated tragedies. that's not the meaning of liberty. i am pleased to hear the senate will hold votes on preventing individuals with possible terrorist ties from buying guns, including assault weapons. i truly hope that senators rise to the moment and do the right thing. i hope that those that votes against background checks after newtown change their mind. end the violence these weapons of war have on so many lives. >> reporter: we have seen the president make similar trips after mass shootings nine times before today. we heard him angrier and more emotional. what we heard today was disgust that yes, this happened again. he used broad language about how it is more than fighting isis, you look at these shootings and others, these are lone wolves, and made the point that requires some different approach. wolf? >> michelle kosinski from the white house. thank you very much. president obama is urging congress in his words to do the right thing, on track for new gun control votes after a democratic led filibuster. chris murphy ended a 15 hour marathon when he got promises from republican leaders that they move toward votes on two measures. there are right now no guarantees anything will get passed. thanks for coming in. >> sure. >> will there be two votes next week? >> two votes, monday night or tuesday morning. we will have two votes, one closing the terrorist loophole so individuals on the terror watch list cannot buy guns, and the second one, expanding reach of background checks to penetrate not just sales at brick and mortar stores but online sales and gun shows where today about 40% of all gun sales are happening. the reality, if you want to stop a terrorist from getting a gun, first make sure those with terrorist connections are on the list of those prohibited. then make sure the lists are not just in gun stores but in all the other forums where would be terrorists are trying to buy a dangerous assault weapon. >> 54 republicans, 44 democrats, how many votes are necessary. >> it is a deep frustration that want rules reform, this is another 60 vote requirement. >> do you have 60 votes to pass either of these measures? >> i am skeptical that we have 60 votes. >> for all of it? >> i am skeptical we have 50 for background. >> 60. >> 60 votes. we may have 60 to pass the measure, make sure people on the terrorist watch list can't buy guns. 90% of americans believe if you are so dangerous that you're not allowed to fly on a plane in this country, you probably also shouldn't be able to walk into a store and buy -- >> you think you have 60 votes. >> i know in the wake of orlando, a lot in congress are reassessing laws to the ability of would be terrorists to get expensive and dangerous weapons. >> i spoke last hour with a republican senator langford of oklahoma who said i want to work with democrats and come up with a bipartisan piece of legislation. have you been speaking with him? >> there are discussions right now happening relative to a compromise and that would not have happened if we hadn't gone to the floor and force this filibuster. let's be honest. we came to the senate this week, leadership had no plans to debate any legislation that would have addressed the shooting in orlando or made shootings in the future less likely. we forced a debate this week into next week on these measures. maybe we end up with a compromise. that only happened because there were 40 u.s. senators that went to the floor for 15 hours to demand this debate happen. >> you know what critics are saying, even if what you propose in this legislation had been the law of the land, the terrorist in orlando would still have been able to purchase that weapon, semi assault weapon that he got and the pistol. >> first, we can't get into the trap in which we have to design a piece of legislation that is an exact answer to the latest mass shooting. there's no doubt if you expand background checks, there will be less carnage on the streets of america, that's what data shows us. but let me say this. if senator feinstein's amendment, it is her amendment that's relative to this issue of stopping terrorists from getting guns, it would give broad jurisdiction to the attorney general to put on the list for those confined from buying weapons anyone that's a threat to the nation. omar mateen may not have been on this specific list today, but the totality of his contacts may have led the attorney general to put him on the list of prohibited buyers. i think the amendment we'll consider monday may have, if it was in effect prior to this weekend, stopped omar mateen from getting the weapon. >> even if this passes the senate, still has to pass the house of representatives where there's a significant republican majority. i want you to listen to what speaker of the house paul ryan said today because he has concerns. >> the fbi director told us the other day, i think he said this publicly, if we do this wrong like the president is proposing, we can blow the on-going terrorist investigations. >> do you want to respond to the speaker of the house? he says that you can tip-off potential terrorists out there if he wants to buy a weapon, he won't be allowed to buy a weapon, he will then know he is under investigation and there could be problems as the fbi is investigating that individual. >> so there's two responses to that. first, department of justice supports the amendment we are voting on. senator feinstein worked with them. >> you heard the fbi director comey's reservations. >> he had reservations, they support the bill before the senate next week. second, i never heard those reservations by speaker ryan raised with respect to the no fly list. if you are trying to get on a plane and are a known terrorist, if you're denied that ticket, maybe that's a tipoff you're on one of the lists, the alternative is not getting on the plane. the alternative is to get the gun. yes, there may be danger that you got prohibited buying the assault weapon, you may think why am i denied this purchase, but theal terptive is perhaps more slaughter. >> there are 3 million guns out there around the united states. the argument is there are so many guns out there, there's a problem no matter what you do on capitol hill. >> that can't be the answer. data shows city after city, less guns in the community, less gun homicide. there's a small number of purchases attempted by people on the no fly list, 200 or so purchases. that's not infringement on anyone's right. >> senator murphy, stand by. there's more to discuss. other developments are happening now. we will take a quick break. be right back. blat blatch. your doctor should monitor your weight and may stop treatment. include diarrhea, nausea, upper respiratory tract infection, and headache. tell your doctor about all the 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west. and they're probably finding wait to infiltrate into the west, smuggling routes and legitimate methods of travel. >> reporter: astonishing assessment. >> despite progress against isil on the battlefield, efforts haven't reduced the group's terrorism capability and reach. >> reporter: brennan called them resill yant, adapting to efforts to stop it. >> it will probably rely on guerrilla tactics and outside the territory that it currently holds. >> reporter: the republican chairman of the senate intelligence committee calling for more action. >> isil's global battlefield includes the united states and we cannot stand idly by. >> reporter: after thousands of air strikes, and loss of territory, isis maintains key advantages. >> the group would have to suffer heavy losses on territory, man power and money for its capacity to decline significantly. >> reporter: they estimate tens of millions through intimidation and oil sales. and the spread of isis across the world is ensuring its capacity for conducting more attacks. numbers far exceeding al qaeda. in iraq and syria between 18 and 22,000 down from as many as 33,000 last year. in libya, its most dangerous affiliate, 5,000 to 8,000 operatives. in egypt and sinai peninsula, perhaps up to a thousand. >> there are hardcore fighters, adhere ants, specialists, facilitators and others. numbers are significant. >> reporter: answering all this criticism today, the pentagon said it has been warning for months that military action, air strikes and military advisers on the ground alone would never be sufficient to defeat and destroy isis. wolf? >> barbara starr, thanks very much. we are with chris murphy. i assume you agree with that dire assessment from the cia director? >> i agree in the sense there are two narratives that are important to continuation of isil and their growth. one, their supposed caliphate in the middle east is inevitably expanding, second that the east is at war with the west, the muslim war at war with the christian world. the first rationale, the geographic center of control is being reduced by efforts there, so the second narrative that's now most important to them. that's why they're trying to export the fight and hoping we react in ways that further radicalize populations at home that may listen to calls for lone wolf attacks. >> senator john mccain cause add stir when he uttered these words about the president of the united states and his responsibility for isis and for what happened in orlando. listen to mccain. >> barack obama is directly responsible for it because when he pulled everybody out of iraq, al qaeda went to syria, became isis, and isis is what it is today thanks to barack obama's failures. >> later reissued a statement saying i misspoke, i didn't mean to imply the president was personally responsible. i was referring to president obama's national security deegtsz, not the president himself. basically he was saying the decision by the president to remove all u.s. troops from iraq helped create isis. your reaction? >> that's a tried and true republican fiction. it wasn't president obama's decision, it was president bush's decision. it was president bush that signed the agreement that set timetable for withdrawal of troops. in fact, president obama tried to reverse that decision but couldn't get an agreement with the iraqi government. and you have to reverse further back in time to understand it was the invasion of iraq that set the chain of events that created the terrorist force. so this is something that republicans have tried to proffer for a long time, it is just not based in fact. >> we know president bush set that deadline, but assumption was some troops would stay. argument mccain and lindsey gray a.m. makes is the president didn't try to convince the leader of iraq to let the troops stay there and they would have immunity from iraqi prosecution. >> the president tried to keep troops there. the prime minister of iraq wouldn't give us 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you turn plain water into sparkling water in seconds. and because it's so delicious, you'll drink 43% more water every day. sodastream. love your water. we are following breaking news in the orlando terror attack investigation. the killer apparently knew what was going on, a source saying omar mateen texted his wife to see if she had seen news reports of the slaughter. we are joined by dr. lisa vansusteren, justice correspondent evan perez, tom fuentes, and national security analyst peter bergen. what are you learning about the wife, noor salman? >> in addition to text messages that came around 4:00 p.m., about two hours into the massacre, wolf, in addition to those texts he also -- she tried to reach out to him when she realized what was happening, when she learned there had been this attack at the pulse nightclub, she had been there with him. she realized that he might be involved. she frantically tried to make the calls, he did not answer. at the same time he's also posting on facebook, making comments about isis and pledging allegiance, declaring we are going to see attacks from isis in the coming weeks. you see a lot of activity he is doing while in the club in a standoff with authorities. >> the wife, second wife, noor salman apparently changed her story in various interviews with the fbi. i assume that's some sort of red flag if you were part of the investigatory team? >> the problem, wolf, is that everything she says will possibly be recanted later at a later time. her claim could be in the future she's under such duress and trauma after learning what her husband has just done that she's trying to sort it out in her mind. the other aspect, if you have text messages where he tries to tell her basically it is me, i am here, i am doing it, if that's any surprise to her, that adds credibility to her not knowing he was on the way to commit that at that time. there's still things to sort out. what the authorities need, what the fbi needs is for someone else to say that she told them that she knew he was going to do an attack, that she told them it would be the pulse and possibly that day. just the statements she's made to the fbi during interviews i don't think is enough for conviction. maybe enough to bring charges, but i don't think enough to convict her. >> see what evidence they have. the fbi director james comey says he was not directed by isis specifically but he was inspired if you will. during the course of the massacre he repeatedly pledged allegiance to isis, to the leader of isis. what does that say to you? >> seen it before, saw it in san bernardino with 14 dead in december, paris monday with police chief dead and his partner, and people around the world eating the coal in the holy month of ram dan. it speaks for itself. >> we are learning and it is very interesting, lisa, that during the course of the massacre itself he was searching facebook, other websites to see what the reaction was. he put in a word like pulse or shooting to see if people were talking about it. >> this is the fantasy of being powerful. so his alliance with isis, i am a big shot, i am a member of this important terrorist group. this is all part of what he is saying, people with suicide vests and others, all part of this fantasy of being a warrior and brave hero. and of course all nonsense, but that's what's going through his mind likely. >> see if people were talking about him. >> absolutely. >> the chairman of the senate homeland security wrote asking facebook for assistance to try to determine, learn lessons to see if this could have been prevented if they had more information about what he was posting in social media. what more do you think facebook should be able to do? >> the problem, wolf, if people monitor facebook, that should be the intelligence community and law enforcement authorities. i think asking a private company to monitor every posting is a little more difficult. usually in the past when people put offensive material on there, someone reports it to their management, they take a look at it and remove it. to ask facebook to monitor their own systems would have a chilling effect on anybody using it. >> evan, what are you finding out about spending in the weeks leading up to the attack. >> we see it in many cases. you saw it in san bernardino, the terrorists moved money, tried to prepare themselves for their final act. in this case this shooter started to spend a lot of money in weeks before. he bought stuff for his wife, spent thousands of dollars on firearms and on ammunition. you can see in the weeks before, in addition to his violent behavior and his moods changing and speaking out about jihad and so on, you see he is starting to spend money and his wife is noticing some of this. >> it is interesting, lisa, this couple, the terrorists in orlando had a three-year-old child. the san bernardino couple had a little child as well. you would think with a little child, we have seen the pictures, this would stop someone wanting to go out and kill people knowing they were about to die. >> you would think that if the person was normal. this man was anything but normal. there's murderous rage in his heart, there's not love in his heart. he isn't thinking about his son. if he looked into the eyes of almost 100 people, murdered 49, injured 53 more, this is not a man that has in his heart empathy, paternal love to keep him from doing something. >> how unusual is it that terrorists have little kids and still go out and want to engage in jihad, become martyrs? 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>> that's never happened and i think it would be a difficult, heavy lift. >> reporter: cnn is told neither the rnc chair nor congressional leaders are taking part in strategy talks to oust trump, even after his new taunts. >> our leaders have to get a lot tougher and be quiet, just please be quiet, don't talk, please be quiet. >> can't mix this up sometimes. i'll just say we represent a separate but equal branch of government. >> reporter: as for the clinton campaign, they're reveling in the discord, marking the day, one year anniversary of the trump campaign with this video. >> they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists. >> reporter: for the most part, republicans who don't like donald trump still say they believe they're stuck with him, not just for technical reasons but perception and political reasons, that any move to oust him feeds into the sentiment that helped him get elected in the first place that the system is rigged. >> stand by, we have a lot to discuss. bring in gloria borger, senior correspondent jeff zeleny, senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. gloria, among everything else, senator john mccain caused a stir when he blamed the president of the united states for what happened in orlando. listen to this. >> barack obama is directly responsible for it because when he pulled everybody out of iraq, al qaeda went to syria, became isis and isis is what it is today thanks to barack obama's failures. >> caused a big stir, and issued a misstatement, i didn't mean to imply he was personally responsible, i was referring to his national security decisions, not the president himself. it underscores the angst out there now. >> right. and look, john mccain if he's been consistent on any issue through the last decade it is this question of isis and iraq and how we needed to be more muscular in response. he has been critical of this president throughout. he clearly got his gander up in the hallway interview, dana is laughing, we know john mccain can do that, and he did. he had to kind of take it back, say i misspoke. what he didn't want to do and it sounded like he was doing it in this statement was to blame the president personally somehow for orlando. i think in a way he wanted to distance himself from remarks that trump had made earlier in the week somehow questioning the president's motives here. i think john mccain knew immediately he needed to correct it. >> senator harry reid, minority leader in the senate put out a statement right away responding to senator mccain. senator mccain's unhinged comments are latest proof that senate republicans are puppets of donald trump. you heard that. >> i mean, john mccain threw that right over harry reid's plate, he swung and hit iand hit a political homerun. in that, that's the name of the game for democrats trying to retake the senate. one of their prime targets is john mccain. he has a tough re-election campaign, maybe one of the toughest. one that wasn't expected and it is in part because of the pretzel that he and others up for re-election on the republican side are tied in and how especially facing a republican primary. >> that's how much independence. >> jeff, how far-fetched is this notion there could be a coup? the rules committee at the convention meet before a convention, come up with a rule saying pledge delegates can abstain both their conscience. is that totally far-fetched? >> a talked to a republican today involved in another presidential campaign earlier. he said two words, it's wishful thinking. and that's the reality here. donald trump won 13.4 million votes. he comes in there with more pledged delegates. as dana smartly pointed out in her piece, it is technically possible they could change the rules before the delegates arrive and change it to require a two-thirds majority of delegates. but it really would fuel the suspicions that the system is rigged, and, in fact, it would be rigged. so it is -- >> and you can only imagine how the trump supporters would react. >> but that said, for the next five weeks if the polls keep getting worse and worse and worse for him, for donald trump, that's possible. i mean, 70% of people say they don't like his in terms of approval. 55% say they won't vote for him at all. >> never. >> all that said, it would turn cleveland into a huge mess. i don't see how it's possible. >> and a clear majority of republicans, i think 60 or 70%, believe that donald trump ought to be given the nomination, because he won it. >> he did win it. >> so they would be working against their own party. >> jeff, the speaker of the house, paul ryan, has endorsed trump, says he has no plans to rescind that support. but other high-profile republicans, mark kirk of illinois, for example, they have done just that. do they actually have any leverage over trump? because he seems happy to wage the campaign with or without party elites supporting him. >> no, i mean, his brand, his -- his -- the way he has appealed to voters, at least in the republican primary, has been by running against the establishment. so the fact that he is not popular with many elected officials is not -- is not really that big a problem. the real problem is if he's not that popular, apparently, with voters. and, you know, that could be a real problem. and just one of the things -- we keep talking appropriately about, you know, the rules and could you change the rules. one thing we haven't mentioned, which is, okay, if it's not donald trump, who is the candidate? >> exactly. who -- >> you know, is it mitt romney? is it paul ryan? >> jeff walker. >> you cannot beat somebody with nobody. at the moment, the never trump people don't have a candidate. >> exactly. and that is one of the many, many hurdles that these people who are talking about just doing this it at the convention have to deal with. because if you approach these delegates, and i'm told they could get money for advertising to try to not just call delegates on the phone, but to try to reach them through their television sets. you can't just say, please don't vote for trump. you have to say, vote for x. and who is that x? 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>> reporter: wolf, it's absolutely shocking for this community. it sent shock waves across the whole country. jo cox had been an mp for a year and people we talked to say in that short time, she had done so much more for community here than mps have achieved over many, many years. she was meeting with her constituents just around the corner from here in a library around midday today. a man armed with a gun and a knife attacked her, fired two shots and stabbed her and an air ambulance flown in, the medics couldn't save her. she was pronounced dead within an hour of that shooting happening. this is a young parliament aryan. the police investigate is going on tonight. they have in custody a 52-year-old man who they believe is solely responsible for this. his name, tommy mare, his house being investigated and searched by police tonight. neighbors describe him as a quiet man who did a lot of gardening. everyone here asking the question, why is this happening. the brutal murder at a time when it is high. members of parliament accused of lying about the facts and figures involved in this debate. jo cox, she wanted britain to remain part of the european union. is this in any way related to her death? we don't know. but both the in and the out campaigns today suspending their campaigning, tributes paid by the british prime minister, a member of the labor party. a hugely popular mp, killed, shocking the last time a member of parliament killed in britain was over a quarter of a decade ago. that was by the irish republican army from northern ireland. this is rare. guns here absolutely rare. >> totally, totally horrific event. thanks very much, nic, for that report. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. cnn's breaking news coverage of the orlando terror attack continues right now with erin burnett noufrt. 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