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area best-selling author. his book is number one on amazon movers shakers them as today. what's in the world today? i know you are not following it very closely. it's 30 something in the world so congratulations on that. [applause] we have a really important american here today and for those of you that no gallop our biggest business sector around the world is actually banking so we have a lot of sectors sectors for all kinds of corporations, education, universities but her biggest sector is banking. banking has a very -- been a very good friend of this organization. i am on john's board of operation hope and most of you know john has built a colossus operation called operation hope and john is a board member and our best friends are banks that operation hope. the banks have an organization here in town that is a real powerhouse called the financial services roundtable and its ceo is was here today. i really admire the ceo of financial services roundtable because he was a popular daily governor of the state of minnesota. one of the reasons i admire him, you know that state tim is just one of the great societies in the whole world. the advancements that you all have, from health being the very first i think big-city to ban smoking, such a great business environment but congratulations on all the work he did there. i want to say one other thing. not to be too solicitous but he was a dandy presidential candidate. really well qualified and had great experiences and hopefully will be a presidential candidate again so thank you for all you do. please welcome governor tim pawlenty. [applause] >> thank you jim and thank you to the organization -- gallup organization. i do have a bone to pick with jimbo. he brought up my ill-fated presidential campaign. it was painful. it was brief and effect was so brief i'd like to say it lasted more briefly than a kardashian marriage. so i'm delighted to be here. i'm delighted to be with my friend john hope bryant. i look minnesota. we are very proud of it. it's a modestly so we don't brag about her great performance they are too much. it's called the lead of 10,000 lakes. we actually have 15,000 links that we just say 10,000 on our license plates because we don't want to overstate the to overstate her cases midwesterners. i would like to finish up my career in chicago because i so love politics. even after i die want to keep my political career after thereby voting but beyond that let me talk to you about why we are here tonight and that is the cause of financial literacy, financial empowerment in the cause of getting more opportunity economically poor information for the country's board. john says there are 7 billion people in the world in 2 billion jobs. that's one measure of a system that isn't going to work mathematically set aside politics, set-aside rhetoric and all the noise is so much of it here in this town everyday. at some of what the math exercise preview of 7 million people in 2 billion jobs is not a great trajectory. we need to get those who are disenfranchised is connected not aware, not in power don't have the opportunity connected to the big engine that is the economy in this country and hopefully more broadly than that. how do we do that? john's book provides a prescription for that. first of all it takes someone with a a platform in a platform of the vision who educated nights catalyzes activity and excitement and enthusiasm. he has all of that is a leader as did many others in this room so thank you for your vision. thank you for being the spark plug for so much of this discussion but as thomas edison said, vision without execution is dilution. i don't think john is delusional. in fact i know he's not in the big gap band between the book and the result is execution. so much of what he does and so many people in this room do in the nonprofit world and otherwise is to fill that gap. we all need to be working together and i will make one final point because i know jim is a strict disciplinarian when it comes to time and my time is five minutes. you can't connect to the economy of today and tomorrow unless you have the skill and education. so the world that was in my dad's generation, i grew up in the meatpacking town. i dad was a truck driver. my mom died when i was in tenth grade and i'm the youngest of five kids none of whom graduated from college. my experience was as a tenth-grader dead is unemployed and he got laid off from his job not long after my mom died and i realize a number things one of which is i had better get my rear in gear when it comes to getting educator. education. if you miss the educational run because you are disconnected, disenfranchised as long as you weren't disabled view could go to the meatpacking plant and make a living wage jobs with benefits. those kinds of jobs at my dad used to call strong backed jobs are mostly gone at least at the level of pay benefits renew in the 50s and 60s. now the challenge and opportunity as we need to get more folks having a skill or education that allows them to connect to the economy today and tomorrow. if we don't have that we get marginalized. one component of that is financial literacy and understanding personal finance. there is a lot of great programs. there's a lot of technology. there's a lot of great non-profits. there's a lot of great everything going on in this space but it's too little, too slow, not scalable not nationwide. so we are really excited about the cause of trying to get as one piece of a much larger need. it's not the only piece, as many people as possible more educated and further educated and more aware about personal finance and financial literacy. even if you can get money you can't optimize what you can do with it unless you have some awareness and education around that. my personal view is the best way to do that is to embed it in school curriculum across the country. it's a big country. we can't burden our schools but at the state of local level and betting financial literacy and personal finance into school curriculum is really important. it's probably the best way we can scale this and sustain it across the country and we can't say schools add another class that we can say if you are already teaching social studies, if you are already teaching chemistry and economics can't some of the modules be in the context of the financial example that teaches a skill in the point. one of the math exercises could be a personal finance exercise. again there's a lot of great work being done on this but it's episodic. it is not coordinated. it is not to scale and as a nation we are way behind. we cannot have a third of our people in this country being under educated, uneducated, under skilled or unskilled and expect that to work economically socially culturally politically or in any other way. it's just not going to work. it's in all of our best interest morally, culturally, politically, legally to get all of us having the same connection to the economy. so this work and these thoughts that you are going to hear from john are really important. we will be here to lend their voice to this piece and other pieces as well and jim thanks again for hosting us. i'm going to have to leave for john speech because a dear friend son patched away and i want -- passed away and i want to get to des moines tonight. i don't want to be disrespectful by slipping out. i just wanted to let you know that i will have to leave early. thanks for coming and thanks for listening. [applause] >> thank you governor. we have another honored guest today and another great american. i have a lot of admiration for him. i have never met him until today. he is a partner right now in the venture capital firm. i love people that do that because they go and they find people and they start businesses and those create jobs. good for you. i read about him and he was the youngest ceo of the naacp. he became a ceo at 35. i don't fire him for that. i admire him for the story. when he took it over it wasn't working very well. the revenue was a very good animated a lot of change. most people say turnaround is harder than startup. good for you. i also know that while he was working with the program to help rehab prisoners. i guess i don't know but they reached across the aisle to grover norquist and newt gingrich and got them involved. and do. and do you know do you know why? it worked. and it comes wandering around here and is still involved. he's really working on that prisoner work. with that, please welcome ben jealous. [applause] >> good afternoon. good afternoon. high-end here to engage in how the poor can save capitalism. let us first recognize there is no poor community in this country because -- he contractor appalachia harlem or detroiter baltimore. folks who were out of work now extend from someone who has worked hard before. the jobs that disappeared as the governor talked about. a strong back jobs are gone. if you go to san francisco where he spent a lot of my time now every single problem that a rich person in san francisco has some start up results. literally. apparently if you are rich is bothersome to have to go to the ups store and now you can take a photo of what you want to send in someone will show up at your place and wrap it up for you and mail it for you and you can pay for it all on your cell phone. it just goes on and on. if you go across the bridge to oakland and there's all kinds of problems that need to be solved. it's unclear who is going to solve them. that is what we do at cape academy. we look for the entrepreneurs that are trying to solve the problems for the have-nots, the lockouts, people who quite frankly have a whole lot of money and a whole lot of ideas but not many people willing to back those ideas to move them on in a way to solve problems for our communities. in the black community is painful. we look every day at the reality. the black middle class has quadrupled in 46 years since dr. king died in the percentage of blacks in poverty has not gone down 1%. that's a failure of our country ultimately in our community as well. so who do we support quickly support entrepreneurs and a guy named fred who well, a serial entrepreneur. his last job apparently is now legal in colorado. but not yet anywhere else although i would suggest probably coming to a state near you soon. he's created a private ups for marijuana dealers in central florida. he came out of prison and these previous entrepreneur activities have been legal and successful. he came out of prison highly frustrated that it was so expensive to call home. it can cost $3 a minute to call home from prison. he has cut the cost by more than 90% by applying google voice type technology giving people a local phone number, local to their prison connected to their home a thousand miles away. federal limits. his acquisition rate for direct mail for new customers as 20%. i have been in the business for a long time and less than 5%. it speaks to the need to solve a problem. we have companies like rigali in washington heights to the founder went to war and came back home to washington heights frustrated that every time he tried to send $100 to his grandmother by western union and the native republic it cost him 100 bucks and she would only give 70. he looked around or was happening in the developing world to figure out a way to use technology to cut the cost by 90%. these companies are growing rapidly. they are black and latino founders. they are solving problems for poor folks who'd need problem solved for them. there are huge markets. one tapped well but not served well and went completely untapped. that is how the poor can serve capitalism. that's how the poor can save capitalism. the last thing i will leave you with this i apologize for my cell phone. i was with louis gosset junior couple of weeks ago. he spent his whole life fighting racism and he pulled me aside and he says you know ben i fear some days we are just fighting over who's in first class while the plane is rapidly losing altitude. he said we have got to keep riding that everybody on the plane needs to recognize that we are losing altitude. the plane is falling fast and we just need the best brains in the cockpit because whoever is there most days seems like they are either asleep or drunk. we need to get them out and get our economy headed back up so we are back to 30040000 feet, not 10000 feet. think about that person again. travel this country and the naacp meeting or a tea party moving -- meeting and i've been to both although more welcome at one than the other. the same runs through the meeting which is it no longer feels safe to be a member of our country economically. we have taken for granted for centuries -- not my father's family came over to start a massachusetts -- and my mom came over as a slave on a massachusetts river. for centuries we have taken for granted that every generation will be better off. now it's almost a certainty that kids coming out of college will be worse off than their parents. it doesn't matter if they are white or black, immigrants were been here for generations. it's time for us to all come together and figure out how we can get our plane back up to 40000 feet and to recognize it will take all of us. yes the hats are important but the have-nots are more important because they are the true barometer of the health of our country. i have keep getting richer and the poor stay poor. our country is broken. that's not how it's supposed to be. let's fi fix it. god bless. [applause] >> thank you ben and sometimes john says i am his mentor. that's a little humbling but i learned more from him. one time he said to me, i think you said you are my black brothers. i said i'm too old to be your brother. i think i am married white unc uncle. [laughter] or dad or something but i learn a lot more from him. one of the things i learned in the book was that we have been working on poverty. i didn't realize that but for 25 years we haven't made any progress. when you talk about we work on malaria in africa and we work on trying to calm down 1.5 million muslims and they have all these world problems. we have got one right here in everything we do just doesn't work with whites and hispanics and blacks but it stays at 15%. you have got to be open to the fact that all of the solutions of really caring people just doesn't work and it's an awful summation that is not working. but you wonder if we have got all those little kids will run. we are responding to the wrong will. my biggest take away from john's book is, and i think much of this comes from your study of martin luther king and a guy named andrew young. i think i admire andy young as much as and young as much as any living -- i think that's the most admired person that is living but it's about the language of money. you know kids want money and riches relative. one guy that some of you know, i asked him if it's 10 years from now and you are so rich that you can believe it. holy cow how did i get to this place in life how much would you be making? he said 80,000 bucks. we can deliver that from that guy and he has plenty enough talent that something is very wrong with america. but you know what? >> is what? >> as 20 what? >> is 20 years old and nobody talk to them about money until he walked into this building. i was trying to tell john something today. i think in your book you might've found the solution. when i talk to they are thinking about those big-money contracts and thinking about money. they also say if i can play i will be an agent. they are thinking about money. they don't have any idea that there's far more money and the money and health care is 100 times bigger than all sports at a together. maybe we should be talking with him right then to see if they can talk the language of banking. you can teach them math and you can teach them reading and have been reading tom sawyer but they are not going anywhere and it's not what the little guys are thinking about. i will wrap this up, but i read every word of your book and i think you have a breakthrough. he is very prolific. i almost said it's all kind of job. it's magnificent. but this is your best work. this is your best work. i like all the math in it and i hope governor better banking clients and everybody reads this because my breakthrough and i just got done reading it on the plane from new york this afternoon but there is a breakthrough there. i think we are digging in the wrong place. we are not talking to kids about what they want to talk about because the kids i met come every time you move the money the conversation gets fun. i just want to tell you a quick story. there was a guy in south central los angeles. maybe it's not very hard. he was 10 years old. i don't know if that is compton or watts whatever in south central los angeles lacks a 10-year-old goes to school and he has been thinking about joining a gang. do you know why he was thinking about joining a gang that because of money. he didn't know any other way. that day a banker comes and talks of the class and he's got a neat suit donning gray shoes and everything. that kid who is on his way to being a gang member and if he would have been a gang member he would have been the best. he would have been pablo escobar in los angeles area does derail him. he asked the banker question and do you know what his question was lex this is an united states of america. he said how do you get money legally because he had no idea. the guy told him in that little kid just clicked and he said that's what i'm going to do. i'm going to start a business and a businessman. he had no concept. there's no configuration is head that said he he could be a businessman that was in los angeles in the united states of america. he said i have one other question. that's a snappy suit you have fun on. is that what you wear to work newbie would like to dress that way when he went to work. guess where that kid is now? sitting right here. that's a story about john hope bryant. it makes you wonder maybe it's even easier. it might even be easy to fix if we weren't working on the wrong thing. so john thank you. i don't know where people like you, i don't know where people like you come from. why does a guy get up, get on a path like this and spend his whole day trying to fix america? where do people like that come from? please welcome john hope bryant. [applause] >> how do you take a the system that you think is an instrument and turn it on its head and make it work for you? are only symptoms of prosperity as ration and success think if we want to be? there's a difference between being broken being poor. being broke is economic at being poor is a disabling frame of mind, a depression of your spirit and you must about never to be poor again. you cannot have 3.5 billion people who do not have as much wealth. it that's not sustainable. freedom and liberty and justice in fair play is not a thing, the feeling. in today's freedom the definition of freedom and self-determination. you cannot sell to determine yourself in the modern world access to commerce and economics. everything from the time you get up until that time he could've that involves commerce and finance but we don't understand either most of us which means we are basically prisoners. small business owners entrepreneurs and shoot up some starters generate on the job growth in america. the largest economy in the world so you need this middle-class to dream and reality so people can go up the ladder. it's a radical movement in the economy that says you have got to give people the minimum. the language of money. some people got the envelope and there are probably 5 billion people plus on this planet who never got the memo and don't even know it exists. between now and 2020 we will deliver the memo and create america's first national private bankers for the working class and struggling middle class. people say i'm enough to complement because they said steve jobs was. they said -- was and they said the same that dr. martin luther king jr. was and guess what? i and taking it. the book is called "how the poor can save capitalism." it's not political in any way, shape or form. it's not black and it's not why. it's not about rich and it's not about poor. it's not about wes is not about east. this is about the state of the life. are you living a life -- [inaudible] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> john hope bryant. [applause] >> good evening. i want to first say thank you for being here. you can't make this up. my mentor ambassador andrew young would say incidents is gods way of staying anonymous and none of this was planned but i think it's fascinating that and the governor had to leave because he had a death in his extended family one of his dear friends that you have a republican governor and probably one of the five most prominent so-called liberal civil-rights leaders in america in the same room and a capitalist. and yet they were saying the same thing. they were focused on what they agreed on. they were focused on what they were for and not what were against. washington d.c., the place where supposedly nobody can get along. they weren't talking about white people are black people or latinos or asians or indians or others because at the end of the day it's not about white, black red or yellow. it's about green. the issue is not about race anymore very much. it still exists and the naacp has a lot of work to do. the real issue today is class and poverty because if you are poor it just hurts and there are more poor white people in america than for anybody else. but the face of poverty of course is a minority face. let me give you another take on this. if you live in washington d.c., this might get a reaction. with in. with in washington d.c. have you make less than $50,000 a year you are struggling to make ends meet. can i get an amen clinics if you are living in maryland, baltimore making $40,000 a theater you are struggling to make ends meet. if you are living in new york city and making less than $70,000 a year you are struggling to make ends meet. you live in a small city in america which is most of america you make less than $30,000 a year you are struggling to make ends meet. that's not a black problem or brown problem or an orange problem, that's an american problem. 70% of all americans are living from paycheck to paycheck. if you are living in maryland, as the comptroller my friend, if you live in maryland a third of all people who live in maryland would have to sell their car to raise $3000. this is an american problem. before i get too far in this let me just say thank you or to do want to say thank you first to the organization that is just like what tmz is to hollywood. this organization is to washington d.c.. c-span booktv is broadcasting this. let me get them some love and say thank you. [applause] again who says that folks don't take this seriously? i will tell you something else that i thank you for taking seriously. i was told that minorities don't buy books. i was told that black people and brown people aren't interested in serious topics free enterprise and capitalism and homeownership was not something we focused on. i was told that i was an anathema. what young black man from compton california writes a book about boring economics and get amazon sold out in 24 hours when the book was released. they have no copies left. when i went on steve harvey show the audience come he told the audience to buy the book and to make a long story short the book went to number nine, idoni number nine on the blacklist. i don't mean number nine on the home shopping network home shopping network today may number number nine on amazon worldwide. the french economists would have been tearing up the airways. they picketed with his great book. it was number three so don't tell me what we cannot do when america sets his mind to change our reality. we can do anything we set our mind to. let me tell you somebody could help me change my mind and if the man sitting to my left. i'm going to tell you two quick stories to give you a sense of who he is. he hates this first story and he said it didn't happen. i saw it this way got the mic. by the way he's probably slightly republican as you can tell. i'm in his office and i see a couple of hbcu ph.d.s on the wall. i said jim wide view like black people so much? i he said i really don't. he didn't exactly say it this way but anything close to that that's not the best thing to say in washington or anyplace. so i said jim, this is an easy one. i'm going to get this to you one more time. why do you like black people so much? i answered anyway you want. a layup. he said i really really don't pray said john i just want america to win. but that's it in for a moment. i fell in love with him that moment. it wasn't about black or white or orange or purple. he just wants everybody in the water and a boat rowing as fast as they can at a point that says prosperity for all. jim clinton is in my opinion a great american and frankly i would not have written this book if it hadn't been for jen. i was full of aspiration and hope that i didn't have the data. he opened my head and poured all these facts in. the statistics that i could back up what i knew in my gut was right. change my whole life. we have a 100 year commitment to provide free economic -- and binders for every kid in every public school in america for free. ladies and gentlemen say thank you to jim clifton. [applause] he has got no self-esteem. he is clapping for himself. let's get into how the poor can save capitalism. we already are. yes i said it, we are er. 70% of this economy is consumer spending give or take. that's you and me and rant at mortgages and you and me paying utility bills, thing for water in a cup of coffee, to buy pretzels for your family. it's buying gas from a gas station. it is microtransactions they were talking about in silicon valley. that is what's driving this economy but we don't get almost any credit for it. 70% of all americans are living from paycheck to paycheck. this is a member you will hear over and over again. let's get energy that number for a minute. give me some examples john. let's look at planes. do you know that the planes were really a toy for their toy for the rich when they first came out. that doesn't apply to everybody you might say. automobiles were a toy for the rich when they came out. look at cell phones. some of you are old enough to remember they big break motorola 10-pound found that you put up on your shoulder. you are appalling. i can translate some of this. you are rolling if you had a motorola brick phone on your shoulder. it costs about $3000 when it came out. now africa is the first wireless continent. they are going to jump over landline phones and by the way people have mobile phones in africa but don't have bread or water in their house. one of our u.n. ambassador sent by the way he has a bunch of kids here. can we give them some love? >> is what i'm talking about. africa will probably become the first wireless economy. they're probably more cell phones in africa than people. if there's almost a billion people in africa but 650 million cell phones in a place that does not have running water or good streets. let's look at some more examples. restaurants. restaurants were really toys for the rich. now you go to a gas station and you will find a little mini-restaurant. it's only when, by the way half of america makes $50,000 or less, half of the whole country makes $50,000 a year or less. it was only when -- these products that they were commoditized that i call market share. henry ford not only was he sma smart, he not only took the automotive and updated it and made it available to all people but he was smart enough to hire workers and pay them enough to buy them cars you is making. do you follow make lex by the cars and you have a middle class. this is an argument by the way, some people are saying we should have an argument for the middle wage. that's the wrong argument argument and in fact i think it's an argument. why would you want to pay somebody minimum wage? you to minimum-wage jobs to pay your bills and have enough left over for consumer spending. you want to pay somebody a living wage. let me tell you why. by the way this is not socialism. this is not communism. i am a hard-core capitalist. let me tell you a long-term view of this. if i can afford to pay but only my mortgage and maybe some food how do i go to dinner every two weeks so the restaurant gets paid and they can pay vendor services and pay their taxes. how can i afford to buy ever for a trader from ge and the person from sears that needs me to buy from them and upgrade my household utilities. are you with make lex how can i afford to go on a vacation twice he was by the way the vacation companies we need to do so they can keep their deal going. how can i afford to lease or purchase a car every three, five or seven years which automobile companies need me to do? the finance companies meet me to be able to afford to finance these things and pay a reasonable rate of interest so they can also have a growing economy. here's the irony. the rich need support to do better if only to stay rich. you don't want people -- at the wrong argument. you don't want people paying a minimum wage. you want them paying a living wage because when they are paid a living wage people like you and me will put more of our money back into the economy than the so-called rich because this is an economy driven by consumer spending. we will put 30% of every dollar back into the economy for more consumer spending which drives more jobs and drives more taxes. am i talking to myself? i'm going to rip you a little bit here because we need to have a conversation. i want to talk at you. i want to talk with you. we are already driving the largest economy in the world. the parent company of cadillac, the board of directors was struggling and the company was on the verge of shutting down. one division of the company did really well, cadillac. they were struggling with whether to shut it down. they said that german guy to check it out. he came back and found out that while the numbers were reflecting in the showroom he was driving around the city saying black people driving cadillacs. there was a policy path and they couldn't sell cadillacs to black people. this was in the 30s, the 27 the 30s. by the way don't trust me, go check it out for yourself. so he found out, i just love this, well-to-do blacks who were forcing their own economy to serve their own people because they couldn't serve mainstream that then does the doctors the lawyers the barbers people who are doing relatively well in a closed economy they wanted to show how successful they were. they got a white straw buyer rating can't make this up. to buy a cadillac. a black man got a white straw buyer to buy them a cadillac. it was black purchases with white straw buyers there were keeping cadillac to life. this guy went to basically removed the restrictions of the policy and then went one step further and hired a bunch of people to sell the car to work in a backroom and literally it listed cadillac out of the doldrums and save the parent company. i don't know of some of the people who are black can relate to this but i'm still -- until we started buying mercedes 20 years ago we were buying cadillacs were we? we literally save cadillac. we need to get our shareholder value right now. [applause] i'm not talking about handouts. i'm talking about shared legitimate prosperity. one of the numbers by bring up you have 3.5 billion people on the planet to domick enough, they don't earn enough, but don't own enough than 85 of the wealthiest people on the planet is just not sustainable. that's not against rich people. by the way any of my friends who say they don't like rich people, they are lying. you hate rich people until you are rich or sell. are you with make lex we hate when we think the system is not working for people and the playing field is not level. we say that's not a good system. it's not money that's bad. it's the love of money. it's the greed and selfishness. let me put this on its head and come back. let me defined poverty. poverty is defined by the government as -- if you think that is what poverty is in you put solutions against that based on a the number it's going to fail. we are human beings. we did what did depop show per se? >> are spiritual beings having a human experience. here is what poverty is. it's the opposite of ben jealous. if the opposite of governor pawlenty and the opposite of jim. poverty is low self-esteem. it's low confidence, as will believe in yourself, low levels of faith. if you don't know the wire at night in the morning by midnight somebody will tell you. if i don't like me i'm not going to like you. if i don't feel good about me i'm not going to feel good about you and if i don't respect me you can expect me to respect you. here's the big one. if i don't have a purpose in my life i will make your life a living hill. because whatever goes around, comes around. so let me now, i was literally talking about a place in the world that has a name. let me now defined poverty in the context. you have got to believe in yourself. you have to have believed. that first piece is critical. then you have a piece called role model. why am i busy man pics my father was. he owned a business for 54 years. it's not rocket science, it's role modeling. i know your father. he's a businessman. he wears a suit and that's what you wear what you were sued. every woman in here who has the audacity to put on a suit and have a business business card you saw a woman somewhere and he said i can do that. am i write? my mother told me, my mother told me she loved me. she told me she let me everyday of my life so i don't have a self-esteem problem. i know who i was a 90 what i could do because i saw it. here's the analogy. when he into a neighborhood that is so-called poor and you see a kid who wants to be a rap star and athlete or a drug dealer received -- we say those kids are and they are stupid. i say that's wrong. those kids are brilliant. there are modeling what they hear. everybody wants to have aspiration. nobody says they want to be and stupid and irrelevant. if you don't know better you cannot do better. there's not a welfare mother and her right mind who doesn't want her child to be successful hard-working and taxpaying if no other reason than to feel proud of them. you can't give what you don't have. have a blind town and if you don't know better you cannot do better. so when a kid wants to be a rap star is aspirational as jim said earlier. everybody wants to be successful. quincy jones said 28 years to change a culture. in the last 20 years we have made. we have dumbed down and celebrated and we have got to make smart again. so what do i mean by that? these kids are modeling what they see. here's what i know. a drug dealer, successful one may have bad character, bad habits and may be immoral and may have to pay a debt to society. there may be a special place in that place i won't won't say it in reserve just for them because god said if you're going to still -- but one thing a successful drug dealer is not is. they understand import-export finance marketing wholesale retail customer service security territory. these are not kids. they are misdirected kids with bad role models and a business plan. are you with make? here's the irony. we may be locking up the very 20% of our community that has the capacity to create jobs because they have an entrepreneurial mindset gem. they gang organizers that drug dealers actually have the risk profile and entrepreneur works 18 hours on a job. you guys are tough audience. this is good stuff i'm trying out you. you get up early and you stay up late. you are creative and you're challenging and innovative. these drug dealers and to make it clear i know it's being broadcast but i'm not a rationalizing drug dealing. it's bad, it's evil, pay your debt. deal with god on your own terms. i'm saying from an intellectual perspective these are not people. how do we end up where we are? i say all that to say this. from this day forward you can tell everybody you care about while -- why poor people are -- are you ready quite they never got the memo. there is a memo on how free enterprise and capitalism works. i will give you a couple of modern examples of the memo. one example of the memo givers is junior achievement. i love junior achievement. i love history. where did history come from? a grain farmers 100 years ago were trying to take out how to hand down the farm to the next generation. there was no place to teach the kids how to run a business so they created a listen junior achievement. do you follow make? junior achievement. import export finance and macroeconomics so the kids could run their daddies and mommies farms. did everybody else get the memo? they didn't. 1865, if you don't listen to anything else i said was into this. march 3, it 1855 change everything. president lincoln signed the emancipation proclamation. we all know that story. what we don't know is he side find the freedman's bureau act. the freeman spierer act created hospitals and one here in the district at one of the universities. it also created the freeman ba bank. the freeman's bank mission march 3, 1865, hold on. the mission, teach free slaves about money. this is march 3 now, 1865. lincoln thought the most important thing he could do for freed slaves after physical freedom was to teach them how the free enterprise system worked in a capitalist country. a democracy rooted in capitalism. he loved the idea so much he went to the -- wears the white house? back then it was the department of four and on the right when fema and fdic and by the way are partners and acting commissioner for the district is also here. the department of war back in on the right is the u.s.. treasury department, money. war, policy and money. war, policy and money. those aren't the most important things. right across the street is where bank of america is today was the freedman's bank. lincoln wanted to come home and go upstairs and look out of the window and see the candles burning to make sure they were working. but general comes along come he can't make this up. the general comes along and says president lincoln why do we give them 40 acres and a mule quick lincoln said it wasn't my idea but i can -- he was killed two weeks later. the bank vaults weren't as repair and they called him the worst president we had in history because he was a southern segregationist. he figured he would never be killed after the war and he figured he would get killed in the war. this will be run by a -- of white men will run this country. he said that. look in the history books come he said that. he tried to cancel the freedman's bureau but the republican congress said no we are not going to cancel it. he told the governors in the south the next best thing, ignore it. that is how you can have a country that creates laws completely separate from federal law. the story is not over. frederick douglass took over the thing. this is like that colon poll event. sterling reputation tries to say that 70,000 black apologists put their money enough light that the facts they were slaves. loved america so much they put their money the in the bank. the bank fails and it did more to set free slaves back 10 years into slavery. 100 years past that fast and now you are at 1957. here comes dr. king mikey ron besser young who i mention by the way, that is living history. 1965, 68 dr. king started the poor people's campaign. you can't make this up. you cannot pass and the only way to achieve social justice and a capitalist country is through economic parity. ownership. it was about whites, blacks, reds browne and others and i come back to my message and i will summarize on why we are all in this thing together. he realized that the color was green. he realized that the civil rights movement was not about black people. it was about redeeming the soul of america. it's going back to why i love jim clifton so much and why that quote when he said i just want america to win, you knew that everybody had the field growing for our team. dr. king was killed -- the poor people's campaign in 1968. guess what? we never got the memo. here's why i'm optimistic. it's not like poor working class struggling middle-class people got the memo and we screwed it up. we never got the memo. we have never in the history of this country tried to use the power of the free enterprise system to set people free. what is freedom today. [inaudible question] determination. you cannot self determine yourself in america today without economic freedom and an understanding of the language. here's what slavery is. if you don't understand the language and you don't have a bank account today you are an economic slave. i believe in america but i also believe that dr. king did not go to the mall and say i never dreamed that gdp gdp will grow 2% a year. he had a dream that was bigger than himself and people called him crazy. it was bold and wise. he called people to imagine the possibilities and he brought people together. i think people want to be brought, help me out here. i think people want to be brought together. tell me if i'm right, people that want to be brought together. [applause] i think we are sick and tired of being sick and tired. i think we are tired of pitting each other against each other pitting each other can teach it adheres or her irony. your problem today is not your next-door neighbor. it's not the way men are the way manner the black man of asian men are the indian man or the italian. that's not your problem. your competitor is china. who wants your stuff and god bless them for trying. our problem is africa wants her stuff. don't cut out africa. i've been there. there are billionaires in africa. they got it legally. there there are entrepreneurs there. they are going to school and they work hard. do you know what we do in america? we just want to chill. india wants your stuff. africa wants your stuff. africa wants your stuff. brazil wants your stuff. latin america wants your stuff. everybody wants what america has got. i see jim standing up there and he wants me to wrap this up. here's the miracle. jim told me this. 7 billion people on the planet. these are the numbers. 7 billion people on the planet, 3 billion people in america 27 million countries -- companies in america. how many create one job are more quick 6 million. how many employ more than 10,000 people? 974. and you can name them. wells fargo bank of america google ibm help me out. hp apple dell facebook time warner. why? instagram, not yet. [laughter] so here is what we are telling our kids. let me finish with a number. then you have 18,000 companies that employ 1000 to 10,000 people but half of all employment is 100 employees or less. 70% of all employment, 500 employees or less. think about the dinners you go to. think about the law firm who did your last legal transaction. think about the medical office you want to. think about the place you got your haircut or your hair did as they say my neighborhood. think about the restaurants you went to. 50, 70, 80, 100, 300, 500 maximum employees. that is what is driving the largest economy on the planet. we are looking in the wrong places and we are digging in the wrong holes. what do we tell our kids and then i'm done for you to tell to go to school. go and get a degree. go to college and go to high school. work for a big company or government. neither of which are hiring. 92% of all jobs in america are private private sector and a% of our jobs by the government. i just told you what the big businesses are less than 1000 they don't grow based on people. they grow based on efficiencies. the machinery for small businesses you and me. machinery and all job growth goes from your three figure 7 that's where the growth comes from. let me leave you with this question. if you want to be a football player and they tell you an elementary school and middle school they identify you and they track you all the way through. you want to be a basketball player. they identify you and track you all the way through. you identify in canada to the national hockey league players are. they tell you in elementary school and they track you. we have a system called grades, gpa. identify steve jobs, bill gates, herman russell, reginald lewis, entrepreneurs of the small business. not even big players but the people that create jobs. there's no system for it. the most important campaign in america's history right now has no system. then they wonder why we are losing because we have disconnected education from aspiration. you can't make this up. today is june 5, the 77th anniversary of the marshall pl plan. you can't make us out. i did not plan it this way. i found out two days ago the marshall plan rebuilt europe after world war ii. we have rebuilt the countries that bombed us, germany japan in two of our biggest allies germany and japan doing well and doing good. reimagining their whole economy. we have got a problem here america. its 40 million people who areunder bank. half of americans who have -- too much money at the end of their money and an american dream that is really at risk. i think we have to reimagine everything. i think we have everything we need right here. the whole planets in the book and i'm delivering the memo. i'm making a promise right now he read the book and you don't find hope in a book and a solution answered you can't find a plan that can't be implemented to send it back and i will send you a check. goodbye. [applause] .. >> there are only 2 million businesses if you take the mom-and-pop shops out, 500,000 companies are started each year and 400,000 close. so net of it hundred thousand that are part of a really fragile economics is them to keep america alive. so four years ago those numbers were upside down and now we are 400,000 and 500,000 closing. it is not too hard to argue that america is going broke and i was able brookings said because the enterprises dine. our survey, the 15 million kids in high school, this is really encouraging and really helpful. half of them said that they dream of starting a business. of all the problems that we have had this might be the easiest one to fix and the fix is free and you don't need taxes or more money, you could probably spend less money. but if you had if you had all 15 million kids sitting right in front of you and some of them probably don't have the talent to her business and keep it going and all that, but what would you say to them and is it wrong to want to be rich or be your own boss? and so what would you say to 15 million high school kids that might fix what is america's most serious problem in our business? >> to give her the question. first of all, we need government admitted the private sector and we need the community area all these pieces at the table, government enables free enterprise and the right environment to grow. we need entrepreneurs, but not everyone can be a small business owner or an entrepreneur and some people are supportive of the people who are entrepreneurs. so let me tell you a quick story about this. there is a young man in detroit who goes to the literacy program and my friend knows about the program and by the way when i was growing up, kids want to learn. today you go to the same school in five kids admit that they want to learn. but there's nothing wrong with the kids. for this example, the kids are just sitting around in the bigger shows up in the classroom with a suit on and comes once a week for six weeks, the first time people are just not paying attention and the second time, the third time they are raising questions very timidly. by the fourth time he is punching a hole with questions about at the time he is wearing his sunday best and he wants to be like the guy in the front of the auditorium. and he walks down the hall and he can't make this up and fight, it's like, why are you hang around with those people and i do need to hang out with us. and so i looked it them in the two friends, we don't need them. these are smart kids to know that you also need another $30 and derek says, we have the beginning of the story. the guy jumps on him emotionally and you need some air air jordan ends, everybody in school has this. black air jordan, purple air jordan's, everybody who is cool has this. and so i go to defend him and he says, no, no, it is cool and i want them to be able to buy those shoes. [laughter] [applause] because when they do, they are making me money. until a light came on and aj, he came to you and you are a role model to him and he didn't take into ballparks are museums, you give them a serious job and how old was he? >> he was nine when he started in probably 12 now. >> okay, so he was, basically one day he gets an e-mail in the middle of the night and he wanted to brag that he has an a- for a grade. tension ignited the right side of his brain, but then says i believe any of and interrupted his confidence and what'll i do it back, and i was talking about my story when i was growing up and i didn't notice all the drama, i was on fire. and so i think that if we can get every kid to ignite that right side of their brain and the hope side and the aspiration side and the excitement side, that would be great. >> so what do you think the aspiration is? >> the aspiration to succeed economically. either with a good job or a shot of an economic opportunity. we teach a course in financial dignity and strength minors and everyone is telling them what they are bad at and we want to help them understand what they are good at and then we give them $2500 to start a business and shopping for kids to get two minutes, when they do well, we found the business and it changes everything. >> i want you to think deeply when i ask you this next question. he started up what is now a very large enterprise and you could've been a really dandy guide at this, as an executive, why did you want to take a road of grieving energy were nonexistent? you know why you did? >> i wanted freedom. >> okay. >> i wanted to be freedom and i believe it's no different then my mom or dad. >> he told me to give you an answer. [applause] >> my backup driver is from pakistan and i asked him why he came to america and he said because of freedom and i asked him why did you start a business and he makes about $80,000 per year and he drives six days a week and he said freedom. as i said it's a different question and i said no, it's a different answer, i work as hard as i want, or chrisman near that many hours, and whoever comes, it's my choice. and it's self-determination which is my argument for this book. you cannot have freedom without this without economic energy. it just doesn't exist. >> what was the percent? one of the questions that we asked a sample of high school kids was what he wanted me to be your own boss and 5% said no and 70 some percent said yes. >> i don't know the exact percentage, but 77% of all kids said they wanted to be their own boss and 99% of kids were not afraid to take a risk and 54% wanted to own their own business. so 80% of all kids want to own their own business as well. [applause] >> that would be great for your next project. a good thing to get to the bottom of. >> would we like to take questions from the audience? >> no. >> in one minute. okay, he said that to start a business, no matter who you are you need to be in a state of mind of overconfidence because people who start businesses are smart but yet the statistics are so against you if you use logic he won't start the business. so you need to be in such an extreme state of mind of aspiration and inspiration that if we knew what it was truly fit the switch, that can make a lot of difference. >> you have a couple questions for john before we move? >> while she's asking the question, when you leave here and you drive by an inner-city nec and extirpated with lunch lender or go to the registrar with the spinners, that is not racism and that is not discrimination but that is target marketing. they are targeting this credit score customer. it could be 117, it could be 120-point, because nothing changes as more than 120-point. >> and the interest rates are what, 40%? >> guest. what is insulting if you have a government check and a social security check they are charging up to 5%. so what is the chance that they check will bounce if they're charging for your own money? that's what happens and some people i'm convinced are actually depressed and we have lost all hope. so that is why you have to get the hope factor out, the confidence up, no self-esteem and the credit card score up. because it can be used as a credit card or bank and that becomes an emerging market question. >> my name is surely and thank you for your information. >> hold on one second and we will get you. >> hello, my name is shirley and i want to thank you for the information and you are awesome. >> would you like me to speak little louder. >> that's okay. >> i love teaching young people how to be successful because it's very important. they are their own future and they are carrying on their legacy. the issue is that once you teach or informed gorgeous guide the students and young folks how to build a business, where do you go where they build his business and they have the large conglomerates to deal with when it comes to competition? >> that his life. there is no easy answer to that. the road less traveled, life is difficult. and the thing that i learned at nine or 10 years old which was my first business, i went and made $300 per week selling candy, had a great success and the next 60 business ideas, they failed at age 10 to 20. but what i learned was to be resilient that kids in inner cities are more resilient because you are always managing around pain and risk and all kinds of security issues and so kids are actually more equipped to become entrepreneurs and anyone else. my point is that i could've went and got a job after that. and so you're going to deal with discrimination and you have to be resilient. like his temper somewhat like this to you 90% how you choose to respond to it. but i learned from age 10 and 20 was to manage my response and to manage this my first book says that courage is nothing more than faith displaying itself. that's all it is. and the key to life is managing pain. the pain you create for yourself and for others and the going through this exercise is that you create young people who are almost resilient to pain and disappointment in their perseverance level is through the roof and you cannot stop them. at that point it doesn't matter what else that they do what they are going to get to it. and that's what i'm looking for, is a resilient generation of builders and leaders some of which have become entrepreneurs. >> starting this a little bit late now, john is going to be right here and i'm going to adjourn us and i want to tell you one more time. i read yours, every single one of it and it's the best book i've read in 10 years and i want to say again that it's definitely your best work. >> thank you, we are adjourn for cocktails and meatballs. 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maybe let vladimir putin die on his own vine. maybe him fall on his own sword because the world clearly is not buying his bullying for now and here is the kicker. his own russian market..@ may because it has no plans to attack you create military units today. >> this is a very fluid situation and it's very difficult to go after specific things that can be done. you have to be more of a broad situation and you stand back and let it happen and let it develop and see if it implodes on its own. we can certainly send secretary john kerry, as if being done, from the president of ukraine as well. suspend him from the -8. because it's really about finances and russia. they are very concerned about their financial stability and their financial measures that the 28 nato nations in the eu and the united states can be very effective. neil: i always think that they have weight of these issues and threat to the letter. and i think that he is now doing so as well. oil prices are skyrocketing ina currency that keeps me going. and it will keep me going. the more volatile and make this come in the more the oil prices up in the world. so that is a win-win for me, no matter what's happening in my market or currency. >> i think that as a result of the olympics, the world had a pretty good impression of not only him but russia and he is self emboldened and the presidents of bolivia and foreign-policy and other situations here with benghazi and obamacare, it's just a credibility issue. so he's going to continue to do what he wants to do regardless. but i think that they are relying on currency and it's not just about oil, but it's also about being a good real partner in having the respect from the european union members as well as the nato members. so it's going to play out a little bit more of it have any defini idas where it ultimately will fall. neil: meanwhile, a retired army general said this is not something toake lightly. the general astronomy now on the phone. the fact of the matter is that sometimes with these crises, and you know better than i, thngs can get t of hand fast. >> absolutely. the analogy that i use is hitler's germany. history doesn't repeat itself, but it ds rhyme. what the oversight treaty waso hitler, what was soviet union is to vladimir putin. he turned it into dictatorship and that's what he did. he used the violated german minorities in central europe and places like czechoslovakia and that is exactly what putin is doing today and there's nothing new under the sun here. latimer hootn. neil: he must know it hat evn as cazy as it can be, then it matters to have that currency going. and you would think they would try to leverage all ofthat. >> i disagree completely. this is russia. and the russians have a 2000 year old history of either being at your knees or at your throat and this is visceral and the main audience is and nato, it's the russian people. and the russian people are loving this and it's almost like it's docked world war ii again. neil: we've been reading a lot of this press. they do like that. but i am reminded what mitt romney was talking about with russia. so have a listen. >> romney was right. >> he was. he was absolutely right. and you might also note that not only did the president dismissed roey, but the vast majority of the media actually made parodies out of what mtt romney said. and that is precisely what happens today and it seems to crumble around the world, bad guys stepping in and filling that gap. this has been going on for 4000 years there's nothing about conditions today that are any different. >> general, it's good to talk to you again. thank you, my friend. meanwhile, back on the hill, pleading the fifth. is it me or the way that the irs is dragging out the targeting investigation, it makes you want to drink a [ male announcer ] nearly 7 million clients. how did edrd jones get so big? t me just put this away. ♪ could you teach our kids that trick? 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[ male announcer ] prilosec otc is the number one doctor recommended frequent heartburn medicine for 8 straight years. one pill each morng. 24 hours. zero heartburn. >> i have been advised by my counsel to assert a constitutional right not to testify and i have decided to line my count is advised not to buy. i will not answer any questions or testify in i will not answer any questions or testify today. i decline to answer that question. for the rson that berti given. >> that was then. so why should things be any different right now? republicans and the irs scandal. neil: sing again she will plead neil: sing again she will plead the fifth. tina, what do you make of this? is it even worth the time dragging her back? >> younow, you make a good point. probably not. none of it matters because we all know that eric holder is not going to do anything about it and i don't think republicans are going to let go at that. so maybe she should make a deal here. some sort of a plea, something that would get these guys to move forward under this investigation. i'm surprised that they are dragging her back. >> if you look at the record company continued to drive these things and it doesn't matter what it is or it it takee forever and it all just mumbles in with the new cycle. and then the pople, the american people have no clue what is going on. but if you look at the record, if you look at the way that they had acted like royals, it is a criminal protection racket taking place at the highest echelons of the united states government. it is nothing less than criminal. >> we take the senate and the fall, and it's a whole new game. that's a lot to hang yoor hat on. but on the league lois lerner is involved in that and they are continuing as business as usual. but what would it take for her to get off the dime? it comes back to making a dal. her bosses aren't ignoring tis. >> i don't think there ill be rest. they're going to hold the government accountable for long last of criminal activity since the ginning of this administration. the real tragedy is that where is the day icourt for the people who were targeted by lois lerner is two where is the dain court for the people whose names at an opportune time last right before the election? and also what about tho organizations out there because now no one wants to donate because they are afraid as a donor their names will be we. this is the situation that we have and this is the real tragedy. two well put and good seeing you. >> good view. neil: now, i like this, it almost came across as too of them. portraying the rich as greedy and smug. the folks were apparently watching the coverage of this. head of advertising and it's basically saying that the hard work create the own luck in order to achieve it that you just have to believe that anything is possible. it is not about materialism. but the advertisement doesn't lie and apoint in a point then as it now is that if you're going to argue, and as mayr bill de blasio is plating around new yo, these parents are protesting them. protesting them. you may want to be worried so our business can be on at&t's network for $1 a month? 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>> it is less tha 10% of the kids right now. why not give them a chance? the charter schools are successful. >> it's a veryood point. in the meantime, ralph nader saying if she were to run, woul@ yoyou back or not we've set up whole two-party system? >> we need fresh voices and fresh experience. >> what he was talking about is that it openeor run for office. that is the first thing that ralph nader ever said that i agree with. one more and jim clinton takes credit for srplus. he people forget was the republicans who control the house and the senate. basically like alternators id. >> yes, we have been talking about this. so what about political monopolies, we have the same politicians who have taxes for funding, time and again come back into fice. we have talked about this since e nixon administration. they have been around since the reagan and the nation. so wis there a political monopoly and where is the third independent party voice. we don't have that yet in the united states and it's costing us. >> what why do they all have to be piticians? what is wrong with going out out of that one. neil: in the meantime, finally a crazy tweet fro one of our followers. my older sister regina tolde when i was little, i was six or seven years old, and they punched a 12-year-old in the days and he was booing her. >> yes, i read tweet. i had no idea i did this. it was on my stuff, it had been bullying her and pulling her hair for quite some time. thing you should punch people in the faith, i just couldn't take her rom being bullied, i had no idea where it he told me about it. >> sion was the end result that she was happy about equipment imine was very happy about it. she's dead where my brothers mama brothers were there to help me. and so for oncei felt good that i did something. and that's what she was saying. neil: this hash tags.com what does that mean? >> i don't know. ralph can te you. he's the producer. >> identifying it as a thing that in this case will be a part of it. >> i'm told that's what it does. as we get all this stuff and like-minded e-mails. neil: he went to congress and u.n. here enact. >> yes. neil: back to the gm recall delay. the company knew thatthey had a serious ignition problem. yet they did nothing and said nothing and you guys all stopped talking about it. still another. since the recall notic him and makes me even more glad that i just bought a nongovernment sport. gm, what took you so long? 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>> you know all i'm trying to do speak up for what is happening to my mom, she and people like her, can gene access to the -- can gain access to the care they need. >> argument is that, harry reid argued and nancy pelosi has a lot of these story are made up, and they are not that bad obamacare not the reason. it was not because of obamacare. and you are hanging it on obamacare, what do you say? >> well, senator's comments are a plate ant denial -- blatant denial of the facts. now, i just like perhaps. so i can tell this as clearly as possible to your viewers. neil: they are? >> well she was diagnosed with neuroendo skincancer in 2005. canner of sadly steve jobs died of, main treatment for that disease is a drug called sandy on stat en lar . i want t tress very opinion this drug which does not exist in generic form is not novel or experimental it is the stand av of care for people with her disced disease, m mother had a plan with blew blue cross blue shield for 20 year, and very happy, she received a letter in october saying that she would be canceled as a direct result of the ada . she researched all of the plans at the time, very carefully. she was assured by humana that plan she bought, i gather is most expensive government approved plan in the state of virginia, she was assured it would cover her at 100% after deductible, enrollment agents did not have aess to details on the plan, you said you have to buy it to find out for sure what is in it she was 100% assured it. fast forward to two weeks ago herrin surer told her they you would cot be covering that medication after all. bottom line, s had plan that worked wonderfully, and now she does not, either way the president lied, he said she could keep her health plan. people should not be forced into plans theyo not want. neil: i hope she comes along gets better, steven thank you very mh. >> thank you neil. neil: now it is easy to come back at say insurance compani and blame them, high mark health insurance ceo said this would be wrong, what happens they go back to insurance companies you say? >> neil, nice to be with you. unfortunate situation that got described there, my heart goes out to that gentleman and his mother, one of the real issues that cuts across this story and many others, that issue of affordability. and care for medicine, medical care is become unafor an there are aspects of this law that don't help that there are things that we can do, right here at high mark we took action last week, very relevant to this story, we decided to close a loophole, for cancer drugs. and as you may or may not know cancer drugs administers in the hospital today are paid 3 or 5 time z as expensive as same drug in the doctor's office. no different in patient or drug, no difference in care, we said that is ridiculous, we'll close that loophole, we announce a policy it will save our subscribers, the employers and individuals $200 million a year. neil: bill, to be clear, this idea that the affordable care act will mean all preexisting conditions are covered, all drugs to treat those conditions, that you are not going to pay more as a result, is at best unrealistic? >> is not about having just broad coverag it is 'cost of medical care that drives up the cost of that coverage, and whether it is premium you pay or increasing he the cost sharing, that deductible, copayments, those are substantial in many of the plans, inappropriate there shld be cost sharing, but what you apply that against really expense of things like cancer drugs, that can cost and one example that we had here, 13,000 dollars for a single treatment. and it was at o hospital system in this area as opposed to for example, a johns hopkins that statement treatment, se drug was $2,005. that needs to be changed. we can do that. neil: bill thank you very much for clarifying a lot of that, i don't like where this is going. >> it you hear the one about the kid suin suing her parents for throwing her out of the house, not paying or school tuition or college tuition, shea are within th [ male announcer ] did you know that if you wear a partial, you're almost twice as likely to lose your supporting teeth? try poligrip for partials. poligrip helps minimize stress which may damage supporting teeth by stabilizing your partial. care for your partial. help protect your natural teeth. neil: in tonight's let me be brief, 18 and out of the house, out of luck, a morristown, new jersey stupe i student is suing her parents they have cut the apron string. she claims they you this her out of the house, threw her out of the house, she is on her own, the parents said she did not abide by rules, does she have a case? kelly, you would tell rachel tough luck? >> absolutely, i think per parents might hav an obligation to continue paying for her high school education because they had a contract with the school but college, no way. that is not a guaranteed right, her parts don't have an obligation, and if she wants to live under her roof, and not listen to her rules, i think she is out of luck. >> when you bring a child into this world, you raise them through good and bad. neil: 18 they are adults. >> well, actually not really, not in new jersey because there is a law that says, if you are 18 years old, y are enrolled in college, have you legal right to go to court are rebut presumption you are not a child any more, and you know at en of the day as a teen ager you have a boyfriend that mommy and caddie don't like 92 tell me about it. it. >> you should gone offall people. -- you should know of all people, but you don't punish your child by ge priving them. neil: yes you can, my daughter has seen guys that of the missing link, but i digress. my points on this. girl suing her parents to get what she wants, does that feed this narrative she is pushy, greedy. >> entitled? absolutely, she is not willing to listen to their rules, she lived with the friend's familyy@ she worked with the dad of the friend who is a lawyer, she has legal bills and no money to pay that, she is not being accountable if her house, she as hey problem of affluent za. if she is enrled in college they might have a obligation, she is not, she is still in high school. neil: we don't know she is a brat. but i live in the area, i know this school, it is a pricey school, the high school is closing in at $7,000. so, parents have stopped paying that in interim. but you are argue they should pay that? >> i think so. >> i think so. >> i think that public policy to be to encourage kids to get an education, she should get a job, she is a honor student, a smart girl but working at college bookstore is not paying a college tuition, she is n getting financial aid because of her partner's income. she is sing pay for my college tuition, let me better myself. neil: why do the parents have to pay for her college tuition, but i know a lot of kids including myse, you takeut college loans, you do what you have to do. but i don't think it should be given that your parents automatically are saddled with that. >> and -- if she does not can to college, whereoes that leave her, society will have to take care of her. neil: come on, come on. >> wh what kind of policy, my parents have money, they set aside a college fund, court would say too bad. >> what kind of policy does in send when childldren sue their parents. neil: we're talking, we'll see what happens, i think that cooler heads should prevail, maybe they will. in the meantime, kid, you better watch how you are to your parents. neil: the selfy tweeted around the ld, how this made a twitter look like a bunch of twits. neil: tim cook about to be cooked, shareholders pushing back, apple ceo pushing company cash to go 2 disbree 2 -- into green investmtments, saying, if you want me to do things for return on investment reasons you should get out of this stock. is the right move? garick and michael, i'm trying to give him every benefit of the doubt, i am an apple shareholder i have been for decade, trying to think maybe he is saying look at what i to in bigger picture, and what i do in bigger picture, and company social commitment is part of that, but i got a little annoyed saying we should not judge how he spends that money, as shire holders we should -- as shares holders we should,tion we? >> yes. i am hard pressed to find any other ceo coof a compa saying, if you dop like what we're dodoing, sell the stock, for him to do this, and what on the arrogant side. someone by the name of js would never do that. >> mike, youking argue if you like green and technology show us how you like green doing it, what do you think? >> i agree wit both sides companies like apple who are profitable with monster margins should leaded way on innovative technology, he is the sharehder and protect or of stock holders but he is trying to find the next new technology like apple has done lover last 20 years -- don over the last 20 years. neil: a new technology or a cause? if he is pushing new technology that is one thing but to make a social statement, ewing that technology that might or might not benefit shareholders but tell them if you don't like it lumpt that is a bit more, isn't it. >> it is, we're all making assumption he is being arrogant, it came off that way. but i think apple keep a lot of their technolog under the cup until this is ready to roll, i locould be said for a lot of new tech companies today. >> neil there is no upside to what he said, only down side, if there is one shareholder who sold their stockhat is a good thing, hopefully he learns a lesson from this and zips lip. neil: everyone talking about how this oscar selfy went viral, it knocked twitter out, 20 minutes during oscars, that the danger of being on internet, on your golden moment, if this is not first time, the thing goes cablewy does not make you look good. >> with the new technology, this is a mechanical device like a car or a airplane, wonderful as it is. there is going to be issues it is going to break down, the social media stuff gets information to so many people so quickly, it is mind boggling, the fact that it runs as well as it does, is a testament to our technology 92 w. neil: we should accept warts and all? >> it is part of the process, twitter is huge, i gather they did not expect or the technology did not expect what they got,tious what happened. for the stock for the company, if it happens too many times it will affect things, but there is more noise on good end for twitter than down side. neil: any comments on selfies, years ago we just saidwkward trying to take a picture of your, like went i -- on vacation, i am wondering is this whole technology out of hand, is to jt the way the world is. >> i think the way that world is, i think selfies and concept of going viral is amazing, think about it we can use social media technology not only for things like selfers, the oscars or over. but i think from a political perspective, we can use social media to get word ut to population, get an instant feedback loop, to where people stand on different issues, they can g information from public within hours, i think that down side, it may put college polls out of business. neil: that is a good points, gary. what do you make of the selfy fixing a? they are leveraging off of it in. >> selfy is a popular, they are here to stay, started with celebrity, now everyone else, hopefully you take normal selfies, not abnormal. but as far as whole social thing, it is just begun, company are aking huge advantage ofuge advertising for be going to forward, i think we're at the beginning. neil: i thinkf you are a big star, and you have to take a selfy that demeans you as a star, people should be taking pictur of you. meanwhile, thank you very much for putting some of this in perspective. what is deal with this what's deal e-mail and tweet, i am letting you in on a little question, if superman and batman got in a fight, who do you think would win? my answer. my answer. it's a no brainer, i so our business can be on at&t's network for $175 a month? yup. all 5 of you for $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk andext. we're working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential? add a line, anytime, for $15 a month. low dues, great terms. let's close! new at&t mobile are value plans our best value plans everor business. iwe don't back down. we only know one direction: up so we're up early. up late. thinking up ga-changing ideas, like this: dozens of tax free zones across new york state. move here. expand he. or start a new business here... and pay no taxes for years. withew jobs, new opportunities and a new tax free plan. there's only one way for your business to go. up. find out if your business can qualify at start-upny.com neil: a tv host entertaining any and all questions, you ask, i answer, any question, business, personal, you got something you want to get off your chest. what's' the deal, neil. to texas, what's the deal with lovely wom on the show, quit ladies looks like bimbos, noted. that is all. >> we really like your new segment. i like you and dough. >> mark, i like how you put people onhe spot, you look like a wuss, then bam, you let them have it, like lou castello going bond kers, and kathy in brook feel, wisconsin, wha brookfield, wisconsin, what do you do on st. patrick's day, i drink kath i i i start quite early. >> you are all talking and moving like you or something, no, that is just us raw, we're just so in to what we do our own private dna drugs, and what is dealith talking about money? can't you talk about something else? no. >> heather, in alabama, why do you up north always tk about the weather. because it has not been nice. what is the deal with our ad, you look stupid, surprise things that come out of your mouth are stupid, did you know that. >> no, but did you know that pele who e-mail comments like that, prove they are more stupid. john, hey, neil, kenny rogers and rod stewart have scratches voices, try singing to your haters, and some good tweets, like these, neil, i think that you are the most hand some guy at fox, i love a guy that will speak his mind, to hell with these twits, then, your sarcasm, cynicism, make you one of my favorite people on fox, god bless. this one in chicago, i heard about being built for comfort, you seem built for a nuclear winter, your thoughts? thought less. el long, er in -- elsinore, i like big men i will leave it at that. >> did you know with all detail you still look as hand some as ever. remarkable. >> kevin in kansas, wants to know why i bash so many republicans, go slow o this party rip. just lit us win in november, they will thing. they won't change kevin, i say you might has well pack of your tent and be done with politics, do what you say, say what do you or be de with it i can't stand it take a sta. michelle eneil, did you see the oscar selfy, i think you should do a cavuto show selfy, you think? though no, i think it ounds stupid. why do you believe in fracking when there is wind and solar. >> i believe do them all push them a, as long as we get to where we don't need to rely on middle east, some theuts at all. torng ito in philadelphia, what do you think that world the end? the book points my show goes off the air. if super man and batman got in the fight who would win that is easy, superman tmy, batman just has that belt, and nothing else. >> -- class? >> well, i are changed financial reporting as w know it cliff, world is a better place for it try that. you will get an easy a. keep e-mls and tweets coming, we want to hear from you, what is the deal neil. your chance to really ask any question you want. as long as you are within bounces, the we' weight questions are getting silly, the camera does add 5 see you tomorrow. kennedy: are you in the mood for an intervention? therevailing wisdom seems to be no. at least with the ukraine, stay out of this. difference is between right and left. as how we should best respond, very subtle. we could actually have an elevated national discussion about crimea, you might agree with your come an adversary's about russia's over react, and how we got here, and what to do about putin, people are fighting for their freedom, and paying with their lives, that does not an we need to sacrifice american lives watching russia

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maybe let vladimir putin die on his own vine. maybe et him fall on his own sword because the world clearly is not buying his bullyingor now and here is the kicker. his own russian marke..@ maybe because it has no plans to attack you create mitary units today. >>his is a very fluid situation and it's very difficult to go afr specific things that can be done. you have to be more of a broad situation and you stand back and let it happen and let it develop and see if it implodes on its own. we can certainly send secretary johnerry, as if being done, from the president of ukraine as well. suspend him from the g-8. because it's really about finances and russia. they are very concerned about their financial stability and their financialmeasures that the 28 nato nations in the eu and the unitedstates can be very effective. neil: i always think tt they have weight of these issues and threa to the letter. and i think that he is now doing so as well. oil prices are skyrocketing in a currency thatkeeps me going. and it will keep me going. the more vatile and make this come in the more the oil prices go up i the world. so that is a win-win for me, no matter what's happening in my market or currency. >> think that as a result of the olympics, the world had a pretty good impression of not only him but russia and he is self emboldene and the pridents of bolivia and foreign-policy and othr situations here with benghazi and obamacare, it's just a credibility issue. so he's gog to continue to do what he wants to do regardless. but i think that they are relying on currency and it's not just about oil, but it's also about being a good real partner in having the respect from the european union member as well as the nato members. it's going to play out a little bit more of it have any definite ideas where it ultimately will fall. neil: meanwhile, a retiredrmy general said this is not something to take lightly. the general astronomy now on the phone. the fact of e matter is that sometimes with these crises, and you know bter than i, things can get out of hand fast. >absolutely. the analogy that i use is hitler's germany. history doesn't repeat itself, but it does ryme. what the oversight treaty was hitler, what was soviet union is to vladimir putin. he turned it intoa dictatorship and that's what he did. he used the vioated german minorities in central europe and places like czechoslokia and that is exactly what putins doing today and there's nothing new under the sun here. latimer hooton. neil: he must know it tha ven as crazy as it can be, then it matters to have that currency going. and you would think they would try to leverage all of that. >> i dsagree completely. this is russia. and the russians have a 2000 year old history of either being at your knees or at your throat and this is visceral and the main audience is and nato, it's the russian people. and the russian people are loving this and it's almoslike it's docked world war ii again. neil: we've been readin lot of this press. they do like that. but i am reminded what mitt romney was talking about with russia. so have a listen. >> romney was right. >> he was. he was absolutely right. and you might also note that not only did the president dismissed romney, but the vast majority of the media actually made parodies out of what mitt romney said. and tat is precisely what happens today and it ems to cmble around the world, bad guys steppinin and filling that gap. this has been going on for 4000 years. there's nothing about conditions today thatre any different. >> general, it's good to talk to you again. thank u, my friend. meanwhile, back on the hill, pleading the fifth. is it me othe way that the irs is dragging out the targeting investigation, it makes you want what super poligrip does for me ist keeps the food out. before those little pieces would get in between my dentures and my gum and it was uncomfortable. 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republicans and he irs scandal. neil: sing again she will plead neil: si again she will plead the fifth. tina, what do you make of this? is it even worth the time agging her back? >> you know, you make a good point. probably not. none of it matters because we all know that eric holder is not going to danything about it and i don't think republicans are going to let go at that. so maybe she should make a deal here. some sort of a plea, something that would get these guys to move forward under this investigation. i'm surprised that they e dragging h back. >> if you look at the record company continued to drive these things and it doesn't matter what it is or it it takee forever and it all just mumbles in with the new cycle. and then the people, the american people ha no cl what is going on. but if you look atthe record, if you look at the way that they had acted like royals, it is criminal protection racket taking pla at the highest echelons of the united states government. it is nothing less than crimina >> we take the senate and the fall, and it's a whole new game. that's a lot to hang yoor hat on. but on the league lois lerner is involved in that and they are continuing as business as usal. but hat would it take for her to get off the dime? 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why target us? the oon going ballistic. ilda gladio announcing cut on three very successful charter schools. that has got our witter followers talking. i believe that all parents deserve cool toys. paying off campaign contriutors at the expense that it's odious. not the teachers unions or the yor of new york cit. liz macdonald is here. it's a hot topic. so what do you make of this? >> i come from a family of teachers. teachers in public schools. my mother and my grandmother. what she is saying is that children are crying, the parents are saying that they would rather homeschool their children now, those who are in charter schools and they are saying that if our kids are going to be taken out of the charter schools, we'd rather homeschool them, put them back infailing public schools where they are not learning to read or math or science. great ratesare quadrupling. the performance rates for the kids are getting eve better. neil: tat is what the teachers union groups are afraid of because the numbers are that stark. >> yes, that is the word on the street. let's see the e-mails between the city council and billde blasio's office going against the charter school. because this is being paited as a blood vendetta between bill de blasio. the e-mails need to be shown to the public on how they are ung their personal city council committee to go after the charter schools. >> but then they won't survive, well they? >> it is less than 10% of the kids right now. why not give them a chance? the charter schools are successful. >> it's a very god point. in the meantime, ralph nader sing if sh were to run, wouldd@ you back or not we've set up whole two-party system? >> we need fresh voices and fresh experience. >> what he was talking about is that it opened or n for office. that is the first thing that ralph nader ever said that i agree with. one more and jim clinton takes credit for surplus. he people forget it was the repuicans who control the house and the senate. basically i like alternators idea. >> yes, we have been talking about this. so what about political monopolies, we have the same politicians who have txes for funding, time and again come back into office. we have talked about this since the nixon administration. they have been aroundince the reagan and the nation. so why is there a political monopoly and where is the third independent party voice. don't have that yet in the united states and it's costing us. >> what why do they all have to be politicians? what is wrong with going out out of that one. neil: in the mentime, finally a crazy tweet from one of our followers. my older sister regina told me when i was little, i ws six or seven years old, and they punched a 12-year-old in the days and he was booing her. >> yes, i read tweet. i had no idea i did this. it was on my stuff, it had been bullying her and pulling her hair for quiteome time. thing you should punch people in the faith, i just couldn't tak her from bei bullied, i had no idea where it he tod me about it. >> sion was the end result that she was happy about equipment imagine was very happy about it. she's dead where my brothers mama brothers were there to help me. and so for once i felt good that i did something. and that's what she was saying. neil: this hashtags.com what does that mean? >> i don't know. ralph can tell you. he's the producer. >> identifying it as a thing that in this case will be a part of it. >> i'm told that's what it does. as we get all this stuff and like-minded e-mails. neil: he went o congress and u.n. here enact. >> yes. neil: back to the gm recall delay. the company knew that they had a serious ignition problem. yet they did nothing and said nothing and you guys all stopped talking about t. still another. since the recall notices him and makes me even more glad that i just bought a nongovernment sport. gm,what took you so long? 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>> well, as of this morning, i received a telephone call saying they they were going to cover her for the next year, we have not received tha in writing yet, if i say is drawing a larger problem it takes a op-ed, on a natiol newspaper, phone calls, just to get one drug covered for one year, how do we know that system is going to work well for those who d't get that kind of attention. neil: w many others who didn't have the access you did, and push you did, to get your grief published and seen on tv, how many are feeling brunt of this? >> you know all i'm trying to do speak up for what is happening to my mom, she and people like her, can gene access to the -- can gain access to the care the need. >> argt is that, harry rei argued and nancy pelosi has a lot of these story are made up, and they are not that bad obamacare not the reason. it was not because of obamacare. and you are hanging it on obamacare, what do you say? >> well, senator's comments are a plate ant denial -- blatant denial of the facts. now, just like perhaps. so i can tell this as clearly as possible to your vwers. ne: they are? >> welshe was diagnosed with neuroendo skincancer in 2005. canner of sadly steve jobs died of, main treatment for that disease is drug called sandy on stat en lar . i want to tress very opinion this drug which does not exist in generic form is not novel or experimental it is thehe stand v of care for people with her disc disease, my mother had a plan with blew blue cross blue shield for 20 year, and very happy, she received a letter in october saying that she would be canceled as a direct result of the ada . she researched all of the plans at the time, very carefully. she was assured by humana that plan she bought, i gather is most expensive government approved plan in the state of virginia, she was assured it would cover her at 100% after deductible, enrollment agents did not have access to details on the plan, you said you have to buy i to find out for sure what is in it she was 100% assured it. fast forward to two weeks ago herrin surer told her they you uld cot be covering that medication after all. bottom line, she had a plan that worked wonderfully, and now she does not, either way the president lied, he said she cod keep her health plan. people should not be forced into plans they do not want. neil: i hope she comes along ts better, steven thank you very much. >> thank you neil. neil: now it is easy to come back at say insurance companies and blame them, high mark health insurance c said this would be wrong, what happens they go back to insurance companies you say? >> neil, nice to be with you. unfortunate situation that got described there, my heart goes out to that geneman and his mothther, one of the real issues that cuts across ts story and many other that issue o affordability. and care f medine, medical care is become unafor an there are aspects of this law that don't help that there are things that we can do, right here at high mark we took action last week, very relevant to this story, we decided to close a loophole, for cancer drugs. and as you may or may not know cancer drugs administers in the hospital today are paid 3 or 5 time z as expensive as same drug in the doctor's office. no different in patient orrug, no difference in care, we said that is ridiculous, we'll close that loophole,ennounce a policy it will save our subscribers, the employers and individuals $20 million a year. neil: bill, t be clear, this idea that the affordable care act will mean all preexisting conditions are coved, all drugs to treat those conditions, that you are not going to pay more as a rult, is at best unrealistic? >> is not about having just broad covere, it is 'cost of medical care that drives up the cost of that coverage, and whether it is premium you pay or increasing he the ct sharing, that deductible, copayments, those are substantial in many of thelans, inappropriate there should be cost sharing, but what you apply that against really expense of things like cancer drugs,hat can cost and one example that we had here, 13,000 dollars for a single treatment. and it was at one hospital system in this area as opposed to for example, aohns hopkins that statemen treatment, same drug was $2,005. that needs to be changed. we can do that. neil: bill thank you very much for clarifying a lot of that, i don't like where this is going. >> it you hear the one about the kid suin suing her parents for throwing her out of the house, not paying tuition or college tuition, shea are within th mine was earned in korea in 1953. afghanistan, in 2009. orbiting the moon in 1971. [ male announcer ] once it's earned, usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protecon. and because usaa'commitment to serve current and former milary members andheir families is without equal. begin your legacy. get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. neil: in tonight's let me be brief, 18 and out of the house, out of luck, a morristown, new jersey stupe i student is suing her parents they have cut the apron string. she claims they you this her out of the house, threw her out of the house, she is on h own, the parents said she did not abide by rules, does she have a case? kelly, you would tell rahel tough luck? >> absolutely, i think per parents might have an obligation to continue paying for her high school education becse they had a contract with the school but college, no way. that is n a guaranteed right, her parents don't have an obligation, and if she wants to live under her roof, and not listen to her rules, i think she is out of luck. >> when you bring a child into is world, you raise them through good and b. neil: 18 they are adults. >> well, actually not really, not in new jersey because there is a law that says, if you are 18 years old, you are enrolled in college, have you legal right to go to court are rebut presumption you are not a child any more, and you know at en of the days a teen ager you have a boyfriend that mommy and caddie don't like 92 tell me about it. it. >> you should gne offall people. -- you suld know of all people, but you don't punish your child by ge priving them. neil: yes you can, my daughter has seen guys that of the missing link, but i digress. my points on this. girl suing her parents to get what she wants, does that feed this narrative she is pushy, greedy. >> entitled? absolutely, she is not willing to listen to their rules, she lived with the friend's familyy@ she worked with the dad of the friend who is a lawyer, she has lel bills and no money to pay that, she is not being accountable if her house, she as hey problem of affluent za. if she is enrolled in college they might have obligation, she is not, she is still in high school. neil: we don't know she is a br. but i live in the area, i know this school, it is a pricey school, the high school is closing in at $7,000. so, parents have stopped paying that in interim. but you are argue they should pay that? >> i think so. >> i think so. >> i think that public policy to beoncourage kids to get an education, she should get a job, she is a honor student, a smart girl but working at college bookstore is not paying a college tuition, she is not getting financial aid because of her partner's income. she is saying pay for my colge tuition, let me better myself. neil: why do the parents have to pay for her college tuition, but i know a lot of kids including myself, you take out college loans, you do what you have to do. but i don't think it should be given that you parents automatically are saddled with that. >> and -- if she does not can to college, where does that leave her, society will have to take care of her. neil: come on, come on. >> wh what kind of policy, my parents have money they set aside a colge fund, court would say too bad. >> what kind of policy does in send when children sue their parents. neil: we're talking, we'll see what happens, i think that cooler heads should prevail, maybe they will. in the meantime, kid, you better watch how you are to your parents. neil: the selfy tweeted around the orld, how this made twitter look like a bunch of twits. th is the quicksilver cash back card from capitalne. it's not the "juggle a bunch of rotating categories" card. it's not the "sign up for wards each quarter" card. it's the no-games, no-messing-'round, no-earning-limit-having, do-i-look-like-i'm-joking, turbo-boosting, heavyweight-champion- of-the-world cash back card. thiss the quicksilver cash back card from capital one. unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere, every single day. now tell me, what's in your wallet? 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>> yes. i am hard pressed to find any other ceo coof a company saying, if youop like what we're doing, sell the stock, for him to do this, and what on the arrogant side. someone by the name of jobs would never do that. >> mike, youking argue if you like green and technology show us how you like green doing it, what do you think? >> agree with both sides companies like apple who are profitable with monster margins should leaded way on innovative technology, he is the shareholder and protect or of stock holders but he is trying to find the next new technology like apple has done lover last 20 years -- don over the last 20 years. neil: a new technology or a cause? if he is pushing new technology that is one thing but to make social statement, ewing that technology that might or might not benefit shareholders but tell them if you d't like it lump it that is a bit more, isn't it. >> it is, we're all making assumption he is being arrogant, it came off that way. but i think apple keep a lot of their technolog under the cup until this is ady to roll, i lot could be said for a lot of new tech companies today. >> neil there is no upside to what he said, only dow side, i there is one shareholder who sold their stock that is a good thing,opefully he learns a lesson from this and zips lip neil: everyone talking aut how this oscar selfy went viral, it knocked twitter out, 20 minutes during oscars, that theanger of being on internet, on your golden moment, if this is not first time, the tng goes cablewy does not make you look good. >> with the new technology, this is a mechanical device like a ca or a airplane,onderful as it is. there is going to be issues it is going to break down, the social media stuff gets information to so many people so quickly, it is mind boggling, the fact that it runs as well as it does, is a testament to our technolo 92 w. neil: we suldccept warts and all? >> it is part of the process, twitter is huge, i gather they did not expect or the technology did not expect what they got,tious what happened. for the stock for the company, if it happens too many times it will affec things, but there is more noise on good end for twitter than dn side. neil: any comments on selfies, years ago we just said awkwardly trying to take a picture of your, like went i -- on vacation, i am wondering is this whol technology out of hand, is to just the way the world is. >> i think the way that world is, i think selfiesnd concept of going viral is amazing, think about it we can use social media technology not onlyor things like selfers, the oscars or over. but i think from a political perspective, we can use sial media to get word ut to population, get an instant feedback loop, to where people stand on different issues, they can get information from public withinours, i think that down side, it may put college polls out of business. neil: that is a good pnts, gary. what do you make of the selfy fixing a? they are leveraging off of it . >> selfy is a popular, they are here to stay, started with celebrity, now everyone else, hopefully you take normal selfies, not abnormal. but as far as whole social thing, it is just begun, company are aking huge advantage ofuge advertising for be going to forward, i think we're at the beginning. neil: i think if you are a big star, and you have to take a selfy that demeans you as a star, pple should be taking pictures of you. meanwhile, thank you very much for putting some of this in perspective. what is deal with this what's deal e-mail and tweet, i am letting you in on a little question, if superman and batman got in a fight, who do you think would win? my answer. it's a no brainer, i ♪ no two people have the same financial goals. pnc investments works with you to understand yours and helps plan for your retirement. talk to a pnc investments financial advisor day. ♪ coach calls her a team player. she's kind of scial. she makes the whole team better. h's the kind of player that puts the puck, horsehide, bullet. right where it needs to be. coach calls it logistics. he's a great passer. dependable. a winning team has to have one. somebody you can count on. somebody like my dad. this is my dad. somebody like my mom. my grandfather. i'm very pround of him. her. them. iwe don't back down. we only know one direction: up so we're up early. up late. thinking u game-changing ideas, like this: dozens of tax free zones across new york state. move here. dozenor start a newzones acrbusiness here...te. and pay no taxes for 10 years. with new jobs, new opportunities and a new tax free plan. there's only one way for your business to go. up. find out if your business can qualify at start-upny.com neil: taking the nation by storm, tv host entertaining any and all questions, you ask, i answer, any question, business question, personal question, you got something you want to get off your chest, thump it on mine, we call it, what's the deal neil, what is the deal with lovely women on the show, quit the ladies looking like bimbos, all right. noted. >> and we really like your news segment. thank you, i like you and dough. a lot. mark, i like how you put people on the spot because you look like a wuss, then bam, you let them have it. whatever keeps you watching mark. and hey, neil, what do you do on st. paddy's day, i drink, quite early, and are you and your panel on steroids or speed? are all talk or moving around like you are on something, we're so into what we do, our own private dna drug. and what deal with talking about money? condition you talk about something else? no. and heather. why do you folks up north always talk about the weather. it has not bp very nice. buster, cavuto, the deal with our ad, you look stupid, and things come out of your mouth are stupid. did you know that? no. but did you know that epeople who e-mail completion that, prove they are more stupid. and hey, neil, kenny roger, and rod stewart have scratchy voices, try sings to your haters, and you are not as ugly as willie nelson. >> and i think that you are the most hand some guy at fox, a lovv a guy that will speak his mind, to hell with these twits. >> and making one of my favorite people on fox, god bless. on this very same subject, in chicago, i heard about being built for comfort, you seem built for a nuclear winner, your thoughts in thoughtless. >> eleanor, i like big men, i'll leave it at that, and i like women who like you like big men, i'll leave it at that, did you know you still look hand some as ever. i knew that and kevin, wants to know why i bash so many republicans, let us win in november, things will change, they won't change kevin, if republicans coasting on their principle toes play politics, you might as well pack up your 10 tent. i can't stan it, stake a stand. michelle, neil, did you see the oscar selfy? i think you should to a cavuto show, selfy. you think? no, i think it sounds stupid. and why do you believe in fracking when there is wind, and solar, i believe in all of them, helping us get to points where we don't need to rely on middle east, and some of those nuts, at all. philadelphia, when do you believe the world will end? at the same points my show goes off the air, tommy said he 10 years old, if superman and batman got in a fight who would win? superman, tommy, batman just has that damn belt and nothing else. cliff in detroit, i chose you, can you explain your significance so i can explain you to my class. i have single handed he change financial reporting as we know it and the world is a better place for it, try that. you will get anyy a, you can keep the e-mails and tweets coming, we want to hear you from. what's the deal neil. your chance to really ask any question you want. as long as you are within bounds issue these weight questions are getting silly, camera does add 50 pounds, you are wasting your time. it is a joke. see you tomorrow. kennedy: are you in the mood for an intervention? the prevailing wisdom seems to be no. at least with the ukraine, stay out of this. difference is between right and left. as how we should best respond, very subtle. we could actually have an elevated national discussion about crimea, you might agree with your come an adversary's about russia's over react, and how we got here, and what to do about putin, people are fighting for their freedom, and paying with their lives, that does not mean we need to sacrifice american lives watching russia

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maybe let vladimir putin die on his own vine. maybe let him fall on his own sword because the world clearly is not buying his bullying for now and here is the kicker. his own russian market..@ maybe because it has no plans to attack you create military units today. >> this is a very fluid situation and it's very difficult to go after specific things that can be done. you have to be more of a broad situation and you stand back and let it happen and let it develop and see if it implodes on its own. we can certainly send secretary john kerry, as if being done, from the president of ukraine as well. suspend him from the g-8. because it's really about finances and russia. they are very concerned about their financial stability and their financial measures that the 28 nato nations in the eu and the united states can be very effective. neil: i always think that they have weight of these issues and threat to the letter. and i think that he is now doing so as well. oil prices are skyrocketing in a currency that keeps me going. and it will keep me going. the more volatile and make this come in the more the oil prices go up in the world. so that is a win-win for me, no matter what's happening in my market or currency. >> i think that as a result of the olympics, the world had a pretty good impression of not only him but russia and he is self emboldened and the presidents of bolivia and foreign-policy and other situations here with benghazi and obamacare, it's just a credibility issue. so he's going to continue to do what he wants to do regardless. but i think that they are relying on currency and it's not just about oil, but it's also about being a good real partner in having the respect from the european union members as well as the nato members. so it's going to play out a little bit more of it have any definite ideas where it ultimately will fall. neil: meanwhile, a retired army general said this is not something to take lightly. the general astronomy now on the phone. the fact of the matter is that sometimes with these crises, and you know better than i, things can get out of hand fast. >> absolutely. the analogy that i use is hitler's germany. history doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme. what the oversight treaty was to hitler, what was soviet union is to vladimir putin. he turned it into a dictatorship and that's what he did. he used the violated german minorities in central europe and places like czechoslovakia and that is exactly what putin is doing today and there's nothing new under the sun here. latimer hooton. neil: he must know it that even as crazy as it can be, then it matters to have that currency going. and you would think they would try to leverage all of that. >> i disagree completely. this is russia. and the russians have a 2000 year old history of either being at your knees or at your throat and this is visceral and the main audience is and nato, it's the russian people. and the russian people are loving this and it's almost like it's docked world war ii again. neil: we've been reading a lot of this press. they do like that. but i am reminded what mitt romney was talking about with russia. so have a listen. >> romney was right. >> he was. he was absolutely right. and you might also note that not only did the president dismissed romney, but the vast majority of the media actually made parodies out of what mitt romney said. and that is precisely what happens today and it seems to crumble around the world, bad guys stepping in and filling that gap. this has been going on for 4000 years. there's nothing about conditions today that are any different. >> general, it's good to talk to you again. thank you, my friend. meanwhile, back on the hill, pleading the fifth. is it me or the way that the irs is dragging out the targeting investigation, it makes you want to drink a fifth? 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>> i come from a family of teachers. teachers in public schools. my mother and my grandmother. what she is saying is that children are crying, the parents are saying that they would rather homeschool their children now, those who are in charter schools and they are saying that if our kids are going to be taken out of the charter schools, we'd rather homeschool them, put them back in failing public schools where they are not learning to read or math or science. great rates are quadrupling. the performance rates for the kids are getting even better. neil: that is what the teachers union groups are afraid of because the numbers are that stark. >> yes, that is the word on the street. let's see the e-mails between the city council and bill de blasio's office going against the charter school. because this is being painted as a blood vendetta between bill de blasio. the e-mails need to be shown to the public on how they are using their personal city council committee to go after the charter schools. >> but then they won't survive, well they? >> it is less than 10% of the kids right now. why not give them a chance? the charter schools are successful. >> it's a very good point. in the meantime, ralph nader saying if she were to run, woul@ you back or not we've set up whole two-party system? >> we need freshes and fresh experience. >> what he was talking about is that it opened or run for office. that is the first thing that ralph nader ever said that i agree with. one more and jim clinton takes credit for surplus. he people forget it was the republicans who control the house and the senate. basically i like alternators idea. >> yes, we have been talking about this. so what about political monopolies, we have the same politicians who have taxes for funding, time and again come back into office. we have talked about this since the nixon administration. they have been around since the reagan and the nation. so why is there a political monopoly and where is the third independent party voice. we don't have that yet in the united states and it's costing us. >> what why do they all have to be politicians? what is wrong with going out out of that one. neil: in the meantime, finally a crazy tweet from one of our followers. my older sister regina told me when i was little, i was six or seven years old, and they punched a 12-year-old in the days and he was booing her. >> yes, i read tweet. i had no idea i did this. it was on my stuff, it had been bullying her and pulling her hair for quite some time. thing you should punch people in the faith, i just couldn't take her from being bullied, i had no idea where it he told me about it. >> sion was the end result that she was happy about equipment imagine was very happy about it. she's dead where my brothers mama brothers were there to help me. and so for once i felt good that i did something. and that's what she was saying. neil: this hash tags.com what does that mean? >> i don't know. ralph can tell you. he's the producer. >> identifying it as a thing that in this case will be a part of it. >> i'm told that's what it does. as we get all this stuff and like-minded e-mails. neil: he went to congress and u.n. here enact. >> yes. neil: back to the gm recall delay. the company knew that they had a serious ignition problem. yet they did nothing and said nothing and you guys all stopped talking about it. still another. since the recall notices him and makes me even more glad that i just bought a nongovernment sport. gm, what took you so long? >> meanwhile, this has got to stop. >> plenty of stories and republicans to grab headlines with lots of advertisements. >> my next guess would like to digress. his mother was kicked off of the plan due to obamacare and now can't get what she desperately needs. the story you're not hearing but you should coming up next ♪ [ male announcer ] how could a lumins protein in jellyfish, impact life expectancy in the u.s., real estate in hong kong, and the optics industry in germany? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global ecomy. it's just one reon over 75% of our mutual funds be their 10-year lipper average. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment infmation, risks, fees and eenses to read anconsider carefully before investing. a short word that's a tall order. up your game. up the ante. and if you stumble, you get back up. up isn't easy, and we ought to know. we're in the business of up. everyday delta flies a quarter of million people while investing billions improving everything from booking to baggage claim. we're raising the bar on flying and tomorrow we will up it yet again. neil: enter steven blackwood he has seen first hand how this health care law has become for his mom, who is battling cancer, and lost coverage due to opponent care. as of this morning something mirror act housely changed? >> well, as of this morning, i received a telephone call saying they they were going to cover her for the next year, we have not received that in writing yet, if i say is drawing a larger problem it takes a op-ed, on a national newspaper, phone calls, just to get one drug covered for one year, how do we know that system is going to work well for those who don't get that kind of attention. neil: how many others who didn't have the access you did, and push you did, to get your grief published and seen on tv, how many are feeling brunt of this? >> you know all i'm trying to do speak up for what is happening to my mom, she and people like her, can gene access to the -- can gain access to the care they need. >> argument is that, harry reid argued and nancy pelosi has a lot of these story are made up, and they are not that bad obamacare not the reason. it was not because of obamacare. and you are hanging it on obamacare, what do you say? >> well, senator's comments are a plate ant denial -- blatant denial of the facts. now, i just like perhaps. so i can tell this as clearly as possible to your viewers. neil: they are? >> well she was diagnosed with neuroendo skincancer in 2005. canner of sadly steve jobs died of, main treatment for that disease is a drug called sandy on stat en lar . i want to tress very opinion this drug which does not exist in generic form is not novel or experimental it is the stand av of care for people with her disced disease, my mother had a plan with blew blue cross blue shield for 20 year, and very happy, she received a letter in october saying that she would be canceled as a direct result of the ada . she researched all of the plans at the time, very carefully. she was assured by humana that plan she bought, i gather is most expensive government approved plan in the state of virginia, she was assured it would cover her at 100% after deductible, enrollment agents did not have access to details on the plan, you said you have to buy it to find out for sure what is in it she was 100% assured it. fast forward to two weeks ago herrin surer told her they you would cot be covering that medication after all. bottom line, she had a plan that worked wonderfully, and now she does not, either way the president lied, he said she could keep her health plan. people should not be forced into plans they do not want. neil: i hope she comes along gets better, steven thank you very much. >> thank you neil. neil: now it is easy to come back at say insurance companies and blame them, high mark health insurance ceo said this would be wrong, what happens they go back to insurance companies you say? >> neil, nice to be with you. unfortunate situation that got described there, my heart goes out to that gentleman and his mother, one of the real issues that cuts across this story and many others, that issue of affordability. and care for medicine, medical care is become unafor an there are aspects of this law that don't help that there are things that we can do, right here at high mark we took action last week, very relevant to this story, we decided to close a loophole, for cancer drugs. and as you may or may not know cancer drugs administers in the hospital today are paid 3 or 5 time z as expensive as same drug in the doctor's office. no different in patient or drug, no difference in care, we said that is ridiculous, we'll close that loophole, we announce a policy it will save our subscribers, the employers and individuals $200 million a year. neil: bill, to be clear, this idea that the affordable care act will mean all preexisting conditions are covered, all drugs to treat those conditions, that you are not going to pay more as a result, is at best unrealistic? >> is not about having just broad coverage, it is 'cost of medical care that drives up the cost of that coverage, and whether it is premium you pay or increasing he the cost sharing, that deductible, copayments, those are substantial in many of the plans, inappropriate there should be cost sharing, but what you apply that against really expense of things like cancer drugs, that can cost and one example that we had here, 13,000 dollars for a single treatment. and it was at one hospital system in this area as opposed to for example, a johns hopkins that statement treatment, same drug was $2,005. that needs to be changed. we can do that. neil: bill thank you very much for clarifying a lot of that, i don't like where this is going. >> it you hear the one about the kid suin suing her parents for throwing her out of the house, not paying or school tuition or college tuition, shea are within their rights, are they? it is not that simple. i ys say be thman with the plan t wi less ergy, moodiness, i had to do something. i saw mdoctor. a blood test showed it wasas low testosterone, not age. weal that can restorethe onlt vels to normalnt in about two weeks in most men. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18 or men with prostate or breast cancer. women, especlly those who are or who may become pregnant, and children should avoidt where axirons applied as unexpectesigns of puberty in children or changes in body hair or incased acne in women may occur. report these symptoms to your doctor. tell your doctorbout all medical conditions and medications. serious side effects could include increased sk o prostate cancer, worsening prostate symptoms, decreased sperm count, ankle, feet or body swelling, enlarged or painful breasts, problems breathing while sleeping and blood clots in the legs. common side effects include skin redness or irritation where applied, increased red blood cell count, common side effects include skin redness headache, diarrhea, vomiting, and increase in psa. ask your doctor abt axiron. we only knowne direction: so we're up early. up late. like this: up game-changing ideas, dozens of tax free zones across new york state. move here.xpand here. or start a new business here... and pay no taxes for 10 years. with new jobs, new opportunities and a new tax free plan. there's on one way for your busins to go. up. find out if your business can qualify at start-upny.com neil: in tonight's let me be brief, 18 and out of the house, out of luck, a morristown, new jersey stupe i student is suing her parents they have cut the apron string. she claims they you this her out of the house, threw her out of the house, she is on her own, the parents said she did not abide by rules, does she have a case? kelly, you would tell rachel tough luck? >> absolutely, i think per parents might have an obligation to continue paying for her high school education because they had a contract with the school but college, no way. that is not a guaranteed right, her parents don't have an obligation, and if she wants to live under her roof, and not listen to her rules, i think she is out of luck. >> when you bring a child into this world, you raise them through good and bad. neil: 18 they are adults. >> well, actually not really, not in new jersey because there is a law that says, if you are 18 years old, you are enrolled in college, have you legal right to go to court are rebut presumption you are not a child any more, and you know at en of the day as a teen ager you have a boyfriend that mommy and caddie don't like 92 tell me about it. it. >> you should gone offall people. -- you should know of all people, but you don't punish your child by ge priving them. neil: yes you can, my daughter has seen guys that of the missing link, but i digress. my points on this. girl suing her parents to get what she wants, does that feed this narrative she is pushy, greedy. >> entitled? absolutely, she is not willing to listen to their rules, she lived with the friend's familyy@ she worked with the dad of the friend who is a lawyer, she has legal bills and no money to pay that, she is not being accountable if her house, she as hey problem of affluent za. if she is enrolled in college they might have a obligation, she is not, she is still in high school. neil: we don't know she is a brat. but i live in the area, i know this school, it is a pricey school, the high school is closing in at $7,000. so, parents have stopped paying that in interim. but you are argue they should pay that? >> i think so. >> i think so. >> i think that public policy to be to encourage kids to get an education, she should get a job, she is a honor student, a smart girl but working at college bookstore is not paying a college tuition, she is not getting financial aid because of her partner's income. she is saying pay for my college tuition, let me better myself. neil: why do the parents have to pay for her college tuition, but i know a lot of kids including myself, you take out college loans, you do what you have to do. but i don't think it should be given that your parents automatically are saddled with that. >> and -- if she does not can to college, where does that leave her, society will have to take care of her. neil: come on, come on. >> wh what kind of policy, my parents have money, they set aside a college fund, court would say too bad. >> what kind of policy does in send when children sue their parents. neil: we're talking, we'll see what happens, i think that cooler heads should prevail, maybe they will. in the meantime, kid, you better watch how you are to your parents. neil: the selfy tweeted around the orld, how this made a twitter look like a bunch of twits. there's this kid. coach calls her a team player. she's kind of special. she makes thwhole team better. he's the kind of player that puts the puck, horsehide, bullet. right where it needs to be. coach calls it logistics. he's a great passer. dependable. a winning team has to have one. somebody you can count on. somebody like my dad. this is my dad. somebody like my mom. my grandfather. i'm very pround of him. her. them. neil: tim cook about to be cooked, shareholders pushing back, apple ceo pushing company cash to go 2 disbree 2 -- into green investments, saying, if you want me to do things for return on investment reasons you should get out of this stock. is the right move? garick and michael, i'm trying to give him every benefit of the doubt, i am an apple shareholder i have been for decade, trying to think maybe he is saying look at what i to in bigger picture, and what i do in bigger picture, and company social commitment is part of that, but i got a little annoyed saying we should not judge how he spends that money, as shire holders we should -- as shares holders we should,tion we? >> yes. i am hard pressed to find any other ceo coof a company saying, if you dop like what we're doing, sell the stock, for him to do this, and what on the arrogant side. someone by the name of jobs would never do that. >> mike, youking argue if you like green and technology show us how you like green doing it, what do you think? >> i agree with both sides companies like apple who are profitable with monster margins should leaded way on innovative technology, he is the shareholder and protect or of stock holders but he is trying to find the next new technology like apple has done lover last 20 years -- don over the last 20 years. neil: a new technology or a cause? if he is pushing new technology that is one thing but to make a social statement, ewing that technology that might or might not benefit shareholders but tell them if you don't like it lump it that is a bit more, isn't it. >> it is, we're all making assumption he is being arrogant, it came off that way. but i think apple keep a lot of their technolog under the cup until this is ready to roll, i lot could be said for a lot of new tech companies today. >> neil there is no upside to what he said, only down side, if there is one shareholder who sold their stock that is a good thing, hopefully he learns a lesson from this and zips lip. neil: everyone talking about how this oscar selfy went viral, it knocked twitter out, 20 minutes during oscars, that the danger of being on internet, on your golden moment, if this is not first time, the thing goes cablewy does not make you look good. >> with the new technology, this is a mechanical device like a car or a airplane, wonderful as it is. there is going to be issues it is going to break down, the social media stuff gets information to so many people so quickly, it is mind boggling, the fact that it runs as well as it does, is a testament to our technology 92 w. neil: we should accept warts and all? >> it is part of the process, twitter is huge, i gather they did not expect or the technology did not expect what they got,tious what happened. for the stock for the company, if it happens too many times it will affect things, but there is more noise on good end for twitter than down side. neil: any comments on selfies, years ago we just said awkwardly trying to take a picture of your, like went i -- on vacation, i am wondering is this whole technology out of hand, is to just the way the world is. >> i think the way that world is, i think selfies and concept of going viral is amazing, think about it we can use social media technology not only for things like selfers, the oscars or over. but i think from a political perspective, we can use social media to get word ut to population, get an instant feedback loop, to where people stand on different issues, they can get information from public within hours, i think that down side, it may put college polls out of business. neil: that is a good points, gary. what do you make of the selfy fixing a? they are leveraging off of it in. >> selfy is a popular, they are here to stay, started with celebrity, now everyone else, hopefully you take normal selfies, not abnormal. but as far as whole social thing, it is just begun, company are aking huge advantage ofuge advertising for be going to forward, i think we're at the beginning. neil: i think if you are a big star, and you have to take a selfy that demeans you as a star, people should be taking pictures of you. meanwhile, thank you very much for putting some of this in perspective. what is deal with this what's deal e-mail and tweet, i am letting you in on a little question, if superman and batman got in a fight, who do you think would win? my answer. it's a no brainer, i know, coming up next. 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is cnn politics exterior, mark preston, and jeffrey lord, and curt eikenwahl, author of "500 days, secrets and lies in the terror wars." he says 500 days. 55 days. >> that's it. >> 55 more days. mark, i want to start with these brand-n brand-new polls from the battleground states. donald trump is ahead in florida three points and donald trump is five points ahead of hillary clinton. good news for trump, what do these numbers say about the electoral map and getting to the road to 270? >> 55 days left and this is a trend we've seen in the last couple of weeks. hillary clinton came out of the convention eight points up national nationally. we had a cnn poll that showed that had e vap waited and of course that is lagging in the state polls. specifically in florida and ohio, first of all for voters that are under 45 years old, these are supposed to be clinton voters in the state of ohio, it's a wash right now. that is not good for her. in the state of florida, she's only up six points. let's take a step back though. the fact is if the election were held today, she would still win. she does not need to win florida and ohio and the reason being is democrats have done well in the states out west. >> okay. so she's expected to be back on the campaign trail tomorrow, of course she suffered this bout and is still suffering with pneumonia. she released new medical information today. is it fair to say we now have more information on hillary clinton as a -- you know in regards to medical records and taxes than we do on donald trump? >> we do until we see what -- what donald trump releases tomorrow. but look, the bottom line is neither candidate is expected to meet the mccain standards certainly on health records. we're -- you know this prison of war who had cancer, allowed reporters in and including s sanjay gupta to look at the history, neither candidate is willing to do that and i don't think we're going to ever see donald trump's taxes. >> we have decades of clinton taxes. we have her more detailed records. is the pressure on for donald trump to meet that standard? we have 0 of his taxes. >> and i keep saying i don't think he should release them. i think at this point every president of the united states up until richard nixon didn't release taxes, not that george washington had to deal with income tax. >> a long time ago. are you saying something about me, don? >> yes, the world is a different place. there was no internet and cell phone. phones had dials back then. there were cords. >> i -- i just think that what we've got here is this has turned into a political gotcha game for all the candidates. release your taxes and we're going to focus on one thing over here and we're going to make the most of this and run for it. i don't think it serves any purpose anymore. i couldn't -- >> you have -- you want hillary clinton to release or medical records? >> the medical records may be a little bit different. in all candor, i don't think releasing medical records will be anywhere graphic near the photos of her incident. >> curt, i've been wanting to talk to you. everyone is arguing for your cover for "newsweek," and its ties to foreign businesses and governments. you said u.s. foreign policy is at risk and if trump is elected we could see legal bribery of an american president. tell us what americans should be most concerned about? >> i want to start off by pointing out -- this goes right to the heart of what jeffrey lord is talking about, is let's keep things secret. we don't need to tell you, here's some of the stuff that we would see in donald trump's taxes, that people are not aware of. there is money that is coming to mr. trump through a series of hundreds of partnerships, many of them that have partners overseas, partners who are not disclosed. i had i had to work to find each of these people, each of these organizations in 15 countries and these partners have interest that often run directly contrary to the national security interest of the united states. so the result of donald trump not showing his taxes, more important, donald trump not showing who his partners are, is the american people are going to have to stand back with a man we don't know about his health, we don't know about his finances, we don't know about his business, and he's just going to say, trust me, i won't act in my financial interest even though it conflicts with national security interest of the united states. >> jeffrey, is that what he's hiding, these foreign connections? is that why he won't release his tax returns? >> you have seen the taxes jeffrey. >> no, i haven't seen the taxes. >> then how do you know what he's hiding. >> we have heard other political families, the kennedys. >> the kennedys did not operate a private company while they were -- while john kennedy -- he did not operate a private company while he was united states. >> the kennedys fueled their enterprises -- their political enterprises with money from the merchandise mart in chicago. >> so what? >> so what? we're talking about a man that's president of the united states with overseas -- >> curt if you're going to go in the conflict of interest root then the kennedys had plenty of them. i worked for late senator john heinz. all over the world, the whole heinz food thing, which he personally profited from, are you saying that my -- that john heinz had a conflict of interest? >> go ahead, curt? >> was john kennedy getting paid money by the political figures, by -- for example, let's take aseh bajan the son of the minister, a senior government official, is a donald trump partner. that senior government official, american intelligence believes that he's been engaged in laundering money for the iranian military. did john kennedy do that? is donald trump going to act in the interest of the partner or is he going to act in the interest of the united states? >> no one accused john kennedy of this because they didn't care in those days. under the kind of rules you're playing -- >> jeffrey, you're simply lying. >> -- playing are right now, john kennedy would not have been able to be elected president. >> it's a different world now. there are different standards. there was no e-mail to hack back then. >> what was the standard? >> the american people set the standard. >> it's beyond that. he's trying to obviscate what's going on here. this is nothing in the kennedy experience that is anything like what would bey talking about here. donald trump has partners all over the world through the trump organization. they're not disclosing them. i found a bunch of them. they're in my reported newsweek, you can see what their conflicts are and john kennedy didn't have anything like this going on. no president in history has had -- let's not start talking about the clintons. let's stay on top. >> the clinton to you, jeffrey is -- >> there has never been a president in the history of the united states, who has had these kinds of conflicts of interest. >> okay, so then -- >> and we can address the actual topic or we can play the clint n clintons kennedys, i'm rubber and you're glue, we ask start discussing reality. >> jeffrey, would you have wanted the kennedys to reveal the sort of information so the public could make their own assessment, that is the question? >> i don't think it was relevant then rjs then. he got through the kennedy administration. i don't think it was relevant. >> you don't think it's relevant? >> what we're saying is if you're a billionaire with a global concern going, you should never be president of the united states, that's what we're saying. >> you're absolutely wrong. you can can be president of the united states just like anybody else but you have to decide, is your family going to be in business or they're going to be -- or are you going to be president? are you going to set up a system where you can be paid by russian oligarks, or are you going to be president of the united states? donald trump can be president of the united states or his family can have an ownership in the trump organization. if they want to sever that relationship and end that conflict of interest, i have no concerns. if they want to try and do both, which is exactly what they're saying they're going to do, donald trump is talking about in nonsense of putting the trump organization in a blind trust managed by his children. a blind trust is supposed to be independent and it's supposed to be a portfolio of investments. we'll all know it's in the blind trust. >> remarkable. >> it's the trump organization. >> what are they saying? >> if he wants to sever their relationship, we're done. no problems. if he doesn't, big problems. >> what donald trump has said over and over again has offered very few details but has said, that he would take a step back, his three children, his four children i suppose, would be -- would oversee the corporation as we know it right now. the problem can the corporation is we don't really know how it's all set up. it's not set up as one big corporation, it's set up as multiple, multiple, multiple. >> aren't these the same people who should say the clinton organization should be shut down? >> interestingly, yes. >> they don't think it should be handled differently, isn't that a double standard? >> the clinton foundation problems stem from her time as secretary in state. she was holding an office. >> this is completely different. we're talking about the difference between people giving money to a charity -- >> she was playing a role -- >> i can please finish? we're talking about a person -- we're talking about an entity that receives money and spends 90% of that money on charitable efforts. these are not comparable. this is a partnership with donald trump with the money going into the pockets of the trump family. >> where do you think these speech invitations came from? >> it's going from donald trump's new limousine. >> i -- i mean look, i don't know -- donald trump's wealth is so well established out there. he's been a public figure for heaven's sake for 40, 50 years, whatever it is. this is silly. no one is going to buy into this unless -- unless -- >> what's the to hide? >> unless you are a die-hard hillary supporter and you are. >> i don't support either of them because that's not my role, but the american public deserves to know about who is running for president, the person they're going to choose. >> but he's not going to be running his company when he's president of the united states. >> it doesn't matter. he will still be a beneficiary, and so will his children. >> so again let me say, so was my boss, john heinz, the heir to the heinz kastup fortune. he was the united states senator getting money from all over the world from heinz global enterprises. >> we're talking about a public company versus a private enterprise with secret partners all over the world who are in government. read the piece, jeffrey, because you clearly haven't. >> i have it right here. here it is right here. thank you very much, everyone. >> then why are you pretending it says things it doesn't. thank you, all. when we come back, one washington's insider's opinions from donald trump and hillary clinton's revelations from colin powe powell's leaked e-mails. what if a company that didn't make cars made plastics that make them lighter? 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colin powell, his personal e-mai e-mails hacked on line, calling donald trump a national disgrace and blasting hillary clinton for hubris. the author of "security mom," and good to have you, kevin, you first. before we dig into the content of these e-mails i want to ask you about the impact in general on this election, because it's totally unchartered territory. >> it is, and a lot of people are looking at this election and seeing -- there's many new things that have happened in this election. i think this is one of them. but it also brings into play, the idea there are outside forces at work in this election. so many americans believed our demmo democracy was more secure around the world and now because we sey in farous actors outside of the united states having an impact on that, many people are i think paying closer attention to some of the news incidents and some of the reports about these hackers around the world who may be trying to effect the election. >> colin powell endorsed barack obama over mitt romney and said i would rather not have to vote for her, meaning hillary clinton, although she is a friend i respect, saying everything she touches she kind of sexual abu screws up with hubris of the there are many republicans who feel the same way, right? >> yeah, i think anybody who is reading the actual content of the e-mails, i think i'd be surprised anybody would be surprised. the national security and foreign policy, community has been very harsh, and it's descriptions and assessments of donald trump and what he said during this campaign, so i think that is -- i think that it's come to light is actually news, but it doesn't surprise me that colin powell would hold an assessment that is by and large by many inside the national foreign policy community. >> so julia, an exchange between colin powell and condoleezza rice. they supported her sort of the so powell writes benghazi is a stup stupid witch hunt and basic faults fall on a cower ageourag ambassador, but blame also rests on its leaders and supports back here, pack kennedy, intel community, ds, and yes, hrc and condoleezza rice replied "completely agree." is this an accurate assessment by the two former secretaries of state. >> i think it is and it's an accurate description of the independents not the witch hunts reports which was 10:00 a.m. bass door made a sincere assessment of his protection and of his safety and security. he was well-known before benghazi as a sort of out-there diplomat. he was out there meeting with people and the assessment was unfortunately incorrect, but as hillary clinton has said, as the state department has said, the standards for him making that assessment and the standards for how that information flowed from the a.m. bar car out in tmbassa fixed. there's no surprising in this expect he calls all of these hearings and stuff, exactly what they were, witch hunts. i want to say something quickly. he's exactly right. there is something new going on, but there's not an equivalency. rnc, despite what we've heard a couple hours ago was not tracked. the r triple c was not attacked, this is a targeted attack against a party and its leaders so let's not -- there's no equivalency here so we just have to remind people this is an outside likely russian attack on one party. >> okay, kevin, do you want to comment or can we move on? >> i think that's right and i think many people will look at that through a partisan lens. republicans will say it's not untoward and they'll say that the reason that these folks are being hack side because they're not being secure with their information. democrats will say that reason that democratins are being hack side because outside forces are trying to help donald trump and many of the people who have yet to make up their mind, those persuadable swing voters are scratching their heads. >> okay, kevin it's pretty safe to say colin powell does not support donald trump very much because here's what he e-mail -- the e-mail said about donald trump. he's a national disgrace and pariah and tied to general michael flint a right-wing nutty and is a jerk and got canned out of d.i.a. and says the whole birther movement was racist. he's greatly respected by many on -- in both parties. will these opinions sway any voters, kevin? >> i -- i don't think so. and here's why. i think if a -- if someone like colin powell who in the last two campaigns made a very public endorsement and campaigned on behalf of and made public statements in support of candidates, that i think has a very big impact because of his profile as a national security leader. i think because these are filtered through e-mails that he thought were in confidence and have now been -- have now been released because they've been hacked i don't think they'll have the same impact. i think a lot of those opinions that -- i'm sorry that colin powell, general powell held in those e-mails, those are shared by many more public figures, and totally willing to make that case, and in that sense, that public debate where you have other generals, other national security leaders identified with those sentiments, that'll have an effect on some -- on swing voters. >> so colin powell e-mail body hillary clinton, about being drawn into the issues and said hrc could have killed us two years ago by telling everyone what she had done and not tie me into it. i told her staff not to try that gam gamut. i had to throw a men i tantrinit a hampton's part to get their attention. he's saying she's not honest and a lot of people certainly believe that about the e-mails. >> i'm going to go with the fbi director. i'm so -- this is so irrelevant, and even colin powell's assessment, there's debate, of which there's evidence cutting in favor of hillary clinton about what colin powell told her because because other e-mails were leaked that suggested he did tell her, it doesn't -- nin other words there's no case and i have confidence in the fbi director. we can go back to this, but in terms of the safety and security of the -- of america, colin powell, one of the most dem decorated men in our historiy, and the african-american trump is trying to make to the community and what he did in terms of barack obama, in terms of questioning the citizenship that is relevant i think not to the swing voters, kevin was saying but to voters who -- who will look at this including minority voters and say, actually colin powell is someone i do respect not for his military history, but because he's a leader in the african-american community. >> all right, thank you both. i appreciate it. when we come right back, colin powell does not hold back in his assessment of donald trump and hillary clinton, but is he just saying what the rest of america is thinking? 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>> i don't think so. i mean, colin powell did of course serve with great honor but in the past decade, we know that he's endorsed barack obama twice, so his -- he's been leaning left. what i found most revealing, don, in these e-mails and hasn't been brought up yet but is important to discuss is he talked about an incident with senator sheldon whitehouse, a democratic senator from rhode island and remember this was all democrats talking over e-mail, and they mentioned a situation where hillary clinton could barely walk up a podium of steps, so colin powell did have serious concerns over hillary clinton's health. i think that -- i just think that should be out there. >> he said she was working herself to death. he didn't say she was sick. that's -- there is a difference. >> that's correct. no, no, that's correct. i apologize if i -- but sheldon whi whitehouse said quote she could barely climb steps. >> you could say she has an incredible work ethic. it's all how you read it, buddy. >> i don't know, i don't know. >> he didn't say i think she's sick, he said she looks horrible in hd, i read the entire thing and she could barely walk up the steps according to him, and that you know she was working herself to death. >> we all look bad in hd. >> speak for yourself. so a new "washington post"/abc poll, said 60% of americans said trump is bias against women and minorities, that's for you, andy. >> he's not. i mean i worked for him for seven years and he has people of all faiths, of all religions, of all backgrounds, national ethnicity, whatever, women, so he's just not a racist guy. i can see, don, where some people, threw the lens of a third-party, when it keeps getting hammered in, trump is this, or trump is that and of course hillary clinton saying that we're all -- and i guess she's including me into a basket of deplorables, we're all racist, and he said the exact same thing, does he have them figured out like the american people do, you know, feel about him and you said -- >> and look, powell says that and hillary clinton says -- >> 60% of americans -- >> deplore abable racist. i don't know like that poll. >> i would say colin powell probably does have them pegged with how people see these candidates and what i would say if you're going to compare the description of somebody having hubris and being ambitious, and with all due respect, i wonder if hillary clinton would have said that if he were a man, versus calling somebody an international pariah, a national disgrace, and somebody who would put our national security at risk, which is what he was getting to, i think i would prefer a thousand times every single day what he dead hillary clinton, and so while republicans want to dismiss these comments and the way that he feels about these candidates by saying, well, he endorsed barack obama in the last two elections, well, so did the majority of american people. so if he is -- if he has been right in the last two elections, then hopefully he'll be right again, which means that majority of the american people will also then endorse and vote for hillary clinton. >> and by the way, some of the same people who have criticized hillary clinton and have come up with some of the conspiracy theories about her health will come up. we have one step to get up to the set and they have trouble getting up that set themselves. we have to have people, so there you go. bakari, powell endorsed barack obama, but he did not join a number of republican national officials who are rejecting donald trump and endorsing hillary clinton. he has a problem with her whole m.o., right? >> yeah, today when weiner reading these e-mail it's first i felt bad for colin powell, because what you're starting to see is there's some outside influence and meddling, you see the dnc, the dccc, and has this complete destain for donald trump. i felt bad his private thoughts were aired out that way. but man, he threw some in discri discridi discrim innate, and the best records put out, this was some quality material from colin powell. >> let's move on and talk about medical records, shall we? donald trump's medical records. he's a clip from his appearance on dr. oz. >> why not share your medical records? why not -- >> i have no problem in doing it. i have it right here. should i do it? i don't care. should i do it? [ applause ] it's two letters, one is the report and the other is from lennox hill hospital. >> may i see them? >> yeah, sure. >> is this the right answer for transparency on his health records to appear on a daytime talk show? >> i think the only video that's relevant in terms of health in this campaign is the video of hillary clinton collapsing trying to get into that van. >> okay but that wasn't the question. >> yeah. >> do you think that's the appropriate venue? >> there's no question about his health. he's not the one collapsing. >> there is a question, john. >> is she up to the job. >> no, there's not. >> there's. >> there's no former rnc saying -- >> he's 70 years old. he'll be the oldest person as president if he gets elected. the d t >> the dnc needs plans yesterday if hillary clinton cannot fill her job as vice president. and then you have cockokie robe, and -- >> that is completely untrue. >> take it up with kokie roberts and don fowler. >> i absolutely will because i know what the dnc is doing and none of that is happening. i know you like to track in conspiracy theories. >> i think there's something bigger going on here, don. the health records and the whole circus surrounding what he did today -- and i guess what we'll see tomorrow with dr. oz, i think goes to this whole issue of a false equivalency because this is a man who has been the least transpatient rent of any presidential candidate in modern history. y window kntaxes, we talked abo hillary clinton 40 years of taxes, when you can claim the dubious honor of being less transparent therein richard nixon, than amigo, you have a problem. and melania trump's immigration records, there's huge questions there. >> there are no questions there. >> there are lots of questions there. >> actually not. i can walk you through her immigration history. >> he's built a huge wall around these yissues of disclosure. trump supporters love to compare him to ronald reagan, and ask mr. trump tear down this stone wall. >> don, if i could -- and i want to doctor your dr. oz question but i want to fix this melania issue. she's an extremely compassionat. she got a b1-b 2 visa, she became permanent and got a green card because of her extraordinary talent as a model and businesswoman. >> is that someone other than a trump attorney? >> that's her immigration history. >> i worked at the i.n.s. and what she has said and those pieces of disclosure do not add up. i'm sorry. she was not an internationally renowned model. the visa category of extraordinary talent does not apply to her. this was a category that is even called -- >> that's not true. >> -- the einstein category, and as wonderful as she might be, she does not fit into that category. there are huge questions even from what she said, having to go back to slovenia to renew her visa, you don't do that. so there are huge questions resolving here and people need to understand the truth -- >> talk about trafficking and conspiracy theories. >> especially coming from donald trump who has made immigration and enforced the immigration law a huge pillar of his campaign. >> he followed all the rules. you're attacking a future president's wife, outrageous. >> we don't know that. >> i'm smiling at the back and forth. what we're seeing is andy and many other trump supporters are shaking and not having too many answers when they're starting to fend off the many, many, many layers of donald trump's shields going up. the simple fact is we can point -- i like to point to one fact -- i like to point to one fact, which is charitable giving. hillary clinton and jim clinton have given through the bill and hillary foundation, $22.5 million since 2001. donald trump is a very wealthy millionaire. we know he's a millionionary and the fact we can't point to the charitable organizations he's given is a problem. >> i can do it. >> bakari, if i may -- >> these problems go on, and on, and on i've seen the checks. >> the celebrity apprentice. i was the head of trump productions. >> you're the only one. >> celebrity apprentice raised tens of millions of dollars for charity. >> donald trump -- donald trump. >> he was -- he was the executive producer and co-owner of the show. >> andy, from his personal -- >> donald trump, his personal -- >> -- account. what mike peps sance said. >> he's also given through -- okay, bakari -- >> you would solve this investigation that every news investigation network has been doing if you can show us the receipts we'd love to see them. >> show us the receipts. i know who does his tax returns. i can tell you very quickly. >> he's a -- i will tell you hold on, he's a multibillionaire, according to forbes and in his lifetime has given away tens of millions and the trump foundation has given tens of millions. >> there's no record. >> okay, andy -- >> i've got to go to a break, but it would be great -- >> melania is the one person democrats want to deport. >> it would be great if you could show us the receipts. >> tear down this stone wall. >> we'll be right back. >> i've got his tax return in my car. i'll go get it. >> we'll be right back. so now we're introducing verizon lte advanced. with 50% faster peak speeds in more than 450 cities, coast to coast. so don't settle for an unlimited plan with limits. switch now and get our best deal. 20 gigs of limitless data with four lines for only $160. welcome to the next gen network. hey, do you know when the game starts? 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>> i think trump is one of the best counterpunchers i've seen. not the first go on the attack but will destroy his opponent. i look forward to the debates if hillary goes after him, i wish her luck. >> how does she fight back? >> substance and policy. everyone wants to talk about the showman that donald trump is and how he does with audience. fact is donald trump never done this day before in his life. on stage one on one having a debate about substance with professional moderators there. entire world watching. never done it before. hillary clinton has. and added advantage is she's a woman. donald trump has never been on stage with a woman standing toe-to-toe and tell him he's wrong and have more depth on domestic policy than he does. be out of water. i don't think do well in the first one. maybe after. >> except the lady in the church. >> that was telling. >> there's a new poll saying three points ahead in florida. how did trump turn this around? >> stayed on messagement theme to the segment is insult comment. of late sticking to script, talking about policy and what has hillary clinton been doing? triumph the insult comic, basket of deplorables and offscript and suffered because of it. i think donald trump should tin what he's doing. nate silver just flipped and numbers getting better for trump. just keep doing what you're doing. >> there's a new poll showing trump two points ahead in nevada and she was ahead by four in july. she was up there. you were worried people wouldn't realize how close the race could get. are you worried now for different reasons? >> i continue to be worried and hope that the hillary clinton campaign -- i know they're worried. they need to wake up worried and run as if she's ten points behind. i've said this repeatedly. only way to get to the point to make sure hillary clinton is out there the way she's been doing but underscoring message she's the one with the substance, knowledge, experience and steely steadiness and temperament to be commander in chief versus the joke that has become donald trump. but more importantly to make sure that democrats, independents and sane-minded republicans who understand what a danger this man would be anywhere close to the oval wofs his hands on the nuclear codes do everything they can to make sure they get out there and vote and families get out and vote and friends. for the obama coalition, i think this is good because it will mobilize them. and i actually think that the last couple of days have hurt her because she's been off the trail. in terms of actual worry, these polls, i don't buy the florida and nevada, unless you're polling with bilingual pollsters support with latinos is not showing up and case with minorities as well. but is getting closer. >> you have a similar theory about the polls don't you? >> yeah and i think some of the things you've been saying and cnn polls, i think pollsters are projecting a whiter electorate, something that hasn't happened in decades. if you look at model even in 2008 where you had extremely high african-american and hispanic turnout, in 2012 even higher. african-americans and hispanic americans are participating in higher rates. you shouldn't see the numbers retrogress but increase as we know hillary clinton does better with nonwhite populations. >> andy? >> now that trump is leading or winning most of the swing states or nationally, of course the pundits now have a problem with the methodology of the polls. >> i've always had that issue. >> not true. >> he's not winning nationally. cnn poll an outlier and if you look at electoral college if you give them ohio, if you give him ohio and north carolina, you know what happens on november 8th? still saying mad am frez. >> but also winning in florida, did well with latinos in the republican primary, beating marco rubio, the home state senator. >> not saying a lot. sorry. >> won by 18 points. >> 10 seconds. >> no evidence saying obama coalition will turn out same or similar numbers for hillary clinton that they did for hillary clinton. >> there's enthusiasm problem. >> fundamentally and. >> thank you. that's it for tonight. thanks for watching. see you back here tomorrow. good night. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me. thosthey are.sses? 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