martin luther king, jr. but with started looking at him as this very sweet man, that he was a radical. he had very radical ideas and he wanted to change things in a very dramatic weight in america. and, of course, he did in very profound ways. so this book restores the radical king. i'm very proud of that and there were working with cornell on a brand-new book called justice matters which will be out in 2015, and which looks not only at racial inequality in america but really at justice issues very broadly, including lgbt justice, including economic justice, including immigrant rights, all kinds of issues which are so important in america today. so we are happy to have cornell back and that's what they're important to us. and then we also are publishing books -- cheryl, her book, "place not race" just cannot. she's a very well-known black legal scholar and she is looking at opportunity and injustice in america through the lens of place and, of course, that means class. it implies class, where people live and what opportunities, their place of residence gives them, or doesn't allow them. so that's one look at it and then her colleague, lani guinier come is look at the inequities we have an intricate society in judging marriage. it's a very test days. so she is questioning what is it that we use to measure, who was mayor, who gets to go to the elite colleges, book at all the opportunity in america. so these two women look at different aspects of justice in america with powerful, powerful books that we are really proud of. >> very quick look at some of the books coming up by beacon press in the fall of 2014. this is booktv on c-span2. >> here's a look at some of the best selling nonfiction books according to "the wall street journal." that's a look at this month's list according to "the wall street journal." >> and booktv is on location at the new york public library in midtown manhattan. ann thornton is joining us from the library. what the deuce because i am the director of the research library for the new york public library. >> what does that mean? >> that are for research libraries. there is this one in midtown manhattan. the schomburg center for research in black culture in harlem. the library for the performing arts at lincoln center, and the business labor at 34th street and madison avenue. >> what do you do? >> am responsible for collections, exhibitions, fellowships, reference and research services for all of the facilities as well as preservation. >> we will have ann thornton sure some of those collections and some of the research library are familiar. where are we right now? >> we are in the magnificent rose reading them in the new york public library. this is what the heart and soul of the library. you see her lots of users are taking advantage of the libraries resources, not only our physical resources, books and materials, also access to technology which is incredibly important. >> even though this room is kind of quiet and sedate, if you look at the window you can see the entire city of new york. >> absolutely, that's right. when the library was founded in 1911, of course there were these tall buildings outside the reading the. all you could see was sky. so it's really a place where the city has really grown up around the library. >> why is it called the rose reading of the? >> the rose family name to this reading group in honor of their children when it was renovated in 1998. during that renovation every square inch of the services in this room were touched by a craftsperson. it's really been restored to its original splendor. >> the know about the paintings up on top? >> these are my girls that we had to re-create. they are in such a bad state of disrepair before the renovation, and so these were created in a studio on campus and being installed here. they are not painted michelangelo style. >> how much of the libraries collection of artifacts available for people to see? >> all of them. our collections are more than 51 million items, and we have all kinds of things from books and manuscripts and archival material, photographs, prints, menus, maps, all kinds of material. >> one of those valuable items is this. what are we looking at? >> this is a gutenberg bible volume. we have a gutenberg bible in our collection. many great research libraries around the world do. the significance of this gutenberg bible, which is a to point say, you see one of the blogs here, is that this gutenberg bible was the first one to be brought to the united states in the mid-19th century. so it's remarkable in that way. >> and it's on display for everyone who was walking by to see it? >> absolutely. the technology here of course is, what's remarkable about this, print is removable type in 1845. >> up next, michael malone talks about the rise and importance of the intel corporation. he spoke about his book and the computer history museum in mountain view, california. >> thank you for joining us, everybody. great crowd. hello, everybody. it's an honor to be here with you guys. put this down. i heard there was a new book coming out. kind of neat to read passionate i think i'm selling more kindle copies and hard copies. spent i was going to ask you to autograph this afterwards. [laughter] >> there you go. .. >> you and i could literally swap seats here because i second had the interview show and you cover silicon valley every day and knows what is going on. half way through we will switch roles. >> i do coverage and the emphasis and we had this discussion before and lamented that silicon valley only looks ahead and so rarely looks back but those of us that don't look back are missing something and missing what will come next and a perfect example, you have one of the early spinoffs making money for investors through a stock offering, three volatile people, they really made the groundwork for what we see now. >> it all begins there. the question i give most in all the interviews is how dare i suggest intel is the most import company in the world? they haven't done that well, why not face book? it has a million members. why not google? it is the access point to the internet. if tomorrow morning the employees of intel decide to sleep in, they are tired of doing more's law for 50 years, all of this would ground to a halt. intel is the high church of more's law, they are committed to keeping more slaw going forward. and accelerated reality and all the things we become accustomed to. it is not a law. it is a social contract. intel and other companies that are in the business, samsung and qualcomm, made a commitment to keep the thing going, drive the technology forward. if they don't want to do it, all of this ends. >> is it accurate that intel and the semiconductors are the basis for everything that came after everything we see today? >> we are doing uber and autonomous cars and all these things. we are so many generations removed from the world of ships that we forget that it all runs from there. to all emanates from there and the reason we have this progress is more's law flips' every 24, the city's months and gives us a new set of opportunities in pieces moving forward. >> host: i want to get inside the book but first , a long-running debate, science, theology, trinity. there are three people, the trinity, there is a religious not very subtle reference. >> guest: no one has ever accused me of lack of hyperbole. i was originally going to be trilogy, that is not enough because the more i thought about it it really is a biblical trinity. you have the father of silicon valley, you have garden and his law, the of holy spirit of the electronic revolution and the difficult but ultimately successful andy grove. and all sorts of passions going to work in all of this. andy's relationship with bob is really complicated. i am not sure i understand it now. i gave andy the last word on the book. i went to his office and talked to him. after all i knew about his history with other two founders, out of my chair, it was just the opposite of what i thought and suggesting even any doesn't and the stand his relationship to noise. >> host: i had to call trinity. the history of theology. it is and paranoia. and actually, it doesn't stop with intel. look at the reverence past the life of steve jobs it borders on following not merely respect but following. >> guest: if you look back there is a series of key figures in the valley's history. it starts at stanford. he makes this happen. packard, the first world's historic figure to come out of the valley and he is the leader of the valley until the 60s. noise, people don't appreciate that. 12 blocks that way, he was a lost kid and he couldn't find a mentor worthy of him, and he instantly realized noyce would always be able to teach him something and look at the story of apple it is apple patterning itself on hewlett-packard but jobs is patting himself on bob noyce and noyce's early death scattered steve jobs. people don't appreciate what he did. it grew him up. steve jobs grew up twice. if you near the debt -- the few new the early steve jobs he was an obnoxious guy. noyce's death and jobs's illness created the steve jobs of legend. jobs's reputation which couldn't get any higher three or four years ago is slowly fading as the next post millennial generation comes along and they are looking at looking at mark zuckerberg but that won't work. i think they're focusing on elon musk. i think he is the next major figure in the valley story. >> host: i would put forth this discussion, jack dorsey at square, they are still looking at what jobs was able to do at various stages of his career and think this is what i want to do to get to that point. >> guest: it is kind of interesting. talking recently to andy, he suggested something happens every once in a while in the business world where people just seem to like celebrate away from everybody else and they do something unimaginable, that they reset the rules of what you can accomplish and we saw that first with hewlett-packard, with a the great run of the h p away from 57 to 74 and we saw it at intel where intel takes the world's with the processors, the x 86 processors and changes everything and keeps of this amazing pace and jobs gives us may be the greatest run of innovation in history where he produces three category creating $100 billion industries, one after another every three years. that is when business becomes something almost supernatural and these guys do it and if you talk to them they are terrified. they don't know what they're doing in the thick of it but they keep going. that is worthy of a story to be told i think. not just the results but what made from who they were. >> host: one person who hasn't gotten his do is robert noyce. his name is on the building. there's a certain legendary status but we don't know as much about him. there is an amazing story you tell in the book where he had a pilot's license which once almost took the life of both noyce and steve jobs. that is crazy. one of those richie valance moments. >> guest: it would have been the end of the digital age at the end of a runway. >> that is amazing. >> host: that is amazing. >> guest: that is why they don't let a lot of modern ceos do that stuff. they used to go helicopter skiing. they finally quit, 12 people died in avalanches, fellow skiers and i talked to jim morgan about it, the chairman, he said he and david would go down a hill like that and noyce would go straight down. i always thought that was an allegory of bob noyce. amazingly charismatic figure. did anybody here note noyce? good.know noyce? good. very few people left. they're running slides of all the people, how long they had been at intel. the longest person who had been there was 17 years. realized basically nobody at intel any more ever knew bob noyce. they see him on the wall when you walk into the robert noyce building. >> host: perpetually young. >> guest: yes. it is hard to explain noyce's appeal. he is as charismatic, i have interviewed all these people over the years. he is may be the most charismatic person i ever met. more than packard, more than steve jobs. those guys, you felt the reality distortions around steve and that you are talking to george washington or god. noyce had this easygoing gravitas, this deep baritone voice. you was a singer and also a champion swimmer and he built this gigantic company, he also had been coinventor of the integrated circuit so he was like baseball, talk about the five tool player, noyce had done everything, he was friendly and engage in and down to earth and you could see he had that effect on steve jobs. you wanted hang around with him, you wanted to be bob noyce. that is a hard thing to convey in words and very few videos, i did the last interview with bob before he died for my pbs show. it got erased. there it is one copy on video tape that is know we and scratched, at stanford library and that is about it. the visual record of bob swim, and the sad thing is he died too young before silicon valley became world phenomena. died just before the dot.com bubble before intel became the most viable manufacturing company on earth. he left this incredible voyage. i remember driving home, when jobs diet, and you were at apple headquarters, crews in front of homestead high school and this sort of shock wave that went through the valley. noyce's shockwave on his bed was the same but smaller because the valley was smaller. he had every boardroom in silicon valley. everyone admired him. even his competitors and there was a feeling that the mayor of silicon valley, that is what his nickname was, there is now a vacuum and that vacuum has never been filled. the next generation, jobs and alice, dysfunctional mayors. >> host: the tech archetype dating back to albert einstein, bad here, social the inapt, or was it the mad hungarian? and then you have the smooth, good with women, where does that come from in the tech world? >> guest: that makes him stand out. he was a very cool guy. we haven't had another bob noyce since. we have lost the sort of center to the valley. we lost the ideas that it was just assumed david packard would meet when elizabeth when she came to the valley. everyone went to hp and stood with dave packard when he met the queen. the feeling was when the japanese industry attacked, and bob noyce pull out of intel and went back to washington and was very successful. when president obama flies in, who was the person who stands there and says i represent silicon valley. there hasn't been one for 20 years. how many people here worked at intel? how many worked in the semiconductor industry? how many people lived here 20 years? 30? not many hands. 40? 50? 60? wow. the reason -- i want to get a sense, there are not a lot of twitter people here. that is a statement on the fact the valley doesn't think about history. i think about when i walked in this building. 50 years ago i was standing right about here with a pellet gun on my shoulder hunting birds because it was one continuous field by the 40 x 80 wind tunnel. and a school in mountain view is over there and that is where i was going to school and that is where steve jobs, everything north of here, there was a drive in theater and 20 years ago i was in this building and it was silicon graphics. this would be they're exciting new building and i came here as a reporter for fortune. to do a story on the huge ongoing success of s.g. i and the more i talk to people memorialized this was a company in serious trouble and i wrote the very first negative piece about silicon graphics. it caused a huge stir. history proved to be correct. if we bristol at the s g i global headquarters i would have some apologizing to do and then they were here year and a half ago for the celebrations for the pbs documentary bob noyce and fairchild, interesting that noyce is coming back in the public eye, there's a curiosity about him. gordon in doers forever, immortal because his name is on the law. that is what counts. i have no doubt school kids 500 years from now will be following because this is an amazing, historic interval we are in. we are lucky to be right here, right now. what i find interesting is andy who bestrode the world like a colossus ten years ago and demand i think is the greatest ceo of the second half of the 20th century, he got to ride the tiger and he did it and look how difficult it is for everybody else to do what he managed to do. andy is in this sort of period of semi eclipse. you don't hear about only paranoid survive, i think he will come back in the public eye a few years from now. >> host: there is a smooth ceo, good looking ceo. young ceos now will say bob noyce was a guy who would get the message across and so i think there is a little bit of that if you look at the jack dorises of the world, i can be smooth and on magazine covers and still leave the company -- >> guest: and put on a shirt. >> guest: diane in the new yorker today which is the greatest thrill of my writing career just to see that fond gave me shivers. it is q and a by ended up saying there's a distinct difference between the battle crowd and the current crowd and that is if you go back and look at the founders of the semiconductor industry, founders of modern silicon valley, they are all sons of the working class. they have seen tough times. noyce was the son of a preacher in iowa, apparently didn't get good sermons so got moved around. board more's dad was the sheriff, a resting bootleggers. gordon is of that first generation, the only local. billups hewlett, the dean of the medicine medical program at stanford, lives in san francisco. his dad died young social buzz with terrible dyslexia kind of a mercy acceptance at stanford. andy went through hell budapest was overrun twice, he escaped in the 1915s literally over the wire and got here and the rest of the founders of the semiconductor industry in the valley really came from working-class stock. they understood what it was like to live paycheck to paycheck and lose parents young and all those things and that gave them a sense of reality, a sense of this is what life is like for my employees and my customers and i don't see this in san francisco. >> host: you could argue whatever the ethic was, the intel employees did well, they were able to feed their families, we are seeing that at facebook and google and twitter now that they have been enriched by success, they are now sort of spreading out. >> guest: ted live four houses away from me when he was inventing the microprocessor and he almost drove me over eight times racing down fremont avenue. i would run into david packard in palo although. is crowd, they are much more children -- they are like software engineers who are the children of software engineers and this oligarch entitled attitudes that i see in them which we're seeing the backlash in san francisco, the stoning of the buses and the attitudes that the hipsters are running the town, that i didn't see that in the old guard. another factor is these guys were hard workers. everybody from the semiconductor industry knows it is not even electronics. it is the chemical industry, it is fabrication. real hands on stuff. the social network world, web 2.0 is software, code, a code is more ethereal and detached from reality. >> guest: hardware still the basis of everything we do. of the generation that is now a federal or will this last and will the children of the current oligarchs start their own companies whether they are software or hardware or whatever? >> guest: i think the software here is ending. it is dominated silicon valley for 15 years, and it moved the center of gravity. the center of gravity of silicon valley started in palo also in the apollonian elegant hills and went down to the dirty diane ec and world of the valley floor at california street in san antonio road where shockley and fairchild were, right down there. mountain view and headed south through the industrial parks to the golden triangle in san jose, spread around the bay but consistently heading south but with the arrival of the internet it hopped north to san francisco and the capital of silicon valley is san francisco, 1998. there is a lot of mass down here but that is where the action has been. i am beginning to notice interesting changes and i am sure most of the lived close here, you probably noticed the changes too, most obviously they put up the house for sale signs in your neighborhood and households 14 hours later for $1.6 million. my parents had a house in mountain view they bought for $19,500, then in sunnyvale for $26,000, the house in sunnyvale last i looked was worth $1.5 million and it has gone up 20% since the beginning of the year. i live in the oldest house in the south bay and it is in the neighborhood south of bernardo and they do not sell, they don't take longer than two days to sell and they're selling at 30% of the market price. that is a clue that something is afoot. what i am beginning to notice is the valley is getting ready to make another move of its capital and this is ground zero right here. i think the next decade may be even 20 years of the valley's future is right in here, right here at the triangle of mountainview. why do i say that? two reasons, three. san francisco was becoming inhospitable. they are doing all sorts of things to drive tech companies out. they will basically follow their own wealth. you are seeing a backlash up their against this new crowd of rich young people. san francisco doesn't like children. san francisco likes dogs and so -- >> host: they long had a school problem. >> guest: it stopped being a working town in 1965. a tourist town, now it is attacked town and now these 23-year-olds who come to work for twitter and the rest are now 30, getting married, having kids and they have got to be saying i don't know if this is the right place to raise my kids which suggests they are going to go south. i think they will go east interestingly but we will get to that in the second. if you look around here facebook is down here, google is shifting ever closer this way into this 23717101 triangle. in downtown sunnyvale i am lindsey holds neighborhood and look up and there is 1 million square foot office building in the middle of downtown sunnyvale and i drive by the sign linked in and obviously all of us drive up 280, the apple donuts is coming. there is a thing called 4 malone laws and the first lot is whenever a company builds a new global headquarters, short the stock. it works. it has always worked and the recent works is when you move into a fancy new building you are more concerned about where your office is and what you get a good window and where your parking space is as opposed to shipping products and -- >> host: we have to wait to short apple's stock until they move in. >> guest: you like apple? we talk about apple. when steve jobs died i wrote his obituary in the wall street journal and sort of made a prediction. i said tim cook will be a terrific ceo because he is the guy that always made the trains run on time at avalanche he knew how to handle steve because steve was like this radical elements that if you could control him he gave the magic but if you unleashed him he would destroy the company's morales and everything else and create chaos which is what he did the first time. what i predicted was apple would become more profitable and more successful for the first few years after steve's death but what apple had lost was the guy who when you came in with the new idea looked at you and said that is not crazy enough. that is not a big enough risk. steve jobs created, unique in history of american business of corporate culture of a giant company that was progress as opposed to risk averse. you got punished for not being enough of a risk taker under steve jobs. >> host: the pirate flag. >> guest: cook is not that guy so we are seeing andy is beginning to play out sadly is apple is upgrading and advancing their existing products really well. and they will continue to do that and their profit margins will get higher and their stock will keep climbing but we going to see ipod iphone ipad in the course of eight years ever again from that company? i don't think so so i think the age of apple as the most exciting company on the planet is probably done. >> host: it was exciting the same reason intel was doing and the products it was creating work setting and it is all hardware. kenna software company be the most exciting company in the world? i tried to do stories on oracle and you can't use customer relation and software. you had to talk about the crazy ceo and that it was minting millionaires. a hardware company -- >> that is why you will have fun in the next few years because i think we're shifting from software ear to hardware era. it is simultaneous with this move down south. they code stuff up there. if you look at tesla, look at all the wearables that are being created, we will see hundreds of thousands of products in the next decade, if you look at health care, medical monitoring, it will move to the watch andy will be testing your golf onyx in response. >> host: tell me how long i/night. >> guest: measuring your gate and the way you walk as an early indicator of parkinsons. it may be the first indicator. because of more's law that will get smaller and smaller. the sensor revolution is the least celebrated revolution in the last 30 years. that is exploding too. the age of testing samples is over. now we test everything. we measure everything. we will measure every gust the very every fish in the sea because once these things become almost microscopic just throw them into the air and a float around for a generation in the hemisphere sending signals, we're developing all these analytics, we literally ended a historic here at the last of 500 years of statistics and now we go to measuring everything. hardware, we are going to stick stuff under our skin, swallow smart hills to measure our vital signs. we will do all these things, they will have software and cut but the heart of it will be physical things. when it comes to physical things. >> host: microsoft became the biggest company in the world on the back of intel chips. thank you. would you like to take some audience questions? >> anything else you want to ask? >> host: they will be more intelligent than anything on this tablet so why don't we -- how would you compare in tel's history and impact with more modern companies like facebook and google, is the era of great component companies over? >> guest: no. the era of components isn't over because we constantly regenerated and every two or three years. we have to keep doing that. luckily if you look at the announcements coming out of ibm and intel and some university laboratories over the last 5 years i made two great mistakes as a reporter. my first was declaring silicon valley dead about four times. >> host: you are not the only one. >> guest: every time i got stuck in traffic i got this off, went home and wrote an op-ed that the valley was unlivable and wouldn't last much longer. >> host: maybe uber will keep journalists happy and won't have to drive and silicon valley will live on. >> guest: the second mistake i made consistently as a reporter was suggesting more's law might end soon. all credit to the semiconductor industry, they have done one miracle after another. they should have hit a physical wall 20 years ago. they just keep getting smaller and smaller features, and now we're looking at 3d gates and transistors. ibm announced a new type of circuitry, getting down to seven nanometers. we are leaving silicon, three and five on the periodic table, every time you think they can't keep going, the laws of physics will get in the way they pull another rabbit out of their hat. >> host: people are starting -- chips unbecoming come monetized. many of you in the audience know firsthand intel stock is at its highest level in 12 years so that is wall street coming around and saying oh yes, this is important to everything else that is going around out there. >> guest: intel screwed up five years ago. days did when they should have zagged. it is easy to say they made a dumb decision, but the whole point of being in shell is you take a bit risky decisions and the genius of intel is not the fact that they don't make mistakes. i gave a speech at intel where i concluded intel made more mistakes than any company in history. but intel's ability to recover from mistakes is there genius and everytime intel was on the canvas andy would keep them moving. >> host: they won the stake. >> guest: companies that don't make mistakes come in two forms, start-ups that make one mistake and mature companies that are risk averse and don't make mistakes and become obsolete. intel keeps taking big risks. one of the big risks was craig barrett took the company towards networking and committed other acquisitions towards networking and the world went the other direction and intel got left behind and has been racing to catch up and the financials last week told wall street we are now being designed into an awful lot of smart phones and tablets and all of that. intel is back in the game. at least for now. did we answer that question? >> host: the impact is legendary. will these have more time? if you can call google and upstart will they have the impact intel has had? >> guest: everyone thinks of google as a search engine but it was a stealth marketing effort to still advertising away from the media which it did brilliantly. everytime the new york times or fortune or vanity fair put a google search box on their home page they gave away their advertising to google so google's impact has been enormous. facebook of two mines. on the one hand 1 billion users which makes it the most impact for service co. of all time. it ranks with coca-cola. 1 billion users but what keeps them there? >> host: i would argue, in the mobile world we carry them around with us. microsoft user of years past use his or her product when they were at their desk. the facebook user has that with them and has built a pretty big chunk of their life with them that they take with them everywhere. that is very impact. >> guest: it made some bad business decisions. one was not protecting its users from creditors and the other was trying to monetize too hard, and everyone one morning left. i kept looking at facebook and thinking this is a company that keeps pushing the envelope, try to make money off of its users and it is perfectly willing as shown to take your private information and sell it to the world's. and this is another reminder why you want people with gray hair in the company to tell you know, you really don't want to share people's purchasing information with their friends because the friends, do you really want to share the fact you bought preparation h or your wife sees the you bought flowers that were not for her? this is what happened and they keep trying to do this. the thing about facebook is i don't trust them because i never believed they had my best interests at heart. >> host: the devil's advocate, i will speak for those who don't yet have gray hair because there are those. that private information is willingly given up. >> host: >> guest: there's a different relationship between millennial sense younger people towards privacy but nevertheless facebook is playing a dangerous game and if they make a mistake people will look. there's not much holding people's there. mayport lot of stuff in but once again that is the femoral. >> host: we are talking people who are by definition short attention spans. >> host: zuckerburg's strategy have been brilliant latinos the vulnerability of facebook so he goes out when facebook is beginning to fade, when your grandma has a face book page and you are 16 years old paths so they go out and they buy instagram. . so instagram is no longer the flavor of the day. what do they buy next? $19 billion, 55 employees. i heard that every vested employee at what's apps will make $52 million for less than a year's work. why would mark spend that kind of money? my vision of his business model is this warring river, zeitgeist, technology revolution, and he is jumping from rock to rock. as facebook begins to fade, instagram, what's apps, he has money. >> guest: >> host: if you did bottled water sized thing in that river he now comes up with $19 million. paddle down that river. >> guest: every company is like scrooge mcduck all filled with gold collinsins . i figured out apple has more money than the gnp of most countries. why deliver -- why compete with some new company coming at you head on. go sideways and keep moving. >> host: carol hart said that is the beauty, the rest of the tech world is a farm team and you're in the major leagues and it has worked pretty well. pretty unparalleled but she did well. >> guest: she was the most fun person at silicon valley. >> host: you have not dropped any f bombs during this. >> guest: she is the them all. we reporters regularly voted her the ceo you want to go after. >> host: could intel have happened anywhere but silicon valley? >> guest: that is a good one. it succeeded to some degree in texas and in motoro.
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>> no. i was excited about that. >> my life is going to go like that. >> the role of a lifetime. ahead on "sunday morning." >> osgood: comes to thinking outside the box at least one fellow is constantly thinking about nothing but the box. not afraid to reveal his obsession. >> who doesn't like a hot cheesy slice of pizza. but what about the box. is that real? >> this is real. >> the world's largest usable pizza box. >> one man's trash becomes another man's treasure. >> this is italian box. >> later on "sunday morning" the art of pizza boxes. >> osgood: bill geist takes us to one of a kind golden oldies show. an exhibit of beloved children's books. anthony mason talks with award winning songwriter ne-yo and more. first, headlines for sunday morning. online video appears to show that the japanese journalist held by isis has been beheaded. reports from the iraqi city of kiir cook. >> to the japanese government. >> toot gruesome video this time japanese journalist kenji goto appears to show his beheading at the hands of isis. wanted to make the world a better place. isis had offered to release goto in return for a failed female suicide bomber on death row in jordan. the jordanian government agreed to free him but only in exchange for one of its own citizen pilot found in isis territory in december. in the end though there was no prisoners, just one more brutal murder. i'm holly williams in kirkuk, iraq. >> osgood: government is ordering new recall some of two million toyota chrysler and mob da vehicles. the problem is air bags that could inflate while the car is running. no reports of deaths or injuries. bobbi kristina brown the daughter of late whitney houston is in medically induced coma. she was rush td to a hospital yesterday as it is story sadly reminiscent to circumstances surrounding her mother's death three years ago. >> bobbi kristina brown was found at her home face down and unconscious in bathtub by her husband nick gordon and friend. she was brought to nearby hospital, officials are not commenting on her condition. incident took place almost three years after brown's mother, six-time grammy winner whitney houston brown drowned in beverly hills. in 2012 interview with oprah brown then 19 the loss of her mother. >> i would have said i would have said, no. i am. >> anthony is contributing editor at "rolling stone" magazine. >> growing up in such a famous family what kind of pressures were on her? >> when your family is not necessarily the spotlights of the best things there was this sense of paying attention to you because your parents are driving themselves over a cliff. >> this morning she remains under observation. for "sunday morning." >> osgood: two balloonists an american and russia sat down off of baja, california, after the end of japan to mexico journey. they much in the gas balloon longer and farther than any balloonists in history. the weather, a big snowstorm sweeping across the eastern half of the country could spoil party for many people today. the week ahead several days of rain in the northwest warming up across the icy northern plains, the southwest will be the best. >> we are pretty big football fans. >> osgood: next -- meet the fans of fantasy football. >> the general has arrived. >> osgood: later. >> don't expect to look on the wall of pizzarera see c at least 100 million americans are expected to be watching the super bowl later today. several million of them will know firsthand just how hard it is to build a championship team. they learned that the hard way by playing online sport that could be called fantastic. emphasis on the word fan. our cover story reported by mark strassmann. >> for millions of football fans, the team that really matters won't be playing in super bowl xlix. this team is not even real. but the season-long anguish over it sure is. >> andrew luck. >> miami. >> it's fantasy football. more than 27 million americans now play in leagues and it generates more than a billion dollars every year. >> it's important to formulate some kind of strategy. >> fantasy football so real it revolutionized the way they watch the nfl. >> over to matthew berry what do you got for us? >> we met a 45-year-old guy who has built an empire on fantasy. >> my name is matthew berry, i am espn's senior fantasy football analyst. that's actually a job. you look at the business card, really? i'm surprised as well. just as surprised as you. that is my actual title. >> it wasn't matthew berry's dream job because back when he was dreaming about jobs this one didn't exist. berry started playing fantasy sports as 14-year-old growing up in college station texas. >> it wasn't for everybody. >> of course not. it was very niche. very sort of nerdy this is before personal computers were common place you did your stats by hand. i was a bit of outkast as a kid. i was looking for like lot of 14-year-olds, anything that just wanted me to be part of it. >> berry moved to hollywood after college and became a successful screen writer. but realized he was living in someone else's fantasy. >> making good money. you kicked it all aside. >> i was miserable. there was website that was looking for writers online. i e-mailed them i said, i'm professional writer living out here in hollywood. but fantasy sports is my passion. i love it. i think it would be be fun to do column on the side. >> his timing was perfect in 2004 when he launched two fantasy websites. fantasy football was taking on. in 2007espn hired him for emerging fantasy. >> super simple. you draft real life nfl players. how well those real life notify players do in real life nfl games. that's it in essence. super easy. real life players. how well they do. >> say you drafted quarterback aaron rodgers with the green bay packers and some sunday he throws four touchdown passes. even if the packers lose, his individual statistics help your fantasy team win. antonio gates he's no. 85 is all-pro tightened with the san diego chargers and star on thousands of fantasy football teams. he says fantasy football has its positives. more interest in the game and in his performance. >> got 10,000 people saying something to you like general manager. you're at the gas station, i had you last week, i told you i needed -- i got you coming up. i need you to play big. the fantasy so big now i witnessed that. because what fans had to say about what they're doing to their fantasy league. >> just like these guys in new jersey -- players in fantasy lesion all over drafted nfl players before the season began and competed often fiercely over the next five months. who is playing fantasy football? >> everyone. everyone is playing fantasy football. kids play. moms play. grandmothers play. priests, rabbis ministers, starts like the start of bad joke but three different lesion. jay-z plays. celebrities play. convicts play. casino owners play. servicemen play. seriously, you name it, they all play. >> 80% of fantasy players are college grads. and fast growing segment 20% of all players are women. >> my team is fumble in the jungle. >> my team name is it's game of thrones. >> i have ruud rebounds. >> i'm sacks in the city. >> meet the gridiron ladies, all women's fantasy league in minnesota. there are dozen nfl fans who knew each other working in state politics. three years ago they launched a fantasy league. >> we are pretty big football fans. we thought why not a little more. first year was small. and it's been growing since. >> what's been the big surprise for you? >> i think just how social it is. the fun that we have in our group, you are checking your phone or you're infrequent of tv you drop in, how is andrew luck doing? >> how competitive is this? >> these girls? >> i don't even play fantasy football any more. get rid of drew brees. >> the fx network called "the league" now in its sixth season. it follows a fantasy league and group of high school buddies who will do anything to win. >> we always say to enjoy the league you don't have to know anything about football or anything about fantasy football just have to have friends that you hate. >> jeff and jackie schaffer the husband and wife creators write and direct. they also compete onset in a fantasy league. >> part of writing the show telling the truth about the current standings of the league's league. >> there's not interview that doesn't go through that she doesn't get to crow that she's in first place. >> the show like any real fantasy league, is partly about football but mostly about camaraderie and human nature. >> people are terrible. whiners, cheats. the worst. they are cry babies. complainers, devious, you get to do this for the smallest stakes imaginable. >> tonight in arizona, the patriots and the seahawks will play for the lombardi trophy. in minnesota the gridiron ladies played for a different prize. >> does the trophy have a name? is there a lombardi throw glee the heel. >> this will be around my house for a few more years. >> it's moving up north. >> she one the heel. it was important to her that we tell you that. and matthew berry understands it. jay-z asked for his help drafting a fantasy team. >> the sports metaphor for life what are fantasy sports a metaphor for? >> life but better. >> i believe country that likes to root. i think as a people whether it's for the guy to get the girl in romantic comedy, the mom to win the dishwasher on the game show, for our fantasy football team to score more points than your fantasy football team ultimately country that likes to root for something. and there's nothing better than collecting your own group of players saying, i think mine are better than yours. >> osgood: ahead. natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. supporting millions of new jobs. billions in tax revenue... and a new century of american energy security. the new energy superpower? 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>> right now i have around 750 maybe few more. >> whole closet. >> not enol thing. >> just the tops. >> this is italian box. >> his collection has pizza boxes from 50 different countries. everywhere from australia to thailand to kazakhstan. >> that is not american looking. >> it's a circle. >> there are variations of familiar classics. and out of the box boxes, a george clooney look alike. a jigsaw puzzle. a racy delivery girl. and a collectible limited edition. there's even a hi-tech one that works with your ipad so you can play video games with your pizza box. >> this little city rises up from the box. >> come on. >> there's a pizzaria in the center. you have to protect it. >> wiener is cheesy obsession started when he was traveling in israel seven years ago. >> when you're in different country you expect the money is different, language is different. different customs. you don't expect to look on the wall and see this bright yellow box with blue writing on it totally rocking it. >> then he started collecting box after box. is that real? >> this is real. this is the world's largest usable pizza box. >> pizza wasn't always transported in boxes. wean sear says in the 1800s metal vessels called stufas were used to carry around pizza in naples where pizza as we know it originated. in the late 19th century, pies made their way to america with the wave of italian immigrants and they were wrapped in cheap news print or paper bags. it wasn't until the 1950s that pizza boxes were actually created. >> when we close this box we made our best. >> domino's was said to be the first toe design the corrugated box that was durable and kept cheese from sticking to the top. this is all pizza boxes. >> it's millions of pizza boxes. >> like 30 feet high. >> yes. >> the president of freeport paper on long island new york which produces about ten million pizza boxes a week and ships all over the world. what's the most popular design? >> in the early years it was always alleged-fashioned pizza guy with a big mustache. more recent years to more of cascade design. >> which is more important the pizza inside or the box? >> the box. >> you're a box guy. >> first thing you see is the box. then you get to enjoy the pizza. >> for less than 60 cents a box pizza locations big and small are able to market themselves using graphics created by people like holly delray a designer at freeport paper. she's crafted over 10,000 different pizza box designs. >> it's silly, even driving around i see them sticking out of garbage cans i'm like, there's my knocks. that makes me feel good. i hope that people enjoy the product that's in the box and outside of the box, too. >> scott wiener sure does. he holds the guiness world record for largest pizza box selection and has written a book about his passion. do people say he's nuts. >> not to my face. i know when i tell somebody that i collect pizza boxes there's almost a moment where i have to take a deep breath prepare myself for the look i'm going to get. >> are you hungry for pizza now? >> yes. absolutely. i haven't had a slice in a day. ♪ >> osgood: next. these folks really know the score. later -- >> osgood: to watch the big game you need a big picture. i mean really big ticketer as lee cowan will show us that's where the folks in the small town of brookings, south dakota, come in. >> here in the plains of south dakota being a football fan can be a bit lonely. closest nfl team is a four hour drive from here. and yet town of brookings, south dakota, has a big stake in tonight's super bowl. because this is where the nfl goes up in lights. how many super bowls have you -- >> my gosh. i think our first major nfl stadium came in possibly in '98. >> that's when this south dakota electronics company fittingly called daktronics entered what is an arms race to build biggest most vivid video scoreboards in football. including this one, that will be used in tonight's big game in arizona. if you're surprised that something that big comes from such a small place, don't worry. that ceo is pretty used to that. >> this is -- what is the reaction when you have hi-tech company in south dakota? >> that is one of the real mental hurdles we have to live with. here we are in south dakota we have hi-tech company and that's -- where is south dakota? you have to position on map for some people. >> all started back in 1968 on campus of south dakota state university, with two friendly engineering professors both south dakota natives. >> i tell people who were rich. >> al, reece's father and duane sander were looking for way to help their students find local jobs. >> we were seeing our students leaving the state and thought we should try to do something to keep our students here. >> they end space entire repair shop off main street in brookings and never really planned to leave. >> you talk to start-up companies, venture capital lists they always talk about their exit strategy. what is your exit strategy. my exit strategy for the company was no exit. >> his first hire a graduate student named jim morgan. he went on to become daktronics c.e.o. years later. back in those days he didn't know what the company was supposed to make. >> didn't have a product when we started. every accomplishment you celebrate. >> they finally put their engineering minds together to build this. a scoreboard for wrestling matches. may look simple but at the time it was revolutionary. and they have never looked back since. >> if somebody was interested in having us build another scoreboard we were willing to do that. >> didn't turn anybody down. >> they were soon building scoreboards for high schools, colleges, you name it. in 1980, daktronics was asked to ply their trade at the winter olympics in lake placid. >> that was really a turning point for us. >> you had literally a worldwide audience looking at what you guys were building here for the olympics. >> good advertising. >> back then they were timing world records. today they are making them. daktronics hold distinction of building the largest video displays in sports is, specifically installed at the home of the jacksonville jaguars. each is bigger than the field the jags play on, 362 feet long, six stories high. and with a price tag to match. coming in nearly $9 million apiece. to really appreciate the size of these things you've got to see them in person. there's almost 22,000 square feet of screen up there. that makes my head big enough to be on mt. rushmore, right now just one of my eyes is almost 11 feet across. that's disconcerting. the nfl is counting on bigger being better. to entice fans off their comfy couches to buy tickets to see the spectacle in person. >> you have many great reasons to stay home. you have your 62" and man cave. i need to provide you with a different kind of experience that you can only get in the venue. >> ray rosen is executive producer of the jags big screen resolution. >> the res solution better than what you get at home. >> four times better than what you get at home. >> screens are constellation of millions of l.e.d.s, about the size of small thumb tack space about half inch apart. standing near them hard to picture a picture all your eyes focus on are red green, blue lights. but back away those clusters miraculously blend together in to a portrait in vivid detail. the panels undergo brutal testing to make sure that they can withstand the elements. >> just feel the heat right away. >> everything from the steamy heat of sun life stadium in miami to the pounding rain and snow of chicago's soldier field. some are even submerged in water. >> it will run for days and weeks without a failure. >> but perhaps biggest test for daktronics has been students at sdsu. where rarely misses a jackrob its game under his scoreboard of course. in the early '80s only 22% of engineering graduates here actually found work near brookings, south dakota. but today that number is closer to 62%. many of daktronics would-be employees now attend class in daktronics hall. >> show the exciting works, demonstrate there is exciting work right here. >> daktronics of course isn't the only manufacturer of stadium big screens mitsubishi turned heads with this massive display at the home of the dallas cowboys. but it's daktronics that has just been awarded the contract to build the biggest scoreboard to date called a halo board the top of the new atlanta stadium. is for the stadium itself to grow. >> are we approaching sort of the biggest they are going to be? >> i think it depends on how large the checkbook is. that will be a factor. >> i guess that's true. >> the checkbook is larger we'll sure try to build it. >> we undoubtedly will watch. so let's do something about it. spent it provides estrogens to help rebuild vaginal tissue and make intercourse more comfortable. premarin vaginal cream treats vaginal changes due to menopause and moderate-to-severe painful intercourse caused by these changes. don't use it if you've had unusual bleeding breast or uterine cancer blood clots, liver problems, stroke or heart attack, are allergic to any of its ingredients or think you're pregnant. side effects may include headache pelvic pain, breast pain vaginal bleeding and vaginitis. estrogens may increase your chances of getting cancer of the uterus, strokes, blood clots or dementia so use it for the shortest time based on goals and risks. estrogen should not be used to prevent heart disease heart attack, stroke or dementia. ask your doctor about premarin vaginal cream. >> osgood: now story that is short and sweet. our faith sailly. >> the title that is far away yet still familiar. treasure island, secret garden, where the wild things are. stories we grew up with still make us smile. >> these are the books we loved as children. these are the books that we loved so much that we read them to our own children. maybe we reread them on the fly ourselves. >> eric is the director of the grolier club in new york. recent weeks it's been the home to exhibit celebrating the books that have been shaping young minds and sparking imaginations for generations. >> you feel as society about childhood. we ideal lies it, we cherish it try to recreate it for our own. >> the illustrations like home away from home. the characters the exhibit traces the history of children's literature as far back as the 1600s. the appeal of some books hasn't quite stood the test of time. orbis sensaulium pictus anyone? early children's books weren't just to entertain. >> the goal was to socialize these kids to educate them to some degree. but to make sure that they didn't grow up to be savages. >> and girls in particular were encouraged to be civilized according to children's literature scholar andrea immel. >> the boys get the best adventures until the 20th century. girls on a smaller stage. they're hat home interacting with siblings or maybe their neighbors. >> even though these books were intended for kids they resonate j as much with adults. >> most of us want to be, make a difference, do the right thing. we're allowed to do that in children's books. become the butterfly. solve the crime. win the kid ditch match. all those things. >> and so as we turn the pages of our own lives these stories find a way to stay with us. >> i think these books twice capture us, right? your experience as reading it with a child seeing it through a child's eyes. then reminiscing about having it read to you. >> and we hope our children love them. >> osgood: you got to lipsync it. >> osgood: ahead, lip syncing for the ages. >> osgood: stone mountain, georgia, you can hear full blooded voices singing golden oldies. something in the money tan air? bill geist went to hear for himself. >> ♪ come on along listen to the lullaby of broadway ♪ >> way way off broadway park springs retirement community in stone mountain, georgia. residents put on an annual extravaganza. ♪ the talent is stunning. listen to those voices. ♪ >> wait, they're not exactly singing. in the outside world, lip syncing is often scandalous. here 91-year-old director marvin himmel it's an art. ♪ marvin is the lord of lipsync. >> i was the originate or in vaudeville of the lip syncing. i used to call it the early years called pantomimicry. >> he and two college classmates gained a measure of fame mimicking the andrew sisters. after long career of managing conventions, marvin is back doing what he loves. >> they sit down, spotlight. ♪ >> his cast members lipsync so well they sometimes fool people. >> people would come up to my husband say, i didn't know that shirley could sing like that. he would say well those voice lessons finally paid off. ♪ >> lip syncing is a challenge. stop. much too early. >> marvin is a perfectionist. may not be broadway but the show's got to be good. >> my first rehearsal he's barking like a marine drill sergeant. >> the last time i'm going to tell you you're in the doing a duet, you got to lipsync it. >> he's yelling, i'm starting to think, i don't know about this. >> bill arnold considered a child actor. ava at 82 veteran he's been in the show all eight years. >> what is it working with him? >> he's wonderful. he's amazing. >> because they particularly since my wife passed away they are my family. they're my family. >> you love these people but it's a tough love sometimes. >> well, yes. it's a tough love. i tell 'em certain rules. one, you don't talk. i don't need any help. i don't need suggestion just take direction. we can talk about it. >> marvin is producer, director, stage manager and writer. >> i'll buy in to that. >> in weeks and months leading up to the show he can be seen zipping this way and that through the hallways on his golden literider scooter tending to every minute detail. >> washed and styled. somewhat in the era of 1950 style. >> i'm a jewish mother. >> i'm irish. >> try to keep it closed tonight. >> excitement builds as show time nears. >> i'm thrilled, adrenaline is way up. >> the four-night run is completely sold out. >> sit back, reminisce as the cast sings this immediately of familiar show tunes. ♪ ♪ come and meet the dancing feet ♪ from the avenue i'm taking it to ♪ 42nd street ♪ >> the show is combination of these raucous numbers and some touching ones that team particularly poignant. >> am i getting old? >> oh, no not you. >> what do you think this means to these people to be involved in this? >> i'll put it this way. the title of the show is "forever young" that's a big part of it. they feel young. they feel vibrant. ♪ >> what does it mean to you? >> oh, love. i love these people. i love the theater. and i love to be able to create these things. they mean so much to me because they just lift me. >> ♪ listen to the lullaby of broadway ♪ >> osgood: up next lost and found. female announcer: when you see this truck, it means another neighbor is going to sleep better tonight because they went to sleep train's ticket to tempur-pedic event. find the tempur-pedic that's right for you and see why they're the most highly recommended bed in america. plus, get three years interest-free financing. sleep risk-free with sleep train's 100 day money back guarantee. and of course, free same-day delivery. are you next? announcer: make sleep train your ticket to tempur-pedic. ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ >> osgood: someone losing a lifetime of memories a page from the past would be welcome. steve hartman has one woman's story. >> one of the residents of this apartment building in hillsboro oregon, is being robbed, slowly robbed, of her memories. >> it seems like a lot of my life is gone and i can't find it. >> 64-year-old rose hill first noticed this about a year ago. >> i was rooting for them to find brain lesions or brain tumor. >> rooting for it? >> i want to know if you know what is causing it maybe you can fix it or make it better. or make it not hurt as bad. >> doctors still don't know if it's dementia or what. have been searching for a cause, rose has been praying to get back at least some of the pieces of her past. that's why it felt like a miracle when some of those memories did resurface at this goodwill outlet, of all places. >> i knew they didn't belong here and i knew i had to find the owner and return them. >> sara head lick was going through the bins here when she saw something that stood out more than her hair even. beneath all these tired books and blank slates she found fascinating read. love letters. all addressed to one rosie hill. rose has no idea how the letters ended up at goodwill. >> i didn't even know we had those. written in 1973 now ex-husband in the vietnam war. no way diminishes the value these letters now hold for her. >> i remember. you smell the smells. you hear the sounds. you feel like you are back in time and place. bought myself $200 of camera. most are about ordinary life. rose says when you suffer from memory loss any recollection feels like total joy. these letters may be 40 years old but they couldn't have come at a better time. which is why rose so grateful for sara. wouldn't say she loves her like a daughter but she did mark her height on the kitchen wall. they do plan to stay in touch. which could make for some very fun new memories. >> osgood: estimate to come. condoleezza rice takes the field. first -- >> i was conceived on the -- talks to patricia arquette. good food choices, i had no idea that it was damaging the enamel of my teeth. i wanted to fix it i wanted to fix it right away. my dentist recommended pronamel. he said that pronamel can make my teeth stronger that it was important, that that is something i could do each day to help protect the enamel of my teeth. pronamel is definitely helping me to lead the life that i want to live. ♪ enjoy more enthusiasm at mealtime, with more varieties of favorite dog food brands at petsmart! right now, get 33% more free on specially marked bags of nutro® natural choice® dog food. only at petsmart®. ♪ there's a big difference between running a race and leading one. ♪ when you're in charge... ♪ you get to call the shots. ♪ how cool is that? ♪ the 2015 corolla. ♪ toyota. let's go places. >> osgood: patricia arquette is oscar nominee for her role in the movie "boyhood" will i.t. be her name we hear? anything but a bit part, lord knows it's taken a long time to do it. as she explains to mo rocca. >> patricia arquette is completing a journey a dozen years in the making. one that began with a phone call from director richard linklater. >> called me what are you going to be doing the next 12 years. i didn't know what he was talking about. well, probably be raising my son. >> his pitch was an audacious one. movie called "boyhood" story about a family that would be filmed over 12 years. a fictional tale told in realtime. >> are you thinking of me? he was like, yeah, i was wondering if you might be interested. i was like i'm in. i should probably ask what my part is. i'm in anyway, what is my part? he says, you're the mom. i thought cool. maybe i'll be in two scenes. don't forget your bat! >> i'm doing the best i can. you're right it sucks. but it doesn't suck half as much as having -- slam your head against wall. >> in portrayal of struggling single mom. the movie is as much about her growth as it is about the kid's. >> doesn't mean it was healthy for us. >> arquette and ethan hawk who plays her ex-husband are both nominated for oscars. her child's costars are l.r.coltrane and lorelei linklater. >> just the whole way rick works so different. he introduced me to the kids, moved out of his house. i had the kids alone all weekend, i tuck them in bed, read them stories. >> it was such a long commitment at some point did you go, oh, my god if this thing craters i spent nine, ten years. >> i think it of like six or seven years. yeah, this would really suck. >> you know what is next? my funeral. >> did you have any anxiety about which an audience would see you age 12 years? >> no. i was excited. when rick first told me i knew the kids would grow up really fast. i knew ethan and i would get old. i wanted to move in to the next phase of my career leave all the stuff behind. >> that was a string of roles playing the enjenou not that she was run of the mill. >> you are unbelievably cute. >> she broke through in the 199 cult classic "truro manslaughter." playing the sexy survivor alabama whitman. arquette took all kinds of parts, as single mom in real life she had to. >> seems like you were enjoying it. >> the attention, maybe. >> you were really young mother. >> yeah, i was 20 when i had my son. >> how did it affect your life as an actor? >> i recognized that i wouldn't be a successful actor if i wasn't a young mom. i can't do that. you have to do what you have to do to support your kids. >> arquette comes from a long line of actors who know what it takes to put food on the table. this is where it all starts. >> this is where it all started yeah. >> her great grandparents were in vaudeville. and her grandfather cliff was comedy star on the small screen. a couple of people said, wasn't her grandfather charlie webber, they made these bartender dolls. >> grandpa's' was a staple on jack parr's show then hollywood squares. >> he was real kill war buff. he was one of the first people that saw the importance of recognizing battlefield. >> even opened his own civil war museum at gettysburg. >> i was conceived on the gettysburg battlefield. yeah. >> on union or confederate side? >> union people. my parents were union people. that's how i came in the world. >> her parents, now deceased were more counter cultural. when she was a child family lived on commune in virginia. >> not really the way the conceptualize hippie commune. >> not like a free love place. >> most people were married. >> they became disenchanted found out it wasn't so utopian. >> i tried to get away from all that but you are lazy and weirdo and drunk just same thing microcosm. >> her father lewis arquette was a journey man actor who took work where he could find it. >> early picture of my father being gone. he had to work really hard to support us. he would do industrial films, commercial. >> for you being an actor didn't mean getting rich. >> not at all. actually it was real struggle to be an actor. >> that makes patricia a fourth generation actor. along with all of her siblings richmond, david, alexis and -- >> your sister rosanna. >> some people say rosanna. because of the song. ♪ pop culture lore pegs her as ins per rakes for 1908s hit by tot o. >> happened to redo it. >> rosanna. >> she encouraged you from the beginning? >> paid for my first acting classes. she said there's always room for another rose in the garden. >> still patricia entered the family profession knowing that in show business talent is no guarantee of success. do you think that there are meryl streeps and marlon brandos who never got cast? >> i think there is a lot of really talented people. the timing and right moment. my dad was very talented, when he was young lot of people thought that he was going to be james dean basically. he didn't happen for my dad like that. i remember talking to my dad later in life, i was like, dad what makes me sad is i don't think you saw your life as successful. you raised five kids you fed five kids as an artist. we got to go to europe. backpacking, who cares we got to see the world. you're successful. i don't see people just because they're dead. >> for the 46-year-old arquette success has meant raising two kids findings work in film and television. >> when you got "medium" what are you doing? >> you're in movies you do art movies why are you doing tv? it was snotty that concept that you can do good entertainment on television. i disagree with that. >> any crime involving electronic devices is cyber. >> arquette's newest project "cs zip i: cyber"on cbs. she's already cleaning up on the award circuit for "boyhood." >> how many pairs of eye glasses do you have? >> a lot of a lot of broken ones i have a lieutenant. >> do you already know which pair you're going to bring to the oscars? >> i haven't thought about it. i guess -- probably smallest one that can fit in a purse. but then you have boyfriend's pocket. >> my daughter taught me to approach work with compassion and gratitude. taught me also how hard it is to make a living as an actor. >> what do you think your parents would think of all the hoopla that surrounds this nomination? >> really a lot. felt my mom a lot in making this. just coming from so many generations of actors to be in this film. >> osgood: ahead -- ne-yo, the man behind the music. ♪ are your joints ready for action? 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[ kevin ] really? ♪ ♪ >> osgood: one of the many millions of football fans watching the super bowl tonight will be the former secretary of state, condoleezza rice. here she is now. >> that will be match up to start with playing for the nfl championship. >> on february 6 2005 the new england patriots and philadelphia eagles played in super bowl xxxviiii in jacksonville, florida. one week earlier on january 28 i was sworn in as the 66th secretary of state. for most people those dates wouldn't matter and wouldn't be related. for me as new top american diplomat i found myself in israel the weekend of super bowl xxxviiii. you see i had attended or watched every single super bowl since i could remember. 38 of them to be exact. and in 2005 i was not about to let that year be any different. my love of football started with my father. daddy was a high school football coach who loved the game. he had wanted me to be his all american linebacker and had i been a son instead of a daughter, i think i might have done it. but instead he taught his little girl to be a student of the game. every week we'd race to the store to get street and smith's pro football report. we would watch the alabama crimson tide on saturdays and cleaved browns on sunday which brings me back to super bowl xxxviiii. kick was at 1:30 a.m. monday morning isreal time. would there be any sports bars open all night? would the hotel sports channel carry american football on tv? could i stay up that late? all important questions and this nfl fan needed answers. my staff had arranged to tape the game in our hotel in jerusalem. i was supposed to get few hours sleep be prepared for the next day, and then i would watch the game later, just couldn't do it. i got up in the middle of the night and watched the game. i predict that patriots would win by three by late feeling by adam vinatieri. >> the 22 yarder. >> final score that year? patriots 24, eagles 21. even half a world away from that stadium and several years after his death i couldn't help but miss my dad and wish he was there with me. to watch the super bowl. discover colgate optic white whiten & protect toothpaste. this shell is made of calcium that can absorb stains. brush one side with regular whitening toothpaste and the other side with optic white. it whitens below the surface. and it can stay white! its whiteseal technology helps prevent stains from coming back. use colgate optic white whiten & protect along with the whole line for whiter teeth in one day. meet the world's newest energy superpower. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's number one natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. supporting millions of new jobs. billions in tax revenue... and a new century of american energy security. the new energy superpower? it's red, white and blue. log on to learn more. you think you take off all your make-up before bed. but do you really? 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[ female announcer ] neutrogena® makeup remover. the performer ne-yo is hear him tell it it's about writing. he speaks with anthony may isn't for the record. >> he's one of the most successful songwriters of the past decade. >> you know a hit when you -- i wish i did. i would be a lot richer if i did. >> you're doing okay. >> i'm doing all right. >> at 32 ne-yo has already written number one hits for rihanna, for beyonce and for himself. >> i am the person who can write a song that a 40-year-old or 14-year-old can all enjoy. i'm that guy. i'm all right with that, that's cool. ♪ >> he's had three platinum albums, won three grammys,. >> ladies and gentlemen mr. meow. >> and in 2012 the songwriters hall of fame gave him their starlight award for gifted young songwriters. >> i'm a songwriter that can sing. this is my grammy. >> i got the sense at least in the beginning you didn't like your own voice. >> i hated it. because i didn't sound like the guy that my mom listened to. that was the old days and teddy pendergrast. >> he was born shaffer smith in camden arkansas. stage name ne-yo was later given to him by producer. at age nine he moved to las vegas with mother and sister after their father left the family. >> i had a lot of penitentiary up aggravation behind that. >> she said, write it down. >> write it down. here. write it down. >> the journals he began to write would become the ground for his songs. >> you up surrounded by a lot of women. >> my mother, my sister, my grandmother and five aunts. and me. >> how did that affect you do you think? >> a lot of the songs i write are from things that went on in that house. over the years that i was there. beyonce record is about one of my aunts and guy that she was dating. to the left, left of the closet. >> when we visited ne-yo at studio in london's power station, he was working on songs for rihanna, a producer had given him a beat to work with. >> from there i put melodies on top that have as well as lyrics. >> again and again he listened to the track waiting for the words to come. you come in here today assuming you're going to leave with a song. >> well, yeah. that's a lot of pressure. >> no? not when -- this is what i do. >> is it ever hard to give up a song that you've written that you know is really good? >> yeah. >> hardest to surrender he says was "take a bow." ♪ >> "take a bow" that's my story. that's one of the first that i was blatantly cheated on by a girl. >> some songs are never finished. in 2009 ne-yo was working on an album with michael jackson. and songs the singer planned to record. >> of course. >> what are you going to do? >> they were supposed to be michael jackson songs. don't give those away. >> ne-yo now has another big hit "time of our lives" with pit bull. and he's just released his 6th album, nonfiction. >> i wouldn't think much to intimidate you at this point? >> why is that? >> you've done a lot. >> i feel like if i ever get to the point where i'm not intimidated i should probably quit because i don't care any more. ♪ i have two kids now. now it's like, take the time to make sure that everything is as good as it could possibly be so that you can feed your kids. the intimidation factor is that much higher now. 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>> only a select few will ever build an nfl team good enough to play in the super bowl. >> we're going to kick the hell out of the other fantasy league. >> millions of americans have found way to get a taste of gridiron glory. >> moms play, grandmothers play. priests, rabbis three different leagues i know about. >> fantasy football. it's a real american sport obsession. ahead on "sunday morning." >> osgood: when it comes to the real game being played later today, everybody wants to see the big picture. lee cowan knows just the people who can make that happen. >> best way to console yourself for not having tickets to argue that now you can see it better on tv anyway. that is partially true. although there's small company in small town that is building these, video scoreboards the size of 757s. >> put one foot in front of the other make sure we didn't stumble. >> the little town with a very big idea. ahead on "sunday morning." >> osgood: just three weeks to go we hear the words "the alleys" in the academy awards. relatively short time span for nominee whose role was a dozen years in the making. mo rocca talks with patricia arquette. >> patricia arquette has had all kinds of gigs in her career. but none like the part she plays in "boyhood." >> did you have any anxiety about movie which an audience would see you age 12 years? >> no. i was excited about that. >> my life is going to go like that. >> the role of a lifetime. ahead on "sunday morning." >> osgood: comes to thinking outside the box at least one fellow is constantly thinking about nothing but the box. not afraid to reveal his obsession. >> who doesn't like a hot cheesy slice of pizza. but what about the box. is that real? >> this is real. >> the world's largest usable pizza box. >> one man's trash becomes another man's treasure. >> this is italian box. >> later on "sunday morning" the art of pizza boxes. >> osgood: bill geist takes us to one of a kind golden oldies show. an exhibit of beloved children's books. anthony mason talks with award winning songwriter ne-yo and more. first, headlines for sunday morning. online video appears to show that the japanese journalist held by isis has been beheaded. reports from the iraqi city of kiir cook. >> to the japanese government. >> toot gruesome video this time japanese journalist kenji goto appears to show his beheading at the hands of isis. wanted to make the world a better place. isis had offered to release goto in return for a failed female suicide bomber on death row in jordan. the jordanian government agreed to free him but only in exchange for one of its own citizen pilot found in isis territory in december. in the end though there was no prisoners, just one more brutal murder. i'm holly williams in kirkuk, iraq. >> osgood: government is ordering new recall some of two million toyota chrysler and mob da vehicles. the problem is air bags that could inflate while the car is running. no reports of deaths or injuries. bobbi kristina brown the daughter of late whitney houston is in medically induced coma. she was rush td to a hospital yesterday as it is story sadly reminiscent to circumstances surrounding her mother's death three years ago. >> bobbi kristina brown was found at her home face down and unconscious in bathtub by her husband nick gordon and friend. she was brought to nearby hospital, officials are not commenting on her condition. incident took place almost three years after brown's mother, six-time grammy winner whitney houston brown drowned in beverly hills. in 2012 interview with oprah brown then 19 the loss of her mother. >> i would have said i would have said, no. i am. >> anthony is contributing editor at "rolling stone" magazine. >> growing up in such a famous family what kind of pressures were on her? >> when your family is not necessarily the spotlights of the best things there was this sense of paying attention to you because your parents are driving themselves over a cliff. >> this morning she remains under observation. for "sunday morning." >> osgood: two balloonists an american and russia sat down off of baja, california, after the end of japan to mexico journey. they much in the gas balloon longer and farther than any balloonists in history. the weather, a big snowstorm sweeping across the eastern half of the country could spoil party for many people today. the week ahead several days of rain in the northwest warming up across the icy northern plains, the southwest will be the best. >> we are pretty big football fans. >> osgood: next -- meet the fans of fantasy football. >> the general has arrived. >> osgood: later. >> don't expect to look on the wall of pizzarera see bright yellow box. wh c at least 100 million americans are expected to be watching the super bowl later today. several million of them will know firsthand just how hard it is to build a championship team. they learned that the hard way by playing online sport that could be called fantastic. emphasis on the word fan. our cover story reported by mark strassmann. >> for millions of football fans, the team that really matters won't be playing in super bowl xlix. this team is not even real. but the season-long anguish over it sure is. >> andrew luck. >> miami. >> it's fantasy football. more than 27 million americans now play in leagues and it generates more than a billion dollars every year. >> it's important to formulate some kind of strategy. >> fantasy football so real it revolutionized the way they watch the nfl. >> over to matthew berry what do you got for us? >> we met a 45-year-old guy who has built an empire on fantasy. >> my name is matthew berry, i am espn's senior fantasy football analyst. that's actually a job. you look at the business card, really? i'm surprised as well. just as surprised as you. that is my actual title. >> it wasn't matthew berry's dream job because back when he was dreaming about jobs this one didn't exist. berry started playing fantasy sports as 14-year-old growing up in college station texas. >> it wasn't for everybody. >> of course not. it was very niche. very sort of nerdy this is before personal computers were common place you did your stats by hand. i was a bit of outkast as a kid. i was looking for like lot of 14-year-olds, anything that just wanted me to be part of it. >> berry moved to hollywood after college and became a successful screen writer. but realized he was living in someone else's fantasy. >> making good money. you kicked it all aside. >> i was miserable. there was website that was looking for writers online. i e-mailed them i said, i'm professional writer living out here in hollywood. but fantasy sports is my passion. i love it. i think it would be be fun to do column on the side. >> his timing was perfect in 2004 when he launched two fantasy websites. fantasy football was taking on. in 2007espn hired him for emerging fantasy. >> super simple. you draft real life nfl players. how well those real life notify players do in real life nfl games. that's it in essence. super easy. real life players. how well they do. >> say you drafted quarterback aaron rodgers with the green bay packers and some sunday he throws four touchdown passes. even if the packers lose, his individual statistics help your fantasy team win. antonio gates he's no. 85 is all-pro tightened with the san diego chargers and star on thousands of fantasy football teams. he says fantasy football has its positives. more interest in the game and in his performance. >> got 10,000 people saying something to you like general manager. you're at the gas station, i had you last week, i told you i needed -- i got you coming up. i need you to play big. the fantasy so big now i witnessed that. because what fans had to say about what they're doing to their fantasy league. >> just like these guys in new jersey -- players in fantasy lesion all over drafted nfl players before the season began and competed often fiercely over the next five months. who is playing fantasy football? >> everyone. everyone is playing fantasy football. kids play. moms play. grandmothers play. priests, rabbis ministers, starts like the start of bad joke but three different lesion. jay-z plays. celebrities play. convicts play. casino owners play. servicemen play. seriously, you name it, they all play. >> 80% of fantasy players are college grads. and fast growing segment 20% of all players are women. >> my team is fumble in the jungle. >> my team name is it's game of thrones. >> i have ruud rebounds. >> i'm sacks in the city. >> meet the gridiron ladies, all women's fantasy league in minnesota. there are dozen nfl fans who knew each other working in state politics. three years ago they launched a fantasy league. >> we are pretty big football fans. we thought why not a little more. first year was small. and it's been growing since. >> what's been the big surprise for you? >> i think just how social it is. the fun that we have in our group, you are checking your phone or you're infrequent of tv you drop in, how is andrew luck doing? >> how competitive is this? >> these girls? >> i don't even play fantasy football any more. get rid of drew brees. >> the fx network called "the league" now in its sixth season. it follows a fantasy league and group of high school buddies who will do anything to win. >> we always say to enjoy the league you don't have to know anything about football or anything about fantasy football just have to have friends that you hate. >> jeff and jackie schaffer the husband and wife creators write and direct. they also compete onset in a fantasy league. >> part of writing the show telling the truth about the current standings of the league's league. >> there's not interview that doesn't go through that she doesn't get to crow that she's in first place. >> the show like any real fantasy league, is partly about football but mostly about camaraderie and human nature. >> people are terrible. whiners, cheats. the worst. they are cry babies. complainers, devious, you get to do this for the smallest stakes imaginable. >> tonight in arizona, the patriots and the seahawks will play for the lombardi trophy. in minnesota the gridiron ladies played for a different prize. >> does the trophy have a name? is there a lombardi throw glee the heel. >> this will be around my house for a few more years. >> it's moving up north. >> she one the heel. it was important to her that we tell you that. and matthew berry understands it. jay-z asked for his help drafting a fantasy team. >> the sports metaphor for life what are fantasy sports a metaphor for? >> life but better. >> i believe country that likes to root. i think as a people whether it's for the guy to get the girl in romantic comedy, the mom to win the dishwasher on the game show, for our fantasy football team to score more points than your fantasy football team ultimately country that likes to root for something. and there's nothing better than collecting your own group of players saying, i think mine are better than yours. >> osgood: ahead. natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. supporting millions of new jobs. billions in tax revenue... and a new century of american energy security. the new energy superpower? 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>> right now i have around 750 maybe few more. >> whole closet. >> not enol thing. >> just the tops. >> this is italian box. >> his collection has pizza boxes from 50 different countries. everywhere from australia to thailand to kazakhstan. >> that is not american looking. >> it's a circle. >> there are variations of familiar classics. and out of the box boxes, a george clooney look alike. a jigsaw puzzle. a racy delivery girl. and a collectible limited edition. there's even a hi-tech one that works with your ipad so you can play video games with your pizza box. >> this little city rises up from the box. >> come on. >> there's a pizzaria in the center. you have to protect it. >> wiener is cheesy obsession started when he was traveling in israel seven years ago. >> when you're in different country you expect the money is different, language is different. different customs. you don't expect to look on the wall and see this bright yellow box with blue writing on it totally rocking it. >> then he started collecting box after box. is that real? >> this is real. this is the world's largest usable pizza box. >> pizza wasn't always transported in boxes. wean sear says in the 1800s metal vessels called stufas were used to carry around pizza in naples where pizza as we know it originated. in the late 19th century, pies made their way to america with the wave of italian immigrants and they were wrapped in cheap news print or paper bags. it wasn't until the 1950s that pizza boxes were actually created. >> when we close this box we made our best. >> domino's was said to be the first toe design the corrugated box that was durable and kept cheese from sticking to the top. this is all pizza boxes. >> it's millions of pizza boxes. >> like 30 feet high. >> yes. >> the president of freeport paper on long island new york which produces about ten million pizza boxes a week and ships all over the world. what's the most popular design? >> in the early years it was always alleged-fashioned pizza guy with a big mustache. more recent years to more of cascade design. >> which is more important the pizza inside or the box? >> the box. >> you're a box guy. >> first thing you see is the box. then you get to enjoy the pizza. >> for less than 60 cents a box pizza locations big and small are able to market themselves using graphics created by people like holly delray a designer at freeport paper. she's crafted over 10,000 different pizza box designs. >> it's silly, even driving around i see them sticking out of garbage cans i'm like, there's my knocks. that makes me feel good. i hope that people enjoy the product that's in the box and outside of the box, too. >> scott wiener sure does. he holds the guiness world record for largest pizza box selection and has written a book about his passion. do people say he's nuts. >> not to my face. i know when i tell somebody that i collect pizza boxes there's almost a moment where i have to take a deep breath prepare myself for the look i'm going to get. >> are you hungry for pizza now? >> yes. absolutely. i haven't had a slice in a day. ♪ >> osgood: next. these folks really know the score. later -- >> osgood: to watch the big game you need a big picture. i mean really big ticketer as lee cowan will show us that's where the folks in the small town of brookings, south dakota, come in. >> here in the plains of south dakota being a football fan can be a bit lonely. closest nfl team is a four hour drive from here. and yet town of brookings, south dakota, has a big stake in tonight's super bowl. because this is where the nfl goes up in lights. how many super bowls have you -- >> my gosh. i think our first major nfl stadium came in possibly in '98. >> that's when this south dakota electronics company fittingly called daktronics entered what is an arms race to build biggest most vivid video scoreboards in football. including this one, that will be used in tonight's big game in arizona. if you're surprised that something that big comes from such a small place, don't worry. that ceo is pretty used to that. >> this is -- what is the reaction when you have hi-tech company in south dakota? >> that is one of the real mental hurdles we have to live with. here we are in south dakota we have hi-tech company and that's -- where is south dakota? you have to position on map for some people. >> all started back in 1968 on campus of south dakota state university, with two friendly engineering professors both south dakota natives. >> i tell people who were rich. >> al, reece's father and duane sander were looking for way to help their students find local jobs. >> we were seeing our students leaving the state and thought we should try to do something to keep our students here. >> they end space entire repair shop off main street in brookings and never really planned to leave. >> you talk to start-up companies, venture capital lists they always talk about their exit strategy. what is your exit strategy. my exit strategy for the company was no exit. >> his first hire a graduate student named jim morgan. he went on to become daktronics c.e.o. years later. back in those days he didn't know what the company was supposed to make. >> didn't have a product when we started. every accomplishment you celebrate. >> they finally put their engineering minds together to build this. a scoreboard for wrestling matches. may look simple but at the time it was revolutionary. and they have never looked back since. >> if somebody was interested in having us build another scoreboard we were willing to do that. >> didn't turn anybody down. >> they were soon building scoreboards for high schools, colleges, you name it. in 1980, daktronics was asked to ply their trade at the winter olympics in lake placid. >> that was really a turning point for us. >> you had literally a worldwide audience looking at what you guys were building here for the olympics. >> good advertising. >> back then they were timing world records. today they are making them. daktronics hold distinction of building the largest video displays in sports is, specifically installed at the home of the jacksonville jaguars. each is bigger than the field the jags play on, 362 feet long, six stories high. and with a price tag to match. coming in nearly $9 million apiece. to really appreciate the size of these things you've got to see them in person. there's almost 22,000 square feet of screen up there. that makes my head big enough to be on mt. rushmore, right now just one of my eyes is almost 11 feet across. that's disconcerting. the nfl is counting on bigger being better. to entice fans off their comfy couches to buy tickets to see the spectacle in person. >> you have many great reasons to stay home. you have your 62" and man cave. i need to provide you with a different kind of experience that you can only get in the venue. >> ray rosen is executive producer of the jags big screen resolution. >> the res solution better than what you get at home. >> four times better than what you get at home. >> screens are constellation of millions of l.e.d.s, about the size of small thumb tack space about half inch apart. standing near them hard to picture a picture all your eyes focus on are red green, blue lights. but back away those clusters miraculously blend together in to a portrait in vivid detail. the panels undergo brutal testing to make sure that they can withstand the elements. >> just feel the heat right away. >> everything from the steamy heat of sun life stadium in miami to the pounding rain and snow of chicago's soldier field. some are even submerged in water. >> it will run for days and weeks without a failure. >> but perhaps biggest test for daktronics has been students at sdsu. where rarely misses a jackrob its game under his scoreboard of course. in the early '80s only 22% of engineering graduates here actually found work near brookings, south dakota. but today that number is closer to 62%. many of daktronics would-be employees now attend class in daktronics hall. >> show the exciting works, demonstrate there is exciting work right here. >> daktronics of course isn't the only manufacturer of stadium big screens mitsubishi turned heads with this massive display at the home of the dallas cowboys. but it's daktronics that has just been awarded the contract to build the biggest scoreboard to date called a halo board the top of the new atlanta stadium. is for the stadium itself to grow. >> are we approaching sort of the biggest they are going to be? >> i think it depends on how large the checkbook is. that will be a factor. >> i guess that's true. >> the checkbook is larger we'll sure try to build it. >> we undoubtedly will watch. so let's do something about it. spent it provides estrogens to help rebuild vaginal tissue and make intercourse more comfortable. premarin vaginal cream treats vaginal changes due to menopause and moderate-to-severe painful intercourse caused by these changes. don't use it if you've had unusual bleeding breast or uterine cancer blood clots, liver problems, stroke or heart attack, are allergic to any of its ingredients or think you're pregnant. side effects may include headache pelvic pain, breast pain vaginal bleeding and vaginitis. estrogens may increase your chances of getting cancer of the uterus, strokes, blood clots or dementia so use it for the shortest time based on goals and risks. estrogen should not be used to prevent heart disease heart attack, stroke or dementia. ask your doctor about premarin vaginal cream. >> osgood: now story that is short and sweet. our faith sailly. >> the title that is far away yet still familiar. treasure island, secret garden, where the wild things are. stories we grew up with still make us smile. >> these are the books we loved as children. these are the books that we loved so much that we read them to our own children. maybe we reread them on the fly ourselves. >> eric is the director of the grolier club in new york. recent weeks it's been the home to exhibit celebrating the books that have been shaping young minds and sparking imaginations for generations. >> you feel as society about childhood. we ideal lies it, we cherish it try to recreate it for our own. >> the illustrations like home away from home. the characters the exhibit traces the history of children's literature as far back as the 1600s. the appeal of some books hasn't quite stood the test of time. orbis sensaulium pictus anyone? early children's books weren't just to entertain. >> the goal was to socialize these kids to educate them to some degree. but to make sure that they didn't grow up to be savages. >> and girls in particular were encouraged to be civilized according to children's literature scholar andrea immel. >> the boys get the best adventures until the 20th century. girls on a smaller stage. they're hat home interacting with siblings or maybe their neighbors. >> even though these books were intended for kids they resonate j as much with adults. >> most of us want to be, make a difference, do the right thing. we're allowed to do that in children's books. become the butterfly. solve the crime. win the kid ditch match. all those things. >> and so as we turn the pages of our own lives these stories find a way to stay with us. >> i think these books twice capture us, right? your experience as reading it with a child seeing it through a child's eyes. then reminiscing about having it read to you. >> and we hope our children love them. >> osgood: you got to lipsync it. >> osgood: ahead, lip >> osgood: stone mountain, georgia, you can hear full blooded voices singing golden oldies. something in the money tan air? bill geist went to hear for himself. >> ♪ come on along listen to the lullaby of broadway ♪ >> way way off broadway park springs retirement community in stone mountain, georgia. residents put on an annual extravaganza. ♪ the talent is stunning. listen to those voices. ♪ >> wait, they're not exactly singing. in the outside world, lip syncing is often scandalous. here 91-year-old director marvin himmel it's an art. ♪ marvin is the lord of lipsync. >> i was the originate or in vaudeville of the lip syncing. i used to call it the early years called pantomimicry. >> he and two college classmates gained a measure of fame mimicking the andrew sisters. after long career of managing conventions, marvin is back doing what he loves. >> they sit down, spotlight. ♪ >> his cast members lipsync so well they sometimes fool people. >> people would come up to my husband say, i didn't know that shirley could sing like that. he would say well those voice lessons finally paid off. ♪ >> lip syncing is a challenge. stop. much too early. >> marvin is a perfectionist. may not be broadway but the show's got to be good. >> my first rehearsal he's barking like a marine drill sergeant. >> the last time i'm going to tell you you're in the doing a duet, you got to lipsync it. >> he's yelling, i'm starting to think, i don't know about this. >> bill arnold considered a child actor. ava at 82 veteran he's been in the show all eight years. >> what is it working with him? >> he's wonderful. he's amazing. >> because they particularly since my wife passed away they are my family. they're my family. >> you love these people but it's a tough love sometimes. >> well, yes. it's a tough love. i tell 'em certain rules. one, you don't talk. i don't need any help. i don't need suggestion just take direction. we can talk about it. >> marvin is producer, director, stage manager and writer. >> i'll buy in to that. >> in weeks and months leading up to the show he can be seen zipping this way and that through the hallways on his golden literider scooter tending to every minute detail. >> washed and styled. somewhat in the era of 1950 style. >> i'm a jewish mother. >> i'm irish. >> try to keep it closed tonight. >> excitement builds as show time nears. >> i'm thrilled, adrenaline is way up. >> the four-night run is completely sold out. >> sit back, reminisce as the cast sings this immediately of familiar show tunes. ♪ ♪ come and meet the dancing feet ♪ from the avenue i'm taking it to ♪ 42nd street ♪ >> the show is combination of these raucous numbers and some touching ones that team particularly poignant. >> am i getting old? >> oh, no not you. >> what do you think this means to these people to be involved in this? >> i'll put it this way. the title of the show is "forever young" that's a big part of it. they feel young. they feel vibrant. ♪ >> what does it mean to you? >> oh, love. i love these people. i love the theater. and i love to be able to create these things. they mean so much to me because they just lift me. >> ♪ listen to the lullaby of broadway ♪ >> osgood: up next lost and found. narrator: gas prices are down helping middle class families. but now, the white house wants to impose title ii regulations on your internet meaning new government taxes and fees. every month: you'd pay more. 11 billion dollars a year in new taxes and fees. internet freedoms can be protected with the white house and congress working together, but imposing new tax increases through public utility style regulations will hurt middle class families let's protect the internet we love without regressive taxes and fees. no to title ii. >> osgood: someone losing a lifetime of memories a page from the past would be welcome. steve hartman has one woman's story. >> one of the residents of this apartment building in hillsboro oregon, is being robbed, slowly robbed, of her memories. >> it seems like a lot of my life is gone and i can't find it. >> 64-year-old rose hill first noticed this about a year ago. >> i was rooting for them to find brain lesions or brain tumor. >> rooting for it? >> i want to know if you know what is causing it maybe you can fix it or make it better. or make it not hurt as bad. >> doctors still don't know if it's dementia or what. have been searching for a cause, rose has been praying to get back at least some of the pieces of her past. that's why it felt like a miracle when some of those memories did resurface at this goodwill outlet, of all places. >> i knew they didn't belong here and i knew i had to find the owner and return them. >> sara head lick was going through the bins here when she saw something that stood out more than her hair even. beneath all these tired books and blank slates she found fascinating read. love letters. all addressed to one rosie hill. rose has no idea how the letters ended up at goodwill. >> i didn't even know we had those. written in 1973 now ex-husband in the vietnam war. no way diminishes the value these letters now hold for her. >> i remember. you smell the smells. you hear the sounds. you feel like you are back in time and place. bought myself $200 of camera. most are about ordinary life. rose says when you suffer from memory loss any recollection feels like total joy. these letters may be 40 years old but they couldn't have come at a better time. which is why rose so grateful for sara. wouldn't say she loves her like a daughter but she did mark her height on the kitchen wall. they do plan to stay in touch. which could make for some very fun new memories. >> osgood: estimate to come. condoleezza rice takes the field. first -- >> i was conceived on the -- talks to patricia arquette. good food choices, i had no idea that it was damaging the enamel of my teeth. i wanted to fix it i wanted to fix it right away. my dentist recommended pronamel. he said that pronamel can make my teeth stronger that it was important, that that is something i could do each day to help protect the enamel of my teeth. pronamel is definitely helping me to lead the life that i want to live. ♪ enjoy more enthusiasm at mealtime, with more varieties of favorite dog food brands at petsmart! right now, get 33% more free on specially marked bags of nutro® natural choice® dog food. only at petsmart®. ♪ there's a big difference between running a race and leading one. ♪ when you're in charge... ♪ you get to call the shots. ♪ how cool is that? 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my funeral. >> did you have any anxiety about which an audience would see you age 12 years? >> no. i was excited. when rick first told me i knew the kids would grow up really fast. i knew ethan and i would get old. i wanted to move in to the next phase of my career leave all the stuff behind. >> that was a string of roles playing the enjenou not that she was run of the mill. >> you are unbelievably cute. >> she broke through in the 199 cult classic "truro manslaughter." playing the sexy survivor alabama whitman. arquette took all kinds of parts, as single mom in real life she had to. >> seems like you were enjoying it. >> the attention, maybe. >> you were really young mother. >> yeah, i was 20 when i had my son. >> how did it affect your life as an actor? >> i recognized that i wouldn't be a successful actor if i wasn't a young mom. i can't do that. you have to do what you have to do to support your kids. >> arquette comes from a long line of actors who know what it takes to put food on the table. this is where it all starts. >> this is where it all started yeah. >> her great grandparents were in vaudeville. and her grandfather cliff was comedy star on the small screen. a couple of people said, wasn't her grandfather charlie webber, they made these bartender dolls. >> grandpa's' was a staple on jack parr's show then hollywood squares. >> he was real kill war buff. he was one of the first people that saw the importance of recognizing battlefield. >> even opened his own civil war museum at gettysburg. >> i was conceived on the gettysburg battlefield. yeah. >> on union or confederate side? >> union people. my parents were union people. that's how i came in the world. >> her parents, now deceased were more counter cultural. when she was a child family lived on commune in virginia. >> not really the way the conceptualize hippie commune. >> not like a free love place. >> most people were married. >> they became disenchanted found out it wasn't so utopian. >> i tried to get away from all that but you are lazy and weirdo and drunk just same thing microcosm. >> her father lewis arquette was a journey man actor who took work where he could find it. >> early picture of my father being gone. he had to work really hard to support us. he would do industrial films, commercial. >> for you being an actor didn't mean getting rich. >> not at all. actually it was real struggle to be an actor. >> that makes patricia a fourth generation actor. along with all of her siblings richmond, david, alexis and -- >> your sister rosanna. >> some people say rosanna. because of the song. ♪ pop culture lore pegs her as ins per rakes for 1908s hit by tot o. >> happened to redo it. >> rosanna. >> she encouraged you from the beginning? >> paid for my first acting classes. she said there's always room for another rose in the garden. >> still patricia entered the family profession knowing that in show business talent is no guarantee of success. do you think that there are meryl streeps and marlon brandos who never got cast? >> i think there is a lot of really talented people. the timing and right moment. my dad was very talented, when he was young lot of people thought that he was going to be james dean basically. he didn't happen for my dad like that. i remember talking to my dad later in life, i was like, dad what makes me sad is i don't think you saw your life as successful. you raised five kids you fed five kids as an artist. we got to go to europe. backpacking, who cares we got to see the world. you're successful. i don't see people just because they're dead. >> for the 46-year-old arquette success has meant raising two kids findings work in film and television. >> when you got "medium" what are you doing? >> you're in movies you do art movies why are you doing tv? it was snotty that concept that you can do good entertainment on television. i disagree with that. >> any crime involving electronic devices is cyber. >> arquette's newest project "cs zip i: cyber"on cbs. she's already cleaning up on the award circuit for "boyhood." >> how many pairs of eye glasses do you have? >> a lot of a lot of broken ones i have a lieutenant. >> do you already know which pair you're going to bring to the oscars? >> i haven't thought about it. i guess -- probably smallest one that can fit in a purse. but then you have boyfriend's pocket. >> my daughter taught me to approach work with compassion and gratitude. taught me also how hard it is to make a living as an actor. >> what do you think your parents would think of all the hoopla that surrounds this nomination? >> really a lot. felt my mom a lot in making this. just coming from so many generations of actors to be in this film. >> osgood: ahead -- ne-yo, the man behind the music. ♪ are your joints ready for action? 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[ kevin ] really? ♪ ♪ >> osgood: one of the many millions of football fans watching the super bowl tonight will be the former secretary of state, condoleezza rice. here she is now. >> that will be match up to start with playing for the nfl championship. >> on february 6 2005 the new england patriots and philadelphia eagles played in super bowl xxxviiii in jacksonville, florida. one week earlier on january 28 i was sworn in as the 66th secretary of state. for most people those dates wouldn't matter and wouldn't be related. for me as new top american diplomat i found myself in israel the weekend of super bowl xxxviiii. you see i had attended or watched every single super bowl since i could remember. 38 of them to be exact. and in 2005 i was not about to let that year be any different. my love of football started with my father. daddy was a high school football coach who loved the game. he had wanted me to be his all american linebacker and had i been a son instead of a daughter, i think i might have done it. but instead he taught his little girl to be a student of the game. every week we'd race to the store to get street and smith's pro football report. we would watch the alabama crimson tide on saturdays and cleaved browns on sunday which brings me back to super bowl xxxviiii. kick was at 1:30 a.m. monday morning isreal time. would there be any sports bars open all night? would the hotel sports channel carry american football on tv? could i stay up that late? all important questions and this nfl fan needed answers. my staff had arranged to tape the game in our hotel in jerusalem. i was supposed to get few hours sleep be prepared for the next day, and then i would watch the game later, just couldn't do it. i got up in the middle of the night and watched the game. i predict that patriots would win by three by late feeling by adam vinatieri. >> the 22 yarder. >> final score that year? patriots 24, eagles 21. even half a world away from that stadium and several years after his death i couldn't help but miss my dad and wish he was there with me. to watch the super bowl. discover colgate optic white whiten & protect toothpaste. this shell is made of calcium that can absorb stains. brush one side with regular whitening toothpaste and the other side with optic white. it whitens below the surface. and it can stay white! its whiteseal technology helps prevent stains from coming back. use colgate optic white whiten & protect along with the whole line for whiter teeth in one day. meet the world's newest energy superpower. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's number one natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. supporting millions of new jobs. billions in tax revenue... and a new century of american energy security. the new energy superpower? it's red, white and blue. log on to learn more. you think you take off all your make-up before bed. but do you really? 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fan participation sport. >> only a select few will ever build an nfl team good enough to play in the super bowl. >> we're going to kick the hell out of the other fantasy league. >> millions of americans have found way to get a taste of gridiron glory. >> moms play, grandmothers play. priests, rabbis three different leagues i know about. >> fantasy football. it's a real american sport obsession. ahead on "sunday morning." >> osgood: when it comes to the real game being played later today, everybody wants to see the big picture. lee cowan knows just the people who can make that happen. >> best way to console yourself for not having tickets to argue that now you can see it better on tv anyway. that is partially true. although there's small company in small town that is building these, video scoreboards the size of 757s. >> put one foot in front of the other make sure we didn't stumble. >> the little town with a very big idea. ahead on "sunday morning." >> osgood: just three weeks to go we hear the words "the alleys" in the academy awards. relatively short time span for nominee whose role was a dozen years in the making. mo rocca talks with patricia arquette. >> patricia arquette has had all kinds of gigs in her career. but none like the part she plays in "boyhood." >> did you have any anxiety about movie which an audience would see you age 12 years? >> no. i was excited about that. >> my life is going to go like that. >> the role of a lifetime. ahead on "sunday morning." >> osgood: comes to thinking outside the box at least one fellow is constantly thinking about nothing but the box. not afraid to reveal his obsession. >> who doesn't like a hot cheesy slice of pizza. but what about the box. is that real? >> this is real. >> the world's largest usable pizza box. >> one man's trash becomes another man's treasure. >> this is italian box. >> later on "sunday morning" the art of pizza boxes. >> osgood: bill geist takes us to one of a kind golden oldies show. an exhibit of beloved children's books. anthony mason talks with award winning songwriter ne-yo and more. first, headlines for sunday morning. online video appears to show that the japanese journalist held by isis has been beheaded. reports from the iraqi city of kiir cook. >> to the japanese government. >> toot gruesome video this time japanese journalist kenji goto appears to show his beheading at the hands of isis. wanted to make the world a betterpl ace. isis had offered to release goto in return for a failed female suicide bomber on death row in jordan. the jordanian government agreed to free him but only in exchange for one of its own citizen pilot found in isis territory in december. in the end though there was no prisoners, just one more brutal murder. i'm holly williams in kirkuk, iraq. >> osgood: government is ordering new recall some of two million toyota chrysler and mob da vehicles. the problem is air bags that could inflate while the car is running. no reports of deaths or injuries. bobbi kristina brown the daughter of late whitney houston is in medically induced coma. she was rush td to a hospital yesterday as it is story sadly reminiscent to circumstances surrounding her mother's death three years ago. >> bobbi kristina brown was found at her home face down and unconscious in bathtub by her husband nick gordon and friend. she was brought to nearby hospital, officials are not commenting on her condition. incident took place almost three years after brown's mother, six-time grammy winner whitney houston brown drowned in beverly hills. in 2012 interview with oprah brown then 19 the loss of her mother. >> i would have said i would have said, no. i am. >> anthony is contributing editor at "rolling stone" magazine. >> growing up in such a famous family what kind of pressures were on her? >> when your family is not necessarily the spotlights of the best things there was this sense of paying attention to you because your parents are driving themselves over a cliff. >> this morning she remains under observation. for "sunday morning." >> osgood: two balloonists an american and russia sat down off of baja, california, after the end of japan to mexico journey. they much in the gas balloon longer and farther than any balloonists in history. the weather, a big snowstorm sweeping across the eastern half of the country could spoil party for many people today. the week ahead several days of rain in the northwest warming up across the icy northern plains, the southwest will be the best. >> we are pretty big football fans. >> osgood: next -- meet the fans of fantasy football. >> the general has arrived. >> osgood: later. >> don't expect to look on the wall of pizzarera see bright yellow box. rrator: gas prices are down helping middle class families. but now, the white house wants to impose title ii regulations on your internet meaning new government taxes and fees. every month: you'd pay more. 11 billion dollars a year in new taxes and fees. internet freedoms can be protected with the white house and congress working together, but imposing new tax increases through public utility style regulations will hurt middle class families let's protect the internet we love without regressive taxes and fees. no to title ii. c at least 100 million americans are expected to be watching the super bowl later today. several million of them will know firsthand just how hard it is to build a championship team. they learned that the hard way by playing online sport that could be called fantastic. emphasis on the word fan. our cover story reported by mark strassmann. >> for millions of football fans, the team that really matters won't be playing in super bowl xlix. this team is not even real. but the season-long anguish over it sure is. >> andrew luck. >> miami. >> it's fantasy football. more than 27 million americans now play in leagues and it generates more than a billion dollars every year. >> it's important to formulate some kind of strategy. >> fantasy football so real it revolutionized the way they watch the nfl. >> over to matthew berry what do you got for us? >> we met a 45-year-old guy who has built an empire on fantasy. >> my name is matthew berry, i am espn's senior fantasy football analyst. that's actually a job. you look at the business card, really? i'm surprised as well. just as surprised as you. that is my actual title. >> it wasn't matthew berry's dream job because back when he was dreaming about jobs this one didn't exist. berry started playing fantasy sports as 14-year-old growing up in college station texas. >> it wasn't for everybody. >> of course not. it was very niche. very sort of nerdy this is before personal computers were common place you did your stats by hand. i was a bit of outkast as a kid. i was looking for like lot of 14-year-olds, anything that just wanted me to be part of it. >> berry moved to hollywood after college and became a successful screen writer. but realized he was living in someone else's fantasy. >> making good money. you kicked it all aside. >> i was miserable. there was website that was looking for writers online. i e-mailed them i said, i'm professional writer living out here in hollywood. but fantasy sports is my passion. i love it. i think it would be be fun to do column on the side. >> his timing was perfect in 2004 when he launched two fantasy websites. fantasy football was taking on. in 2007espn hired him for emerging fantasy. >> super simple. you draft real life nfl players. how well those real life notify players do in reale lif nfl games. that's it in essence. pe sur easy. real life players. how well they do. >> say you drafted quarterback aaron rodgers with the green bay packers and some sunday he throws four touchdown passes. even if the packers lose, his individual statistics help your fantasy team win. antonio gates he's no. 85 is all-pro tightened with the san diego chargers and star on thousands of fantasy football teams. he says fantasy football has its positives. more interest in the game and in his performance. >> got 10,000 people saying something to you like general manager. you're at the gas station, i had you last week, i told you i needed -- i got you coming up. i need you to play big. the fantasy so big now i witnessed that. because what fans had to say about what they're doing to their fantasy league. >> just like these guys in new jersey -- players in fantasy lesion all over drafted nfl players before the season began and competed often fiercely over the next five months. who is playing fantasy football? >> everyone. everyone is playing fantasy football. kids play. moms play. grandmothers play. priests, rabbis ministers, starts like the start of bad joke but three different lesion. jay-z plays. celebrities play. convicts play. casino owners play. servicemen play. seriously, you name it, they all play. >> 80% of fantasy players are college grads. and fast growing segment 20% of all players are women. >> my team is fumble in the jungle. >> my team name is it's game of thrones. >> i have ruud rebounds. >> i'm sacks in the city. >> meet the gridiron ladies, all women's fantasy league in minnesota. there are dozen nfl fans who knew each other working in state politics. three years ago they launched a fantasy league. >> we are pretty big football fans. we thought why not a little more. first year was small. and it's been growing since. >> what's been the big surprise for you? >> i think just how social it is. the fun that we have in our group, you are checking your phone or you're infrequent of tv you drop in, how is andrew luck doing? >> how competitive is this? >> these girls? >> i don't even play fantasy football any more. get rid of drew brees. >> the fx network called "the league" now in its sixth season. it follows a fantasy league and group of high school buddies who will do anything to win. >> we always say to enjoy the league you don't have to know anything about football or anything about fantasy football just have to have friends that you hate. >> jeff and jackie schaffer the husband and wife creators write and direct. they also compete onset in a fantasy league. >> part of writing the show telling the truth about the current standings of the league's league. >> there's not interview that doesn't go through that she doesn't get to crow that she's in first place. >> the show like any real fantasy league, is partly about football but mostly about camaraderie and human nature. >> people are terrible. whiners, cheats. the worst. they are cry babies. complainers, devious, you get to do this for the smallest stakes imaginable. >> tonight in arizona, the patriots and the seahawks will play for the lombardi trophy. in minnesota the gridiron ladies played for a different prize. >> does the trophy have a name? is there a lombardi throw glee the heel. >> this will be around my house for a few more years. >> it's moving up north. >> she one the heel. it was important to her that we tell you that. and matthew berry understands it. jay-z asked for his help drafting a fantasy team. >> the sports metaphor for life what are fantasy sports a metaphor for? >> life but better. >> i believe country that likes to root. i think as a people whether it's for the guy to get the girl in romantic comedy, the mom to win the dishwasher on the game show, for our fantasy football team to score more points than your fantasy football team ultimately country that likes to root for something. and there's nothing better than collecting your own group of players saying, i think mine are better than yours. >> osgood: ahead. natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. supporting millions of new jobs. billions in tax revenue... and a new century of american energy security. the new energy superpower? 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>> right now i have around 750 maybe few more. >> whole closet. >> not enol thing. >> just the tops. >> this is italian box. >> his collection has pizza boxes from 50 different countries. everywhere from australia to thailand to kazakhstan. >> that is not american looking. >> it's a circle. >> there are variations of familiar classics. and out of the box boxes, a george clooney look alike. a jigsaw puzzle. a racy delivery girl. and a collectible limited edition. there's even a hi-tech one that works with your ipad so you can play video games with your pizza box. >> this little city rises up from the box. >> come on. >> there's a pizzaria in the center. you have to protect it. >> wiener is cheesy obsession started when he was traveling in israel seven years ago. >> when you're in different country you expect the money is different, language is different. different customs. you don't expect to look on the wall and see this bright yellow box with blue writing on it totally rocking it. >> then he started collecting box after box. is that real? >> this is real. this is the world's largest usable pizza box. >> pizza wasn't always transported in boxes. wean sear says in the 1800s metal vessels called stufas were used to carry around pizza in naples where pizza as we know it originated. in the late 19th century, pies made their way to america with the wave of italian immigrants and they were wrapped in cheap news print or paper bags. it wasn't until the 1950s that pizza boxes were actually created. >> when we close this box we made our best. >> domino's was said to be the first toe design the corrugated box that was durable and kept cheese from sticking to the top. this is all pizza boxes. >> it's millions of pizza boxes. >> like 30 feet high. >> yes. >> the president of freeport paper on long island new york which produces about ten million pizza boxes a week and ships all over the world. what's the most popular design? >> in the early years it was always alleged-fashioned pizza guy with a big mustache. more recent years to more of cascade design. >> which is more important the pizza inside or the box? >> the box. >> you're a box guy. >> first thing you see is the box. then you get to enjoy the pizza. >> for less than 60 cents a box pizza locations big and small are able to market themselves using graphics created by people like holly delray a designer at freeport paper. she's crafted over 10,000 different pizza box designs. >> it's silly, even driving around i see them sticking out of garbage cans i'm like, there's my knocks. that makes me feel good. i hope that people enjoy the product that's in the box and outside of the box, too. >> scott wiener sure does. he holds the guiness world record for largest pizza box selection and has written a book about his passion. do people say he's nuts. >> not to my face. i know when i tell somebody that i collect pizza boxes there's almost a moment where i have to take a deep breath prepare myself for the look i'm going to get. >> are you hungry for pizza now? >> yes. absolutely. i haven't had a slice in a day. ♪ >> osgood: next. these folks really know the score. later -- >> osgood: to watch the big game you need a big picture. i mean really big ticketer as lee cowan will show us that's where the folks in the small town of brookings, south dakota, come in. >> here in the plains of south dakota being a football fan can be a bit lonely. closest nfl team is a four hour drive from here. and yet town of brookings, south dakota, has a big stake in tonight's super bowl. because this is where the nfl goes up in lights. how many super bowls have you -- >> my gosh. i think our first major nfl stadium came in possibly in '98. >> that's when this south dakota electronics company fittingly called daktronics entered what is an arms race to build biggest most vivid video scoreboards in football. including this one, that will be used in tonight's big game in arizona. if you're surprised that something that big comes from such a small place, don't worry. that ceo is pretty used to that. >> this is -- what is the reaction when you have hi-tech company in south dakota? >> that is one of the real mental hurdles we have to live with. here we are in south dakota we have hi-tech company and that's -- where is south dakota? you have to position on map for some people. >> all started back in 1968 on campus of south dakota state university, with two friendly engineering professors both south dakota natives. >> i tell people who were rich. >> al, reece's father and duane sander were looking for way to help their students find local jobs. >> we were seeing our students leaving the state and thought we should try to do something to keep our students here. >> they end space entire repair shop off main street in brookings and never really planned to leave. >> you talk to start-up companies, venture capital lists they always talk about their exit strategy. what is your exit strategy. myxi et strategy for the company was no exit. >> his first hire a graduate student named jim morgan. he went on to become daktronics c.e.o. years later. back in those days he didn't know what the company was supposed to make. >> didn't have a product when we started. every accomplishment you celebrate. >> they finally put their engineering minds together to build this. a scoreboard for wrestling matches. may look simple but at the time it was revolutionary. and they have never looked back since. >> if somebody was interested in having us build another scoreboard we were willing to do that. >> didn't turn anybody down. >> they were soon building scoreboards for high schools, colleges, you name it. in 1980, daktronics was asked to ply their trade at the winter olympics in lake placid. >> that was really a turning point for us. >> you had literally a worldwide audience looking at what you guys were building here for the olympics. >> good advertising. >> back then they were timing world records. today they are making them. daktronics hold distinction of building the largest video displays in sports is, specifically installed at the home of the jacksonville jaguars. each is bigger than the field the jags play on, 362 feet long, six stories high. and with a price tag to match. coming in nearly $9 million apiece. to really appreciate the size of these things you've got to see them in person. there's almost 22,000 square feet of screen up there. that makes my head big enough to be on mt. rushmore, right now just one of my eyes is almost 11 feet across. that's disconcerting. the nfl is counting on bigger being better. to entice fans off their comfy couches to buy tickets to see the spectacle in person. >> you have many great reasons to stay home. you have your 62" and man cave. i need to provide you with a different kind of experience that you can only get in the venue. >> ray rosen is executive producer of the jags big screen resolution. >> the res solution better than what you get at home. >> four times better than what you get at home. >> screens are constellation of millions of l.e.d.s, about the size of small thumb tack space about half inch apart. standing near them hard to picture a picture all your eyes focus on are red green, blue lights. but back away those clusters miraculously blend together in to a portrait in vivid detail. the panels undergo brutal testing to make sure that they can withstand the elements. >> just feel the heat right away. >> everything from the steamy heat of sun life stadium in miami to the pounding rain and snow of chicago's soldier field. some are even submerged in water. >> it will run for days and weeks without a failure. >> but perhaps biggest test for daktronics has been students at sdsu. where rarely misses a jackrob its game under his scoreboard of course. in the early '80s only 22% of engineering graduates here actually found work near brookings, south dakota. but today that number is closer to 62%. many of daktronics would-be employees now attend class in daktronics hall. >> show the exciting works, demonstrate there is exciting work right here. >> daktronics of course isn't the only manufacturer of stadium big screens mitsubishi turned heads with this massive display at the home of the dallas cowboys. but it's daktronics that has just been awarded the contract to build the biggest scoreboard to date called a halo board the top of the new atlanta stadium. is for the stadium itself to grow. >> are we approaching sort of the biggest they are going to be? >> i think it depends on how large the checkbook is. that will be a factor. >> i guess that's true. >> the checkbook is larger we'll sure try to build it. >> we undoubtedly will watch. so let's do something about it. spent it provides estrogens to help rebuild vaginal tissue and make intercourse more comfortable. premarin vaginal cream treats vaginal changes due to menopause and moderate-to-severe painful intercourse caused by these changes. don't use it if you've had unusual bleeding breast or uterine cancer blood clots, liver problems, stroke or heart attack, are allergic to any of its ingredients or think you're pregnant. side effects may include headache pelvic pain, breast pain vaginal bleeding and vaginitis. estrogens may increase your chances of getting cancer of the uterus, strokes, blood clots or dementia so use it for the shortest time based on goals and risks. estrogen should not be used to prevent heart disease heart attack, stroke or dementia. ask your doctor about premarin vaginal cream. >> osgood: now story that is short and sweet. our faith sailly. >> the title that is far away yet still familiar. treasure island, secret garden, where the wild things are. stories we grew up with still make us smile. >> these are the books we loved as children. these are the books that we loved so much that we read them to our own children. maybe we reread them on the fly ourselves. >> eric is the director of the grolier club in new york. recent weeks it's been the home to exhibit celebrating the books that have been shaping young minds and sparking imaginations for generations. >> you feel as society about childhood. we ideal lies it, we cherish it try to recreateit for our own. >> the illustrations like home away from home. the characters the exhibit traces the history of children's literature as far back as the 1600s. the appeal of some books hasn't quite stood the test of time. orbis sensaulium pictus anyone? early children's books weren't just to entertain. >> the goal was to socialize these kids to educate them to some degree. but to make sure that they didn't grow up to be savages. >> and girls in particular were encouraged to be civilized according to children's literature scholar andrea immel. >> the boys get the best adventures until the 20th century. girls on a smaller stage. they're hat home interacting with siblings or maybe their neighbors. >> even though these books were intended for kids they resonate j as much with adults. >> most of us want to be, make a difference, do the right thing. we're allowed to do that in children's books. become the butterfly. solve the crime. win the kid ditch match. all those things. >> and so as we turn the pages of our own lives these stories find a way to stay with us. >> i think these books twice capture us, right? your experience as reading it with a child seeing it through a child's eyes. then reminiscing about having it read to you. >> and we hope our children love them. >> osgood: you got to lipsync it. >> osgood: ahead, lip syncing for the ages. make us stronger. when a girl connects with a science mentor... her confidence grows. when schools connect with technology... a 5th grader's world opens up. and when a worker connects to online degrees... his opportunities multiply. the at&t aspire initiative. helping students and communities across america. >> osgood: stone mountain, georgia, you can hear full blooded voices singing golden oldies. something in the money tan air? bill geist went to hear for himself. >> ♪ come on along listen to the lullaby of broadway ♪ >> way way off broadway park springs retirement community in stone mountain, georgia. residents put on an annual extravaganza. ♪ the talent is stunning. listen to those voices. ♪ >> wait, they're not exactly singing. in the outside world, lip syncing is often scandalous. here 91-year-old director marvin himmel it's an art. ♪ marvin is the lord of lipsync. >> i was the originate or in vaudeville of the lip syncing. i used to call it the early years called pantomimicry. >> he and two college classmates gained a measure of fame mimicking the andrew sisters. after long career of managing conventions, marvin is back doing what he loves. >> they sit down, spotlight. ♪ >> his cast members lipsync so well they sometimes fool people. >> people would come up to my husband say, i didn't know that shirley could sing like that. he would say well those voice lessons finally paid off. ♪ >> lip syncing is a challenge. stop. much too early. >> marvin is a perfectionist. may not be broadway but the show's got to be good. >> my first rehearsal he's barking like a marine drill sergeant. >> the last time i'm going to tell you you're in the doing a duet, you got to lipsync it. >> he's yelling, i'm starting to think, i don't know about this. >> bill arnold considered a child actor. ava at 82 veteran he's been in the show all eight years. >> what is it working with him? >> he's wonderful. he's amazing. >> because they particularly since my wife passed away they are my family. they're my family. >> you love these people but it's a tough love sometimes. >> well, yes. it's a tough love. i tell 'em certain rules. one, you don't talk. i don't need any help. i don't need suggestion just take direction. we can talk about it. >> marvin is producer, director, stage manager and writer. >> i'll buy in to that. >> in weeks and months leading up to the show he can be seen zipping this way and that through the hallways on his golden literider scooter tending to every minute detail. >> washed and styled. somewhat in the era of 1950 style. >> i'm a jewish mother. >> i'm irish. >> try to keep it closed tonight. >> excitement builds as show time nears. >> i'm thrilled, adrenaline is way up. >> the four-night run is completely sold out. >> sit back, reminisce as the cast sings this immediately of familiar show tunes. ♪ ♪ come and meet the dancing feet ♪ from the avenue i'm taking it to ♪ 42nd street ♪ >> the show is combination of these raucous numbers and some touching ones that team particularly poignant. >> am i getting old? >> oh, no not you. >> what do you think this means to these people to be involved in this? >> i'll put it this way. the title of the show is "forever young" that's a big part of it. they feel young. they feel vibrant. ♪ >> what does it mean to you? >> oh, love. i love these people. i love the theater. and i love to be able to create these things. they mean so much to me because they just lift me. >> ♪ listen to the lullaby of broadway ♪ >> osgood: up next lost and found. >> osgood: someone losing a lifetime of memories a page from the past would be welcome. steve hartman has one woman's story. >> one of the residents of this apartment building in hillsboro oregon, is being robbed, slowly robbed, of her memories. >> it seems like a lot of my life is gone and i can't find it. >> 64-year-old rose hill first noticed this about a year ago. >> i was rooting for them to find brain lesions or brain tumor. >> rooting for it? >> i want to know if you know what is causing it maybe you can fix it or make it better. or make it not hurt as bad. >> doctors still don't know if it's dementia or what. have been searching for a cause, rose has been praying to get back at least some of the pieces of her past. that's why it felt like a miracle when some of those memories did resurface at this goodwill outlet, of all places. >> i knew they didn't belong here and i knew i had to find the owner and return them. >> sara head lick was going through the bins here when she saw something that stood out more than her hair even. beneath all these tired books and blank slates she found fascinating read. love letters. all addressed to one rosie hill. rose has no idea how the letters ended up at goodwill. >> i didn't even know we had those. written in 1973 now ex-husband in the vietnam war. no way diminishes the value these letters now hold for her. >> i remember. you smell the smells. you hear the sounds. you feel like you are back in time and place. bought myself $200 of camera. most are about ordinary life. rose says when you suffer from memory loss any recollection feels like total joy. these letters may be 40 years old but they couldn't have come at a better time. which is why rose so grateful for sara. wouldn't say she loves her like a daughter but she did mark her height on the kitchen wall. they do plan to stay in touch. which could make for some very fun new memories. >> osgood: estimate to come. condoleezza rice takes the field. first -- >> i was conceived on the -- talks to patricia arquette. good food choices, i had no idea that it was damaging the enamel of my teeth. i wanted to fix it i wanted to fix it right away. my dentist recommended pronamel. he said that pronamel can make my teeth stronger that it was important, that that is something i could do each day to help protect the enamel of my teeth. pronamel is definitely helping me to lead the life that i want to live. ♪ enjoy more enthusiasm at mealtime, with more varieties of favorite dog food brands at petsmart! right now, get 33% more free on specially marked bags of nutro® natural choice® dog food. only at petsmart®. ♪ there's a big difference between running a race and leading one. ♪ when you're in charge... ♪ you get to call the shots. ♪ how cool is that? ♪ the 2015 corolla. ♪ toyota. let's go places. >> osgood: patricia arquette is oscar nominee for her role in the movie "boyhood" will i.t. be her name we hear? anything but a bit part, lord knows it's taken a long time to do it. as she explains to mo rocca. >> patricia arquette is completing a journey a dozen years in the making. one that began with a phone call from director richard linklater. >> called me what are you going to be doing the next 12 years. i didn't know what he was talking about. well, probably be raising my son. >> his pitch was an audacious one. movie called "boyhood" story about a family that would be filmed over 12 years. a fictional tale told in realtime. >> are you thinking of me? he was like, yeah, i was wondering if you might be interested. i was like i'm in. i should probably ask what my part is. i'm in anyway, what is my part? he says, you're the mom. i thought cool. maybe i'll be in two scenes. don't forget your bat! >> i'm doing the best i can. you're right it sucks. but it doesn't suck half as much as having -- slam your head against wall. >> in portrayal of struggling single mom. the movie is as much about her growth as it is about the kid's. >> doesn't mean it was healthy for us. >> arquette and ethan hawk who plays her ex-husband are both nominated for oscars. her child's costars are l.r.coltrane and lorelei linklater. >> just the whole way rick works so different. he introduced me to the kids, moved out of his house. i had the kids alone all weekend, i tuck them in bed, read them stories. >> it was such a long commitment at some point did you go, oh, my god if this thing craters i spent nine, ten years. >> i think it of like six or seven years. yeah, this would really suck. >> you know what is next? my funeral. >> did you have any anxiety about which an audience would see you age 12 years? >> no. i was excited. when rick first told me i knew the kids would grow up really fast. i knew ethan and i would get old. i wanted to move in to the next phase of my career leave all the stuff behind. >> that was a string of roles playing the enjenou not that she was run of the mill. >> you are unbelievably cute. >> she broke through in the 199 cult classic "truro manslaughter." playing the sexy survivor alabama whitman. arquette took all kinds of parts, as single mom in real life she had to. >> seems like you were enjoying it. >> the attention, maybe. >> you were really young mother. >> yeah, i was 20 when i had my son. >> how did it affect your life as an actor? >> i recognized that i wouldn't be a successful actor if i wasn't a young mom. i can't do that. you have to do what you have to do to support your kids. >> arquette comes from a long line of actors who know what it takes to put food on the table. this is where it all starts. >> this is where it all started yeah. >> her great grandparents were in vaudeville. and her grandfather cliff was comedy star on the small screen. a couple of people said, wasn't her grandfather charlie webber, they made these bartender dolls. >> grandpa's' was a staple on jack parr's show then hollywood squares. >> he was real kill war buff. he was one of the first people that saw the importance of recognizing battlefield. >> even opened his own civil war museum at gettysburg. >> i was conceived on the gettysburg battlefield. yeah. >> on union or confederate side? >> union people. my parents were union people. that's how i came in the world. >> her parents, now deceased were more counter cultural. when she was a child family lived on commune in virginia. >> not really the way the conceptualize hippie commune. >> not like a free love place. >> most people were married. >> they became disenchanted found out it wasn't so utopian. >> i tried to get away from all that but you are lazy and weirdo and drunk just same thing microcosm. >> her father lewis arquette was a journey man actor who took work where he could find it. >> early picture of my father being gone. he had to work really hard to support us. he would do industrial films, commercial. >> for you being an actor didn't mean getting rich. >> not at all. actually it was real struggle to be an actor. >> that makes patricia a fourth generation actor. along with all of her siblings richmond, david, alexis and -- >> your sister rosanna. >> some people say rosanna. because of the song. ♪ pop culture lore pegs her as ins per rakes for 1908s hit by tot o. >> happened to redo it. >> rosanna. >> she encouraged you from the beginning? >> paid for my first acting classes. she said there's always room for another rose in the garden. >> still patricia entered the family profession knowing that in show business talent is no guarantee of success. do you think that there are meryl streeps and marlon brandos who never got cast? >> i think there is a lot of really talented people. the timing and right moment. my dad was very talented, when he was young lot of people thought that he was going to be james dean basically. he didn't happen for my dad like that. i remember talking to my dad later in life, i was like, dad what makes me sad is i don't think you saw your life as successful. you raised five kids you fed five kids as an artist. we got to go to europe. backpacking, who cares we got to see the world. you're successful. i don't see people just because they're dead. >> for the 46-year-old arquette success has meant raising two kids findings work in film and television. >> when you got "medium" what are you doing? >> you're in movies you do art movies why are you doing tv? it was snotty that concept that you can do good entertainment on television. i disagree with that. >> any crime involving electronic devices is cyber. >> arquette's newest project "cs zip i: cyber"on cbs. she's already cleaning up on the award circuit for "boyhood." >> how many pairs of eye glasses do you have? >> a lot of a lot of broken ones i have a lieutenant. >> do you already know which pair you're going to bring to the oscars? >> i haven't thought about it. i guess -- probably smallest one that can fit in a purse. but then you have boyfriend's pocket. >> my daughter taught me to approach work with compassion and gratitude. taught me also how hard it is to make a living as an actor. >> what do you think your parents would think of all the hoopla that surrounds this nomination? >> really a lot. felt my mom a lot in making this. just coming from so many generations of actors to be in this film. >> osgood: ahead -- ne-yo, the man behind the music. ♪ are your joints ready for action? 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[ kevin ] really? ♪ ♪ >> osgood: one of the many millions of football fans watching the super bowl tonight will be the former secretary of state, condoleezza rice. here she is now. >> that will be match up to start with playing for the nfl championship. >> on february 6 2005 the new england patriots and philadelphia eagles played in super bowl xxxviiii in jacksonville, florida. one week earlier on january 28 i was sworn in as the 66th secretary of state. for most people those dates wouldn't matter and wouldn't be related. for me as new top american diplomat i found myself in israel the weekend of super bowl xxxviiii. you see i had attended or watched every single super bowl since i could remember. 38 of them to be exact. and in 2005 i was not about to let that year be any different. my love of football started with my father. daddy was a high school football coach who loved the game. he had wanted me to be his all american linebacker and had i been a son instead of a daughter, i think i might have done it. but instead he taught his little girl to be a student of the game. every week we'd race to the store to get street and smith's pro football report. we would watch the alabama crimson tide on saturdays and cleaved browns on sunday which brings me back to super bowl xxxviiii. kick was at 1:30 a.m. monday morning isreal time. would there be any sports bars open all night? would the hotel sports channel carry american football on tv? could i stay up that late? all important questions and this nfl fan needed answers. my staff had arranged to tape the game in our hotel in jerusalem. i was supposed to get few hours sleep be prepared for the next day, and then i would watch the game later, just couldn't do it. i got up in the middle of the night and watched the game. i predict that patriots would win by three by late feeling by adam vinatieri. >> the 22 yarder. >> final score that year? patriots 24, eagles 21. even half a world away from that stadium and several years after his death i couldn't help but miss my dad and wish he was there with me. to watch the super bowl. discover colgate optic white whiten & protect toothpaste. this shell is made of calcium that can absorb stains. brush one side with regular whitening toothpaste and the other side with optic white. it whitens below the surface. and it can stay white! its whiteseal technology helps prevent stains from coming back. use colgate optic white whiten & protect along with the whole line for whiter teeth in one day. meet the world's newest energy superpow er. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's number one natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. supporting millions of new jobs. billions in tax revenu e... and a new century of american energy security. the new energy superpower? it's red, white and blue. log on to learn more. you think you take off all your make-up before bed. but do you really? 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[ female announcer ] neutrogena® makeup remover. the performer ne-yo is hear him tell it it's about writing. he speaks with anthony may isn't for the record. >> he's one of the most successful songwriters of the past decade. >> you know a hit when you -- i wish i did. i would be a lot richer if i did. >> you're doing okay. >> i'm doing all right. >> at 32 ne-yo has already written number one hits for rihanna, for beyonce and for himself. >> i am the person who can write a song that a 40-year-old or 14-year-old can all enjoy. i'm that guy. i'm all right with that, that's cool. ♪ >> he's had three platinum albums, won three grammys,. >> ladies and gentlemen mr. meow. >> and in 2012 the songwriters hall of fame gave him their starlight award for gifted young songwriters. >> i'm a songwriter that can sing. this is my grammy. >> i got the sense at least in the beginning you didn't like your own voice. >> i hated it. because i didn't sound like the guy that my mom listened to. that was the old days and teddy pendergrast. >> he was born shaffer smith in camden arkansas. stage name ne-yo was later given to him by producer. at age nine he moved to las vegas with mother and sister after their father left the family. >> i had a lot of penitentiary up aggravation behind that. >> she said, write it down. >> write it down. here. write it down. >> the journals he began to write would become the ground for his songs. >> you up surrounded by a lot of women. >> my mother, my sister, my grandmother and five aunts. and me. >> how did that affect you do you think? >> a lot of the songs i write are from things that went on in that house. over the years that i was there. beyonce record is about one of my aunts and guy that she was dating. to the left, left of the closet. >> when we visited ne-yo at studio in london's power station, he was working on songs for rihanna, a producer had given him a beat to work with. >> from there i put melodies on top that have as well as lyrics. >> again and again he listened to the track waiting for the words to come. you come in here today assuming you're going to leave with a song. >> well, yeah. that's a lot of pressure. >> no? not when -- this is what i do. >> is it ever hard to give up a song that you've written that you know is really good? >> yeah. >> hardest to surrender he says was "take a bow." ♪ >> "take a bow" that's my story. that's one of the first that i was blatantly cheated on by a girl. >> some songs are never finished. in 2009 ne-yo was working on an album with michael jackson. and songs the singer planned to record. >> of course. >> what are you going to do? >> they were supposed to be michael jackson songs. don't give those away. >> ne-yo now has another big hit "time of our lives" with pit bull. and he's just released his 6th album, nonfiction. >> i wouldn't think much to intimidate you at this point? >> why is that? >> you've done a lot. >> i feel like if i ever get to the point where i'm not intimidated i should probably quit because i don't care any more. ♪ i have two kids now. now it's like, take the time to make sure that everything is as good as it could possibly be so that you can feed your kids. the intimidation factor is that much higher now. 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stuffed in a file cabinet and ignored along with 13,000 other claims filed between 2006 and 2009. cbs reporter wyatt andrews tracked down the whistle blowers. >> every other piece of paper i touched was for a person who passed away. >> reporter: her job was to process the lost claims once they were found but she and other whistle blowers say supervisors ordered her and the rest of the team to label most claims no action necessary. denying benefits to veterans who deserved them. >> we pulled 15 indiscriminantly to look at. eight of them were owed money. was one owed $36,000. they took them, they put them in a file and they stuffed them away. >> reporter: dori stafford is now scraping by in northern california liveing in a home with no electricity wondering the the benefits her husband never received could help her now. >> a modest pension. even say 400 a month, it would so help. >> this is a national disgrace. and the va is admitting a lot of veterans were denied benefits because of this poor recordkeeping. how many people are we talking about? >> reporter: they really can't say exactly how many because thousands of records were missing. they have this new electronic system now that minimizes any risk of delays so i think they are hoping this upgrade prevents things like this in the future. these people really needed the help. >> thank you christin. tonight, a fight in a driveway ended with one man dead. it ended just before 3:00 p.m. at marigold place in hercules. after someone called 911 to report a fight, police found a trail of blood leading from the car to the house and inside the house was a bloodied woman. tonight, she is in critical condition. officers went in the garage and found a man's body. police are not sure what happened and how the man wound up in the garage, especially after the 911 caller said. >> he said he saw two males fighting in the driveway. one was on top of the other and appeared to be choking him. >> reporter: police arrested the suspect a short time lateener the same neighborhood. he had blood on his hands. this is the first homicide in hercules since 2012. we have learned three men are under arrest for allegedly holding a woman hostage and sexually assaulting her. the woman says she was kidnapped and held for weeks at a compound on stony point road in santa rosa. she managed to escape last week when a door was left open. two of the suspects are from santa rosa. a third is from watsonville. the sonoma county sheriff says the investigation is still going. the feds have nabbed three would be terrorists. two of them were picked up at jfk airport this morning as they were getting ready to fly to turkey. according to court documents, they wanted to join isis. if they couldn't get to syria, the backup plan was an attack on american soil. one of them allegedly told an fbi informant,ly just go and buy a machine gun, ak-47, go out and shoot all the police. then we will go to the fbi headquarters and kill the fbi people. the third man believed to be the money man, was also arrested in florida. us intelligence estimates more than 150 americans including this man have traveled to or tried to get to syria and iraq to join isis. 22-year-old moner adul sahad recorded this video before blowing himself up in a suicide attempt in syria last year. the isis threat is all too real for one california family. andria borba has their story. >> reporter: the family is of a christian sect in syria. isis stormed in and kidnapped dozens of men. >> maybe 6,000 forces swept in all wearing black. it was like a sea of block uniforms. marching through all of the villages. burning down the churching. >> reporter: it is not just massages on a tv screen anymore. the terror of isis have a grip on charlotte's family in modesto. family friends who managed to escape with a cell phone called the davids to tell them what happened. a half a world away, all the david accounts do is wait and hope as the reign of isis continues to grow. >> it is not just in my family. it is the whole village. >> reporter: now charlotte is so concerned for her family's safety, she doesn't want her brother's name released in fear isis will retaliate and kill him l. is good reason to worry. last week, isis released a video of 21 christian egyptians being beheaded. in the news room, andria borba, kpix5. >> isis has already killed four americans since august. a missing baby only 20 days old has been found dead. his name was justice deese. he and his 21-year-old mom disappeared from their home in woodland. police found her yesterday and she told them where to find her son. crews found his body in a place near the sacramento river. people held a memorial for the baby. police admit they don't know what really happened yet. a scare at an east bay middle school today. five students rushed to the hospital after they took some pills. they are all 12 and 13-year-old girls. just after 11:00 this morning. someone saw a classmate acting strangely. >> she raised her hand, the science teacher said yes and she walked out of the room. later on in the class, she never came back. >> no word on what the pills were. the girls who were taken to oakland children's hospital should be okay. a two-state man hunt. middle of the night high speed chase and tonight, five suspected jewel thieves are behind bars. it all ended in martinez as police dogs flushed out a woman and two other men, a fourth suspect ran to mori marsiplac's house. >> when i opened the door to walk out, there was a guy face to face about 12 inches from me and i yelled and he spun and ran. >> reporter: police got him and the fifth person a few minutes litter. the group is wanted for robs a high-end jewelry store in denver yesterday morning. police don't know why they came to the bay area. once they were spotted in a rental suv in vacaville. a freeway chase began. sometimes at more than 100 miles an hour. and it ended on arthur road in martinez. southwest airline planes are back in the air tonight after they grounded 128 planes yesterday. they missed a deadline for inspecting an equipment allowing pilots to steer the plane if the main system fails. it forced the airline to cancel 100 flights including several out of oakland and sfu. they say the planes can fly while the inspections continue. the agency said it had evaluated the risk and agreed that the airline could continue to operate the planes during this short interim s. southwest says "safety of customers and employees remains our highest priority and the airline is working quickly to resolve the situation." right now, in a bay area road, it is moving day in a big way. we are talking a million pounds. tonight, mark kelly is in morgan hill to show us. >> reporter: this truck gives a new definition to the meaning of wide load. it is already on the road tonight headed to the salinas area. this thing is so big, at many points, it is going to take up the entire road. clocking in at 950,000 pounds, this truck is not like a truck at all. >> it is like a big train on the road. >> reporter: jim morgan would know. he is running this complex megamove. >> the whole route the pretty challenging. >> reporter: the goal? get this pg&e transformer from a newark substation to moss landing in salinas all in one piece. the transformer alone weighs almost a million pounds. hard to put that in perspective. >> more than ten elephants. >> reporter: the massive truck has to navigate twists and turns all along the route with logistics plans from caltrans, chp, and all the county along the way. >> i call it a logistical nightmare. >> reporter: but jim says the big e hurdle is on the road, especially route 152. >> when we get on 152, it is a narrow roadway. a lot of turns. the chp has to find a place to put those people when we come up on them. >> reporter: when jim says people, he is talking to you drivers. typically smooth sailing driving at night unless you find yourself behind this guy tonight. >> it is called a dual lane trailer and it takes up two lanes. >> reporter: a little more about the transformer it is carrying. it was at a newark substation. it is now headed to the salinas area. mark kelly, kpix5. only on 5, solve a crime as fast as an episode of csi? this new rapid dna test should change everything for real life detectives. >> there is a new video to legalize pot in california. this is it. what do you think? will it really help their campaign? >> and brrrr. we have seen how cold it is on the east coast. tonight, you are going to meet one new yorker who was so fed up, she convinced her boss to move her here to the bay area. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ everybody deserves $73 fares. because wedding season can get expensive. book your low fare now at southwest.com. >> detectives who work to solve crimes, have been frustrated for years. it takes a long time to get dna tests back, but joe vasquez show us us that is about to change. >> tell me you have answers. >> let's start with the finger in the jar. >> reporter: unlike the hit cbs tv show csi, real live crimes in california can take forever to solve. police agencies ship their dna evidence to a state lab. >> you swab a cheek, drop it in. >> reporter: this contraption that looks like a copy machine is about to speed things up. it is called the rapid hit. >> less than two hours, you get a complete dna profile identical of the profiles generated in labs. >> reporter: the rapid test could kept an innocent person from getting thrown in jail or allow the cops to keep a bad guy in custody because he matches other crimes. >> having somebody who is a known previous offender while they are still in custody should save a lot of time on investigation, follow-up, and prevent other crimes. >> reporter: alameda district attorney nancy o-malley has tried to relieve a huge backlog of sexual assault cases. >> there are very between 400,000 and 500,000 kits sitting in police evidence rooms that have not been analyzed. >> i don't want him to touch me. >> let's talk about that. >> reporter: rape kits are more sophisticated so they will still have to be done at a crime lab, but rapid hit can be done to use other tests much quicker allowing the state labs to focus on the rape cases. >> we have to move faster to bring justice to victims who have been sexually assaulted and it has never been solved. >> reporter: the alameda county sheriff's department received its first rapid hid a few days ago. technology grinding the slow wheels of justice a little faster. in oakland, joe vasquez, kpix5. >> there are 100 rapid hit ins use right now, most in other countries. the fbi projected that some day, every lab could have a tester. tonight, a video of people smoking pot is highlighting an effort to legalize weed. this is the first video to pop up to get a measure on next year's ballot. it is for those who like to light up. if question is, is the way to get things done from a political standpoint? >> i think there is probably room for that. if you want to get young people out. >> it speak to everyone's worst fears about what is going on. essentially a bunch of stoners blowing smoke in the face of california voters. >> four other states have approved pot for recreational use. tonight, the mayor of washington dc declared pot legal there as of two hours and 20 minutes ago, but republicans in congress which have the final say say not so fast. threatening the mayor with jail time. facebook has a feature to prevent suicide. if you see a friend posting something harmful, you can report it and they will get a popup message like this when they log on. from there, they can continue. another screen will offer them options to reach out to someone for help. they can also get tips from self-caric perts and people who have worked through something difficult. it has been a wicked winter for much of the country. one new yorker got so sick of the cold, she told our cate caugurian she convinced her bosses to let her come here to thaw out. >> reporter: an extreme move inspired by extreme weather. new yorker carrie beckerman decided her winter wonderland wasn't so wonderful. >> i was getting a picture of my friend's commute to work. the sun was shining. she wasn't wearing a jacket. i sent her my picture of my parka around hi head with snow on it. >> reporter: then she had her own cold snap. >> i woke up and it was 7 degrees. i woke up in the morning and the water next to my bed had a sheet of ice. when i went to take a sip, it didn't move. >> reporter: the advertising sales planner asked her bosses if she could work out of a different office in san francisco. >> about a 60-degree bump in temperature. i have finally landed in san francisco. >> reporter: as long as she said her own way, they said go ahead. >> i'm not wearing a coat today. which is really nice. >> reporter: from new york to here, how does this public transit compare to the subway? >> i love the subway, but this smells a little bit nicer. [ laughter ] so nice out today. >> reporter: traveling for business and weather. call it a workcatoin. after a week, she will have to bundle up and go back east. in sunny san francisco, cate caugurian, kpix5. >> not a bad place to live. >> i there try that with our boss. i'm really thinking hawaii, you know? [ laughter ] the maldives. it is not warm enough here. i want to go warmer. >> we have it pretty good here. you know what is nice? people want to come here regardless of what their weather is like there, san francisco is on the level. peek outside tonight, we are mainly clear, not as chilly. 40s and 50s as opposed to the 30s . we had frost the past couple of mornings away from the water. livermore, 48. san francisco, 55. overnight lows, very seasonal. oakland, 49. fremont, 47. san francisco, 51 which of course is warmer than new york city's high coming up tomorrow. sunrise, getting up at 6:46 tomorrow morning. here is the setup. we had the ridge of high pressure move to bring something else in. the ridge of high pressure moved. phase one is complete. let's get some rain here please? well we have a system moving in bringing showers as early as friday and now the showers will stick around until saturday. that is the good news. not so good news is that it is coming from the north. it is cool, it will be a cooler system, but also a drier system because colder air can't hold as much moisture. all the tropical juicy air will not be tapped into. when does the rain begin? tomorrow? absolutely not. as a matter of fact, a lot of sunshine tomorrow. but for, as soon as friday morning, a little bit of green here, showers scattered with more widespread showers coming up saturday. once again, that's the good news. rain is coming. how much rainfall? pick the town closest to you. concord, three one-hundredths of an inch. santa rosa. just enough to cut the pollen without cutting into the drought. mix of sun and clouds tomorrow. lit be breezy friday and saturday. lit be cooler but rain, really not so much. san jose ahead of the rain, 70 degrees. san ramon and pittsburgh close to 70 tomorrow. partly sunny skies in san francisco. 67. and 70 tomorrow in clear lake. here is your extenned forecast. showers friday, better chance of showers saturday. we clear out sunday, and the first half of next week is trending dry. at least we have something on the way. >> there you go. you have to be grateful for that. just help clean out the air. absolutely. >> thanks paul. well, a lifetime together, coming up, this california couple was married 67 years. they died just hours apart holding hands. my name is tony sartorio. i'm a lineman for pg&e out of the concord service center. i have lived here pretty much my whole life. i have been married for twelve years. i have 3 kids. i love living here and i love working in my hometown. at pg&e we are always working to upgrade reliability to meet the demands of the customers. i'm there to do the safest job possible - not only for them, but everybody, myself included that lives in the community. i'm very proud to do the work that i do and say that i am a lineman for pg&e because it's my hometown. it's a rewarding feeling. >> a fresno area couple married 67 years took the phrase from death do us part literally. >> they died at home within hours of each otherment their beds were pushed together. and they held hands as they simply passed away. their daughter says that he was a dedicated husband until the end. and tried to held on as long as he could. >> my dad died holding her hand. and my mom died five hours later. we felt blessed because we know that is what they wanted. >> floyd was 90, violet, his wife, 89. they met in grammar school. started dating when floyd came back from the navy. >> what a beautiful couple. >> that is a great story, you know? whey to do. >> how many more years do you have ken? 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even worse... many die before >> live, from the cbs bay area studios, this is kpix5 news. >> thousands of bay area veterans cheated out of benefits. even worse? many died before they get help. tonight at 5:00, whistle forwards come forward. >> christin ayers tells us about a file cabinet in oakland that turned into a black hole. >> reporter: the letter is dated july 29, 2014. ten years after dori stafford says her husband wayne applied for veterans benefits. it thanked wayne for applying. the rob, it did not arrive until seven years after he died in an accident having never seen any veterans benefits. >> why would you suddenly after all these years send a letter to a dead man? >> reporter: stafford's claim came here to the oakland's veterans benefits office where whistle blowers say it was stuffed in a file cabinet and ignored along with 13,000 other claims filed between 2006 and 2009. cbs reporter wyatt andrews tracked down the whistle blowers. >> every other piece of paper i touched was for a person who passed away. >> reporter: her job was to process the lost claims once they were found but she and other whistle blowers say supervisors ordered her and the rest of the team to label most claims no action necessary. denying benefits to veterans who deserved them. >> we pulled 15 indiscriminantly to look at. eight of them were owed money. was one owed $36,000. they took them, they put them in a file and they stuffed them away. >> reporter: dori stafford is now scraping by in northern california liveing in a home with no electricity wondering the the benefits her husband never received could help her now. >> a modest pension. even say 400 a month, it would so help. >> this is a national disgrace. and the va is admitting a lot of veterans were denied benefits because of this poor recordkeeping. how many people are we talking about? >> reporter: they really can't say exactly how many because thousands of records were missing. they have this new electronic system now that minimizes any risk of delays so i think they are hoping this upgrade prevents things like this in the future. these people really needed the help. >> thank you christin. tonight, a fight in a driveway ended with one man dead. it ended just before 3:00 p.m. at marigold place in hercules. after someone called 911 to report a fight, police found a trail of blood leading from the car to the house and inside the house was a bloodied woman. tonight, she is in critical condition. officers went in the garage and found a man's body. police are not sure what happened and how the man wound up in the garage, especially after the 911 caller said. >> he said he saw two males fighting in the driveway. one was on top of the other and appeared to be choking him. >> reporter: police arrested the suspect a short time lateener the same neighborhood. he had blood on his hands. this is the first homicide in hercules since 2012. we have learned three men are under arrest for allegedly holding a woman hostage and sexually assaulting her. the woman says she was kidnapped and held for weeks at a compound on stony point road in santa rosa. she managed to escape last week when a door was left open. two of the suspects are from santa rosa. a third is from watsonville. the sonoma county sheriff says the investigation is still going. the feds have nabbed three would be terrorists. two of them were picked up at jfk airport this morning as they were getting ready to fly to turkey. according to court documents, they wanted to join isis. if they couldn't get to syria, the backup plan was an attack on american soil. one of them allegedly told an fbi informant,ly just go and buy a machine gun, ak-47, go out and shoot all the police. then we will go to the fbi headquarters and kill the fbi people. the third man believed to be the money man, was also arrested in florida. us intelligence estimates more than 150 americans including this man have traveled to or tried to get to syria and iraq to join isis. 22-year-old moner adul sahad recorded this video before blowing himself up in a suicide attempt in syria last year. the isis threat is all too real for one california family. andria borba has their story. >> reporter: the family is of a christian sect in syria. isis stormed in and kidnapped dozens of men. >> maybe 6,000 forces swept in all wearing black. it was like a sea of block uniforms. marching through all of the villages. burning down the churching. >> reporter: it is not just massages on a tv screen anymore. the terror of isis have a grip on charlotte's family in modesto. family friends who managed to escape with a cell phone called the davids to tell them what happened. a half a world away, all the david accounts do is wait and hope as the reign of isis continues to grow. >> it is not just in my family. it is the whole village. >> reporter: now charlotte is so concerned for her family's safety, she doesn't want her brother's name released in fear isis will retaliate and kill him l. is good reason to worry. last week, isis released a video of 21 christian egyptians being beheaded. in the news room, andria borba, kpix5. >> isis has already killed four americans since august. a missing baby only 20 days old has been found dead. his name was justice deese. he and his 21-year-old mom disappeared from their home in woodland. police found her yesterday and she told them where to find her son. crews found his body in a place near the sacramento river. people held a memorial for the baby. police admit they don't know what really happened yet. a scare at an east bay middle school today. five students rushed to the hospital after they took some pills. they are all 12 and 13-year-old girls. just after 11:00 this morning. someone saw a classmate acting strangely. >> she raised her hand, the science teacher said yes and she walked out of the room. later on in the class, she never came back. >> no word on what the pills were. the girls who were taken to oakland children's hospital should be okay. a two-state man hunt. middle of the night high speed chase and tonight, five suspected jewel thieves are behind bars. it all ended in martinez as police dogs flushed out a woman and two other men, a fourth suspect ran to mori marsiplac's house. >> when i opened the door to walk out, there was a guy face to face about 12 inches from me and i yelled and he spun and ran. >> reporter: police got him and the fifth person a few minutes litter. the group is wanted for robs a high-end jewelry store in denver yesterday morning. police don't know why they came to the bay area. once they were spotted in a rental suv in vacaville. a freeway chase began. sometimes at more than 100 miles an hour. and it ended on arthur road in martinez. southwest airline planes are back in the air tonight after they grounded 128 planes yesterday. they missed a deadline for inspecting an equipment allowing pilots to steer the plane if the main system fails. it forced the airline to cancel 100 flights including several out of oakland and sfu. they say the planes can fly while the inspections continue. the agency said it had evaluated the risk and agreed that the airline could continue to operate the planes during this short interim s. southwest says "safety of customers and employees remains our highest priority and the airline is working quickly to resolve the situation." right now, in a bay area road, it is moving day in a big way. we are talking a million pounds. tonight, mark kelly is in morgan hill to show us. >> reporter: this truck gives a new definition to the meaning of wide load. it is already on the road tonight headed to the salinas area. this thing is so big, at many points, it is going to take up the entire road. clocking in at 950,000 pounds, this truck is not like a truck at all. >> it is like a big train on the road. >> reporter: jim morgan would know. he is running this complex megamove. >> the whole route the pretty challenging. >> reporter: the goal? get this pg&e transformer from a newark substation to moss landing in salinas all in one piece. the transformer alone weighs almost a million pounds. hard to put that in perspective. >> more than ten elephants. >> reporter: the massive truck has to navigate twists and turns all along the route with logistics plans from caltrans, chp, and all the county along the way. >> i call it a logistical nightmare. >> reporter: but jim says the big e hurdle is on the road, especially route 152. >> when we get on 152, it is a narrow roadway. a lot of turns. the chp has to find a place to put those people when we come up on them. >> reporter: when jim says people, he is talking to you drivers. typically smooth sailing driving at night unless you find yourself behind this guy tonight. >> it is called a dual lane trailer and it takes up two lanes. >> reporter: a little more about the transformer it is carrying. it was at a newark substation. it is now headed to the salinas area. mark kelly, kpix5. only on 5, solve a crime as fast as an episode of csi? this new rapid dna test should change everything for real life detectives. >> there is a new video to legalize pot in california. this is it. what do you think? will it really help their campaign? >> and brrrr. we have seen how cold it is on the east coast. tonight, you are going to meet one new yorker who was so fed up, she convinced her boss to move her here to this is an allen family production. and here's why we love chex. one, we love choices like chocolate, vanilla and honey nut. two, we don't love artificial colors or flavors. does anybody? and three...it's gluten free. chex. full of what you love. free of what you don't. have you tried gluten free chex oatmeal and new chex granola mix? two more delicious reasons to love chex. in a race, it's about getting to the finish line. in life, it's how you get there that matters most. like when i found out i had a blood clot in my leg. my doctor said that it could travel to my 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is called the rapid hit. >> less than two hours, you get a complete dna profile identical of the profiles generated in labs. >> reporter: the rapid test could kept an innocent person from getting thrown in jail or allow the cops to keep a bad guy in custody because he matches other crimes. >> having somebody who is a known previous offender while they are still in custody should save a lot of time on investigation, follow-up, and prevent other crimes. >> reporter: alameda district attorney nancy o-malley has tried to relieve a huge backlog of sexual assault cases. >> there are very between 400,000 and 500,000 kits sitting in police evidence rooms that have not been analyzed. >> i don't want him to touch me. >> let's talk about that. >> reporter: rape kits are more sophisticated so they will still have to be done at a crime lab, but rapid hit can be done to use other tests much quicker allowing the state labs to focus on the rape cases. >> we have to move faster to bring justice to victims who have been sexually assaulted and it has never been solved. >> reporter: the alameda county sheriff's department received its first rapid hid a few days ago. technology grinding the slow wheels of justice a little faster. in oakland, joe vasquez, kpix5. >> there are 100 rapid hit ins use right now, most in other countries. the fbi projected that some day, every lab could have a tester. tonight, a video of people smoking pot is highlighting an effort to legalize weed. this is the first video to pop up to get a measure on next year's ballot. it is for those who like to light up. if question is, is the way to get things done from a political standpoint? >> i think there is probably room for that. if you want to get young people out. >> it speak to everyone's worst fears about what is going on. essentially a bunch of stoners blowing smoke in the face of california voters. >> four other states have approved pot for recreational use. tonight, the mayor of washington dc declared pot legal there as of two hours and 20 minutes ago, but republicans in congress which have the final say say not so fast. threatening the mayor with jail time. facebook has a feature to prevent suicide. if you see a friend posting something harmful, you can report it and they will get a popup message like this when they log on. from there, they can continue. another screen will offer them options to reach out to someone for help. they can also get tips from self-caric perts and people who have worked through something difficult. it has been a wicked winter for much of the country. one new yorker got so sick of the cold, she told our cate caugurian she convinced her bosses to let her come here to thaw out. >> reporter: an extreme move inspired by extreme weather. new yorker carrie beckerman decided her winter wonderland wasn't so wonderful. >> i was getting a picture of my friend's commute to work. the sun was shining. she wasn't wearing a jacket. i sent her my picture of my parka around hi head with snow on it. >> reporter: then she had her own cold snap. >> i woke up and it was 7 degrees. i woke up in the morning and the water next to my bed had a sheet of ice. when i went to take a sip, it didn't move. >> reporter: the advertising sales planner asked her bosses if she could work out of a different office in san francisco. >> about a 60-degree bump in temperature. i have finally landed in san francisco. >> reporter: as long as she said her own way, they said go ahead. >> i'm not wearing a coat today. which is really nice. >> reporter: from new york to here, how does this public transit compare to the subway? >> i love the subway, but this smells a little bit nicer. [ laughter ] so nice out today. >> reporter: traveling for business and weather. call it a workcatoin. after a week, she will have to bundle up and go back east. in sunny san francisco, cate caugurian, kpix5. >> not a bad place to live. >> i there try that with our boss. i'm really thinking hawaii, you know? [ laughter ] the maldives. it is not warm enough here. i want to go warmer. >> we have it pretty good here. you know what is nice? people want to come here regardless of what their weather is like there, san francisco is on the level. peek outside tonight, we are mainly clear, not as chilly. 40s and 50s as opposed to the 30s . we had frost the past couple of mornings away from the water. livermore, 48. san francisco, 55. overnight lows, very seasonal. oakland, 49. fremont, 47. san francisco, 51 which of course is warmer than new york city's high coming up tomorrow. sunrise, getting up at 6:46 tomorrow morning. here is the setup. we had the ridge of high pressure move to bring something else in. the ridge of high pressure moved. phase one is complete. let's get some rain here please? well we have a system moving in bringing showers as early as friday and now the showers will stick around until saturday. that is the good news. not so good news is that it is coming from the north. it is cool, it will be a cooler system, but also a drier system because colder air can't hold as much moisture. all the tropical juicy air will not be tapped into. when does the rain begin? tomorrow? absolutely not. as a matter of fact, a lot of sunshine tomorrow. but for, as soon as friday morning, a little bit of green here, showers scattered with more widespread showers coming up saturday. once again, that's the good news. rain is coming. how much rainfall? pick the town closest to you. concord, three one-hundredths of an inch. santa rosa. just enough to cut the pollen without cutting into the drought. mix of sun and clouds tomorrow. lit be breezy friday and saturday. lit be cooler but rain, really not so much. san jose ahead of the rain, 70 degrees. san ramon and pittsburgh close to 70 tomorrow. partly sunny skies in san francisco. 67. and 70 tomorrow in clear lake. here is your extenned forecast. showers friday, better chance of showers saturday. we clear out sunday, and the first half of next week is trending dry. at least we have something on the way. >> there you go. you have to be grateful for that. just help clean out the air. absolutely. >> thanks paul. well, a lifetime together, coming up, this california couple was married 67 years. they died just hours apart holding hands. >> a fresno area couple married 67 years took the phrase from death do us part literally. >> they died at home within hours of each otherment their beds were pushed together. and they held hands as they simply passed away. their daughter says that he was a dedicated husband until the end. and tried to held on as long as he could. >> my dad died holding her hand. and my mom died five hours later. we felt blessed because we know that is what they wanted. >> floyd was 90, violet, his wife, 89. they met in grammar school. started dating when floyd came back from the navy. >> what a beautiful couple. >> that is a great story, you know? whey to do. >> how many more years do you have ken? [ laughter ] madonna makes her first kpix5 top five, but for all the wrong reasons. and what is the a's flo: hey, big guy. i heard you lost a close one today. look, jamie, maybe we weren't the lowest rate this time. but when you show people their progressive direct rate and our competitors' rates you can't win them all. the important part is, you helped them save. thanks, flo. okay, let's go get you an ice cream cone, champ. with sprinkles? sprinkles are for winners. i understand. >> dave's squad reported to spring training and as vern glenn reports l are only three players in camp born during the carter administration. >> reporter: all right dennis. welcome to mesa, arizona where once again in the case of the as , youth is served. now here is a look at barry zitto trying to make a come back at age 36. as for the rest of the catchers and pitchers, the as are so young, they are vocal leaders, they have been in the league less than five years. >> four-and-a-half years in the league and i'm a veteran. that makes perfect sense. >> i have been here three years. probably one of the longest tenures of guys in this clubhouse. >> ly be that guy, but i have always been more of a lead ever on the field than i have been in the clubhouse. 28, you are not supposed to be a leader, you are supposed to be learning from guys. >> reporter: manager bob melvin has been here since mid 2011. he told thus morning, coco crisp is the only player left when he took over. in mesa, arizona, vern glenn, kpix5. >> thank you vern. cal has to face the music. they likely won't be playing in the ncaa game. jabari bird, two after a career high. the ducks turned it in their favor with a 9-0 run. cook posted. they drop their third straight. they are fading fast. much better for the bears in the water. the swim team set the american record for the 800 free relay in the pack 12 championship. missy franklin anchored the race. congratulations to them. another baseball season in a decrepe id oakland coliseum on him. josh reddick was asked if he pays attention to the woes. >> we don't. we are just worried about if poop is going to come up through the locker room or not. >> reddick talking about the constant sewage problem there. kings and grizzlies, zach randolph from three quarters. got it. sacramento wins the basketball game. mma, william pumped so hard, he thinks he is good enough to keep fighting. down he goes. and the material girl became the fall girl. did you guys see this? madonna taking a spill at the brit awards. and number one, steph curry went to the white house and got to meet the president. curry was recognized for his efforted to combat malaria. and you know, curry strikes me as one of those athletes, post nba, he could be a politician. sort of like kevin johnson in sacramento. curry has that sort of charismatic way about him that goes beyond basketball. >> probably wouldn't happen bulldog: you don't need superpowers to help someone. sometimes, all it takes is a warm heart and a cold nose. that's why mattress discounters good deed dogs is raising money to train service dogs for people with disabilities. i would never imagine a life without an assistance dog ever again. i relied on people a lot. he helps me live a more independent life. bulldog: we need your help to do more. give at mattressdiscountersdogs.com, or any mattress discounters. mattress discounters good deed dogs helping dogs help people >> david letterman is next. >> all right, our next newscast tomorrow morning at 4:30. bright
, gas stations etc. that sometimes as he took off the asphalt, we would come down actually into a grave area. and in that case, there would be a few may buttons found, a few tax, some engines for the coffin -- hinges for the coffin. these were simply photographed, nothing moves. and that is the goal. to make sure that everyone buried at friedman cemetery will be preserved. there are no historic photographs of friedman cemetery, so we didn't know what to find. what we have also -- we have also looked for the absence of grace. and one of those places was clearly a pathway that was coming into the cemetery from washington street, and coming directly in. and that pathway will not be used for a new walkway for visitors to enter through a gate and come into the cemetery. the preservation of friedman's -- freedman's cemetery has been miraculous. that so much of the cemetery has been preserved, even with so much road construction all around it, building construction gas tanks being placed at the gas station, curb cuts, and other topographical changes. the site has been damaged both coming in from its edges, as well as coming down from its top. so, i would say that the preservation is not what one would expect. i think that the city of alexandria upon commitment to -- alexandria's commitment to purchase the land and create a memorial means there is a long-term commitment to protect the place and tell the story. and to make sure that the term contraband is no longer a word that people are unaware of its meaning or are thought of only in negative connotations. >> welcome back to "american history tv's" live coverage. this is cohosted by longwood university and appomattox courthouse historic park. the battle fought on the morning of april 9 18 65, was the final engagement of confederate general robert e lee's army before it surrendered to the union forces under lieutenant general ulysses s grant. it was one of the last battles of the american civil war. some of the topics today include the battle of sailor's creek, the battles of appomattox, the surrender at appomattox, and its legacy and closing operations in north carolina. this is live coverage on c-span3. [indistinct chatter] [indistinct chatter] >> we are going to get everybody seated again. we would like to start on with the next program. accommodate the c-span3 schedule , and get us to lunch on time. everybody likes that, right? here is david kohl's to introduce our next bigger. -- next speaker. >> just a reminder to everybody about lunch. you are free to do lunch on your own. a number of fast food places in farmville and some other sitdown restaurants. as i said last night, we are a little bit restaurant challenged here. don't have a huge selection, but many of the people go to the longwood that a call for their brunch. so if you are not sure where to go we'll let some people show you how to get down there. it dollars $.25 for all-you-can-eat brunch. our final speaker this morning is someone that many of you are familiar with, ronald wilson. ron is a longtime employee of the national park service. he retired in 2000 after working 35 years at various locations including gettysburg, johnstown flood national memorial, allegheny portage, lincoln boyhood national memorial. but for the last wood five years of his career, he was the historian at appomattox courthouse national historic park. i can let patrick and ron duke it out as to who was the better historian, ron or patrick. but as i mentioned earlier, ron is the person who did get the seminar started. my first year was 1999-2000. and ron hold over here this year and asked if we are interested in cosponsoring a seminar. and i said, yes. a study much smaller than it was -- is now. ron's talk today -- he was the co-compiler of one of the volumes in the howard series, appomattox paroles april 9 to 15th, 1865. he is retired now and lives in lake monticello. i was just telling ron yesterday that i look like i have aged 30 years, and he looks exactly the same. maybe it is the water at lake monticello or something. but we have been following through this morning, in kind of rough chronological order, the appomattox campaign from the final battles of petersburg sailor's creek, the campaign in general. and ron today will be talking about the surrender at appomattox. ron wilson. [applause] >> now, you made all those wonderful comments. thank you. it is indeed a pleasure to be here. i think this is, as you mentioned, the 16th seminar. and i think we owe a debt of gratitude to longwood university and to dr. cole and to patrick schroeder. i think you all ought to give them a round of applause. [applause] how many of you, and there are quite a few of you, have been to the mclean house at appomattox courthouse? that makes things rather easy for me. it is time for lunch, i believe. [laughter] one thing that is probably not generally known is that the first offer of surrender didn't come from a letter from general grant. it came from a group of officers that had gathered before noon, april 7. and these officers concluded that because the circumstances facing the army, that it might be best to suggest to generally that he open -- general lee that he open negotiations with general grant. the negotiations, a former that this could billion rector. he approached the general lee that day, but general lee would not hear of that suggestion. he said there were too many brave and good man still in the ranks. general grant, most of the federal forces moved into farmville where we are now located by 1:30 on the afternoon of april 7. general lee, of course, had moved north of the appomattox river into cumberland county. general grant established his headquarters at the prince edward hotel, also known as the randolph house, which no longer stands. but was at the corner of main street and 2nd street here in farmville. and coincidentally, last night i had the pleasure of staying at the longwood red -- bed and breakfast on high street. in one of those rooms is a desk along with other furniture. that furniture came from general grant's orders in the prince edward hotel. and on one of those pieces, he wrote out a letter to general lee. it would turn out to be the first letter asking for the surrender of the army of northern virginia. it was written about 5:00 that afternoon, and was put in the hands of seth williams. who was the inspector general of the federal armies. because the bridges have been burned, he had to take a very particular route over the wagon bridge underneath highbridge. and he did not reach general lee until about 9:00 that evening. he had some difficulty getting his message through the lines but eventually was able to do so. general lee received the message , read it, didn't say anything. he then handed it to james oxford -- long street -- longs treet. he had one reply, not yet. he then picked himself up out of the entrenchment and moved westward. we know that that road would take them to richburg -- richmond to a place called appomattox courthouse. now, when general lee had read that letter, he did require a response. his response was he didn't ticket was time to surrender the army, but what terms the general grant propose considering the surrender. general grant, of course, would then write a reply, but his reply would not reach general lee until the next day, on the eighth. meanwhile, general lee had progressed to it -- within a very short distance of appomattox courthouse when that second message got to him. and it quite simply said that general grant proposed to accept the offer by the men laying down their arms and to be exchanged. until properly exchanged being paroled. in other words, they could go home. this is where the situation gets a little different. it is near midnight. general lee has written the letter of response, and the letter of response reaches general grant at his headquarters along the roadside near shepherds, and the house. the general is undergoing a severe migraine headache. at nothing can seem to use him including -- ease him, including the staff underscore playing an out of tune piano. they only understood to songs. one was "yankee doodle." but the message that reached him was him -- of much serious nature. general lee still do not want to surrender the army of northern virginia, but he approached general grant on the prospect of peace. surrendering all confederate forces. this is something that has a little prior history to it. on march 2, general lee had written to general grant and it said in that message, sincerely the desire to leave nothing untried that may put event to the calamities of war, i propose to meet you at such convenient time and place as you may designate with the hope that upon interchange of views you find it practical to some it to the subject of controversy between the two belligerents a he proposed a peace settlement. the message was sent to the war party. general grant received the following response, written by the president, signed by the secretary of war edward stanton. etc., general grant, the president wishes you to have no conference with general lee unless it we for ther general lee's army or on some military matter. he instructs me to say, you are not to discuss or confer upon any political considerations such questions the president holds in his own hands. meanwhile, you are up to your military advantages. now only had general lee's suggested a meeting to discuss peace, he also has adjusted that the meeting take place at 10:00 on palm sunday morning, between the lines of the two forces. general grant would not respond. he would not respond until the next day of april 9. as we know, general lee had a council of war at his headquarters on the night of the eight. it was determined that if they were successful in breaking through, they would continue down into campbell courthouse, down into the hillsboro region of north carolina. if unsuccessful, then general lee was to be notified so that flags of truth could be set out. we do know that the attack was not successful. general lee now what order that flags of truce would be ordered out on the line. this would be about 10:00 the morning on the ninth that this was done. general lee would write to general long street -- longstr eet's lines with the hope of meeting general grant. general grant was not there. general grant had taken the ride from his headquarters near clifton, across the country with his cavalry to find out what general sheridan was doing. the ride would be an excess of 2425 miles. he would be out of contact with most of the army. what was general lee to do this point? he had no intentions to set, because general grant had rejected it. the battle had gone have the against him. federal forces were closing tightly around him. if you were generally, what would you do? he didn't have to say. he had a third letter and which he proposed to meet general grant on terms previously offered the previous day. this would take him into adjacent federal lines, but was told of course that general grant was an president. an attack had been ordered and couldn't be stopped. he happened to read closely the instructions to ascend to general grant, and they did so. our response came back from general need who was killed. but he responded, indicating that he had received the message and they would send out a courier to try and locate general grant so the actions to be taken. meanwhile, he also allowed for an armistice to take place until 2:00 that afternoon. the village now was in front of generally, and federal surrounded it, but no one occupied the mutual locations between the contending forces. general grant was eventually located by lieutenant charles peace and general lee's message was brought. i message as to general sheridan's lines so that he wouldn't be missed. another thing that is not known at appomattox is during this time of armistice, a group of offices both federal and union met around the courthouse building. they were there for about one hour and a half. it was in essence, a west point reunion. what it there, wilcox was there. sheridan was there. chamberlain was there. griffin was there. many other officers. they shared on battles that will run out. there wasn't an agreement -- there was an agreement made. between general longstree that theret would be no blue bath of troops unless the other counterpart was notified. everyone kind of settled down in place. general lee now came back to where the army was now located. he would then be made to rest by some of the officers that approach them. the general was quite tired at this point. you can imagine after three nights on the road. three days. the losses that he had sustained, half of the army lost in the last week. he took his place in front of gordon's position. sitting on a bunch of rails and an apple orchard. he would await the response of general grant. as i mentioned, general grant was located. the message was delivered. he dated his response 1150. he entrusted his response with his aid. they found general lee resting at the apple orchard. delivered the message, which in essence would indicate the general lee should select the site of their meeting, and general grant would approach when he arrived. so, general lee sent forward -- actually, he mounted his horse and he had with him his secretary lieutenant, and the headquarters courier, and the two federal offices. they approached the river, the appomattox, but stopped when one person wanted to drink. at which point, general lee set for -- set forward colonel marshall with the headquarters aid to go into the village and find a suitable meeting location. as i mentioned the village was very much neutral location between contending forces. marshall left an account of that ride. he said, general lee told me to go forward and find a house. very critical that he mention house. in the community, there was a courthouse. the courthouse is a judicial chamber. no one is on trial. besides, what day of the week is it? it's sunday. it's locked in close. he continued on, where we could meet general grant, and of all people, who did i meet mclean. i'm sure everyone, or most of you, have heard of mclean. i rode up to him and said, can you show me a house where general lee and grant can meet together? he took me to a house that was dilapidated. it had no furniture in it. i guess we would probably do the same. nonetheless, it was a structure that stood out in front of his two-story brick home, which had an english basement. the house had originally been built in 48. the small building that the colonel was taken to was probably a small building no longer in use. i told him, it wouldn't do. he said, maybe my house will do. he lives in a house and i told him i thought it would suit. i sent him back to bring general lee who was coming up behind. i went into the house and's debt down. after a while, general lee and thatbabcock came along. so, general lee babcock and myself sat down in mclean's parlor and taught in an amicable way. we often hear of general lee's attire when this meeting took place. he had dressed himself in a very sought lists almost new confederate uniform at 1:00 a.m. complete with leather boots, feingold spores -- fine gold spurs. when the general saw him, and inquired why he was so tired it he said, i want to leave my best possible appearance. is this the confidence of a man that thinks his men could break through the federal lines? or is this reality? well, what do we know about mr. mclean and the people who lived in that house? one was age 50. i would consider wilmer and opportunities. he had married his wife, who at this point was four months pregnant. other children were living at the house and the time. i'm sure that all ladies would welcome a bunch of military officers with muddy boots coming into their house unannounced. she had brought to the marriage -- as i mentioned, wilmer was an opportunist -- a fine home called yorkshire, 1200 acres of property in one location, and additional -- an additional 800 acres in another location. wilmer was a sugar importer and a wholesale grocery. when he moved into gotcher, he became a gentleman's farmer. you see, york shire is located in a place called manassas. it was seen fit by a general in july of 1860 want to make his headquarters in mr. mclean's home. mr. mclean will have property at the beginning of the war, the first battle of manassas july 21, 1861, and he will bring it into his parlor in 1865. he had no friends or relatives when he moved to appomattox. he was episcopalian, and most of the inhabitants of the community were baptist and methodist. being a tradesman, he was close to the southside railroad. he could use this for commercial purposes, which had connections to petersburg and lynchburg and points south and north. general lee, when he arrived at the home, i said to be nine stairs, when across the porch into the central hall, and into the parlor, to the left of the central hall. he may have noticed above the fireplace a lithograph drawing. that lithograph drawing was the interview between george washington and -- why do we think general lee would have an interest in the drawing? simply because his wife, mary anna randolph, was the great-granddaughter of martha washington. lee would be related to the washingtons. he would find that he was related to the carter's, the fitzhugh's, the harrise's and the randolph's. many of the first families of virginia. robert's father was henry light horse lee, of revolutionary warfare fame and governor of virginia. his mother was and hill corridor of the king carter family. unfortunate, his father had gambled on speculation and land, which did not materialize. when robert was six, his father left for barbados. robert would not see him again. he had to relatives that were signers of the declaration of independence, richard henry lee and francis lightfoot lee. from his mother, the family had moved to arlington at this point, away from stratford, his birthplace. from his mother, he learned of the economy, moderation, self-control courtesy, jen tilly, honor, and devotion. the fact that he was in his room was duty. he had not asked others to accompany him. he had asked only one other officer to come that did not and that was walter taylor. walter taylor had gotten married , he only been married one week. he declined to come. general lee would not ask others to share in the trial of surrender. in 1825, he would attend the united states military academy and graduate in 1829. graduate second in the class of what he thinks -- of 46. he would become a member of the elite corps of engineers and be responsible for projects and saving the waterfront in st. louis. he and mary would have seven children -- three sons, all of which would serve in the confederate army, and four daughters. in the mexican war, he would serve on general scott staff -- general scott's staff. he would later say the general lee was the best soldier of the field. he would be superintendent of the united states military academy from 1852-1855. on april 17, 1861, virginia would secede and the following day, colonel lee would be offered by francis blair junior command of all federal forces. he would reject the offer. he would resign from the army on april 20 and take command of virginia forces on the 23rd. . june 1, 1862, he took command of the army of northern virginia. we know the rest of the history. seven days stuck at manassas, sharpsburg fredericksburg. on february 9, 1855, he was made general in chief of all confederate forces. 39 years of military service. meanwhile, grant is making his way toward this meeting. he has them, as i mentioned, staff and upon entering the facility, he meets general sheridan and asks where generally is located, and he was in the house there to surrender. rant indicated that -- grant and decay that they should ride. there is a vast difference in general grants background and appearance which makes this meeting kind of a symbolic one of division. a division in the history of the country. a division culturally, industrially. grant would dismount in the courtyard into the same hallway and go into the parlor. general lee is now seated behind a small oval top table, and using a king back chair. he has been about one hour. the longest half hour and e lee's life. one might imagine, since i reiterated all the things i've taken place in his life, and his idol being george washington, the things he would contemplate. when grant enters the parlor, he will bring with him 15-17 other federal offices. and a newspaper officer of the "new york herald." the newspaper reporter traveled with the staff quite regularly. this was not an unusual situation. grant's uniform -- if we can call it that -- was quite the drug will -- money, he had no spurs. he had no cord on his hat. he wore no so lord. he had the uniform of a private, only modified with five buttons. the only distinguishing mark between general grant and i was any other soldier is the fact that he had lieutenant general shoulder boards. he hadn't expected general lead to react as quickly as he had, even though he had indicated to the secretary of war the day before the general lee would surrender on this day. what we know about grant. we know i'd initially that general lee his hand, the two offices shook hands. grant, at this point, is 42 years of age. general lee is 58 years old. he was born on april twice on april twice 7 1822, at a place called point pleasant. he would soon move with the family to georgetown, where he said most of his childhood. his father, jesse grant operated a tannery. he was very outspoken and opinionated. many would call him a know it all. his mother was very genteel. he was born into this world, and given a name of hiram ulysses grant. the young boy hated the tannery. he couldn't stand the smell of it. his name was changed when he entered west point. they only had entry for someone named ulysses simpson grant. the entry was made because of a congressman from the area who thought the boy was named after his mother. he turned out to be an indifferent student at the academy. he had over 250 demerits. he didn't want to go to west point. he wanted to become a mass teacher. but his father insisted and he didn't argue against his father. he set a record at the academy. general grant was an expert horseman. he graduated in 1843, the 21st of 39 cadets. he was assigned to the fourth united states infantry. he went to jettison barrett's where he soon became friends of another officer by the name of james longstreet. he would fight in the mexican war. in 1848, he married julia dance. they would have four children, three sons and one daughter. he did not like being apart from his family or his wife, especially when transferred to many of the western outpost. as a result, he may have taken up the use of alcohol. april 11, 18 54, he was promoted to captain. shortly thereafter, he was forced to resign on being under the influence of alcohol. the acceptance of that resignation was in the secretary of war office, and the secretary of war was jefferson davis. he never showed the stories that would haunt him for the rest of his life. though, in reality, he drink very little. he drink only when -- drank only when, for the most by, separated from his family. he returned to st. louis after several jobs, all of which were failures until finally his father invited him to come work in his leather goods store in illinois. he was there when the war broke out. offered his services to united states army, but without the backing of congressman washburn he probably would have never gotten the command. the local congressman had influenced and saw that the former captain got a regiment. from there, he went on to achieve great military success. for henry shiloh, china, -- chattanooga. he was ordered to washington and he was promoted to lieutenant general. i certainly can't think of anyone who went from the street corners, so to speak, of st. louis, and the leather goods store to lieutenant general in three years. he had promised, obviously. no one since george washington held that rank on a permanent basis. on march 12, he was given command of all federal forces. he took his position in the field. the field would bring forth wilderness, cold harbor, petersburg, and finally meeting with general lee. of volunteers staff officer on general need staff -- general nmean's staff observed him on several occasions and said he is of eyes of clear blue, for head high, a jar set squarely. his face has three expressions deep thought, extreme determination, and great simplicity and confidence. it was hard to shake general grant, even in the present calamity, he would always remain column. what would entitle him to be here? what instructions had he received? how would he know what to put on paper? he met with the president several times. he met with the president on march 28, and again on april 3 in petersburg. he had instructions from a march 3 telegram. he had generally instructions on how to conduct his surrender. of course, there would be no talk of other military forces. that was a political consideration to recognize the other forces as a single unit would be in a sense of recognition of the existence of the confederation, would the lincoln administration would never do. had he had any experience? his military experience. but, i venture to say, that no one had more experience of this procedure, military surrender as general grant. he accepted the surrender of four dollars -- fort donnelly, and he became known as unconditional surrender grant. on july 3 1863. could he put his terms explicitly in writing? would there be any second guessing as to what was intended? i put forward to you that he was an excellent writer. his autobiography was just completed. he died one week earlier. it is still in print today and considered one of the best autobiographies in english language. general mead said that you only need to just -- needed to read his instructions wants to understand their full complicity. he had experience, instructions, and the ability. one thing that is probably also not known about this meeting, and we will talk about what transpires is that grant smoked probably during the entire meeting. one of his staff officers said that he consumed 20 cigars per day. i don't know if he smoked that many or gave them away, or chewed on them, but they said he consumed 20 cigars, and there is no doubt that you probably smoked to relieve the tensions of the meeting during the full preceding. the first conversation between the two generals was talk of the mexican war. that wasn't something that they had written about to discuss. it may have been something that general grant brought forward to ease himself into the discussion. did generally remember general grant? -- general lee remember general grant? sunsetted no. some say the general lee did recognize them. general grant had this to say our conversation grew so pleasant, that i almost forgot the subject of our meeting. after the conversation ran on for some time, general lee brought my attention to the object of the meeting the purpose of getting me to give the terms to his army. i said sadly, his army should lay down arms and not take them up again during the civil war unless duly and properly exchange. he said he so understood my letter. we then fell off again in conversation to matters for of the subject that brought us together. this continued for some time when general lee again interrupted the course of a conversation by suggesting that the terms that i propose to his army ought to be written out. general lee called for the order book. writing in the order book, he began to write out the terms. his order book was kind of a modern copy machine. he could write out an order and have two copies below it which he could then tear out and give to other commanders if he wished. so that time would not be wasted, or the possibility of a mistake in re-copying. the terms, as written, in draft form, stated that the officers of northern virginia would be paroled until properly exchange. the arms the artillery, and all these symbols of war and public property would be surrendered. the officers could retain their personal baggage and courses. -- horses. general grant then detailed one of his staff officers to copy the terms into ink after they had been gone over three fully. -- briefly. while this was taking place, general grant said what general lee's feelings are, i do not know. he is a man as much dignity, it was impossible to say if he felt sad or was to merely to show it. what ever his feelings were, they were entirely concealed from my observations, but my own feelings, which had been jubilant, were sad and depressed. i might add that colonel parker, who would begin the process of copying this draft was not a citizen of the united states. he was a seneca indian. grant had met him in illinois when he was supervising the construction of the post office. colonel parker had gone on to study law, but not being a citizen, he was not allowed to practice. he went on to an institute in new york state, and became a civil engineer. matt recognize the man for his ability, not for his birth. actually before parker began to copy in eating and grant had given the copy to general leaee for him to read and make corrections. there was a correction to be made. the word "exchange" had been left out and lee asked for it to be included, which was granted. the terms were handed to general lee. the terms, as written, where written in ink that was provided by colonel marshall. the federals haven't brought any ink with them. mr. maclean's ego was unusable. so, we will have terms of surrender drafted by a gentleman who is not a citizen of the country, using ink from the opposing side. general lee asked general marshall to complete a letter of acceptance. he completed one, but it was unacceptable, so he required a second effort. he does not have enough paper so he must borrow taper from the federal offices. if you're are looking for symbolism in this meeting, it's all over. if this country is going to have to come together and proceed into the 20th, 21st, 20 second century, it must use the resources of all of its citizens . as well as the physical resources available to them. general grant would then rise and there would be an introduction made with some of the federal offices in the room. general lee would note that seth williams is there. he had been in west point from 1852-1855. he also noted colonel parker and said, it is good to see one real american here. you know what colonel parker said? he said, general, we are all americans. as there is anything that is symbolic with what happened in that room, it is really not about the military event. it's about the feeling that came from it. the feeling to bring about a reunification of the nation after a very bloody contests. i thank you for your indulgence. this meeting lasted until about 3:00. general lee boyd depart and general grant would depart. other events at appomattox are beyond the scope of these meetings. any question? [applause] >> we do have time for a few questions. i see a gentleman standing over here at the microphone in the aisle to the left. if you could give your name and then ask a question we would appreciate it. >> my name is jim morgan. i would like to ask you a question not about the maddox, but about something that you mention happen in general lee's life earlier the offer of the federal army. i question is if you could address the comment -- the controversy of that because there is no record of the conversation, and on the fact that lee at the time was the most junior colonel in the united states army. whether general scott, a stickler for details and protocols, would allow for his junior kernel to jump up over his other generals. >> there are about three questions there. the offer, as we understand it was made by frederick blair junior, not the senior. it was probably made on behalf of the president, who did not want to be turned down if that were the case, and actually, probably wanted to feel out general lee's real intentions and his patriotism in this case. beyond that, we don't know the details. we know that leverage and to this offer if that were made because he went over to see scott, right there after, and told him that he apparently had this offer and rejected it. scott said he was making the biggest mistake of his life. lee was held in great regard by general scott, as i mentioned one of the best soldiers in the army. he had considerable experience in staff positions. whether or not he was jumped over other people, apparently made no difference. at this point, they were looking for the right individual to handle this. and fat, one thing that grant when he became a lieutenant insisted on that he did not have the follow the order of seniority to promote officials. you will find, after general grant became commander in chief, there are a number of positions filled over and above people of older rank. that's all -- was there another part of your question? >> you mentioned some wonderful symbolism between grant and lee. could you add anything, perhaps in the same vein, of symbolism between grant after the surrender in his relationship with don singleton? >> i know very little about his relationship with singleton. he became a supporter of grant and grant appointed him to some foreign post, i believe. i know that he never unattended but one reunion in his life, the i'm aware of. i don't know the in between the two. i also know that longstreet became an ardent supporter of grant after the war, for which he paid dearly. that probably doesn't answer your question, but that's all i know about the relationship. >> richard pittsburgh. i've all the people that were at the surrender ceremony, perhaps the one that is a -- that deserve to be there the most was not george meand. any explanation for that? some say it was logistics of him getting there.
his aid. they found general lee resting at the apple orchard. delivered the message, which in essence would indicate the general lee should select the site of their meeting, and general grant would approach when he arrived. so, general lee sent forward -- actually, he mounted his horse and he had with him his secretary lieutenant, and the headquarters courier, and the two federal offices. they approached the river, the appomattox, but stopped when one person wanted to drink. at which point, general lee set for -- set forward colonel marshall with the headquarters aid to go into the village and find a suitable meeting location. as i mentioned the village was very much neutral location between contending forces. marshall left an account of that ride. he said, general lee told me to go forward and find a house. very critical that he mention house. in the community, there was a courthouse. the courthouse is a judicial chamber. no one is on trial. besides, what day of the week is it? it's sunday. it's locked in close. he continued on, where we could meet general grant, and of all people, who did i meet mclean. i'm sure everyone, or most of you, have heard of mclean. i rode up to him and said, can you show me a house where general lee and grant can meet together? he took me to a house that was dilapidated. it had no furniture in it. i guess we would probably do the same. nonetheless, it was a structure that stood out in front of his two-story brick home, which had an english basement. the house had originally been built in 48. the small building that the colonel was taken to was probably a small building no longer in use. i told him, it wouldn't do. he said, maybe my house will do. he lives in a house and i told him i thought it would suit. i sent him back to bring general lee who was coming up behind. i went into the house and's debt down. after a while, general lee and thatbabcock came along. so, general lee babcock and myself sat down in mclean's parlor and taught in an amicable way. we often hear of general lee's attire when this meeting took place. he had dressed himself in a very sought lists almost new confederate uniform at 1:00 a.m. complete with leather boots, feingold spores -- fine gold spurs. when the general saw him, and inquired why he was so tired it he said, i want to leave my best possible appearance. is this the confidence of a man that thinks his men could break through the federal lines? or is this reality? well, what do we know about mr. mclean and the people who lived in that house? one was age 50. i would consider wilmer and opportunities. he had married his wife, who at this point was four months pregnant. other children were living at the house and the time. i'm sure that all ladies would welcome a bunch of military officers with muddy boots coming into their house unannounced. she had brought to the marriage -- as i mentioned, wilmer was an opportunist -- a fine home called yorkshire, 1200 acres of property in one location, and additional -- an additional 800 acres in another location. wilmer was a sugar importer and a wholesale grocery. when he moved into gotcher, he became a gentleman's farmer. you see, york shire is located in a place called manassas. it was seen fit by a general in july of 1860 want to make his headquarters in mr. mclean's home. mr. mclean will have property at the beginning of the war, the first battle of manassas july 21, 1861, and he will bring it into his parlor in 1865. he had no friends or relatives when he moved to appomattox. he was episcopalian, and most of the inhabitants of the community were baptist and methodist. being a tradesman, he was close to the southside railroad. he could use this for commercial purposes, which had connections to petersburg and lynchburg and points south and north. general lee, when he arrived at the home, i said to be nine stairs, when across the porch into the central hall, and into the parlor, to the left of the central hall. he may have noticed above the fireplace a lithograph drawing. that lithograph drawing was the interview between george washington and -- why do we think general lee would have an interest in the drawing? simply because his wife, mary anna randolph, was the great-granddaughter of martha washington. lee would be related to the washingtons. he would find that he was related to the carter's, the fitzhugh's, the harrise's and the randolph's. many of the first families of virginia. robert's father was henry light horse lee, of revolutionary warfare fame and governor of virginia. his mother was and hill corridor of the king carter family. unfortunate, his father had gambled on speculation and land, which did not materialize. when robert was six, his father left for barbados. robert would not see him again. he had to relatives that were signers of the declaration of independence, richard henry lee and francis lightfoot lee. from his mother, the family had moved to arlington at this point, away from stratford, his birthplace. from his mother, he learned of the economy, moderation, self-control courtesy, jen tilly, honor, and devotion. the fact that he was in his room was duty. he had not asked others to accompany him. he had asked only one other officer to come that did not and that was walter taylor. walter taylor had gotten married , he only been married one week. he declined to come. general lee would not ask others to share in the trial of surrender. in 1825, he would attend the united states military academy and graduate in 1829. graduate second in the class of what he thinks -- of 46. he would become a member of the elite corps of engineers and be responsible for projects and saving the waterfront in st. louis. he and mary would have seven children -- three sons, all of which would serve in the confederate army, and four daughters. in the mexican war, he would serve on general scott staff -- general scott's staff. he would later say the general lee was the best soldier of the field. he would be superintendent of the united states military academy from 1852-1855. on april 17, 1861, virginia would secede and the following day, colonel lee would be offered by francis blair junior command of all federal forces. he would reject the offer. he would resign from the army on april 20 and take command of virginia forces on the 23rd. . june 1, 1862, he took command of the army of northern virginia. we know the rest of the history. seven days stuck at manassas, sharpsburg fredericksburg. on february 9, 1855, he was made general in chief of all confederate forces. 39 years of military service. meanwhile, grant is making his way toward this meeting. he has them, as i mentioned, staff and upon entering the facility, he meets general sheridan and asks where generally is located, and he was in the house there to surrender. rant indicated that -- grant and decay that they should ride. there is a vast difference in general grants background and appearance which makes this meeting kind of a symbolic one of division. a division in the history of the country. a division culturally, industrially. grant would dismount in the courtyard into the same hallway and go into the parlor. general lee is now seated behind a small oval top table, and using a king back chair. he has been about one hour. the longest half hour and e lee's life. one might imagine, since i reiterated all the things i've taken place in his life, and his idol being george washington, the things he would contemplate. when grant enters the parlor, he will bring with him 15-17 other federal offices. and a newspaper officer of the "new york herald." the newspaper reporter traveled with the staff quite regularly. this was not an unusual situation. grant's uniform -- if we can call it that -- was quite the drug will -- money, he had no spurs. he had no cord on his hat. he wore no so lord. he had the uniform of a private, only modified with five buttons. the only distinguishing mark between general grant and i was any other soldier is the fact that he had lieutenant general shoulder boards. he hadn't expected general lead to react as quickly as he had, even though he had indicated to the secretary of war the day before the general lee would surrender on this day. what we know about grant. we know i'd initially that general lee his hand, the two offices shook hands. grant, at this point, is 42 years of age. general lee is 58 years old. he was born on april twice on april twice 7 1822, at a place called point pleasant. he would soon move with the family to georgetown, where he said most of his childhood. his father, jesse grant operated a tannery. he was very outspoken and opinionated. many would call him a know it all. his mother was very genteel. he was born into this world, and given a name of hiram ulysses grant. the young boy hated the tannery. he couldn't stand the smell of it. his name was changed when he entered west point. they only had entry for someone named ulysses simpson grant. the entry was made because of a congressman from the area who thought the boy was named after his mother. he turned out to be an indifferent student at the academy. he had over 250 demerits. he didn't want to go to west point. he wanted to become a mass teacher. but his father insisted and he didn't argue against his father. he set a record at the academy. general grant was an expert horseman. he graduated in 1843, the 21st of 39 cadets. he was assigned to the fourth united states infantry. he went to jettison barrett's where he soon became friends of another officer by the name of james longstreet. he would fight in the mexican war. in 1848, he married julia dance. they would have four children, three sons and one daughter. he did not like being apart from his family or his wife, especially when transferred to many of the western outpost. as a result, he may have taken up the use of alcohol. april 11, 18 54, he was promoted to captain. shortly thereafter, he was forced to resign on being under the influence of alcohol. the acceptance of that resignation was in the secretary of war office, and the secretary of war was jefferson davis. he never showed the stories that would haunt him for the rest of his life. though, in reality, he drink very little. he drink only when -- drank only when, for the most by, separated from his family. he returned to st. louis after several jobs, all of which were failures until finally his father invited him to come work in his leather goods store in illinois. he was there when the war broke out. offered his services to united states army, but without the backing of congressman washburn he probably would have never gotten the command. the local congressman had influenced and saw that the former captain got a regiment. from there, he went on to achieve great military success. for henry shiloh, china, -- chattanooga. he was ordered to washington and he was promoted to lieutenant general. i certainly can't think of anyone who went from the street corners, so to speak, of st. louis, and the leather goods store to lieutenant general in three years. he had promised, obviously. no one since george washington held that rank on a permanent basis. on march 12, he was given command of all federal forces. he took his position in the field. the field would bring forth wilderness, cold harbor, petersburg, and finally meeting with general lee. of volunteers staff officer on general need staff -- general nmean's staff observed him on several occasions and said he is of eyes of clear blue, for head high, a jar set squarely. his face has three expressions deep thought, extreme determination, and great simplicity and confidence. it was hard to shake general grant, even in the present calamity, he would always remain column. what would entitle him to be here? what instructions had he received? how would he know what to put on paper? he met with the president several times. he met with the president on march 28, and again on april 3 in petersburg. he had instructions from a march 3 telegram. he had generally instructions on how to conduct his surrender. of course, there would be no talk of other military forces. that was a political consideration to recognize the other forces as a single unit would be in a sense of recognition of the existence of the confederation, would the lincoln administration would never do. had he had any experience? his military experience. but, i venture to say, that no one had more experience of this procedure, military surrender as general grant. he accepted the surrender of four dollars -- fort donnelly, and he became known as unconditional surrender grant. on july 3 1863. could he put his terms explicitly in writing? would there be any second guessing as to what was intended? i put forward to you that he was an excellent writer. his autobiography was just completed. he died one week earlier. it is still in print today and considered one of the best autobiographies in english language. general mead said that you only need to just -- needed to read his instructions wants to understand their full complicity. he had experience, instructions, and the ability. one thing that is probably also not known about this meeting, and we will talk about what transpires is that grant smoked probably during the entire meeting. one of his staff officers said that he consumed 20 cigars per day. i don't know if he smoked that many or gave them away, or chewed on them, but they said he consumed 20 cigars, and there is no doubt that you probably smoked to relieve the tensions of the meeting during the full preceding. the first conversation between the two generals was talk of the mexican war. that wasn't something that they had written about to discuss. it may have been something that general grant brought forward to ease himself into the discussion. did generally remember general grant? -- general lee remember general grant? sunsetted no. some say the general lee did recognize them. general grant had this to say our conversation grew so pleasant, that i almost forgot the subject of our meeting. after the conversation ran on for some time, general lee brought my attention to the object of the meeting the purpose of getting me to give the terms to his army. i said sadly, his army should lay down arms and not take them up again during the civil war unless duly and properly exchange. he said he so understood my letter. we then fell off again in conversation to matters for of the subject that brought us together. this continued for some time when general lee again interrupted the course of a conversation by suggesting that the terms that i propose to his army ought to be written out. general lee called for the order book. writing in the order book, he began to write out the terms. his order book was kind of a modern copy machine. he could write out an order and have two copies below it which he could then tear out and give to other commanders if he wished. so that time would not be wasted, or the possibility of a mistake in re-copying. the terms, as written, in draft form, stated that the officers of northern virginia would be paroled until properly exchange. the arms the artillery, and all these symbols of war and public property would be surrendered. the officers could retain their personal baggage and courses. -- horses. general grant then detailed one of his staff officers to copy the terms into ink after they had been gone over three fully. -- briefly. while this was taking place, general grant said what general lee's feelings are, i do not know. he is a man as much dignity, it was impossible to say if he felt sad or was to merely to show it. what ever his feelings were, they were entirely concealed from my observations, but my own feelings, which had been jubilant, were sad and depressed. i might add that colonel parker, who would begin the process of copying this draft was not a citizen of the united states. he was a seneca indian. grant had met him in illinois when he was supervising the construction of the post office. colonel parker had gone on to study law, but not being a citizen, he was not allowed to practice. he went on to an institute in new york state, and became a civil engineer. matt recognize the man for his ability, not for his birth. actually before parker began to copy in eating and grant had given the copy to general leaee for him to read and make corrections. there was a correction to be made. the word "exchange" had been left out and lee asked for it to be included, which was granted. the terms were handed to general lee. the terms, as written, where written in ink that was provided by colonel marshall. the federals haven't brought any ink with them. mr. maclean's ego was unusable. so, we will have terms of surrender drafted by a gentleman who is not a citizen of the country, using ink from the opposing side. general lee asked general marshall to complete a letter of acceptance. he completed one, but it was unacceptable, so he required a second effort. he does not have enough paper so he must borrow taper from the federal offices. if you're are looking for symbolism in this meeting, it's all over. if this country is going to have to come together and proceed into the 20th, 21st, 20 second century, it must use the resources of all of its citizens . as well as the physical resources available to them. general grant would then rise and there would be an introduction made with some of the federal offices in the room. general lee would note that seth williams is there. he had been in west point from 1852-1855. he also noted colonel parker and said, it is good to see one real american here. you know what colonel parker said? he said, general, we are all americans. as there is anything that is symbolic with what happened in that room, it is really not about the military event. it's about the feeling that came from it. the feeling to bring about a reunification of the nation after a very bloody contests. i thank you for your indulgence. this meeting lasted until about 3:00. general lee boyd depart and general grant would depart. other events at appomattox are beyond the scope of these meetings. any question? [applause] >> we do have time for a few questions. i see a gentleman standing over here at the microphone in the aisle to the left. if you could give your name and then ask a question we would appreciate it. >> my name is jim morgan. i would like to ask you a question not about the maddox, but about something that you mention happen in general lee's life earlier the offer of the federal army. i question is if you could address the comment -- the controversy of that because there is no record of the conversation, and on the fact that lee at the time was the most junior colonel in the united states army. whether general scott, a stickler for details and protocols, would allow for his junior kernel to jump up over his other generals. >> there are about three questions there. the offer, as we understand it was made by frederick blair junior, not the senior. it was probably made on behalf of the president, who did not want to be turned down if that were the case, and actually, probably wanted to feel out general lee's real intentions and his patriotism in this case. beyond that, we don't know the details. we know that leverage and to this offer if that were made because he went over to see scott, right there after, and told him that he apparently had this offer and rejected it. scott said he was making the biggest mistake of his life. lee was held in great regard by general scott, as i mentioned one of the best soldiers in the army. he had considerable experience in staff positions. whether or not he was jumped over other people, apparently made no difference. at this point, they were looking for the right individual to handle this. and fat, one thing that grant when he became a lieutenant insisted on that he did not have the follow the order of seniority to promote officials. you will find, after general grant became commander in chief, there are a number of positions filled over and above people of older rank. that's all -- was there another part of your question? >> you mentioned some wonderful symbolism between grant and lee. could you add anything, perhaps in the same vein, of symbolism between grant after the surrender in his relationship with don singleton? >> i know very little about his relationship with singleton. he became a supporter of grant and grant appointed him to some foreign post, i believe. i know that he never unattended but one reunion in his life, the i'm aware of. i don't know the in between the two. i also know that longstreet became an ardent supporter of grant after the war, for which he paid dearly. that probably doesn't answer your question, but that's all i know about the relationship. >> richard pittsburgh. i've all the people that were at the surrender ceremony, perhaps the one that is a -- that deserve to be there the most was not george meand. any explanation for that? some say it was logistics of him getting there. >> that's true. general mead was not there. general grant was a very determined and eventual, and he liked -- determined individual and he liked to do think straightforward. he didn't like to make deviations. when he came to see general lee, he came directly from the field and did not send back for or try to get additional uniforms, nor did he ask others to accompany him, other than the stuff that was with him. he happened to me general sheridan upon his entry into the village, so they did accompany him. i don't think there was a particular flight of -- slight of general mead. they did work together. i don't think there was any real and 10, except in the mind of other writers who happen to write about that after the war. he also, of course, did not include general humphreys or right in that meeting as well. i think he did intend to bring his staff with him, because he wanted to have, i think observation of what had taken place. these officers could attest to what had taken place. they could be observers. i don't know that answers your question. what happened with mead, he was in there. he was in an ambulance at the time. he was sick. had a miraculous recovery. after the surrender was announced, by 4:00 that afternoon, he was seen riding up and down into the ranks, and actually went over to see general lee. grant had also a miraculous recovery. he received general lee's message wanting to meet with him, the headache that he had had disappeared. maybe that was the reason. yes. >> my name is susan. i wanted to get back to the mclean house. i understand that after the surrender ceremony, a lot of the furniture went to with the troops. i have often wondered was this voluntary on the part of the mclean's, or were they somewhat forced into giving up the furniture? >> i think they had as much choice in the matter as they did in allowing all those people into the house. i just happen to be prepared for that question. there were a number of items removed from the house. they were removed, i would say, involuntarily by the mclean family. they would contend to descendents later on that nothing was that she for sale itself. americans, being americans called of all generations, like souvenirs. you probably bought some today. general sheridan paid $20 in gold. it is now in the smithsonian institute. i will say that many of the items are still at the park in their collections. many are in museums. the larger pieces in other museums were borrowed back in the 1950's and copy from the original so that they have the same appearance as the original. general sheridan gave a piece to general custer. it was kept 80 custer family and later given to the smithsonian did lee's -- lee's marble top table was obtained for $40 in greenbacks. this was the first time we had a federal currency it could be used anywhere. it is in the chicago historical society now. grant 's solo back chair -- swivel back chair is in the smithsonian institution. please came back chair was obtained by whitaker. that is in the smithsonian. that candlesticks that were on the table, the marble top table were obtained by brigadier general shargh. they are actually in an exhibit. the silent witness i think, is one of the more interesting pieces in the room. it was a ragdoll owned by an eight-year-old girl. it was left in the parlor. when the fed also came in the parlor they started passing among themselves. you can see it today in the parlor c exhibition, called the silent witness. the vase on the mantle remained in the mclean family. they were later given to the park. you can see them. the cell phone was kept in the mclean family. the original is in the park collection in the mclean parlor. the bookcase in the room, it is now in the smithsonian institution. those are the only known furnishings that where in the parlor. there was no interest in the rest of the house because i had nothing to do with the surrender proceeding. even though, general gibson had his headquarters there for a few days afterwards. i hope that answers your question about furniture. >> thank you. [applause] lee's surrender. pre--- please welcome professor varon. elizabeth: thank you. thank you very much. it is a pleasure to share the stage with these scholars. i am grateful to patrick for having included me. you gained great insight into the appomattox campaign and the surrender seen. i would like to turn our attention now to the immediate aftermath, to the political debate's bond by appomattox -- debate spawned by appomattox. i will argue lee and grant represented distinct visions of what the honorable peace would look like. they were fundamentally incompatible, contrary to a myth. they represented fundamentally incompatible visions of what the peace would look like and why the war turned out the way it did. i also try to take us beyond lee and grant. as the drama unfolded, countrymen and women would crowd the scene and have their own agenda aspirations, and dreams. among those dreams was the dream of freedom itself. in the eyes of african-americans, lee's surrender was a freedom day, the day, the moment that the promise of emancipation was fulfilled. lee's vision emphasized confederate righteousness. grant's vision emphasized -- african americans would associate appomattox with liberation. let's start with lee and the confederates. lee and the men in his inner circle , even as this writer took shape, to turn military deceit into moral victory. in lee's view, the union victory was a victory of might overwrite, -- over right. this interpretation was enshrined in the famous farewell address he promulgated through his troops the day of the surrender, april 10. lee says famously, the army of northern virginia has been compelled to yield to overwhelming numbers and resources. lee was implying unmistakably in making this reference to numbers and resources both that the confederate men were -- and the northern victory was illegitimate. the overwhelming numbers and resources argument was about the outcome of the war, a staking of the claim that the yankees had won, not because of their virtue skill, and bravery, but instead because of brute force, numbers, and resources. in lee's eyes an honorable peace would obliterate what he considered the grievous effects of the war those are his words and restore to the country what it had lost. the civic virtue that lee associated with the halcyon days of an imagined past, the days of the early republic. those were the days, as lee saw it, when americans had taken it for granted that virginia would lead the nation. those were the days, as lee saw it, before abolitionists had viewed african-americans as free. he exchanges letters with grant. this will be calmly's -- become lee's political keyword. for example, six months after the surrender, he wrote to his friend the following lament about what had been and what might yet again be. he wrote, as long as virtue was dominant in the republic so long was the happiness of the people secure. may and ever merciful god save us from destruction and restore us to the bright hopes and prospects of the past. this was a fundamentally nostalgic view of the peace nostalgic for the long-gone days. lee cast the surrender terms in the best possible light. he believed that those -- that the surrender was a negotiation in which lee extracted concessions from grant and they believed the piece was contingent on the north's good behavior. it are to protect his troops against possible reprisals, he requested a grant at appomattox a day after the surrender that each individual confederate be issued a printed certificate as proof that the soldier came under the april 9 terms. these certificates vouched that if a surrendered soldier went home and observed the laws where he resided, he would "remain undisturbed." now for confederates, these paroles became cherished artifacts of the war. they represented the consciousness of duties faithfully performed by those men who were there until the final days. but those certificates also represented, in the eyes of confederates, the promise that honorable men would not be treated dishonorably by the victorious yankees. lee intended to hold the union to that promise. a few weeks after the surrender on april 29, 1865, lee gave an interview with the northern reporter. lee wanrned in this interview that if arbitrary, vindictive, or revengeful policies were adopted by the yankee government, southerners would consider the ease surrender terms breached and would renew the fight. the big take away is this. lee has a reputation in the modern-day for having counseled resignation to defeat among southerners. for confederates in the immediate postwar period, the evidence shows he was not a symbol of submission. he was a symbol of measured affiants. to bear this out -- defiance. to bear this out i will talk about how soldiers saw the surrender. the emphasis in the farewell address on confederate righteousness blended seamlessly with the religions convictions of confederate soldiers. many of the rank-and-file surrendered at appomattox clung to the idea that god, however he might chastise his chosen people, would someday deliver them. such a conviction was the most comforting answer to a pervasive question, had all the suffering been in vain? in his april 9 diary entry william wyatt asked, has god forsaken us only to answer, i, for one, can't believe it. god has rarely humbled us to exalt us. grant is prosperity and honor. that night, he noted the men in his regiment clung to him. god moves in mysterious ways. as a historian has put it, providential theology was excellent enough to accommodate defeat for the confederates. many believed god might still furnish victory in his own appointed way and time. a second major theme in confederate soldiers accounts concerns the social composition of the yankee army, the numbers and resources claim was an argument not only about the size of the yankee army, but the composition of the yankee army. in the confederate eyes, the yankees achieved the overwhelming numbers by filling the ranks, as the southern artillery man put it, foreigners of every nationality and regiments of our former slaves. in other words, confederate soldiers believed they had been compelled to surrender to their social inferiors a mercenary army well-suited to the unions hard war tactics. confederates did not believe they had relinquished the moral high ground at appomattox. if we look at these reactions of confederate civilians, we see that echoed in the sediments -- sentiments of soldiers. civilians imagined the surrender scene as an enactment of lee's superiority to grant. one claim circulated through confederate newspapers in late april of 1865. it purported to be accurate, but was not accurate at all. in its, grant refuses to take it. according to the account, grant says, keep that. you have won it by your gallantry. you have been overpowered and i cannot receive it as a token of surrender from so brave a man. of course, rants never said any such thing to robert e. lee. the report seemed credible to confederates because it confirmed the right over might.
he dated his response 1150. he entrusted his response with his aid. they found general lee resting at the apple orchard. delivered the message, which in essence would indicate the general lee should select the site of their meeting, and general grant would approach when he arrived. so, general lee sent forward -- actually, he mounted his horse and he had with him his secretary lieutenant, and the headquarters courier, and the two federal offices. they approached the river, the appomattox, but stopped when one person wanted to drink. at which point, general lee set for -- set forward colonel marshall with the headquarters aid to go into the village and find a suitable meeting location. as i mentioned the village was very much neutral location between contending forces. marshall left an account of that ride. he said, general lee told me to go forward and find a house. very critical that he mention house. in the community, there was a courthouse. the courthouse is a judicial chamber. no one is on trial. besides, what day of the week is it? it's sunday. it's locked in close. he continued on, where we could meet general grant, and of all people, who did i meet mclean. i'm sure everyone, or most of you, have heard of mclean. i rode up to him and said, can you show me a house where general lee and grant can meet together? he took me to a house that was dilapidated. it had no furniture in it. i guess we would probably do the same. nonetheless, it was a structure that stood out in front of his two-story brick home, which had an english basement. the house had originally been built in 48. the small building that the colonel was taken to was probably a small building no longer in use. i told him, it wouldn't do. he said, maybe my house will do. he lives in a house and i told him i thought it would suit. i sent him back to bring general lee who was coming up behind. i went into the house and's debt down. after a while, general lee and thatbabcock came along. so, general lee babcock and myself sat down in mclean's parlor and taught in an amicable way. we often hear of general lee's attire when this meeting took place. he had dressed himself in a very sought lists almost new confederate uniform at 1:00 a.m. complete with leather boots, feingold spores -- fine gold spurs. when the general saw him, and inquired why he was so tired it he said, i want to leave my best possible appearance. is this the confidence of a man that thinks his men could break through the federal lines? or is this reality? well, what do we know about mr. mclean and the people who lived in that house? one was age 50. i would consider wilmer and opportunities. he had married his wife, who at this point was four months pregnant. other children were living at the house and the time. i'm sure that all ladies would welcome a bunch of military officers with muddy boots coming into their house unannounced. she had brought to the marriage -- as i mentioned, wilmer was an opportunist -- a fine home called yorkshire, 1200 acres of property in one location, and additional -- an additional 800 acres in another location. wilmer was a sugar importer and a wholesale grocery. when he moved into gotcher, he became a gentleman's farmer. you see, york shire is located in a place called manassas. it was seen fit by a general in july of 1860 want to make his headquarters in mr. mclean's home. mr. mclean will have property at the beginning of the war, the first battle of manassas july 21, 1861, and he will bring it into his parlor in 1865. he had no friends or relatives when he moved to appomattox. he was episcopalian, and most of the inhabitants of the community were baptist and methodist. being a tradesman, he was close to the southside railroad. he could use this for commercial purposes, which had connections to petersburg and lynchburg and points south and north. general lee, when he arrived at the home, i said to be nine stairs, when across the porch into the central hall, and into the parlor, to the left of the central hall. he may have noticed above the fireplace a lithograph drawing. that lithograph drawing was the interview between george washington and -- why do we think general lee would have an interest in the drawing? simply because his wife, mary anna randolph, was the great-granddaughter of martha washington. lee would be related to the washingtons. he would find that he was related to the carter's, the fitzhugh's, the harrise's and the randolph's. many of the first families of virginia. robert's father was henry light horse lee, of revolutionary warfare fame and governor of virginia. his mother was and hill corridor of the king carter family. unfortunate, his father had gambled on speculation and land, which did not materialize. when robert was six, his father left for barbados. robert would not see him again. he had to relatives that were signers of the declaration of independence, richard henry lee and francis lightfoot lee. from his mother, the family had moved to arlington at this point, away from stratford, his birthplace. from his mother, he learned of the economy, moderation, self-control courtesy, jen tilly, honor, and devotion. the fact that he was in his room was duty. he had not asked others to accompany him. he had asked only one other officer to come that did not and that was walter taylor. walter taylor had gotten married , he only been married one week. he declined to come. general lee would not ask others to share in the trial of surrender. in 1825, he would attend the united states military academy and graduate in 1829. graduate second in the class of what he thinks -- of 46. he would become a member of the elite corps of engineers and be responsible for projects and saving the waterfront in st. louis. he and mary would have seven children -- three sons, all of which would serve in the confederate army, and four daughters. in the mexican war, he would serve on general scott staff -- general scott's staff. he would later say the general lee was the best soldier of the field. he would be superintendent of the united states military academy from 1852-1855. on april 17, 1861, virginia would secede and the following day, colonel lee would be offered by francis blair junior command of all federal forces. he would reject the offer. he would resign from the army on april 20 and take command of virginia forces on the 23rd. . june 1, 1862, he took command of the army of northern virginia. we know the rest of the history. seven days stuck at manassas, sharpsburg fredericksburg. on february 9, 1855, he was made general in chief of all confederate forces. 39 years of military service. meanwhile, grant is making his way toward this meeting. he has them, as i mentioned, staff and upon entering the facility, he meets general sheridan and asks where generally is located, and he was in the house there to surrender. rant indicated that -- grant and decay that they should ride. there is a vast difference in general grants background and appearance which makes this meeting kind of a symbolic one of division. a division in the history of the country. a division culturally, industrially. grant would dismount in the courtyard into the same hallway and go into the parlor. general lee is now seated behind a small oval top table, and using a king back chair. he has been about one hour. the longest half hour and e lee's life. one might imagine, since i reiterated all the things i've taken place in his life, and his idol being george washington, the things he would contemplate. when grant enters the parlor, he will bring with him 15-17 other federal offices. and a newspaper officer of the "new york herald." the newspaper reporter traveled with the staff quite regularly. this was not an unusual situation. grant's uniform -- if we can call it that -- was quite the drug will -- money, he had no spurs. he had no cord on his hat. he wore no so lord. he had the uniform of a private, only modified with five buttons. the only distinguishing mark between general grant and i was any other soldier is the fact that he had lieutenant general shoulder boards. he hadn't expected general lead to react as quickly as he had, even though he had indicated to the secretary of war the day before the general lee would surrender on this day. what we know about grant. we know i'd initially that general lee his hand, the two offices shook hands. grant, at this point, is 42 years of age. general lee is 58 years old. he was born on april twice on april twice 7 1822, at a place called point pleasant. he would soon move with the family to georgetown, where he said most of his childhood. his father, jesse grant operated a tannery. he was very outspoken and opinionated. many would call him a know it all. his mother was very genteel. he was born into this world, and given a name of hiram ulysses grant. the young boy hated the tannery. he couldn't stand the smell of it. his name was changed when he entered west point. they only had entry for someone named ulysses simpson grant. the entry was made because of a congressman from the area who thought the boy was named after his mother. he turned out to be an indifferent student at the academy. he had over 250 demerits. he didn't want to go to west point. he wanted to become a mass teacher. but his father insisted and he didn't argue against his father. he set a record at the academy. general grant was an expert horseman. he graduated in 1843, the 21st of 39 cadets. he was assigned to the fourth united states infantry. he went to jettison barrett's where he soon became friends of another officer by the name of james longstreet. he would fight in the mexican war. in 1848, he married julia dance. they would have four children, three sons and one daughter. he did not like being apart from his family or his wife, especially when transferred to many of the western outpost. as a result, he may have taken up the use of alcohol. april 11, 18 54, he was promoted to captain. shortly thereafter, he was forced to resign on being under the influence of alcohol. the acceptance of that resignation was in the secretary of war office, and the secretary of war was jefferson davis. he never showed the stories that would haunt him for the rest of his life. though, in reality, he drink very little. he drink only when -- drank only when, for the most by, separated from his family. he returned to st. louis after several jobs, all of which were failures until finally his father invited him to come work in his leather goods store in illinois. he was there when the war broke out. offered his services to united states army, but without the backing of congressman washburn he probably would have never gotten the command. the local congressman had influenced and saw that the former captain got a regiment. from there, he went on to achieve great military success. for henry shiloh, china, -- chattanooga. he was ordered to washington and he was promoted to lieutenant general. i certainly can't think of anyone who went from the street corners, so to speak, of st. louis, and the leather goods store to lieutenant general in three years. he had promised, obviously. no one since george washington held that rank on a permanent basis. on march 12, he was given command of all federal forces. he took his position in the field. the field would bring forth wilderness, cold harbor, petersburg, and finally meeting with general lee. of volunteers staff officer on general need staff -- general nmean's staff observed him on several occasions and said he is of eyes of clear blue, for head high, a jar set squarely. his face has three expressions deep thought, extreme determination, and great simplicity and confidence. it was hard to shake general grant, even in the present calamity, he would always remain column. what would entitle him to be here? what instructions had he received? how would he know what to put on paper? he met with the president several times. he met with the president on march 28, and again on april 3 in petersburg. he had instructions from a march 3 telegram. he had generally instructions on how to conduct his surrender. of course, there would be no talk of other military forces. that was a political consideration to recognize the other forces as a single unit would be in a sense of recognition of the existence of the confederation, would the lincoln administration would never do. had he had any experience? his military experience. but, i venture to say, that no one had more experience of this procedure, military surrender as general grant. he accepted the surrender of four dollars -- fort donnelly, and he became known as unconditional surrender grant. on july 3 1863. could he put his terms explicitly in writing? would there be any second guessing as to what was intended? i put forward to you that he was an excellent writer. his autobiography was just completed. he died one week earlier. it is still in print today and considered one of the best autobiographies in english language. general mead said that you only need to just -- needed to read his instructions wants to understand their full complicity. he had experience, instructions, and the ability. one thing that is probably also not known about this meeting, and we will talk about what transpires is that grant smoked probably during the entire meeting. one of his staff officers said that he consumed 20 cigars per day. i don't know if he smoked that many or gave them away, or chewed on them, but they said he consumed 20 cigars, and there is no doubt that you probably smoked to relieve the tensions of the meeting during the full preceding. the first conversation between the two generals was talk of the mexican war. that wasn't something that they had written about to discuss. it may have been something that general grant brought forward to ease himself into the discussion. did generally remember general grant? -- general lee remember general grant? sunsetted no. some say the general lee did recognize them. general grant had this to say our conversation grew so pleasant, that i almost forgot the subject of our meeting. after the conversation ran on for some time, general lee brought my attention to the object of the meeting the purpose of getting me to give the terms to his army. i said sadly, his army should lay down arms and not take them up again during the civil war unless duly and properly exchange. he said he so understood my letter. we then fell off again in conversation to matters for of the subject that brought us together. this continued for some time when general lee again interrupted the course of a conversation by suggesting that the terms that i propose to his army ought to be written out. general lee called for the order book. writing in the order book, he began to write out the terms. his order book was kind of a modern copy machine. he could write out an order and have two copies below it which he could then tear out and give to other commanders if he wished. so that time would not be wasted, or the possibility of a mistake in re-copying. the terms, as written, in draft form, stated that the officers of northern virginia would be paroled until properly exchange. the arms the artillery, and all these symbols of war and public property would be surrendered. the officers could retain their personal baggage and courses. -- horses. general grant then detailed one of his staff officers to copy the terms into ink after they had been gone over three fully. -- briefly. while this was taking place, general grant said what general lee's feelings are, i do not know. he is a man as much dignity, it was impossible to say if he felt sad or was to merely to show it. what ever his feelings were, they were entirely concealed from my observations, but my own feelings, which had been jubilant, were sad and depressed. i might add that colonel parker, who would begin the process of copying this draft was not a citizen of the united states. he was a seneca indian. grant had met him in illinois when he was supervising the construction of the post office. colonel parker had gone on to study law, but not being a citizen, he was not allowed to practice. he went on to an institute in new york state, and became a civil engineer. matt recognize the man for his ability, not for his birth. actually before parker began to copy in eating and grant had given the copy to general leaee for him to read and make corrections. there was a correction to be made. the word "exchange" had been left out and lee asked for it to be included, which was granted. the terms were handed to general lee. the terms, as written, where written in ink that was provided by colonel marshall. the federals haven't brought any ink with them. mr. maclean's ego was unusable. so, we will have terms of surrender drafted by a gentleman who is not a citizen of the country, using ink from the opposing side. general lee asked general marshall to complete a letter of acceptance. he completed one, but it was unacceptable, so he required a second effort. he does not have enough paper so he must borrow taper from the federal offices. if you're are looking for symbolism in this meeting, it's all over. if this country is going to have to come together and proceed into the 20th, 21st, 20 second century, it must use the resources of all of its citizens . as well as the physical resources available to them. general grant would then rise and there would be an introduction made with some of the federal offices in the room. general lee would note that seth williams is there. he had been in west point from 1852-1855. he also noted colonel parker and said, it is good to see one real american here. you know what colonel parker said? he said, general, we are all americans. as there is anything that is symbolic with what happened in that room, it is really not about the military event. it's about the feeling that came from it. the feeling to bring about a reunification of the nation after a very bloody contests. i thank you for your indulgence. this meeting lasted until about 3:00. general lee boyd depart and general grant would depart. other events at appomattox are beyond the scope of these meetings. any question? [applause] >> we do have time for a few questions. i see a gentleman standing over here at the microphone in the aisle to the left. if you could give your name and then ask a question we would appreciate it. >> my name is jim morgan. i would like to ask you a question not about the maddox, but about something that you mention happen in general lee's life earlier the offer of the federal army. i question is if you could address the comment -- the controversy of that because there is no record of the conversation, and on the fact that lee at the time was the most junior colonel in the united states army. whether general scott, a stickler for details and protocols, would allow for his junior kernel to jump up over his other generals. >> there are about three questions there. the offer, as we understand it was made by frederick blair junior, not the senior. it was probably made on behalf of the president, who did not want to be turned down if that were the case, and actually, probably wanted to feel out general lee's real intentions and his patriotism in this case. beyond that, we don't know the details. we know that leverage and to this offer if that were made because he went over to see scott, right there after, and told him that he apparently had this offer and rejected it. scott said he was making the biggest mistake of his life. lee was held in great regard by general scott, as i mentioned one of the best soldiers in the army. he had considerable experience in staff positions. whether or not he was jumped over other people, apparently made no difference. at this point, they were looking for the right individual to handle this. and fat, one thing that grant when he became a lieutenant insisted on that he did not have the follow the order of seniority to promote officials. you will find, after general grant became commander in chief, there are a number of positions filled over and above people of older rank. that's all -- was there another part of your question? >> you mentioned some wonderful symbolism between grant and lee. could you add anything, perhaps in the same vein, of symbolism between grant after the surrender in his relationship with don singleton? >> i know very little about his relationship with singleton. he became a supporter of grant and grant appointed him to some foreign post, i believe. i know that he never unattended but one reunion in his life, the i'm aware of. i don't know the in between the two. i also know that longstreet became an ardent supporter of grant after the war, for which he paid dearly. that probably doesn't answer your question, but that's all i know about the relationship. >> richard pittsburgh. i've all the people that were at the surrender ceremony, perhaps the one that is a -- that deserve to be there the most was not george meand. any explanation for that? some say it was logistics of him getting there. >> that's true. general mead was not there. general grant was a very determined and eventual, and he liked -- determined individual and he liked to do think straightforward. he didn't like to make deviations. when he came to see general lee, he came directly from the field and did not send back for or try to get additional uniforms, nor did he ask others to accompany him, other than the stuff that was with him. he happened to me general sheridan upon his entry into the village, so they did accompany him. i don't think there was a particular flight of -- slight of general mead. they did work together. i don't think there was any real and 10, except in the mind of other writers who happen to write about that after the war. he also, of course, did not include general humphreys or right in that meeting as well. i think he did intend to bring his staff with him, because he wanted to have, i think observation of what had taken place. these officers could attest to what had taken place. they could be observers. i don't know that answers your question. what happened with mead, he was in there. he was in an ambulance at the time. he was sick. had a miraculous recovery. after the surrender was announced, by 4:00 that afternoon, he was seen riding up and down into the ranks, and actually went over to see general lee. grant had also a miraculous recovery. he received general lee's message wanting to meet with him, the headache that he had had disappeared. maybe that was the reason. yes. >> my name is susan. i wanted to get back to the mclean house. i understand that after the surrender ceremony, a lot of the furniture went to with the troops. i have often wondered was this voluntary on the part of the mclean's, or were they somewhat forced into giving up the furniture? >> i think they had as much choice in the matter as they did in allowing all those people into the house. i just happen to be prepared for that question. there were a number of items removed from the house. they were removed, i would say, involuntarily by the mclean family. they would contend to descendents later on that nothing was that she for sale itself. americans, being americans called of all generations, like souvenirs. you probably bought some today. general sheridan paid $20 in gold. it is now in the smithsonian institute. i will say that many of the items are still at the park in their collections. many are in museums. the larger pieces in other museums were borrowed back in the 1950's and copy from the original so that they have the same appearance as the original. general sheridan gave a piece to general custer. it was kept 80 custer family and later given to the smithsonian did lee's -- lee's marble top table was obtained for $40 in greenbacks. this was the first time we had a federal currency it could be used anywhere. it is in the chicago historical society now. grant 's solo back chair -- swivel back chair is in the smithsonian institution. please came back chair was obtained by whitaker. that is in the smithsonian. that candlesticks that were on the table, the marble top table were obtained by brigadier general shargh. they are actually in an exhibit. the silent witness i think, is one of the more interesting pieces in the room. it was a ragdoll owned by an eight-year-old girl. it was left in the parlor. when the fed also came in the parlor they started passing among themselves. you can see it today in the parlor c exhibition, called the silent witness. the vase on the mantle remained in the mclean family. they were later given to the park. you can see them. the cell phone was kept in the mclean family. the original is in the park collection in the mclean parlor. the bookcase in the room, it is now in the smithsonian institution. those are the only known furnishings that where in the parlor. there was no interest in the rest of the house because i had nothing to do with the surrender proceeding. even though, general gibson had his headquarters there for a few days afterwards. i hope that answers your question about furniture. >> thank you. [applause] lee's surrender. pre--- please welcome professor varon. elizabeth: thank you. thank you very much. it is a pleasure to share the stage with these scholars. i am grateful to patrick for having included me. you gained great insight into the appomattox campaign and the surrender seen. i would like to turn our attention now to the immediate aftermath, to the political debate's bond by appomattox -- debate spawned by appomattox. i will argue lee and grant represented distinct visions of what the honorable peace would look like. they were fundamentally incompatible, contrary to a myth. they represented fundamentally incompatible visions of what the peace would look like and why the war turned out the way it did. i also try to take us beyond lee and grant. as the drama unfolded, countrymen and women would crowd the scene and have their own agenda aspirations, and dreams. among those dreams was the dream of freedom itself. in the eyes of african-americans, lee's surrender was a freedom day, the day, the moment that the promise of emancipation was fulfilled. lee's vision emphasized confederate righteousness. grant's vision emphasized -- african americans would associate appomattox with liberation. let's start with lee and the confederates. lee and the men in his inner circle , even as this writer took shape, to turn military deceit into moral victory. in lee's view, the union victory was a victory of might overwrite, -- over right. this interpretation was enshrined in the famous farewell address he promulgated through his troops the day of the surrender, april 10. lee says famously, the army of northern virginia has been compelled to yield to overwhelming numbers and resources. lee was implying unmistakably in making this reference to numbers and resources both that the confederate men were -- and the northern victory was illegitimate. the overwhelming numbers and resources argument was about the outcome of the war, a staking of the claim that the yankees had won, not because of their virtue skill, and bravery, but instead because of brute force, numbers, and resources. in lee's eyes an honorable peace would obliterate what he considered the grievous effects of the war those are his words and restore to the country what it had lost. the civic virtue that lee associated with the halcyon days of an imagined past, the days of the early republic. those were the days, as lee saw it, when americans had taken it for granted that virginia would lead the nation. those were the days, as lee saw it, before abolitionists had viewed african-americans as free. he exchanges letters with grant. this will be calmly's -- become lee's political keyword. for example, six months after the surrender, he wrote to his friend the following lament about what had been and what might yet again be. he wrote, as long as virtue was dominant in the republic so long was the happiness of the people secure. may and ever merciful god save us from destruction and restore us to the bright hopes and prospects of the past. this was a fundamentally nostalgic view of the peace nostalgic for the long-gone days. lee cast the surrender terms in the best possible light. he believed that those -- that the surrender was a negotiation in which lee extracted concessions from grant and they believed the piece was contingent on the north's good behavior. it are to protect his troops against possible reprisals, he requested a grant at appomattox a day after the surrender that each individual confederate be issued a printed certificate as proof that the soldier came under the april 9 terms. these certificates vouched that if a surrendered soldier went home and observed the laws where he resided, he would "remain undisturbed." now for confederates, these paroles became cherished artifacts of the war. they represented the consciousness of duties faithfully performed by those men who were there until the final days. but those certificates also represented, in the eyes of confederates, the promise that honorable men would not be treated dishonorably by the victorious yankees. lee intended to hold the union to that promise. a few weeks after the surrender on april 29, 1865, lee gave an interview with the northern reporter. lee wanrned in this interview that if arbitrary, vindictive, or revengeful policies were adopted by the yankee government, southerners would consider the ease surrender terms breached and would renew the fight. the big take away is this. lee has a reputation in the modern-day for having counseled resignation to defeat among southerners. for confederates in the immediate postwar period, the evidence shows he was not a symbol of submission. he was a symbol of measured affiants. to bear this out -- defiance. to bear this out i will talk about how soldiers saw the surrender. the emphasis in the farewell address on confederate righteousness blended seamlessly with the religions convictions of confederate soldiers. many of the rank-and-file surrendered at appomattox clung to the idea that god, however he might chastise his chosen people, would someday deliver them. such a conviction was the most comforting answer to a pervasive question, had all the suffering been in vain? in his april 9 diary entry william wyatt asked, has god forsaken us only to answer, i, for one, can't believe it. god has rarely humbled us to exalt us. grant is prosperity and honor. that night, he noted the men in his regiment clung to him. god moves in mysterious ways. as a historian has put it, providential theology was excellent enough to accommodate defeat for the confederates. many believed god might still furnish victory in his own appointed way and time. a second major theme in confederate soldiers accounts concerns the social composition of the yankee army, the numbers and resources claim was an argument not only about the size of the yankee army, but the composition of the yankee army. in the confederate eyes, the yankees achieved the overwhelming numbers by filling the ranks, as the southern artillery man put it, foreigners of every nationality and regiments of our former slaves. in other words, confederate soldiers believed they had been compelled to surrender to their social inferiors a mercenary army well-suited to the unions hard war tactics. confederates did not believe they had relinquished the moral high ground at appomattox. if we look at these reactions of confederate civilians, we see that echoed in the sediments -- sentiments of soldiers. civilians imagined the surrender scene as an enactment of lee's superiority to grant. one claim circulated through confederate newspapers in late april of 1865. it purported to be accurate, but was not accurate at all. in its, grant refuses to take it. according to the account, grant says, keep that. you have won it by your gallantry. you have been overpowered and i cannot receive it as a token of surrender from so brave a man. of course, rants never said any such thing to robert e. lee.
>> thank you. it's indeed a pleasure to be here. i think this is the 16th seminar. i think we owe a debt of gratitude to longwood university and to dr. coles and patrick schroder and you ought to give them all a round of applause. [ applause ] how many of you, and there are quite a few of you, have been to the mcclain house at appomattox courthouse? that makes things rather easy for me. it's time for lunch i believe. one thing that's probably not generally known is that the first offer of surrender didn't come from a letter from general grant. it came from a group of officers that have gathered april 7th and these officers concluded that because the circumstances facing the army that it might be best to suggest to general lee that he opened negotiations with general grant. they selected him as their spokesman. william nelson for episcopalian. he approached general lee that day. he would not hear that suggestion. he said there were too many brave and good men. general grant and most of the federal forces moved in. general lee moved the army of northern virginia north of the appomattox river. general grant establishes his headquarters at the prince edward hotel also known as the ran randolph house which no longer stands. last night i had the pleasure of staying at the longwood bed and breakfast on high street. in one of those rooms this one happened to be occupied by chris hawkins. it's a desk along with other furniture. the furniture came from general grant's quarters in the prince edward hotel. on one of those pieces he wrote out a letter to general lee. it would turn out to be the first letter asking for the surrender of the army of north virginia. it was written about 5:00 that afternoon. was a bridges had been burned he had to take a route over the wagon bridge underneath high bridge. he didn't reach general lee until about 9:00 that evening. he had some difficulty getting his messages through the mines but was eventually able to do so. general lee received the message, read it, didn't say anything. he then handed it to james long street. james long street had won very cryptic and brief reply not yet. the army then would pick itself up out of the entrenchments and mover further westward. we knew that road would take them to a place called appomattox courthouse. when general lee read the letter he requires a response. his response was he didn't think it was time to surrender the army but what terms did general grant propose considering its surrender. general grant, of course, then would write a reply but this wouldn't reach general lee until the next day on the 8th. meanwhile, general lee had progressed to within a very short distance of appomattox courthouse when this second message got to him. it quite simply said that general grant proposed to accept the surrender of the army of northern virginia by the men laying down their arms and to be exchanged until properly exchanged being paroled. in other words they could go home. this is where the situation gets a little different. it's near midnight. general lee has written a letter of response and the letter of response reaches general grant at his headquarters along the roadside near shepherds. the general is undergoing a severe migrationegraine headache and nothing could seem to ease him including the staff officers that are playing an out of tune piano. general grant only understood stood two songs. one was yankee doodle and the other one wasn't. the message that reached him was a much serious nature. general lee changed the entire nature of the correspondence. he approached general grant on a prospect of peace surrendering all confederate forces. this is something that has a little prior history to it. on march 2nd general lee had written to general grant and it said in that message sincerely desiring to leave nothing untried that may put an end to the calamities of war, i propose to meet you at such convenient time and place as you may designate with the hope of upon interchange of views it may be found practical to submit to the subject of controversy between the two belligerents a convention of the kind mentions. he proposed a peace settlement. message was sent to the war department. general grant received the following response written by the president but signed by secretary of war. it says general grant, the president directs you to say that he wishes you to have no conference with general lee unless it be for the copitchlation of general lee's army or some military manner. he instructs you to say you're not to decide discuss, confer upon any political considerations. such questions are the president holds in his own hands and will submit them to no military conference or convention. he suggested the meeting take place at 10:00 on palm sunday morning wean the two lines of the forces. general grant would not respond. he would not respond until the next day of april 9th. as we know, general lee had held a council war at his headquarters the night of the 8th around midnight and it was determined that if they were successful in breakthrough the federal blockage they would continue down into campbell courthouse and pennsylvania county and down into the hillsboro region. if unsuccessful then lee, general lee was to be notified so that flags and troops could be sent out. we know that the attack was not successful. general lee now would order that flags of truce be sent out along the lines. this would be about 10:00 in the morning of the 9th that this was done. general lee would ride through general long street's lines which we seen on the previous maps or to the north of appomattox with the hope of meeting general grant. general grant was not there. general grant had taken a ride now from his headquarters across country with his staff and escort cavalry the find out what the general was doing in front of the army. the ride in excess of 24 or 25 miles. so was general lee to do at this point? he attended the meeting. battle had gone badly against him and federal forces were closing in very tightly around him. if you orwere general lee, what would you do? he didn't hesitate. he dictate a third letter in which we proposed the meet general grant on terms previously offered of the previous day. this was taken into the adjacent federal lines but was told that general grant was not present. that an attack had been ordered and could not be stopped. he asked him to read carefully the instructions he asked to send to general grant. they did so and came back in response from general mead who was present. he was will riding in an ambulance but he respopdnded indicatinge inging received message and they would try to locate general grant so action could be taken. he also allowed for an armistacis to take place. no one occupied it. it was a neutral location between the contending forces. general grant was eventually located by lieutenant charles and general lee's message was brought. an actual fourth letter was sent by general lieu. another thing that's not generally known yet appomattox during this time of armistice that a group of officers both federal and union met around the courthouse building. they were there for about an hour and a half. it was in essence a west point. gordon was there. wilcox was there. sheridan was there opinion chamberlain was there and many other officers. they liberally shared contents that were brought out. there was an agreement made. the agreement was between general orde and general long longstreet there would be no movement of troops unless the other counterpart was notified. everyone kind of settled down in place. general lee who had written through longstreet's lines came back to where the four of his army was now located near the appomattox river. you can imagine how tired he would have been after three nights on the road, three days responsibility. the losses he had sustained. he took his place. sitting on a bunch of fence rails in sweeney's apple orchard. he would await the arrival or response from general grant. as i mentioned, general grant was located. the message was delivered. he dated his response 11:50. he entrusted his response to lieutenant william key dunn. they found general lee resting at apple orchard, delivered the message that general lee should select the site of their meeting and general grant would approach when he arrived. general lee then sent forward actually he mounted his horse traveler. he had with him his secretary lieutenant colonel charles marshal and courier by the name of william mckey dunn and the two federal officers. they approached the river the appomattox using a fjord. he sent forward colonel marshal with the headquarter's aid to go into the village and find a suitable meeting location. as i mentioned the village was very much of a neutral location. marshal left an account of that ride. he said general lee told me to go forward and find a house. in the community there was the courthouse. no one is on trial. besides, what day of the week is it? it's sunday. it's locked and it's closed. he continued on where we could meet general grant and of all people whom should i meet, mcclain. i'm sure everyone or most of you probably heard of wilmer mclain. i rode up to him and said can you show me a house where general lee and grant could meet together. he took me to a house that was de dilapidated and had no furniture in it. it was a structure that stood out in front of his two story brick home which has an english basement. the house originally been built in 1848 probably as a tavern. this small building that the colonel was taken to was probably an ancillary structure a small building no longer in use. i told them it wouldn't do. then he said maybe my house will do. he lived in a very comfortable house. i told him i thought it would suit. i had taken the orderly along with me and i sent him back to bring general lee and babcock who were coming on behind. i went into the house and sat down and after a while they came in. colonel babcock said he would meet general grant and turn him in when he came along. general lee babcock and myself sat down in the parlor and talk talked in the most friendly way. the conference took place. he dressed himself in very much a thoughtless almost new confederate gray uniform at 1:00 in the morning of april 9th complete with leather boots, fine gold spurs fine filled hat, gauntlets presentation sword. when it was acquired why he was so attired. he said i probably have to be general grant's prisoner and want to be my best possible appearance. is this the confidence of man who thinks his men would breakthrough the federal lines or is it reality? what do we know about mr. mcclain and the people that lived in that house? wilmur was age 50. i would consider him an opportunityist. he married virginia haugh and heavy beverly mcclain who was now four months pregnant. she had five other children living in the house at the time. i'm sure the ladies living in this auditorium would just welcome a bunch of military officers with muddy boots coming into their house unannounced. she brought to the marriage a fine home 14 slaves, 1200 acres of property in one location and an additional 830 in other locations. wilmer was a sugar importer and a wholesale grocer. when he moved into yorkshire he became a gentleman farmer. it's located in a place called manasas. it was seen fit by general boragard to make his headquarters in mr. mcclain's home. he'll have property at the beginning of the war. being a tradesman, he was close to the south side railroad. he could use this for commercial purposes which had connections in petersburg and lynchburg and points south as well as north. general lee, when he arrived ascended the nine stars, entered the central hall and then into the parlor to the left of the central hall. he may have noticed above the fireplace a lithograph drawing. it was the interview between george washington and martha. why do we think that general lee would have an interest in that drawing? simply because his wife mary anna randolph was the great granddaughter of martha washington. lee would be related to the washingtons. he would find he was related to the carters, the fitzhugh's and the randolph's, many of the first families of virginia. report robert's father was henry lighthouse robert lee. unfortunately, his father has a propensity to gamble on speculation and land which did not materialize. when robert was 6 his father left for barbados and robert would not see him again. he had two relatives that were signers of the declaration of independence. richard henry lee and francis lightlee. from his mother, the family moved to arlington at this point away from stratford his birthplace. from his mother he learned moderation, self-control, court see, gentility, honor self-devotion. the fact he was in this room was duty.lf-devotion. the fact he was in this room was duty. he asked only one other officer to come that did not and that was walter taylor. he had gotten married. he had only been married a week. he declined to come. 1825 he would attend the united states military academy and graduate in 1829 with no demerits graduating second in a class of 46. he would be responsible for building projects of fort monroe and saving the water front in st. louis. he and mary would have seven children, three sons all which would serve in the confederate army and four daughters. he later would say that lee was the very best soldier he had ever saw in the field. he would be in the military academy from 1852 to 1855. on the 17th of april 1861, virginia would succeed. the following day colonel lee would be offered by frances p.blair junior command of all forces. he would reject the offer. he would resign from the army on the 20th of april and take command of virginia forces on the 23rd of april. february 9th of 1865 he was made general in chief of all confederate forces. 39 years of military service. grant is making his way toward this intended meeting. he has with him staff he said he's in the house there. he's there to surrender to you. grant indicated they should ride down. there's a vast difference in general grant's background and his appearance which makes this meeting kind of a symbolic one of a division. a division in the history of the country. a division culturally, industrially. general lee is seated behind a small oval top table. he's been there about a half hour. it's the longest half hour in robert e. lee's life. one might imagine since i reiterated all the things that had taken place in his life and his idol being george washington, the things that he was contemplating. the newspaper reporter traflveled with the staff quite regularly so this was not an unusual situation. grant's uniform, if we can call it that, was quite bedraggled. it was muddy from the 20-plus mile ride. he had no spurs. of course, he didn't need them because he was an expert horsesman. he had no cord on his hat. he wore no sword. he had the uniform blouse of a private only modified with five buttons. he indicated through what the secretary wore the day before that general lee would surrender on this day. what do we know about grant? we know initially that general lee extended his hand, two officers shook hands. grant is at this point is 42 years of age. general lee is 58. he's born on the 27th of april on the front tier of ohio called point pleasant. he would move with the family when they moved to georgetown where he spent most of his childhood. his father ordinary personperated a tannery. he was very outspoken, very opinionated and many would call him a know it all. his mother was very gentile. he was born into this world and given a name of hiram ulysses grant. the young boy hated the tannery. he couldn't stand the smell of it. his name was changed when he entered west point. they only had entry for someone named ulysses. he thought that the boy was named after his mother. he turned out to be an indifferent student at the academy. he had over 250 demerits. he dapts want to go to west point. he wanted to be a math teacher and you didn't argue against his father. he graduated in 1843, 21st of 39 cadets cadets. he was assigned to the fourth united states infantry. he went to jefferson barracks where he soon became friends with another officer by the name of james longstreet. he would fight in the mexican war. he did not like being apart from his family or his wife. as a result he may have taken up the use of alcohol. april 11th 1854 he was promoted to captain. shortly he was forced to resign on being under the influence of alcohol. the acceptance of that recognize was in the secretary war office. the secretary of war was jefferson davis. he never shook stories that would haunt him for the rest of his life. in reality he drank very little. he drank only when for the most part separated from his family. he returned the st. louis, had several jobs all of which were failures until finally his father invited him to work in his leather goods store in illinois. he was there when the war broke out. without backing he probably never would have gotten command. he had influence and saw the former captain got an illinois regimen. from there he went onto achieve great military success. he was ordered to washington on the 3rd of march 1864. on the 9th he was promoted to lieutenant general. i can't think of anyone that went from the street corners, so to speak of st. louis in a leather goods store to lieutenant general in three years. he had promise obviously. on the 12th of march he was given command of all federal forces but he took his position in the field. the field would bring forth wilderness of pennsylvania, cold harbor petersburg and finally the meeting with general lee. he said he is rather under middle might of a light build light brown hair and short brown beard. his eyes are clear blue. his face has three expressions deep thought extreme determination and great simplicity and calmness. it was hard to shake general grant. he would always remain waumnin calm. what would entitle him to be here at this meeting? what instructions had he received? how would he know what to put on paper. he met with the president several times. he met him again on the third of april in petersburg. he had what the president's feelings were and his instructions on how to conduct should a surrender take place. had he had any experience? he had his military experience. i venture to say that no one had more experience at this procedure, military surrender than general grant. he had accepted the surrender of fort donaldson. of course, on condition fall terms. he became known as uncondition that will surrender grant. he accepted the copitchlation on july 3rd 1863. could he put his terms in writing? would there be any second guessing as to what was intended. i put forward he was an excellent writer. general made said you only needed to read his instructions once. you had experience and instruction and he had the ability. ss it's not uncustomary for him to smoke excessively. he would consume 20 cigars day. i don't know if he smoked that many or give them away. he consumed 20 cigars. there's no doubt that he probably smoked two release the tensions of the meeting during this whole proceeding. they're first conversation was talk of the mexican war. that wasn't something that they had written about to discuss. it may have been something that general grant brought forward to ease himself into the discussion. did general lee remember general grant? some authors say no. general grant korcolonel marshal they said general lee did recognize him. general grant had this to say. our conversation grew so pleasant that i almost forgot the subject of our meeting. after the conversation run on this style for some time general lee caught my attention to the object of our meeting and said he asked for this interview for the purpose of getting from me the terms i proposed to get in his army. i said that his army should lay down their arms not to take them up again during the contiuance of the war unless duly and properly exchanged. he said he so understood my letter. then we gradually fell off again in a conversation about matters foreign to the subject that had brought us together. this continued for some little time when general lee again interrupted the course of the conversation that the terms ought to be written out. general lee called for his order book. he sent for three copies. he began to write out the terms. his order book was like a modern copy machine. he could write out an order and have two copies below it which he could tear out and give to other commanders if he voiced the same order to be replicated so the time would not be wasted or mistake be made in recopying. the terms were written in draft form stated that the officers would be paroled until properly exchanged. that the arms, artillery and all the symbols of war public property would be surrendered. that the officers could retain their side arms and personal baggage and horses. general grant detailed one of his staff officers, lieutenant cornell parker to copy the terms into ink after they had been gone over briefly and several words interlined. while this is taking place, general grant said what general lee's feelings were i do not know as he was man of much dignity with an impassable face that wasn't impossible to say whether he felt glad that the end had finally come or he felt sad of the result or too manly to show it. whatever his feelings were, they were concealed from my observation. my own feelings were sad and depressed. might add did cornell eli parker was not a citizen of the united states. he was a seneca indian. grant met him when he was superviesuper supervising the courthouse. he had gone onto study law but not being a citizen, he couldn't practice. he had become a civil engineer. grant recognized the man for his ability not for his birthright. before parker began to copy it into ink grant had handed the draft to general lee for him to read and make any noted corrections. there was a correction to be made. the word education changed had been left out and general lee asked for permission for the word to be included, which was granted. colonel parker completed his task. the terms were handed to general lee. terms as written, however were written in ink. that was provided by colonel marshal. the federals hadn't brought any ink with them. mr. mcclain's ink was gummy. it will have terms of surrender drafted by a gentleman who is not a citizen of the country using ink from the opposing side. general lee wanted him to draft a letter of acceptance. completes one form but is unacceptable to the general and he requires a second effort. he does not have a lot of paper so he must borrow paper from the federal officers. if you're looking for symbolism in this meeting it's all over. if this country is going to have to come together and proceed into the 20th 21st 22nd century, it must use the resources of all of its citizens as well as the physical resources available to them. general grant will then rise and it will be an introduction made. general lee will note that seth williams is there. he was at west point if 1852 to '55. he also note colonel parker in saying it was good to see one real american here. you know what colonel parker said, he said general as he shook his hand, we're all americans. if there's anything that's symbolic with what happened in that room it's really not about the military events, it's about the feeling that came from it. the feeling to bring about a reunification of the nation after a very, very bloody contest. thank you for your indulgence. this meeting lasted until about 3:00. general lee would depart and general grant would depart. other events occurred at appomattox but they are beyond the scope of the surrender proceedings. are there any questions? [ applause ] >> duo have time for a few questions. i see a gentleman standing over here in the aisle to our left. if you can give your name and ask your question. appreciate. >> yes, sir, my name is jim morgan. i'd like to ask you a question not about appomattox but something you mentioned that occurred in general lee's life earlier and that is the supposed offer of the full command of the union army by francis blair. if you could address the controversy over that based on the fact there was no real record of the conversation that blair is maybe not had the authority to do it and on the fact that lee at the time, was the most junior colonel in the united states army having only been a full colonel for a couple of months and whether general scott would have allowed his most junior colonel to be jumped over the commanders. >> there's about three questions there. the offer as we understand it was made by blair junior, not the senior. it's probably made on behalf of the president who didn't want to be turned down if that were the case. probably wanted to feel out general lee's real intentions and his patriotism in this case. beyond that, we don't know the details. we know that lee rejected this offer if it were made because he went over to see scott right there after and told him that he had this offer made. he had rejected it and scott said he was making the biggest mistake of his life. lee was held in great regard by general scott. as i mentioned he was one of the best soldiers in field in the army. he had considerable experience not if the field but in staff positions. whether or not he was jumped over other people made to difference at this point. they were looking for the right individual to handle this. in fact, one thing that grant when he became a lieutenant general insisted upon was that he did not have to follow the order of seniority to promote individuals. you'll find that after general grant becomes commander in chief that there are a number of positions that filled over and above people of older rank. the other part of your question. >> you mentioned some wonderful symbolism between grant and lee. could you add anything perhaps in the same vain symbolism between grant after the surrender and his relationship with john singleton mosby. >> i know very little about his relationship with john singleton mosby other than mosby became a supporter of grant and grant a pointed him to some foreign post. i know that mosby never attended but one reunion in his life that i'm ware of. i don't know interrelationships between the two. i also know that longstreet became a supporter of grant after the war for which he paid dearly for that support. that probably doesn't answer your question but that's all i know of their relationship. >> richard feller. with all the people at the surrender ceremony perhaps the one that deserved to be there the most wasn't george bean. any explain for that. some people say it's because of the logistics of him getting there. if you can get communications to lee three time it seems to get to the army of the potomac commander to participate. >> that's true. general immediate was not there. general grant was a very determined individual and he'd like to do things very much straightforward. he didn't like to make def deviations. hen when he came to see general lee he came directly from the field and he didn't send back for or try to get addition that will uniforms nor did he ask others to accompany him to the meeting. he happened to meet general sheridan on his entry into the village. i don't think there was a particular slight of general mead. the two did work together. maybe not as closely as some would like for that to happen. they did work together but i don't think there was any real intent except in the mind of other writers who happened to write about that after the war. he also didn't include general humphre humphrey's or general wright in that meeting. i think he did intend to bring his taf with himstaff with him because he wanted to have observation that had taken place. these officers could attest to what had taken place. they would be observers. i don't know in that answers your question. what happened was mead wasn't there. he was in an ambulance at the time. he was sick. he had a miraculous recovery after the surrender was announced. by 4:00 that afternoon he have seen riding up and down into the racks and actually went over to see general lee. grant had also a miraculous recovery. he received general lee message, the headache he had disappeared. maybe that was the reason. yes. >> my name is susan. i wanted to get back to the house. i understand that after the surrender ceremony that a lot of the furniture went with the troops. i've often wondered was this voluntary on the part of the mcclain's or were they somewhat forced into giving up this furniture? >> i think they had as much choice in the matter as they did in allowing all of those people in their house. i just happen to be prepared for that question. there was a number of items that were removed from the house. they were removed involuntary by the mcclain family. they would also contend later on that nothing was for sale itself. americans have been americans of all generations like souvenirs. you probably bought a lot of them out here today. who wouldn't like to have the table that general grant used in drafting the terms. general sheridan thought so. he paid $20 in gold for it. i'll say that many of the items are still at the park in their collections. many are at the museums. the ones that are larger pieces were borrowed back in the 1950s so they have the same appearance as the originals. general sheridan gave the piece to general custer. it was kept infh and later given to the smithsonian. this is the first time we have a national currency during the civil war. it could be used anywhere. it is in the chicago historical society today. grant's swivel back chair. he sat in an office type chair that was swivelled with a leather back on it. that was obtained by general henry capehart. he was in custard's division too. that is in the smithsonian institution. lee's cane back chair was obtained by colonel edward whittaker. it's in the smithsonian. the candle sticks that were on the table the marble top table was obtained by brigadier sharp. the silence witness is one of the more interesting pieces in the room. it was a rag deal owned by an 8-year-old girl. it has been left in the parlor. when the federal officers came into the parlor they saw the doll and started kind of passing it among themselves. it was later taken by captain thomas w.c. moore. the family later returned it. you can see it in the park collection called the silent witness. the vase mantles. mantles on the vase. they remained in the mclean family and they were later given to the park and can you see those mantle vases on existence. that was kept in the mclean family and it is in the -- the original is in a park collection in the mclean parlor. and the secretary bookcase in the room is now in the smithsonian and that was kept in the mclean family. those are the only known furnishings that were in the parlor. there was no interest in the rest of the house because it had nothing to do with the surrender proceedings. even though gem given had his headquarters there afterwards for a-- for a few days. so i hope that answers your question about the furniture. afterwards for -- for a few days. so i hope that answers your question about the furniture. >> thank you, ron. >> you're welcome. >> join american history tv for live coverage of ceremonies marking the 150th anniversary of the surrender at appomattox. in april of 1865 general robert e. lee met url grant in the ville amg of appomattox courthouse and sur rendered her army ending the civil war. we'll be live in appomattox in virginia on april 9th and 12th as historians including the university of richmond ed heirs reflect on the last battles and reflect on the last battle of appomattox and bring you re-enactments from the key moments of 150 years ago and open our fine loans to take your calls foragers david blight and elizabeth varron. here on sunday on american history tv on c-span3. >> this sunday on q&a, senior editor andrew ferguson, on the gop candidates for 2016 and what voters are looking for in a candidate. >> they want somebody who looks like he's stood up for them. i'm amazed now to the degree to which primary voters on both sides are motivated by resentment. and the sense of being put upon. and those people really don't understand us. and here is a guy who does understand us and he's going to stick it to them and that happens on both sides. hillary clinton will give her own version of that kind of thing. and i don't think that was actually true 30 years ago. i mean resentment has always been part of politics obviously. but to the degree that which it is exclusively the motivating factor in republicans and democrats. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern and 7:00 p.m. pacific on q&a. american history tv visited longwood university in virginia for a seminar on the closing of the civil war in 1865 it. was co-hosted by the appomattox courthouse civil park. and liz ben varon talks about the ending of the appomattox civil war. this is about 50