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and that there are actually independent voters, there are voters who are still on the fence, who can still be persuade ed and i think it s easy to forget that in this current moment. they are so polarized, you think they re either in one camp or the other. but there are still some persuadable voters out there. the other alchemy of this election is the other part of the coalition, which is whether biden can actually turn out the base. and so that s just as important as a story. it s not waiting for joe the plumber to decide who he or she might want to vote for at the last minute, those kind of voters that go back and forth. it s also about turning out the base. and biden has a lot of work to do there, as well. but this is about enthusiasm, as much as persuasion. yeah. and when you look at that, attitudes towards joe biden, it s the same for the republicans. lgs lgs, when i said chris