rather have, they want the plant back with everything it had or what you re going to have. i will be dumbfounded if you find anybody other than for pure sentimental reasons saying i d rather have the coal plants. i ll end by telling you another quick story. when we moved from scranton, when coal died in scranton, everything died in scranton. my dad was a coal miner and my grand grandfather was a mining engineer. my dad was in sales. there was no work. we left to go to delaware where the oil plants were. but i remember driving home when you take the trolly in scranton going out north washington and adams avenue. within 15 blocks we didn t live in the neighborhood. the most prestigious neighborhood in the region in the town where the scrantons and other good decent people live. there was you d go by a wall that my recollection is was somewhere between 15 and 18 feet tall. it went from essentially a city block. you can see the coal piled up to the very top of the wall from i
pain. when you re quality of life is eroding, you feel the pain. we can take our recession calls from publicly-traded ceos, we can take our recession calls from, you know, john and mary smith on main street. or we can take our recession cues from small and medium business owners. i think i would rather go with the latter two groups. i think they re at ground zero. they understand what is happening. they feel the pain. when i m talking to people, consumers on main street, they know their quality of life has eroded. when i m talking to small and medium business owners, look at the data. it s terrible. we saw a negative 61 for the outlook for future conditions. that is the lowest number ever. that data goes back to the 1970s as well. so conditions are not looking good. martha: when we talk to people at the white house, they re saying it s not a given