forensic ex-officers are investigating and we don't know if the pilot was the one who deleted it of course, every answer we get, more questions come with it a law enforcement official confirmed to cnn also that it's believed the plane's first turn off course was programmed by someone in the cockpit at least 12 minutes before that final haunting contact coming from the co-pilot when he said, "all right. good night." meantime, a u.s. government source tells cnn it's likely the plane flew south after losing contact. australian officials have narrowed their focus there, while indonesia has come under fire for slowing the search. the u.s. has a plane -- has a plane down there equipped to locate large objects, like submarines under water, but the navy hasn't gotten clearance to fly over indonesian airspace. a lot going on early in u.s. we were talking off air, the more answers we get from the press conferences, the more questions they -- that come from it. what do you take from the fact the flight simulator had data deleted? >> it is hard to same we don't know what it means. there has been a lot of scrutiny about the flight simulator. we have seen him sitting in front of it in the youtube videos. why did he have it? was he just a flight aviation geek, as he has been described? and the deletion of the files, because they happened in february, they may mean nothing at all. it's really hard to read. >> is hard to read, of course, but obviously shows the focus remains on the pilot and co-pilot. other big details out of the press conference that just wrapped up, malaysian officials did receive information from a neighboring country, would have helped if they said what country to try to help out. could be anything from thailand to indonesia to -- thailand, indonesia and singapore. we don't know. >> exactly where this plane was, what are they telling us? it comes back to the issue of transparency, that has been the frustration for a lot of the governments in this, how much is malaysia telling and how quickly are they revealing it to all the parties involved? >> did get background checks in from ukraine and other countries and that they said that they did check out, didn't see anything strange but they reiterated the point still investigating, all passengers, all crew and all grounds crew. it sounds to me like we are one step forward, two steps back. >> but that's the way it's been. at least now, what we are getting a sense of from people within the flying community, they are trying to get a more unified message together, at least. >> we need to note again, they are about day 12 at this point and we saw that -- we saw that wait of the days and the torture of the anguish that these families of the missing passengers have faced. you saw that right in front of you and it played now the a very dramatic moment in the press conference room before it started. let's show our viewers what that video is and afterwards, i want you to tell me when -- about what you saw. [ crying ] i mean, that went on for much more -- that went on for a longer period of time than that, kyung. can you describe what was happening? you were caught in that crush of cameras? >> literally almost crushed. we were standing right there i stood there as a woman was going by right in front of me. the way it happened was about an hour before the press conference began, we heard that there might be something going on in the press conference room in the back. so when we ran up, we saw two chinese women holding a large white protest banner with some chinese written on it and then another woman standing to the side and they were screaming, they were very emotional. and what they were saying is that they are fed up, that they want answers, they want the truth, we don't believe malaysia airlines. and we are getting a snapshot here. this is just one moment in time, but a snapshot of how frustrated and upset and how anguished these families are. >> the one woman who is absolutely hysterical, as you saw her being pulled out. looked like they were am almost trying to help her, she didn't look like she could walk out on her own. a small example what will we all need to remember, we enter day 12, that these families are waiting for any detail and those details are just not coming to their -- fast enough for them we can say at least. thank you very much. that happened just moments ago, kyung ran out here as quickly as we could. now, back to chris in new york. chris? >> bring in cnn's aviation analyst and former u.s. department of transportation inspector general along with cnn safety analyst and the author of "why planes crash," mary, david, good to have you, as always. we know from disasters in the past, the waiting is the hardest part for the families. how much of the waiting here, mary, at this point, do you believe is a function of the malaysian authorities not getting informed wrangled, analyzed and out the way they should have? >> oh, a good portion of it and not just out the way they should have but doing the briefings for the families, taking care of the families. i mean, we do it so differently, because we have laws that cover it here, family assistance act and providing information, even information that you don't have information is very good to keep the families briefed. and the ntsb pretty much briefs them every day, twice a day, when they run an accident. it's very crucial. >> as painful as the reality is the process here is also part of the problem for these families and it's important to keep in mind, one of the reasons we are pressing the investigators as hard as we are. these families deserve it? >> they deserve it. and it helps. >> now we get what it is they are waiting on, the information, new information. do you believe this is new information or believe, again, a reflection of the process, just not crunching the data as quickly there, so this 12-minute period that just came out suspect necessarily new, just new to their understanding. fair point? >> exactly. they are acknowledging that they are saying this is information they are using in the investigation, rather than trying to say that it is conclusive, it's not. so, again, as mary pointed out, the malaysian government not understanding how to commune kay. >> at least not pushing back as they were in the beginning. every time information would come out that wasn't from them, this he would debunk it. this came out from a u.s. source. we are told that the reason the u.s. is putting it out is a little bit of frustration, we would have put this stuff out already, they didn't wrangle the data quickly enough yet. let's look at it put blame aside for a second. if it is true, 12 minutes go between making the change to a new waypoint not on course and the co-pilot saying, "all right, good night. "if we accept that as true, how do we explain air traffic control allowing the adjustment to be made and not discussing the course adjustment, mary? >> well, it can be a lot of reasons, but not the least of which is they weren't paying attention, the plane was leaving their airspace and they hadn't entered into the new airspace yet. they had to have noticed it, particularly the turn and they should have challenged them. >> is it damning? it sounds damning to the uninitiated. common sense, when i hear that you changed your course and then you said "good night" it seems like you are doing something intentionalsome that unif a ir? >> not at all i think that's exactly what it is. why would you intentionally come off of a course that you've already set and predetermined, then say everything's okay, basically, by saying "good night"? >> in testing this idea of why it would have been done, do pilots ever do this, i don't like a different course, i'm going to pick a new course, go the wrong way around? >> no. in fact, as the airplane is starting to take off, when it's on the runway before it even leaves, the waypoints are already predetermined, programmed into the system. so, here to was reprogrammed into the system or changed en route. >> so, two facts. we -- not we, i certainly have been shading my reporting on this away from blaming the pilots, unless absolutely required by the facts. this, if true is a bad fact, mary. true? >> it's a bad fact for the pilots, yes, because there is one reason, of course, you would turn and not tell anyone and that is if you had something terrible going on in the cockpit, but they had 12 minutes to communicate that and if something terrible is going on you communicate that because you want help >> and it is unusual enough to not be seen as inspect that this would happen? >> very unusual. it's really not protocol. >> this other fact that came out, a little bit of suggestion, a bit of fact that the main pilot was supposedly being threatened with jail time for sodomy that is believed to be maybe politically retribution. you guys aware of this, that alsoth has come out, a local political party there who he supposedly supports that this is going on, some kind of political retribution that this may have been in his head? but again this is information that's coming out of the investigation but we don't know what it really means, whether he felt threatened by this or not. >> that part, i couldn't quite figure out who they were accusing of. what the news reports were so different. what i expected to see is if he was somehow thought to be doing something, you could would find something in his home in his data, in his background. >> also sounds damning. who how do we know what the data is from the flight simulator. perhaps it fills up fat and it starts to slow down and he cleared the hard drive a little premature to say he deleted data? >> you can tell from the simulator, depends what data you deleted, the waypoints you practiced or if it was old data from old flights or maybe it was balancing his checkbook. i mean, we don't know at this point. but if you only deleted part of it, yeah, you'd want to know. >> you need to know what it is david, otherwise, it just sounds bad, right? >> yeah. what concerns me, it was deleted february 3rd and so there's -- if this predetermined, if it was preplanned, his -- his preparation would have extended past february 3rd, i would think. so, hopefully there's some gleaning of information as to where the aircraft went on that flight simulator if indeed, it was. >> now, what we understand about them shifting the search zone. the australians are driving that certainly in their waters near the indian ocean, they are moving it more southwestsome this about coordinating data from what they heard about the thai radar exposure or how do we explain it? >> well, let's hope that's what it s hope they have been able to continue the smooth the data and get better data points. the first set of points was literally a fourth of the globe. now they have refined it, hopefully that it's that and we have -- still haven't been told exactly what was or what wasn't on the various data points and the computer information. perhaps they have found additional waypoints there. but apparently, there weren't any more on the plane. >> when you divide up an investigation, you luke at information and relevant facts. fair to say this 12-minute window, if accurate is a vel vant fact? >> without a doubt. without a doubting it s >> keeps leading you down the road of why did it happen and, of course, how does it lead us to where the plane is? we will keep putting the puzzle together, test each piece of information. david, mary, thank you for being here. we will be monitoring the investigation into missing flight 370 as it is war rarpted by new information but there's a lot of other news as well. let's get to you john berman for that john? >> thank you so much, chris. cia and senate are dangling again and now, the fbi is evaluating whether a full-scale investigation is needed. the cia alems senate staffers gained unauthorized access to classified documents about its post- 9/11 interrogation program. senators claim they simply found the documents on their computers. just last week, senator dianne feinstein accused the cia of hacking into her intelligence committee's computers. the justice department reached a $1 billion deal with toyota, ending a probe into the automaker's alleged mishandling of complaints about unintended acceleration. the problem sparked a recall of some 10 million vehicles starting in 2009 and has already cost the company at least $1.5 billion in legal settlements. the terms could be made clear as soon as today. toyota expected to avoid criminal charges. graphic testimony in the oscars pistorius murder trial. the track star covering his ears as a police ballistics expert testified that reeva steenkamp was in the bathroom, crouched in a defensive position when pistorius fired through that bathroom door. the expert says pistorius was likely not wearing his prosthetic legs. pistorius' defense staying will call two experts to dispute the ballistic expert's account. and lottery officials say there are two jackpot winners the $400 million mega millions drawing. the tickets were sold in florida and maryland. unfortunately, not new york. the numbers drawn tuesday night with 11, 19, 24, 33, 51, the megaball 7. the jackpot, the sixth largest lottery prize in u.s. history. >> somebody's doing a dance of joy in florida and maryland. >> how did you know jb didn't whip? he is here. >> that's right. >> we are glad you are. >> every day. >> today, man, i'm nowhere near that. >> you are the man. >> epps the man. all right. so, we were complaining about the fact that winter seems to be endless. >> in general. >> no, you were. i was complaining about winter in general. guess what? guess what, what is happening? >> don't worry, i love you, michaela, goes both ways. >> not yet, right? one day away, we need this so badly, we want beautiful weather. i'm gonna just jump aneed tomorrow and show you where it is going to look nice. temperatures rebound, many places in the country above normal, we have to get there, first. now the debbie downer go back to what we actually have on the last day of winter. winter weather. here we go yes. talking about more rain and even snow, see it there, a la the current radar now. that is going to be a little tricky, especially the morning hours, temperatures above freezing, maryland, virginia, could be looking for freezing drizzle in the morning hours. eventually, the system will spread farther to the east, so looking for a lot of us right under the warm front. with that, most of us are going to be talking about rain, on the back side, yeah, a little bit of snow again, we are transitioning seasons here, not many of you will be seeing the heavier snow, the bulk of that staying to the north, upstate new york, even maine up there a half an inch of rain, see it throughout the day, even through tonight. again, your last day, guys, hanging on tight. keep in mind the winds, these guys gusting up, talking about midwest and eventually in through tomorrow, start to see some of the strong winds but one day, we can handle this, right? one day, tomorrow, looks so good. we can all smile. except for you. grimace. >> that's right r >> be just like a straight-line smile. as good as you get. >> thanks. >> sure. take a break on "new day." when we come back, more breaking coverage of the disappearance of play 370. focus on the families, 239 souls on board, their families and loved one running out of patience and hope with the pace of this investigation. what you are hearing is a scene that unfolded just this morning, we will take you there, involves the mother of one of those missing on flight 370. breaking this morning, russian flags flying over parts of crimea as pro-russian demonstrators storm the ukrainian naval headquarters much the question today, can crimea remain calm or are tensions going to boil over? 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well what we know at this point, there will be more sanctions, more support of allies in that region. next week, the g-7 nations will meet on this subject and that excludes russia. and at this point, it seems extremely unlikely that those nations will attend the g-8 summit that russia is hosting in june. michaela? >> all right, hill later not exactly the desired effect they are looking for. michelle dozen zin ski, thank you for that. a day after vladimir putin signed the treaty to annex crimea, russian lawmakers are essentially going about the business of making it official. a crimeaen delegation in moscow today meeting with members of parliament. cnn's fred plight kin is in russia and we understand quite a biz zard happening outside behind you, fred. >> reporter: yeah, michaela, there absolutelisome it started early this morning and been snowing all day it's foggy, it's snowing, however, traffic moving. russians are used to this kind of weather but certainly is something that is keeping us in arms a little bit. as you said, while this is going on, the russians and the crimeaens are finalizing the deals to make crimea part of russia. officially, it is, there is this crimeaen delegation meeting with russian lawmakers today. they are going to talk about things like pairing up the tax systems about gas security about energy security, certainly, they are giving every impression that they are moving on. there are still a couple of things that need to be done for all of this to become permanent, michaela and one of them is that the constitutional court of the russian federation has to look at all of this and they are currently doing received the treaty that vladimir putin signed yesterday and looking to see if thatted a others that russian launch as michelle was saying, absolutely true the russians are showing absolutely no indication of backing down on these matters. they say that any sort of sanctions will be levied upon them will see counter sanctions from the russian federation, exactly what sergei lavrov, the russian foreign minister told secretary of state john kerry in a call last night. appears the russians are well on their way to a big confrontation here. guys? >> fred pleitgen in moscow. blatant disregard ofity nearingal law you what, vice president biden called this annexation of crimea. >> very complicated, you have on the other side, the people have spoken, say it violates the constitution, we didn't monitor the vote, but it's very popular in russia. it s >> putin's numbers are very high we will take a break here on "new day." when can he come back, we will keep looking at the new information only if the 370, testing it. if a what is fact what is just new takes on what's going on. most frustrating for the families waiting for answers. you are look ac the a scene from this morning. they are growing desperate, more so by the hour. one mother had to be dragged from the news conference that just ended. we will tell you about the extreme measures some families are willing to go to for answers. and we are learning that data was deleted from the personal play simulator belonging to the pilot of flight 370. we are gonna take you inside this, our "new day" flight simulator, where we will attempt to recreate some of the movements of that missing jetliner. ♪ oh-oh, oh, oh, la, la-la, la-la, la-la ♪ ♪ na-na-na, na-na-na-na-na some things just go together, like auto and home insurance. bundle them together at progressive, and you save big on both. ♪ oh, oh-oh, oh, oh hey, it's me! 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"the post" confirm it is withholding details that could identify targeting countries at the request of administration officials. after suffering a big setback, the defense is expected to rest today in the terror trial today of osama bin laden' putting mohammed sheik on the stand. he claims gave had no military role in al qaeda and he is accused of conspireing to kill americans. ntsb investigators are starting to piece together clues in that deadly crash of a news helicopter in seattle. two people on board died. another on the ground seriously hurt when the chopper slammed into a street, burst into flames. witnesses say they heard strange noises when the helicopter first took off after refueling. look at that mother in massachusetts put her life on the lane to save her twin toddlers from a rolling car. 22-year-old mindy tran had her two children buckled in the back seat of her car when she got out to lock the front door of her house. just as she got out of the car, it started moving down her driveway and that's when her i think estimates kicked in. she used her body as a speed bump to slow down the car enough for a neighbor to get in and bring the car to a stop. >> my drawers my everything. they're my everything. and i don't want to see my daughters in the hospital and i knew at that time, it was either mine or theirs. >> super human adrenaline kicking in. tran crushed her left knee, dislocated her hip and although she says she has a long road to recovery, she vows she will walk again. and i promise you, she thinks every bit of it is worth it. >> wow. super human. exactly what it is. >> also known as the love of a mother. >> right. >> you know? >> can't fight with that. >> see it time and again. any pain she is experiencing i'm sure she feel is he is worth it because she feels she did what she had to do to save her kids. >> great story, jb. switch to something that's little bit more of benign occupation it is getting time for march madness. we had the play-in games last night. don't worry, plenty of time to fill out your brackets. >> mine is done under lock and key in my office. >> really? >> didn't hear about that getting competitive, see how she turned away? >> yep. >> were i think in andy shoals with this morning's bleacher report. sure you have your bracket done there, too, mr. perfect smile. >> working on it for hours, guys. the teams they can got to take part in what they are calling te first four last night. technically, it's part of the tournament but a whip gets them into the field of 64, which is where you really want to be. 12 seed on the line between nc state and xavier, the wolf compaqing out on top in this one, many have them as a sleeper i can to upset st. louis in the next round. the other game last night, albany, they beat mount st. mary's. they were led by 5'9" guard dj evan, the little guy. he had 22 points and 9 rebounds. albany will play top seed florida tomorrow. now, two more teams will advance to the field of 64 tonight, iowa and tennessee will battle for an 11 seed. and going to be an emotional day for hawkeyes head coach fran mcbacken, iowa city this morning where his son, patrick, scheduled to have surgery to remove a thyroid tumor. mccaffrey will fly to date.to coach iowa in their first tournament game in eight years. bleacherreport.com, president obama has revealed his final four. he is going with florida, arizona, michigan state and louisville. and i really hope he does well, guys, because i have the exact same final four, you can compete with me, chris, michaela, john, kate, and all the -- us fellow anchors here at cnn at cnn.com/blackets. michaela, you said you got yours on lock and key. a lot of research. >> got mine right here. letting everyone know. my final four is the same as president obama's. >> i like that. >> just as powerful. >> clearly. >> i wish. >> do you have a very electable face. for what these worth. >> maybe i should run for office someday. >> maybe. we will consult. we will consult. going to take a break here on "new day," see if we can find michaela's brackets and check in with the coverage of the disappear perhaps of play 370. we have learned that data was deleted from the flight simulator belonging to one of the pilots, how relevant is that? 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what kind of data will you put on a flight simulate hammered with can it show us about what might have been practiced here. we have faa inspector mr. david suocie and jay laboeuf in the new day studio. have been pract. we have faa inspector mr. david suocie and jay laboeuf in the new day studio. >> we are cruising along. >> what are you flying now? >> we have the cockpit up, a 777, all the flight information, air speed, horizon, altitude, and we have here the center console, carrying the flight management computer and this is where the pilots would enter all of the waypoints for the trip that they would be flying. >> david hurricane is the obvious -- this is something that would be very similar to what you would have had, what this pooh i lot would have had in his home. the big question of the idea of deleting data what data do you store on this? why would you delete it? what are the typical parameters here? >> what we are doing right now is flying the aircraft and it's recording what it is that you're doing right now so that later, you can go back and retrieve this flight and see how it flew, what flew, and look at it without your hands on the wheel and see what it is that you did before. that does get stored. >> like any other data on hard drive. jay, in terms of using a simulator, how often do people delete, why do they delete? is there a needle leet? >> there is no need to defeel leath it. the files are saved when you intentionally save them. so, if they had files that they want toddle leet, they would have saved those files first. if they were just in a casual flight, just for entertainment or for practice, that flight would never be saved and there would be no need to delete it because it would not exist. >> so what your sea sayi're sayg simulator no sifg flights do different route and practice how you want to practice, whatever you want, would you have to intentionally save something in the first place and then about how much storage space you have before you would delete anything? >> yes. the storage space is tiny. these are tiny little files that exist in the windows operating world. >> so you're saying it takes only a little bit of space? >> tiny. tiny. >> what does that mean to you that somebody is deleting things? >> they were trying to remove information that somebody might want to look at. >> so it's suspicious to you is what i'm saying? >> yes it would be suspicious to me, there would be no need to do it. >> do you echo that? >> i do. yeah. if you save it in the first place, why would you need to delete it? just small files. not like vad to do an on the miz zblagts of the hard drive or anything like that unless it was some kind of failure in the computer. >> the dat bothers you? >> it does. >> february 3rd? >> february 3rd. so, it depends. >> february 3rd, well planned, he would be practicing after february 3rd, maybe information where the aircraft may be headed what his intent was. >> any information would help. last thing that's important to do here, the big disclosure from officials in malaysia, not necessarily new information but new information they figured sought that 12 minutes before the co-pilot said "all right, good night" they inputted data for this additional waypoint. is that something that would be done and not communicated ordinarily, jay? >> well, typically, the flight management computer would be loaded with the complete trip from start to finish. and so for them to interfere with that, two have to go in and interrupt the program that had been loaded and then insert into that program new lines of code which would change altitude, heading and air speed. >> so already not routine? >> not routine. >> it's no the like you could say oh, we are seeing a little weather here. maybe we will put in an additional waypoint in case something happens, nobody no need to tell anybody about it? that's not how it works? >> not typical f this was a regular route flight that trip would be saved in the flight management computer as a code and then they fly that trip every time they fly that flight. >> mm-hmm. and same reckoning of this? because i'm trying to give every benefit of the doubt to the pilots that we can until the facts dictate otherwise. this does line up like a bad fact. this isn't routinely and not ne people? >> i don't see any reason they would do that unless they had -- perhaps a specific reason, they had to have an alternate, they were running low on fuel, something like that, then they might say, look, i want to have this alternate, i want to be prepared to go there. >> important to note, not saying that they altered course 12 minutes before saying good night, just that they inputted the additional waypoint? >> exactly. >> all right. look, the best we can do with it now. thank you very much for letting us understand exactly how this works. jay, plug the company, why is it that you know so much about this? >> we built flight simulators and training simulators for aviators, educators and now we are writing a program to teach math and science for flying as a visual learning tool. >> beautiful. kids love to learn through these types of devices. this is a good one? jay's pretty impressive. >> yeah, he is. >> thank you for giving us an understanding of how the data retrieval works, when would you delete and otherwise. very important based on what investigators doing. david, you will stay with us of course. mick? >> thanks so much, chris. going to take a short break. professional pilots can't even seem to come to a consensus about what might have happened aboard flight 370. it was mechanical error or did it involve human interfere reps? we have two veteran aviators joining us this morning. they are gonna break down the evidence ahead. co: i've always found you don't know you need a hotel room until you're sure you do. bartender: thanks, captain obvious. co: which is what makes using the hotels.com mobile app so useful. i can book a nearby hotel room from wherever i am. or, i could not book a hotel room and put my cellphone back into my pocket as if nothing happened. hotels.com. i don't need it right now. ...and let in the dog that woke the man who drove to the control room [ woman ] driverless mode engaged. find parking space. 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>> well, i haven't ruled out mechanical failure of some sort entirely but that's only about 10%. i think most of the evidence that we can -- we can believe right now, and there's a plethora of speculation out everywhere, is that this airplane was commandeered by the -- by the pilots and taken to some other destination, we don't know where, but some other destination. >> and you have said that your opinion is sort of altering every hour with new bits of information. i think all of cust join with you that sentiment. captain aben, let's talk to you house, do you respond to that, do you think it was someone or some thing? >> i have been contending all along it is still a mechanical issue we haven't determined what it s it just -- i won't rule anything out either, but at this point, it just seems almost impossible, not impossible, but it seems more -- very diabolical for the knowledge that was require even for us as pilots to do what we've apparently seen with regards to disarming the transponder, the acars. it just seems implausible to me. >> all right. so let's go to these 12 minutes, the new data, this information that 12 minutes before the signoff of "all right, good night", those communication systems were shut down. >> well, that was confusing yesterday but according the release that i'm seeing today, there's no indication that this waypoint was put in there prior to reaching a boundary between vietnam and they were actually in singapore control's airspace and then they went into vietnam's airspace, ho che minuminh center, i believe. that is where the co-pilot would have said "all right, good night" indicated a normal operation. where -- where is the waypoint that was entered after that? we don't have that information why? we have this but we don't have -- we don't have the diversionary -- my contention, that was a die versionnary airport they were putting in. >> colonel field what is your contention? >> i agree the waypoint was a diversionary airfield but i have a difficult time with the transponder being turned all you were an airline pilot, some reason, don't want to be seen, really an antithesis for any airline pilot, you want nobody radar contact, you want to know where other aircraft r and so if the transponder avenues office, they can't tell much about you, they can see your location but can't tell your height or speed or identify you positively. so, the transponder going off smells to me of nefarious act on the part of the pilots or it might be somebody that breached the cockpit door and is holding those pilots at gunpoint. >> so you say no conscious aircraft captain would have turned that transponder off of his own volition? >> i think not. i think -- there's no real reason for that. you would want ho chi minh center to pick you up, leave the transresponder on two of them on the airplane. so if had you a transponder failure, would you certainly -- you would certainly say something about that. you're required to. the other part of that is if -- if you are -- if you're a -- if you're being held at gunpoint, you might be able to tell from the pilot's voice inflections what was going on. it doesn't sound like the co-pilot, if that's who it was, was under any duress. >> right. >> this sounds like -- like a plan. the reason that i have a hard time with mechanical failure is that there are two guys flying the airplane. certainly one of them would have had an opportunity to turn and say to any controller that they are in contact with, we've got a problem, we are coming back toward -- toward malaysia. >> last quick final point to that i have a yate, navigate, communicate, we know the order that you're to do things n. >> and i appreciate that. and the fact that the traps ponder came up, i agree that that's not something we could do under normal operation. however, it's in conjunction with the acars turning off also, which indicates to me something was happening in that compartment, albeit a fire, a smoldering fire, something was -- might have been systematically shutting it down near that -- those components, so, that's -- that's my contention, then they slowly started to see that they were having an issue by messages on their screen and they are dealing with that. >> captain abend and retired colonel pete field, two very smart men, experienced in the field, pun intended. we appreciate you both joining us and lending us your expertise in this matter in the ongoing search for flight 370. chris? >> all right, thanks very much. we are following big stories this morning, big concerns coming out of crimea, just one more day to spring and of course, new information into the search for missing flight 370. it's time to give the top news. some data has been deleted from the pilot's flight simulator. >> this thing was already heading in a different direction when they are saying good night. >> they didn't indicate any of the hijack codes. >> you have a serious problem, like a fire. one thing you're gonna want to do is get on the ground as soon as possible. >> how difficult is it to take this particular 777 off course? [ crying ] >> find some other way to accomplish what you are trying to accomplish but don't hurt the people. let philip come back to me, please. good morning, welcome to "new day ""i'm chris cuomo. we have breaking developments in this morning's search for malaysia flight 370ful the big question, why was data testimony leeted from the pilot's home simulator. lots to bring you get you up to date on this story. kate bolduan is live in malaysia. kate? >> reporter: thank you, chris. thanks so much. wither coming to you live, of course, from kuala lumpur where there is a renewed focus on the pilot this morning. malaysia officials confirming that some data had been deleted from thinks flight simulator, the simulate they're they found in in his home. what the data was we don't know and we are not even sure if it was the pilot who deleted it. forensic experts are investigating. maine official does tell us, an important and per flex plexing new detail coming out. a u.s. government source tells cnn it is likely the plane flew south aft losering contact. australian officials have narrowed their focus there, but indonesia, which is supposed to be helping lead the southern search, that southern arc that we have been calling, that corridor, indonesia is facing criticism for slowing that down. the u.s. has a plane there built to locate large objects underwater but the navy hasn't received clearance to fly over indonesia yet. now, a law enforcement official confirmed to cnn the plane likely changed directions when commands were made in the cockpit about 12 minutes before the final words were heard from the plane. and with all passengers and crew under review, malaysian official says they have heard back from all countries except, maybe not surprisingly, ukraine and russia. now, this morning's press conference in -- in this morning's press conference, some very dramatic moments as family members of missing passengers put their anguish on full display, demanding answers. our kyung lah was there. i want to get your take how this played out. first and foremost, we should let the video speak for itself. take a listen to what kyung experienced and our cameras caught today. >> what are you doing? what are you doing? what are you doing? >> back up! back up! [ [ crying ] [ screaming ] it is truly difficult to listen to you were right there, we saw you being crushed by cameras. what do we -- what more are you learning about what happened? >> well, these women clearly showed up there because they wanted to share their stories, they spoke directly to the cameras, came to the press conference room and they were speaking. they said that they did not trust the malaysian government, they wanted help from the media to put pressure on the government to help find this plane that they didn't believe that the government was telling them everything. and then as they were talking, you saw the military move in and start to pull them out. you saw the woman crying, being dragged out of there. and it's a lot of grief, it's lot of anguish, it's lot of frustration. we also see that the maine government is really having a hard time trying to control all of this. they have to deal with the families. they have to deal with intense focus by the press and what you're seeing here, this crush, this mess, this really gives you a snapshot of the government that's leading this investigation. >> do we have any idea what happened to the woman afterwards? >> yes. >> they were taken to a room across the way, but what happened? >> you saw the woman disappear. she went into the double doors of that room right at the bottom and then we waited outsaid by 15, 20 minutes much the military, we kept asking them what are you doing to this them? what are you doing? what's going on. they wouldn't answer our questions. some lied boldfaced right to me, said there were no women in here. i saw them go in. of course, they are in there. then they came out. they were, again, led out by members of the military. you know, nothing. >> they are speaking for many more people than themselves because we know that many, many families share their anguish and also know that in the press conference today they can did announce that they are putting together a -- officials to beijing. some are threatening a hunger strike because they feel the government is not revealing enough to them. thank you very much for bringing that to us. get back to chris in fork for more. >> bring in mary key is yaf vo, cnn aviation expert and an aviation attorney as well, and mr. jeffrey beady, national security studies at the university of new haven and former fbi, cia and the delta force terrorism expert. the credential does not be better. now, let's test the insight as we vet information coming out of this thanks to both of you for being here. the big headlines today, first about the pilot. he has a flight simulator, not unusual. they say that he was deleting data from that simulator as opposed to from his home computer. we have an expert who is in the flight simulator business, he says he doesn't understand why would you do that. insight, mary? >> well, i mean, i certainly don't have one that's probably as sophisticated as his, but on the flight simulators that you have on your desktop, it saves lot of your plays, so you can see what you've flown before and how you're doing fanned you're a desktop pilot, getting better. there really suspect any need to have to delete that data and does look interesting why it was deleted but it was testimony leeted some time before the flight. hopefully, they can recover it and lots of times, it's very recoverab recoverable. >> say it is almost impossible to delete anything these days unless you take the hard drive and throw it into the garbage itself. so we will follow up on that. but right now it's still just an open issue. the other big headline, and again this is about the malaysian authorities and how they are processing data as opposed to getting new data. not only did the co-pilot say "all right, good night" but 12 minutes before he said that, he input data for an additional waypoint that was not part of the play plan. he didn't change course, but he gave himself the ability to do so. what does it mean to you, mary? >> well, because of the delay if the delay is right it certainly signals that you're intending to delay course and didn't call any may day, you didn't indicate that you had any problems. so, it's a change in course with without a readily apparent reason and a 12-minute time in which could you were have expressed the reason for the change in the course. >> jeff beady, can you give a me a good reason or a benign reason or an innocent reason that this waypoint would have been put in and not communicated? >> well, chris, there's sadly not a really good reason for that at all. you know, the problem is they put the way point in, they had multiple opportunities to indicate duress, through putting duress into a transponder code or even within aviation there's a way when you verbally communicate to people that you give a verbal duress call, so if someone had a gun on your head in the cockpit, 'cause they had got noon it, you would still be able to subtly inform your headquarters or any of the air traffic controllers that, in fact, you were under duress and that didn't happen >> all right. and this fact if it is a fact, and the coordinating additional information about turning off the transponder, which they believe may have been done manly, ate cars system being disabled, which is very difficult to do if it's not done intentionally that steers you toward pilots. however, and we have about discussing this earlier and jeff, you're on this, so, let's get to this point we still don't know what was in the cargo manifest of this airplane. you think that's relevant. why? >> well, it is certainly something we want to eliminate. people have talked about simply a heist. the airplane itself is going to be hard to get rid of a hot airplane. but what about the carrying zbhoe was there some incredibly high-value cargo? but now we are seeing -- we watch want to eliminate that but also seeing information that may have indicated that this operation was planned months in advance. you're not going to necessarily know months in advance what's in the cargo manifest. one of those things we want to check off and say, okay, probably was not about the cargo but we don't know yet what that cargo might have been. >> so it's a noting in something that necessarily -- we don't know what it, the unknown is troubling here. you want to know as much as possible. >> could have been hazardous carrying goes, could be something that gave off fumes, not necessarily high-value cargo or could be good cargo. >> i was hearing that from u.s. sources here, they were concerned about the cargo, a compression event, explosion, they moved away from that you start hearing the additional suggestions of circumstances, like with this 12-minute delay, moving you away from accident and more toward this was intentional? >> well it is because before when we had the timeline, there wasn't time, it was boom, boom, boom, the system started going down and they made the turn, it could have been to an alternative airport, but here 1 minutes, particularly if you have a problem, 12 minutes is a pretty good chunk of time and you always want someone to know if you have a problem. >> even built into the paradigm of i have a yate, navigate, communicate, this window is big enough you could talk about it jeff beatty, how much stock do you put in the idea of this plane having landed somewhere, being intact? we know that u.s. authorities guiding the search into the indian ocean, that australia's coordinating the search, moving it into the southwest portion of australia seems to suggest the authority it ditched into the water. what about balancing that out with what we know that leads us to believe it may have flown north maybe somewhere? do you buy that at all? >> well, i certainly think it's still on the table, chris, until we can eliminate that possibility. but you know, we are gonna get some indication of that when we look for the rehearsal information. any act like this that's an ann intentional act whether it is a criminal act or terrorist act there is always information and activities that happen before it, proceed it there's casing activity, rehearsal activity before the actual act. and so what we need to find out is where did this pilot bid in previous months? did he fly other places that why did he pick those trips? was he senior enough to pick a better trip than the trip that he particularly went on? so, rehearsal information may be in the simulator, that if they can recover it, it's great it could also be that he flaw to some other places in the previous months as part of his rehearsal to plan for this operation. so we have got to lack for those rehearsal items that might help us lead in this search and narrow the search down a little bit, not just on what happened that fateful night. >> you know, one of the big problems here is that this is a very sophisticated investigation. you have all these different countries, you don't know what they are telling and why they are not telling it, because there are a lot of sovereign rules and a lot of spy games going on. you have a lot of data to wrangle. a lot of goes ask and malaysians, while being well intending, don't have a lot of experience with this, until very recently, weren't looking to share. you put all that together, you get a lot of unknown of and time running out. fair point, mary? >> fair point. also, you have got two different investigations going on. you have the civil aviation investigation, what happened to the plane, you know, lake an ntsb investigation and you have the criminal investigation, a major international criminal investigation, like what the fbi would do. and then those two have to coordinate as well. >> all right, head guys on the u.s. side saying don't say they are expanding things because time is moving, not showing more information. jeff beatty, thank you very much for the insight, appreciate it needed it. mary, good staying with us. mick? >> another concern, chris, the batteries on that black box or the flight recorder only last 330 days, sometime certainly running out. much important mystery of the missing flight 370. right now, we want to take you to crimea where overnight, the naval head quarters were stormed, raising russian flags. the situation there is dangerously close to a breaking point now that russia's claimed crimea as its own. the u.s. is condemning russia's annexation of crimea as a land grab and a violation of international law. vice president joe biden is meeting with leaders of latvia and lithuania today, working to reassure them of american support. cnn's michelle kosinski live at the white house. michelle. >> reporter: clear linger the administration doesn't need a sort of war of words with russian president vladimir putin, and so it's been extremely measured in its language, using the same phrases every die describe the situation and its response, the u.s.-imposed sanctions, while in russia, those sanctioned describe them as hilarious, an honor. putin said the west is the one that overstepped the line and that crimea is now a part of russia. well, in responsen the white house said the u.s. and the international community will not recognize what it called an attempted annexation and that there will be cost. well, we have been hearing now, we sought sanctions but the administration has been pressed on this over the last few days. what are costs really and what should the response be at this point since it seems nothing has changed russia's course? what we do know is that there will be further sanctions, more support of allies in that region. next week, the g-7 nations will meet on this subject. and that excludes russia. also, it seems extremely unlikely that the g-8 summit to be hosted by russia in june will happen. michaela? >> other neighboring european countries concerned and watching this situation, knowing what it means for their fail. michelle does zkosinski, thank much. john berman has more headlines. looking into allegations u.s. senators hacked cia computers. senators gained unauthorized access to classified documents about its now defunct post- 9/11 interrogation program. they insist the documents appeared their computer by a whistleblower or error. last week, senator feinstein accused the cia of hacking her intelligence committee's computers. the fbi now evaluating whether a full-scale investigation is needed. court adjourns in the oscar pistorius murder trial until monday. the judge granting the prosecutor's request to consult with four or five remaining witnesses through the weekend. earlier this morning, gruesome testimony, blood spatter and ballistic experts testifying about riva steenkamp's wounds. at one point, pistorius was seen covering his ears. the ballistic experts testified pistorius was likely not wearing his prosthetic legs when he pulled the trigger. new details expected today about the $1 billion settlement between the justice department and toyota. the agreement should spare the automaker criminal charges for allegedly misleading authorities over complaints about unintended acceleration. some 10 million vehicles were recalled over this problem. last year the company paid out over $1.5 billion to car owners. the new jersey teen who sued her parents for financial support and tuition is now dropping the case. rachel canning moved back in with her parents lack week she moved out in october, her parents say, because she couldn't follow the rules. last week, canning also filed new court papers alleging abuse but tuesday, she appeared in a family court to say she was dropping the suit voluntarily. her parents say they are happy that she's home. >> that is good news. that case needed to go away. we have been covering it from the beginning. the system sometimes overtakes it. there were all these weird backstory factors there, who was this family who was helping her? who was pressuring this kid into this situation? hopefully, they can figure it out. >> interesting to know whether there were costs associated with this to the state, legal costs that every-to cover white family worked out. >> judge's time, court time, absolutely. >> i know it was setting a precedent, but so glad that these cases aren't, like, our lives, that our lives, we weren't living them out, as a teenager. i wouldn't want my behavior to be broadcast to the world. everybody knows this girl's backstory. >> by all rights this family was solid, typical teen/parent dynamics. >> angst at that time. >> at least now hopefully they are back home and figure it out. a good one. >> we will send good thought theirs way. >> they need t coming up on "new day" breaking details about the flight of search 370. could a crack in international cooperation be hampering the search? we will tell you ahead. also ahead, we are gonna see what hillary clinton has to say about vladimir putin and whether she thinks a new cold war is brewing with russia. i'm beth... and i'm michelle. and we own the paper cottage. it's a stationery and gifts store. anything we purchase for the paper cottage goes on our ink card. so you can manage your business expenses and access them online instantly with the game changing app from ink. we didn't get into business to spend time managing receipts, that's why we have ink. we like being in business because we like being creative, we like interacting with people. so you have time to focus on the things you love. ink from chase. so you can. i dbefore i dosearch any projects on my home. i love my contractor, and i am so thankful to angie's list for bringing us together. find out why more than two million members count on angie's list. angie's list -- reviews you can trust. c'mon, you want heartburn? when your favorite food starts a fight, fight back fast, with tums. heartburn relief that neutralizes acid on contact. and goes to work in seconds. ♪ tum, tum tum tum... tums! the world joins forces to finds the missing jet, are the 22 countries honest enough? are they being fuelled by malaysia's missteps? they are slow, disorganize and the countries had to reach out to other countries to lead the search. one of the countries, indonesia is slowing the search with red tape, keeping search planes on the ground. how much is politics and how much are the trapracticalities doing something so complicateded? john negroponte, former director of national intelligence. thanks for joining us on "new day." >> good morning. >> put this in perspective, if you could, how much criticism is warranted on the investigation itself, building in the factors of some 26 countries. >> i think the spotlight is on malaysia as a result of this convenient and they don't have mu -- of this event and they don't have piece, yep with this. i can recall past crises of this kind, where they had difficulty with channelling aid and so forth because the local authorities overwhelmed. i think one of the turning points was went prime minister himself stepped into the situation and had the pre prest conference the other day the situation had risen to a serious level within their government. i'm sure in regard to a country like indonesia or any other country in the region, if they had information that had a direct beerpg the whereabouts or what happened to this aircraft, they would have certainly shared it with the government of malaysia already. >> you're confident of it? how could it have flown through india or the airspace and it not picked up the plane if it landed? >> that's good question. i'm confident that any government in the region, if it had that information, i'm sure i it would have shared with it with the malaysian authorities, all these countries have their own national airlines, in addition to the obvious obligation to report on these kinds of things, they would expect reciprocal treatment if the same thing happened to. they >> u.s. sources louder on the issue believing the plane is in the water. obviously work under australia in the region of the indian ocean. you can see the search zone is shifting a little bit coordinated to information that came from the thai government. are you hearing the same thing? >> here is the great difficult with this situation. i don't think we have seen any fact yet that turns this in an absolutely decisive direction. i think that's what we are waiting for. we are waiting for some revelation that sheds significantly more light on what happened than what we have seen so far, maybe in some recorded flight path that got dell fleemtd a simulator, i don't know. all i'm saying is at the moment, we are practically where we started in terps of the scareness of facts in this situation. >> you are confident the government would turn over information, u.s. authorities, when they got a call from the head of transportation and defense in malaysia, doing all -- most of the press conferences, they said, wow this is unusual. malaysia doesn't usually reach out for hip. the thai government turned something over but not right away, they didn't discover it right away. indonesia, keeping the u.s. search plane on the ground, while you believe they would turn over information, doesn't necessarily mean they will make it easy. you think we are seeing signs of that also? >> no i would just say if they had specific information, they would turn it over, coordination efforts are difficult and better coordination as time goes on, for example, the maines decided on how to divide various quadrants of the ocean so they could be searched by various different countries and not have an overlap of effort. so, i think they are getting organized for this, but regrettably, sometimes these things take times, as i said earlier, especially in the case of a country that has not had much if any prior experience with this kind of situation. i think under the circumstances, they are doing the best -- the best they can. >> it's about as difficult set of circumstances as you could imagine. >> absolutely. we will know better when we find out what actually happened. >> that will be a good day for sure, especially for the families and loved ones involved. let me take advantage of having you to ask you a quick question about the situation in crimea and ukraine. the headline that seems to be bubbling up is putin won, he got exactly what wanted. the u.s. can't do anything to stop him. by the way, it's going to get worse because you have syria and iran and now you have vladimir putin who feels he doesn't have to help with you any of your foreign objectives, west and united states. do you see that way? >> well, i mean, he is certainly creating facts on the ground in crimea. whether he is going to go beyond that i think remains to be seen and i think there's reasons for some hope in that regard. he, himself in his speech yesterday said they had no interest in going beyond vice president -- crimea. history doesn't stop n response, we have got show strong support now for ukraine and for the other european countries that are concerned that russia might try to repeat this kind of behavior in the -- those nations where there are russian minorities also living there, such as in the baltic states and elsewhere. so this is a time when we have to close ranks with our western european friends and allies, both nato and the european union to really form a common policy toward this situation. >> it is a situation that begs the question, what happens next? mr. negroponte, thank you very much. john negroponte. it's great to have you on "new day." >> thank you. >> mick? next up on "new day" could it have been a flight 370 sighting? a fisherman in a remote village claim was to seen a low-like plane around the time the malaysian airlines jet vanished. we spoke to him. also, next on inside politics we will check up on republican efforts to crush tea party challengers. i quit smoking. i've quit for 75 days. 15 days, but not in a row. for the first time, you can use nicorette... even if you slip up... so you can reach your goal. [ male announcer ] now, quit on your own terms with nicorette or nicoderm cq. and better is so easy withrning you cabenefiber.o somethings better for yourself. fiber that's taste-free, grit-free and dissolves completely. so you can feel free to add it to anything. and feel better about doing it. better it with benefiber. welcome back back to "new day," a lot of news, get to you john berman for the headlines. investigators trying to recover data from a flight simulator from the pilot of malaysia flight 370. officials said this morning some data was wiped off but they couldn't say what it was or even who took it off. forensic experts are now investigating. a source says the prevailing thought among u.s. officials is the plane flew deep into the southern indian ocean. australian officials narrowed their folk douse there. cnn confirmed that someone in the cockpit likely input a new route on the play's computer about 12 minutes before the mean's last verbal contact. the nsa has surveillance operation that is so vast it can record 100% of a foreign country's phone calls and play each one of them back up to a month later. that's according to new documents given to the "washington post" by former nsa contractor edward snowden. the post acknowledging it has withheld information about which countries may have been targeted at the request of u.s. officials. an investigation under way this more nothing the deadly crash of a news helicopter in seattle. two people on board died, another on the ground seriously hurt when this chopper slammed into the street and burst into flames. witnesses say they did hear strange noises when the helicopter took off after refueling. valor has no color. that was the message tuesday as president obama awarded 24 minority war veterans their long-delayed medals of honor. vietnam war vet, melvin morris, one of only three honorees still alive, was shot in the chest, arm and left ring finger as he carried casualties out of the lane of fire back in 1969. chris? >> all right, john, thanks for the headlines. now it is time to turn inside politics on "new day" with mr. john king. john king, always great to have you. >> chris, good morning. we are gonna start driving our day inside politics, hillary clinton talking about some issues on the world stage, also talking about whether she will frourp president in 2016. with me this morning to share their reporting and insights, julianna goldman of bloomberg news and cnn's peater heavy. she gave a speech in montreal yesterday. she didn't talk much about her role in the u.s./russian relations, the reset which republicans say a-ha, look what's happening now. listen to what she is talking about vladimir putin and her hope that things don't get worse. >> i hope there's not another cold war. obviously, nobody wants to see that. i think that's primarily up to putin. >> did we learn anything, julianna, about what she would do differently? she was a tad critical of the president saying the united states needs to do more to help the government, the new government in kiev but nothing very specific? >> no she was very careful. she talked about the u.s. needs do more to help europe become more energy independent from russia, but this is the challenge for hillary clinton right now, because she esense slit de facto presidential front-runner for the democratic party. everything that she says on this issue is going to be looked at and picked apart and she -- she might be the front run but does she necessarily have the campaign staff and -- that's advising her with these kinds of issues? and so, it sets her as, you know, she needs to run now like she is running 30 points behind, because she risks like 2008 where she can just walk in and get this nomination. >> she's been inevitable before to julianna's point about her being essentially the de facto nominee, unless she denieds no, peter, of course, the question came up. let's listen. >> haven't made up my mind. of course, i -- i feel a deep sense of commitment to my country and its future. >> it's that last part, she always works something like that in you can't stay on the sidelines, i feel that deep sense of commitment that's what people who want her to run or republicans watching her say a-ha, she is going to run. the "wall street journal" this morning, there is a fascinating story, very well documented about the clinton inner circle, some of her close advisers don't want her to run. cheryl mills, former chief of state, jace go through that? john podesta is brought in to reorganize and get the white house trains running on time the "wall street journal" says john poe december gnat obama white house, a guy named vice president joe biden now wants to ork nice the weekly hillary meetings to prepare her if she runs. isn't that a slap at the vice president? >> certainly seems like it heads exploding in the vice president's office. it's not just podesta. remember jim messina, top presidential adviser recently left to advise super pac that will ostensibly supporting a presidential campaign for hillary clinton. that rankled bind and his allies. look, bind, we don't know if he wants to run but certainly keeping his name in the conversation and i think he just wants a little bit of respect. this has to really -- this really has to stick in his craw, i think. >> can't make him feel much better that we are talking about this, where you haved bien in lithuania now and poland yesterday dealing with this issue hands on. >> clinton all the attention now. >> died biden does not. >> what makes secretary clinton fascinating, she was secretary clinton, she was senator clinton and also first lady hillary clinton. she made a high-profile trip to china in the '90s. i bring it up because michelle obama about to go to china with her mom and two daughters. the white house says that is not policy this is all promote cultural exchanges, let's build goodwill. the one hand, smart, right? one of the most important relationships if not the most important the next 25 years,ed about build goodwill. what do they think inside white house, any ries if you can she avoids any criticism knicks public -- i say it in this context,s here the "new york times" lead when hillary clinton went in september 1995. speaking more forcefully on human right than any american dignitary has on chinese soil, hillary clinton gets that lead. can michelle obama stay back from all that? >> the white house says this is not going to be that kind of trip. they say that's -- the president and a china's president xi are going to be meeting next week at the haig on the margins of the nuclear security summit. the first lady is going over there, her children are on spring break. sasha, her daughter, learned man darren at school here in washington, d.c. when hu jintao the former president was visiting. she was able to speak man darren with him. what they are saying this kind of soft diplomacy, can be just as important, foam people ties, the cultural exchanges, look for her to subtly refer to some of these flashpoints she talks about her own personal story, american values, you know, that hits at human rights. they are going to be having these virtual ways of following the first lady's visit in china, blog posts some, that also speaks to the internet freedom and censorship issues. >> obama leaning hard in the rebalance in asia or whatever. so allies like japan, south korea, the philippines, also going to be watching closely what she says in china. >> gop crush is not a soda brand. mitch mcconnell said we are going to crush the tea party everywhere this year. he's his own challenge back home. the establishment at the moment, peter, seeps to be winning. convinced scott brown to get into the new hampshire senate ray not a tea party, per se, but think he is more of a mainstream candidate if he runs. just in this last week in colorado, first they convinced corey gardner, mainstream house member to run, two of the republicans dropped out, now the third one dropped out to clear the field. the most interesting one is mississippi. you have a republican incumbent, thad cochran, recently said i don't know much about the tea party. hello. and now haley bar bourke the former governor and barbour's son and the whole barbour operation trying to get into mississippi to help thad cochran. how important is this? >> this is a big deal. this is a victory so far for the so-called establishment and the republican party. look, some of this is establishment forces of kind of co-opted the tone and language of the tea party since they are sort of ascended here in 2010. part is they are teaming up. we have saw rand paul, a hero of 2010 cut a radio ad for carl roaf's american cross roads to run in that florida special election. another big factor here is just that there's not a lot of heat in the tea party this year and frank floirkt a lot of great candidates. if you talk to so outside groups, freedom works, club for growth, people around sarah palin, for instance, they just don't know who endorse. who do we get behind? look at challengers in tennessee in kansas, in south carolina. these are places with sort of old long-time established senators not facing potent challengers and one reason why the establishment is leading right now. >> that's got to make the white house very, very nervous because you talk to democrats, political strategist and they all say that something's changed over the last 60 dies a month where the president, his aides, are really wake up to the realization they could lose the senate. >> as we toss back to new york, you guys weigh in real quickly if you want, peerptd julianna, men, the president's final four. the president's final four bracket, guys, i know filling yours out in new york this morning, why we do inside politics, so you guys do do other business on the set, louisville, florida, arizona, michigan state. what strikes me there's the president on espn. i think he is channeling his inner mitch mcconnell, a chance for a great political detente, there is no greater louisville fan in america than the senate republican leader, mitch mcconnell. cuomo, who is gonna win it? >> that's tough. that's tough. i can't answer that at this point, john. i don't like arizona as a pick though and not just because indra petersons went to arizona. i don't like arizona, not in my final four. >> is in mine. can i just give a shoutout to the people who do our banner at the bottom, barack-tologjr >> jp, arizona in the final four? >> i find they lose early often. rick pet pitt teen know, a close friend of president obama. >> my first job in providence, rick pit team know the coach of providence college at that time. i pick his teams. >> billy donovan. do. >> we know the president has any game when it comes picking black sets in. >> remember, reggie love said they used to put their breaks together a lot. >> reggie love. he has some depth. played the game as a younger guy. >> very smart white house correspondent is shaking her head, julianna says no. >> fans nervous. appreciate it, jk. have a good day. i will see you tomorrow. ahead on "new day," fishermen in a remote village off the coast claim they saw a low-flying airplane right around the time flight 370 vanished. what they said, just ahead. all these theories, hijacking, pilot sabotage, others you read somewhere. one pilot says he has a simple, logical explanation for the disappearance of play 370 it involves the pilots but in his mind, they may be heroes, give that you theory straight ahead and the basis for it. ext level. so we talked about her options. her valuable assets were staying. and selling her car wouldn't fly. we helped sydney manage her debt and prioritize her goals, so she could really turn up the volume on her dreams today...and tomorrow. so let's see what we can do about that... remodel. motorcycle. 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they see planes ought all the time because they go fishing underneath the play path. they say, no, i have never seen a plane flying so low. we both remarked, wow, is this pilot crazy? i quote, i then ask them what exactly did you see of this aircraft? he said it was flying so low, the lights looked the size of coconuts to me. well, they went home they told their families and their co-workers and they reported it to the police. it was shortly after that that they discovered flight had gone miss bug we cannot confirm if that was indeed flight mh-370, but the timing is pretty close, they saw it at 1:30 a.m. >> one piece of the puzzle, thank you, one piece of the puzzle that doesn't seem to fit together. we will continue to stay on top of it of course. coming up next on "new day" many theories floating around about what happened to play 370. some think the pit loss of the missing plane acted heroically, but does the theory hold up? business: itn do more with less with less energy. hp is helping ups do just that. soon, the world's most intelligent servers, designed by hp, will give ups over twice the performance, using forty percent less energy. multiply that across over a thousand locations, and they'll provide the same benefit to the environment as over 60,000 trees. that's a trend we can all get behind. the disappear perhaps of flight 370 has fueled so much speculation. a lot of people are paying attention to a theory that's emerged online, a simpler theory. this one comes from a canadian pilot by the name of chris goodfellow, getting a a lot of traction online. he subjects that after pilots made their contact with air traffic control around 1:19 a.m., they were forced to change course. he contends in this theory that there was a fire, maybe an electrical fire, overheating somehow, 'caused the cockpit to fill up with smoke, then the pilots were forced to focus on control willing the plane. first change willing the course on the flight toward the most desirable airport for them to land at, which would be langkawi international airport, which is an island right off the coast of malaysia there. the smoke likely left, and again in his theory, the pilots and the passengers on board incapacitated, unable to communicate with air traffic control. the plane continues on the last program course, eventually running out of fuel and crashing somewhere in the indian ocean. it's a big search area. we want to bring in jeff weiss. he is gonna test our here tory. he is an aviation journalist for slate.com, also the author of a book called "extreme." really good to have you here. you see some holes and some problems with this theory. >> i liked at that time for slate.com, popular online, excited about this theory, unfortunately, major holes in it, doesn't really stand up, you look at some of the unfortunately, what happened after that is the well problem with the theory. >> he seems to see the pilots -- again we don't know. in his theory he's looking at the pilots as her jobs they took heroic measures to save this plane, save the passengers on board. >> exactly. this is why the narrative is so emotionally compelling. the focus of the investigators as the malaysian authorities say the pilots are culpable, to hijack the plane. they are villains in this scenario. no, they are not villains they are heroes. if the narrative holds up, it's very nice to believe that. >> let's go under the fire. is that plausible at all to you a fire under board, an overheating of some sort. >> it's true if the pilot-a fire on board they would have immediately taken action. a fire on board is one of the most perilous things to happen. >> would the closer airports been easy other or more difficult to land at? >> you don't care. you want to get down. >> in this scenario is there time to make a may day call? >> yes. unfortunately, it is the case that in many airline incidents pilots don't make may day calls. air france plane never were so hopeless that they actually gave up and called may day. but the theory, they didn't enter the code for lin "gq" aye. they were continuing to navigate. an important point, if the plane had continued on this ghost ship scenario, it wouldn't have continued on. if the plane was on this trajectory it would have gone to the middle of this circle area towards madagascar. it was either down here or up here. >> the ascending 45,000 feet, he says that, again, in this theory, goodfellow says maybe it was a last ditch effort to seek breathable air or to change the climate within the cabin. >> yeah. i don't know if the worst pat of his theory is the explanation or 45,000-foot climb. that's one of the more suspected data points. >> in the simulator it doesn't sound the plane would come together. >> the idea this waypoint was entered 12 minutes before the co-pilot said good night and the plane began its change. this was not the result of a last minute panic to reach an airport. it had been planned well in advance. so it doesn't really jive at all with though theory. noout interesting as you said i think so many people want to find resolution for the families, for our own peace of mind. it makes sense this has the heroic theory and the heroic story line. i can see why people are attached to it. >> we like to think we're rational creatures. er with not as rational as we would like to think. it's been almost two weeks now and so little information. we're grasping at strauss. >> we've seen the desperation in the families. fascinating stuff. breaking news in the search for flight 370. data reportedly defleetd the captain as inhome flight simulator. what could this mean for the investigation? 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[ male announcer ] be a weekender at hotels like hilton and doubletree. book now at hiltonweekends.com. >> some data has been deleted from the pilot's simulator. >> breaking this morning, officials say data has been deleted from the flight simulator the missing pilot had in his home. the co-pilot signing off after the change of course had already been punched in. a painful scene here in malaysia. hours ago family members of missing passengers being dragged away after protesting their frustration spilling over. also breaking this morning, standoff in crimea, a day after putin declared crimea is part of russia, resistance on the ground and tough talk from all sides. which have the very latest. >> your "new day" continues right now. good morning, welcome back to "new day" open him chris cuomo here in new york. kate bolduan in live in malaysia. we're focusing on the missing malaysia jan jet. two factors. the main pilot's flight simulator data wiped out for a month before the flight took off. what could that mean? the co-pilot changing the timeline when he was talking to tower and saying good night versus when they put in a different waypoint. what does it all mean? kate. >> reporter: thanks, chris. that's absolutely right. 12 days into the search and questions keep on coming about the folks in the cockpit. there's nothing definitive yet. among the new issues what data was deleted from that simulator and why? of at any time pilot that deleted it? the search is focused on the bottom corridor of that map. it's likely the plane headed south after losing contact. australian officials have narrowed their search down there. on the flip side indonesia is fending off criticism for slowing the process. the u.s. navy has a plane there that locates large objects under water but haven't been allowed to fly yet. overnight law enforcement official confirmed to cnn the plane changed direction after orders were put in. about 12 minutes before the co-pilot last spoke with the ground. most countries have completed background checks of their passengers. only russia and ukraine have yet to respond and obviously the investigation of everyone involved continues. this morning's revelations is not the most dramatic. family members of missing passengers laid their emotions on the line. this whole thing unfolded. let's just watch this video and we can talk what more we learned. >> what are you doing? back up! back up! [ crying ] [ screaming ] >> it's heartbreaking honestly to watch and hear the desperation in her voice. what more your learning, a bit of translation what these women were saying what are we learning about that woman that was carried snout. >> that woman wearing the reddish shirt we learned that she's the mother of number 80 on the manifest. the reason she came to the back of this press room, this is where all the press congregates for the daily press briefings. she said she wanted her son back. she wants the international media to help bring her son back. get information from malaysian government and malaysia airlines. that's reason she was there. there were other mothers. you saw that one moment where i'm saying, "back up, back up," they were taken away by the price. you see a snapshot of what's happening to these families, the pain they are feeling, the information void and what it means for them. but also that the government simply seems little out of step with what the families want. >> the families are not having it. when translation that i was seeing of their comments, the malaysian government is lying to them, that they have been sitting here -- these women said we've been here for ten days and you're giving us nothing. they want their sons back. they want to know what happened. they clearly are not getting the answers. are they going to get tans. is the malaysian government going to do anything more to make them feel better about the process because clearly what they want to know is where the plane is and no one has found that yet. >> we have a couple of messages that we're getting from the government. what we heard from the man who is leading the news conferences every day he's saying we hear you but we have to find the plane. he's very much on task. at the same time he issued a statement at the end of the day after, i think the government started to realize what these pictures were making them look like, and said that we understand your anguish, we understand your devastation and we'll try to get you answers. >> look it's a difficult position to be in. the malaysian government sunday a lot of pressure to get this right and get the information out there and to find the plane and coordinate with 25 other countries to make this happen. but they have to be focused on these families. >> they have to. at the same time they have to bridge those two problems. find the plane, be compassionate to these families. >> you got to get it right. it's clearly not happening. thank you so much. let's send it back to chris in new york. kate let's bring invasion analyst and former d.o.t. inspector general and captain for northwest airlines. good to have both of you here. let's tick off what's seen as the moments in this story and see what we believe and trust and what we do not. first, the pilots flight simulator files being deleted, data being deleted. to be there are more questions than this suggest deserves. but it's getting a lot of attention, why? >> you wonder what were in the files that were deleted. i feel confident since we did it in under investigations they can recover other information unless something was rewritten over it. the deletion looks suspicious especially if you're using your flight simulator to try out fun things and keep your skills. >> well get an answer to that one? >> right. >> the investigation kind of goes back and forth. it flip flops between let's look at the pilot, this must have been a bad accident, this must have been a hijack. now they are swinging back to the pilots again. they are going rigorously through the passenger manifest. they heard from every country involved except crimea and ukraine. our second factor this new understanding not new information that after the co-pilot said good night, that's when we used to end the timeline. last thing we knew. now they believe that 12 minutes before that, the co-pilot or somebody inputted a waypoint that wasn't part of the direct route. can you think of a good reason that was done? >> sure. it would be normal. they hit the top of climb, the airplane is stable in cruise flight. the captain being a training captain he'll know every possible procedure, he's always thinking what's the worst thing that can happen. i'll put in an airport i know i can get to again gate help on the ground. he uploaded that airport on his flight management system. a lot of guys do it. i don't. i like to keep the fms as clean as possible. maybe that's his normal procedure. the malaysians wild find that out by talking with other crew members that flew with the pilot. you're always thinking about when you are out over water or any time you are flying where can i going an emergency. this captain looks like he was on top of thing and probably pre-loaded his alternate airport, suitable alternate airport, not necessarily the closest place to land but the place i can go and get passenger service if i have a medical emergency, a mechanical, something that doesn't allow me to continue flying over water away from land, he's looking there. my guess is, if he had continued on up a little further north he would have loaded probably ho chi minh city. >> okay. >> this doesn't look suspicious to me. it looks quite normal. >> you take it all by itself and this is a cautious pilot. don't read into it. you don't know if it was the pilot or co-pilot. you can't tag to it when the co-pilot said anything. but then you put it into context with the other facts which is the flight does wind up deviating in this direction. transponder does go off. the a-card system does go off line. does the picture change? >> no, i think what the captain said is right. you want to have those safety nets. where the picture gets murky is in this gap, in this 12 minutes, 11 minutes whatever it turns out to be. it's a fluid gap. the timeline has changed. if you were having a problem that's what your safety airports are. what everybody is looking at is a big wide runway with no obstructions. you want that airport because there's no obstructions in the way you don't have to maneuver anything. what people are troubled about is in those 12 minutes you probably would have wanted not probably you would have wanted to tell your airline and probably even flight control so you can get in there. you get priority over other flights even if you western a full blown may day you want priority. you tell someone. i'm coming. i have a problem. >> pan pan is we have a circumstance, u not critical but you need to help us. >> we don't think we're going crash but we're in trouble. >> i put in this waypoint just in case, i'm cautious. but then if something happened and i ended up heading towards that waypoint why didn't i communicate? >> exactly. >> you have this idea of the search shifting to the southwestern part of the indian ocean near australia. do we believe this is an intelligent move based on what they learned from the thai government and radar or do you think that they are just trying to make it smaller? >> i think it's probably an intelligent move. you got a lot of assets down there, takes a lot of money and effort to move this large ship to an area. they have some info base opened the arc and time from the last pings off of the engine monitoring system that was reported -- remember the last ping is the last known location or last time we heard from them. there were other pings along the way that were probably somewhere on that arc which would lead me to believe that's where they want to start their search, not just happen to fly by as they do it. it's a big ocean. we were talking about, i heard one of the cnn reporters say we're looking for three or four people in the united states walking around on the ground. this is a very difficult search. the investigation wilkon scene at any rate on what we know about the people and maintenance status of the airplane and its history and the search-and-rescue folks' job is to fine the airplane. >> it's difficult if you assume the plane is on the surface, different if it's sunk. let's end on this. at this point have you been told anything that you believe that makes you feel that this was more likely an intentional pilot driven event or hijacking than it was an accident and a chain of events that they couldn't roll? do you feel more inclination. >> absolutely not. no. i'm still back where i was when this first happened, you know seven, ten days ago. this is probably a cascading electrical fault that turned into a fire. my guess is when we do find this airplane and we will, when we do find this airplane thing flight data recorder and voice recorder will show us that's what occurred not unlike swiss air 111. when you fighting the airplane it's hard to pick up the radio to ask for help. nobody on the ground can help you anyway. you're calling for help. nobody can -- what are they going to do for you? >> i guess, mary, goes to how you behave in those circumstance which is why you would communicate? >> plus, sometimes you can do en route trouble shoot but that often doesn't have a good outcome. so, you can get help from the airline and manufacturer. boeing will get on the phone and help the plane in distress which is why the 12 minutes they could have communicated cause people trouble. you have to follow both leads, both mechanical or catastrophic and some kind of criminal activity but the 12 minutes where they didn't communicate and couldn't have gotten information to do a trouble shoot if they had trouble is a problem to reconcile. >> okay. mary, thank you very much. >> we don't know what was going on with the flight deck. >> levelly at some point get answers for the 239 families that are out there waiting for them so desperately. we'll return to the coverage as the information warrants but there's a lot of other news as well so let's get to john berman. >> reporter: pro russian forces taking control of crimea. no reports of other violence. this comes a day after the june soldier was killed in an attack on a military base. president obama plans to meet with other leaders on the sidelines of a summit next week to discuss broader sanctions against moscow for annexing croom jai. possible break through in the disappearance of madeline maccan. they want to speak to a man who was involved in a dozen break ins. young girls were sexually assaulted in their beds. mccann was 3 years old when she disappeared back in 2007. toyota agreed to a $1 billion settlement with the justice department on claims that it misled authorities. toyota will avoid criminal charges. it toledo the recall of 10 million vehicles. more details on the agreement are expected later today. court adjourned in the oscar pistorius murder trial until monday. the judge granting the prosecutor's request to consult with its remaining witnesses through the weekend. earlier this morning, fwru some testimony and ballistic experts testifying about reeva steenkamp's wounds. you have to take a look at this frightening moment. this happened in iowa. a pickup truck goes airborne. nearly takes out the cop. both cops are at the scene of the accident. police say 49-year-old michael schmit crashed his semi into the back of a pickup truck. just missing those officers on the side of the road who were looking at another crash. amazingly no one was seriously hurt in this. wow. >> that's crazy. >> thanks so much for that. back now to the search for flight 370. a u.s. government source told cnn it's likely the plane flew south. australia is narrowing its search towards that bottom of the southern arc that we've looked at. we know that obviously maritime conditions and ocean currents and weather play a factor and we would bring in meteorologist indra petersons to look at that. >> the last satellite contact we had yesterday. today we narrowed down that search off the coast of australia, 2300 kilometers off of australia. let's talk about this large region what kind of things could be problematic. one of those things is the ocean. southern indian ocean. you have that extremely deep, 4 1/2 miles deep off the coast of australia. there's the southeast indian ridge a depth of half a mile. on the other side deep ocean. this is why they are focusing just on the surface because they know it's a vast region, take several weeks just to search the surface. one factor that's favorable this is actually their hurricane season. in the cyclone. look at the trade winds. this is what causes hurricanes. very easy to see in the search region, clear, nice conditions. that will help aircraft with visibility. yesterday they had nine-foot seas. today where they are searching five-foot seas. if the debris floated south, very difficult to see anything that could be floating around. keep in mind look at the currents. anything in that area would stay in that region as the currents go in that circular fashion. hard to say in the last several weeks whether or not that has been the case. we'll look to the north not ruling it out. while it's that hurricane season or cyclone season in the southern indian oh, up north it's winter. several days, continue to look at fronts moving through the area. moving through kazakhstan. another cold front moving through. inclement weather. large storms, peaks 20,000 feet high and poor visibility. something they won't be ruling out there as well. inclement weather in the north and threat for cyclones in the south. >> they don't need any more challenges. >> nope. i don't think you could have more variables. >> good way of putting it. >> we'll take a break here on "new day". when we come back we'll continue the coverage of the flight 370. data was deleted off the pilot's personal flight simulator. why? fortunately we have a man who knows the answers. we have our own flight simulator and take you through what is known and unknown. 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>> pilots are organized people. we try to keep our life that way. it may have been deleted because he felt there wasn't enough space on the hard drive. but i don't really see it as something nefarious. >> doesn't set any flags off for you? how about you, in terms of the capacity of a hard drive, is this a regular maintenance thing somebody would do to clear out space on their hard drive or did these files not take up a lot of space? >> very unusual to go in and delete a file. a flight is saved in a folder, a menu folder and it represent as tiny bit of space. it's not giga bytes, it's kilobytes. >> as pilots we may not have that information let's get it out of the way. we don't have knowledge of that kind of i.t. information. >> the information that was deleted, obviously investigators are going to do what they can, forensic experts will try to get that data back and figure out what was deleted. what could it point to? it could point to what they were training for? >> possibly. i mean if you go with that scenario. non-nefarious. >> maybe he had a recurrent training coming up and trying out different procedures. so, it's possible that company have been just doing, getting prepared for regular recurrent training program. >> in terms of this notion that the data was deleted about a month they are looking at, about a month before the flight disappeared what does that say to you? does it say anything to you? >> not really. i mean -- not really. it doesn't really -- you know i go back to that, that he might have been preparing for a recurrent training program or just enjoying himself. >> you can point toer side, nefarious or non-nefarious. does it say something to you to set off a red flag. >> the way this works is you would be setting a location, an altitude and a heading and the purpose of saving it would be to return to it. >> right. >> so, for instance in this scene joy set this plane up at 35,000 feign hit the reset button it will reload that flight at exactly where i tell it to start. the purpose of saving it is to practice a flight from a particular location at a particular heading, altitude, and air speed and then you would fly it from that beginning point on. so the purpose of saving it would be to return to a point in space or a location and then fly from that. >> okay. >> so many times we'll save locations like if we want to fly out of laguardia, we'll name it with a plane. >> see as you name a file in your kpter. to that end in terms of retrieving this data -- i lost information on my hard drive that i can't find it. we know these guys are much more capable than any of us are. they can easily retrieve this data and look at it and examine what was he was training? >> if the file exists you would reload and -- >> put it right back up. in terms of safety features on this, on a simulator are there any protections, or security you would have? >> you could run failure modes. if a pilot is training there's all kind of failure modes for a pilot to train in that event. that's typically what a simulator would be used for. >> may have been simply embarrassed with his performance on a flight simulator and didn't apartment memory of that particular incident. >> do most flying pilots, working pilots have simulators in home or have access to? >> microsoft has a simulator. for the most part i would say no -- >> because you're flying enough to keep your skills up. >> this is like going to work for me. but, you know, other pilots are very into -- they enjoy it. it becomes a hobby to them. it's not typical, but then, again, you know it's not unusual. >> bottom line to you it doesn't set out any major red flag? >> thank you to both of you. chris, over to you. people hear he deleted the information and it sounds so suggestive. testing these ideas is all about. let's take a break on "new day". when we come back the families of those 239 families on board are desperate or answers and obviously they are sideline coming. now, they are getting desperate themselves. threatening a hunger strike if they don't get more information. we also hear about stark words from vice president biden this morning. he said nato allies will be defend after russia grabs crimea. is the region poised for war? 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>> reporter: we are hearing that the june naval chief who was at that base stormed by hundreds of pro russian protesters some of them reportedly armed he's gone missing according to the june defense ministry. that's raising some concerns. seems that base has changed hands more or less peacefully despite the aggressive assault against it initially. and pictures of unarmed june soldiers leaving. tensions are high after yesterday's first death of june service member in the ruin takeover of the base. we're hearing reports across the peninsula, a path is emerging. pro russian protest is backed with the armed force of uniform men who go to bases, pressuring people. in the northwest a tractor smashing open its gates, protesters staying at the entrance. russian flag hoisted above that building as well we understand. despite june soldiers seemingly leaving peacefully the tension dissipating something could go wrong. people are concerned about that. >> yuk soldiers are leaving peacefully. this vote was seen as the end but this is probably just the beginning. now vice president joe biden is in ukraine's backyard visiting with leaders of lithuania and latvia. he's assuring them the u.s. will respond. britain's prime minister is raising the possibility of expelling russia from the g-8. for that part of the story let's go to the white house for details. >> reporter: we've seen the steps leading up to that. initially when this started the first action that was taken by western allies was to cancel those preliminary meetings leading to the g-8 but still keeping the door open for discussion and action that really never happened on russia's part. so it's been asked intensively over the last couple of days what does this mean if no one is participating in these meetings leading up to g-8 does that mean it's not going to happen because russia is hosting it in june. but the white house won't really respond directly to that. again it seems like there's still that window open that things could change if russia adjusts its course but the white house did say yesterday, you know what? a g-8 isn't going to happen if preliminary meetings aren't going to happen, those are necessary and we know those meetings are not going to happen. they have not said for certain that the g-8 is out of question. cameron and britain is taking it a step further saying russia should be expeld from the g-8 or discussions to that effect should take place and g-7 nation will meet next week which excludes russia. >> complicated to see what russia will do next. president clinton offered the g-8 membership to russia as a theory of goodwill now it's being taken away. does russia care? we'll come back after a quick break on "new day" and talk about the family members of those 239 souls on board flight 370. they are growing more desperate by the hour. the information is slow and confusing. we'll show you what happened at a news conference when things boiled over and many family members said they will take extreme measures to get answers. we'll take you through. what does an apron have to do with car insurance? 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>> chris, this is a very difficult challenge for any nation that would pursue this task. first you have to consider the water column, the depth of the water, the surface bottom surface whether it's a rough surface whether it's a smooth surface. there's so many factors involved in this. that's why it's incredibly important to narrow down the area of the search. >> now when the uss kidd got pulled off of this there was concern expressed and u.s. sources told us no, no, we have the p 8s, they are great that. we're great at surveilling from the sky. what are p8s. what do they do >> the p8 is the newer version of the p3 o'ryan long distance surveillance aircraft. it can do an aerial sweep of a large square mile area. so it really can surveil the surface of the water at a very high-speed and give us a determination rather quickly, again, we have to couch that in a very careful way, quickly is a relative term whether or not there's debris on the surface of the water. that doesn't tell us anything what's below the water surface. >> below the water surface. you raise that early here in the conversation about something that's relevant, the water column, the depth. how big a factor is depth here given we're dealing with something that's obviously heavy and wouldn't float for long? >> actually that's a very critical element. the depth of the water in this area, i know you've had other experts comment on this previously, but you're looking at 10,000, 11,000 feet of depth. to find anything that's a static item, a piece of metal, an aircraft seat on the bottom at that depth is extremely challenging and you would need to use remote vehicles to do that type of search. >> and, what kind of assets will be involved? we're talking about these p8s. planes. we've heard about sonic buoys being used. >> the p8 aircraft again is specifically a high volume surface search aircraft. so it's only going to be able to tell you what you can see on the surface. a sonic buoy collect sound information in the water column. that sonic buoy is only effective when you have an object that's moving through the water column. so the aircraft and parts of an aircraft which were dispersed are not moving through the water column they will drift to the bottom. so the real search is going to be to look for things on the bottom of the ocean floor. and that would have to be done with remote vehicle assets that would be tethered from a surface ship, tethered to a remote vehicle that would scour the bottom of the ocean. >> now for all these different variables the urgency from the beginning has been time a concern especially on the u.s. side was boy the longer they wait the big terrify area gets, the deeper everything gets. that's the biggest concern. at this point 12 days in is there any kind of relevant time frame you have to fit in? we know the black box lasts 30 days and stop transmitting sounds. how else does time factor in? >> quite frankly time is our enemy. you do have ocean currents that have been discussed and debris even though sitting on the ocean floor will be affected by ocean currents and the debris field will move around a bit again depending upon the composition of the bottom of the ocean floor at the spot of the wreckage. so, time is a factor. but the more data -- as time goes by the more data we can gather that would indicate a more precise search area time would be -- that time would be very beneficial. >> to be realistic about this are we still dealing with when as opposed to if debris is found assuming the plane did hit the water, assuming that it is able to be discovered? how are we doing in terms of when versus if? >> this is an extreme challenge. i would lean more towards the if. we find debris, can we find enough debris to ascertain where the airplane wreckage is, if it's on the bottom of the ocean. so it really in my mind is an if situation. this is like hunting for a needle in a haystack or a needle in a group of haystacks. it's a very serious challenge. >> they would welcome the challenge of finding a needle in a haystack. rear admiral, thank you very much for the perspective. tough news to hear but fwoesht accurate than to have hopes where they don't belong at this point. ahead on "new day," we got an amazing story for you out of southern california. moving is a huge hassle. this move ended up being a life saver. we'll explain it in the good stuff coming up. neutrogena healthy skin liquid makeup. 98% saw improved skin. does your makeup do that? 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"newsroom" starts now. good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. it's been 12 days since malaysia airlines flight 370 went missing and for the families of the missing passengers frustrations are boiling over. despite headlines about search areas and flight paths and black boxes, despite the perceived inaction from the malaysian government still at the heart of this story are people. mothers, fathers, fiancee today anner a
durban. i have been talking to some immigration officials and people who have some knowledge of the plan. and it seems to fall into line with what the president said he was going to do and what white house officials have been telling me he wants to be aggressive, but as aggressive as he can be, given the legal parameters that he's been given by his justice department as they've been looking into just how far he can go. so, we want it ko tovr as many as 5 million people. and we should keep an eye on expanding the doca program, the deferred program and not necessarily parents of dreamers, which is something a lot of democrats had been pushing for. also look for some changes in the work permits. folks who work in silicon valley, other high-tech areas. so, those are some of the areas that it will cover. but we don't expect to get the final details until tomorrow. although, as i say, democrats are waiting to be briefed tonight at the white house over dinner. >> nbc's chris jansing at the white house. know you have to get back into that briefing. we'll look for more from you later on. thanks. the president's planned announcement is already drawing reactions on capitol hill. here's what senator john mccain told "hardball's" chris matthews earlier today. >> my question to the president s why couldn't he wait and see what this new congress does? give them some time. not a deadline but some time. you'll know whether they'll be able to move forward or not. you don't have to set a timetable and see then. but, obviously, that's not going to be the case. >> and you can watch more of chris matthews' interview on "hardball" at 7 p.m. msnbc. we're joined live from capitol hill by amanda. what are you hearing on the hill about buzz about this potential executive order that we will be hearing from the president? >> reporter: hi, joy. thanks for having me. now, as we know, the democrats are meeting with president obama in the white house today. this past week we've seen congressional democrats coalesce behind the president. they've been pushing his message that he is far beyond the first president to take executive action even on immigration. conservative stalwarts like ronald reagan and george h.w. bush have done similar measures in the past. so, they're arguing that this is not only legal, it's within his powers and they're getting ready for an upcoming battle. >> we just were looking at nbc/wall street journal poll, showing 48% of americans disapprove of the idea of the president taking executive action, 38% approving of it. when you're talking with people who might actually be affected by this, break down just a little of the reactions, because one of the key things chris jansing mentioned was not including the parents of dreamers in any executive action reform. what's the response to that? >> reporter: you know, the breakdown of that pool -- that poll there was very much along party lines. it was mainly republicans who responded, saying they were against these measures. but this is a major concern for many of the supporters who have been pressing for a very broad and very large actions from the president. many dreamers who were given these benefits under daca aren't able to see their parents get the same type of benefits, which has been a sticking point for many of these groups. they're here on capitol hill today passing the issue with lawmakers who could put this executive action in jeopardy. >> we have a statement from john boehner, future speaker of the house. i'll read it. if emperor obama ignores the american people and announces an amnesty plan he himself has said over and over again exceeds his constitutional authority, he will cement his legacy of lawlessness and ruin the chances for congressional action on this issue and many others. that's what the spokesman for speaker john boehner. what is the -- i mean, that sounds like a reaction that could have come from the tea party caucus that boehner has been wrestling with. that tone suggests republicans are going to react badly to this. is that the sense you're getting? >> reporter: he says all options are on the table and they haven't come to a clear decision yet. but white house's argument is they would far prefer to have any type of legislative answer and they haven't been able to so far because congressional republicans, mainly in the house, have stalled on this measure that was passed through the senate more than a year ago. >> and speaking of the senate, senator john cornyn of texas, clearly an affected state, had some thoughts on the senate floor about this executive order. let's take a listen. >> it will be deeply harmful to our nation's tradition of the rule of law and deeply harmful to the further of our democracy. many democrats believe, as i do, that this is a mistake. the president should heed their advice, stop making threats and respect the constitution. >> amanda, the senate, as you mentioned, did already pass an immigration reform measure along bipartisan lines. something like 67 votes. is your sense from talking to people on the hill, that there was any chance anyway of the house taking up the senate's bill or one of its own? >> reporter: there's no chance in this legislative session for any type of comprehensive immigration reform to go through. but there are many establishment republicans pressing for obama to wait on his executive action, to not do any type of initiatives yet and give the chance for the next congress to take something up. now, remember that senate -- or the republicans will be taking over control of the senate next session. so, they're wanting to address the issue when they have full control of congress. but as far as we've seen so far, there aren't any real measures for them to move forward with immigration reform. >> all right. msnbc amanda sukuma, thanks. could the house sue president obama for using his executive authority on immigration reform? a group of house republicans has already introduced a bill to make that possible. nbc's pete williams joins me now live. what are the parameters of this potential lawsuit? >> the first question is, will the courts entertain it? of course the house can sue. anybody can sue anybody. but will they get past this national question of do they have the legal standing, do they have the right to sue under the increasingly narrow rules in the federal courts that congress show some particular injury. we talked about that before. let's assume they get past the threshold. then the question on the merits itself will be did the president violate the separation of powers here? what this will undoubtedly come down to is a test of whether the president went too far in how the law is enforced. police do this all the time. prosecutors do this all the time. police say, we're not going to write -- we're not going to arrest people for small amounts of marijuana, that kind of thing. the way the law's enforced. over the years, immigration laws have been particularly susceptible to varying degrees of which they're enforced, government turns a blind eye. it happens all the time. the question is, did the president go too far this time? the courts are, generally speaking, reek luck tant to get into thes disputes because they consider them political questions and not legal ones. there are two problems for the house suing the president. jonathan turley, this lawyer they brought on board, believe the courts have been ducking their responsibility and should, in essence, toughen up and get more into these fights. >> wow. we'll keep an eye on that. nbc's pete williams, thank you much. let's go to florida where republican governor's association is kicking off their annual meeting in boca raton. new jersey governor and rnc chairman chris christie is set to speak. has the buzz spread to boca about this immigration executive order we're going to see tomorrow? if so, what are you hearing? >> reporter: the news, in fact, have reached the halls of this boca resort and club. it's very nice, waldorf astoria where they're hosting republican governors here. i spoke to governor walker today about his reaction to the president's plan, if you want to take a listen. >> this is a president who talked years about the audacity of hope. it's the audacity of a power grab. and i think congress should take him to court over it because it's a clear separation of powers issue. >> reporter: republicans across the board -- i spoke to louisiana's bobby jindal and mike pence, they say the president is overstepping his authority. that said, how republicans should respond is something of -- it's a point of contention, if you will. scott walker said that the best way to resolve this would be through the courts, so obviously house speaker john boehner is leading a lawsuit against the president. but there are some questions about whether or not a government shutdown is anything that makes sense. i think for a lot of governors, they make this argument that if the republicans are going to look to leaders going forward, it's going to be someone who's run a state, not someone based in washington. the government shutdown last time around didn't play well in the states. so, while there's universal agreement opposing the president on this is the right move, actually how they go about it is in some dispute. >> msnbc's kasey hunt in boca raton, thank you very much. let's get reaction from washington, d.c. where the center for american progress, a progressive think tank s holding a day-long conference today. nbc senior political correspondent perry bacon joins us live from washington, d.c. same question to you, has the buzz reached the hall, and if so, what is it, on immigration? >> reporter: the buzz on immigration has definitely reached the hall here. the center for progress has been calling for president obama to use executive action on a host of issues since 2010. they said for a long time, they've been pushing him on this. john poe ddesta, who now runs t think tank, are very happy. they're satisfied he's opposed keystone, climate change and immigration. they're very happy about this. they think this is a sign obama learned the lesson from the midterms and he's going to really push forward on his agenda. they're happy to see he's not sort of waiting back and really going to use these next -- their view is he's going to use the next two years to be very aer is stif. that's what they want to see from him. so very happy. >> interesting you said learned the lesson from midterms because republicans have been saying the lesson of the midterm is the country wants the president to stand down but what you're reporting is democrat says say the lesson is the opposite, maybe the coalition that didn't show up is who the president should be listening to? >> reporter: exactly. the democrats had issues like minimum wage and pay equity, but they didn't have a message and a theme. and the president wasn't really leading it and there was no leadership from washington on those issues. so, their view is the base was depressed. and these kind of moves like pushing climate change, like pushing immigration reform, will help fire up the party and make his next two -- last two years better because democrats will rally around him, even if republicans keep opposing him. >> and probably even more so if they keep opposing him. nbc's perry bacon, thank you very much. we'll have live coverage of the president's unveiling of his immigration plan tomorrow night at 8 p.m. right here on msnbc. we will monitor the white house briefing room, which is about to start any minute. we will bring you any updates from that. we'll be right back. this is the first power plant in the country to combine solar and natural gas at the same location. during the day, we generate as much electricity as we can using solar. at night and when it's cloudy, we use more natural gas. this ensures we can produce clean electricity whenever our customers need it. ♪ and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night,nd. and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24, a circadian rhythm disorder that affects up to 70 percent of people who are totally blind. talk to your doctor about your symptoms and learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit your24info.com. don't let non-24 get in the way of your pursuit of happiness. ♪ (holiday mhey! is playing) i guess we're going to need a new santa ♪(the music builds to a climax.) more people are coming to audi than ever before. see why now is the best time. audi will cover your first month's payment on select models at the season of audi sales event. visit audioffers.com today. welcome back. the white house briefing has begun. let's go to josh earnest. >> the president announced he is going to deliver an address to the nation tomorrow night where he'll be laying out the details of his executive action to repair our broken immigration system. [ inaudible ] >> i'm sorry? i'm sorry? >> reporter: was that a thank you to zuckerberg? >> no, this was an opportunity for us to reach, you know, hundreds of thousands if not millions of people. under an hour the video reached more than 1.2 million users on facebook. this is a pretty effective way of the president communicating with the american public about his intention to try to take the steps that he believes are necessary to fix as much of the broken immigration system as possible. the president also mentioned in that video he plans to travel to las vegas, nevada, on friday. he'll be speaking at del sol high school in las vegas. many of you have been there because you covered a speech the president gave there in 2013 where he laid out the principles he believes should be incorporated into any sort of bipartisan compromise, common sense immigration proposal. you recall the united states senate passed such proposal in the summer of 2013. and we've been waiting ever since for house republicans to block their opposition and allow that piece of legislation to come up for a vote in the house. one last thing i'll mention before i get to your questions is prior to delivering this speech tomorrow night, the president will be hosting a dinner tonight at the white house for some democrats from the house and senate. to talk through this immigration executive action that he's preparing to take as well as a couple of other priorities that he sees on the horizon. so, with all that, we have a lot to talk about. darlene, i'll let you begin the conversation. >> reporter: thank you. i think wendell might have stolen a little bit of my thunder here. >> oh, good. wendell has a tendency to do that. >> reporter: can you just explain a little bit about why the president is going the route of a prime time address to announce what he's going to do on immigration? >> the president is interested in including as many people across the country in this broader debate about fixing our broken immigration system. as i mentioned before, there is a bipartisan proposal that has already passed the senate, that we've been waiting for more than a year for house republicans to allow to come up for a vote. we're confident that if that legislation were voted on in the house of representatives, it would pass with bipartisan support. so, now that republicans in the house have indicated an unwillingness to drop their opposition, and they've also indicated a -- or refused to indicate any sort of willingness to bring up immigration reform legislation in the next congress, the president's decided it's time to move forward. and the president wants to talk to as many americans as possible about how he intends to move forward. and, you know, 8 p.m. on a thursday evening is an opportunity for people who are either sitting in front of their televisions or tablets or smartphones, to hear directly from the president about what he's decided and how and why he wants to move forward. so, that's -- that explains the reasoning for tomorrow's time frame. >> reporter: do you have any names of the lawmakers who were invited to dinner? >> it's about 18 members of the house and senate. we'll get you that full list at the break. it's just democrats, that's what i said at the beginning of the briefing. >> reporter: yesterday you said that legal opinions for justifying what the president's going to do, that that would be released. will that be released tomorrow? >> there will be some material related to the legal justification for the president's executive action that will be released tomorrow. and we'll have an ample opportunity to discuss that. what i will point out, and maybe we'll have the opportunity to talk about this a little more in the briefing, is i think that you will find that it's consistent with actions taken by presidents of both parties, to deal with the -- with the immigration system that presidents from eisenhower, kennedy, johnson, nixon, reagan, both bushs, took executive action to deal with the -- with some -- what they characterized problems with the broken immigration system. and they took some steps unilaterally using their -- the authority that's vested in the executive branch to try to solve some of those problems. and what you'll see in terms of the president's announcement will be generally consistent with that exercise of executive authority. >> and so there's a speech tomorrow night. he goes to the high school on friday. will there be more stops by the president to sort of sell this, if you will, i mean, next week? is thursday and friday the extent of it or will there be more stops with the president talking about this? >> well, i do anticipate we'll be having a number of -- a rather lengthy discussion about this decision. and the president, i say, in all sincerity s looking forward to this debate. the president feels very confident both in the steps he's taken. he also feels very confident in -- in knowing that these steps are going to be good for the country. that despite some of the concerns that have been raised by republicans, we know that these steps are going to strengthen national security. they're going to strengthen security at the border. they are going to strengthen our economy. and they will do something to address a lingering problem, which is the millions of people who currently live in this country, who can come out of the shadows, can get right with the law, they can pay their taxes, they can go back to the line, go to the back of the line. but also sort of become full contributing members of communities large and small all across the country. and this is -- this is an important step that will have a pretty profound impact on the lives of millions of people who live here. and, you know, we'll have an opportunity over the course of the next couple days, obviously, to talk about this in more deta detail. but i would certainly not rule out that in the coming weeks that the president would take additional trips or host other events to continue talking about these very important issues. >> thank you. >> roberta. >> reporter: if what the president wants is comprehensive reform, which requires bipartisan action on the hill, why wouldn't he invite republicans or some republicans for dinner and talk to them about it, too? >> well, roberta, sadly, if it were only dinner that was required to get republicans to act in bipartisan fashion, we would have passed bipartisan compromise immigration reform legislation quite some time ago. you recall the president convened a lunch just two weeks ago where he invited democratic and republican leaders of the house and senate to come and talk to him about a range of priorities, including immigration reform. so, tonight's dinner will be another opportunity to talk about immigration reform. certainly not the first opportunity and it won't be the last. >> is he worried about some democrats being nervous about this move and siding with republicans on whatever republicans decide to do to stop it? >> the short answer to your question is, no. the longer answer to your question is, i do think there is -- again, once we have an opportunity to talk to about the details about the executive action the president has chose ton take, it will be clear there is a solid legal foundation for the president taking those actions. again, we do anticipate that there will be republican opposition to what the president announces. the president, it was pretty clear when he talked about this, as he mentioned at the news conference he hosted in ber ee he noted we shouldn't allow this agreement over a single issue to become a deal-breaker over every issue. we shouldn't allow disagreements over immigration to prevent us from finding common ground on where it may exist with other issues. the fact the president signed a bipartisan child care bill in the oval office, a ceremony attended by democratic and republican legislators is an indication, where there's common ground, we should act on it. >> reporter: is he worried about this sparking a shutdown or defunding by republicans? >> we've seen definitive statements from republican leaders in the house and senate indicating they would not shut down the government. and i take them at their word. >> reporter: yesterday we heard cecilia munoz say the president will go as far as the president can under the law. would you stand by that and has the president decided to go as far as he can? >> well, we will have an opportunity to talk about that a little more. i think it is fair to say what the president asks the secretary-general and homeland security to do is what was in the law and compile -- or at least formulate a strategy for ma'am mizing the authority vested in the executive branch to try to address as many problems as possible. there may be some people who, based on their own reading of the law, believe the president could have done more. that's why i hesitate to use the formulation you repeated there. but i do think that by any measure, upon reviewing the actions that the president has chosen to take, an impartial observer would conclude that the president has sought to maximize the use of his authority to try to solve these problems. frankly, i think that's what the american people expect the president of the united states to do. to use every authority that's available to solve problems. >> reporter: you mentioned sort of the way i originally -- something more specific, if the president had wanted or does want to expand this to the parents of dreamers, from the review that was done, and you know the results of that large-scale review, does that fit under the law? so, we're not talking about what the president is going to do, but does that one element fit within his bounds of the law? >> well, i do want to reserve comment on any of these sort of -- any of these proposals that have been floated so far until the president's had an opportunity to make his announcement. we can spend more time delving into what the president chose to do and what was the legal justification for doing so and whether or not legal justification may have existed for him to take other steps. but we can talk about that a little more easily once the full complement of the president's proposals has been laid out. >> reporter: got it. what the president will announce tomorrow night, will that be able to survive attempts of members of congress to defund certain elements? i mean, do you think it's defund-proof, in any way, or still susceptible to those kind of actions of congress? >> i think we'll have to see what republicans choose to do. i do, however, feel confident there is strong support on capitol hill for addressing many of the problems that the president hopes to solve by using executive authority. but, you know, we certainly anticipate that we'll have a robust debate about these issues. and i don't anticipate, again, based on the public comments of senator mcconnell and others, that there's going to be a government shutdown that results from this. >> reporter: lastly, already, you know -- again, we know it hasn't been announced and you can't get into details, but already some groups are coming out and saying, it doesn't go far enough. how do you respond to that, ahead of it even being announced? >> i'm sure you can come to your inbox and find who say the president's gone too far. there are both commenting on a proposal they haven't seen. we'll have plenty of an opportunity to debate these issues once the president's made an announcement. alexis? >> reporter: josh, can you tell us what will be the implementation date stashed to -- attached to president's executive action? >> we'll have more details once it's rolled out tomorrow. >> reporter: can you talk about implementing it through dhs and how long it will take or -- daca took about two months, i think, roughly, to implement. how long is the implementation phase needed? >> once we can look at the proposals the president has laid out, question look at the timetable. >> reporter: business community would be very interested in their ability to hire or to employ? >> well, as many of you know, who have been covering this closely, the white house has been engaged in a wide range of conversations. as the president's been considering what steps to take. those conversations have been rooted in, primarily, helping to understand -- or helping the white house to have a clear understanding of how specific decisions might have an impact on specific communities or, in some cases, even specific businesses. so, there is a desire to have that kind of understanding. as a result, there have been a number of conversations that have been convened by members of the president's staff to discuss some of these issues. there are a number of conversations that are ongoing today and will continue tomorrow related to communicating to lawmakers and other interested parties in washington, d.c. about what the president's decided. but the one place where people can expect to get a detailed rundown on the president's proposal will be in the context of the speech the president will deliver tomorrow. >> reporter: lastly, when we get briefed or we get information, will there be budgetary numbers attached to it? will we be able to understand tomorrow what the projected costs or budgetary effect will be? >> i don't know if those numbers will be produced, but you certainly are welcome to ask about them. we'll see if we can get you some answers. jon? >> josh, would the president veto a government funding bill that included provisions to prevent him from taking this action? >> well, certainly would not be a proposal that the president would support, obviously. but i think we would evaluate, you know, these individual proposals on the merits before we made a final decision. so, we'll see. i think we'll also will depend a little on what republicans choose -- would choose to do in that situation as well. >> reporter: bares been a lot of talk from republicans saying they would fund the government, but not allow this to go forward. they use that as leverage. so, you don't rule out the president signing into law something that would undo the very thing he's going to announce tomorrow night? >> i think that seems -- i think we'll have to sort of evaluate for ourselves what sort of proposals republicans put forward. i wouldn't want to hazard a guess as this point. but, you know, it won't surprise to you hear that proposals that are floated like that certainly would not be among the kinds of proposals we'd support. >> reporter: senator cruz has already reacted to this. >> let me guess. >> reporter: he says that the republican senate that will be sworn in in january, the president goes forward with this action, should not confirm a single nominee executive or judicial outside of vital national security positions as long as the illegal amnesty persists. what would be a reaction to senator cruz? >> well, i think what i would merely say is that the -- you know, the president talked a lot over the last couple of weeks about the lesson he drew from the last midterm elections. it was the president's view that the american people were interested in their representatives in washington, d.c., making progress on behalf of the american people. and that doesn't mean folding on principle. but it does mean trying to find common ground and putting the interests of the nation ahead of partisan political ambition or political interests. and that certainly is a -- is a message that the president has taken to heart. we hope that democrats and republicans will do the same. >> reporter: so, again, and i know that this has been addressed here, but just, given exactly what you said there about the message voters were sending in the election, doesn't it send the wrong msage to have the president bring only democrats here tonight to talk about what he's going to do? i mean, you said you hoped this does not -- that this action would not foreclose the possibility of congress acting to do something more broadly in a bipartisan action, so why not start here? bring republicans in and say, this is what i'm doing, here are the details and i know you don't approve of how i'm doing it, but, you know, let's start to work together on something else? >> i wouldn't rule out that those -- those kind of conversations are occurring. but we've had any number of countless conversations with republicans, both in the -- mostly in the house, but also in the senate prior to the passage of the senate bill, trying to find areas where democrats and republicans could find common ground to make progress on comprehensive immigration reform. the senate succeeded in that effort. there were 14 senate republicans who joined just about every, if not every democratic senator to support a common sense proposal. we would like to see the house operate in similar fashion. they've had almost a year and a half now to do exactly that. and they would if that bill were allowed to come up for a vote. but the house republican leadership has concluded that they don't want that bill to come up for a vote, probably because they oppose it and fear it would pass if the house did vote on it. so, you can describe the people who are having dinner with the president as democrats. that would be true. can you also describe them as people as genuine supporters of common sense immigration reform. that would also be true and that will be the principle topic of discussion at dinner. we should not, however, allow disagreement over this issue to be a deal-breaker over all the others, including the appointment of highly qualified professionals to serve in important roles in government. >> reporter: john boehner has said publicly that the president taking this action would poison the well, not only in terms of immigration reform in this next congress, but on a whole range of other issues. in other words, it will make cooperation with the white house very difficult on issues far beyond immigration. i'm told he also said that message directly to the president when they had lunch here. does the president take john boehner at his word when he says that the president taking this action will, you know, poison the well on a whole range of issues? >> well, i think you highlight what i think is a pretty stark difference in approach between the house republican leadership at least and those of us who work here for the democratic president. you know, we've seen house republicans pass, what, 40, 50, 60 different measures to defund or repeal obamacare, as they call it. and the fact is, it would be sis for the president after maybe even the fourth or fifth time to say, well, look, if you guys are going to be so focused on defunding obamacare, then there's no reason we can cooperate or compromise or get anything done for the american people. there is no suggestion by me or anybody else who works at the white house that repeated efforts by republicans to repeal the president's signature initiative was somehow poisoning the well. we chalked it up to a mere difference of opinion. now, that difference of opinion happens to rest on a piece of legislation that is ensured millions of people got health care, slowed the growth in health care costs and bunch of patient protection which is are popular with the american public. we can have legitimate difference of opinion. i'm not disagreeing those differences of opinion exist. they obviously do. the question is, what are you going to do in reaction to them? the reaction here is, we're not going to allow those difference of opinion to interfere with our efforts to try to find common ground. >> what i'm asking you, does the president believe john boehner when he says that if you go forward and take this executive action, we will not be able to work with you, not just on immigration, but on a whole range of other issues, that it will poison the well. does he believe the speaker when he says that? >> i think the president always takes the speaker at his word. but i think the president also is willing to allow the speaker to change his mind. >> reporter: following up on that, if the president -- let's say speaker boehner doesn't change his mind and says this is a deal-breaker for a whole host of issues. but if that is the case, this immigration reform the president is so intent on doing tomorrow, is it worth it? is it a big enough issue as far as legacy, as far as, you know, all of the goals of this administration, is it worth that gamble? is it worth that risk? >> this is something i've said before. let me sort of pose it to you again. this is the way that the president sees it. that sitting before him right now is a pretty fundamental question. right now we've got, you know, bipartisan legislation that passed through the senate. we have house republicans who have blocked it for more than a year and a half, who have indicated they're going to block it through the rest of the year. and have also indicated in answering a question from one of your colleagues that they're not really willing to commit to bringing it up next year. so, the president sits at his desk wondering, should i await intermably for republicans to take an action they say they oppose, or should i use all of the authority that the american people have elected me to exercise, to make progress for the american people? in a way that would be good for our national security, in a way that would be good for strengthening security at the border, in a way that would be good for job creation, economic growth, middle class families, good for our nation of values of immigrant citizens. when you stack up the pros and cons there, this is one of the decisions -- the president often says that as president of the united states, only the tough decisions actually reach his desk. this might be the one exception. >> reporter: isn't one of the cons, at least the threat of, you know, serious inaction when it comes to nominations, when it comes to a budget, when it comes to a host of other issues that certainly are important to both republicans and the president? >> well, i guess the -- that is predicated at least on a premise that republicans have been exceedingly cooperative with the president when it comes to the budget, nominations and other things, too. it may be a difference in degree, not in substance. mara? >> reporter: when you formulated these actions, did you do some kind of analysis on how many illegal immigrants you thought would come out of the shadows to take advantage of this temporary relief? >> well, what i anticipate we will be able to do once you see the proposals tomorrow, the numbers that would be affected by this. >> reporter: i'm asking a slightly different question. not how many could be, but those who are willing to do something, identifying themselves as illegal, coming out of the shadows, knowing the next president could take this temporary deportation relief away from them and deport them. i'm just saying it's a risk. i'm wondering -- >> that's true. >> reporter: -- if you considered that? >> it was certainly considered when the president announced daca, deferred action for childhood arrivals. this was the analysis done by the population of people affected by this -- by that decision. there was a discussion about the number of people who were likely -- i think they call it a take-up rate, the number of people who would make themselves available to benefit from this decision. and i would expect a similar analysis would be conducted in this instance as well. but we'll have more to say about this tomorrow. >> reporter: can i ask a question on a completely unrelated topic? >> of course. >> reporter: a real segue. what is the administration's position on lifting the 40-year-old ban on expoergt u.s. crude oil? i mean, there is a ban on it since the '70s. >> a little like a pop quiz. >> reporter: i mean, i curiously don't know. i honestly don't know. >> to make sure i get it right, i can get back for you. i can do that for you later today. mike? >> reporter: i was really struck by your first answer to jonathan's first question. >> is that a compliment? >> reporter: it sounded like when you were saying, you know, jonathan asking you, hey, if there's legislation defunding this, would you veto it? you were kind of saying, well, we'll see exactly how it's written. it sounds to me like what you're saying is, this is the order, but we'd be willing to negotiate with republicans over the scale and scope of this order short of them passing new immigration legislation. am i fairly interpreting your response? because otherwise would you say we'll wait and see? >> mostly because i didn't want to comment on a hypothetical. i didn't want to rule anything out. obviously, we would take a dim view of any efforts by republicans to try to curtail the president's executive authority, you know, using a rider on a budget proposal. >> reporter: let me then just -- >> that said -- >> reporter: i'll give you the question straightforward. is there room here after the republicans scream and cry about this, for them to come back a and -- with you and say, well, we're not going to pass legislation, but we might do this for you if you would scale back the order a little bit in this way or that way or add this or add that? >> well, i think the president is always -- is not just open but interested in conversations with republicans who have a genuine interest in trying to make progress on the kinds of priorities the president has identified and that the american people support. >> so, it is open for negotiations? >> we'll certainly open to conversations. does that mean we'd be -- like i said, i can't imagine a scenario where the president would be interested in curtailing his own authority in a way that didn't have the kinds of positive -- >> reporter: it would be curtailing your use of your authority. you always have discretionary -- >> that's true. this is a difficult one principally because it's a hypothetical situation. let me just say, i think the one thing that i can say that's rooted in fact and will continue to be true is that we're always going to be open to conversations with republicans who have a genuine interest in trying to strengthen or improve on policy priorities that the president has identified and the american people support. major? >> reporter: josh, following up on that line of questioning, just so i understand what the priorities are, because it's, yes, a hypothetical in a general sense, but it may actually not be a hypothetical. if republicans put a rider on a continuing resolution, in which a lot of other very important funding mechanisms of the government, ebola, isis, everything else, are there, and this action is the one item that jeopardizes all the rest, which is the president's more preferred priority? >> well, if an eventuality like that occurs, we'll have ample opportunity to discuss it and debate it. if that happens, i'm sure it will. i'm not going to weigh in on it from here, though. >> reporter: by the president's own timing, he intended to do this, made a public promise to do this in december and then delayed it, signaling to everyone that the timing of this is completely fluid. it is discretionary. it is at the president's discretion. >> that's right. >> reporter: so, in that sense, putting it up against a continuing resolution and government shutdown scenario, is also a discretionary decision of the president's. it seems like he is intentionally putting it right next to these other things. so, i'm just wondering if that's a signal he's trying to send this is more important than anything else that has to get done before the president and congress wrap up this legislation. >> that's not the intent. the fact of the matter is, major, we would have been happy if congress had actually passed a budget last year when they were supposed to as opposed to just moving forward with this continuing resolution that kicked the can to the middle of december. this is not an effort to provoke a standoff here. in fact, the fact that republicans have refused to act on immigration reform is why we are where we are anyway. so -- >> reporter: all i'm saying is if he had done it in september, then you would have a cr in late september. i mean, it is by your choosing they are closely aligned with one another, these two things now. by the president's own choice. >> well, again, it was congress's choice to pass the cr that only extended the budget through december 11th. our -- i guess, are both parties responsible for the fact that both of these things are happening in relative close proximity? probably. but again, even if -- regardless of when the president had decided to move forward with this action, i'm confident that -- that there are plenty of senators who would have found a way to raise a ruckus about this using legislative process. i'm sure that will occur this time, too. i think that would have happened regardless of which season of the year that this decision had been announced. >> reporter: in that context, this authority is negotiable within a conversation about keeping the government open. is that fair? >> i don't want to leave you with that impression. that was sort of a hypothetical scenario, would the president negotiate. that's assuming the republicans would negotiate, after we just talked about how they aren't willing to negotiate. i don't want to go too far down this hypothetical road. as a practical matter, one, the president is always open to conversations with republicans. and, two he is always open to those conversations when they are in pursuit of strengthening policies he thinks are good for the country and that the american people support. >> reporter: very simple, perhaps, blockhead question, which i sometimes come up with. is there something the president signs, is this a new order? does is it have a number attached to it? or is it something in which he merely communicates to his bureaucracy a set of guidelines that implement authorities in a different way? >> right. we'll have more to explain about this tomorrow. >> reporter: but can you even -- >> it's a legitimate question to ask, but once the president has made these decisions, we can talk a little bit more -- once the president has anounsd -- >> reporter: the mechanics -- >> let me clarify. once the president has announced these positions, we can talk about how they're effectively implemented. >> reporter: you kahne can't even explain the mechanics of it? >> i can, once the proposal is laid out. i don't want people to read into the description of the mechanics and assume that they know something about what the president's decided. . >> reporter: i believe you suggested one of the goals of the president is for people to come out of the shadows with this executive order. it was my understanding that the way to do that was the path to citizenship that republicans call amnesty and object to. so, given that, i think the president's made clear that he cannot offer people that. do you really expect this order to encourage people to come out of the shadows? and if so -- >> again, once the president has rolled out exactly what he proposes to do, then we can have a discussion about what that intended effect would be. >> reporter: well, then let me ask you this, is it possible that the executive -- the path to citizenship mr. obama insisted be part of a comprehensive immigration reform is not necessary to lure people out of the shadows? >> again, we'll have are an opportunity to discuss this once the president has made clear what exactly he intends to do. chris? >> reporter: if he's meeting tonight with these democrats, are we to assume this is a done deal, the decisions have been made and it's not likely to change between now and when he speaks to the american people tomorrow night? >> it's my understanding there continue to be a couple of lingering policy decisions that have to get locked down, but for all intents and purposes, the president will be ready to move forward when he gives his address tomorrow evening. >> reporter: are those related to legal questions or is he in some way waiting to hear what the democrats' reaction is tonight? >> well, i see what you're asking now. i think i may have misunderstood your first question. i do -- would anticipate over the course, the president will have a robust opportunity to speak to them about the decisions he's made and to communicate to them what impact he hopes that those decisions will have. i would not anticipate that there's going to be a lot of hoer horse trading or negotiating back in forth during the context of the dinner. the vast majority have been locked down. this is more an opportunity for the president to share his thinking with those who share his values on these issues. not really a negotiating session. >> reporter: can you give us a sense of his -- our new nbc/wall street journal poll show 48% people approve on immigration action, 38% approve. now, there is a pretty wood disparity in terms of republicans versus democrats, but clearly almost half the people don't think he ought to do this. so, can you tell us a little bit about the formulation of the case he's going to make and how high the hill is that he has to climb? >> well, i'll say a couple things about that, chris. i think the first is that -- i didn't see the exact wording included in the poll, but if the wording was something along the lines of, do you believe this is a policy problem that should be fixed with legislation rather than executive action, then it sounds like you may have called the presidential cell phone because he would probably answer the poll the same way plurality of americans did. >> reporter: do you approve or disapprove of the president taking executive actions or do you not have an opinion at this time? >> the president clearly has an opinion. >> what was it -- >> 48%. >> what's the president's cell? >> i'll get that to you later. so, i think the point is, the case the president will make is we've seen congress has not acted and so the question is, should the president use the authority that's vested within the constitution, invested with the presidency, to try to address some of these problems? and the president, i think, pretty unequivocally believes the answer to that question is he should take the steps necessary to try to solve some of these problems. >> reporter: obviously, he also thinks he needs to make his case to the americans? >> no question he needs to explain that to the american public. some of that is what are the consequences of the action he's announcing. the president will, and all of us, will be spending quite a bit of time talking about that, not just tomorrow night but for the days and weeks ahead. >> reporter: because he knows that he has -- he has a tough job to make this case? >> i think because he feels like he has an obligation as president of the united states to explain to the people who elected him precisely why he's taking the actions he is taking. >> reporter: is there some political miss chichief, is tha republican party will become so incensed that in your big victory they'll drive the wagingen off the cliff, impeachment and shutting down the government? is that part of the calculation in timing? >> are you suggesting that would be the first time they would do that? well, i think what the intended audience for this message is the american people. and the president is hopeful that the american people will carefully consider exactly the steps that he has announced that he's going to take. he's hopeful the american people will carefully evaluate the consequences for the steps that he's planning to take. and i think if people do that, i think the vast majority of americans will share his views that these are steps that he should take, that these are steps that on par are good for the country. and that these are steps that if congress were to take them, essentially make them permanent, that they should supercede any sort of executive action the president has taken. we look forward to having this conversation. it's an important one. >> reporter: i realize -- this ground's been -- >> go ahead. >> reporter: individual americans -- >> i would like to come back to it once we have a concrete schedule here. on a number of occasions the president said he could not legally without congress notably last year in the san francisco speech where he was heckled, said he couldn't violate the law, he had to work with congress. how do you square that? >> well, i think as it related to the hecklers, they were suggesting the president should stop all deportations. that was sort of the thrust the president suggested he needs to follow the law. that's true. that's why the white house feels an obligation to fulfill your desire to understand the legal foundation that the white house will be using as the president moves forward with these executive actions. >> in the context of daca, why couldn't he dot same thing he did for daca for others, to correct or to somehow lessen deportation at the outset of this administration? >> the steps the president will take, we'll have an opportunity to evaluate those tomorrow. >> reporter: i know alexis asked this, but i'd like to press down a little bit. are you considering an implementation date some time after the republicans take control of congress in order to give them a chance to, perhaps, move legislation? >> well, let me just say as a general matter to you and alexis that the kinds of proposals the president is talking about are not the kinds of things you flip a switch and start the next day. but we'll have an opportunity to discuss -- >> reporter: so, there could be a lag time? >> -- discuss the implementation after tomorrow. >> reporter: is there a date certain? >> we'll have more on this tomorrow. lori? >> reporter: a question for you in the address, it's clear he's not going to be able to cover, protect all 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country, but in his address tomorrow to the nation, will he have a message for those who will be left out? what is the next step for them? >> well, i think there are a couple of things. i don't want to prejudge what the president may have -- may have decided here. but i think the president does want to send a pretty forceful case that's rooted in our nation's values. that we -- this -- that the strength of this country comes from our diversity, and that diversity largely comes from the decision that people made generations ago to come to this country and to bring their talents and skills to building this country and creating a place where their family and their community could not just survive, but actually thrive. and talking about those values will be an important part of the speech. and i think that is -- that hearing the american president talk about those values in such personal terms, i think, will be part of the message that the president hopes everyone will receive. and that will be -- that will certainly be part of it. again, after you've seen the speech or at least the text of the speech, you'll be able to evaluate for yourself which part you believe would resonate with people who may not be directly affected by these actions. >> reporter: also, speaker boehner just put out a statement saying if he goes ahead with executive action, he will have cemented his governing with lawlessness. however, others have said it isn't necessary for the president to take this action, maybe to push congress to go ahead and prove some type of immigration reform. is that the purpose of him -- part of it, of taking this step and taking executive action in trying to protect -- or fix what he says is wrong with the immigration system? >> well, i'll say a couple things about the quote. i happened to see that, too. the thing that -- a couple things that stuck out to me. the first is, again, we'll have ample opportunity to discuss the legal bases for the president's executive action once he's announced them. you know, we've heard this kind of rhetoric about lawlessness from house republicans for quite some time. their latest statement referred to emperor obama. the matter of the fact, the president is somebody willing to examine the law, use the law and use every element of that law to make progress for the american people. that is -- and if that is something republicans are critical of, that's maybe a criticism the president wears with a badge of honor, i think. as it relates to, you know, the other part of the quote i noticed is that the president taking this action would ruin the chances for congressional action on this issue. i think what's ruining the chances for congressional action is the speaker of the house who is unwilling to bring up bipartisan proposal for a vote. that doesn't have to do with the president. that lies squarely on the desk of the speaker of the house. steve? >> reporter: a couple days ago jonath jonathan vesta had a conference call on regs and he said there was no way house republicans could stop them. can you make a podesta-esque statement about the immigration actions you don't see the white house is confident, the president is confidence, republicans in congress are not going to be able to stop him? >> well, i -- not many of -- not many people are able to exude the confidence of the senior administration official to which you referred. but let me say that i do retain plenty of confidence that the executive actions that the president will announce tomorrow will have the positive intended effect that we intend. which is to say that we're confident that there is a strong legal foundation for the president taking these actions and we're confident that even though republicans object to it, that these are steps that will be fully implemented and will strengthen the economy, create jobs, strengthen our border security, strengthen our national security and do the other kinds of things that the president believes are in the best interest of the country. >> reporter: they won't be able to stop them? >> well, you know, we'll see what republicans try. but, there's a lot of confidence that's retained in these proposals by this work here at the white house. justin? >> reporter: i want to ask two questions. first, you talked about why the president is going to las vegas, but i know also that that's obviously senator reid's home state. there are reports he'll be attending alongside the president. i'm wondering this is a public burying of the hatchet after the midterm elections? >> well, i think that, you know, you asked me a couple times about this. i guess you work at the hill. you're contractually obligated to care about these kinds of issues. let me just -- let me just say that the president continues to value the strong working relationship he has with senator reid. and previous questions about this, i sort of recited the litany of successful -- the litany of legislation that was passed successfully through the united states senate through the leadership and stewardship of senator reid. that's been the view of everybody here at the white house up to and including the president. and that continues to be the view here. so, the president's looking forward to going to -- to leader reid's home state. i haven't actually heard whether or not leader reid will be able to attend. i haven't gotten the update on his schedule. if he does, we would certainly be pleased to have him there. >> reporter: i want to ask about this in terms of a lot of actions -- or announcements from the white house in the last week or so. there has been the climate deal, this, the -- excuse me, the -- all of which seem to have really wrapped up the president's sort of democratic base, liberal base. i know that the president spoke after the elections about how he was going to try to change things, work out compromise more. i wonder how you kind of square a lot of announcements that have upset republicans and wrapped up democrats with that kind of new approach that you guys kind of said you were going to undertake but haven't yet. >> well, i think this goes back to a question i -- i don't know if it was roberta or someone else. i think this goes back to the president's philosophy here. we can't allow a disagreement over a single issue to become a deal-breaker for every other one. you're right, the president has talked about net neutrality and making progress to cut carbon pollution and even an announcement to reform our broken immigration system. at the same time, justin, you know, the president was in the oval office just a couple of hours ago, signing a piece of legislation that had strong support of republicans. the president was pleased to do that. in the context of signing that bill, the president also threw in the waste basket, proverbi proverbial proverbially, executive order that would have taken steps. that's pret good evidence of the president's. that was true of this child care bill. it would also be true of any immigration reform legislation that were able to make its way through the congress. the other point i want to make, justice, the president also did a couple of things that presumably republicans would support in addition to signing that bill, the president also spent a lot of time in his trip in asia focused on trying to open up overseas markets for american goods and services. that's something the president believes is good for the country, it's good for american businesses, it's good for american workers. he convened a meeting at the u.s. embassy in beijing with the leaders of countries that presumably would sign on to a transpacific partnership trade agreement. this is something that -- that some democrats support, certainly not all of them. but we have seen pretty enthusiastic reception for republicans from this proposal. that would be an example of common ground that could be found in a way that sort of highlights how the president's policy priorities do at least in some areas overlap with the policy priorities that republicans themselves have identified as well. >> reporter: any of those policy priorities that the president has communicated to republicans that hadn't existed before the election. the things you mentioned are things that even though harry reid, for instance, doesn't support, the president has for a long time now. i'm wondering if after the election there's been any change of policies or areas of compromise that the president's offered to republicans that we haven't heard before
lookout for the two men. the first of those two men have been identified as cherif kouachi. convicted of terrorism charges in 2008. his brother is also being sought. police want the public's help in catching them but warn they are considered armed and dangerous. a third suspect, an 18-year-old, surrendered to police after he saw his name in the news. the french prime minister says quote, several arrests were made overnight in connection with the attack. while the police search goes on france is in a national day of mourning. at noon local time the bells of notre dame rang as large crowds gathered to mark a moment of silence. french president francois hollande joined police officers at their headquarters in paris for the ceremony. vigils were held around the globe last night from paris to new york to hong kong. to show solidarity in the face of the attack on the press. the french hash tag translated as i am charlie is trending worldwide and has been tweeted more than 3 million times. the hash tag charlie hebdo has been tweeted more than 5 million types. as all this develops two new violent attacks in the past 24 hours have put france even more on edge. the first, a shooting that followed a traffic accident and left a female police officer dead. the second a bombing at a restaurant in eastern france. neither has been linked to wednesday's massacre but both are adding to the tension and anxiety gripping the entire nation. nbc's ron allen is live in paris. also with us from paris, peter gembell, a fellowist. sightings of the suspects northwest of paris? >> this one seems to have more credibility than others. there have been reports of sightings through the night, through the day. everyone thinks they see and police are responding. apparently none of these sightings have proven to be the suspects. this has been going on for some time now. involves about 70 officers. they're zeroing in on an area. based on what we're hearing from authorities, they seem to think that these two suspects are not that far away. there was even a report that they're heading back towards paris. but, again, these are -- citizens of paris, citizens of france. they live in paris somewhere we believe. and so it's likely they're somewhere in this community. here, we're at the largest plaza, the largest plaza in paris near the magazine. the magazine headquarters is right down the street there. you can see near me crowds gathering, paying their respects. down there, there are candles, there are flowers. even a display of pens and pencils in tribute to the journalists who were lost. a lot of solidarity here. it's a very strange time to be in paris. i've been to this town many times. obviously, nothing like this has happened in a very long time. it's a very comb better place. people are on edge. they're concerned about what might happen next. the killing this morning of a policewoman, a police officer on outskirts of paris was also chilling because there is concern these two gunmen who are considered armed and extremely dangerous could strike again. the the incident happened in broad daylight so people are on edge and authorities are being very circumspect as they try to nail down these two suspects. >> we know the identities of some of the victims including the editor and some of the cartoonists. we know the names of the two police officers. what do you make of the way france and the receive of the world has responded? >> well the mood is very sober. but very determined. and what i thought was magnificent yesterday was that immediately on hearing the news people went into the streets to protest, to demand freedom of speech. this is a country where freedom of speech is in the dna essentially. it was in the declaration of the rights of the citizens. they overthrew kings for the right of freedom of speech. here is something that was seen not so much an attack on individual cartoonists but an attack on a very fundamental freedom which is very dear to the french. so the reaction has been you can't do that. you just can't do that. >> peter, talk to me about this dichotomy of sorts. one is the concern there must be in the country as a whole that these two armed thugs are on the loose and they haven't found them. on the other hand the concern there is for their society and the fact there's been an attack as you say, one of the fundamental pillars of french society. >> well i think what you have to take into account and put into a context is that this is not the first time france has been under attack. there have been bombings. there was in 1995 a terrible bombing in the subway. and so there is a history of terrorism in france which people have learned to live with, unfortunately as it is. the other thing that's very very important is that there is a radicalized underclass if you like in france immigrant populations living in fairly squalid surroundings outside city centers, without jobs poor and it's very very fertile ground for the sort of radical jihadist islamic movements that we're seeing. and we now know over the last two or three years, we know that a fair number of these young men have been going to iraq have been going to syria, and what we know about the suspects as i say, they're just suspects is that they have a history, at least one of them has a history, of being very closely involved in the november in the movement of essentially sending young french men out to iraq. so this -- in the context for france is very complicated. because these are french citizens. these are young french men. they are completely disenfranchised, radicalized, armed and dangerous. >> peter gumbel and ron allen, both from paris, thank you. we just learned from paris prosecutor's office this morning's shooting in south of paris, in the suburb, is now being assigned to the counterterrorist unit to investigate. i want to bring in mikey kay, international affairs correspondent. also with me is a 25-year veteran of the fbi and msnbc contributor. what do you make of these suspects at least one linked to terrorist activities in the past? >> well it's not entirely surprising, given what we saw in the videotape. they seemed to have some level of training as exhibited by the way they move during the attack. the target was obviously -- there was reconnaissance done. in my opinion, they knew exactly what they were going for. they were able to accomplish their mission. get away. they're still on the loose. so not entirely surprising this is not their first dabble in terrorism. >> look, the way they handled the weapons. the way they communicated silently with each other. there's some knowledge. we now this 18-year-old is in custody. several other arrests were made overnight according to authorities. they hope obviously this gives some clues to where these suspects might be. >> it appears that the -- one of the main suspects char relationship kouachi is actually known to french authorities. they actually convicted cherif kouachi according to a press report in 2008 of being involved in a gang of seven that were all convicted for funneling fighters into iraq. what is believed is they were charged on funneling fighters and going to iraq to join the fight against the u.s. coalition along with sakari who was taken out in a u.s. air strike. they've been involved in this activity for many years. it took many years for then to actually prosecute and convict. he went to prison for three years. so he is known to the authorities. the other chap you're talking about, the 18-year-old, hamyd mourad, he isn't, as far as i'm aware -- the reports are saying he comes from that class that the previous -- your previous guest was talking about, that sort of class in the suburbs of paris, where socioeconomic problems exist. that's, as we noknow, one of the big problems when it companies to disenfranchisement of individuals. it's not just iraq and syria causing this. there are groups within north africa baca haram, al qaeda in the magreb. so they're getting it from the south and east. >> just a few minutes ago, nbc's casey vingrab reports she saw police racing through with sirens on a massive armored vehicle. witnesses tell nbc news about 70 officers descended in at least a dozen vans. these are live pictures. clearly a very foggy day. in france. we saw it in paris. a lot of activity there. gunners pointing out the doors. and so i want to bring you back to these two suspected killers, right. it's not clear if these guys were linked to a terrorist group. so far they've been able to stay on the run. can that have something to do with the fact -- >> we i first saw the initial reporting, my gut feeling said some support network. if they're even able to communicate with whoever might be supporting them now, that would be dangerous to them. likely all the communications are monitored and so forth. also we have to be very careful. there's a delicate balance about what the police are going to be telling the press about what's going to be reported and what is actually happening on the ground. i think back to the time square bombing here in new york whenever everybody was looking for feisal shazad and a lot of information was being released. help was a he was able to use that information. so french authorities have a delicate situation. they have to release enough information to get the public to help them and to keep the public safe. but not so much information to tip their hand to these guys that are on the run. >> so far, in contrast to other incidents we've seen in the past there is very little information coming out authorities on this. michael hayden said police need to talk to the french islamic community to get their help. how critical is that do you think, to get this situation resolved? >> yeah i think it's hugely important, jose. we've spoken about the holistic approach we need to take to the threat of jihad spism, not just in france but more broadly in america. one of those aspects is understanding the organic threat and how individuals become disenfranchised. a lot of that disenfranchisement is happening to the youth in the mosques by imams who are talking rhetoric that shouldn't be spoken. and they're turning these people. so it's important for us and important for the islamic community to be able to collaborate and speak up and speak against what has been going on. the other thing as well jose is in terps of intelligence and understanding and counsel the threat we talk about the technology aspects. the ability to listen or images drones or whatnot. human intelligence. we saw the french public galvanize yesterday. tens of thousands of people coming out on the streets in cities all over france. the public will be vital to this. the public watching listening and reporting to police if they see anything suspicious. the human aspect is vital to capturing these terrorists on the loose. >> don, the fact is human intelligence is key to any investigation. and when yowl haveu have a muslim population as large as 8% largest as any western european country, and some of them are being galvanized by rhetoric in different areas, how do you get good human intelligence into these communities? >> yeah mikey's 100% right. human intelligence. that is really going to be the key. you can have other sources of information, cameras and electrical, you know, devices and so forth. but human beings giving you the real story, that is important. that takes time to develop those relationships. i mean it's very tough in the middle of this situation to go out and develop 100 new sources. you have to start proactively building those relationships with the community and people that are running those circles that can give you that information when you need it. it takes time it takes planning. >> mikey, for the folks that maybe don't know how things in europe happen you know once you have a passport from a european country, you're able to move freely throughout all of europe without really having to check in. so the mobility is much more fluid in europe than it would be in other countries. >> yeah i mean there are many benefits to globalization. but what you're leading to jose, is one of the negative aspects. we only heard on the news a couple weeks ago about these immigrants trying to get from north africa. italy's a key point where immigrants are trying to get into. as soon as you get on to the european continent that freedom, that ability to be able to go anywhere within europe allows people to be able to just disappear and whether that be, you know, that the trafficking of people the trafficking of arms or access to revenue, the trafficking of funding, all becomes very easy. until you get up there and getting across to the uk is much more different. but mainland europe is a lot easier to penetrate to wanna be terrorists to and from these locations, whether it's iraq syria or north america than say, getting into america. i think that's a key difference we need to be aware of when we talk about what threat is now incumbent on america. >> we will go to these images. you can see a group of officers moving. i want your thoughts on this. when you have two guys that were born if france and that are paris residents, that's one thing as far as being able to hide. but if you have to leave the city you know well and you end up in places -- certainly authorities are looking at. it's difficult if you don't know the area to hide out successfully. this could be a positive thing for authorities. >> absolutely. that's the advantage the authorities will have. if these guys are on the run and essentially now operating without a plan more or less ad hoc taking advantage of whatever might come their way. the authorities eventually will get the upper hand on this. but hopefully it will be a peaceful resolution but that's yet to be determined. these guys seem to be ready for a fight and hopefully the authorities will be able to take them down without any more loss of life. >> and you and i were talking about this as the breaking news was happening. it seems as though these two guys were certainly more prepared and had plans to get out of that magazine and not become quote/unquote martyrs for their cause. they're clearly not wanting to get caught here. in a way, it's kind of different than what we've seen in the lone wolf operations in the past. >> absolutely right. these guys were calm methodical. certainly seemed premeditated. there was no urgency to get away from the scene once the atrocities have been committed. that to me tells me these guys have had experience and training. and the experience is really important in this. because the intelligence community's been nervous and cautious about the secondary and tertiary consequences of jihadists going to these operational theaters and coming back and utilizes those skill sets in a negative way so that's something the intelligence community has to be on top of. we were certainly taught when you're trying to evade an enemy, the best thing to do is go to ground during the day and then move at night. and i think, you know, if i was one of those guys trying to get away from the authorities, that's what i would be doing. going to ground during the day and then moving at night. obviously, makes it harder to track. the intelligence community will be aware of this. >> fog also helps. that's what we're seeing throughout much of france. >> that's a double-edged sword because it can be helpful in terms of the covert aspect but you can't travel very fast because you've got limited visibility. >> mikey kay, don, thank you very much. we'll be following the story all morning right here through msnbc. more live reports from paris as well as from adam schiff, member of the house intelligence commuty. a live look now at minneapolis. it's negative 14 with windchill. it's not just the usual spot. almost 200 million people across the country. bill karins has your forecast next. you 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dangerous. in northern michigan whiteout conditions. the truck driver apparently never felt the impact and dragged the van and the family inside for more than 16 miles. >> it was snow blinding. we ran into the back of a semitruck and he's not stopping and our car is embedded underneath of it. >> that is terrifying. nbc news meteorologist bill karins is here. >> she's stuck with her family and she wasn't even panicking. >> the truck driver didn't even know it. >> that's incredible. jose, little cold in miami this morning for you? >> 57 degrees. do you know how -- anyway. but look we're grateful because there are some really dangerous conditions. >> when it's 18 degrees when we start our morning in mobile alabama, that's about as cold as an air mass as you're going to get all the way to the gulf coast. of course we're getting used to it now over this last week or two in the northern portion of the country. now in the northeast, you're really hitting hard. the windchill advises are starting to expire. it's not quite as biting cold as it was when people went to work. it's not warm either. as far as the windchill, 183 million people under some sort of advisory or warning. as we go through the afternoon, it will improve. now that we're done with that now we're getting ready for the next shot of snow coming through. blizzard warnings in effect for areas south of miss. as the snow comes through, it's going to be more of the problems with driving. a coating of snow up through the great lakes and east tomorrow. >> doesn't seem like it's going to get warmer any time soon? >> slow. it's a slow warm-up. doesn't look like probably through the middle of next we we get a considerable warm-up. we may get a snowstorm too. we'll talk more about that. >> nbc's bill karins pleasure to see you, thanks for being with me this morning. i want to take you to one of the city's feeling below zero temperatures today. that's coming up in about 20 minutes below s minutes. from paris, this developing story, i want to bring in nbcnews.com's cassandra vina vinagrad. good morning, good afternoon for you. >> good morning. >> tell me a little bit about what's going on right now. >> well earlier today, there was a massive police operation in the center of town. about a dozen police vans and heavily armored officers. witnesses said 70 officers in total went searching. it appeared to die down and the police presence moved on. however, about 15 minutes, we were on the main street of the town, a massive police presence appeared to be under way again. about a dozen cop cars raced through the town. there was a massive article trailing behind them. the police have been just racing through the town about 90 minutes from paris, and we saw them searching houses in the area. they're going pretty much door to door. s.w.a.t. units, heavily armed, face masks on going door to door. this is a very sleepy area a lot of country homes. it looks as though they're doing everything they can to track these guys down. >> we're watching live images of this small town. we're seeing the caravan of police car after police car. motorcycles. all kinds of hardware apparently going inside of this small town. do you sense a -- a sense of urgency in this operation? >> absolutely. we've been hearing sirens pretty much nonstop since we arrived. and police cars are literally going in every direction at this point. they've got motorcycles. they've got vans. massive armored vehicles. >> directly from france thank you so much. we will be keeping a very close watch on what is going on there and probably coming back to you throughout the remainder of this program. we're going to take a short break. afterwards, more on this top story from paris. this morning, pope francis offered prayers for the victims, saying this is a reminder of quote, how much cruelty man is capable of. also prayed for the terror suspects and for the lord to change their heart. the tweet simply read #prayers for paris. 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>> we know the ongoing operation, this manhunt now, has moved into a variety of different cities. both in paris and some cities further away. as you mentioned, one of the shooting incidents that happened in the early hours, in an area about 90 miles outside of paris. the french prosecutor in paris has assigned that to the anti-terrorism unit which means although they're not linking it to what happened yesterday, they certainly believe the incident that happened yesterday carried enough significance. as a result the charges that have been brought currently being investigated as a result of the weapon used by these perpetrators. so a lot of significant developments. as a result of this morning's shooting, police are now transferring that case or at least dealing with that case as a terrorist attack. so that would essentially mean that would be two. obviously, the incident that happened yesterday and this morning at a gas station where that shooting took place. >> it's just i mean is it me are there access to weaponry when the rest of the population doesn't have it their weapons we're seeing that are really assault weapons we see in war. >> we don't have the answers yet because we don't know what if any, there is a link between what happened yesterday and this shooting this morning. the general sense is that weapons of this magnitude, like we saw yesterday in the attack at the magazine and what we are seeing this morning are not necessarily very common to see in paris or to see in france. i think there is going to be a major investigation into how these weapons managed to get into the hands of these perpetrators. if, in fact they're the same individuals or just as a result of this shooting the investigators are focusing on it being a terrorism attack as well. >> one of them who had spent time in prison for terrorism-related situations in the past. there is a fluidity that occurred between france and other countries. and countries that are currently filled with isis and al qaeda, syria, iraq. it's easy to get around? >> well right now what we're learning, we have to caution our viewers. we are getting more information about these individuals. based on french authorities who released these two images of these brothers who they are looking for. both of them at least one of the older ones have been arested by french authorities, known to intelligence officials, had traveled and have been involved in trying to recruit fighters in 2005. so individuals known to the authorities. lots of questions as to why they have not been in previous cases held for longer or why did they manage to slip through the cracks. >> thank you very much. i'll be of course checking back with you throughout the remainder of this program. you can catch him at noon eastern on shift on msnbc.com as he goes in depth on the paris terror attack. michael sheehan, most recently special secretary of defense for operations. pleasure to have you with me this morning. talk to me about this town where we're witnessing a massive police presence in an area that has really kind of out -- as cassandra was saying kind of a sleepy town area. what can you tell us about an operation like this? >> right. well apparently they have information as to where these guys might be from. generally around the outskirts of paris there are these large islamic populations. unlike in new york city where the islamic populations operate together. the french are clearly hot on their heel also at this time. >> we have to point out that france has the largest muslim population of any european country. almost 8%. let let's talk about the suspects and their connections to terrorism. one police official has been saying that at least one of the brothers was convicted of terrorism issues in the past. >> right one of the brothers was convicted in '05 for helping to recruit people to send to yemen and chechnya or iraq and, i'm sorry, to iraq and syria, but has tied to the yemeni group aqap. this is a guy with al qaeda linkages. spent some time in jail. probably made more informations there. has come out and now is involved in this incidentincident. back in 2005 al qaeda was the primary player in syria and iraq and so his connections may be there as opposed to isis group but right now it's unclear which connections he has and they're going to get to the bottom of that pretty soon i'm sure. >> michael, thank you so very much for being with me this morning. i want to bring in our next guest, senior member of the intelligence committee, chair of the congressional caucus for freedom the press. congressman, good to see you. tell me your reaction to these latest developments as the authorities try to track these killers down. >> well it's appalling. and horrifying of course. our hearts go out to our french allies and the hell they're going through right now. in many ways this looks early reminiscent of boston. and the manhunt that was going on for those two brothers. the tsarnaev brothers in boston were known to law enforcement just as these brothers were known to the french. just as those responsible for the shootings in ottawa was known to authorities. often it's the population you do know that is still a problem. and it just shows the difficulty in thwarting terrorist attacks. particularly when they're relatively low tech. even though this wallace a sophisticated attack it didn't require a lot of complicated machinery, bomb making materials or ways of getting new bomb materials through an airport for example. so fairly low tech but nonetheless very lethal. >> yeah the fact they had two automatic weapons in a country that doesn't have -- that has very strict gun control laws. you know, bears the question how is this stuff getting in. there's a shooting this morning, another police officer killed. what concerns you most about this attack and when you think about the united states and how we have issues that we have to confront? >> well a couple things that really concern me. we're still looking -- i know as the french authorities are into whether there are connections here. or whether they actually were in communication with these groups. one of the assailants saying they were affiliated with aqap that al qaeda offshoot. we still need to find out is that something he merely had an ideological affinity with that group or were they merely instructing him to do this. so that's something we want to find out in terms of what the influences, what the impact is here in the united states i think we do have to be very much on guard for a similar attack where you have multiple gunmen that can cause a lot of loss of life and do so in a way that's very hard to prevent or detect. if, for example, they're fairly insular, they're not communicating with others that is what concerns me the most those that don't have an association overseas. because those that do may be easier to disrupt and find out about. >> congressman, quickly, the effect it has on freedom of expression, freedom of the press, i think, should not be underestimated. >> you're absolutely right. you have to think that it is going to have a chilling impact on freedom of expression. it's going to affect people whether they're willing to work for publications that might lampoon something within islam or the prophet. it's going to affect what people are willing to publish. even now when you see coverage of this some of the period calls are shading out that -- the images of the french publications because they're concerned about showing those images. we're already seeing some self- self-censorship self-censorship. just as our own experience with the attack on sony how many film companies are now going to want to parody north korea and potentially make themselves vulnerable to cyberattack. this is something we have to resist and encourage in the most robust and uncensored environment as we can. >> congressman, thank you. still ahead on "the rundown," more on the terror attack in paris. and silencing satire. i'll talk with a comedian about the impact. a senate committee starts marking up a bill on the controversial keystone pipeline. i'll talk to the republican sponsor of that bill next. if i can impart one lesson to a new business owner, it would be one thing i've learned is my philosophy is real simple american express open forum is an on-line community, that helps our members connect and share ideas to make smart business decisions. if you mess up, fess up. be your partners best partner. we built it for our members, but it's open for everyone. there's not one way to do something. no details too small. american express open forum. this is what membership is. this is what membership does. we'll go back to that breaking news outside of paris. police are searching buildings in this town including farms and country homes. these are images we're just getting in. police dressed in military fatigues, ski masks, carrying cameo rifles have been searching. dozens of police are said to be in that town right now. an hour from paris. this comes among a nationwide manhunt for the two men blamed for the massacre in the french capital. of course we'll have much more as it becomes available. now, now to capitol hill where republicans say they're getting an ear full from the white house on the keystone pipeline. in just about 15 minutes, the senate energy and national resource committee will be marking up a bill aiming to improve the pipeline. it's got bipartisan sponsors in democrat joe manchin and republican john hoven but the white house says the president will veto it. which is something mcconnell brought up in his first press conference as majority leader. >> this is exactly the same bill before the senate last month when the then majority was trying to save landrieu in a runoff. i don't recall the president mentioning at that point he would veto the bill. >> one of those co-sponsors, north dakota republican senator john hoven joins me this morning. good to see you. >> good to be with you, jose. >> will this bill get to the president's desk? >> i believe it will. we have 63 -- or excuse me 60 sponsors on the bill and about 63 that have indicated support for it at this point. of course we're working to build more support. we're working to take it to the floor and have an open amendment process in an effort to build more bipartisanship. >> is this -- as mr. mcconnell said -- the exact same-type bill presented last month? >> it is. this is a bill i had written some time ago. my lead co-sponsor on the democrat side was mary landrieu. she wanted to bring it up before the end of the year. it got 59 votes. now joe manchin is the lead democrat sponsor. so all along we anticipated bringing it up after the first of the year but senator landrieu wanted to give it a cry last year so we did. >> yesterday you said you're not sure you could override a veto. what are the options you're weighing? >> that's why we're having this open process or what's called regular order on the floor where we'll go through the committee, let republicans and democrats alike offer their amendments. if they can get 60 votes, those amendments pass and they're part of the bill. again, we hope to build more support for the bill by having that regular order open amendment process. >> senator hoeven always a pleasure to see you. coming up more on the terror attacks on paris as freedom of speech and radical islam collide. 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(representatives speaking) hour of the rundown. watching breaking news. about an hour outside paris. nbc news learned that a special team of operations soldiers with the french armed forces are searching farms and country homes in a town about an hour from paris. this comes moments after witnesses saw two heavily armed men rob a gas station nearby. nbc's bill neely reports that police gathered there, appears an investigation is under way. all of this part of the nationwide manhunt for the two men accused of killing 12 people in the heart of paris wednesday. i want to bring in nbc's justice correspondent, pete williams. good morning. >> good morning to you. jose fair to say france is completely obsessed with this manhunt for understandable reasons for the fear that the two that were the most actively involved in yesterday's shooting would plan another attack. the best sighting they believe they have is this robbing of the gas station. the people there said they thought that the two that robbed them sure looked like the people whose pictures were made available last night by the french police when the police asked for public help in finding the two, and in addition they're searching the area as you say, they've got additional security around schools, public buildings, all throughout france. the request for help and trying to find them really extends beyond france throughout northwest europe. britain, for example, has increased security at ports and borders to keep an eye out in case they try to leave france and come into the u.k. other countries are doing the same thing. the second area of inquiry is to look into the background of these two. these are pictures released by the french last night, the one on the left cherif kouachi, has been known to law enforcement in the past. he had a conviction about a decade ago for trying to recruit young people to go to iraq and fight against u.s. soldiers there, and intelligence officials are now looking at whether the two, specifically him, may have traveled to yemen recently because yesterday one of the witnesses said that when the two men came into the newspaper office they said they were from al qaeda in yemen. so there's a question about whether a qap, al qaeda in arabian peninsula had any involvement in this whether it directed the attack inspired it, whether they simply were inspired by that group. that's a big question here about possible terror connections, whether they were acting on their own or had support. the french police also say they've arrested about a half dozen people overnight. it is not completely clear what that was whether it was kind of a roundup the usual suspects thing or whether they were other people that they were peripherally involved we don't know that yet, trying to work that out. also there was a policewoman shot and killed today, the initial reports say that person was heavily armed with a bulletproof vest. it is not clear whether that has anything to do with this shooting or not. as is typical in these kinds of things anything that happens is swept in and trying to figure out what connections could be. >> some in the french media are reporting one of the gunmen left an id in a get away car. >> a tantalizing question how did they get onto the identity of the men so quickly. and we had always thought that the car was likely the main thing because it was the most obvious piece of evidence left behind. what happened is when they drove away from the scene, they drove for quite awhile got into a suburb of paris, the car got into a crash and they abandoned it and carjacked a second car and moved on. the question was, whether they able to exploit that car and the initial reports are that one of them left behind some kind of id that let to the identity of the two. still, an unresolved question here the french prosecutor initially said three people were involved including this 18-year-old who surrendered to police last night, turned himself into a local police station. we still don't know what if any, role he played in this whether he simply is related to these two, whether he was there, whether he was not, apparently his friends are saying no, he wasn't. so that's a question that has to be resolved and i suspect it will be in the next 24 hours or so. >> thank you so very much. good to see you. want to bring in a professor with the center for terrorism from u mass and former analyst from the cia. thank you for being with me. i want to start with you, mia. seeing this movement going on in a town close to paris, and pete was talking about how authorities were so quick to be able to identify these two suspected gunmen. is there any possibility that they could have been so very careful in their operations in this magazine and yet left an id behind? >> no, i think that goes to the question as to whether or not they are professionalized or amateurish. this has been an on-going debate. for example, you have a lot of people chiming in about the way they held their weapons, the way they were able to shoot the weapons. the question remains is that they may have had some experience in terms of shooting planning the operation, but leaving behind any kind of identifying materials in the get away car is an indication that they were from the accident or they're not as professional as we initially presumed. >> or that they're good at killing people but not exactly road scholars. >> well i certainly doubt they're road scholars. i think what she was talking about is quite on the nose. you know they knew how to fire the weapons, knew how to move how to ex-fill trait out of a small area. once you get out there, it is quite difficult to get out of france or get out and under the noses of the french police. so they probably messed up. these things happen. and they might have left their id in the car, that's what the french police say. who knows what the truth really is. they might have had some sort of covert knowledge about the individuals from other sources, such as some sort of electronic surveillance that they don't want to talk about but want to say it was some other piece of evidence that led them to them. >> that's a good point. mia, also an important point that officials reemphasize over and over that there were concern these two thugs could carry out another attack not just the one that they carried out yesterday. >> yes. and that's one of the most dangerous things about it because they were very correct in how they operated they were very exacting. they went in they went out. they were able to kill exactly who was on their kill list. my concern is that there's more names on the list. but while they're fleeing the police, i'm guessing their ability to operate in a second attack will be severely limited. >> thank you so much for being with me this morning. appreciate your time. i want to go to paris, bring in nbc's lester holt. lester, good to see you. >> jose good to see you as well. dramatic developments here in the last few hours. this operation about 90 minutes drive north of paris where the two suspects are reportedly spotted at a gas station earlier today. that touched off a massive search, still under way. our teams up there are reporting helicopters in the air, convoys of police vehicles including some armored military assault vehicles with ladders on them. one of our crew was stopped and searched by police at gunpoint. there are apparently road blocks in the area and even house to house searches for the two suspects, again said to be brothers. that they put out the word that they were wanted in connection with yesterday's attack. at the same time, as if this region is not on high enough edge there was a shooting this morning involving two people. one of them was killed a policewoman. it was apparently investigating a traffic accident at the time. there were all kinds of reports about what happened there, right now, no one is drawing a link to the attacks yesterday, but it is not something certainly you see in this area a lot. so folks as we said very much on edge. the public memorials continue this is a day of mourning in paris and across france. there was a moment of silence at noon here today, the bells tolled from churches people stopped what they were doing, and they continue to come to places like this to leave remembrances, to light candles and honor victims of the horrific attack. this has cut this region to the soul, to the heart. people are fearful, the prime minister says it could happen again as long as the killers are out there. they could attack again. there's a massive military and police presence at public places in front of media companies here transportation houses of worship. they brought out about 800 additional security forces in the paris area as a result of this alert status. the highest terror alert that this region has been under. >> lester holt from paris, thank you very much for being with me this morning. so much more ahead on the attack in paris. the manhunt for the suspects widens. new developments as we get them through the hour. first, two-thirds of the nation is feeling a blast of unusually cold air. even the deep south is feeling the deep freeze. we are live in atlanta next where temperatures barely in the double digits now. well, a mortgage shouldn't be a problem your credit is in pretty good shape. >>pretty good? 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>> reporter: as you can see behind me road travel seems to be moving along pretty smoothly. there have been pipes bursting in atlanta, a water main break in downtown atlanta. when it comes to air travel don't know of major delays thus far, might not be the case in other parts of the country. here in atlanta, the world's busiest airport seems to be doing well with this so far. >> gabe gutierrez in atlanta. thank you. most of the country is shivering. one place that's heating up the 2016 presidential race. potential candidates are filling calendars with important meetings and raising cash. wondering when hillary clinton will announce that bid if she does so. reports are that an announcement will come in the spring. clinton has nonpolitical paid speeches until the 19th of march. with me now from washington kasie hunt. good morning. >> good morning, jose nice to see you. >> start with hillary clinton. is this now a notion not whether she will run but when she will announce? >> i think that's how we have been framing it. some is reading into comments from john poe did he say at that working in the white house, widely suggested he would have a lead role on any clinton campaign. he plans to leave the white house in early february and that he will do whatever he can to help her. hillary clinton has also brought into her circle a couple more top operative. joel ben ten son that worked on the obama campaign. the two of them are expected to play major roles. if it were looking like she wasn't going to jump in probably less likely we would see all of the top democratic talent start to get on board. >> stay with the democrats, senator elizabeth warren taking jabs at the clintons. what's she saying? >> she might be insisting she is not running for president, but you're right, she didn't seem to shy away. took several veiled jabs at the after cio, said the system is rigged and made references to when bill clinton was president in the '90s, he ran against quote, unquote big government and pushed for more deregulation of financial sector and that of course doesn't line up with where the party's liberal basis. she also criticized made a veiled reference to hillary clinton's sitting on the board, formerly sitting on the board of walmart, a company that's headquartered in arkansas their home state, has now come to represent all of the struggles for those who are trying to raise their wages as the economy tries to recover. >> and mitt romney met with members of the 2012 team last night. there's still suggestions swirling he will run a third time. what do you make of that? >> what jeb bush has been doing, the way he has gotten in front, especially the establishment wing of the republican party so early on has put pressure on whatever romney was thinking or planning. a lot in his inner circle would like to see him run again, particularly donors that ran the finance operation last time. the way bush entered the race makes it difficult to see how he would have a path. his advisers described it as not quite a savior necessarily, but not far away from it. if the right wing candidates that the establishment couldn't get behind or in case chris christie governor made one too many missteps. at this point, we don't see a clear definitive path for him yet. >> jeb bush takes more steps, right? 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how are you? aleve, proven better on pain. and continuing to break, developments in the paris terror attack. police may be closing in on the killers. right now, dozens of heavily armed anti-terrorism police and soldiers are methodical searching the french countryside an hour and a half outside paris. s.w.a.t. teams going house to house, searching homes and properties with guns raised. part of a massive manhunt for two brothers accused of storming the offices of satirical magazine charlie hebdo and opening fire. ten people killed inside two police officers were killed outside. nbc's ron allen joins me from paris with the latest ron? >> reporter: jose a lot of attention on the manhunt that's focused 90 minutes north of paris. unclear yet how valid the sighting was reported there. there have been any number of sightings reported around paris and the outskirts through the morning. people that think they saw the suspects or think they saw something suspicious. this is the most visible, largest concentration of officers we have seen anywhere this morning. and this whole situation of s.w.a.t. teams going through homes and buildings and barns in the area has been going on now several hours. the police aren't saying what they're finding, if anything. they're being very circumspect about what their investigation is turning up. so we don't know if in fact these are the two suspects or not. there have been a number of sightings through the morning. we also know that there was another police officer a woman, who was killed earlier this morning in a town that's to the south of paris. started with a traffic accident. police investigating, police at the scene and a gunman emerges somewhere in the area and opens fire. unclear if there is a connection between that and the attack on the magazine yesterday, but the authorities here are steering us away from making connection at this point but that may just be part of their strategy to say what they want to say publicly. again, we don't know. we know that case was handed over to the terrorism squad here in paris, which is indication that it may be connected. but again, we don't know. here in the center of town you can see behind me there are groups of people gathering. this is the largest plaza, about 15 minutes walk from the magazine down the street the other direction. people are coming to pay respects. there are candles, flowers, tributes to journalists that were killed and the police officers as well and through the day the crowd has been growing. we expect there may be another large turnout this evening. last night there were literally thousands, tens of thousands here and other gatherings showing support and showing the community is not going to be intimidated by what happened. again, at this point jose a lot of anxiety because a lot is not known yet, if the two suspects will strike again, if there's connection to the attack that happened this morning with the female police officer. so people are being cautious being careful, still determined and resolute not to be intimidated by what's happened. jose? >> ron allen from paris, thank you. let's bring in congressman bill keating from massachusetts, a member of homeland security committee. congressman, pleasure to see you, thanks. >> jose pleasure to be here. >> as someone who closely follows this part of the world, co-chair of the french caucus what has you most concerned about this whole situation, especially as we see this manhunt that could or could not be close to the two suspects. >> from a personal level, what really has been haunting to me is the similarities coming from massachusetts, and the boston area with the boston marathon bombing. the tragic irony is they're empanelling jurors on one of the brothers suspected in the boston marathon bombing right now while this has been occurring in paris. another situation of radicalization where there's two suspects that are brothers where the manhunt is spilling into the suburbs right now, and that fear is there, the hijacking, so many things were similar. in that front, i can't be anything more than struck with the similarities as well as looking at the connection to foreign fighters and travel as well as what's occurring in europe in terms of an action plan there that has been stalled in terms of dealing with terrorist activity. i think it could be a game changer in europe in terms of -- >> talk about the stalled policy. >> there's an action plan on two fronts to deal with external borders of european union countries, make sure there's harmonization of laws and enforcement, also what's stalled is passenger listings issues of privacy, you're aware is so strong in europe stalled the ability to share the information on passenger information that really is important among european union countries where foreign fighters can go back and forth and come back as more of a danger in terms of training with weapons and with military strategy as well as an effect on the u.s. because we have a situation where citizens of the european union can come more freely to the u.s. unless that's tightened up that's a danger back here at home. >> what could we do? what do you suggest we could do about that? >> what europe has to do is move forward with an action plan that several of the countries are in agreement with. they've had meetings in july and august a meeting in october to push this forward, yet it stalled because there are privacy concerns about having this data shared even among countries within the european union. without that there's a huge gap in place where people can go to syria, go to iraq become trained, become more radicalized, become more of a threat, and come back home. can travel within the european union countries freely but they also have less of a barrier into the u.s. >> and yesterday, heard legislators point to this tragedy as reason to give more power to the nsa, not less. play for you what the former cia and nsa director michael hayden said this morning on morning joe when it comes to private information collected by the nsa. >> that met a data doesn't look that scary this morning, i wouldn't be surprised if the french services pick up cell phones associated with the attack and ask the americans where have you seen these phones active globally. so we're going to have to continue to struggle with that balance between keeping ourselves safe and keeping our privacy protected. >> congressman, how do we strike that balance? >> well i am a former d.a. and actually led murder investigations, dealing with a lot of these privacy issues and data issues. the one thing i'm aware of is that we can get information and we can do it through a system that still protects privacy. there's a tension, a balance with it. but that's something we can do. i know right now they're looking at the trace evidence going forward at the building where the attack occurred. obviously preoperational surveillance by those people they knew what they were doing, where they were going, who they were searching for. they're looking at tapes, interviewing people from that neighborhood to see if they saw anything. but they're also going back on intelligence information from that point backward to see what they have on the suspects to see who their associates are. that's vital information. but we can hit a balance where there will be protections of privacy and aggressive data collection. now, we do that more aggressively in the u.s. than many countries in europe. so this is something that's going to bring the issue home. and i do think will make a big change in europe as to how they view the situation and create more ability to move forward on that action plan which will strengthen european security and strengthen security in the u.s. >> congressman, thank you for being with me this morning. >> thank you. up next two other stories making headlines. bill cosby back on stage, met by a bunch of protesters in canada. we are live in ontario with those details. and disturbing details in the search for students missing in mexico. that straight ahead on the rundown. welcome to the most social car we've ever designed. the all-new nissan murano. nissan. innovation that excites. latte or au lait? 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>> reporter: deirdre drove an hour and a half to join the protest. >> i am into forgiveness, but he has to take ownership for his behavior. his behavior is totally disgusting. >> reporter: some couples chose to attend even if they were uncomfortable. >> $100 tickets, didn't want to throw them away. >> reporter: others said they remained fans. >> hasn't been charged, convicted or anything but i hope it is not true. but i don't know whether it is. >> reporter: he performed for nearly two hours, writing to fans afterward, i would like to personally thank you for giving me the opportunity to bring laughter back into your lives. >> for more than 30 years i have been sickened by what he did to me. >> reporter: in los angeles wednesday, three new women that had never spoken publicly accused him of drugging and sexual assaulting them. the claims not substantiated. >> i looked at him as big brother or fatherly figure. he betrayed my trust, took advantage of me. >> reporter: their attorney gloria all read criticized fill essentially a rashad saying people should forget these women. >> felicia, you should be supporting these women. >> reporter: she told abc news. >> that was a misquote. that is not what i said. what i said is this is not about the women. this is about something else. this is about the obliteration of legacy. what can i say to these women whom i don't know? what can i say to things that you are hearing when i'm telling you what i've seen. what i saw was fun, never anything inappropriate. this is the first time i was hearing anything like that and i can't speak to those things and don't want to. >> reporter: cosby has never been charged with a crime. his attorneys in the past responded to previous allegations by saying that they refute them and they did not address the claims of the three new women. i can tell you, jose cosby seemed to have a wonderful time. he told the audience at the end of the show that he had a wonderful time. he moves on now to a bigger city london ontario, where protesters tell us they're organizing a bigger crowd for tonight. >> kate snow thanks for being with me this morning. a disturbance new development we are following out of mexico. authorities in the southern state have discovered more mass graves including ten decapitated bodies as the search continues for 43 college students that disappeared in september. this comes after a mexican president met with president obama at the white house earlier this week. at the same time a group of protesters outside the white house demanding answers about the missing students. joining me from los angeles, julio, good morning. >> thank you for having me. >> what are officials saying about the new mass graves that they uncovered? >> they haven't said much jose. all we know is that ten bodies and 11 heads were found in a mass grave cite black plastic bags. the bodies were in state of decomposition. arms and legs were tied up and they had sign of having been tortured. but they haven't been identified because of the state of decomposition. however, authorities believe the heads, the 11 heads found belong to other bodies that also were found earlier last year in november so the new mass graves shows the deep violence that the state is going through in these moments since september when the 43 students went missing. mass grave after mass grave has been found in that state. >> julio, unfortunately guerrero isn't the only place this occurred. through parts of that country, we have seen over and over again this type of horrible situation. >> that's true jose. in the north of the country, in 2010 many bodies were found in mass graves when they were trying to cross the border. authorities believed there were migrants trying to cross the border, and that happened in ver a cruise at the gulf of mexico. it seems to be a constant in many areas of the country. >> a tragedy in mexico. thank you for being with me. >> thank you, jose. coming up president obama hits the road to tout the housing recovery. his first stop is phoenix. the details, plus a deep dive into radical extremism behind the paris terror attack. what motivates people to commit acts of terror? 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>> well unfortunately, we're still facing some of the same threats that my father and his colleagues faced back at that time. it was what was called the dark decade in algeria, some 200,000 people were killed by armed extremeist extremists. and yet many people like my father and thousands of others continued to speak out, and that's what we have to do today as well. >> but does it take more than speaking out? it just seems as though you know, this french magazine was speaking out, and they were just drawing, yet that cost them their lives. >> well what they needed was more support and i'm glad to see that they're getting some of that now. what we have to do is to support all of those on the front lines, whether in north africa, whether in the middle east whether in pakistan and afghanistan, who are standing up who are offering an alternative vision of islam, who denounce this violence. and often those people don't get news coverage. unfortunately, terrorists like those who did the terrible crime yesterday get headlines, but the people opposing them don't. and that absolutely has to change. >> you know what? it strikes me as terrifying the fact that we are able to say, for example, you just mentioned in algeria, 200,000 people were slaughtered. think about that. the numbers are so huge. there's so much of this world that is really covered in the blood of innocent victims. how do you go beyond that? >> well i think we have to recognize that fundamentalism is a political ideology and we have to challenge that ideology on the political terrain. it's not enough just to condemn the violence. you have to go after the discriminatory and retrograde ideas that underlie that violence. you have to go after the incitement. you have to counter that incitement with another discourse. that's absolutely critical. >> discourse, we really haven't heard enough of any time in the near past. thank you very much for being with me. i so appreciate your time. >> thank you. and before we wrap up today's "rundown," let's head to the white house where the president will be briefed on the latest from france before he continues his three-day state of the union preview tour with a speech in phoenix, arizona. at least three major cities are stepping up some security in response to yesterday's terrorist attacks in paris. nbc's kristen welker is at the white house. good morning, kristen. >> reporter: jose good morning. we know that top officials here at the white house have been in contact with their counterparts in france and state and local officials as they continue to monitor the situation. the secret service department of homeland security department of defense, also being vigilant. it's important to point out that the terror threat level is not being increased in this country because there is no known threat at this point in time against the united states. having saided that as you pointed out, jose we are seeing security beefed up in some major cities across the united states particularly at french consulates. those cities include new york chicago, boston. we would anticipate that that list would continue to get longer throughout the day. meanwhile, president obama who's currently traveling in phoenix, arizona, talking about the economy and housing today, was briefed late last night. he will be briefed again today. he's going to of course speak later on this afternoon. we don't anticipate we're going to hear anything from him about paris, but, of course yesterday he made those very strong remarks, said that the united states was standing shoulder to shoulder with france right now as they endure this tragedy. and the united states offering its full assistance in the investigation. the president will continue to get briefed as he continues on this three-day trip that he's on-jose? >> quickly, very odd the president is previewing the state of the union before right? >> reporter: that's right. he's taking a unique tactic this year. usually he delivers his state of the union address and then hits the road to sell his message. this year he is traveling beforehand and rolling out some of the key themes that he'll be talking about in his state of the union address. and today he's going to be focusing on housing. announcing an executive order in which the fha will be lowering interest rates by 0.5% for some first-time homebuyers. tomorrow he'll be in knoxville, tennessee, and talking about education. jose? >> from the white house, nbc's kiss ten kristen, thank you so much. victor i'm told two hours passed right now. that's it on "the rundown." next up tamron talks with the deputy mayor of paris and a whole lot more. we'll be right back tomorrow. i'll see you then. good job! still running in the morning? yeah. getting your vegetables every day? when i can. 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are. we want a series of middle class tax cuts. >> but dennis it can't pass. and nobody says it can pass. people say it is dead on arrival. isn't it a political maneuver some kind of a trap to simply get republicans in a bad spot as the 2016 election approaches? >> matt the president has run his last campaign. what the president says is any tax reform ought to benefit the middle class. >> nbc senior correspondent kris jansing joins us now. kris obviously the president has been beating a slow drum beat leading up to his state of the union. really trying to go to different states pitching for example, the college plan. now of course we know the buzz around the president's tax proposal. >> reporter: you know this is different than anything we've seen for a state of the union before. you mentioned all of the travel he has done. it used to be secretive. couldn't get information out of the white house in advance, it was tough. now they're laying out all of their major proposals. in addition to that, they have an aggressive social media plan. the most viewed was when he used facebook to announce two free years of community college plan. they're looking at this differently, laying it out there. more than anything i think what has pushed this and very different from what the republicans thought would happen after they won control of the senate and a bigger majority in the house, what's pushing this are better economic numbers that you see, tamron that they think gives them a little impetus for the american people who are feeling better about where they are. the tricky part of it of their plan which the republicans say is dead on arrival, nonstarters to get the wealthiest to pay for it. >> one of the president's guests, a maryland man that spent five years in cuban prison. on the other side house speaker john boehner is one of three republicans who invited cuban dissidents as their guests. >> reporter: that's the other part of the politics of this, right, that the actions, executive actions that the president has taken on immigration and of course on cuba policy and we've seen just over the last couple days this rush of americans who had a new opportunity to go to cuba so the president -- you'll remember tamron when allen gross was released and he held a poignant press conference he had some incredibly positive things to say about the president and his movements toward cuba. by having not just speaker john boehner but other members of congress who are bringing the other side out there, they're making their statement, too, that they're not going away quietly, and in fact they're making their own plans over on the hill for how they're going to move forward, what their strategy is to move forward after the president delivers his state of the union. and then he will be going on the road again to push these programs a little further. >> all right, thank you very much. joining me now, democratic senator ben cardenof maryland senator, thank you for your time today. >> good to be with you, thank you. >> you know the lay of the land, the field the president will be looking at republican controlled congress for the first time here. already, opposition start with the tax proposal. >> well i think the president has been very clear for america, made great progress on the economy. to stay strong we have to help working families that are struggling to pay their bills, whether it is tax code dealing with paid leave, he wants to make it easier for working families that are struggling today. >> let me play what illinois senator had to say regarding redistribution of wealth. you know that's a common talking point for republicans and conservatives throughout the president's two terms. let me play what senator kirk said. >> i would be worried if you redistribute income, you have less of it. what i like to see is a bipartisan plan to back things like joe and i have been working on to make sure that we are much more pulling together as a team to reduce the overall debt. >> of course there with senator joe manchin, discussing a plan that could be bipartisan. do you see any window any lane that would allow for a bipartisan plan regarding tax and without eliminating the president's proposal? >> we clearly have to reach bipartisan agreement. we have to listen to each other across party lines, figure out a strategy to move this country forward. just in response to senator kirk, it is not about redistributing wealth it is about middle income families working families that are struggling in which their wages haven't kept up with productivity gains in the country. i think the president has made that point rather clearly. it is about rewarding working families that are struggling today so they can have the benefits of a growing economy. i think that's what these policies are aimed at. >> you have seen the new nbc nus "the wall street journal" poll shows his overall approval 46%, highest rating in over a year. just talking with people that have been skeptical in the past now believing that perhaps they have more money in their pockets, maybe they will go out and look for some of the things they have been wanting to purchase. you have to look at gas prices whether that's giving some people, many americans confidence. when you drive by a gas station see it is $2 in some cases less than that you know something is going in the right direction. >> it is a visible sign your paycheck will go a little further when you see gas prices go down. absolutely that's a clear signal. and no question 11 million jobs we created in the last 58 months, the president's policy to concentrate on middle income families has i think reflected in poll numbers and in the growth of our economy. now what the president wants to do is make sure work really does pay and that workers get the benefit of their productivity. and that's a little more complicated, little more difficult, but it is clearly where the president is aimed. >> what is also difficult as you know the situation and circumstances we are watching play out in paris and other parts of europe where raids are happening, even today, where extremists are being targeted and arrested. the president likely to address these concerns. he met with david cameron just yesterday. what do you believe he needs to say in the state of the union address while keeping an eye on domestic issues that may be improving with what seems to be a situation in europe that is dissolving into a frightful situation in some parts. >> i think the president will emphasize that u.s. leadership is critically important to keep us safe at home that the world looks to the united states for that leadership and exactly what we are doing with isil we are showing that we will be a full partner in dealing with the growth of extremist groups and that we will provide the support, but as far as ground troops are concerned, it is going to be the responsibility of the region to take care of their own needs, but the united states will help. i think you'll hear that message. through u.s. leadership we are seeing a more stable regime in iraq, a more moderate regime more inclusive. that's the best remedy against the growth of extremist groups. >> thank you very much, senator, for your time. pleasure having you on. see you in the audience tonight. joining me knee a malik henderson. let me start with you, the notion it is a hail mary for the president. we look at what has been accomplished and what has not. the clock is not on his side as the government is supposed to layout he doesn't have another term left. >> the expectation in some ways especially after that mid term campaign, that shellacking that the democrats got, that this would be a lame duck president. he has done something differently. he will go on the offense. tonight in this speech has been on the offense since the november election. and you've seen a correlation with the pulse, his poll numbers are certainly up. one of the things i think he is doing is not only laying out a legacy document in this speech tonight in the way that he laid out sort of a road map for the election in 2014 this is about his own legacies. it is also about hillary clinton, right. i don't think we should forget that in that white house working on this speech is a man named john poe did he say tow who in a few weeks will go to work for hillary clinton on her presumed presidential campaign. >> michael, get the lay of the land for the president already. i don't think it is a surprise to anyone that this tax proposal we discussed now for the past two days in republican eyes dead on arrival. the message may hit the middle class and some sensiblities there, but will it ever become a reality? >> no, it won't, that's not the point. she makes an astute point and i want to pick up on it. i think the thing obama is trying to do here is set the terms of the debate as we head into 2016. presidential campaigns, tamron are the only time we as citizenry have these big conversations about what our national priorities are going to be. we just can't usually get enough people focused in the other three years. we have them during a presidential campaign. if the conversation heading into the 2016 presidential campaign is about wage stagnation how to improve the condition of the middle class that's a conversation that's on paper at least, assuming the economy is still going well into that year that's a conversation that is -- should be a favorable one to clinton and all democrats. >> that's what was said in the mid terms, the conversation over minimum wage some of the other issues facing middle america, and those arguments seem to evaporate in the air, and resulted in democrats losing of course. and you know the score there. i think that this notion of income inequality the massive rallies with people who work at fast food places and just some of the other things we discussed ticking up to the mid term elections, they've been there, so how does the president tee it up for his last two years and eventually help whatever democrat decides to run in the next general election. >> that's a good question. i can tick off what i think are several differences between 2014 and 2016 and the kind of rhetoric the democrats tried to use in 2014 and the kind of rhetoric that might be used in 2016. here to me is the one key thing. democrats talk about inequality they have a habit or reflex of talking about it in terms of fairness, but fairness only really resonates to liberals. what they need to talk about is growth. they need to say that investing in the middle class is not merely fairer it will lead to better economic growth than supply side economics will and growth is an argument where you get voters in the middle and probably even some republicans. >> and i see you nodding your head as well on this. >> you know they have to figure out how to balance populism and aspiration. one of the things you saw was emphasis on minimum wage it didn't work for democrats, although you did see in several states that they passed minimum wage hikes. so in that way, it did kind of work but i do think you see the president shifting language talking about college, broadband, the middle class, trying to tap into a sense of aspirational drive that the middle class has, rather than the minimum wage which to some people, struck some people as not the most aspirational thing to talk about. >> and it is interesting as well you had some people since michael brought up the next election cycle, next presidential race, many of wondering if the president and economy continues to do well if republicans and conservatives shift again to the war on terror that this president has not been effective handling that. one potential presidential candidate really stepped in it yesterday, was giving a speech in london where he referred to these areas, these enclaves where muslims have taken over and outsiders are not able to come in. let me play we have the full screen of what he said here. he says that they carry out as much of sharia law without regard for laws of the democratic countries which provided them a new home. he has been slammed for this. ayman mohyeldin is reporting live from tel aviv. i thought he was excellent this morning. wanted to bring him in on this. are you there? >> reporter: i am tamron. >> so bobby jindal now getting huge push back on no go zones. first of all, explain how this came into the dialogue and conversation. >> reporter: sure. i mean it was somewhat introduced to the leks con in the wake of the paris attacks. there was a lot of discussion about minority communities in france and elsewhere in europe it got a lot of traction and headlines when fox news made a major area having a security expert essentially say in major cities in the united kingdom like birmingham there were areas that were no go areas. what he was explicit about was that these no go areas were parts of the city the state had collapsed, there was no semblance of civil governments, no courts. sharia courts were set up. it painted a grim picture that blew up on the internet with people mocking fox news and mocking the security expert. even the british prime minister weighed in on it called him a complete idiot, saying there's no truth to any such assertion that there are no go areas in united kingdom. that's why it caught much more attention yesterday when the governor once again made the statement that there were no go zone areas, without citing specific parts of either united kingdom or elsewhere in europe he said it that officials told him, gave no specific concrete evidence of it. >> to your point, he is essentially doubling down on this, saying that he believes his words were we spent several days here, had a chance to meet with several elected leaders that he didn't name he claims that's what he is hearing from them. michael, pivoting this back to what we might see facing whatever candidate comes out of the democratic party, if you can't beat at the economy, you try to beat with phantom issues perhaps. >> well maybe. i don't know how many republicans we're going to here echo bobby jindal on this in the next few days. sure would be interesting if some did. i take your general point that most notably the war with the islamic state is a very very tough grind. you know they've gained some territory. now, you know you can easily argue they would have gained far more if we weren't in there doing these bombings but that's a tough topic for hillary clinton or any democratic whoever the democratic nominee is. >> the substance of real conversation. as we know when we talk about war, war on terror any of this notion, it leaps into hyperbole, and if you look at things you can go down the list of things we discussed, it seems to skip rather quickly to notions of no go zones and similar things like that michael. >> it does but i think those arguments like jindal's, i think they're perfectsuasive to fox news audience. >> thank you for joining us. greatly appreciate it. developing now, french officials arrest five people accused of plotting a new terror attack, this as japan refuses to pay $2 million ransom for two hostages held by isis. a live report from richard engel is next. i heard a big boom some pieces of the expressway had collapsed on vehicles. >> the investigation is under way after a bridge suddenly collapses in ohio killing one person. and "american sniper" under fire. filmmaker michael moore sets off a debate saying sniper is coward. what he says about that remark. the debate continues over whether the movie glamorizes war. join the conversation online. find the team at "newsnation," find me on facebook, twitter, and instagram. vo: introducing the starbucks flat white. crafted with two ristretto shots for bolder caramel-ly espresso. whole milk... steamed to a sweet velvety microfoam delicately poured, so the espresso rises to the top. the perfect union of bold and sweet. 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military personnel in afghanistan. interestingly, the government says its source for this information is somebody who has already pleaded guilty to fighting with al qaeda against american troops overseas and that this person has become a confidential informant for the government and that is much of the government's case is built on that person's testimony. >> all right, thank you very much, pete. appreciate you getting us up to date. if there's more information, we'll certainly have you come back if we can. we are following major developments in the past few hours on the war on terror. among them reports of a rebel coup. and al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. richard engel joins us from istanbul with the latest there. richard, what can you tell us regarding what's played out in yemen here? >> reporter: i can tell you, it is still playing out. according to some officials, a coup is under way. it is not clear that the president of yemen will survive the day. houthi rebels who began to clash with government forces houthi rebels have taken over a large part of the capital sanaa, have been olding most of the capital since september began to fight with government forces yesterday. there was a brief truce. today that truce didn't hold and the fighting has been centered in and around the presidential compound. the president believed to be inside his residence, which is within the presidential compound. houthi rebels are said to have taken over parts of the presidential compound and are firing on the residence itself. there are some international mediation efforts under way, but it is unclear what the mediation efforts will lead to. will they lead to the president's departure, will they lead to a negotiated settlement with the rebels and government could work out a solution. at this stage it is very fluid. we may know more in a few hours. we are expecting to hear a speech from the houthi rebel leader when he could outline his intentions. >> okay. richard, also we know developing news, new video from isis claiming it will kill two japanese hostages if $200 million ransom is not paid in the next 72 hours. and the japanese prime minister has responded to this. >> well this is the familiar scenario and familiar pattern and the familiar kind of propaganda that we have seen from isis the same english speaking militant dressed in all black, with hostages in front of him. the same militant that beheaded two american reporters, two british aide workers, so now he has and isis has these two japanese hostages and are demanding exorbitant sum of $200 million for their release. $100 million each. and isis says it came to this figure by adding up the amount of money that japan has dedicated, already spent, is promising to spend to other countries to fight against the islamic state, so in a video that has been posted this chilling video, you see the militants saying instead of spending money to fight against the islamic state, you have to pay the money to release the hostages. and japan has said it will not give in to the terrorists will not bow to their demands, but is saying it will do what it can to secure the release of its hostages. it is not clear how much can be done. >> i have to get you to stick around on one other development. the prosecutors in france announcing something shortly. five chech ands were arrested with explosives. do you have more details to report? >> reporter: not more than what you just read and as you can tell just from the last couple minutes that i have been on air with you how much is going on. we have yemen, linked to paris, the kouachi brothers said that they received training and finance from al qaeda in yemen and right now we see what could be the pro-u.s. u.s. backed government in yemen falling. it is unclear if it has fallen yet, but seems to be facing a life and death struggle as we speak. then we have the new isis video, the video of militants coming out, demanding more money, continuing raids in france continuing to uncover explosives. it is a very troubling time on many fronts. >> absolutely. i know you're busy collecting information. greatly appreciate you giving updates on those three developments just within the last half hour here. thank you, richard. coming up the co-founder of social media site used by billions, called plaks oh, charged with murdering his ex-wife. new husband, the latest on the investigation. and pope francis goes into candid mode again, why he brought up rabbit and reproduction. this as the pope announces more stops in the united states this fall. startup-ny. it's working for new york state. already 55 companies are investing over $98 million dollars and creating over 2100 jobs. from long island to all across upstate new york, more businesses are coming to new york. they are paying no property taxes no corporate taxes no sales taxes. and with over 300 locations, and 3.7 million square feet available, there's a place that's right for your business. see if 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dark knight rises back in aurora back in 2012." he pled not guilty by reason of insanity. prosecutors are seeking the death penalty in this case. and developing out of ohio officials about to hold a news conference on the deadly bridge collapse in cincinnati. the overpass collapsed late last night onto a busy stretch of highway in the downtown area killing a construction worker. it was undergoing demolition at the time. the bridge fell on to a tractor-trailer underneath and the driver suffered only minor injuries. there's no word yet what caused that overpass to collapse. right now, it is called a workplace accident. the cincinnati paper reports the bridge was found to be structurally sound in october of 2011. but considered functionally obsolete. here is the city march just last night. >> our teams are here surveying the situation, conducting necessary investigations. we will work with state department of transportation as this thing unfolds. >> joining me founder of construction law firm and author of too big to fall america's falling infrastructure and the way forward. thank you for joining us. barry, we don't want to jump to conclusions here again it was a demolition under way now, being called anyway a workplace accident. the bridge was 50 plus years old. it does bring up the conversation yet again of infrastructure at a time when the president has his state of the union address and talk about ways to get america back on its feet and get our infrastructure where it should be. >> the tragic nature of any collapse any infrastructure problem, is really an opportunity for us to highlight the perilous state of our nation's infrastructure which after four decades of paying no attention to from a governmental standpoint is now reaching critical state. >> you've talked about the neglect of the construction effort, neglect in rebuilding bridges. when you look at it since 1989 nearly 600 bridges in the united states have collapsed. that's a staggering number to be neglected neglected. >> and we have currently 8,000 bridges in our nation today which by every engineering standard could fall at a moment's notice as we saw in minnesota, on august 1, 2007 and two years ago in washington state with the i-5 bridge. >> if you could give a critical eye, and you have done so when looking at not just this administration but overall how our government views our infrastructure and the failings what would you say? >> there are two statistics that highlight what's going on. over the past ten years alone, we have short falls, decreasing short falls of transportation funding of 3.5% a year. more importantly, we also have a $3.3 trillion need in the next 15 years, according to american society of civil engineers, merely to upgrade, to bring up to standards all our infrastructure. those are amazing numbers. and we are not doing anything reasonable or meaningful to correct that. >> you make the point about depletion of funds, shortfall over the next ten years. this already dire situation, i don't even know what you would describe then if the shortfall continues in the next ten years. >> we are getting very very close to critical state where every driver in the country because of bad roads and bridges pays over $450 for maintenance of cars caused by bad roads and bridges, in states like california it is double that. more importantly what we are seeing is that politicians believe it is enafter ma for us to raise the gas tax, something we haven't done since 1993 and which is going to cost our nation over a00 billion dollars out of funds. these are staggering numbers and can't be ignored much longer. >> thank you very much. this bridge accident in ohio is under investigation, being called workplace accident at this point but always brings attention back to infrastructure and in many cases our bridges in this country. thank you, barry. >> good to be with you, tamron. an update on breaking news out of boston. we are learning one person is under arrest 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(sigh) if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. ok... upcoming state of the union address. here is how "the washington post" previews the prime time speech. quote, the president will enter the house chamber riding a wave of confidence driven by improving economy and brightening public approval ratings, and he seems as defiant as ever. but despite the encouraging economic backdrop tonight the president will face a republican led house and senate the first time in his presidency. this is a brand new nbc news "the wall street journal" poll, shows that only 35% of americans believe divided government works well for the country. joining me live mark murray to dig into some of the other numbers that you've highlighted there, mark. >> yeah tamron the biggest overall story in our brand new nbc "the wall street journal" poll has to do with the economy. the number that sticks out to me, 45% of the american public say they're satisfied with the current economy. that's not a majority but that's the biggest percentage we had in that poll going back to january of 2004, so 11 years. and as one of the polsters put it, that number signifies that america has broken out of the recession mind set. the frame of mind of the american public has now is certainly the one that they had before that recession. >> it is interesting how this we often hear politicians, including up to the white house, say they don't pay attention to polls, don't govern based on polls. we know that's probably not true but with that said what kind of energy do you believe this will add to the president's speech particularly on the economy, when contrast it with some even within his party feel was a failing during mid terms to sell some of the success that was on the horizon that we see in full color now. >> i think you'll see pep in the step from the president. in past state of the union addresses, i went back and read all of the previous ones he has given, he often said something like the state of the union is getting stronger or we have a long way to rebuild. i think this time you'll hear the most declarative statement, that the statement has never been stronger than it has been in his presidency. and i think he is going to take credit for that. the big question tamron, is is this good economic news continuing the trajectory. if it does, it will change the political landscape for 2016. sometimes you have good economic news and something happens that breaks it up. so the months ahead are important. >> thank you. tens of millions of viewers will tune in for tonight's state of the union, typically the biggest audience the president has all year. state of the union viewership has been declining the last few years. 33 million watched president obama's address last year. that's the second lowest number of total viewers since neilson started to track the speeches in 1993. to put it in another perspective. 11 million fewer people than watched the nfl playoff game between the cowboys and green bay packers last week. that may be why the president is turning to social media, like so many others to help get his message out. he will be talking to youtube stars in a series of post speech interviews. presidential historianal and licht man says social media is killing the state of the union, at the same time the white house is doing everything it can to use social media to keep it alive. he joins us now. good to see you. thanks for joining. >> my pleasure. >> why is social media killing the state of the union address? >> well for the obvious reason that in the age of social media, people no longer tune in in vast numbers to big prime time events, unless of course it is football. but that's another matter. people get their news they get their information from other sources. the other reason of course that the state of the union is diminished is that it is boring boring boring. can you tell me one thing president obama has said in any of his state of the union messages. we don't really have the rhetoric you see in inaugural addresses, but the paradox is that the president is now using social media in another way to enhance the state of the union, to kind of have the extended state of the union. you have the first one on television then the next one on youtube and facebook and a whole bunch of social media outlets that all dinosaurs like me have never heard of. >> to your point about enhancing the state of the union address, that's exactly what the white house tweeted out this morning. their tweet what we're enhancing the enhanced state of the union. watch tonight at 9:00 p.m., at whitehouse.gov #stateoftheunion. we tapped into social media to get people engaged in real time to give thoughts on the state of the union. i would think any opportunity to have nontroll dialogue when you're able to get that is a valuable way to your point when sometimes there is a glaze over the state of the union address no matter who is delivering it. >> that's right. and this state of the union address is particularly important because what it really is is the opening to the presidential election of 2016. as you said obama is riding higher than two months ago. in fact he wishes the election was today rather than november. he is not going to get that. what he can hope to get is a good start for elections of 2016. and to do that he has to model fdr and ronald reagan and speak directly to the american people. forget about the republicans in congress whose approval rating is lower than a'til a the hunn anyway. >> for example, the president already talking about college and making it affordable for those that want to go for two years. when you look at the young demographics of social media, something like that would give it legs and provide more conversation even after the speech just on social media or any platform from twitter to facebook. >> you couldn't be more right, he is speaking to young people who are the future after all. remember, they need that young person's turnout in 2016. they didn't get it in 2014. and so they're using every possible outlet to reach folks like my 22-year-old son. >> allan, thank you for joining us. always a pleasure to talk with you. >> same here tamron. >> stay with msnbc for special coverage of the state of the union address, hosted by rachel maddow and chris matthews. it all starts at 8:00 p.m. eastern time. coming up the u.s. is preparing for pope francis, after he announced the three cities he'll travel to this fall. we have the lineup for you. plus people are talking about comments the pope made on reproduction. and rabbit. we will tell you exactly what he said. and the story behind this photo of tiger woods missing a tooth. it is one of the stories we are following around the "newsnation." ♪searching with devotion♪ ♪for a snack that isn't lame♪ ♪but this...♪ ♪takes my breath away♪ we are back with an update on breaking news we've been following 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trump did not expect to release his returns before november. so in a tweet late today, trump responded, opening the door to releasing his returns earlier. hillary clinton seizing on the issue, late today. >> and what about his taxes? my husband and i have released 33 years of tax returns. we've got eight years on our website right now. so you've got to ask yourself, why doesn't he want to release them? >> jim acosta is "outfront" tonight. and jim, donald trump is under a lot of pressure on this issue this evening. >> reporter: absolutely, erin. ahead of his big meeting tomorrow with house speaker paul ryan, trump is trying to set the record straight, insisting they will be released but the last gop, mitt romney is not buying it and demanding trump release his returns, saying a failure to do so would be disqualifying. donald trump just gave gop lawmakers a new reason to worry. defying campaign tradition in saying he will refuse to release his tax returns before the november election, citing an ongoing audit. telling the associated press, there is nothing to learn from them. it's a shift from his earlier comments, when he seemed to leave the door open to making his tax information public. >> i will absolutely give my returns. of but i'm being audited now for two or three years. so i can't do it until the audit is finished. obviously. >> reporter: but last week, trump started to dig in his heels, suggesting the irs could be out to get him. >> i say to friend of mine, how often are you audited? very wealthy people. >> do you think it's political? they're aiming at you? >> i would say yeah. >> reporter: the irs is doing this? >> i don't know. >> reporter: trump has deflected the issue for years. consider how he answered the question in 2011 when he was considering a white house run then. >> maybe i'm going to do the tax returns when obama does his birth certificate. >> but trump is tweeting there is no controversy, saying, "i told ap that my taxes are under routine audit and i would release when audit is complete. not after election." if he did wait until after november, trump would become the first presidential candidate to fail to release his returns since 1976. even richard nixon released his taxes while he was under audit. mitt romney, who faced pressure to make his tax information public four years ago, is demanding that trump release his returns. saying in a post, "tear down that tax wall." an echo of his call to the likely gop nominee back in march. >> i predict there are more bombshells in his tax returns. >> reporter: democrats are pouncing with a progressive super pac launching the website, "trump release your returns.com." hillary clinton has latched on to the issue with a preview of what she has in store for trump. >> my husband and i have released 33 years of tax returns. we've got eight years on our website right now. so you've got to ask yourself, why doesn't he want to release them? yeah, well, we're going to find out. >> now, as mitt romney noted on his facebook page, an audit does not preclude trump from releasing his returns, but one trump aide told me, the campaign is not concerned, noting the real estate tycoon's business dealings are known, good and bad. but this comes one day before the meeting with house speaker paul ryan. as one capitol hill source told me earlier today, members are all over the place right now on whether to back trump. >> all right. jim acosta, thank you very much. and it is such a crucial question. ahead of that meeting. one reason trump's tax returns are such a big deal, they would give voters some insight, possibly, into how much trump is actually worth. you don't get that in one year, but over time you can. phil mattingly is "outfront" from a major conference in las vegas, where a lot of incredibly wealthy people, potential don s donors, backers, big republicans are. trump has been a big topic of conversation. and phil, there, people are also discussing trump's bank account. >> reporter: yeah, that's right, erin. probably one of the premier hedge fund conferences in the entire world. no shortage of skepticism. maybe a few chuckles when you asked attendees how much do you think donald trump is worth. and not among people uncomfortable with his candidacy. supporters, as well. take a listen to one of his most recent t. boone pickens, who i spoke to a while ago. >> he is successful. but not as big as donald sees himself. i think the guy is going to be president. >> reporter: and erin, one of the interesting things with boone pickens, he said one of the reasons he's backing donald trump, not necessarily because of his business acumen but the temporary ban on muslims entering the united states. that's not necessarily a universally appealing policy here at the conference, but more republicans than democrats. and the group of people not unlike jim was talking about at capitol hill, just trying to get their head around what has happened over the last couple weeks. if anything, they expect to support donald trump. but massive endorsements, questions about his business practices, all of those things still very real here, still very much a part of the conversation. conference, with some of the is more successful business people in the country, donald trump, the overarching theme of just about every conversation you're hearing. >> i am sure. phil mattingly, thank you very much. very significant when phil talked to t. boone pickens, one of the most successful in the country. his quote that he doesn't think donald trump is as big as donald sees himself when it comes to his finances. "outfront" tonight, vice president of the trump organization, special counsel to dump, michael cohen and editor of the weekly standard. to anyone who is following this campaign, they know where you stand. michael, mitt romney tonight tweeting, mr. trump, tear down that wall. t. boone pickens, i'm going to support him but he's not as big as he sees himself when he talks about his finances. why doesn't donald trump just release the returns? >> mr. trump made it crystal clear he is right now under an ordinary audit and he's been advised by counsel, and i'm thankful, being counsel, though not his tax counsel, that he takes advice. and he will not release it until the audit is concluded. plain and simple. >> so bill crystal, i did speak to a former special counsel for department of justice tax division. he did say, by the way, he would give the same advice donald trump's lawyers are giving, he would advise not to release under audit. and as you know, there is no law that precludes him from releasing, so he's running for president, would be the first since 1976 not to release. so why not? >> well, he should release, obviously. and he can release the older returns, if he doesn't want to release the last two or three years. but he's not released any tax returns. i don't believe he's going to. because i don't know what's in them. i don't think it's about how much he's worth. that's a silly parlor game among billionaires. but mitt romney released his 2010 return in january of 2012. and then he waited until the 2011 return was completed and released that in september. i don't -- the delegates who ran as trump delegates or other delegates all thought they were going to have a look at these returns to make sure there wasn't going to be some nasty explosion in the fall. and now they're not going to know when they vote for him in july. i think that's a real problem. >> and michael, why can't he be more direct? now he's opening the door he might release, if the audit is finished. >> if the audit is done, mr. trump said he will -- >> these audits, though, last three years. they can last up to ten, if the irs gets extensions. so that seals a little bit disingenuous. that doesn't sound like he's planning to release before the election. >> you know, what's interesting, when bill broad up about mitt romney, you know, great. so mitt romney goes out on his twitter. that the last go-round. done - but instead he decides he wants to be relevant now. instead of actually backing the guy who backed him, so kind of tells you a little bit about mitt romney. but going back to these taxes, what doesn't make any sense is there's no constitutional requirement at all within which to turn around and tory lease your tax returns. this started back in the -- you know, 45 some odd years ago, 50 years ago. if it there is one thing mr. trump has shown, he's not going to play the establishment rules. he's going to play it the way he wants to. and no tax attorney worth anything who is not looking for a malpractice action is going to ever turn around and tell their client to release their tax returns, bill, when they have an audit pending. no matter what you say or the liberal media. >> bill, why do you think he's not -- >> he can release -- i don't know. why don't you ask donald trump? he won't say why he's not doing it. their audits were completed on previous returns. he could release those. this is all ridiculous. i mean, he knew -- look, i totally agree. donald trump has every right not to release his tax returns. other people have every right. mitt romney has a right -- >> mitt romney got forced to do it. in all fairness. >> that's not true. mitt romney released his 2000 -- i'm sorry -- >> harry reid put pressure on him. >> i'm sorry, that's not true. mitt romney -- michael, michael. if you would just -- if you would stop being -- if you -- i'm sorry. this is a fact. it's called a fact, michael. maybe you're aware of those things. mitt romney released his 2000 return in january of 2012. if you don't want to say he didn't -- say it. but i believe that's the case. that's what mitt romney says in his facebook post. and unlike -- >> oh, my god, he said it on his facebook post. >> mitt romney is an honest man. he's a man of character. >> you're under a lot of pressure. i recall leading this program many nights saying where are the tax returns. >> there was never an issue that the republican nominee or the nominee of either party wouldn't release. donald trump is free not to do it and other people are free to say, gee, that's one of many, many, many worrisome things about donald trump. >> and michael, to bill's point, what about -- hillary clinton and bill clinton have released they say 33 years of tax rush returns. on a simple level, okay, let's say we give you -- you don't have to release the ones under audit. is he being audited for the past 20 years? he could release tax returns. >> yeah, but he at this point in time, as he said, while he's under audit, he is not going to do it. i don't know why the liberal media -- >> even if the years for which he is not under audit. >> there is no reason for him to do it. absolutely no reason. >> except for every nominee -- >> there's no constitutional requirement to release it. all right? the bottom line is, you're not going to find out a guy's net worth. you're not going to see his charitiesable givings. it's a basic income versus expenses. that's what your tax return talks about. and all the liberal media wants out of this is something so they can have more things to talk about so they can bring on guys like bill to sit there and to sort of, you know, comment about, you know, mr. trump. let me tell you, millions of people -- >> i'm not -- michael, i'm not for trump -- >> we know you're not for trump. >> i don't care. >> i thought when you said -- hold on one second. i just want to interrupt. his story on why -- >> wait, erin. this tax return issue does absolutely nothing to help to put food on the table of the americans that are left alone. >> okay. but his story on it -- his story on it, michael -- >> are you saying donald trump is not rich? >> all i'm saying -- now he's saying it's because of an audit. before he's given different reasons and let me play them for you. >> i have no objection to certainly showing tax returns. getting any closer to releasing your tax returns? >> i'm thinking about it. i'm thinking about maybe when we find out the true story on hillary's e-mail. >> i can't do it until the audit is finished. obviously. >> he has no problem. it's hillary's e-mails. the audit. what is the real reason? i think the question people have -- >> right. so i'm going to say it to your audience. look into the camera for you. donald trump is not going to release his tax returns because his counsel has advised him that he should not release it. something that even as you said his gentleman -- the gentleman's name was, bob cove achef who you acknowledge is an expert. says i would not ever advise -- >> michael -- >> my client to release tax returns while under audit. >> counsel often advised people to take the fifth amendment. counsel advise people to do lots of things. that doesn't mean that's a good position to be in if you're running for president of the united states. >> all right. we'll leave it there. thank you both very much. look forward to our viewers' opinions on this conversation. of course, going to have many more times here as this does not get resolved. 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"outfront" now, donald trump supporter, caylee mcenemy, and doug high and cnn politics, mark preston good to have you all. doug, is it final for paul prooin to get on board and endorse trump? they're saying, okay, you can have disagreements. but ultimately, you guys have got to get in bed together. >> sure. it's about disagreeing or that issue. for paul ryan, it's necessarily which position he takes on the minimum wage or on tax returns or whatever. it's more attitudinal. and what we have seen so often from trump, things that give members pause. and that's why he wants to sit down, have a meeting. i don't think there will be a lot of fireworks, news out of the meeting. >> is this is about looking in the eye, about character. >> it's about character -- >> emotion, personal. >> how do we make amends from a divisive primary. get conservatives back in the tent. trump isn't necessarily the biggest conservative we have seen. how do we get ted cruz back in this process? i think paul ryan is someone who can work to bring folks together. >> so caylee should donald trump then negotiate, be humble? apologize? >> i think he has signaled he wants unity, that's his intent, goal going into it. i think that's going to happen coming out of it. and i think paul ryan will come to the center as well and do what mitch mcdonnell has done and dick cheney and embrace donald trump. because there are a lot of people, voters, a lot of congressmen on the hill who care far more about beating hillary clinton and stopping donald trump. there are a lot of these members who think that four more years of obama is an unacceptable alternative and embracing trump is the only way to stop that. >> for a lot of republicans, trump is an anathema to them no. about a policy here or there, it is a deep-seated sense of who they are. you know, donald trump and paul ryan may not see eye-to-eye on a lot of issues. and paul ryan says it doesn't matter at all. here's how he puts it. >> this is a big tent party. there is plenty of room for different policy disputes in this party. we come from different wings of the party. the goal here is to unify the various wings of the party around common principles so we can go forward unified. >> they don't even agree on the most basic things, right? trump's tax plan, $10 trillion. paul ryan wants to cut debt, change social security. donald trump says he won't touch it. really, how does paul ryan endorse him with a straight face? >> let's look at the situation we're in right now. does this work for both of them? donald trump, this works for him because he's able to say i'm fighting the establishment. let me tell you, the trump guys are okay with going into this meeting and not having that endorsement right away. this play its into your hand. so for paul ryan who took the speakership on his own terms to go out and draw a line in the sand and say i'm the speaker of the house. remember, i'm third in line for the presidency. remember, i run a coequal branch of government. this is how i'm going to do it. that helps paul ryan establish himself and it also helps republicans who have concern about donald trump have the safe haven to go into. they're both winners and guess what, he's going to back him in the end. he will be with donald trump. >> do you think he will back him in the end, though? >> at the end, i hope that's where he gets. but i think paul ryan did something smart. >> because you're the one who said on this show, your words, donald trump was like an abortion to the republican party. >> yeah, i think that's what the party will do. >> but you're saying you hope paul ryan -- >> i hope paul ryan does what he thinks is the best interest of the party. i think what paul ryan did over the past couple weeks was very smart what he said if donald trump wants me to step aside as convention chair, i'll step aside that removes an important leverage trump had. he removed one of the consequences. and if you talk to senators and you talk to members of congress, they're concerned not about nafta or the wall or this or that. they're concerned with what we see every week coming out of trump or his campaign this week in the hill. a headline that said trump nominates white nationalist to be a delegate. we see these things all of the time. it's not about a particular issue. that's why people have fears and concerns about trump as a nominee. >> i don't think those fears are real. i look at someone like john mccain, who is completely opposite of donald trump. i'd logically, he was the subject of one of the disputes that trump had in the very beginning. but john mccain, to his credit, came and said, we would be foolish as a party to not listen to the voters. they sent a clear message. and every exit poll and every election, it showed that voters felt betrayed by the party. so why don't people do what john mccain does and see it would be foolish not to listen to the people. >> i think because they see john mccain getting attacked. and kelly ayotte being attacked on the air waves. just for saying not they support trump but support the nominee. luke warm statements like that hurt republicans. >> final word to you in this context. do you really think paul ryan is going to come out with a full-throated endorsement of donald trump? >> it depends what you think is a full-throated endorsement. here's the deal. donald trump is going to be at the top of the ticket. if republicans don't get behind donald trump, he will drag down the ballot races from the senate and house. they need to be united. they don't all have to be kum ba yah, because they have to be united. money has to go towards the party in order for republicans to win the white house. >> thanks to all. good to see you. next, donald trump hammering china. just about as often as he slams hillary clinton and some others. so why does he have so many admirers in the country? we have a report you just don't want to miss. tonight on our show. and bernie sanders, after winning his 19th state says he is still in it to win it. >> we have an uphill climb ahead of us. but we are used to fighting uphill climbs. allergies distracting you? when your symptoms start... doctors recommend taking ...non-drowsy claritin every day of your allergy season. claritin provides powerful, non-drowsy 24 hour relief... for fewer interruptions from the amazing things you do every day. live claritin clear. something we'll show you. through small things, big things, and spur of the moment things. ♪usic: "sex machine" by james brown big things, ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ (bear growls) (burke) smash and grub. seen it. covered it. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ i've been blind since birth. i go through periods where it's hard to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. learn about non-24 by calling 844-844-2424. or visit my24info.com. tonight, bernie sanders in it to win it. coming off another win, beating hillary clinton by double digits in west virginia. the 19th state sanders has won so far. clinton is still ahead with delegates. but if sanders wins 67% of the remaining delegates at stake, he will push past clinton in pledged delegates before the convention. those delegates, of course, are the ones determined by voters. sanders says if that happens, those crucial superdelegates now backing hillary clinton. but have a choice. will then turn to him to back the voters' popular will. tom foreman is "outfront." >> reporter: hillary clinton clearly wants to steer toward the middle ground where general elections are won. but bernie sanders keeps yanking her left. >> this is the future of america, the future of the democratic party. >> reporter: the democratic social evident from vermont has won 19 states to clinton's 23, and he trails in delegates. >> show me what democracy looks like! >> reporter: but liberals love him, prompting donald trump to tweet, i don't want to hit crazy bernie sanders too hard yet, because i love watching what he is doing to crooked hillary. >> so how is she counter punching? sanders wants a nationwide increase of the minimum wage to $15 an hour. >> i favor a $12 an hour -- >> reporter: last year, she was talking about $12 and encouraging local governments to maybe make it more. but now listen. >> i have supported the fight for $15. i am proud to have the endorsement the of most of the unions that have led the fight for $15. >> sanders has sharply criticized many trade deals that clinton has supported, including the transpacific partnership. now she is dead set against the tpp. >> and in looking at it, it didn't meet my standards. >> reporter: sanders raged against the keystone xl pipeline as a potential environmental disaster. clinton stayed mum on it until the campaign heated up and then turned it down. and while clinton has repeatedly said refining the affordable care act is the best plan for health care, sanders has pushed for a government-backed single payer system. and just this week, she took a step his way. >> i also am in favor of what's called the public option so people can buy into you know, medicare, above a certain age. >> reporter: exit polls show sanders has significantly outperformed her in winning over white men and young people. suggesting in addition to her policies, she may need to adjust her approach to some voters. like it or not, all of this may just be smart politics. a study by pugh this year found that in the democratic party, people who call themselves moderates or conservatives for the past 15 years have been in retreat, and democrats who self identify themselves as liberals now are the dominant faction in the party. erin? >> tom, thank you very much. and "outfront" now, sanders supporter sally cohen, hillary clinton supporter maria car doano, also a superdelegate and mark preston with me. maria, reince priebus tweeted last night, it is nothing short of embarrassing hillary clinton has been defeated 20 times by a socialist from vermont. reince error, it's only 19 times. maria, 19 times is a lot of times. >> you know what, reince has got to distract from the complete debacle going on in his party. i actually feel bad for him. and by the way, reince, be careful what he wishes for. that 74-year-old democratic socialist from vermont is actually cleaning trump's clock on a lot of the polls we're seeing. now, going back to bernie's win and he should be congratulated. i have said always i think it's great for the democratic party, great for our debate and it's going to make the democratic nominee stronger. i happen to believe that person will still be hillary clinton. >> 16 double digits wins over secretary clinton. and yet everyone talks about her as the de facto nominee. >> because they're looking at the numbers. the numbers that matter. the pledge delegates. she is ahead by 300. three times more than what barack obama was ahead of her in 2008. she's also ahead by 3 million votes. so at the end of the day, it's -- that is what matters. >> sally, donald trump weighed in earlier today and i wanted to play it for you. >> please do. >> i just see he wins, wins, wins and then everybody sits around the stable of table saying he can't win. >> did i just find, sally cohen, something upon which you and donald trump agree? >> oh, believe it or not, we can find a couple things like trade deals, we both like taco bowls. i don't know. so listen -- here's the thing. first of all -- and i don't mean to like a broken record. bernie sanders has won. not -- >> but he's saying if he wins 67% of the pledge delegates, he will go into the convention with more pledged delegates than hillary clinton. >> right -- i want to say, first of all, he has won in moving the debate and shifting the debate and we see this on health care and that is right. and she is more in line not only with the democratic base but the majority of the country and where they want to move. so that's trade deals, number one. number two, the fact we're having this conversation. i recall a few months ago when we would talk about the delegate count on the democratic side, talk about the total and wouldn't make the distinction between pledge and superdelegate. and now everyone in the media is careful to say, look, she's ahead by this many and that is important. and i think that whatever happens in this election, he is going to change the way the democratic party thinks about these superdelegates who really should be called stupor gats. >> i want to ask about that. >> clinton machine. you know. >> this whole question about hillary clinton, this kind of de facto suassumption she's the nominee. a third of democrats in west virginia say they would support donald trump in november if bernie sanders is not the nominee. a protest vote. and key swing states show that bernie sanders does better against donald trump than hillary clinton does. >> does better in these swing states where they don't have a diverse coalition that has done very well, certainly for hillary clinton in the south. we have 11 more contest left. bernie sanders has a very good chance of winning 5 of the 11 and i'm not counting california, okay? that is not going to change the delegate count. bernie sanders has no shot at get 67% of the delegates. that is not going to happen. but what he does have a shot at is continuing to help control the agenda over the next couple months. >> maria, bernie sanders is saying it's an outside shot, is the way he describes it. mark saying he doesn't think it can happen. but if he does really well, as he says in new jersey, in california, he gets there. he walks into the convention with one more pledge delegate than hillary clinton. what to you do? you've been open about your support for hillary clinton. you are a superdelegate. do you say the will of the people is bernie sanders, i switch? >> i think a lot of the super gats will have to take a look at that. because let's letter, for all the criticism superdelegates have gotten, they have never overturned the will of the people. if he walks in there with one more pledge delegate than hillary clinton, then i do think the superdelegates are going to have to take another look at that. but right now, it's highly ichl probable that is going to happen. >> one final thing. vice president joe biden today not doing any favors for hillary clinton. here he is, mark. >> look, i -- i had planned on running. it's an awful thing to say. i think i would have been the best president. >> here's the deal. i want to remove politics from this at all. i've known joe biden for a long time as have many of us. he is one of the nicest guys in politics. he has gone through a horrific -- incidents in his life. and you know what? if he wants to say that he was going to be the best president, i think we just step back and let him say he deserves that. and here's the thing about joe biden. this is not the -- joe biden still has many years left. he could still serve in an administration. he could serve in a trump administration as an end boy on foreign policy matters. >> there you go. you gave donald trump an idea. that would be fascinating. >> he'll continue to be an important voice in the democratic party. or the country. >> thank you all very much. and "outfront" next, donald trump on the attack. >> china has absolutely -- it's been one of the great thefts of all-time what they have done to the united states. >> but we found that does not stop some chinese from living him. our special report from trump tower and beijing, next. you do not want to miss this one. and breaking news, the focus of the investigation into the death of prince. now shifting to a doctor who treated the singer in his final days. dr. sanjay gupta, "outfront." l, unless you have allergies. flonase is the first and only nasal spray approved to relieve both itchy, watery eyes and congestion. no other nasal allergy spray can say that. go ahead, embrace those beautiful moments. flonase changes everything. i use what's already inside me to reach my goals. so i liked when my doctor told me i may reach my blood sugar and a1c goals by activating what's within me. with once-weekly trulicity. trulicity is not insulin. it helps activate my body to do what it's supposed to do release its own insulin. trulicity responds when my blood sugar rises. i take it once a week, and it works 24/7. it comes in an easy-to-use pen and i may even lose a little weight. trulicity is a once-weekly injectable prescription medicine to improve blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes. it should be used along with diet and exercise. trulicity is not recommended as the first medicine to treat diabetes and should not be used by people with severe stomach or intestinal problems, or people with type i diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis. trulicity is not insulin and has not been studied with long-acting insulin. do not take trulicity if you or anyone in your family has had medullary thyroid cancer or multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2 or if you are allergic to trulicity or its ingredients. stop using trulicity and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of an allergic reaction, such as itching, rash, or difficulty breathing; if you have signs of pancreatitis such as severe stomach pain that will not go away and may move to your back, with or without vomiting; or if you have symptoms of thyroid cancer, which may include a lump or swelling in your neck, hoarseness, trouble swallowing, or shortness of breath. medicines like trulicity may cause stomach problems, which could be severe. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and any medicines you take. taking trulicity with a sulfonylurea or insulin may increase your risk for low blood sugar. common side effects include nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, decreased appetite, and indigestion. some side effects can lead to dehydration, which may cause kidney failure. with trulicity, i click to activate what's within me. if you want help improving your a1c and blood sugar numbers with a non-insulin option, ask your doctor about once-weekly trulicity. and click to activate your within. donald trump, as you know, constantly slams china on the campaign trail. >> what's going on with china is unbelievable. china has taken other jobs, our money, our base, you are our manufacturing. >> china has been one of the great thefts and what they have done to the united states. >> so why does trump have such loyal chinese fans? matt rivers is "outfront." >> we can't continue to allow china to rape our country. and that's what they're doing. it's the greatest theft in the history of the world. >> tough talk about trade from the republican presumptive nominee against one of his top targets. yet here in china, there is respect and even admiration for donald trump. >> i think donald trump has the guts to say everything that normal people in the rest of society feared to say. >> reporter: he is a young chinese tech entrepreneur, part of a vocal group of chinese fans of the billionaire businessman. one social media user on china's twitter equivalent says hillary clinton just makes empty promises while trump is the king of doing what he says. another calls him sharp and pragmatic. one person even said they would vote for him because he is so handsome. ♪ a guys chinese audiences got to know from his days on "celebrity apprentice" a hit in china. >> you're fired. >> reporter: "the art of the deal" is found in bookstores across beijing. his success is no doubt part of his appeal as a politician. some chinese see a rich billionaire and want to be just like him. like the owner of trump consulting, a chinese real estate firm named after the candidate himself. the irony? the owner tells cnn, donald trump is a political clown. but i wouldn't change my company name for that. he's a real estate tycoon, after all. his feelings shared by the media here. in march, "the global times" called trump a rich narcissist and a clown for statements like this. >> negotiating with china, when these people walk in the room, they don't say, oh, hello, how is the weather. so beautiful outside. they say, we want deal! >> reporter: even with all of the bluster, trump tower is still a popular destination for tourists from mainland china and taiwan, visiting new york city. >> he's -- >> everybody like trump. yeah, so i come to see. i wish that trump would win. >> reporter: still, not everyone is a fan. >> if he becomes the president, i -- have a little bit of scare. >> reporter: the chinese, just like many americans, with no shortage of opinions on donald trump. >> amazing. i know we talked to a few more tourists. most all of them huge fans of donald trump. and matt, i know in beijing where you are, donald trump's daughter, ivanka, also has a lot of fans. >> reporter: that's right. her jewelry line has actually been sold here in beijing at a mal just a few blocks away from our bureau here. and her chinese social media account just under 17,000 followers. so when it comes to name recognition in china, erin, for the trumps, it is a family affair. >> incredible. and the books there in every bookstore. thank you very much. 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>> reporter: from what we have been able to find out, dr. schulenberg is a family medicine doctor, does not have history of criminal complaints, there's no disciplinary record on him. what we have learned thanks to a search warrant executed at his office, the clinic he used to work at, his last day was tuesday, the search warrant details how he did have two visits with prince in the weeks leading up to his death. he saw him twice. he conducted tests. he was here at paisley park the day that prince was found unresponsive in the elevator. the reason why is he was dropping off test results. what investigators are trying to figure out is exactly how these opioid prescription pills made their way to paisley park. there were pills found on the property after prince died, they don't have a valid prescription yet. they're looking into the possibility of a relationship between this doctor, prince, prince's inner circle, trying to figure out, erin, how the pills came into prince's possession. >> whether others were perhaps getting prescriptions in their name, procuring drugs for prince. what are you learning about prince's possible addiction to painkillers, which of course seems like is likely the case? >> reporter: the d.a. executed some search warrants on the property. they want to figure out how long, where, when, what pharmacies, what doctors. and you're right, erin, right now it doesn't appear this was doctor shopping, but it may have been others getting for him. >> thank you very much. dr. sanjay gupta is outfront with me now. this is the breaking news, they're looking at the doctor, prince's inner circle because they didn't have a valid prescription to get opioids. is it possible others were getting it for him? >> it is called diversion. it happens. there are different ways it happens. you mention doctor shopping. pharmacies can't always keep up with where you get pain pills from. the other thing is that somebody else gets the pain pills and you take them from that person. this is not surprising that the d.a. found this doctor. they're going to try to match the prescriptions to either prince or other people around him. i think what will be interesting is to figure out was he getting these from this inner circle. >> right. >> was there a pattern of enabling happening. because that's frightening. >> what else is terrifying, when you look at this. a week, few days before prince was on a plane that had to do an emergency landing, there were reports that was to give him a shot because of overdose. 95% are able to get another prescription often from the same doctor. >> it is a horrifying, shameful statistic. no two ways about it, erin. i saw that. as much as we think we are trying to go in the right direction, what we are talking about is the number one cause of preventable death, accidental overdoses from opioids. then to learn after someone survives an overdose, there's no mechanism in place to prevent that person getting more pills from the same doctor, it is crazy. it doesn't mean we are going the right direction, we are turning a blind eye to what's in front of us. >> 5% of americans, 75% of opened users. >> we don't have 75% of the world's pain, yet we take that much, and we are paying the price dearly. >> sanjay is hosting a town hall, prescription addiction, made in the usa. the number one cause of preventable death. up next, jeanne moos, on why hillary clinton is being called the et candidate. our vitamins contain no gluten, dairy or artificial flavors. so we invented a word that means that. shmorange. and it rhymes with the color of our bottle. hey, baby, make it your first word! sfx: baby speak not even close. reach for the orange, it's 100% shmorange! i'vand i'm doing just fine. allergies. claritin provides 24-hour relief of symptoms that can be triggered by over 200 allergens. yeah, over 200 allergens! with claritin my allergies don't come between me and victory. live claritin clear. i'm terhe is.at golf. but i'd like to keep being terrible at golf for as long as i can. new patented ensure enlive has hmb plus 20 grams of protein to help rebuild muscle. for the strength and energy to do what you love. new ensure enlive. always be you. if there's life beyond planet earth, hillary clinton wants you to know about it. here is jeanne moos. >> reporter: since the 2016 campaign has seemed a little alien, you might as well discuss the ufo vote because ufos and secretive air force base area 51 keep coming up. for instance, wednesday. >> i have to admit i don't have a tab for area 51 today. >> reporter: and hillary clinton has been answering ufo questions. >> there are enough stories out there that i don't think everybody is in the kitchen making them up. >> reporter: she's sounding like an expert. >> there's a new name, unexplained aerial phenomenon. uap. >> reporter: it is unidentified aerial phenomenon. putting some distense between ufo. hillary said she would try to open government files. i think we may have been visited already, we don't know for sure. for many believers worldwide. who is the best candidate from your point of view? >> hillary is definitely. no question. it's nice they're making the subject respectable, but i also know that presidents don't always gain access to stuff they're interested in. >> reporter: many moons ago, weekly world news mocked hillary with alien baby cover, current campaign chairman john poe did he say at that is a proponent of opening government files. >> the american people can handle the truth. >> reporter: some self described et hunters oppose hillary. >> my candidate is donald trump because he is not a politician. >> reporter: ufo obviously gists that prefer hillary worry. >> waiting for trump to say hillary is some kind of nut, she believes in flying saucers. >> reporter: maybe aliens are looking for signs of intelligent life on the campaign trail. jeanne moos, cnn. >> do you believe? >> i don't know. >> reporter: new york. >> a lot of voters might warm up to that. the professor thinks maybe they'll think she's crazy. a lot of people think we have been visited before than you might think. thanks as always for joining us. have a great night. ac 360 begins right now. frds. good evening. thanks for joining us. a special night, a 360 town hall, a problem that is largely hidden from view. addiction to opioids, tens of thousands of deadly overdoses that follow every year, going to meet families with lost loved ones, recovering addicts, including doctors with a duty to relieve pain and yet also preserve life. prescription addiction, made in the usa. that's the topic of the next hour. we begin with donald trump, the possibility we may not see his taxes until after election day, if ever. he is building a giant, beautiful wall between america and his tax returns. it touched off political uproar, late day push back from trump. and we should mention h
nomination but she first has to put away bernie sanders. the two are neck-and-neck in california before tomorrow's primary. clinton is the 26 delegates to become the first woman ever to clinch her party's nomination. from the sound of it she is ready to have the democratic stage all to herself. for the first time, clinton suggested sanders should bow out of the race after tomorrow's contest and get behind her, listen. >> after tuesday, i will do everything i can to reach out to try to unify the democratic party. i expect senator sanders to do the same. we will come together and be prepared to go to the convention in a unified way to make our case, to leave the convention, to go into the general election to defeat donald trump. sandra: but sanders doesn't appear to be going anywhere. at a news conference this weekend he promised the democratic convention will be a contested one. >> at the end of the nominating process no candidate will have enough pledged delegates to call the campaign a victory. they will be dependent upon superdelegates. in other words, the democratic national commit convention will be a contested convention. sandra: meantime "the new york times" reporting that president obama could endorse hillary clinton as early as this week. all right, congressman chaffetz, hillary is suggesting that bernie, it is time to go but doesn't look like he is going anywhere. is that fair? >> i don't think she will just snap her fingers and call it good and just move on and expect all those bernie sanders people will just line up behind her. they're not feeling the bern for hillary the way they feel the bern for bernie sanders. sandra: what is going on that side of the race? clearly the math says hillary clinton is on the way to being the nominee? >> if you listen to bernie sanders as long as she gets all the superdelegates, if you think about the process, the idea that are superdelegates that don't get elected and go through the process, a lot depends on tomorrow. i think california is really jump ball as, think about it. she is going into this and it is still a jump ball and still might lose tomorrow in california she thinks they're all united. sandra: kennedy let's deal with that possibility, that she may lose. bernie sanders wins. what happens to the race. >> regardless of how it falls they're so close right now. one poll has him up by percentage point. real clear politics have them separated by two percentage points with her on top. california is place who their nominee is. they never have a voice in the process. finally they do. i think you will find a lot of bernie sanders supporters giving a bit of a grudge vote and you know, what he is saying is, he is absolutely right because when we report number of delegates she has and needs to clinch the nomination, people often times include the superdelegate number. they're unpledged for a reason. they're not counted until you get to the convention in philadelphia. therefore, you know he has got reason enough. and perceptually if he wins this is a huge victory for him tomorrow. sandra: so what does his continued presence do to hillary clinton's campaign. >> you know it is unclear because obviously she won california herself eight years ago. she beat barack obama really soundly in california in 2008 but we forget before we get to the california the polls close in the great garden state of new jersey, my home state, where harris lives now and she will clinch it before the polls close because new jersey closes at 8:00 eastern time. the question for bernie sanders. he does not have the pledged delegates to two forward. the superdelegate system, elizabeth warren agrees as well, it is insane system and should get rid of it, since it exists for now, what she should do, what hillary clinton should do is get enough superdelegates putting letter out in the next week saying we're not switching our vote, bernie sanders, give it up. if this goes to the philadelphia convention, if donald bernie sas sets his sight on donald trump, he knows this is silly thing to do. >> he wants to defeat donald trump and defeat hillary clinton. he has to stay in there. we don't know what will happen with the fbi. none of us are psychic or privy to the conversation and investigations. someone has to play in. >> i want to play shortstop for the yankees. that is my dream. it ain't going to happen my friend and ain't going to happen for bernie sanders. >> brian cashman is not coming to your house. harris: much more interesting than i thought it was going to be, brian really going to your house? >> he is not, not yet. harris: when you talk about the super delegate situation we saw in puerto rico last night as we await results to come in, you saw a 7th superdelegate come on waiting to fet the tally. she is already trying to do that. she goes state by state trying to get superdelegates to come out and support her to say we're not going to switch. she got seven out of seven available in puerto rico last night. that i think will continue with her. i think she will push for that. if bernie looks at california or comes really close or and actually wins but can't get through the nominating process. he can only thank himself. what we heard most clicked on moment of all this primary season in the debates when he said, you know i don't want to hear anymore about those damn emails. i'm quoting him. he can only thank himself. he gave her open door and free pass on one of the bigger issues, not the email server and the clinton foundation tied to that. and what we might have learned frommed clinton foundation and where money went to foreign governments from her email. sandra: what does it say about the election matchup, between hillary clinton and donald trump where she has a hard time shaking bernie sanders? >> she is not a good candidate. she lacks authenticity. does not come with creditability. the way she responds to allegations of wrongdoing, not making herself available to the public. there is -- sandra: we'll talk about that later in the hour. >> there is a reason why barack obama peter so soundly last time. she just not a good candidate. if you don't have authenticity and don't have credibility, you're just not going anywhere. >> i think you could make the argument none are good candidates. neither is borne bierne because of that botched play -- bernie sanders. like watching golden state beat the cavs, so much sloppy play and turnovers, but in the end golden state won by 30 points. sandra: right here all day and into the wee hours of the evening as polls close in the state of california, keep it right here on fnc. meanwhile it is deposition on hold. the i.t. specialist who set up clinton's rogue home email server, bryan pack parks has decided to plead the fifth. a judge is demanding memorandum outlining legal authority for him to remain silent in the lawsuit over hillary clinton's emails. one national security attorney tells "the hill," by not talking he increases chances former secretary of state will be called to testify. is she concerned about being indicted? here she is. >> there is absolutely no possibility of that. that is just never going to come to pass. i have absolutely no doubt about that. and, we will, you know go into the convention united and we will come out and work hard to defeat donald trump. harris: gosh i wish i could take the crystal ball to vegas. how does she know that for sure. >> she lives in alternate universe. i mean, for her to categorically deny that this is a serious threat to her, it lacks total credibility. she set up the email server on the very same day that she started her senate confirmation process. she is now gone through the investigation by the inspector general, by refusing to talk to the inspector general at the same time she looks into the camera saying i do everything i can to cooperate but she won't talk to the inspector general. there are things, lists of lists -- harris: you don't believe in coincidences, congressman? >> that two people she is supposed to ask for permission, the head of security and head of i.t., never asked permission to do this. people on intelligence committee looked at emails, they're so sensitive even the inspector general can't look at them because of classification of these emails. she says there is no threat? there is active fbi investigation. harris: one more quick one from hillary clinton on the i.g. report. she got asked about it. let's watch. >> you don't accept the conclusions of the report because they say you were unmindful of rules? >> everybody in the department knew i was emailing from a personal address. hundreds of people knew it. people around the government knew it and, you know, that was what the practice had been and that's what i did as well. >> so i take it you don't accept their conclusion? harris: is she blaming everybody else? >> congressman, i have a question for you. james comey, head of the fbi i would think you would agree is not a partisan hack. if he does not recommend an indictment, if we have no leaks from the fbi saying we have recommended indictment, justice department didn't take us up, if he says there is really no case to make against her legally will you accept that finding? will you say okay, fine this is not an illegal thing she's done? i feel like people keep saying that she did something illegal, but if the fbi acts and says actually we looked into this and we don't think she did anything illegal will you and fellow republicans accept that. >> probably, because we do believe in james comey. in all of the government i do think that he is a man of integrity and honesty. he came before the house judiciary committee which i'm on he said he looks at this daily. his finger is on the pulse of this. nothing happens without him and i think he is going to the definitive person to make a determination or recommendation. we'll see where that goes. sandra: that being said, congressman, put the crystal ball back in your lap, what does he do? >> well it continues to go on. i've read certain things. i don't know whether or not they're true but i do think it is imperative they get it done sooner rather than later. the fact, again i have read, i don't know that it is true, mr. pagliano, who is the i.t. specialist, actually got some immunity. you probably wouldn't get an immunity unless you offered, had a proffer in place and you had some valuable information. that person is pleading the there are by some news reports, hundreds of agents working on this. there is something there there. or they wouldn't continue on to this day without coming to conclusion. >> there is different criteria in the two different cases. he has immunity from the justice department. harris: not from -- >> actually where he has immunity. where he doesn't have immunity and where he is pleading the fifth in the "judicial watch" case which is a civil case. harris: civil. >> and pleading the fifth there could actually hurt him. in criminal case it can not. in criminal case that is against self-incrimination which is very important distinction because in the civil case if he doesn't say anything, it could not only make him look worse but as you said, it could also set up the secretary for having to come forward and she said the fbi hasn't yet made a date with me to come in but they are still actively through her lawyer talking to the fbi. and they're not going to decide on an indictment until they spoken with her. >> i assume you would know better than i do, you get a target letter, if you're target of investigation. she claimed -- >> she has not claimed she has not gotten a specific date. >> is there grand jury convened? if he getting an indictment a grand jury would have been convened now i assume. there is no grand jury -- no evidence that this is trending into criminal investigation. >> the head of the fbi said. >> the director of the fbi not in any way, shape or forms said she is target of the investigation, or has he? am i missing something here? >> i think it is pretty common knowledge they are setting her email system she set up in her own home? >> but is she the target of the investigation. >> there is questions about the safety and security about the information transferred in and out of her system. look at the i.g. report just issued it is very damning report and very conclusive that she ignored the rules and put people at risk and she was not abiding by their own documents that she agreed to -- >> i'm very happy to hear, you and i hope a lot of your fellow congressman agree with you on this, if there is no recommendation by the feds let's take a deep breath and move on. >> what if there is? if there is recommendation for felony charges and justice department -- >> then i happen to agree with congressman chaffetz that james comey is not partisan hack. maybe that is cale from him telling us right now. if there is any sort of recommendation from james comey fbi investigation -- >> should she drop out of the race? >> absolutely. i agree. harris: interesting point you brought up, federal versus civil. was it director comey. >> mom, is that you? i love you. >> i put him on hold. harris: he will wait. donald trump facing fire from top republicans over his criticism of the latino judge handling the trump university lawsuit. donald trump is refusing to back down, expanding comments to include muslim judges. how will that play with the voters? we're already halfway through through 2016, hillary clinton has not held a formal news conference all year. sandra and i threatened to skate after her. why is she afraid to face us. pop up online with the tv version wraps up. foxnews.com/outnumbered. tap on overtime. jump on the live chat with facebook or twitter. bonus if you love facebook live, really, who isn't, watch usythie facebook.com/outnumbered fnc.th stay where you are. for the strength and energy to get back to doing... ...what you love. ensure. always be you. beautiful day in baltimore where most people probably know that geico could save them money on car insurance, right? 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what do you think, congressman. >> you can disagree with somebody's political affiliation and -- >> was it too close to home? was it racist? >> the idea you will attack somebody based on heritage you will not get a fair ruling, i don't think that resonates. i don't believe in it and i think it is wrong of him to have said it but he does tell it the way he sees it. >> yeah. >> i happen to disagree with that i don't think it will win him any points in the court or with the judge. i think he could have dismissed it simply by saying, you know what? the case is being ajudicated. it is in the courts, leave it to my attorneys and move on and we wouldn't be in day three talking about this. >> are you at all surprised not dialing back? >> i'm not surprised. i'm surprised paul ryan this came out of left field. out of left field? this guy is using racist code words or not code words -- saying you will band 1.6 muslims from coming here because of their religion. that is pretty bad. i'm surprised paul ryan, woe is me, where is this coming from. this guy has been a birther since 2008, 2010. all of sudden the speaker of the house who just endorsed him seemed to be shocked shocked gambling is going on here? i don't understand where he is coming from. >> almost seems like a little bit of betrayal on the right. newt gingrich came forward to give forceful defense of donald trump and appeared on the short list of possible vp candidates they're all kind of up in arms. harris: one thing i would say that is a little bit different in my experience covering candidate, normally surrogates would check with you first before making a statement like that, particularly if you know you're on the short list as a vp pick. so i would say that got a little dicey among these men. but i also want to point to a couple of facts. so, the judge is of mexican heritage. he was born in america. judge napolitano pointed out this morning, people are criticizing him as donald trump has belonging to a group called la raza. napolitano says no, the key word there was. he used to be a member or supporter, or whatever it was. as sitting justice he can't belong to any advocacy group. my question for donald trump is, if you take out curiel based on his heritage, would you have taken out thurgood marshall, our first african-american sitting supreme court justice, during the sill rights conversations in cases? furthermore, would you take out clarence thomas? i mean it's, it bears the question. >> where does it end? harris: where does it end. sandra: congressman in newt gingrich's comments when he called donald trump's words inexcusable, one of the worst mistakes trump every made he said trump has to move to a new level. this is in the same interview. this is no longer the primaries. he is no longer an interesting contender. he is potential leader of the united states. do you believe as he moves into the general out of the primary he has got to change? he has been asked a million times by other republicans change the rhetoric, change the tone. do you believe he needs to do that? >> well i think newt gingrich's assessment was spot on. i do happen to agree with that. who am i to say the guy has to change. i want there to be authenticity. as we go into an election. i want the person to be who they are rather than so handled and manipulated. that candidate is hillary clinton. if you want to see somebody totally scripted all the time, go vote for hillary clinton. if you have somebody that tells like it is way they see it, that is what is endearing about donald trump. >> are you comfortable who he is? you want to be like he is. are you comfortable with this kind of rhetoric? i can't imagine most well meaning republicans are rhetoric against a sitting judge based on ethnicity. >> i can disagree on policy and principles. i disagree with the statements he made there but do i think he would be much better candidate and much better president than hillary clinton. you betcha all day long. yes. harris: i wonder if republicans will step up and start to handle him a little more when they make statements. that is also disrespectful. >> these are mistakes he doesn't have to mistake at this point. he is watching hillary clinton being attacked on both fronts, from republicans and bernie sanders. and he doesn't have to subject himself to the same thing where hillary clinton is using those comments in campaign ads. you got leadership in the house and senate doing the same thing. so he is getting sort of blowback that he doesn't need. >> firestorm growing over the doctoring of a 2013 state department press briefing on the iran nuclear deal. the answers are own one lucky guy congressman chaffetz is demanding but will we get them? 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>> well, look, they're trying, i think they snookered the american people when ben rhodes and company tried to sell the iranian deal. now that it is in place, there seems to be a whitewashing of the record because here you have this instance where there is eight minutes of video that is extracted. now they're saying it is on purpose. now we find a second case where they have actually deleted a portion, a small portion, but a very important portion of the record in the transcript. so it starts to look more like a pattern as opposed one-off about. we expect the secretary of state and the state department to come clean and find out who will be held accountable. sandra: do you think you will get anything back? >> later today we're sending requests for the secretary of state to appear before the oversight committee. they -- originally we were trying to have ben rhodes come testify. they said that wasn't going to be problem, less than 24 hours before they claimed there is separation of branches problem that they had. sandra: executive privilege. >> and so, they didn't make him available. so now we want the senate confirmed secretary of state to come, between now and july 5th tenet we expect him to come to the oversight committee and help explain all these problems. harris: with the ben rhodes things i was confused because he already talked to the media. >> yeah. >> that's true. that is really good point. >> he talks to the media -- he had, that same day he had a public speaking engagement where he answered questions. >> i saw clips from it. >> but would not appear before congress. >> can i ask you a quick question about this because this is really troublesome. you want a transparent administration, whether the state department or white house. if that is what they're promising they should deliver most basic threshold and they're not. do you think there is direct connection between ben rhodes and missing footage at the state department? >> i don't know but i do know that they have actually taken transcript and pulled it out of the record. they ed ted out eight minutes of video. that can not stand. that is absolutely excusable. you're seeing media far and wide understand how manipulative this administration has been to them and they're letting them get away with it. >> you're oddly silent? >> i'm not silent. i completely agree with everything you said. there is no excuse for any type of behavior. i hate when they edit the congressional record. there is no excuse editing public documents we pay for our tax dollars. john kerry is right to demand answers. i hope he is sincere. i hope you get the answer you require from this committee there. is no excuse of kind of behavior. as taxpayer this shouldn't be issue. >> someone picked up the phone and call the editor and the he had toward took it out. therefore you would have no digital record. i find that very hard to believe. harris: how many employees could you talk to. >> there are 300 they would have to interview one by one to get an ends. why not do it? harris: kerry is calling this stupid and inappropriate. he said he is very angry about this. do you think you'll get him to come forward? >> if we mutually agree weed out and find people held accountable. nothing in the government gets you fired around here. >> good point. >> that should be one of them. harris: that is a true statement. iran is pushing back after the state department put out its annual report as tehran the top state sponsor of terror. a former military spokesperson called the report fictitious. a -- could force the obama administration whether it paid a ransom to release 10 sailors held by iran later this year. $1.7 billion of taxpayer money was reportedly sent to the islamic republic one day after they freed our americans. what happened there? you're overseeing cash. what happened? >> we want secretary kerry come before the committee. we want to know if some sort of payment was made. harris: did he agree to that. >> in all fairness we sent it today. we want to know what payments were made to iran in the iranian deal. we had the president say 150 billion. we had the secretary of the treasury say it is 3 billion. we want to know what the secretary of state is doing in europe trying to get banking arrangements for iran. harris: you don't know? >> i don't think the public knows. that is why we wanted to have ben rhodes come before the committee. that's why i think we need the lead negotiator as he calls himself, secretary of state john kerry come and clarify this because still to this day, we don't know the details of the iranian deal. what are the side deals? does anybody know what they are? no. sandra: if you don't know what they are -- harris: they think i need counseling but you really don't have an idea. >> i think you need counseling i would agree with that but i don't know the details. nobody in congress does. nobody in the world knows except iranians and select people in the white house. they have to tell us. they have to come clean. harris: the ransom money and the idea that our guys are capitulated the guns were drawn and made a statue of our sailors in iran so people can see how great the iranian government is i suppose. what about the money, that 1.billion dollars? >> don't know. this is why the legislation is moving through the process to compel the administration to tell us whether or not that was tied, was this a ransom payment? the coincidence on the timing is just really strange. >> explanation was very, very poor and it was vague and so unsatisfactory. i think it is very fair to press the white house, figure out where did this money come from? why was it all of sudden freed at this last minute. this they are really horrible negotiators. harris: julie? >> as i said last week as well the iranians are one of the worst regimes on earth. you're absolutely right, that we need to know exactly what was in the deal, a deal i very, very reluctantly supported if it accomplishes the goal the administration claims it will accomplish. harris: do you regret it now? >> i don't regret it, i know my history too well. we talked about it other day with soviets. you negotiate with horrible regimes if you want to accomplish very narrow goals. i hope it will prevent them from going nuclear next decade but we'll see. >> maybe that is the problem. there are so much we don't know that is actually broadens everything -- >> i'm with you. i would like to know what is going on. listen we'll not change the iranian's regime behavior. there is nothing we can do to suddenly join the democracy of nations to make them some amazing fellow among nations. they're one of the worst regimes if not the worst regime on earth. they are absolutely out to get us. they're out to get israel. they fund hamas, they fund hezbollah, they fund a bunch of terrorist organizations around the world. they're a horrible regime. to me this deal was very limited in scope. the jury is still out whether it succeeded or not. >> they gave them $100 billion. state department's own admission. they're the leading -- >> don't. >> leading sponges source of terrorism and gave them $100 billion. you don't think that will come back and kill -- >> how much aid did we give soviets with nuclear weapons at us and nikita crew chef yelling at u.n. we wilbury you with his shoe? you may be right, i may be wrong, it remains to be seen but you can't suddenly say this regime is somebody you expected in exchange for money to give emin not to go nuclear, to be suddenly in the community of nations. that was never realistic. harris: it would be really telling on heels of this deal we had to pay them $1.7 billion to keep our sailors safe. >> agree. harris: that would say a whole lot. i hope you get to the bottom. >> we'll try. harris: recent polling shows hillary clinton and donald trump virtually tied in a general election race but clinton campaign claiming no worries while the democrat front-runner is promising a contentious race. what to make of her tone and whether she should be concerned. ? a meeting? it's a big one. too bad. we are double booked: diarrhea and abdominal pain. why don't you start without me? oh. yeah. if you're living with frequent, unpredictable diarrhea and abdominal pain, you may have irritable bowel syndrome with diarrhea, or ibs-d. a condition that can be really frustrating. talk to your doctor about viberzi, a different way to treat ibs-d. viberzi is a prescription medication you take every day that helps proactively manage both diarrhea and abdominal pain at the same time. so you stay ahead of your symptoms. viberzi can cause new or worsening abdominal pain. do not take viberzi if you have or may have had: pancreas or severe liver problems, problems with alcohol abuse, long-lasting or severe constipation, or a blockage of your bowel or gallbladder. if you are taking viberzi, you should not take medicines that cause constipation. the most common side effects of viberzi include constipation, nausea, and abdominal pain. stay ahead of ibs-d... with viberzi. do you really know what it means? 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>> we're going to have a very contentious campaign because i'm going to point out at every single moment that can why i believe the republican nominee should never get near the white house. but ultimately, ultimately, this will be a decision, this will be a decision of the american people. sandra: did you see this, congressman? a change in tone from hillary clinton? >> no. first of all for her to suggest she is not worried about the polls. come on, nobody believes that if you're running for president you're looking at polls every day. you're worried about whether or not you're in front. sandra: to her defense the polling hasn't necessarily as julia will point out called this lech so far. >> no it hasn't, to say they're not worried about it or not thinking about it i don't think is believable in any way shape or form. it will be contentious campaign and cantankerous and authenticity i think will win the day. blunt speaking of donald trump far outweigh the scripted person of hillary clinton because she lacks as i said a couple times here, lacks authenticity, lacks credibility. she's got her own, donald trump keeps calling her "crooked hillary" and there is a lot of substance. harris: as someone who is expert on these campaigns and advising candidates, what would you, julie roginsky tell hillary clinton to do as she starts to ready herself for the general? >> i would never presume all politicians, most successful politicians, dare say i think even you, look at polls and find out what people may want to hear and repeat your message over and over again. maybe not you but most successful politicians do that. for anybody to say, let's start extemporaneously talking about whether it comes to mind, whether mexican judges are not fit or mexican descent judges are unfit to that somehow trumps somebody that stays on message, whatever their poll something tells them successful winning message, congressman you know well. >> has to be basis of truth. what she said just in the last few days has no basis in truth. >> about donald trump's record? >> she is under investigation. she is did not abide by what the state department said that she should do. she created a situation that put people's lives in danger. you combine that with benghazi and her lack of any sort of success again, i still challenge her, what in the world for four years has secretary of state did she accomplish in that time? sandra: she can't enumerate anything. >> that is good winning message except for one thing, that she came out anticipating that was obviously what the republican message was going to be and delivered speech says okay, you might think i'm "crooked hillary," you might think benghazi, you might think emails and all things being said of me but is this guy you want with finger on nuclear button. i'm betting that is not. >> she read that based on poll. >> of course. >> she is reading polls. she is unauthentic. she is unethical and she is not trustworthy and doesn't tell the truth. but that reaction, i pointed this out last week, that is the wrong reaction for her right now. she can triangulate to trump, should do it after california because she has a lot of bernie supporters in inland california watching that foreign policy speech, i knew it. she is a hawk. she wants to blow everyone up and screw up the middle east like any other person that i fun -- >> i fundamentally disagree with. >> she wants to show democrats a lot of democrats unsure whether she takes fight to trump that she can take the fight to trump. that speech last week reassured a lot of democrats including some in california about the fact she is the right candidate to take it to trump. >> she is only candidate they have got now. sorry, bernie. sandra: y'all are convinced looking at polls saying she is not worried. >> they say that when they're losing. >> only polls that count is election day. come on, you never heard that before? 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>> what is she avoiding? she hasn't called me. i feel bad for brian fallon. i've had his job. you try -- >> would you want to be lying? >> i'm sorry. >> is he lying? >> i don't know if he is lying but the facts don't line up with his contention, let's put it that way. harris: you're so cute. >> i am so cute, thank you. i think she should "meet the coo meet the press, and i think it is absolutely a mistake. if you're running for office you should be accountable to the media. clearly a campaign decision for them not to do that, another strategy point of theirs, nevertheless you're right, british do it well. they have prime ministers question time. i think it's a great time. we don't have it here. >> accountable to the media, accountable to the voters. >> amen. sandra: she wouldn't debate bernie sanders when she was prompted to. >> when she promised she would. sandra: same candidate promised last time around anybody running for highest office in the land should be ready to debate at any moment at any point in the election. >> do you think this quill get better or worse? this will get worse. i know we talked about it before. she said she wants to put the email controversy behind her. she will answer any question. when the inspector general makes the request it gets denied. this is pattern. she does this, refuses to talk to reporters. she doesn't talk to the inspector general. she does not want to answer questions and be held accountable. harris: you know who is good at news conferences though? donald trump. he takes every question. he stands there, you have watched him. we've watched him. >> he turned his primary victory speeches into press conferences. >> i would advise him not, that i'm in the business of advising him tone that down. maybe that is not so helpful. harris: look at juxtaposition. you have somebody who won't talk in six months in news conference fashion and somebody who will absolutely do it. why would you tell him to stop? harris: because of the candidate. >> maybe you're not a good candidate. if you can't have a press conference to answer basic questions and be held accountable for your decisions or future decisions -- >> i'm not disagreeing she should do it. obviously strategic decision on their point. >> but they mislead the public. their spokesperson goes on television and happens this every day and people there say it doesn't happen. >> it is very sad and much to discuss. fortunately we have more "outnumbered" in just a moment. i asked my dentist if an electric toothbrush was going to clean better than a manual. he said sure...but don't get just any one. get one inspired by dentists, with a round brush head. go pro with oral-b. oral-b's rounded brush head cups your teeth to break up plaque and rotates to sweep it away. and oral-b delivers a clinically proven superior clean versus sonicare diamondclean. my mouth feels super clean! oral-b. know you're getting a superior clean. i'm never going back to a manual brush. harris: so going forward, congressman chaffetz, we know that your job is big. what is your first thing you do when you get to washington? 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>> hillary clinton appearing for the first time with senator tim kaine on stage. that is of course as she confirms him as her pick for a running mate which she announced via text message last night. with hours to go until this convention officially kicks off right here in philadelphia, the virginia senator made it clear to today's crowd in miami he is ready fto to whatever it takes o elect the first woman president. >> these are tough times for many of in our country, but we're tough people. tough times don't last, but tough people do. and they don't come any tougher or anymore compasss passionate than hillary clinton. so let's go make history. >> tim kaine making the case for hiller to. we go to kasie hunt who has been covering all the action in miami. one of the lanes that really st stuck out to me is when tim kaine said you need a leader who has a passion for everything but himself more or less a knock at the caricature of donald trump. >> reporter: i think part of what this event showed and what the clinton campaign wants to underscore is this idea that donald trump can help go after donald trump in a way that comes across as genuine. and you really did see tim kaine's colloquial style on stage. you could see both hillary clinton and tim kaine seemed excited legitimately, happy to be on stage with each other, happy to be at this point. they seemed to make each other stronger in that way. hillary clinton focusing on words we heard from donald trump at the convention. take a look at a piece of her speech, an into discussiroducti running mate today. >> when someone says "i alone with fix it," that should set off alarm bells in not just democrats' mind, but republican, independents, people of all ages and backgrounds. that is not a democracy. >> reporter: so there you have a little bit of clinton today. i will also tell you we have new details about how this all played out. we of course were trying all day yesterday to nail todown exactl who she was going to pick, how they were concealing it. we learn that several of hillary clinton top staffers including her campaign chairman got in a freight elevator in brooklyn, secretly flew to rhode island where tim kaine was holding a fundraiser, drove to newport where clinton called tim kaine telling him poe decem poe h. po toe was hiding out waiting to pick him up. they were about an hour late to the event today part lid because t ly because the two of them were talking. and kaine got a call last night from obama congratulating him on this pick. >> road trip with john poe december toe on a happy day, a car to an fly on the wall. thank you so much p. for more reaction in philadelphia, i'm joined by joe maloney and columnist chris brennan. and in miami where the action was, our democratic strategist. thanks to everyone for being here. chris, on the local vibe, you look at the gun issue, i want to play a little bit of sound from kaine. we don't often hear national democrats bring up guns as the first thing they want to run on. take a listen. >> i know the nra, they're headquartered in my state in virginia. they campaigned against me in every statewide race that i've ever run, but i've never lost an election. i don't mind powerful groups campaigning depends me that is just like an extra cup of coffee to me. just gets me more excited. >> chris, democrats betting this issue is changing for them. >> i think so. he spoke very emotionly abo lll the subject and in pennsylvania, this has been a big fight. there is a long running legal battle about who can regulate the ownership of the legal guns. and that will litigate in the courses in a long time. and i think it will play very well in places like pittsburgh and scrap ton and philadelphia and poorly in places like jorge county, planlancaster county, butler.ton and philadelphia and poorly in places like jorge county, lancaster county, butler. >> how do you see as an antidote to what donald trump is saying? he says basically things are bad, maybe even worse than you've heard, and he will be tough. where the did thats are saying, yeah, some things are bad, but there is a bunch of major instance of gun violence and policies that could help stem that. beginning the data is on the side of democrats on this issue. if we take the announcement and rollout today, a little bit of red meat for the base, however this is an issue that folks are crapling with in their communities and neighborhoods. and with the emotional story that senator kaine has attached to it from virginia tech massacre, he's appropriated himself as solutions minded. so the contrast with donald trump is very stark which is that we will work on this together because it's a critically important issue for our community. >> and the contrast that joe is talking about, that also comes up in the whole idea of whether trump is assertive or aggressive gepdi in depending on how you put it and whether there should be more bridge building. take a listen to kaine about talking trash. >> do you want a trash talking president or a bridge building president? of course you do. donald trump frash talks folks with disabilities. trash talks mexican americans and latinos whether they're new immigrants or governors or federal judges. trash talks women, trash talks oral lies. calls the military a disaster. you're right, he doesn't trash talk everybody. he likes vladimir putin. let's get that straight. >> we pull that had sound because it's notable that he makes that contrast and also shows that tim kaine is someone who can ad rib on foreign policy. how do you think it is playing in florida? >> it is playing extraordinarily well. we came into the announcement hearing the words vanilla, dry, a little boring. and what was so amazing certainly me and a lot of folks watching around the country was how tim kaine overperformed to all those expectations. you saw a guy that was very comfortable in his own skin. had a real connection not just with the audience clearly with hillary clinton, as well. spoke from the cuff. i think sounded very heartfelt, came across very gasoline wenui what he did in spanish, i don't think there is in history of american politics a major candidate for vice president or president for that matter that can speak fluent spanish like that. it compounds the problem donald trump is going to have with hispanic voters and there not enough taco bell -- or taco bull tweets touchdown can send to overcome the ditch he's in with hispanic voters and i think tim kaine just threw him a shovel. >> you had a convention speech that talked about we don't want these people in our country, which is an echo of pat bucha n buchanan's famous only campaigning, a statistic city that seems to have globe. and now tim kaine saying that he's a building builder.city that seems to have globe. and now tim kaine saying that he's a building builder. donald trump tweeted is in the same kaine that took hundreds of thousands of dollars of gifts and did not get indicted when bob m did. and a senator saying trying to count the ways i hate tim kaine, drawing a blank. congrats to a good plman and go friend. >> we hat senator pat toomey in pennsylvania and he put out a statement yesterday that said he thought hillary clinton would be a disaster as president, but then went on to laugh injuvish n tim kaine. i think there was a question whether he could serve as an attack dog. i remember covering him in 2010 when he was chairman of the democratic national committee during the midterm elections and he was a little flat on the stage. that was a rough year for democrats and he was not very fiery. he didn't perform that well. and this being lookeded like a new tim kaine. >> it did. joe, you worked campaign events. on some days they show up, on some days they don't. tim kaine looked strong and excited to be there today. you're going into it a convention where the republicans seemed to struggle to react to events at their own convention. the ted cruz moment was like a call they made and then they were spinning it. it reminds me of the famous saying in jamaica, we run things, things don't run we. and at the rnc, it seems like things were running the convention. contrast that with the challenge here in philadelphia now that the ticket has been filled out. what do they have to do at the same time when clinton is often accused of being overly scripted? >> i can tell you that they won't throw away their shots this week. it's the republicans did it in cleveland. the convention is arguably the second campaign after the primaries. this is a critically important week. upwards of 20 million perhaps viewer as night. so what we won't be talking about a week from now are fumbled speeches, nonendorsements and poor organization. so i think you will hear a lot of solutions. i think you will hear a vision for the future. you will hear about how we can bring communities together by listening to one another, by working together. senator kaine hit it out of the park today. i think americans will learn that this is a bridge builder above all and there is no more pointed contrast for democrats this week after cleveland than that message specifically. >> and finally with the time we have left, how much does that matter, how much do voters actually look at the convention which is are obviously performances but look at them as an example of how the respective parties might lead the country itself? >> i don't think anybody will remember the convention even five, six weeks after it's all done. what they will remember is the feeling, the perception that they have, the emotion thatsurf. and the word that came to my mind today was competent. the idea that this this was a competent serious individual talking about his experience in public life if the democrats can come out of the convention projecting this feeling of competence and seriousness and let that ring in the bell of the american voter that is a win for them and i think that's what you will want them is to see coming out of philadelphia. >> confidence not always the most exciting political message, but democrats betting it may be chaos. thanks for joining us on a busy day. up ahead, we'll have a lot more here on the big new as. we do know who will be on the ballot, what you does it take to win and what are the new numbers up to grabs including pennsylvania where we're broadcasting from. and does tim kaine have a chance to help here. that's all straight ahead. i love my shop, but my back pain was making it hard to sleep and open up on time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. now i'm back. aleve pm for a better am. we do know who will be on the clean food. words panera lives by. no artificial flavors, preservatives, sweeteners. no colors from artificial sources. 100% of our food will be clean by year's end. that's food as it should be. ♪ it takes a lot of work... but i really love it.s. i'm on the move all day long... and sometimes, i just don't eat the way i should. so i drink boost® to get the nutrition that i'm missing. boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. all with a great taste. i don't plan on slowing down any time soon. stay strong. stay active with boost®. keeping the power lines clear,my job to protect public safety, while also protecting the environment. the natural world is a beautiful thing, the work that we do helps us protect it. public education is definitely a big part of our job, to teach our customers about the best type of trees to plant around the power lines. we want to keep the power on for our customers. we want to keep our community safe. this is our community, this is where we live. we need to make sure that we have a beautiful place for our children to live. together, we're building a better california. i'm one of only 20 people in american history to receive as a mayor, a governor and united states senator. i know for a lot of you this might be the first time you're hearing me speak. let me be honest, the first time you've even heard my name. but that's okay because i'm excited for us to get to know one the another. >> tim kaine could ultimately deliver his home state of virginia for the democrats in november, but will he help the democratic ticket in other swing states? jim nolan, politics reporter, and back with us here onset joe maloney. jim, you've covered tim kaine for a long time. talk about his political style in reaching out beyond the core democratic base. >> tim kaine has an ability to connect with people from all walks of life. and everyone who has met him has said that they felt some connection with him. of course he comes from fairly humble beginnings. son of a welder in kansas city, he was a civil rights housing lawyer after graduating harvard, but he took a break he from harvard to be a catholic missionary in honduras where he learned how to speak spanish which we saw today he employed to very effective use in a crowd that he everyone admitted didn't really know who he was. so certainly i think he's a good choice for hillary clinton in that he has a broad appeal not just in virginia which he might not really need to be on the ticket for hillary to win, but across the country where the hispanic demographic is getting more and more influential in certain swing states. kaine's ability to communicate, his ability to connect with people both inside the belt way and outside the belt way as he's done in virginia could be very effective for him.belt way and outside the belt way as he's done in virginia could be very effective for him. >> you mentioned virginia reflecting blue and i think that is the conventional wisdom. it hadn't gone blue since 196 #, but we can put the battle ground map up. virginia still a toss up state as is north carolina, pennsylvania, ohio, new hampshire, iowa, coal. >> caller: colorado and nevada. put the running mates aside, donald trump drstruggles particularly out west, what does tim kaine do in a place like ohio or north carolina and the message he brings? >> mid western sensibility. >> jim, i'll go to you. >> mid western sensibility i think is very relate ability and something that will have plenty of appeal in ohio. being the son of a welder, being will sort of humble individual from kansas city, those roots matter. i was struck in his speech about his catholic upbringing and his faith centered life, this notion of the high school theme was men unto others. in faith community, that means something and he's taken it into his professional career as a public servant. this is somebody who working pro bono and wife working hard to raise three amazing children he found time to start a coalition to end homelessness. in and you make the point politics is fluid. we're having this conversation taking it as a given thatand yo politics is fluid. we're having this conversation taking it as a given that religion is a clear part of his value system and we're coming off republican convention where you have a nominee who didn't talk about god or faith issues at the all in his speech which is fine, his call, but again, it show as migration in the politics that you don't stop and notice it it's actually quite different than where the parties were even recently. jim, i cut you off before on the technicality. go ahead. >> i think that is very, very true. he has a broad appeal. of course his position on abortion, he's personally opposed to it, but he's never done anything to stop or infringe upon the rights of women to access that service. he has affirmed that as governor and senator. and certainly today on the campaign trail. as a catholic he's opposed to the death penalty, yet as governor he never it anything to stop executions that were lawful under virginia law from going forward. so tim kaine knows how to walk the line between his personal beliefs and what he sees as his responsibility as a senator/governor/statesman. my guess is that he's a safe pick in that respect. in he >> he's also been an executive this charge of the state government and all the responsibility that bears. take a listen to his response here to this thin a terrible sh at virginia tech. >> april 16, on 2007, that was the worst day of my life. it was the worst day of so many people's lives. and for the parents and loved ones of those kids and professors, that pain never goes away. >> he's obviously walking a careful line speaking about something that tragic at a political rally. you could even hear a smattering of applause and then realizing, well that's not that kind of moment. but from you covering him, how did that figure into his approach to running the state? 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>> i suppose that is a test, but i don't think you'll see that. look, i'm not going to sugar coat it. there have been some differences between the campaigns but we're moral like than different quite frankly. if you look at the sanders supporters, these are people who we in the state party have not neglected. we haven't rigged the system in that regard at all. >> you're talking about the new york state party. >> right. >> you're saying the allegations in for example the national party was taking sides with hillary. >> i've worked with members of the dnc for the last year and a half towards this convention, towards this primary and general election. and they have been nothing but fair and honest in talking about how we need to be supportive of all the candidates. my counterparts across the country have said the exact same thing because the bernie sanders supporters and hillary clinton supporters, people that we have known before this process and have to work with after this process especially when we're electing governors and senators and state legislators. >> isn't there another difference that ted cruz is basically saying to donald trump you are so extraordinarily concerning i can't in good conscience, his boarwords, supp you. and bernie sanders says we agree on things, i want more than you're willing to do, but i'll work but. that seems pretty different. >> absolutely. candidates on the republican side insulted one another. we had a conversation about the future of the democratic party and the future of the country and it was a respectful conversation, it was constructive, it brought more people into the process. and this is how we'll move forward. and senator sanders is a huge part of that we could quags. >> i want you to both stay with us. a quick programming note, you won't want to miss chuck todd's interview with donald trump. that conversation will be tomorrow of course where else, on "meet the press." now, ahead thousands are coming right here to philadelphia. we're broadcasting before the convention. we'll have reporting on another important part of all this, the security ahead of such a massive gathering. and the country getting to know tim kaine. who he is and three things you might not know that we haven't covered all day. using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the fruit... veggies... and herbs needed to create a pop-up pick-your-own juice bar in the middle of the city, so now everyone knows... we have some of the freshest juice in town. see what the power of points can do for your business. learn more at chase.com/ink see what the power of points can do for your business. you can fly across welcome town in minutes16, or across the globe in under an hour. whole communities are living on mars and solar satellites provide earth with unlimited clean power. in less than a century, boeing took the world from seaplanes to space planes, across the universe and beyond. and if you thought that was amazing, you just wait. ♪ ♪ ♪ take on any road with intuitive all-wheel drive. the nissan rogue, murano and pathfinder. now get 0% apr for 72 months, plus $500 bonus cash. ♪ this week's convention where we always hope for the best. jacob rascon has the latest on all the preparations. what are you city? >> reporter: philadelphia has already had a national special security event in the last year, the pope coming last fall. so they're well prepared to this kind of thing. so part of the big part of the 3,000 federal officers and the agents that team in cleveland has now come here to do about the same thing. of course you have the secret service inside and homeland security and then you have the philadelphia police department, that will be a bit different than cleveland. because this department is so much bigger, so they won't bring in thousands of officers from outside, they will handle it themselves with a little bit of assistance from the about pennsylvania state troopers. they also here this philadelphia got a big federal security gran pennsylvania state troopers. they also here this philadelphia got a big federal security gr t grant, about $43 million. you will see some of the steel fences, as well. and as far as protesters go, we expect a lot of protesters. in cleveland, we had organizer of the protests, 11,000 people planning to come to protest, in the end we only got maybe 500, 600 throughout the week. here in philadelphia, organizers of the protests here say we will get tens of thousands of protest ares. likelihood is that we won't get all of those that the organizers say will come, butprotesto ares. likelihood is that we won't get all of those that the organizers say will come, butr ares. likelihood is that we won't get all of those that the organizers say will come, butares. likelihood is that we won't get all of those that the organizers say will come, butres. likelihood is that we won't get all of those that the organizers say will come, butes. likelihood is that we won't get all of those that the organizers say will come, buts. likelihood is that we won't get all of those that the organizers say will come, but we expect more than we got in cleveland. philadelphia police and federal officers say that they're ready for this, special agent in charge has said that they have found no credible threat. like in cleveland, the moths the ness they're worried about is disturbance from the protester and any lone wolf attack that they say they have been preparing for for over a year. >> jacob rascon, thank you very much. up next, a little bit more of a look at the candidate, hillary clinton's road to philly after a quick break. ♪ (vo) you can pass down a subaru forester. 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welcome back. we're five days away from hillary clinton taking the stage just a few miles from here and make history accepting the democratic party nomination in philadelphia. it has been a long road and we put together something a little special right now. a look back. america first introduced to her 24 years ago. she was a lawyer and unapologetic about her career. >> you know, i suppose i could have stayed home and baked cookies and had tea, but what i decided to do was fulfill my profession. >> then as first lady, she did fulfill her profession, was passionate about health care, a push that did ultimately fail. >> i'm here as a mother, a wife, a daughter, a sister, a woman. i'm here as an american citizen concerned about the health of her family and the health of her nation. >> if aand as a wife she stood her husband when scandal hit. coining this familiar phrase. >> this vast right wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president. >> she went from the white house to capitol hill winning of course new york senate seat will in 2000 and then 9/11 hit on her watch in new york, those attacks on the world trade center and pentagon. >> this is one of those moments that will long be remembered, the kind of show of support and concern that our. >> caller:. >> caller: leagues have given to this city and state, to the families is really unprecedented.have given to this city and state, to the families is really unprecedented. it will never be for gotten. >> seven years on, she ran against barack obama, that campaign proved to be emotional for clinton, that was evident of course as everyone remembers on the eve of new hampshire's primary. >> i have so many opportunities in this country. i just don't want to see us fall backwards. this is very personal for me. >> personal as it was, she then worked to unify her party. >> it is time it take back the country we love. and whether you voted for me or barack, the time is now. >> that unity was returned by being appointed for secretary of state. she did many things, of course her handling on the attack this benghazi and clinton said she could have done more to prevent the tragedy and went after republicans. >> with all due respect, the fact is we have four dead americans. was it because of a protest or guys out for a walk one night who decided they would kill some american? what difference at this point does it make? >> that investigation led to the uncovering of another scandal, her use of a private e-mail server. >> we went through a thorough process to identify all of my work-related e-mails and deliver them to the state department. at the end, i chose not to keep my private personal e-mails. e-mails about planning chelsea's wedding or my mother's funeral arrangements, condolence notes to friends as well as yoga routine, family vacations, the other things you typically find in inboxes. >> that is of course only a sampling as jerry garcia would say, what a long strange trip it has been for hillary clinton and anyone watching this story as she becomes, gentlemen, on the precipice of being officially the first nominee of a major party for president. you can't take that away from her. it is in many views long overdue and yet as an aide to hillary, how do you deal? >> i couldn't be more proud to have had the opportunity to work with her and for her. i worked on her first senate race, in her senate office, and i was in the office when 9/11 took place. i remember what it was like at that time and we had gone into the office and members of congress and senate from around the country were coming in from new york to try to be helpful and i took them on tours of the site to say, you know, this is where we are now, but this is how we need to be able to move forward. she's one of the most converdit verse santa in public policy and i'm glad it be here. now on the precipice of becoming the president of united states. i'm glad it be here. now on the precipice of becoming the president of united states. >> it's really something. my editor is not exactly -- my political editor is not an emotional gauy, but he said thi is something, this is history, this convention will be unlike any we have ever covered before. >> and yet it's almost like one of those overcovered storms where the media covers the storm so much before it hits that when it actually its, you're like is this storm over? another storm is just starting. but we've been talking about it for so long and hillary clinton is so famous and yet in some way maybe unfair but seems still unknowable. >> there is a wall around the clinton family and part of the problem is their scandals tend to metastasize. let's remember the attempted impeachment of bill clinton started with a real estate deal and ended with monica lewinsky. when people go after the clintons for one thing, they you're find another and that becomes their promise. >> and do they metastasize because there is so much wrong there, in the case of what you just mentioned a lot of people thought a runaway prosecutor just moved beyond what his actual charge was, or the e-mail server, do they metastasize because there are weird decisions ta decisions that get made because looks ridiculous now. we have so much more coverage ahead, just won't be with us. thank you both for being here for several hours. that wraps it up for me. i will be doing facebook live from the convention. you can find me at facebook.com/ari melber. as if ab for what we have aheadt more coverage about every angle of what is happening including what we're doing in philadelphia. all kinds of stuff. briefings about tim kaine that people didn't know that is up next. and then we'll wrap it up. gentlemen, thank you so much. our new cocktail bitters were doing well, but after one tradeshow, we took off. all i could think about was our deadlines racing towards us. a loan would take too long. we needed money, now. my amex card helped me buy the ingredients to fill the orders. opportunities don't wait around, so you have to be ready for them. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com. find out how american express cards and services when heartburn comes creeping up on you. fight back with relief so smooth and fast. tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue. and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. tum-tum-tum-tum-tums smoothies, only from tums. when age-related macular have degeneration, amd we came up with a plan to help reduce my risk of progression. and everywhere i look... i'm reminded to stick to my plan. including preservision areds 2. my doctor said preservision areds 2 has the exact nutrient formula that the national eye institute recommends to help reduce the risk of progression of moderate to advanced amd... after 15 years of clinical studies. preservision areds 2. because my eyes are everything. foand millions moremericans lwho feel its effects.s, let's walk together to make an even bigger impact and end alzheimer's for good. find your walk near you at alz.org/walk. welcome back. i said that we were signing off before the commercial break. that's not the true. it's 97 degrees and i got confused. we have one block left, but it's good block. you may have heard that tim kaine has all kinds of special attributes. he spoke spanish today, but did you know he also delivered the first entirely spanish speech another senate floor are? we'll walk through three things that you might not know about tim kaine. here is number one. >> i ask unanimous consent that i be able to deliver a floor speech in spanish. >> without objection. >> i will provide a translation in english for the congressional record. [ speaking spanish ] >> we're back in philadelphia. spanish is one of the more known, but what do you make of it? >> i think it's a great way to reach out to ensure the base. kaine is well accepted by the establishment, but a good way to counter a problem that donald trump has with latinos. >> joe, i have a really good one for you and it involves tim kaine spelling. he actually won the 2013 national press club spelling bee which i only learned today. take a listen. >> isscintil-c-i-n-t-i-l-s-c-i-. >> senator kaine -- >> nopare-o-p-a-r-e-i-ln-o-p-a-. >> that is correct. you are the champion. >> joe? >> a man of many talents. who more is there not to like. speaking spanish, national spelling bee champion. and i've been told a big royals fan. in this category of him being an insanely likeable individual. could be commander in chief. >> too likeable? >> look, if being competent, having many talents and again being highly accomplished as an executive makes you likeable and boring, i'll double down on that with the democratic party. >> and number three is tim kaine can play the harmonica. i think we have a little bit of that. ♪ >> i don't think you can understatement this one. a lot of people think they can play harmonica and i'll one them. i saw him earlier today, i googled it doing the opening to the beatles love me do and he's very good. >> you raised an important point that we don't address enough which is there is something about small instruments that are less intimidating, right? nobody walks up to a chel lello says i'll be all over that. i know people that just do it at a campfire. >> and it should stay outside and probably never come indoors. >> yeah, i agree. as someone who quit piano lessons. >> so rounding it out when you look at this guy, it is fascinating. he is so different and we talked so much about him as complementing hillary clinton, but there is clearly is a big contrast to donald trump where you have loud versus humble, where you have new to the game and despair ramging of every aspect where on paper one of the most experienced vice presidential nominees in the modern era. >> when i first heard the cape canaveral kaine pick being i thought of it in the terms of mike pence. a good pick because he won't upstate hillary clinton. but now i'm starting to reconsider. because tim kaine delivered a great speech in miami today. he is very personable. there may be that element of him being known and new and people will be interested in him, that may accentuate the idea of hillary as a very women known unknown person about that. >> and just today, more than one republican have said, oh, what if we flipped both these tickets. lindsey graham and bill kristol are unhappy with trump. but the idea that the running mates now are pretty well liked and popular. thank you so much for joining us. that is our hour. we have been covering it live out of philadelphia on msnbc for the convention. chris jansing picks things up after a quick break. thanks for watching. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the fruit... veggies... and herbs needed to create a pop-up pick-your-own juice bar in the middle of the city, so now everyone knows... we have some of the freshest juice in town. see what the power of points can do for your business. learn more at chase.com/ink see what the power of points can do for your business. ♪ share the joy of real cream... ...with reddi-wip. words you don't often hear. words we at panera live by. because clean food is food as it should be. with no artificial flavors, preservatives, sweeteners, and no colors from artificial sources. we think clean food tastes better, feels better, does better. 100% of our food will be clean by year's end. every bite will be food as it should be. ♪ to folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain... shoots and burns its way into your day, i hear you. to everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks extraordinarily painful, i hear you. make sure your doctor hears you too! i hear you because i was there when my dad suffered with diabetic nerve pain. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands, don't suffer in silence! step on up and ask your doctor about diabetic nerve pain. tell 'em cedric sent you. ssoon, she'll be binge-studying. get back to great. this week these 1-subject notebooks just one cent each. office depot officemax. gear up for school. gear up for great. with usaa is awesome. homeowners insurance life insurance automobile insurance i spent 20 years active duty they still refer to me as "gunnery sergeant" when i call being a usaa member because of my service in the military to pass that on to my kids something that makes me happy my name is roger zapata and i'm a usaa member for life. usaa. we know what it means to serve. get an insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. good afternoon. i'm live in chris jansing where it just started raining an where the democratic national convention begins in less than 48
distracting. attack dog. senator elizabeth warren is one democrat who holds nothing back when going after donald trump. she's going to endorse hillary clinton tonight. could warren become hillary clinton's running mate? an isis american. a virginia man who joined isis and then defected appears in federal court on terror charges. why the first american isis fighter is captured on the battlefield and could be a gold mine for u.s. intelligence. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." breaking news, president obama endorses hillary clinton for president of the united states saying he doesn't think there's ever been someone so qualified to hold that office. the president says he's fired up and he'll start campaigning with hillary clinton next week in wisconsin. clinton says she's honored and that she, too, is fired up and ready to go. the endorsement was released after the president met one-on-one in the oval office with bernie sanders. while sanders won't be moving into that office himself, he has vowed to help hillary clinton defeat donald trump and aides say sanders will keep pushing for his progressive agenda. donald trump reacted quickly tweeting, "obama just endorsed crooked hillary. he wants four more years of obama. nobody else does. trump today met with prominent republicans but he's still having trouble with key figures in his own party furious over his attacks on a latino judge. john kasich and scott walker suggest they may not endorse trump. kasich says trump has, quote, gotten worse since the race ended and house speaker paul ryan voices dismay. but what he calls trump's antics saying he hope trump can fix this. i'll speak with democratic chris murphy and our correspondents, analysts and guests will have coverage of today's top stories. let's begin with the breaking news. president obama's endorsement of hillary clinton. let's go to our white house correspondent michelle kosinski. this follow as meeting between the president and bernie sanders. >> reporter: yes. he didn't waste any time. to see how this played out was truly remarkable. we have a presidential endorsement in a video, in a tweet put out by hillary clinton's campaign. we know it was recorded on tuesday and it's clear that the white house wanted to wait for this long discussion today with bernie sanders. now, what we didn't hear from him was i'm bowing out, i'm now supporting hillary clinton. he approached those things in essence saying that he will now work with her and the white house towards their unified goal of defeating donald trump. >> i congratulate hillary clinton. >> reporter: a presidential endorsement in the form of a slick campaign video released on twitter. >> i know how hard this job can be. that's why i know hillary will be so good at it. in fact, i don't think there's ever been someone so qualified to hold this office. >> reporter: unity among democrats is what they are all looking for and that's the picture president obama was careful to protect side by side with bernie sanders today at the white house. but after more than the hour-long private discussion with president obama in the oval office, sanders said he's not leaving the race just yet. >> i will, of course, be competing in the d.c. primary which will be held next tuesday. we will continue doing everything that we can to oppose the drift which currently exists towards a form of society. >> reporter: he did suggest he sees the writing on the wall. >> and lee work as hard as i can to make sure donald trump doesn't become president of the united states. >> reporter: and plans to meet with hillary clinton. >> i look forward to meeting with her in the near future to see how we can work together to defeat donald trump and to create a government which represents all of us and not just the 1%. >> reporter: the president going out of his way to praise the senator's hard fought battle. >> just like eight years ago, there are millions of americans, not just democrat, who have cast their ballots for the very first time. and a lot of that is thanks to senator bernie sanders. >> reporter: they want his supporters. many who right now are still saying bernie or bust. >> and you heard senator sanders say to all of you just a couple of hours ago how critically important it is that president obama be succeeded by somebody who shares our values. >> reporter: president obama now free to hit the campaign trail and will in a matter of days. >> i am fired up and i cannot wait to get out there and campaign for hillary. >> reporter: also on twitter today, donald trump. obama just endorsed crooked hillary. he wants four more years of obama but nobody else does. hillary clinton responding simply "delete your account." sanders met with top democrats and they want to hear him out, find out what he wants, what does he see as best to rally as many supporters and obtain that party unity. what we could see in the coming days is a rollout of endorsements from the vice president and even from the first lady, wolf. >> we'll be watching closely with you. thank you. let's bring in our senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny. jeff, bernie sanders made the rounds in washington and says he'll still compete in next week's primary next tuesday in washington, d.c., and what are his plans going forward? >> he's still campaigning to a point. he'll hold a rally tonight in washington, d.c., but he clearly has made a central pivot in this campaign. top of the order here -- the first order of business is bringing his supporters on board, like michelle just said there. he can join this. but the reality is, one of his attractive features to all of these supporters is that he was an outsider so they know part of these discussions were how can you bring these people on board so they don't either, a, stay home or, b, vote for an independent candidate or a green party candidate or someone else who is running. so, wolf, central to that is firing these people up. i was struck by something that bernie sanders said right when he walked out of the white house about president obama. >> let me begin by thanking president obama and thanking vice president biden for the degree of impartiality they established during the course of this entire process, what they said in the beginning is that they would not put their thumb on the scales and, in fact, they kept their word and i appreciate that very, very much. >> wolf, that was a message to his supporters as well because many who i talked to over the last many months believe that the white house was essentially supporting his opponent. but he clearly made the point clear that he appreciated the respect that was shown to him. in winning 22 states, it's given him a bit of leverage here. one of the key reasons for falling in line, he probably gets the team player award. bernie sanders will become a chairman of a major committee, likely the budget committee. at least potentially the budget committee. those are things that have been talked about. that's one reason for him to go back to his day job with a smile on his face. the clinton campaign wants him to hit the campaign trail pretty quickly and their meeting will likely come after the d.c. primary. wolf? >> let's see what happen after that. thank you very much, jeff zeleny. joining me is chris murphy of connecticut. senator, thanks for joining us. you believe it's time for senator sanders to step down and end his bid for the white house? >> i think he's made it clear that his priority is defeating donald trump. there's one more primary to go but i think the rhetorical shift has already happened. i think this is going to be a very, very powerful image to have, hillary clinton and barack obama campaigning together next week in wisconsin and perhaps the week after to have hillary clinton and bernie sanders campaigning together throughout the country to the extent that there are any lingering, undecided progressive or democratic voters, donald trump will be a tremendous unifying factor. his sort of proud overt racism is something that is going to drive all of bernie supporters who may be a little reluctant to get into the tent into hillary's camp. >> are you saying within two weeks or so you think that bernie sanders and hillary clinton could be out on the campaign trail together? he campaigning for her? >> i hope so. i think there's still going to be some important things that he wants to bring to the convention. once we are finished with all of the voting, he and his supporters have said that would be the moment to come together. so i'm hopeful that senator anders will be out there as quickly as possible. you can hear that there may not be a need to wait for the convention to have the unifying moment. >> as you know, there's a lot of anger among many of bernie supporters. what does president obama, hillary clinton, what do they need to do to get those millions of specially young bernie sanders supporters on board to back hillary? >> as you know, as one of the youngest members of the senate, which is, of course, a relative term, i care deeply about making sure that young voters turn out and i think the rhetoric has been so powerful, maybe they haven't listened to some of the proposals that hillary clinton has made and maybe now after he gets on board with her campaign they will hear the things she's saying about college affordability and progressive issues like paid family sick leave. again, they are going to take a seconds look at donald trump. younger voters which care about tolerance, justice, inclusiveness are going to turn out for hillary clinton and turn out at the polls, also because they reject all of the divisive rhetoric that is going to be the foundation for the trump campaign. >> donald trump has run an unconventional campaign. is hillary clinton underestimated him and his tactics? >> i don't think that. this is a country in which 45% of the electorate is solidly red and blue. you're arguing about 10% 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>> well, the timing is that it couldn't happen fast enough as far as the president was concerned and orchestrated properly, you see the president walking with bernie at the white house, sanders meeting with the vice president talking to hillary clinton this was kind of soft dip employee see at work and bernie sanders coming out and talking about defeating donald trump and i think they want to get on the same page and the president is just itching to get out there and we've seen that during recent appearances. he's been talking about donald trump and you can see that he wants to get out on the campaign trail. this is his legacy and it lies with hillary clinton. >> mark, what do you think of the future plans? >> well, certainly the meeting with barack obama is being viewed internally as a very good meeting. they were happy with the outcome. they knew the endorsement was coming. as far as going forward, people are looking at bernie sanders as a real team player. now the question is going forward the next couple of weeks, wolf, with bernie sanders giving to the clintons his endorsement and not fighting if, looking at policy issues, the drafting platform committee is meeting here in washington. there will be a few more meetings. see if he can push the democratic agenda more to the left as he would choose to do so. here's insider information. there's been a lot made of whether bernie sanders can take out debbie wasserman schultz. one thing we should be looking for is whether the clinton campaign will replace former representative barney frank as well as connecticut governor malloy as the rules committee. they are very upset -- the sanders campaign is very upset at these two gentlemen because he feels that they unfairly attacked bernie sanders and don't want them on the rules committee. >> mark, thank you. interesting stuff. peter, president obama will be visiting hillary clinton out on the campaign trail next wednesday in wisconsin. how strongly would you expect him to come out against donald trump during that appearance and subsequent appearances? >> extremely strongly. and i think you'll see with a lot of humor as well, remember what barack obama did at the white house correspondents' dinner, where he mocked him. one of the real advantages that hillary clinton has in this race is she has stronger surrogates. barack obama will be a very aggressive attacker of donald trump. donald trump goes on himself a lot but a lot of republicans, most republicans, even those who have endorsed him, who don't want to go out there and be attached to him at the hip and that's an advantage for hillary clinton. >> ryan, when would you expect a vice presidential pick on hillary clinton's part? >> well, the traditional time to do that is right before the convention. of course, the convention this cycle are a little earlier. so sometime in early july i would expect that we'll start to hear that. only a few big moments in a race when everyone is paying attention. vice presidential pick, convention and debates. and it will tell us a lot about what kind of campaign she's going to run. is she going to go left and play up the base or is she going to try and grab some of the disaffected republicans and maybe point to someone who is a centrist. >> ryan, i understand you have an article coming out in the new yorker, that he or she is not ruling out voting for hillary clinton. tell us about that. >> senator susan collins of maine tells me that she's opened to voting for hillary clinton. she says it's unlikely but this is the first really high-ranking republican who has actually said that they could vote for hillary clinton. even lindsey graham and ben sass and people that are really, really anti-trump have said they would never, ever consider voting for hillary clinton but susan collins, the maine moderate, she tells me that she's leaving that option open. >> very interesting stuff. i know our viewers will want to read more about that in the new yorker magazine. just ahead, more on donald trump's meeting with big donors including the one he used to score in during the primary campaign. can he get them to open up their checkbooks right now? 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>> sara, thank you. joining us now, darrell issa of california. he has endorsed donald trump. congressman, thanks very much for joining us. as you know, the speaker of the house, paul ryan, called trump's antics and said they were distracting in a radio interview and went on to say this. but i think and hope and believe he can fix this to the point where he can hopefully run a campaign that we can all be proud of. as you know, we've already seen how he runs a campaign defeating 19 republican challengers. why would you expect him to change his strategy in a general election campaign? >> well, because he has to. and one thing i know about business from my background is that the necessity of what it takes to win often changes how people work. you saw this in donald trump's prepared teleprompter speech delivered very well, very thoughtful speech that he had gone through line by line. if he continues to do that, he very quickly changes from that amateur candidate professional businessman candidate to somebody who begins to show the ability to deliver to the world these meaningful speeches. >> republican leaders are currently attending mitt romney's annual summit in park city utah. you told me that romney, quote, needs to get over the fact that somebody he didn't pick won. the big picture right now, where does romney fit in along with the others who feel they've been alienated within their own party and they say they don't think they could ever support trump? >> well, as long as someone says they are not able to support somebody, it's hard for them to be invited into the consulting circle. but assuming that mitt romney wants to make a difference, as so many of us do, including the speaker, they have to be willing to engage with donald trump, expect to have the kind of direct access necessary to be heard and then give thoughtful comments to the candidate and see if in fact he takes the kind of advice that a first-time candidate absolutely needs. >> romney hasn't softened his criticism of trump at all. he's tried to recruit a third-party challenger. he says he won't run but do you think he might try to continue to stop trump either by going after fund-raisers or dedicating the support elsewhere, maybe even to hillary clinton? >> well, that would be a sad thing for him to join barack obama in endorsing a candidate who is under active fbi investigation. you know, this is the first time in history that a seated president has said that they not only endorse but will campaign for somebody. well, that president, attorney general and director of the fbi is actively investing valid criminal charges, ones in which people have taken the fifth and granted immunity to get information from people who clearly did wrong. so, on one hand, we have a criminal situation. on the other hand, we have a first-time candidate trying to come from absolutely outside the system and who has succeeded in becoming our nominee and now needs to succeed in unifying the party. we saw h. ross perot come from the outside and get 19% but to come from the inside and unify the party is a tall order and one that donald trump has to keep doing what he did in that prepared speech and not what he's done at times. >> the maine senator susan collins is thinking about supporting hillary clinton over donald trump. should more republicans follow? should they go out and say they can't support trump and vote for hillary clinton? what does the party do? does the party have a plan to combat that? >> well, i view all of us as americans and if any american, be it republican or independent, looks at hillary clinton and the clinton operation that has gained net $371 million there at the clinton foundation, pays the family large amounts of money, chelsea alone, $600,000 for money geared leveraging their time in office and her time as secretary of state commingling those activities, i think they make a decision that even if she's never indicted, that this is not somebody you want to give the ability to leverage public power to private gain because clearly hillary and bill clinton and chelsea have been doing that for years now quite successfully. >> it was the new yorker magazine that ryan lizza is reporting in. elizabeth warren, the senator from massachusetts, the democrat, she's doing her best to tie other republicans right now to donald trump. it looks like this is going to be part of the democratic playbook. what do they need to do if they want to get re-elected? >> first of all, you don't run from the principles of the party. you can in fact, differentiate based on your voting record. wolf, i've been traveling around the world and voting in congress on behalf of our nation for almost 16 years. when i go home, i'm not talking about donald trump or even hillary clinton. i'm talking about the work we do in congress and the work yet to be done not the least of which is dealing with the middle east that is falling apart based on the wrong-minded thinking of the last eight years. >> that's it. that's all the time we have. congressman, thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. >> darrell issa of california. tomorrow i'll be sitting down with the 2012 republican presidential nominee mitt romney to discuss, among other things, his opposition to donald trump, his fundraising efforts for the republican party. it's an interview you won't want to miss tomorrow. 5:00 p.m. eastern right here in "the situation room." and coming up, more on the breaking news. a source now telling cnn, the democratic senator, elizabeth warren, could be clinton's running mate. and later, an american who joined isis and then changed his mind ran away from the terror group. he goes before a u.s. judge. be the you who doesn't cover your moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. be the you who shows up in that dress. who hugs a friend. who is done with treatments that don't give you clearer skin. be the you who controls your psoriasis with stelara® just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer. some serious infections require hospitalization. before treatment, get tested for tuberculosis. before starting stelara® tell your doctor if you think you have an infection or have symptoms such as: fever, sweats, chills, muscle aches or cough. always tell your doctor if you have any signs of infection, have had cancer, if you develop any new skin growths or if anyone in your house needs or has recently received a vaccine. alert your doctor of new or worsening problems, including headaches, seizures, confusion and vision problems these may be signs of a rare, potentially fatal brain condition. some serious allergic reactions can occur. do not take stelara® if you are allergic to stelara® or any of its ingredients. most people using stelara® saw 75% clearer skin and the majority were rated as cleared or minimal at 12 weeks. be the you who talks to your dermatologist about stelara®. hi...i'm pamela yellen. you may have read my bestselling book "the bank on yourself revolution". over the last 25 years, i've researched more than 450 financial products. i found that one of the best-kept secrets to help you plan for your retirement is the home equity conversion mortgage. it's a line of credit for homeowners age 62 or older. and it's offered by a company you can trust- one reverse mortgage, a quicken loans company! call one reverse mortgage now to get the details. their licensed experts will tell you if you're eligible, show you the line of credit amount you qualify for, and will send you a free information kit. the home equity conversion mortgage line of credit is even better than a traditional line of credit... because you can make payments if you'd like, but no monthly mortgage payments are required; this program is government insured; and the money available to you increases every year. for example, if your 100,000 dollar line of credit remains untouched, it could increase to 300,000 or more, years later. so the sooner you start your line of credit, the more money you could have access to in the future. i've educated thousands of financial planners -- many are including the home equity conversion line of credit in their client's retirement plans. while this product is good if you need financial help now, it's even better if you want to strengthen your retirement plan for later. it offers a wide range of flexibility for every homeowner age 62 or older. i believe this is a smart financial tool and i recommend that every homeowner who qualifies consider getting one now. call one reverse mortgage right now to get the details, find out if you qualify and get your free information kit. how do robots work? 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this woman, she's a basket case. >> reporter: and then there's the elizabeth warren, the peacemaker. key in helping to unify the democratic party after their fractious primary fight. >> i'm proud to be part of this election and proud of the debate that bernie sanders and hillary clinton have had. >> reporter: warren is known as a progressive superstar with a powerful following, especially among supporters of bernie sanders and seen as essential to help bridge the divide between sanders and clinton supporters. >> elizabeth warren, i think, has been a real champion in standing up for working families and taking on wall street. >> reporter: then there's the question of elizabeth warren, the running mate as clinton starts to search for a vice president. >> i have the highest regard for senator warren. >> reporter: progressive democrats are energized. >> i think two women, whoever they may be, that would be fabulous. >> reporter: intrigued with the idea that not only could clinton call warren up but at the prospect of a an all female ticket. >> i think they would be as good as two men. >> reporter: and warren has been coy when asked about this buzz around her name. she says that she is squarely focused on her job in the senate and at this time she's not looking for another job. wolf? 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>> reporter: we were a few feet as he was led into the court by u.s. marshals. he came in looking thin and scared, gave his family a penetrating glance, then heard charges against him. his family was happy to see him alive, realizing how dangerous his defection from isis was. >> where are you from? >> united states. >> reporter: he is the first american fighter with isis to be captured on the battlefield. he is charged with providing material support to isis, a terror group that officials say he wanted to join, then soured on. >> i didn't really suppor their ideology and that's, at that point that's when i decided i needed to escape. >> reporter: after his dramatic capture by kurdish forces in march, he did an interview with kurdish tv. we don't know whether he was coerced at the time of filming, he talked about how he flew from the u.s. to london, made his way to turkey. while there, met up with at least two women, one of whom helped him get into syria and then iraq. >> i made a bad decision to go with the girl and go to mosul. at the time i made a decision to go because i wasn't thinking straight and on the way there i regretted, i wanted to go back. >> reporter: prosecutors asked if he wanted to be a suicide bomber, he answered yes but thought it was to test his commitment to isis. the isis lawyer downplayed it. >> i have no reason to think he wanted to end his life. >> reporter: when cnn went to his home in march, his father was upset with the media attention. today again he didn't feel like saying much. he graduated in virginia in 2007. a friend from high school says he was a normal teenager who made fun of people who were religious. >> what do you make of this news about your friend? >> it is really upsetting, really sucks, something you feel for his family. just not something that you would ever think would happen. definitely wasn't the type of person, wasn't an angry person, wasn't an outcast by any means. he was just a normal guy, we did normal stuff in high school. >> reporter: tonight, analysts say he could be a gold mine for u.s. intelligence. >> he has interesting information about the recruiting process, training process, other recruits that were there. >> reporter: his attorney would not say whether his client would cooperate with prosecutors or u.s. intelligence. if con investigated, he could get 20 years in prison and $250,000 fine. our analyst says right now he is lucky to be alive. when they catch fighters that try to defect, they kill them. wolf? >> brian, have you found out why he became attracted to isis to begin with? >> reporter: wolf, there's little to indicate what attracted him. prosecutors say he did admit watching several isis videos before he left the u.s., including videos of executions. he told the fbi he gave himself to isis and they controlled him. his lawyer cautioned us today saying that everything is not as it appears in the government's court records and he looks forward to telling their side of it. >> brian todd, thank you very much for that report. coming up, after breaking news, president obama endorses hillary clinton saying he is fired up to join her on the campaign trail. and donald trump is still facing trouble within his own party. some key republican leaders are withholding their support, warning trump to basically clean up his act. this is my body of proof. proof of less joint pain and clearer skin. this is my body of proof that i can fight psoriatic arthritis with humira. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and skin symptoms. it's proven to help relieve pain, stop further joint damage, and clear skin in many adults. humira is the number #1 prescribed biologic for psoriatic arthritis. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. want more proof? 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"may i be excused?" get the new xfinity tv app and for the first time ever stream live tv, watch on demand, and download your dvr shows anywhere. happening now. breaking news. seal of approval. president obama endorses hillary clinton moments after meeting with bernie sanders at the white house. president obama and hillary clinton now scheduled to hit the campaign trail together. can they unify a divided democratic party? delete your account. hillary clinton fires back at donald trump on social media after he slams her presidential endorsement. their exchange foreshadowing what's expected to be a nasty general election fight. can clinton win a twitter war with trump. calming the storm. trump meets with top donors and the gop chairman as he tries to ease growing anxiety among republicans, but the never trump movement is once again gaining some strength. are party leaders gathering a new strategy to deny trump the nomination? to our viewers in the u.s. and around the world, i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room." the breaking news, powerful backing from a one time rival. president obama making a hearty endorsement of hillary clinton. the clinton campaign releasing a video of president obama offering his support saying, and i am quoting now, i'm with her, i'm fired up and i can't wait to campaign with her. the endorsement came just hours after the president met with bernie sanders at the white house in what was described as a very good and positive meeting afterward. sanders said he will continue to compete in tuesday's washington, d.c. primary but also said he will work closely with clinton to stop donald trump from becoming president. the presumptive gop nominee took to twitter to slam president obama's endorsement of clinton. trump is out working to reassure republicans unnerved by his controversy plagued campaign. he met with campaign donors as he faces criticism for racial attacks on a judge in a trump university lawsuit. we're covering all of that and more this hour with our guests, including hillary clinton's campaign chairman, john poe did he say tow. let's begin with breaking news. historic breaking news today. our senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny is joining us. jeff, the president's endorsement of hillary clinton came in a video. >> reporter: wolf, this brings the relationship between barack obama and hillary clinton from rivals to friends full circle tonight. he has been eager to jump into the race from the start and start going after donald trump and now he will do that. bernie sanders just left the vice president's residence a few moments ago after meeting with him privately as well, on a day washington democrats fell into line to focus on the battle ahead. >> i want to congratulate hillary clinton making history. >> reporter: on the sidelines no more, president obama offered endorsement tonight of hillary clinton. >> i don't think there's ever been someone so qualified to hold this office. and i'm with her. i am fired up and i cannot wait to get out there and campaign for hillary. >> reporter: hillary clinton welcoming the news, honored to have you with me, potus, i am fired up and ready to go. united around the idea of stopping donald trump. the president's blessing hours after meeting with bernie sanders today in the oval office. that visit included a walk on the white house colony. usually for heads of state. >> let me begin thanking president obama and vice president biden for the degree of impartiality they established during the course of this entire process. >> senator, welcome back. >> reporter: sanders is returning to a place democratic leaders want him, back on capitol hill, meeting with senate democratic leader harry reid and others. >> i don't think bernie sanders is holding out for anything. i think he is somebody that's interested in changing the direction of the country. >> reporter: it was a day long sign of respect and leverage for sanders after winning 22 states and aggressively challenging clinton. sanders didn't directly address plans to suspend his campaign but did signal he is ready to unite democrats against the presumptive republican nominee. >> needless to say i am going to do everything in my power and i will work as hard as i can to make sure that donald trump does not become president of the united states. >> reporter: trump also taking it all in, tweeting obama just endorsed crooked hillary. he wants four more years of obama but nobody else does. clinton firing back, delete your account. rivals for a year, sanders and clinton will soon come together. >> i look forward to meeting with her in the near future. >> reporter: clinton wants and needs his help, particularly firing up voters as he did across the country. >> i am looking forward to working with him to achieve our common goal which is to defeat donald trump and senator sanders has said he'll work every day every week to see that happen. >> reporter: tonight, wolf, elizabeth warren will add her voice to the democrats supporting clinton. the massachusetts senator has been on the sidelines through the whole race and is eager to jump in. she's already aggressively attacking donald trump and will do so tonight in a speech in washington. sanders stopped short of endorsement himself, but is likely to meet with his former rival soon and get behind that clinton candidacy. the question is whether his supporters that spent the last year behind him against clinton will take queues from sanders, wolf, or go their own way. >> great question. important one indeed. donald trump reacted to president obama's endorsement of hillary clinton almost immediately, mocking it on twitter. phil mattingly is covering the trump campaign. phil, there's still a lot of anxiety about trump. what's the latest? >> as the democratic party moves quickly to come together, the gop is facing struggles. wolf, it is a tension that goes beyond capitol hill, it is governors, state lawmakers, donors. it is a party that desperately wants to shift into general election fight against hillary clinton, if only the candidate will let them. >> reporter: donald trump today huddling with top donors and reince priebus, part of an effort to quell growing unease within the gop. >> i understand the possibility of carrying the mantle. >> reporter: top republicans are on the fence over his attacks of ethnicity on the judge in the class action lawsuit related to the now defunct trump university. >> i hope he renounces what he said, i will be watching as others will, we will see what happens going forward. >> reporter: ohio governor john kasich wary of throwing his support behind trump. >> you don't even sound like you're on the fence. >> no, i'm giving him a chance. >> doesn't sound like it. >> he is trending the wrong way with me. >> reporter: house speaker paul ryan is again voicing frustration with trump's actions, even as he sticks by the presumptive gop nominee. >> do i think these antics are distracting and give us a campaign we cannot be proud of, yeah. i have spoken very clearly about it. i think and hope and believe he can fix this to the point he can run a campaign we can all be proud of. >> reporter: trump is facing very real concern over his ability to launch an effective general election campaign, and whether he can unite the party. >> our party is united, but we are not for hillary clinton. the question is can folks put on a donald trump t-shirt and the reality is it is hard to do that given current rhetoric. >> reporter: leaving some to consider whether avenues exist for a trump alternative, unbinding delegates on the convention floor in july, an unlikely yet now discussed possibility. the talk is only expected to escalate in the coming days as top gop lawmakers and donors meet at a finance retreat organized by gop nominee mitt romney, a vocal trump critic. >> there's plenty of evidence that mr. trump is a con man, a fake. >> reporter: trump allies briefing supporters on capitol hill as the billionaire attempts to steady his campaign after a rocky last few days. >> trump is learning how to be a candidate. beat 16 pretty competent people and now is learning how to be a general election candidate. >> reporter: all this as republican donors long spurned by trump in the primary are now voicing concerns, financial shortfall that will be according to one prominent donor in the hundreds of millions of dollars compared to hillary clinton's operation. trump moved to calm angite in new york, his team laying out an aggressive fund-raising and strategy all for the weeks ahead. and wolf, donor worries are only exacerbated by what's on the other side. the clinton finance campaign has been funded over decades, an organization on the ground for months and already raised $200 million, has more than $30 million in the bank. trump just over $2 million on hand. trump made clear he thinks he is playing by different rules. shortfall or not, his presence alone will help makeup gaps. paul manafort walking out of the meeting with donors put it simply, we'll have enough to win. wolf? >> thanks very much, phil mattingly. let's get more on all this. joining us, the chairman of the hillary for america campaign, former white house chief of staff to bill clinton, john podesto. thanks for joining us. >> nice to be here, wolf. >> now that you have the endorsement from the president, how do you go about capturing the bernie sanders supporters, especially the young people? >> look, we're going to go out, try to campaign, earn their votes and earn their trust and welcome them into the campaign. bernie sanders ran an extraordinary campaign. starting next week we go on the road, talking about how to bring the country together, why it is stronger together, and secretary clinton will be joined by president obama next wednesday in wisconsin. that's part of the process of reaching out to people saying she's got the right ideas, the values, the history to get the job done, to build an economy that's going to work for more people to be inclusive to give people the chance to live to god given potential. we have work to do, we are off to a good start, we are excited about the president's endorsement because he knows her so well and knows she can do the job. >> he was very enthusiastic in that video as we saw. sanders outside the white house after a one hour meeting with the president in the oval office said he would be competing in tuesday's washington, d.c. primary, he is not giving up yet. are you concerned that the longer he stays in the race, less inclined his supporters are to vote for hillary clinton in november? >> well, look, we have never tried to say he should stop campaigning, we respect his right to compete in district of columbia. he wants to make the case, and hillary joins him in that in wanting d.c. to be a state of the union, but the fact is she's the presumptive nominee. she called him tuesday night, suggested they sit down, he agreed to that. as he said today he wants to talk to her about how we take the fight, beat donald trump, and how we build a more inclusive economy that's going to, you know, take on special interests and the economy. they agree on much of the agenda. i think it is time for them to get together and talk about how they can be partners in moving that forward and getting results for the american people. >> we are showing our viewers live pictures of a bernie sanders rally that's scheduled to get under way fairly soon in washington, d.c. you see some of the supporters, a lot of young people there. also seen a lot of anger and vitriol from some bernie sanders supporters, previously senator sanders said it was on clinton's shoulders to unite the party. what is hillary clinton prepared to do to embrace bernie sanders as she moves toward the general election, specifically at the convention? >> well, you know, wolf specifically what she did is call him tuesday to congratulate him on a strong campaign, to suggest they sit down and see whether they can join forces. we have a lot to work out, the platform committee met yesterday and today. when you think about what they're both for, whether equal pay for women, more child care, affordable college, raising minimum wage, they're close together on the issues and compare that to the gulf that exists with donald trump, thinks pay is too high in america, wants to punish women for exercising reproductive rights, climate change is a hoax. i think they have a lot more in common than they have division. obviously when you're a primary campaign, you accentuate the differences, but what they both want to see is an economy working for working people and i think when they sit down and talk that through we'll be able to figure out, have a great convention, bring the party together, and convince sanders supporters that might be skeptical that she's moving in a strong direction. she will get the job done as president of the united states and most importantly keep donald trump out of the oval office. >> i understand, i want to make sure that there are high level discussions going on between the bernie sanders campaign and your campaign. the hope from your side is to have a meeting. when is that going to take place, do you know, between senator sanders and hillary clinton? >> yeah, nothing has been scheduled yet but we're -- i think both sides want to be sure it happens and relatively soon. we are in discussions about that and really is a matter of aligning their schedules. obviously they're both busy people. we're trying to get it done and get it done quick. >> following a meeting assuming it will happen soon, do you expect bernie sanders to do what president obama is about to do, go out on the campaign trail with hillary clinton? >> well, you know, i think we would welcome that. i think if you go back to 2008 after it became clear that senator obama won the pledge delegates, would be the nominee of the democratic party, that's exactly what hillary did. she went out even after that hard fought campaign, endorsed him, asked his name be put in the nomination by acclamation, she campaigned with him, separately, raised money for him. i think there's a lot to be, you know, this is a tough time, kind of been there. i know it's hard for senator sanders and his -- and jane and for his team, but we hope that we can get his full support and that we will do everything we can again to team up the two extraordinary efforts to go and not just beat trump but move the country forward, get the job done that needs to be done for the american people so they can see their wages rise and ensure that everybody can lead a good life if they work hard and play by the rules. >> clearly you hope he follows the hillary play book, what she did for then senator barack obama eight years ago you hope he does for her this time around. john, stand by. we have more to discuss, including a new phase. there's a real twitter war under way 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and then she responded delete your account. then he responded how long did it take your staff of 823 people to think that up. is this campaign going to come down to a twitter war? >> delete your account is joke on twitter and i think we're having some fun with him. but he's one guy who probably should take that advice, you know, he tries to take everything down, tear everybody down, run things into the ground and as she said, she's going to take him on but going to take him on on a plane in which she uses his own words as she did in san diego on national security, will continue to do that to show that he really just doesn't -- he's unfit for the office, doesn't have the character or temperament or the ability, depth, knowledge to lead the country. i think when people stop and think about donald trump in the oval office, the fact that his main skill is to dash off nasty tweets, they're going to think twice. that's why he is having trouble consolidating the republican party and people that took a deep gulp and endorsed him are now having second thoughts. >> a source close to senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts confirmed to cnn she will endorse hillary clinton later today. we're standing by for that. the rnc, republican national committee weighed in with a statement. i will read it to you. by endorsing hillary clinton, elizabeth warren has shown herself to be a sellout, whether the wall street speech transcripts, refuses to release ties to the fossil fuel industry or coziness with big banks. hillary clinton represents everything elizabeth warren supposedly stands against. she wants this endorsement from elizabeth warren, but what's the reaction to this charge from the republican national committee? >> you know, first of all we very much are looking forward to support from senator warren. i am going to let her speak for herself. when you look at wall street plans on the table as independent experts noted, hillary has the toughest plan. she particularly pledged to protect consumer finance protection board which is near and dear to senator warren's heart, she helped create that whole institution. when you look at these republican attack machine over and over again, they level false charges, if you look at where fossil fuel money lined up, it apparently is lined up behind donald trump, at least that's what it looked like when he was in north dakota saying that he would do anything to support them, whereas she pointed to the need to move to a clean energy future, they'll continue to, you know, attack us, throw out charges but we are going to run a campaign focused on moving the country forward, trying to bring the country together, arguing against division, hatred, bigotry as we saw last week when donald trump attacked judge curiel. we are going to try to bring the country together, give a positive foundation for building an economy that's going to work for the american people, so we're used to it. they've been doing it a long time and i'm sure that's their play book. they'll continue to do it. what we need to do is to expose donald trump for who he really is which is basically a fraud and unfit to be in the office and to project what she wants to do for the american people. >> john podesta, thanks for joining us. >> thanks, wolf. tomorrow i sit down with the 2012 republican nominee mitt romney to discuss among other things his opposition to donald trump, his fund-raising efforts for the republican party. this is an exclusive interview. you won't want to miss it, tomorrow, 5:00 p.m. eastern here in "the situation room." coming up, breaking news continuing. will major endorsements including president obama unify the democratic party. plus, growing unease among republicans over donald trump. there's a new effort under way to deny him the nomination. sir,m is growing at an alarming rate. growing fast, you say? we can't contain it any long... oh! you know, that reminds me of how geico's been the fastest-growing auto insurer for 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in the oval office with bernie sanders of the announcement. coming in a video released by the hillary clinton campaign. watch this. >> for more than a year now across thousands of miles in all 50 states tens of millions of americans made their voices heard. today i just want to add mine. i want to congratulate hillary clinton on making history as the presumptive democratic nominee for president of the united states. look, i know how hard this job can be. that's why i know hillary will be so good at it. in fact, i don't think there's ever been someone so qualified to hold this office. she's got the courage, the compassion, and the heart to get the job done. and i say that as somebody who had to debate her more than 20 times. even after our own hard fought campaign in a testament to her character she agreed to serve our country as secretary of state. from the decision we made in "the situation room" to get bin laden to our pursuit of diplomacy in capitals around the world, i have seen her toughness and her commitment to values up close. i see her determination to give every american a fair shot at opportunity, no matter how tough the fight was. that's what has always driven her and still does. so i want those of you that have been with me from the beginning of this incredible journey to be the first to know i'm with her, i am fired up and i cannot wait to get out there and campaign for hillary. >> that will happen starting wednesday in wisconsin. let's get more from cnn political reporter sara murray, joining us, senior political reporter manu raju, washington correspondent for new yorker, ryan lizza, and cnn legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. guys, thank you very much. sara, secretary clinton has the support of the current president and the first lady as well, expected to get endorsement soon from vice president joe biden, senator elizabeth warren, her husband part of that all-star campaign group of surrogates, she's going to have a lot going on for her right now. how will they be used specifically by the campaign? >> that's absolutely right, wolf, it is a big contrast to what you see on the republican side, the fact that hillary clinton has a deep bench of experienced surrogates, willing to go out and hammer home her message. it sends a signal that the party is uniting behind the nominee. this is the opposite of what we see on the republican side, wolf, you see leaders of the republican party hold their noses and say they're going to endorse or vote for donald trump, and as of this week people are saying i don't know if i'm ever going to be able to get behind this guy. sets up a contrast between how parties are trying to come together or not so much after a contentious primary. >> ryan, is this lineup equipped to fight this campaign by donald trump? >> i think that's a tough question to answer. so far no one has been able to figure out how to really go at trump. look, he defeated what was considered by republicans to be the 16 top republicans in the party, right, jeb bush, chris christie, scott walker, bobby jindal, these are the cream dela cream of the republican party and he dispatched of them with relative ease. i would have said no they don't know how to do this up until the speech she gave on foreign policy, figured out how to get under trump's skin and get all the trump lines with humor and seriousness and that was sort of a turning point in the campaign. obviously also came at the same point as his remarks with the judge, but seems like they're fighting with sea legs. now one thing they need to do is unite the democratic party, make sure the sanders base of the party gets behind her. >> raises my next question to you. president obama, senator elizabeth warren are both hugely popular with bernie sanders supporters. how will their endorsement help secretary clinton unify the party? >> clearly they're going to be used to shore up her biggest vulnerability, younger, progressive voters, bernie sanders supporters, people that say they're bernie or bust, can barack obama or elizabeth warren fire up that base, we know that how much do endorsements really matter in this cycle? that's one spoof people are skeptical it will mean much, wolf. at the end of the day i agree with what sara said earlier. this is a contrast with the republican side. the key thing for surrogates is to create the echo chamber. >> trump doesn't have people to do that. >> he doesn't. when you drill home one message from variety of people with a big megaphone, that can have effect. but trump, you know the last several days, what push back has there been against barack obama, coming out for hillary clinton or anything else, there's been nobody on the republican side amplifying that message. >> if anything, there's a unified surrogate like process of condemning trump, of republicans coordinating and saying wait a second, for the sake of the party, we all in unison must condemn those remarks. so that's very rare. >> jeffrey, president obama will be campaigning as pointed out next wednesday with secretary clinton in wisconsin. what type of role do you think he will be playing in the next month or so leading up to the democratic convention in philadelphia at the end of july? what role will the vice president, joe biden play? >> i think the roles have changed over the last six months because the president has become a lot more popular than he was. he is now a lot more valuable in endorsement than he was six months ago. think about the difference in three recent presidents, ronald reagan, george w. bush and clinton. they were not succeeded by candidates of their own party. they were arguably repudiated by voters. barack obama wants to be like ronald reagan, he is at this moment about as popular as ronald reagan was in his presidency, just as reagan was a huge asset to george hw bush, it looks like he will be a real asset for hillary clinton across the country. stand by. we have more to discuss. getting word more top republicans are now saying they're not yet ready, won't be able to support donald trump. much more right after this. you have cancer, explore your treatment options with specialists who treat only cancer. every stage... every day.... at cancer treatment centers of america. learn more at cancercenter.com/experts anxiety over donald trump is roying the party. let's bring back the panel. sara, john kasich said he could absolutely go to the convention and not endorse donald trump and saying it, and i am quoting now, why would i feel compelled to support someone whose positions i kind of fundamentally disagreed with. what are the options for republicans who feel that way? >> i think john kasich is in a bit of a more awkward position because he is the governor of ohio, the convention is in cleveland. donald trump has done outreach, he called john kasich before trump went after the judge, before he went after susana martinez, doesn't look like he has been able to patch things up. i think we have seen a number of republicans say they're going to skip this all together. i think we will see in the next couple weeks whether trump is willing to do this kind of outreach, the one on one phone calls, try to he is swaj concerns. for some people like john kasich, that's not going to be enough. >> jeffrey, house speaker paul ryan called trump's attacks on judge curiel distracting, said he hopes trump can run a campaign people can be proud of. is this setting a bad example now? how do they get out of this? >> it's a hard problem. think about this. this has never happened in the modern era where you have the presumptive nominee of the party who is not supported by very significant part of that party. you have jeb bush, you have the previous nominee for president mitt romney who called him a con man who clearly is not going to support him. i think it is either going to be a disaster or we're going to be in such a new world where the party is essentially irrelevant to the candidate, but that's a tough sell when we do live in a two party system and one party usually is unified against the other. >> ryan, you reported a top republican senator isn't even necessarily ruling out the possibility of voting for secretary clinton as opposed to donald trump. what can you tell us? >> yeah, susan collins of maine, long time moderate republican in an interview yesterday with me was talking about this awful choice that she has before her, talking about how trump's comments about judge curiel were order of magnitude worse than all of the other things that concerned her about trump. now interestingly she had never endorsed trump and still hasn't but she made the point, she pointed out she has a good working relationship with senator clinton, when clinton was in the senate and when clinton was secretary of state and she said it was unlikely but that she would not rule out the possibility of backing hillary clinton over donald trump. that's very unusual. even the most anti-trump, never trump folks, senator ben sass of nebraska or even mitt romney during the primaries, they've said they could never, ever support hillary clinton, so susan collins is in a very different place, she's saying it is unlikely she would support clinton but will not rule it out. as far as i know, that's the only senior republican who is in that camp. >> that's fascinating. ryan doing good reporting for us. manu, among republicans that say they'll vote for donald trump, they're making a clear distinction they aren't ready to endorse him. they said they'll vote for him but won't endorse him. what does it mean for trump's general election campaign? >> means what jeffrey said earlier, a large segment of the republican party, particularly in washington, is not ready to get behind donald trump. i spent this we can talking to vulnerable senators in difficult races. some are okay, others not, kelly ayotte made the distinction she was vote for donald trump but is not ready to endorse him. same with ron jon son, said the same thing. i will vote for him, not ready to endorse him. i don't know what the distinction is between that, but they're trying to say we're not endorsing and embracing all of donald trump's policies. i will say one other thing. ron johnson, during primary season he said donald trump would be good for him, said i would stump with him, like ronald and the donald stumping together. now he doesn't want to say i will endorse him. so a shift. >> it is worth pausing. i consider myself fluent in the english language, i know all the words. the difference between support, endorse, vote for, they're all the same as far as i can tell. the idea that politicians are drawing distinctions where -- you know, english means what english means. >> i think jeffrey, i think the point they're trying to make is they'll vote for donald trump but you won't see them on the campaign trail actively campaigning for donald trump. that may be the distinction they're trying to suggest. guys, stand 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last-minute preparations is simply cutting it too fine. it was meant to be open in july. and without it, guests may spend a lot of the day in jams. that's not going to happen, insists the government. >> we are completely sure that everything will be done. no problem for us. of course, we have 8,000 people working during the days and during the nights. no problem at all. >> reporter: the sound of building is so loud, it's drowning you out. so we still have quite a bit more time to go, right, until this is ready. >> everything is in our schedule. >> reporter: they said the same thing about the olympic park itself. but when we visited when there were 66 days to go, it didn't feel that ready. it's strange to be able to walk straight in from there, right into the edge of the olympic park here. what's supposed to be a pretty secure zone in just a matter of weeks from now. and we're just going to walk down this way to the site of where previously there was one man holding out with his home. deeper and deeper, we went, security sitting by to find the home now demolished, the owner taking a payout and moving. an odd feeling, walking so freely around. this worker told us sometimes security are there and sometimes they're not. living just alongside and ref e refusing to be moved, sandra and maria. they call themselves the resistance and they force authorities to accept they can stay on the land. sandra says she'll soon have all this packed away, ready for the new home the city is building her just next door. that's also on a tight schedule. supposed to be ready, she says, 12 days before the games begin. what does maria think about security? >> translator: it should be like that in every country. we were born to walk freely. i don't know why they came up with so much security. a man doesn't make another one safe. security comes from god. >> reporter: you have to hope they won't be leaving it just up to him, however, to get rio ready in time. nick peyton walsh, cnn, rio de janeiro, brazil. another huge concern for the olympics, the zika virus, spread by mosquitoes and known to cause severe birth defects. some olympic athletes say they won't take part in the games because of the virus. let's dig deeper into this with the director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases, dr. anthony fauci. dr. fauci, thanks for joining us. first of all, is the u.s. government doing enough now to research and fight the zika virus? >> well, we certainly are. as you know, we have an issue of making sure that we get the proper funding to do it. but the nih and cdc are with money that we have taken from other funds, going ahead right now. and doing things such as mosquito vector control, which the cdc and their staff are very, very much involved with, and helping the individuals and the agencies in south america, the caribbean, particularly puerto rico. but brazil also. and we are in the process of developing a vaccine, wolf, that we hope will get into the initial studies to determine if it's safe by hopefully, and i believe it will meet that landmark that we will be there in september of 2016 to get that at least started to determine if it's safe. and then we'll go into a much bigger efficacy study as we get into 2017. so we are really pushing the envelope, both from the cdc standpoint and from the nih standpoint. >> you have been the director over there at the infectious disease center since, what, 1984, a time when hiv/aids was just beginning to emerge in the united states. let me play a news reel clip from the cnn original series "t "the '80s" which documents the fight during that decade. listen to this. scientists at the national centers for disease control in atlanta today released the results of a study which shows that the lifestyle of some male homosexuals has triggered an epidemic. >> bobbie campbell of san francisco and billy walker of new york, both suffer from a mysterious newly discovered disease which affects mostly homosexual men. >> our best guess is that it's somehow related to gay lifestyle. >> i was in the fast lane at one time in terms of the way i lived my life and now i'm not. >> reporter: researchers know of 413 people who have contracted the condition in the past year. one-third have died and none have been cured. >> tell us about the difficulties of identifying and fighting a disease that was so poorly understood at the time back in the '80s. >> that was an extraordinary time, wolf. i, as you know, got involved with that literally right from the very reports that came from the cdc in the summer of 1981 and it was very mysterious and very frightening. we were dealing with almost all gay men who were desperately ill with an illness which we had no idea what the cause was. many of us from the beginning suspected this was a viral disease, but we did not know what it was, because it was a virus we had never seen before. and it really wreaked havoc mostly in the gay community with a lot of suffering and in the beginning there was a lot of inertia in getting things moving and calling attention to this. and there was just handfuls of us that were involved at the cdc, at the nih and some of the physicians in california, san francisco, l.a. and in new york. and then it became clear that this was something that was just the tip of the iceberg. and when the virus was recognized and we had a diagnostic test, it was stunning, wolf, how many people were already infected at the time that we knew that we were dealing with a new disease. >> really amazing. and i want to thank you on behalf of everyone for all the incredibly important work you have done over all of these decades. dr. fauci, thanks very much for joining us. an important note to you're viewers, "the aids crisis" airs right here on cnn. you will want to see that. thanks very much for joining us. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. >> "outfront" next, breaking news. 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political heir. but the president and vice president delivered a one-two punch to republican donald trump. >> the threats are too great. the times are too uncertain. to let donald trump as president of the united states. >> the donald is not really a plans guy. >> this guy doesn't have a clue about the middle class. >> he's not really a facts guy, either. >> only one person in this election who will help you. >> i ask you to do for hillary clinton what you did for me. >> she's always there! she's always been there! >> i ask you to carry her the same way you carried me. >> god willing, hillary clinton will write the next chapter. >> there has never been a man or a woman, not me, not bill, nobody, more qualified than hillary clinton to serve as president of the united states of america. the president and vice president overshadowing at times the newly minted vice presidential nominee. introducing himself to america, senator tim kaine offered an opening to republicans unhappy with their nominee. >> any party that would nominate donald trump for president has moved too far away from his party of lincoln! and i tell you, if any of you are looking for that party of lincoln, we've got a home for you right here in the democratic party! >> a lot to talk about this morning, including the big speech tonight from hillary clinton. with me here in philadelphia, chris jansing and steve kornacki, along with nbc senior political editor, mark murray. friends, thank you for being with me. steve, let me start with you. what struck out at you yesterday during this day of sometimes really emotional speeches? >> yeah. i thought actually joe biden's speech probably stood out the most to me. it was a -- an impassioned speech. i think by his standards, a little more concise than we're used to. but he really had a message he wanted to deliver about the middle class. a message aimed at working class voters. and i think that's something, as i was listening to the speech, it struck me, it was wednesday night, after 9:00. and it was the first time we had really seen a featured speech at this convention this week, going after those blue collar voters. and some of the polling out this week that shows donald trump polling, even with even slightly ahead of hillary clinton. what he's doing it with, blue collar, white voters. big numbers with him, bigger than we have seen from republicans. so there is a weak spot there for democrats and i think joe biden might have started to address that. >> do you think that it was, steve, unusual, that he was really the only one addressing that? >> yeah. i mean, i think it's -- this is the party. if you go way back, if you're going back a couple generations, fdr's party, the new deal party, this was all about economic populism, all about getting union voters, getting working class voters. i think the first two nights, there were a lot of messages about sort of social liberalism, social activism, a newer generation of democrats that are coming up. they're motivated, it seems, more by those issues. but you think of those older blue collar voters in a pennsylvania-ohio states, critical states where trump is running pretty well by now. joe biden speaking to them. >> and president obama was really in his element last night. he can deliver a speech like very few politicians can. he was really, i think, effective at talking about donald trump, someone who he says is not even really a republican. let's listen to some of this. >> does anyone really believe that a guy who spent his seven yea 720 years on this earth who showed no regard for working people is suddenly going to be your champion, your voice? if so, you should vote for him. if you want someone with a life-long track record of fighting for better wages and a bigger voice for workers and stronger regulations on wall street, then you should vote for hillary clinton. >> so you think it's going to be more effective to separate trump from the republican party, or make trump the republican party? >> well, you know, it's interesting. i think the point that a lot of democrats have been making, and we heard it from the president, as well, that this is not the republican party. you heard what tim kaine said. so far away from the party of lincoln. what they're saying is, we can be respectful of each other and disagree. this guy is just off the reservation. he's off of any reservation that politics knows. that's what they want to push. and they also want to push, and i think steve hit on a key point here. when you look at the states that are really going to be contested, like ohio, no republican is going to win the presidency without winning ohio, the trump organization sees an opening with those white working class voters, the traditional union voters, the families of those voters, who whether or not they're still in unions, still feel that draw, but also who have not felt the effects of this recovery. that's something that the clinton camp knows. they know they're going to have to fight back against that and that's a lot of what you heard last night. >> the president in the sound bite we heard there is talking, if you really believe he is of champion of the working people, you're wrong. interesting that they would have to -- the democrats, kind of point that out. >> absolutely. because that has been their core constituency for so many years, and as we have seen, sort of the decline of unions. we have seen the fight for working class. and i think one of the really interesting things here too is that it also speaks to some of the suspicion of hillary clinton. does she really mean it. so you had bernie sanders, who attracted a lot of people with his $15 minimum wage, and it took a big push and shove, almost, for hillary clinton to get on board for the platform committee to get on board with that. and so there are still those voters who they know that people like bernie sanders have talked about it aren't convinced that hillary clinton is going to do it. in spite of the fact that donald trump has been all over the place. now he's, what, for a $10 minimum wage? we're not sure. >> a couple different positions. >> and bring in the tpp issue, which, by the way, we saw a lot of signs up, no tpp yesterday. mark, looking at the contrast between last night and what we saw in cleveland last week, what do you think of the strategies here? >> yeah, jose. after trump concluded his remarks last night, it was very clear that republicans last week in cleveland made a fundamental mistake, really not channelling a nod at the hope and optimism, that you usually have, particularly for winning campaigns and candidacies. last night, many republican commentators and operativeses ended up saying it was obama who grabbed the mantle of ronald reagan and republicans did not. they abandoned that. that donald trump's remarks were not the hopeful, cheery, reagan optimism or even the george w. bush compass natt conservatism. and that gave barack obama to seize that and have a contrast with republicans. and it is typical, in my experience, covering american politics that usually the more cheerful, the party that is smiling, the candidate smiling, is one that typically wins. >> and interesting, mark. you know, i guess if you're tim kaine and you want to introduce yourself to the majority of the united states people, it's not good to be sandwiched between joe biden and barack obama. i mean, it's just like -- how do you get your message out there when you have, you know, pretty good speakers before and after you, but he did have some kind of memorable lines. and i want to go through some of them. let's listen to some. >> my son nat deployed with his marine battalion just two days ago. he deployed overseas to protect and defend the very nato allies that donald trump says he now wants to abandon. >> how effective do you think he was? >> jose, you're absolutely right that it's almost mission impossible to be sandwiched between vice president joe biden and president barack obama. and that was the whole convention organizer's plan. tim kaine was really never featured to dominate wednesday night. but where i do think he was able to be effective, at least on the tv screen, was just kind of your average joe, smiling guy. very different than joe biden. but really kind of tapping into that suburban dad ethos. so many people on twitter last night were saying, having this suburban dad meme for him. but essentially, tim kaine, when i've seen him since 2005, when he won the gubernatorial election in virginia and also when he won the senate race in 2012, is that tim kaine is someone who almost kind of kills you politically with kindness and tim kaine was really starting to draw himself as that smiling candidate, a little corny, maybe a little hokey, but somebody who can be able to get in a different type of attack on donald trump. >> and steve, i think that one of the things that clearly the clinton camp thinks he can be helpful with is the latino community. i mean, you know, right after the announcement where he spoke spanish, he gives that one interview with hillary clinton on "60 minutes" but then the next interview he gives is on spanish language tv and yesterday sprinkled in his speech was spanish and talking about what he learned in some of the lessons he learned. >> and in particular, keep in mind, last night we're in philadelphia. but when they announced tim kaine as the vp, where did they hold the rally? >> miami. >> when we look at the electoral college scenarios, we can talk about donald trump being very competitive in the rust belt, real shot in ohio, real shot in pennsylvania. even if donald trump has a lot of success in the rust belt, it is really hard to look at that map and see him getting to 270 if he can't get florida. and so i think that's part of the thinking for democrats here. to have tim kaine down there giving the kinds of interviews you're talking about throughout the fall, spanish language media in florida. >> so you think, chris jansing, we'll be hearing a lot more from tim kaine in he is upon o? >> i don't think there is any doubt about that. and, look, you cannot -- you cannot see a path for a republican without winning florida. and already, you have the obvious with donald trump. which is i'm going to build this great big beautiful wall, i'm going to deport 11 million people. we're going to keep muslims out of the country. i mean, all of those things, and yet i think there is still a way for tim kaine to be used in very particular ways, and i think the spanish language is going to be very strong for him. look, i've had hispanics say to me, including people who lead groups, i think it's disingenuous to think that just because somebody speaks spanish, we're going to support them. but there is that connection that he is able to make in certain parts of the country. >> chris jansing, steve kornacki and mark murray, thank you for being with me this morning. appreciate your time. and coming up, donald trump's campaign does damage control as a republican nominee tries to walk back his call on russian to find hillary clinton's e-mail. he asked russia to do that. but first, president obama takes on donald trump's convention declaration that he alone can fix the country's problems. >> we're not a fragile people. we're not a frightful people. our power doesn't come from some self-declared savior promising that he alone can restore order as long as we do things his way. we don't look to be ruled. 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>> of course i'm being sarcastic. but you have 33,000 e-mails deleted and the real problem is what was said on those e-mails. you take a look at what was said on these e-mails, it's disgraceful. >> yesterday when our katy tur asked trump to reconsider what he was saying, here's what he told her. >> reporter: do you have any qualms about asking a foreign government, russia, china, anybody, to interfere, to hack into a system of anybody in this country? >> it's up to the president. let the president talk to them. >> does not that give you pause? >> no, it gives me no pause. >> let me bring in congressman adam schiff, ranking member of the house intelligence committee. great to see you. >> great to be with you. >> what's your reaction to all of this? >> i think it's just astounding that you have a major presidential candidate, one of the nominees of the parties, calling on a foreign power to hack into his opponent's campaign. i don't believe for a minute that he said that in jest or sarcastically. he fully meant it. then doubled down on it and now is trying to back off on it. the reality is, you never know where the guy stands. and i think this is the problem when you nominate a reality tv performer to be president. >> now what he is calling for is for the russians to find something that was already deleted, and that i guess the fbi wasn't able to pick up, right? >> yes. and the way the federal system works, you're allowed as a federal employee to remove your own personal e-mails. every federal ploe, not just the secretary of state, every employee has the ability and responsibility of separating their work and nonwork e-mails. >> what is personal e-mail and what isn't, though. >> the federal employee themselves is entrusted with that responsibility. >> do you think the russians did this? >> well, i can't speak to any of the classified briefings we've had. but the russians certainly have the means. they're one of the most capable cyber actors in the world. they are a history, particularly their adversaries, and here they have such a clear motivation. here in trump, they have a candidate who belittles nato, says he made an honor the security to the baltics. says he may support a repeal of the sanction on russia. >> who has expressed admiration for russia in the past. >> absolutely he has. and it's astounding. >> aren't the russians the same people that kind of went into the state department, went into even some of the lesser, you know, high classifications at the white house some time ago? >> i think all i'm permitted to say at this point is what the director of national intelligence said, there is a history of russia hacking both to our official agencies, as well as -- >> i'm wondering, congressman, is there a possibility of the famous reset button with russia? can you reset relations with a government that is hellbent on doing things like what possibly they did? >> no. i don't think you can. you certainly can't while putin is in power. that's just not his nature. and i think bush made the mistake of thinking he could look into putin's eyes and see his soul. >> was it a mistake for hillary clinton to press that reset button on russia? >> it wasn't a mistake to try and i think she recognized very early on, he wasn't interested in resetting the relations and it's even more apparent now. i think the only thing you can do with russia is demonstrate strength. push back hard, let putin know there will be a cost for his foreign aggression. and this is exactly the opposite of what trump is doing. what he is doing is encouraging this kind of -- >> what kind of cost should there be for -- you know, invading parts of ukraine for trying to destable countries, for supporting the dictatorship in syria and so many other things. >> well, in ukraine, i think we have had a more forceful response. i think we should have been providing defensive weapons to ukraine. we made a commitment to ukraine, as did russia, that if they disarmed, they got rid of their nuclear weapons when the soviet union broke part, we would defend their territorial integrity, ensure it. so i would like to see more robust economic support. i would like to see stronger economic sanctions against russia. i would like to see defensive weapons for ukraine. >> promise europeans won't go for that. >> it's hard, although secretary clinton has a history of being able to build strong international coalitions. >> what a pleasure to see you. thank you for your time. >> great to see you. coming up, dejavu all over again. chelsea clinton, a former first daughter we all watched come of age in the white house, returns to the stage tonight. chelsea in an exclusive interview about tonight's speech, and more. >> there is so much discussion about what your dad would be called if your mom becomes the next president of the united states. have you talked about it at home? 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that people don't know chelsea, because your mom, your dad, your family, they have been in the public eye for decades. what don't we know? >> well, i hope to convey even just a small sense of why i am so proud and grateful to be her daughter. why i am grateful for the example she set for me as a mom. you know, i hope that people will just get a sense of why i'm so proud to be standing -- >> so it's going to be a deeply personal speech. this is not going to be a speech that's going to try to separate her from donald trump? >> no, i mean, i'm going to talk as her daughter. i'm an only child, so it's a unique position that i have. and i just hope that people understand even a little more when i'm done than when i started about why i love her so much and admire her so much. >> you know your mom as well as anyone. and yet you hear the things that are said about her all of the time. lack of trust. people have very negative comments. her negative ratings are high. there has to be a disconnect in your mind between the person you know. how do you explain the disconnect? 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>> absolutely. the president, one, for him i think there are two motivating factors. one, to help a fellow democrat get elected. actually, three, get a fellow democrat get elected. get this particular democrat elected, hillary clinton, a former rival he has come to admire and respect, having appointed her secretary of state. and then the third motivation is protecting his legacy, meaning protecting all of the gains that he has made in the eight years of the presidency. because his role in the campaign is to remind the base and independent voters that everything that they liked about his presidency, everything that he's been able to accomplish, could be basically overturned on january 20th, 2017. >> interesting, jonathan, someone with that kind of charisma, with that kind of power, to move people, president obama. how do you transfer that into hillary clinton? >> well, i mean, you try -- you send him into those places where the affection for him and admiration for him is high. so we're talking -- communities of color. you send him into big cities, you send him into the southern states, where the african-american vote is huge, and the only way that hillary clinton is going to win is if there are -- if the african-american and latino vote are huge. if they come out in big, big numbers. that's how she is going to win. that's where he will be of huge benefit. both he and the first lady -- and let's not forget vice president biden and senator kaine, dr. joe biden. she has a lot of people who can go into lots of different communities to make up the coalition that's going to push her into the white house. she hopes. >> but, you know, i would argue, jose, it's also a problem for her in that she cannot appear to be running for president obama's third term. >> why not? >> because over the course of history, two it terms of the president is typically seen as enough. it's very rare that a president -- >> this president has 50-plus. >> that's true. and everything that jonathan said is true. that he can target those constituencies that are still very receptive to him. but this is still a changed election for a lot of people. people looking for something else. that's why we saw the potency of the bernie sanders voters out there. we still do in that hall. yesterday they were still out there, they were yelling "no more war" at leon panetta. they are not done with this argument. there are people out there, even in the democratic party, who are not 100% behind hillary clinton. so she needs to make a case that yes, she's going to continue the best parts of the obama legacy, but she is her own candidate, she is her own woman and she's going to get out there and make the party better. make the country better. president obama said that in his address last night, said there are still things to be done here. we're not done, i didn't finish it. >> we're looking as we're speaking here, there's a walk-through of senators. >> elizabeth warren. >> tammy baldwin. these are the women democratic senators. barbara mikulski. cool. >> let me ask you a little bit -- beth, i guess i want your thoughts on this. our own joe -- on "morning joe," the "washington post" op-ed by joe scarborough, on a day when the national committee scheduled a long list of all-star speakers, six of the headlines were on the bizarre invitation to break into hillary clinton's e-mail accounts. i'm just wondering, is any publicity good publicity? >> that's always been trump's gamble. he did that so deliberately, ro rose. everybody's eyes have been out of philadelphia. so he jumped in. bam, had to grab the attention and sure did it with that suggestion that russia get involved and go after hillary clinton's e-mails. he did that so deliberately, knows how to play the media better than any candidate has. >> it's such a stark contrast than what we're seeing here. but what resonates with people in the long-term? >> i think what will resonate with people in the long-term is once we're into the general election, it's going to come down to do they like the person who has a lot of political baggage, but who is stable, who is sure and clear and is about moving forward, even inincremently or are they going to go with the person who seems erratic, irrational or some people might question whether he's crazy, loosely speaking. given a lot of the things that we have seen in this week. i mean, i thought -- i was doing a panel at ndi, lots of ambassadors to the united states who live in washington. and when we came off, someone said, did you hear the news, donald trump said russia should hack the state department so that they could get the rest of clinton's e-mails. i thought, wait. this isn't the onion? -- >> right. >> i think it's a cumulative effect of the sort of crazy headlines. >> yeah. on the other hand, some -- you know, there are some that say crazy is the establishment, right? so they'll always point that out. >> i would argue that was what may mayor bloomberg said last night, to go with the not crazy. >> thank you for being with us. great seeing you. after three days of milestone speeches from the country's reigning top democrats, hillary clinton takes the stage tonight to accept her historic nomination. so what does she need to say and how does she need to say it, carrying the torch forward? we're talking about that next, right here on msnbc. ♪ and these are the lungs. 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"it takes a village." and really lay out for americans her vision of this country. that we've got to reject fear. we've got to reject scynicism. we've got to stand together. >> and that's the theme of tonight, right? >> yes, yes. >> but i'm wondering, for someone -- and president obama, you know, referenced it. for someone who has been in public service and in the public eye, for 40 years, right? how do you try and reintroduce someone who has been introduced and reintroduced for 40 years! >> you know, we're not -- >> that's more than a generation. >> you know, we're not trying to reintroduce her. what we're trying to do is give people an insight into really what she has been fighting for for all of those 40 years. >> what haven't we been exposed to? >> you know, jose, it's interesting. i travel with hillary a lot. and i talk to a lot of people on the road about her. and you know, people know the big jobs that she's held representing this country. they know she served as secretary of state, she was first lady. but a lot of people, especially young americans, don't know about her life before that. they don't know that show started out her career in public service as a children's advocate. and the fights that she's taken on her entire life for american families. so we have spent this week having people who know her, who respect her, who have seen her work up close and personal, out there talking about the real difference she's made for them. >> i remember eight years ago, speaking with her on telemundo, in spanish. she doesn't speak spanish, but i asked her in spanish. and bringing up fact that 30 years ago, she was working with the latino community to register people. >> she was. >> but you know what, cristina, the people -- and you know the hispanic community is the fastest-growing community in the united states, youngest in the united states. what happened 30 years ago, not necessarily affects or impacts their lives. >> absolutely. so tonight you're going to hear her talk about the work she has done before, just so people know what she has always cared about. the fights she has taken on. she's going to be talking tonight about what's at stake in this election. and what she would do as president to make a real difference in people's lives. you know, latinos have so much at stake in this election. from immigration to health care to education. and she's going to be talking about what she really would do as president. >> so important you mentioned that latinos don't just care about one issue. >> yes. >> but that issue is of importance, and deep importance for them. and eight years ago, president obama promised immigration reform. here we are 2016, nothing like it. and as a matter of fact, the other side is talking about building a wall. so my question is, how do you get people to get behind a candidate who they think is part of the establishment that maybe has said they were going to do things and they just don't get it done? >> you know, i think it was really important, what president clinton said about her on tuesday night when he gave that really moving speech about who she is, and hillary known for all of these years. this is a person who is a change-maker. she takes on tough fights. she doesn't back away when you can't make exactly the progress you want. she has said it is her goal to get comprehensive immigration reform within the first 100 days she is president of the united states. this is someone who doesn't give up. she keeps fighting, keeps fighting. >> thank you very much for being with us. >> thank you. >> good to see you. >> thank you. >> appreciate your time. final preps under way at the wells fargo center for tonight's big night at the dnc. and as we have been mentioning, tim kaine made his main stage debut last night. not in one, but in dos languages. >> because what listo means in spanish is this. it means prepared, it means battle-tested. it means rock solid, up for anything, never backing down. and friends, hillary clinton, she's lista! hillary clinton is lista! 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side of her. she's got to let people -- she's got to take the -- she's defensive sometimes. which she -- i can understand. it's rough living in the public eye. you but i think it's important people see that side of her. and bill clinton said, a side people will see never quit. >> how do you open up when 40 years you've had access to people and people have known you and seen what you do. >> you know, it's been interesting this week, because there is story after story of people who have stories like i do. i could give 25 of them when john was in intensive care and people thought he was going to die two years ago, she was the first person in intensive care, are you okay, do you need anything. i think she is becoming more comfortable. in the role of who she is and understands the importance of it. and it's up to people like me to help tell the story of the woman huh that i've known for three decades. >> one of the most passionate speeches came from vice president joe biden. here's part of what he said. let's listen. well, we don't have the sound. but among the things that he said is everybody knows she is smart. everybody knows she's tough. but i know she's passionate. how do you convince people that someone as passionate when they don't maybe sense that. >> well, i think you're going to see the passionate side of hillary clinton during this campaign. i mean, when she talks about children's issues, i remember she and john worked very closely on health care. and when it didn't work, neither of them gave up. she was as tenacious as any person. and that's why we have children's health insurance in this country. that was her tenacity. she's got to talk about it more, and trade. now she has personally promised me, she will be in michigan often. telling the story of how she will fight for -- against tpp, and for the american worker. and you know, i want to say this. it's going to be an issue in michigan. she is competitive. but i think that when the union worker hears her and they will believe her, and then they learn that donald trump opposed the auto bailout and he doesn't walk his talk, he talks a good game. but how many people don't realize, he's producing his shirts and his ties in china. >> very quickly. the -- this week when mcauliffe said, well, if there are some changes on tpp, she could end up supporting it. that's not someone who doesn't know her. that's not someone not close -- >> i'm also someone who knows her and i was furious at terry. i'm not going to mince words. i talked to john poe defendanto that night. and he put out a word. i've talked to john and others since then. and she has personally promised me she will be in the state and that she -- i couldn't support her. as much as i love her, if i thought for one minute she would do anything to support tpp, i wouldn't be supporting her. >> congresswoman, thank you very much for being with us. a pleasure to see you. >> same with you. celebrities have also come out for the dnc, delivering 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perez, who explained why she is with clinton. you've been a hillary supporter from the get-go. >> yes, i have. >> why? >> well, i believe in her platform. initially, i didn't believe what every component of her platform. but i ft that she was the right person to become our next president. and i appreciated bernie. i appreciated his point of view. but i'm also a realist, and i knew deep down in my heart that america was not ready for someone who had such deep socialist ideals. we're not a socialist country. that said, i think it has been fantastic, how he has pushed hillary. for instance, one of the issues i didn't totally agree with her was the $12 minimum wage. i even did a video for "fight for $15" and i believe bernie and supporters and surrogates pushed her to $15, and she's there now. and that's a democratic process. that's how it should be. you know, and that's the kind of president we should want to have in office. that listens to people. and says, you know what, you're right. she didn't cave. she took her time, she listened. and she said, you know what, you're right. let's shoot for the moon on this one. >> you told nbc latino that compared to how you grew up, hillary clinton grew up, even though she grew up middle class, it was like being a millionaire compared to how you grew up. and since the clintons left office, you know, they have made more than $100 million. do you think she can actually understand the plight of those that don't have the money or even the access to growth in this country? >> i do. and the reason why i do is that early in her career, you know, her degree could have afforded her any type of lifestyle, any type of career. and what she chose to do was fight for children. what she chose to do was fight for medical rights, medical benefits for all here in this country. what she chose to do was fight for women's rights. and she went out into the streets and met people and show they were living, how the need is out there in america and she's continued to do that. so, yes, i'm a child from the foster care system, from the child welfare system, from abject poverty. but yet she has met this person. she has met children who are experiencing that today, throughout her career. and so she does understand. yeah, she won't understand completely, you know. i mean, when i say i was poor, i mean, like, we were on the waiting list for the projects. so that's poor. you know. >> projects was something you looked forward to. >> yeah. >> conversation with rosie perez. and that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. thank you for the privilege of your time. my colleague, tamron hall, joins me right now. tamron. ♪ good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall, coming to you live from historic independence mall in philadelphia! on the final day of the democratic national convention. we are just steps away from independence hall where the
in for trump. >> hillary has so much stuff against her, i don't know how anybody can vote for her. >> and another where everybody is for clinton. >> i don't understand how people are voting for him. >> and just how divided are we? joining me e for insight and analysis are hugh hewitt from the salem radio network, joy reid of msnbc, chris is a lizza of the washington post and kristen welk of nbc news. welcome the sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> and every week we say it is true, and there has never been a week like this in american politics and there were times that we weren't able to come up with the women coming forward saying that women had been groped or harassed by donald trump. and there was some trouble that that as the trump campaign began to uk bl under the new allegations, republicans feared that trump's troubles would me tas ta size and take out the ballot republicans threatening the party's hold on the senate and perhaps even the house. but we have a new indication of just how dire things have become for trump. in our new nbc news "wall street journal" poll out right now, hillary clinton leads donald trump in a four-way race by ten points among registered voters 47/37 and if you are limit it to the just likely votersk check this out, clinton's lead actually grows to 48/37 before likely voter models would actually help trump, not in this case. but there is a sill sr.er ver lining for republicans in this poll that it may have be a congress where democratic lead has snapped back to just two points, 46/44. a week ago it ha had just opened up to seven. these numbers come before a head-shaking week when trump was under constant assault and seemed to be at war with just about everyone. >> in the face of more accusations of sexual assault, trump is lashing out. nine women have come forward. jessica leeds says she sat next to trump on a plane in 1979. >> when he started by putting his hand up my skirt that was it. that was it. >> kristen anderson says that she was saulted at a club in new york in the 1990s. >> the person to my right un unbeknownst to me at that time was donald trump put their hand up my skirt. >> "people" magazine writer natasha stoynoff was interviewing the trumps at 2005 at mar-a-lago, and she says quote, i turned around within seconds he was pushing me up the wall with forcing his tongue down my throat. summer zervos a former contestant on the apprentice alleges trump forced himself on her in 2007. >> i pushed his chest to put space between and he said come on man, get real. he peted my words back to me. get real as he was thrusting his genitals. >> nbc has not independent ly confirmed the allegations and trump has firmly denied them. instead attacking his accuserers >> they have no witnesses, and there's nobody around, and they just come out, some of are doing it for probably a little fame. >> even suggesting that they should not be believed because they were not attractive enough for him to assault. >> believe me, she would not be my first choice. they can tell you. >> and he blamed the media, blamed the clintons and he has even blamed a mexican billionaire. the trump campaign has pushed back on all of the allegations, offering a british man who says it is was jessica leeds who was being flirtatious on that flight. two years ago the same witness anthony gilberthorpe made headlines after claiming he'd supplied underage boys for sex parties the attended by british cabinet ministers. and trump released a statement on summer zervos, writing i nef met her at a hotel or greet ed her inappropriately a decade ago. in fact, she continued to contact me for me help. all of the these allegations led to a passionate speech by first lady michelle oobama who rarely weighs in to partisan politics this deeply. >> i can't stop thinking about th this. it has shaken me to my core in a way that i could not have predicted. >> on thursday i sat down with vice president joe biden as a union hall in las vegas where he was campaigning in an attempt to help. >> clark: lock down the it is the of nevada. i began by having the vice president about those accusations of sexual assault against donald trump. >> why didn't he get the benefit of the doubt from these accusers? >> well, in his own words, i don't, i don't have to go to the accusers. when a man says that he said is a textbook definition of sexual assault. i mean, it's a textbook definition, and the thing is that, it makes it so believable that he engaged in that kind of activity is just not that he said it, and but his sort of -- instinctive abuse of power. he acts in the private sector, and he acts in the way that he treats employees. and it, you know, in that, you know, i live in the penthouse, i'm a billionaire. i'm a star. ki do whatever i want. and that's the most disturbing piece, you know. my fa h ther used to say the greatest abu is the power of power, economic power, political power, physical power. and this is not a guy that should be be representing the united states in any way. >> do you think it is not disqualifying for even more voters yet? >> i don't know how deeply it's sunk into the consciousness. i don't know that you know we think that something gets this once, twice, ten times, a thousands time over. most people are just trying to figure out how the put bread and butter on the table. i, i i don't know. i think it's sunk in though pretty deeply. and it's the dynamic around the country in a pretty substantial way so far. >> we have a coarse culture that is given this a permission slip? >>. >> this is a new level. and i was helping my daughter with, my granddaughter, my, she's a senior in high school. and with a paper last night. and she started asking me questions. she's a bright, bright young woman. i was embarrassed. i was embarrassed to even i have four granddaughters and i mean, i was embarrass ed that this is and this is even being discussed -- >> what's the lesson for men? i've heard a lot of people say as the father of two daughters or three e daughters or, what's the message to young men or young boys? >> i did this virtual town hall meeting with thousands of students. and i ask them to go to the a website and tell us, and how would you do to better protect them? you know, that was overwheming answer was? get men involved. and the vast majority of men don't share the view of donald trump. i played, it was a pretty good athlete in high school, college. i don't ever remember that kind of locker room talk, never. and you might have a guy say, boy, look at that, or maybe make some comments like that. and but the idea that she let mes do anything because i'm a cel celebrity is just stick s. and what's, what's wrong is, we have to change the whole culture here, and that no man has the right to touch a woman, to raise a hand to a woman, to abuse a woman for any reason. we actually had case, and i got federal law passed, judge asking a woman, well, you were in the bar. did you, were you wearing underwear? how short was your skirt? what the he will, l difference does that make. no man has the right to touch a woman. >> the last time we really impacted our politics was clarence thomas and an knee ta hill. >> yeah. >> and anita hill did an interview earlier this year, she express ad little disappointment in you. >> yeah, she -- >> and -- >>. >> she did. >> and what was your reaction to that? >> my reaction was that i thought it was unfair. i vote ed fd for clarence thoma. i believed her. the question was whether or not that she would be to initially, she be able to just make hr complaint without identifying herself. and you can't run a star chamber, you got to do that. it was a very, very tough -- >> anything you'd do different ly? >> no, no. >> you know that donald trump is bringing up everything from bill clinton right now. should that matter? >> no, it shouldn't matter. look, i can't mach any excuse for the bill clinton's conduct. and i wouldn't attempt to make any excuses for the conduct. but he is paid a price for it. he paid a price. he was impeached. and he was -- e expressed his deep sorrow and acknowledged what he did. this guy, as i said, has acknowledged that he has been a sexual predator. and he's acknowledged that he's abuses his power, and that i said that is a textbook definition of what constitutes sexual assault. >> and let's talk to the working class white voter issue and that democrats seem to have. sort of, the people that you have the speak to, biden votes,s and we look, you just look to pennsylvania right now, the 15 counties that make up the northeast pennsylvania, you and the president won it by three points. right now she trails by eight point points. it's clear that there is something, a lack of connectivity there or something with trump, what's your diagnosis? >> you were a friend of my beau's, my son -- >> yes. >> and he was a great admirer of yours. and you know, you and i started talking about him on the air and i might find myself choke up. everybody looks at me and says, well, he's a good father, and well, well, what a decent guy. she chokes up and says, something, you know, for whatever reasons, and she's p y playing the woman card, man. and this is the way that, this is different. you know, this is a different number one. number two, the truth is. i don't think that i'm a broken record of the democratic party on this. i don't think we speak enough to the plight of the family, the husband and the wife making $80, 90, $100,000 a year, two kids that are struggling. you know what they say. i talk to these voters, they sit there and they say, you know what? obama and biden. they worry about the minority group. they worry about the minority group. they worry about these voters over here. they worry about this state. what about h me? >> they don't talk to me. >> that's what i hear. i hear it nor aub when i'm in a water lou, iowa, scranton, pennsylvania. >> and by the way i do, too. and what happens is that they spend so much time dragging the car out of the ditch, and worry aring about going over the cliff, dealing with the people who didn't have enough to eat, but makings sure that people who were able to just hang on, and that's it's not only the that we have got the economy back and wages are starting to raise, rise, and that we begin to focus on what is a large portion in of the h middle-class who's felt like they've been left behind and we don't talk to their needs. >> and you know, if you have lost your home and you are not back in the home, you don't benefit, and if the market and you lost your invest hmt in the market in the 401(k) and it is 18,000, and the guys who made the big money, and not a ka bal ball, and they look around and say, hey, wait a minute. >> i want to go to syria here sh, and i know that you guys are doing a big session next week about what to do. why is there not a no-fly zone over aleppo? is this a -- >> simple proposition. the first first things first. we must defeat isil. we must take out raqqah, and we must take out mosulel. we must eliminate the caliphate. it's the direct immediate threat to the american people. number one. d. d.o.d. has told us from the beginning that the assets we need to be able to do would not have to be edie vert ed. we could not do both. could not do both. that's number one. number two, we in order to do what needs to be done, remember, we tried to get the authority to use force before, and all republicans talked about how tough they were. i spoke to 156 members of the house and the senate for minimum of an hour. groups of two to 25 in the situation room. no support. no support. so i'd asking, okay, they'd say, what happens we send the planes over there, and they got shot down. we have to go in and get them. well, yeah, we have to go in and get them. >> well, let me ask you this. how does syria not become the rwanda of this administration? that you guy loog back and wonder what if? what if? what? >> rwanda was soluble. rwanda was soluble. and this is complicated and we have to deal with the central and the west and the eastern iraq to clear isil. that will fundamentally change. >> so once -- >> the dynamic. >> and mosul is taken care of, you think that the focus can be back on syria and trying to solve this? >> raqqah, too. raqqah is the central -- >> okay. >> -- place where we know plotting is taking place against the homeland. >> uh-huh. >> and in those areas, secondly, russia is in real trouble. they're getting themselves into a real quagmire. and they have serious economic probl problems at home. they're finding themselves dragged into this. the combinationf isille gone, russia is in a totally different place to create a whole lot of additional opportunities. >> so we're not going to regret not going into aleppo? >> no the answer is that we get whenever anyone dies. i regret that we're not doing something about it. and you know, genital mutilation in africa. i regret that there's, there's still a real problems in afghanistan. but there has to be a sense of the humility about what is able to be done at the time. and what we'd doing for the right thing. generating a consensus among the arab countries as to what we should be doing in the region. and at that same time, going after isille to destroy it. >> all right. final question when i talked with ambassador, former ambassador mike mcfaul. >> yes. >> and we talked about the idea that once, you got to respond when you, when they're hacking. you got to do something. he's it in as a high hard one. maybe just -- sort of like in baseball. owe throw a high hard one, and you send a message. why haven't we sent a message to putin? 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>> let me say, chuck, they have tremendous respect for the first lady and her efforts on behalf of the american people for the last 7 1/2 years, but the simple fact is that donald trump made comments in an open mic 11 years ago that he has expressed deep regret about. he is embarrassed about it, and he apologize nod the american peop -- apologize nod american people, and made it clear that it is just talk and he has apologize nod the family and i do believe that this election is of such a enormous magnitude to the american people, it is important to move beyond this issue, and is important that we focus on the need for a stronger america at home, and abroad, and as i traveled across florida this week, and across the country, the people that i am en koucount erring are focused on those issues about really restoring this country, and reviving the economy and that is where we will continue to be focused. >> as you know, donald trump does not want to move off of this issue, and in fact, he said that he has been getting advice say saying that, but instead, he has been responding to every single accusation, and here is what he has said about a couple of the different accusers. >> she is right. she is a liar. she is a liar, and she is writing a story -- check out her facebook page and you will understand. i was sitting with him on an airplane and he went after me on the plane. yeah, i'm going to go after her. believe me, she would not be my first choice. they can tell you. man. you don't know. that is not going to be my first choice. >> and that is friday, governor pence. you just dismissed it as talk, and we have nine accusers coming out since it is just talk, and do you believe it is just talk? >> i do, chuck. what we have this week is a series of unsubstantiated allegations and -- >> they are not unstabs yated and let me stop you there, because they are not unstance yated. >> and -- >> you have first-hand accounts and not proven, but not unsubstantiated and we have a firsthand account, and somebody who disagrees, but they are substantiated, are they not? >> no, they are not substantiated accounts. these are people who have brought back allegations going back decades and donald trump has made it clear that he categorically denies that these things ever took place. but i will have to tell you that it is astonishing to most americans as the unsubstantiated allegations are treated on this network and others that revelations coming out of secretary clinton's years in the state department and the clinton foundation are virtually ignored by the national media and we discovered this week that the state department officials actually directed contracts for the haitian recovery after the earthquake to friends of the clintons. and literally, that got almost no media attention, while, those that step forward with these unsubstantiated claims that donald trump has denied were treated with headline news and continuous coverage. it is one tof the reasons that o many, many americans feel like this election is being rigged by a national media that is constantly trying to change the subject away from and practice willful ignorance towards the corruption, and the misdeeds and the pay for politics deeds of the clintons. >> you really believe that women who believe they were victimized bisexual assault and they come out and they should be ignored, and isn't that the problem of routing out sexual assault in your country is that they are not believed? >> no, i would not disparage any woman who believes that she has had an experience like this, but donald trump has said that the allegations are more categorically false and now more evidence out to challenge those versions of the fact. and the ignoring and the ignorance that is going on here, chuck s the way that the national media is ignoring the avalanche of real hard evidence of corruption during the years of the clinton administration. "the new york times" a few minutes ago post ad story about four in exchange for five minutes with bill clinton the government of qatar was going to give $1 million to the clinton foundation. we know that more than half of hillary clinton's meetings while she was secretary of state were given to major contributors to the clinton foundation, and the haitian government thing, and the speeches about open borders and socialized medicine, and it is getting virtually getting no attention. >> you cited "the new york times." >> and repeatedly denials of donald trump gets all of the attention attention, and the american people soo right through it. >> and the new york times and not a small organization and we have been reporting on this, and the front page of nbc.com, and we will be reporting ob it through the show, but your running mate is the one under fire. and now, for the long time, you used to refer to donald trump as this good man, and you have not done that this week. any reason for the change? >> well, sure i have. sure i have, chuck. the donald trump who i have come to know is a man who loves his family. loves his country, and made a connection to millions of americans, because he has given voice to the frustrations and aspirations of the american people. when you have the president of france over this weekend say that it was because of barack obama's and hillary clinton's foreign policy of moving redlines in syria thatboldened e and take a larger role in syria, that is saying something. the american people know that america has been weakened at home and abroad because of the po policies is of barack obama and hillary clinton and there has to be change. >> and you brought up rush sharks and i know trushsha, do you believe the american intelligence that i is as that russia is behind all of the hacks into the former white house e chief of staff john podesta and the dnc and do you believe the american intelligence community about this? >> well, there is more and more evidence that implicates russia and there should be serious implications about invading the privacy of the american people. >> why doesn't your running mate belief that? >> why doesn't your running mate? >> and this is something that has been spoken on the foreign stage like moving the boundary lines and the resetting of russ russia, and my evidence is that if the evidence is flowing to russia, there are in fact serious consequence and there should be -- >> and gov no, governor, govern governor, you are not answering this question. why doesn't your running mate believe what you believe about a foreign government in russia trying to hack into the american democracy? >> well, donald trump and i believe that we should follow the facts. and america should stand strong and we should stand up for scybr security. he had an entire presentation about his call for a new cyber security task force bringing together some of the best minds in the country to protect america's privacy both our el intellectual and defense infrastructu infrastructure. and look, it is all of the information that is not just flowing out of the wikileaks, and it was abc news, the freedom of information request that uncovered the fact that while she was secretary of state hillary clinton's staff was actu actually directing cop tracts for the haitian recovery effort to friends of the clintons and with all due respect, chuck, the national media is preoccupied with unsubstantiated claims and ignoring a ave lalanche of hard evidence against the clintons. >> well, it is not unsubstantiated, but maybe unproven, but let me ask you a final question on this, and if bill kristol today, and earlier in the week tweeted at what point are you going to feel uncomfortable defending donald trump given that he is now utterly humiliated by the campaign, does mike pence have respect to resign from the ticket? how do you respond to bill kr s kristol? >> well, i accepted this appointment by donald trump because i feel that america is in trouble, and despite the obvious bias in the national media and the ave lalanche of dy attacks against donald trump, i will have to tell you that even this week, the crowds in florida and the crowds in new hampshire and maine yesterday all athe test to the fact that the american people want change. and for me, and my little family, we will continue to stand shoulder to shoulder with this man and fight all of the way through election day and deliver a great victory for america and make america great again. >> will you accept the results of the election? >> we will absolutely accept the results of the election. look, the american people will speak in an election that is going to culminate on november 8th, but the american people are tired of the obvious bias in the national media. that is where the sense of a rigged election comes in, and the more that the media comes in with an avalanche of attacks against my running mate instead of focusing on the real hard evidence coming out about corruption and pay to play and the clinton foundation years is why people are frustrated, but we will find a way to get through november 8th and accept the will of the people, yes. >> and you keep saying, g governor, rigged elections, are you concerned that the more you say it you are undermining the democracy? >> look, one of the great, great parts of democracy is a peaceful transfer of power. and i expect that things are going to be as rough as they are going right into november 8th, because the stakes are so high in this election, but as donald trump said in the first debate, we will accept the will of the people, but from now to election day, we will work our hearts out against all odds and most of you in the national media and we will lay out a story for a more stronger and prosperous america. >> i understand why you want to continue to attack us, but i believe it is misguided. and mike pence, i appreciate your coming on the program. thank you, sir. >> thank you, chuck. >> and now, later in the broadcast, what will the struggles of donald trump have on other races? could the democrats take the house and the senate. as we are going to break, a few clips from "saturday night live." ♪ lau [ laughter ] its way into your day, i hear you. to everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks extraordinarily painful, i hear you. make sure your doctor hears you too! i hear you because i was there when my dad suffered with diabetic nerve pain. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands, don't suffer in silence! step on up and ask your doctor about diabetic nerve pain. tell 'em cedric sent you. welcome back. a lot to digest and the panel is here, and hugh hewitt, and joy reid and white house correspondent kristen welker covering the clinton campaign and chris cillizza from the washington post and wow, donald trump has been tweeting all morn morning and we have a lot the digest quickly and one of them, the polls are close, but can you believe i lost large numb e brs of women's voters based on the made-up of events that never happened. media rigging election. hugh, you have backed away from trump, and how did mike pence defend him this morning? >> i thought that mike pence did a very good job, and i'm a "game of thrones" there, and that is really worthy of davos defending the bad days of his opponent. >> and moreen o'dowd also made a reference to that. >> and it is so news worthy what he said about the department of defense not doing mosul and aleppo at the same time, and it leads to, here we have the worst election in modern times when the greatest crises of the post soviet era are growing and it is a disconnect that is beyond me. >> and the irony is that donald trump, the last thing that he wants to do is to talk about syria. >> and my take away was the end of the interview with mike pence when you asked him if he would accept the election results, and he said, yes, with will. and donald trump is sending out the complete opposite message and trying to lay the groundwork for the idea that the election is rigged. yesterday, the clinton campaign and paul ryan coming out in strong terms saying that the we will respect the results of the elections and the republicans are increasingly concerned that they need to be louder about that so that whatever happens on election day is respected. >> but i think that you also see the struggle within mike pence, because he is trying to, you know, yield to what are clearly the talking points that the candidate wants which is that the election is rigged, because he said that to you and then of course, we will accept it b but he has to sell the idea, and jeff sessions is selling the idea, and for the republican party as an institution, there has to be a righting of the ship, because the integrity of the united states election is so bigger than the candidate. >> and i know he is such a party regulars reject that paul ryan is the north star, but for the average republican voter in the election, he is such a big figure that, and it is so hard for me to imagine that what he says and tweets over the last week, somehow three weeks from now, he is going to say, and i just want to say, i have announced that i have place ad ca -- place d a call to congratulate her, and i have struggled to wrap my mind around it, and it is against his factions, and all those suggest is that he not concede, and the idea ideas that reince priebus and paul ryan say that they concede. >> well, pence may concede -- >> and secretary clinton if she wins may get a call from governor pence. and the tweet that will matter the most when the worst accounts are written is dr. rice, and secretary rice saying enough. and i have enormous admiration for her and she grew up in bombi bombingham and if you want to have an account of an extraordinary american hero, and she tweeted out "enough" and that is resignation no the results in the air. >> and the part of the calculation of the clinton campaign is that they don't want to win, but they want a big win so that the results can't be questioned. they are sending out the e-mails to supporters saying that the it is imperative to come out in big numbers, because we need it to be decisive. >> it is important to note that we tend to say that the clinton campaign and the trump campaign, but what he is running now is not a campaign in any traditional sense and it is sort of the either revenging of avenging against people who he believe has wronged him, media, clinton clintons, republican, or sort of the grievance, and a airing of the grievances. a campaign has a message that you stick to that you have figured out, resonates with the american people and that you believe. he had 19 mes sasages in five minutes over the weekend when he was disassembling the tell prompter and those are eight words that i did not think that i would utter in public and it is not a campaign in any sense. >> so move from the presidential to down the ballot, and the results may be known, and the size of it, but what will the republicans do down the ballot, and right now, the democrats want to go to after trump heavily and they want to distance and this is a new montage of the ads this week. >> i have every intention of supporting the republican nominee. >> portman stood by trump even after bragging about sexual assault. >> would you point to him as a role model? >> absolutely. >> i have a lot of disagreements with donald trump and i have been clear about that, but what is important for pennsylvanians is having a senator who will stand up to any president's bad ideas. >> i have daughters. i have friends. >> for me, it was the final straw. >> and hooug, obviously, every republican tom cole said, it is a bar fight and trying to save every republican no matter what, and some have to distance from trump and some can't damage down the ballot and what you sewing? >> my analyst hat and not the advocate, but the house is very, very secure, and paul ryan is doing a fine job to redirect the resources, but the senate is very close and coming down to nevada on the night of the election as to whether or not. and i believe that toomey is going to -- i'm an outlier. and he works very hard and a wonner can dful guy. >> the problem is that there is a threshold of which the margin of hillary clinton's victory becomes fatal down ballot and like a state of florida, and if she wins of two or three, you can see marco rubio surviving. and you can see more tickets in the polling but at a certain point, the tsunami takes down all of the other candidates, and i don't believe that wisconsin is baked in, and portman is the strongest, but ohio is the least associated with trump, the governor of ohio is not with him. >> and in some the least and most odd ways which i will show you in a moment. >> and the divided america. the part of america that cannot imagine america who could vote for hillary clinton and the other part who does not understand why anybody would vote for donald trump. we will show you that next. welcome back. do you have any welcome back. do you have friends who will vote differently than you are for president? the country is divided by race and culture and people who think exact lu like we do, and we are divided. so we decided to visit two counties to talk to people who cant not imagine that anybody could vote for the other. and one county is to think of starbucks central and this is hillary clinton country. >> i can't understand females that will continue to support him with all of the sexual predatory behavior. >> and the other place was monroe kocounty, ohio, rural, a economically struggling and lots of people who didn't get the opportunity to go to college. this is a place where the people gather for coffee at a mcdonald's, and in other words, this is trump country. >> i don't see how anybody can vote for her. >> and we have a lot more on the visit to both of the counties, and you can see the full report on the website "meet the press" and independent.com, and have more tomorrow. and we will be back with the preview of the third and final debate this week in las vegas. >> and so i would like to the know what you like about him? >> i like the fact that he is so generous, and just this last friday, he handed me the election. we thought fibers that help you stay regular caused unwanted gas. not good. then we switched to mirafiber. only mirafiber supports regularity with dailycomfort fiber. and is less likely to cause... unwanted gas. finally. switch to mirafiber. from the makers of miralax. will your business be ready when growth presents itself? american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com. back now with the panel, and believe it or not, there is a third and final debate. [ laughter ] i want to throw a couple of things out here that we have not gotten to, and one is from the nbc wall street poll to show you the racial divide in the country. among all of the white voters this week, and this is donald trump's worst week yet and look at this, hillary clinton has a higher negative rating, among all white voters than donald trump after this week. i think that tells you that there is a structural, and there is a structure here and there is a floor that donald trump cannot fall through. >> it is literally almost structurally impossible for that to happen, because of the pol polarization of the country, and the feelings about hillary clinton, and whether you think they are justified or not, and they have existed for a long time. and he has a hard floor, and the problem, if you believe the polling is that he has a hard creeling that is about 42%. and the floor and the ceiling are very close to each other, and the floor is 39, and the ceiling at the moment is 42. >> i want to bring up kristen, how the campaign is handling the podesta hack, and the wuk ki le -- wikileaks the conduit here, and we have speeches. if you take them all in totality, she is a calculating politician, and everything that bernie sanders was telling the democrats that she was, and this reinforced what he was saying and thought. >> could vit changed the primary? >> well, it could have, but what is coming out right now is awkward and the campaign is having to answer some thorny question questions. but in terms of dealing with the str strategy, they are pivoting and not acknowledging them. this is the russians trying to mettle in our election and started yesterday that this is like watergate and this is the way of trying to change the conversation, but the problem though with the leaks is that as of yet, there is not a major bombshell, and could there be? >> well, let me stop you, because, joy, i think that the leaks are going to be haunting her with the progressive movement, and they will use these leaks to beat her up when they don't like what she is doing. >> well, i'm in the camp that says that there is nothing rev la toir, and she is a politician, and no kidding and because a lot of them are around the figures that most americans don't know who john poe ddesta sidney blumenthal r and so sort of having a catty conversation around that is how campaigns work. and could they bring up the core centrism, and hurt her? well, maybe, but in the end, she got the support from overwhelming support of african-americans and it would have happened if they came out now or earlier. >> and so i did have a clinton suppo supporter admit to me, and they said that they won the primary, but they lost the campaign. >> and they did lose the campaign, and the russian shack very troubling. and if in fact the russians drop her private e-mails, the race could turn again, and what governor pence said about the haitian leak is criminal wrongdoing, and it is not from the russians, but a foia, and if they directed aid to friends of bill, that is going to haunt her into the term. and you cannot rule out donald trump, and if the russians drop her private e-mails, she is compromised as a national security leader, wait and see. >> and the one thing that i return is the way that you started earlier in the show, chuck, which is talking about trump's tweets. he continues to be by far, and he, and the case that you heard hugh hewitt make, and have you heard donald trump make a case that concise and to the point? and why? because he is constantly inflicting self-wounds and tweeting about things, and tweeting about the random cultural events, and tweeting that he cannot make this story about her. the more it is about her, and the case over and over again, the e-mails or the clinton foundation or the other state department and the more it is about her, the worse she does, and the more it is about him, the worse he does. >> but you can't get away from the fact that when you are talking about the russians and the russian leaks, this is a narrative that the trump campaign has not dealt with which is the after ffinity betw himself and the camp and the russians in this and the fact that they are blatantly attempting with not so spectacular results to help him to become president of the united states, and that is the looming issue, and the dog that has not barked in the campaign, because it is unprecedented and troubling for americans. >> and mike pence's position is totally different than donald trump, and remember him in the debait, and putin says nice things about me and i say nice things about him, and that is not what mike pence outlined today. >> and chris to, the point, this week, journalists have said, what would this news cycle look like if we didn't have the 2005 tape of donald trump, and if these allegations had not come forward from all of the women, and we would be solely focused on the wikileaks and yet donald trump continues to make the unforced errors. >> and yes are, the whole, and this whole obsession of the media's role in this, and everybody is hyping it up too much. we have candidates's words and candidate's speeches here, and that should be the focus. and what donald trump said about drug testing potential president shall candidates. >> coming up, the press end game and boeing, building one sentry at a time. using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework... wire... and plants needed to give my shop... a face... no one will forget. see what the power of points can do for your business. learn more at chase.com/ink g new cars. see what the power of points can do for your business. you're smart. you already knew that. but it's also great for finding the perfect used car. you'll see what a fair price is, and you can connect with a truecar certified dealer. now you're even smarter. this is truecar. here you go.picking up for kyle. you wouldn't put up with part of a pizza. um. something wrong? 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"meet the press" end game is brought to you by boeing, building the future one century at a tim "meet the press" end gim is brought to you by boeing, building the future one at a time. >> and sometimes trump says stuff that you have no idea what it means including this line on drug testing. i believe it was yesterday. >> and like athletes, and so athletes, they are making it more and more, and the athletes, they make them take a drug test, right? i think that we should take a drug test prior to the debate. i do. >> and hugh, of all of the head scratchers this is one and i have to say that he did it in new hampshire where the opioid epidemic is real, and to just sort of throw that out there. >> and that is the comprehensive recovery and act is why rob portman is running. and if you want to do that, i am wearing the cleveland indians yahoo red, white and blue here. >> and it is more to the stamina issue. >> and this is the point that is not the point. this is a campaign. he is performing for the audience and he feeds off of and gets the emotional sort of the support, and he has feeding a need in himself. this is not about trying to become president of the united states, but it is about whatever he plans to do on november 9th. >> and it is firing a warning shot before the debate, no hold's barred and it is hard to believe it is no more no holds barred before of the second. >> and she pull ad punch, and i felt like she pulled a pun inch the second. >> she let him do his thing that she knew would not be -- and he is going to continue to engage in flights of fancy as he appears to be doing at this point. this feels to me, chuck, like, we see it in other campaigns and rarely at the presidential level, and you do you end, which is, okay. like his, all of the strategists and all of those people are just essentially going, all right, you are going to do what you want to do anyway, and so why don't you go to do it this the last month, and that is a disastrous strategy are if you are a down ballot republican, but it will give him somet gratification. >> i know what you want him to do, but what do you expect him to do? >> i expect him to gof a her on haiti and haiti is going to be the bingo word of the night. >> and i dont n't know, but can stick to the message? >> a quick programming note. and there is going to be a presidential debate warmup on your local station. and next week, will it be another unprecedented weeks? because if it is sunday, it is "meet the press." >> you can see more end game in post game, sponsored by boeing on the "meet the press" web page. a good day to you. we are coming to you from new york, and welcome to "pulse of america" where your voice can be heard in realtime. these are the stories that we want your pulse on today. first up, of course, trump firing back and says that the women accusinging him of sexual misconduct are part of the conspiracy led by the media to deny him the presidency. that as a ninth woman coming forward to say that she was kissed against her will from trump almost 20 years ago. and a new nbc "wall street journal" poll shows. >> clark: widening the