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mobster joe pesci. but she had a strong alibi. >> do you know who shot garrett? >> i don't know. >> and that's only the start of the twists in this hollywood mystery. >> this is one of those "stranger than fix" things. nobody would write a script like this. >> most stunning of all, what didn't happen. >> my mom said to me, don't you [ bleep ] die. hit harder than bullets. my mom never swore. >> "the plot thickens." hello, and welcome to "dateline extra". i'm craig melvin. garrett warren us with a stunt man, used to handling danger on set, but certainly not at home, where the divorced dad doted on his daughter. then one night he opened the door and faced a hail of bullets. at work, garrett was focused on the details. what detail would help investigators catch the gunman? >> ready. and action. >> action. >> it ranks second only to money as the single most important word in hollywood. and here in l.a., where life and art are often the same thing, there's a real life drama that rivals any action movie with a plot that includes all the elements of classic film noir. a mystery featuring an assassin, a femme fatale, a hollywood star and a stunt man who takes the fall. and as for the money, we'll get to that. let's start with the biggest name on the marquee, joe pesci, famous for roles as cold-blooded killer. this drama would costar his ex wife, claudia haro, a model and actress who appeared with pesci in "casino." supporting staff includes her brother manny haro not an actor, but an actual tough guy who did time in prison and harbor as a secret in his past. and claudia's second husband, garrett warren, hollywood stuntman and martial arts expert. a man very familiar with danger. fade in, early evening in the quiet town of west lake village, california, outside of l.a. stuntman garrett warren heard a knock on his door and a voice on the other side asking about his new silver volvo parked in the driveway. garrett answered. when comes our first plot twist. three shots into his body. money more into garrett's right eye. the daredevil's luck had run out. >> i called and his mother answered the phone, screaming, crying, just distraught. wally, wally, you're not going to believe what happened. what? garrett's been shot. >> wally crowder was a fellow stuntman and garrett's good friend. >> garrett was one of those men that you could count on. you hear in life that you're very lucky if you have five friend osar you can count a friend on one hand. garrett was that friend to me. >> wally's been in the business for more than 30 years. >> garrett warren was probably the finest fight man you can ask for. i had hired him on several shows, got to know him, watched his expertise, phenomenal athlete/stuntman. >> you've probably seen garrett warren's work, you just didn't know it. his stunt work was featured in "charlie's angels" and "double-team" with jean claude van damme. wally says his percent was not what you would expect. >> garrett was a very focused individual. people think of stuntmen as daredevils. that's the last person i want on my job. i want the very best at what they do. >> but towards end of 1997, wally says that focus shifted the minute garrett warren met claudia haro. >> beautiful woman, just wanted garrett to be happy, he had found somebody it seemed like he genuinely loved and wanted to start a life with. >> there was something special about her. i think people that got to know her, just a beautiful soul. i think men were attracted to that as much as her beauty. >> claudia's good friend julie araskog remembers when claudia and garrett first got together. >> one day she says to you, i met this guy. >> and she was very excited. i was big fan of garrett's. he was sweet and funny and she just seemed so happy with him. and i should say, actually, joe and i both were very supportive. >> by joe she's referring to claudia's ex-husband, a character actor who became a star by playing mafia tough guys, joe pesci. sounds like their relationship didn't end badly. >> not at all. they're like family, very, very close. >> claudia stayed close to joe pesci even after she started dating garrett who came from a different part of the movie business. garrett loved action and adventure, but when he met claudia, he was ready to settle down. >> we felt this would be the gal that garrett would end up with, no more dating, no more running around. i'm going to end up with claudia. >> garrett and claudia were married less than a year after they met. >> in the beginning think it was a very good relationship. >> oh, my gosh. >> they soon had a beautiful daughter, kyla. >> look at that hairdo. >> the new couple enjoyed being parents. >> i love you guys. >> we love you, too. >> but happy scenes like this one did not last. claudia and garrett couldn't make it work. >> it was a series of events. it just wasn't the right marriage. >> once the relationship started going south, it went fast. less than two years after their wedding, claudia and garrett split up for good. >> divorce is never easy, but in the long run, it was two parents trying to figure out a way to live and both see their children. >> garrett went back to his old life as a stunt man, back to the set and the world of make believe. so, then how did his life go from playing dead to bleeding out on the floor of his home, shot four times at close range? >> somebody definitely wanted him hurt or dead at that time. >> but who? detective mark gayman of the l.a. county sheriff's department said investigators looked at every angle. remembering how the gunman at first asked garrett about his brand new volvo. they wondered if it would be road rage, someone he tangled with on the freeways. mr. warren is a stuntman. guessing he doesn't always drive the speed limit or use his blinker to change lanes. >> could be possible. >> or could be personal. >> could have been an ex-business partner or someone who he was dating that was jealous, maybe a ex-husband or ex-boyfriend. there was an array of possibles on who could have done this. >> possibilities that led from the bloody crime scene to bright lights of the movie business to the parts of l.a. that tourists never see. >> there seemed to be an entire cast of suspects who may have wanted garrett dead. police started making a list while the stuntman's friends prepared for worst. coming up -- getting ready to say good-bye to a friend. >> i'm going to lose my friend. he's not going to make it. all these things run through your head. the time you spent together, the things that maybe you should have said that you didn't. >> when "the plot thickens" continues. inues. introducing the all-new 2021 gla suv. starting at just $36,230. it's the biggest thing that ever happened to small. lease the gla 250 suv for just $399 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. so to breathe better, i started once-daily anoro. ♪ copd tries to say, "go this way." i say, "i'll go my own way, with anoro." ♪ once-daily anoro contains two medicines called bronchodilators that work together to significantly improve lung function all day and all night. do not use anoro if you have asthma. anoro won't replace rescue inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than once a day. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition, high blood pressure, glaucoma... prostate, bladder or urinary problems. these may worsen with anoro. call your doctor if you have worsened breathing, chest pain... mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes or eye pain, while taking anoro. the most common side effects are sore throat, diarrhea, and pain in the arms and legs. ask your doctor about once-daily anoro to start treating your copd. we're here for you during this challenging time--and always. find support at anoro.com. we're here for you during this challenging time--and always. did you know that some aluminum- free deodorants only mask odor? 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it's one that neither garrett's family nor the gunman saw coming. this is garrett warren today. >> thank god i'm still here. i mean, i was very fortunate, i was very lucky, very blessed. >> to the surprise of the doctors treating him, garrett warren pulled through. and he lived to tell the story of the night he was almost murdered. a flashback as vivid now as it was then. here's bullet one. >> to be honest with you, when a bullet hits you, you don't really know that it hit you. it's not like you see in the movies. and as i slipped to the side and it hit me center mass, it went by my chest, passed my heart and stuck in the rib cage right here, it's still there right now. >> then bullet two. >> so i looked down and back up, here came another one, i slipped my head to the side, when that happened, hit me in the neck and went straight out my back. >> bullet number three. >> then i realized, okay, this is for real. i went to close the door and he shot center mass, hit me in the hip, straight out my back, past my hip. that one hurt. that one hit my bone. >> if that sounds gruesome, hang on for what's next. >> i fell back behind my door to the ground and then he walked in and put the gun to my head. the first thing i did when i saw him squeeze the trigger i flinched. as i did this it hit me in the eye, and came out my ear and got stuck in the wall behind my head. >> pretty good reflexes. >> but if it was "the matrix," wasn't good. like keanu go back and bullet still hitting him. as much as i moved, still got hit. >> somehow, the bullet that went through garrett's head missed his brain. >> you know when tell you your life passes before your eyes? it doesn't pass before your eyes. you run through it. you think about everything that happened in your life and you wonder, did i do anything wrong and not make up for it? am i ready to die? >> at the time of the shooting garrett's mother was at his home helping with baby kyla. she ran to see what was happening and gunman took two shots at her but he missed. and then, out of bullets, he fled. >> i looked at her and i said, i love you mom. i'll see you on the other side. my mom said to me don't you [ bleep ] die. i was shocked. hit me harder than the bullets, my mom never swore. and here she was, she shook me and said, don't you [ bleep ] die. you've been a fighter all your life, fight one more time for me. i looked at her and said, all right, you got it, not going to go, i'll stay. >> as garrett ran through his life, he looked back on his failed marriage to claudia haro. >> it was true love. this was the things that poetry was written about this can things that movies were made of. >> hi, daddy. what's up? >> that brief marriage produced their daughter kyla, and even though the marriage didn't last, the bond both parents felt with kyla surely did. >> my daughter's being born was the most amazing part of my life and probably one of the greatest things i can leave as my legacy i guess. >> but when the marriage broke up, there was a nasty fight over who would get custody of kyla. in midst of it, claudia made perhaps the worst accusation you could make, she claimed garrett had sexually molested their daughter. after a thorough investigation, a family court judge ruled there was no evidence of abuse. but it was shortly after that that gunman showed up at garrett's home. it was naturally after that, the defen detectives shbrought in claudia for questions. >> just another road we went down in the investigation. could it be an ex? >> claudia was cooperative, didn't appear to have ties to the shooting, had a strong alibi, expressed concern for garrett. investigators were satisfied she wasn't involved. they kept talking to garrett who had gotten a glimpse of the man who shot him. >> it was very difficult to decipher what ethnicity he was because i was looking through a peephole. >> not someone you knew? >> no. >> sheriffs department tried to piece together theories. i'm guessing you asked garrett if he was carrying on with someone's wife or girlfriend. >> yes, everything was being looked at in his life or lifestyle, his business. >> an exciting high energy business from the gym he owned to the film circle he is ran in. garrett warren had no shortage of adventures. but investigators received a tip suggesting that garrett also had enemies. >> sheriff's station received an anonymous letter advising that there were people involved at the gym that garrett was having relationship with, people that might be of interest to detectives. they might want to question these people. >> detectives checked out every name that came up, followed up every lead, but they hit a dead end every turn. depressing? >> very depressing. sometimes you just need that one break. you need a phone call that somebody wants to give up information. give us another road to go down, give us another adventure to try. >> it took almost two years before that break arrived. that's when police in another county, searching a car for drugs, instead found a note and a photo that would make clear just what kind of danger garrett warren was facing. >> coming up -- was garrett warren's would be killer about to try for take two? 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>> no doubt in my mind. >> in 2003, detectives arrested quiroz for attempted murder. he was neither a gangbanger nor hired gun. instead, he owned a pizza parlor. sheriff's detective mark gayman. >> seemed like he was middle class, nice guy everybody in the community loved. >> yet garrett was identifying him as the shooter. >> yes. >> other than garrett's i.d., there was nothing to suggest they had ever met. they had never done any business deal before? >> no. >> connected in any way to the gym? >> no. >> any chance that he was driving a car near garrett that night? >> no. none whatsoever. >> so what their connection was or why he would kill him, not clear. >> there was no direct connection whatsoever. >> and as detectives soon learned, proving an attempted murder charge against miguel quiroz would not be easy. multiple witnesses said they saw and spoke to him at his pizza parlor on the night of the shooting. these witnesses weren't really beholden to him in any way. they were customers. >> yes, they were, frequent customers of the establishment. plus he had re-creaceiptreceipt. he handwrites on them. pretty good alibis. >> at the preliminary hearing, evidence pointed both ways. witnesses put him 80 miles away from the scene of the crime. but why did he have garrett's picture hidden in his car? how and why would garrett finger quiroz as the shooter? hoon chun was the deputy district attorney brought in from major crimes unit. he knew he had more work to do. you got a guy stopped for drug charges, he's got a map hidden in his car of someone who was nearly a murder victim and a photograph of that guy. >> right. >> and the guy picks him out. >> right, so you think what's the question. >> aren't there people on death row for less than that? >> sometimes there is more to the story than meets the eye, which is the case here. >> investigators are about to discover another picture of garrett warren, a photograph that would throw his i.d. into question. >> coming up. >> when i saw him in the photo lineup i said, that must be him. >> that's one of those stranger than fiction things. nobody would write a script like this. >> when "the plot thickens" continues. thickens" continues. for people living with h-i-v, keep being you. and ask your doctor about biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in certain adults. it's not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to and stay undetectable. that's when the amount of virus is so low it cannot be measured by a lab test. research shows people who take h-i-v treatment every day and get to and stay undetectable can no longer transmit h-i-v through sex. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure. rare, life-threatening side effects include a buildup of lactic acid and liver problems. do not take biktarvy if you take dofetilide or rifampin. tell your doctor about all the medicines and supplements you take, if you are pregnant or breastfeeding, or if you have kidney or liver problems, including hepatitis. if you have hepatitis b, do not stop taking biktarvy without talking to your doctor. common side effects were diarrhea, nausea, and headache. if you're living with hiv, keep loving who you are. and ask your doctor if biktarvy is right for you. if you're living with hiv, keep loving who you are. unlike ordinary memory wansupplements...ter? 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>> not at the time at all. >> sound at fist like a strong case, but more prosecutor hoon chun investigated, the weaker it seemed to become. you've done a lot of work, mostly proved your defendant's alibi. >> sure. and really proved that he didn't do this. >> multiple witnesses put miguel quiroz 80 miles from garrett's home on the night of the shooting. and then, like a scene from "columbo", came the latest twist something prosecutors saw during a court hearing. >> i'm noticing something. first of all, miguel quiroz was left-handed. shooter was described as right-handed. that's a little odd. >> odd because what left-handed person would try to commit murder with gun in his right hand? that's out of a movie. >> out of a movie. a script writer might do something like that but in real life didn't make any sense. >> then prosecutor chun saw this photo taken at a barbecue. >> in this photo you have garrett warren and he is facing miguel quiroz kneeling down, and their children are in front of them. can tell from the scar on garrett warren's face underneath the left ear this is post shooting. can tell from the ages of the children and lakers championship t-shirt that mr. quiroz is wearing this is shortly after the shooting. >> the two men were both guests at the same party after the shooting but before garrett made his eyewitness i.d. of quiroz. so you think this is where garrett new him from? >> right. >> you think that's why he identified him as the shooter because he remembered him from this party? >> right. classic transformans. >> to the prosecutor and to garrett the photo explained the i.d. >> for some reason when i saw him in the photo lineup it clicked, that must be him, i recognize him. and obviously it wasn't him. >> so garrett was wrong in picking quiroz as the man who shot him. that left prosecutors with two questions -- who did shoot garrett? and since he had the photo and address in his trunk, could quiroz still somehow be involved? hoon chun began to rethink the case. >> the defense attorneys agreed that we could talk to mr mr. quiroz. they let us talk to him, and detectives and i kept coming back to the hit note, where it's found. he doesn't know garrett warren. because remember, their interaction was very brief at the barbecue. >> detectives kept after quiroz. they know whoever ordered the hit really wanted garrett warren dead. here's one more twist -- the postmark on the note is from after the shooting. meaning that it's not so much a hit note as a note explaining to someone how to go back and finish the job. >> it's a re-hit, if you want to call it that. >> that finish the job note, says chun, started to unravel the mystery. >> that was really kind of what broke the case open. that was quite frankly, the lifeline we had on this case. >> the one unavoidable piece of evidence that finally cracked miguel quiroz. >> we go round and round and he admits he was one of the middle men. >> he wasn't the shooter, he was in on the plot and he was caught by his own carelessness. >> he explained that that hit note had been sent directly to him, that he had put it under the spare tire in the trunk of his car and literally he said he had forgotten about it. >> so, the reason you ended up finding that hit note under the spare tire in trunk of mr. quiroz's car was that he put it there for safekeeping and forgotten it? 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garrett warren. now he was collaborating with investigators. they already knew quiroz wasn't the shooter. man who actually pulled the trigger was old friend of his, jorge hernandez, heard here. >> you don't say nothing, i don't say nothing. >> as part of his deal with prosecutors, quiroz wore a body wire and approached hernandez at a party. quiroz said he hired him to kill garrett warren. on the tape hernandez makes it clear he didn't waste any money on transportation. >> i used my own car. >> hernandez can be heard saying that he's sorry he didn't manage to kill garrett warren. >> i apologize to you. i'm not a good shot. >> and hernandez made clear he was ready to try again. >> just get the guns or whatever and we'll finish it off if that's what you need. >> speaking to prosecutor hoon chun, quiroz explained his own involvement, that he had been paid to hire hernandez as a hitman, and he explained where the trail led. mr. quiroz told you that he didn't do it but was in on the plan. >> right. >> and that he did it at behest of his friend manuel haro. >> correct. >> manny haro was miguel's long time friend. they worked together in the pizza business and in the drug business. if the last name haro sounds familiar, it should. manny's sister claudia is garrett warren's ex-wife. prosecutor chun says that explains mr. haro's involvement. >> he was doing it for his sister claudia. >> who was married to garrett. >> who was once married to garrett and at the time going through a contentious divorce. on scale of 1 to 10, this was 11. >> this was about custody of the daughter. >> exactly. and she had antipathy expressed toward warren. >> she said you're going to bleed. generally it's a sign there are bad times to come. >> you're right. >> prosecutors believe they were beginning to understand the outlines of the plot to kill garrett warren. infuriated by custody battle, they believed claudia haro had set it all in motion, but proving that wouldn't be easy. investigators began by looking at how claudia might have persuaded her brother to get involve in the a murder. investigators arrested them and charged them with attempted murder and conspiracy. when they questioned manny, they learned about a secret of his that might explain why manny would want garrett dead. >> i didn't talk about me getting molested until i was at least 22 probably. >> manny told investigators he had been molested as a child. and remember, manny's sister claudia during her divorce from garrett warren claimed that garrett had molested her daughter. those allegations were thoroughly invested and a judge said they were unfounded. but now investigators had to consider another plot twist because of something else manny said. that not only had he been molested but that the only other person in the world who knew about that secret was his sister, claudia. >> being that i've been through certain things in my childhood as far as molestation and my sister was the only one that i confided in and told her about what happened to me when i was younger. >> had claudia manipulated manny by telling him only part of the story? >> did she let you know that the judge, someone independent in her child custody case, had found the allegations she was making against garrett or false? did she tell you that? >> she -- i never asked and she never told me. so i think she knew how to hit the nerve that he was molesting her. so i think she knew it was hitting a nerve. i never really talked about it. >> manny said his sister's exact language was that she wanted garrett taken out. >> i'm almost positive she didn't use the word "murder" or "kill," but telling me want to take him out. you know what that means, that slang, killed. >> manny haro, small-time criminal, pointing finger of guilt at his sister, actress and mother who had been married to hollywood stardom and who had never had a problem with the law. it was hard to believe. except maybe for the intended victim of the murder plot, who believed claudia was behind it from the get go. >> i knew there was only one person that wanted this done to me. >> he felt that way even as the investigation point in the every other direction. until finally, five years after the shooting, detectives arrested claudia haro. >> i did think to myself, thank god. finally i don't feel crazy anymore. >> but he was in for another shock. prosecutors did not feel the case was strong enough because manny haro had not agreed to testify against claudia, and the d.a.'s office declined to file charges. >> i'm thinking you probably hated that. >> yes, but that's not the worst of it. i was proud to call garrett and tell him, i arrested claudia h ark ro for hiring a hitman to kill you. >> and then you got to call him back. >> you're not going to believe it, but i got let her go. >> 48 hours after detectives arrested claudia, she was back on the street, completely free again. >> i guaranteed him i would not stop. >> what would it take to write a new ending to this story, with a new role for the beauty that investigators believed was their femme fatale? who are would she avoid prosecution? >> lying isn't just about saying the words and mouthing the words. the words have to make sense, and when they don't make sense, you're going to have a problem. >> lying is tougher than people think it is. >> it's a lot tougher than people think it is. >> coming up, claudia tells her story. >> you're day in the limelight. >> go ahead. >> do you know who shot garrett warren? >> i don't know. >> do you know why he was shot? >> no, i don't know. >> when "the plot thickens" continues. guys! guys! check it out. safe drivers save 40%!!! safe drivers save 40%! safe drivers save 40%!!! that's safe drivers save 40%. it is, that's safe drivers save 40%. - he's right there. - it's him! he's here. he's right here. - hi! - hi. hey! - that's totally him. - it's him! that's totally the guy. safe drivers do save 40%. click or call for a quote today. that's why i've got 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attempted hit on her ex husband garrett warren and then refused to testify against her. this has more hollywood twists in store. remember that hit note found in the trunk? it was about to take one more hit in the spotlight. here's the conclusion. >> reporter: closeup, claudia haro. she once played a show girl in a gangster movie. once married to a legendary movie gangster. now accused of hiring a hitman in real life. sheriff's detectives arrested her, but the prosecutor did not file charges and claudia was turned loose. chun felt he needed stronger evidence. >> i did not think there was a fileable case at that point. >> but claudia's brother manny changed that. he took a plea deal from prosecutors and finally agreed to testify against his sister. >> at some point, does somebody approach you about doing something, killing somebody? >> yes. my sister, claudia approached me. claudia haro approached me. >> that made the difference. detectives rearrested claudia. this time, the prosecutor charged her with two counts of attempted murder and one count of pierconspiracy to commit mur. claudia denied everything. >> do you know who shot garrett warren. >> no. >> do you know why he was shot? >> no, i don't know. >> was there enough to convict her. >> you got mr. quiroz's c confession and mr. haro and hernandez. but you don't have anything on claudia haro. >> the judge finds the child abuse allegations to be false on april 12th of 2000. the hit occur about a month and a week after that on may 20th. >> all of that is circumstantial. >> i agree. >> soon there was more. prosecutors say the handwriting on the hit note matched claudia haro's. and when prosecutors provided samples of letter to garrett with the hit notes they notice the misspelling of this word, agora, as in agora hills. in the notes and garrett's letters it's mistelled the same way. a-u-g-o-r-a. claudia insists she never gave note osar maps to quiroz. >> duh give him notes? >> no that i can think of, no. >> if we had notes in your handwriting? >> they're not from me. i don't know. >> she claimed to know little of what manny haro had been up to. >> why would your brother, who never met garrett, want him killed? >> i don't know. that's not -- >> why would he tell us that you're the one that asked him to be killed and help arrange it? >> i don't know. >> did you ever give your brother a large amount of money? >> no. >> any amount whatsoever. >> i've never had a large amount of money. >> as we said, every hollywood story eventually comes back to money. >> if claudia haro paid somebody ten grand to ice warren, where did she get the cash? detectives took a good look at her ex husband, tough guy joe pesci. remember that snapshot? that was taken at the hollywood hills home of joe pesci. >> we actually interviewed him and just wanted to ask if he gave her a large sum of money at that time. he denied he give her money. there was no evidence to indicate he had involvement. >> claudia haro said she wanted to do an interview with us, but we were not able to speak to her in jail. the picture that's drawn of her is sort of this vengeful woman who would stop at nothing to keep her daughter away from her ex-husband. >> whoever gave you that information doesn't know claudia haro. he said if claudia's guilty of anything it's of having a criminal for a brother. >> i believe manny was angry about being molested and abuses and desperate to maintain his street credibility and then when he got caught he tried to blame it on his sister. >> not only that, but those hit notes allegedly written by claudia -- >> i'm convinced these are forgeries. claudia never wrote a hit note to anybody. nobody talked to her about whacking someone or murdering someone or shooting someone. >> he was ready with those arguments and more, and who knows what a jury might have done. remember the movie "my cousin vinny" where joe pesci played a lawyer who got his client acquitted of murder charges? well, this movie didn't end that way. on the eve of trial, claudia haro decided not to fight the charges. she pleaded no contest to two counts of attempted murder. she received a sentence of two years and four months. her friend, julie. she'll be out in eight years and gets to see her daughter grow up. >> that's why she took it. >> as her sentencing, joe pesci showed up to support his next court. quiroz got a three-year suspended sentence. haro was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parol. he was release in the june of 2017. the hired gunman, jorge hernandez was tried and convicted on charges of attempted murder and conspiracy. he's serving a sentence of 77 years to life. in total, claudia haro served just more than nine years before being granted parole in august 2019. in film noir it's not uncommon to have the femme fatale get away with the crime, and if claudia haro masterminded this murder she ended up getting a very good deal. >> claudia's brother manny who set it up and the actual shooter both got mocaxed out on their sentences. >> the amount of time you spend behind bars nothing to what i believe will be eternity afterwards. i believe we all pay one day, no matter what. >> you seem remarkably free of anger. i am. everyone should be in this world. she made a mistake. i made mistakes. no one's perfect. >> surprisesed? you shouldn't be. that trifecta of love, money, and murder isn't new to hollywood. neither are stories about beautiful women who turn out to be as tough as a $5 steak and the men who somehow find it in themselves to forgive them. >> that's all for this i'm craig melbourne. >> and i'm natalie morales. >> and this is "dateline." three people come to me wearing suits, and one of them tells me that he hadn't made it. and i was like, no, he did. just go check. they come back and tell me, mrs. hall, your husband didn't make it. >> two women racing down a texas highway. >> she saw me, and then made the u-turn.

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>> woodruff: and it's friday. mark shields and david brooks are here to analyze the week's news. those are just some of the stories we're covering on tonight's pbs newshour. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: >> charles schwab, proud supporter of the "pbs newshour." >> and by bnsf railway. bae systems. inspired work. >> and with the ongoing support of these institutions and foundations. and friends of the newshour. >> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> woodruff: a final decision on a much-debated extension of the keystone oil pipeline has been delayed again, possibly until after the november elections. the u.s. state department today extended the federal review of the project indefinitely. it cited a nebraska court fight over the route. the pipeline would extend from canada to nebraska, then connect with existing lines carrying crude oil to refineries in texas. an avalanche on mount everest killed at least 12 sherpa guides today and left four others missing. the disaster was the deadliest ever on the world's highest peak, in nepal. it happened just shy of 21,000 feet, about 8,000 feet below the summit. guides had gone out early to fix ropes for climbers, including australian gavin turner. >> the experience was great. it was going well, and then suddenly there was a huge thud. we got covered by this enormous cloud of snow and snow dust, and, for a few seconds, i thought, wow, this is going to take me out. >> woodruff: hundreds of climbers and guides are at everest's base camp, preparing to scale the peak next month, when the weather is mildest. hope dimmed even further in south korea today for some 270 people, many of them high school students, who were on a ferry that capsized wednesday. rescue teams kept up their efforts even as the ship sank from view. jane dodge of independent television news narrates this report. >> reporter: a last glimpse of the "sewol" before it disappeared beneath the waves early this morning. two large inflatables now mark its position. the rescue operation has become more of a recovery process as bodies are brought ashore. there has been progress of sorts. divers managed to gain entry to part of the vessel. >> two divers opened the door of the cargo department and went in. they didn't find any survivors. >> reporter: anger at the south korean authorities once again boiled over today. originally told their children were safe, families now wait to hear their fate, aware time is against them. >> ( translated ): they have to hurry. >> reporter: the captain is believed to be one of the group seen leaving the ship before it capsized. here, he's wrapping himself in a blanket. lee joon seok and two other members of the crew have now been arrested. it emerged today he wasn't at the wheel when the vessel started to list. most on board were school children. the teacher in charge have been found in the gym where parents waited for news. in a suicide note, he said he couldn't live for himself and asked his ashes be scattered at the site of the tragedy. investigators now believe an abrupt change of direction may have caused cargo to shift to one side and the ferry to tilt over. but it's not the answers families want right now; they're desperate to get their children back. >> woodruff: for now, the confirmed death count stands at 28. a powerful earthquake shook central and southern mexico today, but there were no reports of major damage. the epicenter was northwest of the pacific resort of acapulco, but the quake was felt in mexico city, as well. the shaking lasted about 30 seconds and sent people running into the streets. the u.s. geological survey said it registered a 7.2 magnitude. around the world, christians commemorated the crucifixion of jesus on this good friday. in jerusalem, thousands of pilgrims lined the cobblestone streets of the old city. some carried wooden crosses, tracing the traditional route that jesus walked. and in the philippines, some people had themselves nailed to crosses despite the catholic church's efforts to discourage the rite. there's a new warning on marijuana even as cities and states move to decriminalize it. a study of young adults finds even casual use of pot may harm parts of the brain that control emotion and motivation. it's unclear if the damage can be reversed. the study was done at harvard and northwestern medical schools and massachusetts general hospital. it's being published in the "journal of neuroscience." still to come on the newshour: russia-leaning separatists defy a deal to deescalate the ukraine crisis; one rancher's standoff with the government over land and cattle; the months-long wave of political unrest in venezuela; mark shields and david brooks on the week's news; plus, remembering one of latin america's literary giants. despite thursday's surprise agreement by the u.s., russia, ukraine, and the european union to de-escalate tensions in eastern ukraine, there's little evidence that any of the terms of the deal are taking hold in the country. lindsey hilsum of independent television news is in donetsk and filed this report. >> reporter: he was tidying up, not tearing down his barricade, the man in the "world of tanks" t-shirt. he and his friends have no intention of handing back the armored vehicle they seized from ukrainian troops. in fact, in sloviansk today, it was clear that none of the pro- russian protesters were going anywhere. people i've been talking to say they're not very interested in what was decided in geneva yesterday. and they're not going to abandon the municipal buildings they've taken over or take down their barricades until the government goes because, they say, "how did this government in kiev get to power? exactly like this. by staying out on the streets." a ukrainian mig fighter flew overhead. the authorities in kiev may rule the skies, but they have little power here on the ground. >> ( translated ): we will not remove the barricades until these jets and tanks have gone. they're threatening to shoot us and our children. >> reporter: so, are you going to take these barricades down, like they said you should in geneva? >> ( translated ): we will only go when people are left in peace, when we have freedom. >> reporter: it was the same story in the regional capital, where the leader of the self- proclaimed donetsk people's republic said he'd only leave his government building if the president and prime minister in kiev did likewise. >> ( translated ): this is an absolutely nominal agreement, but everyone has to leave the buildings, including comrades yatensiuk and turchynov, who also occupy their place as the illegal result of a military coup. after they do, we will agree to follow suit. >> reporter: then, presidential candidate yulia tymshenko came to town. >> ( translated ): the purpose of my visit is to understand what ukrainians who live in donetsk are demanding from the central government. i'd like to listen to these demands myself and find out how serious they are, to find a necessary compromise between east and west that will allow us to unify the country. >> reporter: she's not much loved here, but would like to be. in parliament in kiev, they were blaming russia for everything while also trying to sound conciliatory, hoping to hang on for the elections in a month's time. the tension has, to some extent, abated in eastern ukraine, but nothing's resolved and the government in kiev seems powerless to change that. >> woodruff: for more on ukraine, i spoke to president obama's deputy national security advisor, ben rhodes, a short time ago. ben rhodes, welcome. as we just heard in that report, a number of the people who are occupying these buildings in eastern ukraine say they're not going to leave, they're not going to give them up. does that undercut the deal that was reached yesterday in geneva? >> we believe the russian government has a tremendous amount of influence with at least a portion of these protesters. we would like to see them use all their influence, their public statements, private comments to encourage these protesters to leave these buildings, to disarm. the ukrainian government is keeping its end of the bargain, took steps toward passing an amnesty law and we'll be watching this to see if the russians are using influence and if the protesters are pulling back. >> woodruff: even if some of the protesters listen to moscow, there are still others who say they're ukrainian and they don't respect the government in kiev and they're not budging, no matter what moscow tells them. >> what we see is actually the vast majority of the ukrainian people, including a majority of people in the east do support the unity of ukraine and the government in kiev, and there's a way to address the concerns of some of those minority populations including ethnic russias which is through a constitutional reform process and the ukrainian government committed to decentralization, rights of minorities proteg ticketed, protecting the right of russian language, so there's a path for the protesters to have grievances met through politics and not armed actions we've seen. >> woodruff: one of the arguments they're making is they're simply doing what the protesters in kiev have done which is take to the streets, hold their ground until they see the government doing what they want. i mean, why isn't that a valid argument? >> well, there's a huge difference here, judy, which is the fact is, in the protest in kiev, you had tens and some cases hundreds of thousands of people taking to the streets in these protests to have their voices heard. we've not seen that by any measure in the east. what we've seen is very small protests in the hundreds and very or organized armed groups a coordinated fashion taking over these buildings. so this has not been a groundswell of popular opinion manifested by tens of thousands of people taking to the streets. thithis has been small numbers f armed men taking over government buildings in a coordinated fashion we believe clearly with some support from moscow and feels much more like a play to destabilize the country rather than a popular movement that emerged organically as was the case in kiev. >> woodruff: even having said that, these protesters, again, pointing to kiev, is the u.s. saying to the kiev government, we want these protesters in kiev who are occupying the midan to stand down? >> they're saying all paramilitary group should lay down arms and not occupy buildings, applying to the protesters in the west and east. the ukrainian government has taken steps to disarm extreme nationalists engaged in activities like taking over government buildings in the west as well. this applies not just in the east but across the country. again, the government in kiev has made the commitments. prime minister yatsenyuk went to the east to have dialogue with some to have the protesters. we believe the dialogue is important in ukraine as well as the international community. >> woodruff: but if ukrainians, if the protesters in eastern ukraine don't do what the u.s. is asking, if russia doesn't do what the u.s. is asking, the president and others have said there will be more consequences. but what we've seen so far is that the sanctions haven't really had much of an effect on mr. putin. what makes the administration, what makes the president think more sanctions will have an effect? >> well, first of all, we've put in place a series of sanctions. we also have an executive order that gives us broader authorities to target individuals and entities that they control that are important to the russian economy and also potentially sectors of the russian economy. we have seen president putin pause with the forces on the border where he's pass binged significant military forces and seen this destabilization taking place in eastern ukraine. we haven't seen the worst case scenario which is russians coming across the border. so that is in place. but we have been clear that if we continue the see destabilizing activities that we believe are rooted in moscow's policy, we'll move to additional sanctions. again, if we start to go after additional individuals who are important in the russian economy and important to the russian leadership as well as the companies and banks that they are responsible for, we believe we can have a significant impact on the russians. in fact, we've already seen their forecast of the economy downgraded. capital flying out to have the country. so it is having an effect. just how much does its have to sink in for the russians to change calculus and pursue this through politics instead of force. that's what we have an opportunity to do through geneva and if we don't see them follow through we'll move to additional sanctions. >> woodruff: ben rhodes, deputy national security advisor. thanks very much. >> good to be with you. >> woodruff: now to a story that takes us out to the western u.s., to nevada, where a standoff between the federal government and a local cattle rancher involving an armed militia almost turned violent. hari sreenivasan is in our new york studio with this report. >> sreenivasan: armed militia men, pointing guns at federal officials, over cattle. for more than 20 years, nevada rancher cliven bundy has refused to pay fees for grazing cattle on public lands, some 80 miles north of las vegas. the u.s. bureau of land management says bundy now owes close to $1 million. he says his family has used the land since the 1870s. last year, a federal judge ordered bundy to remove his livestock. he ignored the order, and two weeks ago, b.l.m. agents rounded up more than 400 head of his cattle. last weekend, armed militia members and states' right protesters showed up to challenge the move. >> i came here because i don't believe the b.l.m. has any authority, whatsoever. they have no law enforcement authority in clark county, and they have no business whatsoever destroying the pursuit of happiness of one of our friends and brothers. >> sreenivasan: rather than risk violence, the b.l.m. did an about-face and released the cattle. but the dust-up has put longstanding disputes over western range rights squarely in the spotlight. last night, nevada democratic senator harry reid blasted the protesters. >> these people, who hold themselves out to be patriots, are not. they're nothing more than domestic terrorists. and i think we are a country where people should follow the law. >> sreenivasan: the b.l.m. now says it is pursuing a peaceful resolution through the courts. we're joined by ben botkin from the las vegas review-journal. how did this escalate into the standoff it was? >> well, the entire situation leading up to the standoff took 20 years, was 20 years in the making. you had a couple of court orders that the b.l.m. obtained to obtain the cattle, which that came because cliven bundy wasn't paying his grazing fees. but in the last few days before the standoff, you had a bunch of different types of groups and people, everyone from groups that call themselves militia to so-called patriot groups and others across the country gather together over the course of several days leading up to saturday, and at that point saturday the bundy family took the protesters, went up to the corral where the blm had rounded up their cattlele, and after a short and brief negotiation and standoff, the blm decided to release several hundred cows back to the family. there's no formal agreement, but during that standoff, there were guns drawn from both sides, so rather than run the risk of bloodshed, the agency, at that point, decided to release the cattle. >> sreenivasan: so how many cattle are we talking about here in they rounded up a few hundred? did they release them all back? >> they did release them all back. they rounded up about 350 to 400 or so over the course of about a week. it was intended to be a month-long roundup that would have required gathering a few hundred more cows. that didn't happen. they stopped the roundup. so there's a lot of unanswered questions about what's going to happen next because there's no formal agreement between the blm and the bundies for the release of the cows. >> sreenivasan: so you were out there several days in the past couple of weeks. how many of the people that were out there to protest or to protect mr. bundy were aware of the issues with the b.l.m., and how many were there for their own sort of philosophical purposes, not recognizing the federal government? >> i'd say the vast majority was there more for the broader philosophical stance. they weren't necessarily familiar with b.l.m. or ranching issues. they were more there because of their agreement with mr. bundy, who has the expressed opinion that the federal government is overstepping its bounds and somehow infringing on his constitutional rights. so a lot of groups seized on him and looked at him as the figurehead for not just ranching or not just grazing but just these broader issues that they adadhered to. >> sreenivasan: are there still protesters out there? >> when i was out there a couple of days ago, there were about a couple dozen protesters. what once numbered in the hundreds is now down to just handful. >> sreenivasan: what are we talking about in terms of cash? how much does mr. bundy actually owe? >> according to the agency, he owes a little over $1 million in grazing fees, and that's a figure that's accumulated over the last 20 or so years since he stopped paying them. >> reporter: and what about the local authorities? what are they planning to do in the next week or two? >> well, the local authorities have not given any indication of what they will be doing, if anything. the local police were at the scene where the standoff was, so that they did have a hand in helping the event reach its conclusion. so, at this point, things have really been kind of in flux. the bundies have indicated the b.l.m. has sent four asserted letters to them that they've chosen not to open at this point. the b.l.m. hasn't said what's in those letters, so, at this point, things are pretty unpredictable at this point. >> sreenivasan: ben botkin from the las vegas review-journal. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> woodruff: in march of last year, the 14-year rule over venezuela by the controversial and charismatic hugo chavez came to a dramatic end when the leader died of cancer. his handpicked successor, nicolas maduro, was elected president soon after. as maduro marks the end of his first year in office tomorrow, divisions have deepened in a country that has become violent in recent months. chief foreign affairs correspondent margaret warner reports. >> reporter: late last week, after more than three months of sometimes deadly street protests throughout venezuela, president nicolas maduro met with his political opposition. the six-hour televised session brokered by the vatican and three south american foreign ministers attracted record ratings on venezuelan tv, reflecting the nation's anxiety at the street violence that killed more than 40 and posed the biggest challenge to the government in more than a decade. the alternative to finding an accommodation, said, maduro, is a dark one. >> imagine, it would be the beginning of an armed, violent civil confrontation, bloody, bloody, and no one would win anything. >> reporter: what began in january as demonstrations against rising crime mushroomed in february into massive marchs with hundreds of thousands protesting the scarcity of goods in security and the arrests of demonstrators. today there remains smaller but fervent localized protests in neighborhoods with barricades. the target, president maduro. maduro struggled to maintain chavez's aura but is swamped by an economic slide that brought this oil-rich country 57% inflation and near empty store shelves. and a further explosion in venezuela's rampant crime, creating what the u.n. says is now the second-highest murder rate in the world. this has made life unbearable for 19-year-old student christian alejandro martinez. he never protested before, but after having his house robbed, car keys and car stolen, he's taken to the streets. he and fellow students feel their future is slipping away. >> we can't see it on the horizon. we are studying, but we don't really know if we're going to ever achieve our careers. we don't know if we're going to go out some day at night and get shot at. so how can you live in this situation? >> reporter: and martinez has no faith in maduro as he did in chaaávez. >> i do believe that hugo chaaáz had a plan, a plan that had ideals and a way of thinking that it would be better for the community. >> reporter: chaaávez called his plan bolivar in socialism, the goals were social justice, empowering the poor with expanded government services and redistributing venezuela's vast oil riches to finance it. >> this is what chaaávez represented, this is what -- i think he put his finger on legitimate grievances in venezuela. i think for maduro and followers, this is a revolution he's committed to continue. the problem is this is a model that has obviously failed and obviously is unable to deliver basic goods to people, a reasonable economic environment with security protections. >> reporter: why don't it delivering anymore? two reasons says former venezuelan development director now at the carnegie endowment for intentional peace. >> the problem is the 21s 21st century socialism required two things that are no longer there. one -- -- based on a model of one person with decisions. it's what happened for 14 years. nobody else is involved. >> reporter: and chaaávez depended on venezuela's huge oil reserves the world's largest to fund his programs. but the maggot of that sector has cost the country's oil income to slip. >> the production has gone down. lack of investment in the oil industry again, that chaaávez is not a model of investment. it's a model of spending. >> reporter: to test the public's view of this a "newshour" crew went to san cristobal. >> you cannot go out on the streets and get what i want to feed my child. i always have to stand in line at the supermarket thinking about if i get back home alive. >> reporter: she doesn't stay long at her neighborhood's barricades. she's afraid to take her young son and helps the protesters with food and water. she has no confidence in maduro. >> maduro wants to do the same was he can't. he wants to be like chaaávez but is not. >> reporter: there are still those sticking with maduro, like marlene who lives with her mother in caracas, and depends on programs. >> this is a basic grocery but with very low prices. a pack of flour called two bolivars. on the open market, it's 35 or 50. why? because capitalism is structured in a way that we the poor can't buy what we need. >> reporter: she says her faith in chaaávez and maduro endures. >> chaaávez was a leader. he built schools for people who did not know how to read, and now many more people know how to read. this is socialism, and chaaávez transmitted this to president maduro. maduro's made mistakes. nobody's perfect but he's trying to lead things in a positive direction. >> chaaávez was always seeking their votes. he always spent money before elections. that is why he won. >> reporter: 50-year-old caracas-based engineer edgar rodrigues longo posed to chaaávz concedes he did improve the imawlt of life for many of venezuela's poor but says science of economic implosion are everywhere now. what's more, he says, maduro doesn't have the political skills to handle the country's changed circumstances, demonizing his opponents or those who suggest he should change force. >> there is a future if the president recognizes the other point of view, but he speaks only for himself and his people. we are talking for the other half of venezuela and the president is ignoring us. >> reporter: the "newshour" contacted the venezuelan embassy in washington for an interview to explore the government's perspective. we got no response. earlier this month, maduro in an op ed in "the new york times" took no responsibility but cast blame on chaaávez. the anti-government protests are carried out by people in the wealthier segments of society who seek to reverse the gains of the democratic process that have benefited the vast majority of the people, he wrote. now is the time for dialogue, we have extended a hand to the opposition. maduro didn't mention his government jailed a top member of that opposition, a former mayor lopez, for charges of unrest. what's more, statistics do not back up maduro's claim that this is an uprising of only the wealthy. >> venezuela's never had so many wealthy people. venezuela did not have such a large middle class and even the election results show that about half the country is against the government. that means there are millions of very poor people that they claim to represent, that the government claims to represent that are taking to the street. >> reporter: michael shifter thinks there's a bit more merit to maduro's charge. >> i think their expression of the profound discontent that's widespread in venezuela, but i think it's a mistake to interpret the protests as reflecting necessarily the majority opinion of venezuelans. >> reporter: there appear to be low expectations for the talks between the government and opposition. maduro didn't even attend the meeting that resumed this week. but if they don't produce any sort of reconciliation, what's the alternative? a second year for maduro and post-chaaávez venezuela that is worst than the first. >> woodruff: and to the analysis of shields and brooks-- that's syndicated columnist mark shields and "new york times" columnist david brooks. welcome, gentlemen. so the state department, the obama administration announcing, i guess surprising everybody today, mark, with this announcement that they're delaying the decision on what to do about extending the keystone oil pipeline. the reaction is all over the place. the canadians are upset. house speaker john boehner said it's shameful. the environmental groups are happy. >> yes, and i think the last point is the key. the people who care most passionately and intensely about the pipeline are those who are opposed to it, not unlike gun control, except entirely different cast of people and voters, but the environmental groups are -- they are cheered and they are an important constituency for the democrats heading into what looks to be a stormy 2014 election, and i don't think the white house or the state department, for that matter, wants to alienate that group at this point. >> reporter: so you think it's purely political? largely political? >> serious consideration here's that i'm totally unaware of, i'm sure, but first blush, that would be my take. >> woodruff: david, how do you read this? >> same. it's been about six years since they have been entertaining this and everyone i've spoken be over that time believe that they want to improve this thing eventually but not at politically unopportune times. nationally, about 65% of americans support it and 22% oppose it. it's the 22% who happen to be in the democratic base. >> woodruff: well, we could talk about this a long time but i want to ask you about the story we just heard hari reporting a few minutes ago, mark, and that is nevada's standoff between a cattle rancher and the federal government. he has refused to pay his grazing fees over the last several decades. they're saying he owes something like $1 million. there have been people armed standing there saying that these federal agents shouldn't be there. does this say something about what's going on out west? >> it does. it's a revolution, a rebellion started, judy, more than a generation ago, now. but, i mean, you know, looking at the equities of the situation, this man, mr. bundy, the a free loader. other ranchers pay grazing fees which are not owners so that their cattle can graze there. the responsibility of the bureau of land management is to make sure that that land is available for the next generation for multi-uses, not simply grazing, but for others as well and preservation. so i don't understand it. i give the folks at fox news great credit. this has been an orchestratedly-produced operation there, but they've tapped into something that there are some people who are just totally outraged at anything the federal government does. the federal government of the united states owns 87% of nevada and has essentially for quite a while. >> reporterwhile. >> woodruff: so, david, does this man have a legitimate grievous against the federal government? >> not the way he's doing it. he's self-discrediting, the way he's doing it you felt go out west and hear grievous against the b.l.m., and i think there's frustration working with the b.l.m. and it comes in waves. we're certainly not at a high wave. in the clinton years, you heard of high frustration, when the revolution was at its peak, but now you have low-levels. so this doesn't represent a mass movement. it seems like more pseudomilitia activity than a genuine rebellion. >> woodruff: so no sense this will spread to other parts of the west? >> i certainly have not heard that in my visits out there. >> woodruff: let's talk about what was the lead of our program tonight, mark, and that's ukraine, the surprise deal reached yesterday in geneva between the united states, russia, ukraine and the european union, trying to defuse what's been going on there. today, the reporting is all about these protesters in the eastern part of the country saying we're not going anywhere. where is this headed? >> i honestly don't know, judy. i will say that it appears that mr. putin's plan and the russian's plan is to partition the ukraine and this certainly, they call it generalization, but it is a partition of -- an eventual partition of sorts. whether it's to destabilize or delegitimize the elections of may 25, we don't know, but putin made a statement saying russia's federation council has provided the president with the right to deploy armed forces in ukraine. anybody who talks about himself in the third person makes me nervous. he's referring to himself. he says i really hope that i am not forced to use this right. i think that, you know, the situation has grown more serious and worse in the past, and the lack of sense of celebration on the part of the president or secretary kerry in announcing the agreement, their expectations seem to be minimal. >> woodruff: david, worse despite the deal yesterday? >> i agree with mark. obama's reaction is remarkable. they have the pseudobreakthrough and the president is realistic about it, that it probably won't amount to much. what happens in geneva may be about the timing, what happens in donetsk and place where is more militia groups are taking over buildings, that's a sideshow. the main show is in vladimir putin's brain. it's streaking there's just one person who matters here and the brain as he revealed it even in speeches this week is pretty aggressive, pretty assertive growing increasingly more assertive. it seems to me, in our response, we need a psychiatrist more than a foreign policy apparatus. we need to understand what is going to upset and disrupt him. i'm afraid the way we've done the sanctions has not been well tailored to a psychological campaign against vladimir putin. we've ratcheted it up slowly, hindered by the europeans. but beginning slowly, that will arouse his contempt, certainly not respect or fear. it might have been smarter if we could have done it with europeans, having all the sanctions unleashed right away to send a sharp shock at him. the next debate is what to do with the ukrainian army, how to help them, lethal, non-lethal aid, but somehow getting inside his head, which is the main arena, it seems to me the crucial task boof woof mark, go ahead. >> just one point. i guess where i disagree with david is on the sanctions. you have to bring the russians along -- i'm sorry -- the europeans along. we are dealing here and i give the president credit that he has not done the macho swagger to make this a matter of his manhood or earn his varsity letter. i think that has been strong and to his credit. we are dealing with the third largest defense budget in the world in the russians. only the united states and china has larger defense budgets. they have 270,000 troops, 50,000 of which are at the border of ukraine. ukraine has an army of 77,000, judy. it's not a first-class, first-rank. we're dealing to the point if it comes to military confrontation of realities here, and i think what may be a cautionary note for the russians is that they've seen us in iraq, for example, where invasion is a lot easier than occupation, and i think, you know, perhaps that will hold things back, but i agree with david that the sanctions have to be accelerated and intensified and that's going to require the cooperation and some suffering on the part of the europeans. >> woodruff: that's interesting you point it out about russian defenses because a lot of focus is on how relatively weak the russian economy is as compared to others. but david, the point is it's the military establishment in russia we should be worried about? >> yeah, american troops are not going to ukraine, but really we're trying to deal with an autocrat's head, how do you get him to think twice? i think the way you get it is not through kind gestures where he says, well, they're not being too provocative, i can relax, they're not scaring me. i don't think that's the way he thinks. i do think he thinks in a much more brutal terms. now, the debate's going on within the white house or at least was a couple of weeks ago, if we're aggressive in sending aid to the ukrainian army, does that send a shock to putin or does it give him a pretext to invade? and i think the administration decided maybe correctly that it's more likely to give him a pretext to be more aggressive. nonetheless, i think he's not a guy who's going to respond to our own self-restraints, he's going to respond to a unified sort of assertiveness. >> woodruff: all kinds of things i want to ask the two of you about in the few minutes left. i want to ask you, mark, about the pulitzer prize this week. among others, to the guardian newspaper, to "the washington post" for the reporting they did on the national security leaks from edward snowden. i guess my question is what was your reaction? did you see honoring the newspaper the same as honoring the man who delivered the leaks? >> no. >> woodruff: who's been seen as both a traitor and hero? >> no the pulitzer award goes to the dominant, most important news story in coverage, in reporting, and i think it's hard to argue this wasn't the most important news story and the reporting done on it was quite professional. the fact that, along wit, comes edward snowden is in no way, in my judgment, recognition of him as an heroic figure. he was central to it. he was indispensable to it. but we saw the part he played yesterday in mr. putin's press conference in russia. >> woodruff: that's why -- -- he certainly did not rise to heroic status, i wouldn't say, in that capacity. >> woodruff: david? ell, you know, i find him repellant as somebody talked about internal conversations in the "newshour" at the "new york times" and broadcast them, i would find that person repellant and doubly so when it's national security secrets when he's sworn an oath to do so. so i'm no fan of him. as for press coverage and whether it deserves recognition, i have complicated views. i'm a little made nervous by the fact they really benefit by what i think was a reel pellant, unpatriotic act. on the other hand, i must be honest about what we do in the media. a lot of our leaks and best stories come from people who are betraying confidence, from someone who's vee lating oath, some seek rior an understanding of what goes on. so we live in a business where we try to expose the truth but sometimes, as janet malcolm said years ago, we do it by relying on betrayal or some violated confidence, we do it sometimes by being not totally honest with the people we're dealing with, not being dismonths but by sort of seducing information out of people. and so this is a morally complicated business we're in like most businesses, and i don't have total problem with what "the washington post" did but don't have total comfort with it either. >> woodruff: you were saying yes. >> no, i understand, i think david's point is well made and well taken, and i don't know how you make him essential to the story -- >> woodruff: snowden. hat he's done is he made himself accountable for it. he did break the law, broke the oath that he took and has not accepted the consequences and refuses to do so. but i think it's impossible to deny that it started and the president acknowledged this, a much-needed, long-overdue conversation, that i think we're finally going to see as a consequence of these stories some element and some urgency in judicial review, in congressional review of what's been going on, and we found out that this n.s.a. apparently was collecting a lot of information, simply could collect a lot of information. >> us the true uh that sometimes good people produce good outcomes and sometime vice vers. >> woodruff: in your case, two people do two good outcomes. i've refriday. mark shields, david brooks, we thank you both. thank you. >> woodruff: finally tonight, we look at the seminal work and the life of author and nobel laureate gabriel garcia marquez. hari joins us again from our new york studio for this appreciation. >> sreenivasan: his poetic words evoked love and longing, fantasy and fatalism, and worldwide admiration. gabriel garcia marquez was the most popular spanish-language author since miguel de cervantes in the 17th century, outselling all other spanish literature except the bible. his novels and short stories exposed millions to latin american life, and to "magical realism", a style he discussed in an interview some years ago. >> ( translated ): i lived in a supernatural world, a fantastic world where everything was possible, where the most wonderful things were just daily things. >> sreenivasan: garcia marquez first gained fame with the epic novel "one hundred years of solitude," published in 1967. it sold more than 50 million copies worldwide. his birthplace in colombia, the small town of aracataca, was the inspiration for the village depicted in the book. biographer gerald martin. >> ( translated ): the colombian government created a system of national high schools and scholarships for disadvantaged students. garcia marquez won a scholarship and leapt through that window of opportunity a little bit like alice entering into wonderland or into magical realism. >> sreenivasan: the author's other beloved classics include "love in the time of cholera", "autumn of the patriarch", and "chronicle of a death foretold". and in 1982, his collective body of work won him the nobel prize for literature. garcia marquez was also known for his leftist politics, and for years, was denied a u.s. visa over his support of fidel castro and criticism of u.s. military interventions in vietnam and chile. but last night, fellow authors, including mexican writer jorge hernandez, said his literary contributions will be what's remembered. >> ( translated ): it's a sad day, but it's the first day of the first 100 years of an infinite solitude that we all share. no matter what language or what country, we must embrace all of his millions of readers. not just today, but in five centuries, people will continue to speak of gabriel garcia marquez and the literature he gave us. >> sreenivasan: gabriel garcia marquez was 87 years old. we take a closer look at the life and literature of gabriel garcia marquez with william kennedy. he's a journalist, pulitzer prize-winning author of the "albany cycle" novels, and was a long-time acquaintance of garcia marquez. for the uninitiated, what is it about his work that resonated so much first with latin americans and then with the rest of the world? >> i don't know. he had the secret, you know. he found the secret of how to tell the story of the human race in a single book, the great latin american novel became one of the great world novels of all time, and he did it with accessibility. it wasn't complex or exalted -- it was exalted prose but exalted in an accessible way, beautiful writing, funny, great wit, and very profound insights into what constitutes the family and the family of man, and he did it with such finesse and such control. >> sreenivasan: speaking of 100 years of solitude, you were one to have the first reviewers and quoted as saying the first piece of lit chiewrd since the book of genesis that should be required reading for the entire human race. that is high praise. why? >> well, i kept reading the back and i'd say to myself, this is a classic work. and it kept going on. and i would say, by god, it's an abundance of it, it just doesn't end. it's classic. and when i was finished with it, i was baffled as to how to review it because it was so phenomenally impressive to me. the story was so complex, and it takes you over, you know, 100 years in a family, and in a society that stands for everything. and it was a believable, credible story. he turned the fables, the myths of our lives and amidst it the greek myths, the irish myths, the spanish myths and made it everyday currency in the lives of these people that he invented. it wasn't mystical. it wasn't improbable. it wasn't a fairytale. it was the ghost walked, the ghosts disappear, come back, grow old, and it was just a very natural progression of life and told in these wonderful anecdotes that he strung together to create this world and this family of juan diaz, it was like nothing else. i mean, when you read the book, you've never read a book like this before. >> sreenivasan: you knew him personally as a friend. what was he like a person? what was it like to hang out with him? >> well, it was fun. he was a great conversationalist. he was a story teller. everything he told had a funny twist to it. he had a great wit, and he was a great guy. but he was also -- he wouldn't monopolize the conversation except if you wanted him to. he was an easy-going conversationalist, and then a great presence. >> sreenivasan: william kennedy, thanks so much for your recollections. >> woodruff: again, the major developments of the day: pro-russian separatists refused to give up their weapons or the government buildings they've seized across eastern ukraine. the state department announced a new delay in approving the keystone oil pipeline project. environmental groups praised the move; republicans, including house speaker john boehner, were harshly critical. and in what may be the deadliest single incident on mount everest, an avalanche killed a dozen sherpa guides. four others were missing. on the newshour online right now, a group of students in detroit are planning to make a trip to michigan's capital to protest a "zero tolerance" approach to school discipline. that might not seem like much of an undertaking, but they're making the 90-mile trek on foot. it's part of a three-day march called "youth voice." read about that on our "rundown." all that and more is on our web site, newshour.pbs.org. and a reminder about some upcoming programs from our pbs colleagues. gwen ifill is preparing for "washington week," which airs later this evening. here's a preview: >> ifill: we are going deep on the cry vies in ukraine, on the politics of healthcare and the politics of money and on the troubling face of domestic terrorism. that's later tonight on "washington week." >> woodruff: on tomorrow's edition of pbs newshour weekend, correspondent dr. emily senay reports on a groundbreaking new class of drugs, and why they cost more in the u.s. than elsewhere in the world. phillip deluca found out his bone marrow wasn't producing enough normal red blood cells and if the levels slipped too low, it could be life-threatening. deluca's medication procrit is known as a biologic, a relatively young and revolutionary class of drugs. the b biologic medication helped but is also extremely expensive. >> i was shocked. i had no idea that this could cost this much. >> reporter: why is it so expensive? some critics say because there's no system in place in this country that would make generic biologics available, but they are sold overseas and at a much lower price and have been for nearly eight years. there they are known as asbiosimilars. >> woodruff: and we'll be back, right here, on monday, with a conversation 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>> woodruff: and it's friday. mark shields and david brooks are here to analyze the week's news. those are just some of the stories we're covering on tonight's pbs newshour. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: >> charles schwab, proud supporter of the "pbs newshour." >> and by bnsf railway. bae systems. inspired work. >> and with the ongoing support of these institutions and foundations. and friends of the newshour. >> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> woodruff: a final decision on a much-debated extension of the keystone oil pipeline has been delayed again, possibly until after the november elections. the u.s. state department today extended the federal review of the project indefinitely. it cited a nebraska court fight over the route. the pipeline would extend from canada to nebraska, then connect with existing lines carrying crude oil to refineries in texas. an avalanche on mount everest killed at least 12 sherpa guides today and left four others missing. the disaster was the deadliest ever on the world's highest peak, in nepal. it happened just shy of 21,000 feet, about 8,000 feet below the summit. guides had gone out early to fix ropes for climbers, including australian gavin turner. >> the experience was great. it was going well, and then suddenly there was a huge thud. we got covered by this enormous cloud of snow and snow dust, and, for a few seconds, i thought, wow, this is going to take me out. >> woodruff: hundreds of climbers and guides are at everest's base camp, preparing to scale the peak next month, when the weather is mildest. hope dimmed even further in south korea today for some 270 people, many of them high school students, who were on a ferry that capsized wednesday. rescue teams kept up their efforts even as the ship sank from view. jane dodge of independent television news narrates this report. >> reporter: a last glimpse of the "sewol" before it disappeared beneath the waves early this morning. two large inflatables now mark its position. the rescue operation has become more of a recovery process as bodies are brought ashore. there has been progress of sorts. divers managed to gain entry to part of the vessel. >> two divers opened the door of the cargo department and went in. they didn't find any survivors. >> reporter: anger at the south korean authorities once again boiled over today. originally told their children were safe, families now wait to hear their fate, aware time is against them. >> ( translated ): they have to hurry. >> reporter: the captain is believed to be one of the group seen leaving the ship before it capsized. here, he's wrapping himself in a blanket. lee joon seok and two other members of the crew have now been arrested. it emerged today he wasn't at the wheel when the vessel started to list. most on board were school children. the teacher in charge have been found in the gym where parents waited for news. in a suicide note, he said he couldn't live for himself and asked his ashes be scattered at the site of the tragedy. investigators now believe an abrupt change of direction may have caused cargo to shift to one side and the ferry to tilt over. but it's not the answers families want right now; they're desperate to get their children back. >> woodruff: for now, the confirmed death count stands at 28. a powerful earthquake shook central and southern mexico today, but there were no reports of major damage. the epicenter was northwest of the pacific resort of acapulco, but the quake was felt in mexico city, as well. the shaking lasted about 30 seconds and sent people running into the streets. the u.s. geological survey said it registered a 7.2 magnitude. around the world, christians commemorated the crucifixion of jesus on this good friday. in jerusalem, thousands of pilgrims lined the cobblestone streets of the old city. some carried wooden crosses, tracing the traditional route that jesus walked. and in the philippines, some people had themselves nailed to crosses despite the catholic church's efforts to discourage the rite. there's a new warning on marijuana even as cities and states move to decriminalize it. a study of young adults finds even casual use of pot may harm parts of the brain that control emotion and motivation. it's unclear if the damage can be reversed. the study was done at harvard and northwestern medical schools and massachusetts general hospital. it's being published in the "journal of neuroscience." still to come on the newshour: russia-leaning separatists defy a deal to deescalate the ukraine crisis; one rancher's standoff with the government over land and cattle; the months-long wave of political unrest in venezuela; mark shields and david brooks on the week's news; plus, remembering one of latin america's literary giants. despite thursday's surprise agreement by the u.s., russia, ukraine, and the european union to de-escalate tensions in eastern ukraine, there's little evidence that any of the terms of the deal are taking hold in the country. lindsey hilsum of independent television news is in donetsk and filed this report. >> reporter: he was tidying up, not tearing down his barricade, the man in the "world of tanks" t-shirt. he and his friends have no intention of handing back the armored vehicle they seized from ukrainian troops. in fact, in sloviansk today, it was clear that none of the pro- russian protesters were going anywhere. people i've been talking to say they're not very interested in what was decided in geneva yesterday. and they're not going to abandon the municipal buildings they've taken over or take down their barricades until the government goes because, they say, "how did this government in kiev get to power? exactly like this. by staying out on the streets." a ukrainian mig fighter flew overhead. the authorities in kiev may rule the skies, but they have little power here on the ground. >> ( translated ): we will not remove the barricades until these jets and tanks have gone. they're threatening to shoot us and our children. >> reporter: so, are you going to take these barricades down, like they said you should in geneva? >> ( translated ): we will only go when people are left in peace, when we have freedom. >> reporter: it was the same story in the regional capital, where the leader of the self- proclaimed donetsk people's republic said he'd only leave his government building if the president and prime minister in kiev did likewise. >> ( translated ): this is an absolutely nominal agreement, but everyone has to leave the buildings, including comrades yatensiuk and turchynov, who also occupy their place as the illegal result of a military coup. after they do, we will agree to follow suit. >> reporter: then, presidential candidate yulia tymshenko came to town. >> ( translated ): the purpose of my visit is to understand what ukrainians who live in donetsk are demanding from the central government. i'd like to listen to these demands myself and find out how serious they are, to find a necessary compromise between east and west that will allow us to unify the country. >> reporter: she's not much loved here, but would like to be. in parliament in kiev, they were blaming russia for everything while also trying to sound conciliatory, hoping to hang on for the elections in a month's time. the tension has, to some extent, abated in eastern ukraine, but nothing's resolved and the government in kiev seems powerless to change that. >> woodruff: for more on ukraine, i spoke to president obama's deputy national security advisor, ben rhodes, a short time ago. ben rhodes, welcome. as we just heard in that report, a number of the people who are occupying these buildings in eastern ukraine say they're not going to leave, they're not going to give them up. does that undercut the deal that was reached yesterday in geneva? >> we believe the russian government has a tremendous amount of influence with at least a portion of these protesters. we would like to see them use all their influence, their public statements, private comments to encourage these protesters to leave these buildings, to disarm. the ukrainian government is keeping its end of the bargain, took steps toward passing an amnesty law and we'll be watching this to see if the russians are using influence and if the protesters are pulling back. >> woodruff: even if some of the protesters listen to moscow, there are still others who say they're ukrainian and they don't respect the government in kiev and they're not budging, no matter what moscow tells them. >> what we see is actually the vast majority of the ukrainian people, including a majority of people in the east do support the unity of ukraine and the government in kiev, and there's a way to address the concerns of some of those minority populations including ethnic russias which is through a constitutional reform process and the ukrainian government committed to decentralization, rights of minorities proteg ticketed, protecting the right of russian language, so there's a path for the protesters to have grievances met through politics and not armed actions we've seen. >> woodruff: one of the arguments they're making is they're simply doing what the protesters in kiev have done which is take to the streets, hold their ground until they see the government doing what they want. i mean, why isn't that a valid argument? >> well, there's a huge difference here, judy, which is the fact is, in the protest in kiev, you had tens and some cases hundreds of thousands of people taking to the streets in these protests to have their voices heard. we've not seen that by any measure in the east. what we've seen is very small protests in the hundreds and very or organized armed groups a coordinated fashion taking over these buildings. so this has not been a groundswell of popular opinion manifested by tens of thousands of people taking to the streets. thithis has been small numbers f armed men taking over government buildings in a coordinated fashion we believe clearly with some support from moscow and feels much more like a play to destabilize the country rather than a popular movement that emerged organically as was the case in kiev. >> woodruff: even having said that, these protesters, again, pointing to kiev, is the u.s. saying to the kiev government, we want these protesters in kiev who are occupying the midan to stand down? >> they're saying all paramilitary group should lay down arms and not occupy buildings, applying to the protesters in the west and east. the ukrainian government has taken steps to disarm extreme nationalists engaged in activities like taking over government buildings in the west as well. this applies not just in the east but across the country. again, the government in kiev has made the commitments. prime minister yatsenyuk went to the east to have dialogue with some to have the protesters. we believe the dialogue is important in ukraine as well as the international community. >> woodruff: but if ukrainians, if the protesters in eastern ukraine don't do what the u.s. is asking, if russia doesn't do what the u.s. is asking, the president and others have said there will be more consequences. but what we've seen so far is that the sanctions haven't really had much of an effect on mr. putin. what makes the administration, what makes the president think more sanctions will have an effect? >> well, first of all, we've put in place a series of sanctions. we also have an executive order that gives us broader authorities to target individuals and entities that they control that are important to the russian economy and also potentially sectors of the russian economy. we have seen president putin pause with the forces on the border where he's pass binged significant military forces and seen this destabilization taking place in eastern ukraine. we haven't seen the worst case scenario which is russians coming across the border. so that is in place. but we have been clear that if we continue the see destabilizing activities that we believe are rooted in moscow's policy, we'll move to additional sanctions. again, if we start to go after additional individuals who are important in the russian economy and important to the russian leadership as well as the companies and banks that they are responsible for, we believe we can have a significant impact on the russians. in fact, we've already seen their forecast of the economy downgraded. capital flying out to have the country. so it is having an effect. just how much does its have to sink in for the russians to change calculus and pursue this through politics instead of force. that's what we have an opportunity to do through geneva and if we don't see them follow through we'll move to additional sanctions. >> woodruff: ben rhodes, deputy national security advisor. thanks very much. >> good to be with you. >> woodruff: now to a story that takes us out to the western u.s., to nevada, where a standoff between the federal government and a local cattle rancher involving an armed militia almost turned violent. hari sreenivasan is in our new york studio with this report. >> sreenivasan: armed militia men, pointing guns at federal officials, over cattle. for more than 20 years, nevada rancher cliven bundy has refused to pay fees for grazing cattle on public lands, some 80 miles north of las vegas. the u.s. bureau of land management says bundy now owes close to $1 million. he says his family has used the land since the 1870s. last year, a federal judge ordered bundy to remove his livestock. he ignored the order, and two weeks ago, b.l.m. agents rounded up more than 400 head of his cattle. last weekend, armed militia members and states' right protesters showed up to challenge the move. >> i came here because i don't believe the b.l.m. has any authority, whatsoever. they have no law enforcement authority in clark county, and they have no business whatsoever destroying the pursuit of happiness of one of our friends and brothers. >> sreenivasan: rather than risk violence, the b.l.m. did an about-face and released the cattle. but the dust-up has put longstanding disputes over western range rights squarely in the spotlight. last night, nevada democratic senator harry reid blasted the protesters. >> these people, who hold themselves out to be patriots, are not. they're nothing more than domestic terrorists. and i think we are a country where people should follow the law. >> sreenivasan: the b.l.m. now says it is pursuing a peaceful resolution through the courts. we're joined by ben botkin from the las vegas review-journal. how did this escalate into the standoff it was? >> well, the entire situation leading up to the standoff took 20 years, was 20 years in the making. you had a couple of court orders that the b.l.m. obtained to obtain the cattle, which that came because cliven bundy wasn't paying his grazing fees. but in the last few days before the standoff, you had a bunch of different types of groups and people, everyone from groups that call themselves militia to so-called patriot groups and others across the country gather together over the course of several days leading up to saturday, and at that point saturday the bundy family took the protesters, went up to the corral where the blm had rounded up their cattlele, and after a short and brief negotiation and standoff, the blm decided to release several hundred cows back to the family. there's no formal agreement, but during that standoff, there were guns drawn from both sides, so rather than run the risk of bloodshed, the agency, at that point, decided to release the cattle. >> sreenivasan: so how many cattle are we talking about here in they rounded up a few hundred? did they release them all back? >> they did release them all back. they rounded up about 350 to 400 or so over the course of about a week. it was intended to be a month-long roundup that would have required gathering a few hundred more cows. that didn't happen. they stopped the roundup. so there's a lot of unanswered questions about what's going to happen next because there's no formal agreement between the blm and the bundies for the release of the cows. >> sreenivasan: so you were out there several days in the past couple of weeks. how many of the people that were out there to protest or to protect mr. bundy were aware of the issues with the b.l.m., and how many were there for their own sort of philosophical purposes, not recognizing the federal government? >> i'd say the vast majority was there more for the broader philosophical stance. they weren't necessarily familiar with b.l.m. or ranching issues. they were more there because of their agreement with mr. bundy, who has the expressed opinion that the federal government is overstepping its bounds and somehow infringing on his constitutional rights. so a lot of groups seized on him and looked at him as the figurehead for not just ranching or not just grazing but just these broader issues that they adadhered to. >> sreenivasan: are there still protesters out there? >> when i was out there a couple of days ago, there were about a couple dozen protesters. what once numbered in the hundreds is now down to just handful. >> sreenivasan: what are we talking about in terms of cash? how much does mr. bundy actually owe? >> according to the agency, he owes a little over $1 million in grazing fees, and that's a figure that's accumulated over the last 20 or so years since he stopped paying them. >> reporter: and what about the local authorities? what are they planning to do in the next week or two? >> well, the local authorities have not given any indication of what they will be doing, if anything. the local police were at the scene where the standoff was, so that they did have a hand in helping the event reach its conclusion. so, at this point, things have really been kind of in flux. the bundies have indicated the b.l.m. has sent four asserted letters to them that they've chosen not to open at this point. the b.l.m. hasn't said what's in those letters, so, at this point, things are pretty unpredictable at this point. >> sreenivasan: ben botkin from the las vegas review-journal. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> woodruff: in march of last year, the 14-year rule over venezuela by the controversial and charismatic hugo chavez came to a dramatic end when the leader died of cancer. his handpicked successor, nicolas maduro, was elected president soon after. as maduro marks the end of his first year in office tomorrow, divisions have deepened in a country that has become violent in recent months. chief foreign affairs correspondent margaret warner reports. >> reporter: late last week, after more than three months of sometimes deadly street protests throughout venezuela, president nicolas maduro met with his political opposition. the six-hour televised session brokered by the vatican and three south american foreign ministers attracted record ratings on venezuelan tv, reflecting the nation's anxiety at the street violence that killed more than 40 and posed the biggest challenge to the government in more than a decade. the alternative to finding an accommodation, said, maduro, is a dark one. >> imagine, it would be the beginning of an armed, violent civil confrontation, bloody, bloody, and no one would win anything. >> reporter: what began in january as demonstrations against rising crime mushroomed in february into massive marchs with hundreds of thousands protesting the scarcity of goods in security and the arrests of demonstrators. today there remains smaller but fervent localized protests in neighborhoods with barricades. the target, president maduro. maduro struggled to maintain chavez's aura but is swamped by an economic slide that brought this oil-rich country 57% inflation and near empty store shelves. and a further explosion in venezuela's rampant crime, creating what the u.n. says is now the second-highest murder rate in the world. this has made life unbearable for 19-year-old student christian alejandro martinez. he never protested before, but after having his house robbed, car keys and car stolen, he's taken to the streets. he and fellow students feel their future is slipping away. >> we can't see it on the horizon. we are studying, but we don't really know if we're going to ever achieve our careers. we don't know if we're going to go out some day at night and get shot at. so how can you live in this situation? >> reporter: and martinez has no faith in maduro as he did in chaaávez. >> i do believe that hugo chaaáz had a plan, a plan that had ideals and a way of thinking that it would be better for the community. >> reporter: chaaávez called his plan bolivar in socialism, the goals were social justice, empowering the poor with expanded government services and redistributing venezuela's vast oil riches to finance it. >> this is what chaaávez represented, this is what -- i think he put his finger on legitimate grievances in venezuela. i think for maduro and followers, this is a revolution he's committed to continue. the problem is this is a model that has obviously failed and obviously is unable to deliver basic goods to people, a reasonable economic environment with security protections. >> reporter: why don't it delivering anymore? two reasons says former venezuelan development director now at the carnegie endowment for intentional peace. >> the problem is the 21s 21st century socialism required two things that are no longer there. one -- -- based on a model of one person with decisions. it's what happened for 14 years. nobody else is involved. >> reporter: and chaaávez depended on venezuela's huge oil reserves the world's largest to fund his programs. but the maggot of that sector has cost the country's oil income to slip. >> the production has gone down. lack of investment in the oil industry again, that chaaávez is not a model of investment. it's a model of spending. >> reporter: to test the public's view of this a "newshour" crew went to san cristobal. >> you cannot go out on the streets and get what i want to feed my child. i always have to stand in line at the supermarket thinking about if i get back home alive. >> reporter: she doesn't stay long at her neighborhood's barricades. she's afraid to take her young son and helps the protesters with food and water. she has no confidence in maduro. >> maduro wants to do the same was he can't. he wants to be like chaaávez but is not. >> reporter: there are still those sticking with maduro, like marlene who lives with her mother in caracas, and depends on programs. >> this is a basic grocery but with very low prices. a pack of flour called two bolivars. on the open market, it's 35 or 50. why? because capitalism is structured in a way that we the poor can't buy what we need. >> reporter: she says her faith in chaaávez and maduro endures. >> chaaávez was a leader. he built schools for people who did not know how to read, and now many more people know how to read. this is socialism, and chaaávez transmitted this to president maduro. maduro's made mistakes. nobody's perfect but he's trying to lead things in a positive direction. >> chaaávez was always seeking their votes. he always spent money before elections. that is why he won. >> reporter: 50-year-old caracas-based engineer edgar rodrigues longo posed to chaaávz concedes he did improve the imawlt of life for many of venezuela's poor but says science of economic implosion are everywhere now. what's more, he says, maduro doesn't have the political skills to handle the country's changed circumstances, demonizing his opponents or those who suggest he should change force. >> there is a future if the president recognizes the other point of view, but he speaks only for himself and his people. we are talking for the other half of venezuela and the president is ignoring us. >> reporter: the "newshour" contacted the venezuelan embassy in washington for an interview to explore the government's perspective. we got no response. earlier this month, maduro in an op ed in "the new york times" took no responsibility but cast blame on chaaávez. the anti-government protests are carried out by people in the wealthier segments of society who seek to reverse the gains of the democratic process that have benefited the vast majority of the people, he wrote. now is the time for dialogue, we have extended a hand to the opposition. maduro didn't mention his government jailed a top member of that opposition, a former mayor lopez, for charges of unrest. what's more, statistics do not back up maduro's claim that this is an uprising of only the wealthy. >> venezuela's never had so many wealthy people. venezuela did not have such a large middle class and even the election results show that about half the country is against the government. that means there are millions of very poor people that they claim to represent, that the government claims to represent that are taking to the street. >> reporter: michael shifter thinks there's a bit more merit to maduro's charge. >> i think their expression of the profound discontent that's widespread in venezuela, but i think it's a mistake to interpret the protests as reflecting necessarily the majority opinion of venezuelans. >> reporter: there appear to be low expectations for the talks between the government and opposition. maduro didn't even attend the meeting that resumed this week. but if they don't produce any sort of reconciliation, what's the alternative? a second year for maduro and post-chaaávez venezuela that is worst than the first. >> woodruff: and to the analysis of shields and brooks-- that's syndicated columnist mark shields and "new york times" columnist david brooks. welcome, gentlemen. so the state department, the obama administration announcing, i guess surprising everybody today, mark, with this announcement that they're delaying the decision on what to do about extending the keystone oil pipeline. the reaction is all over the place. the canadians are upset. house speaker john boehner said it's shameful. the environmental groups are happy. >> yes, and i think the last point is the key. the people who care most passionately and intensely about the pipeline are those who are opposed to it, not unlike gun control, except entirely different cast of people and voters, but the environmental groups are -- they are cheered and they are an important constituency for the democrats heading into what looks to be a stormy 2014 election, and i don't think the white house or the state department, for that matter, wants to alienate that group at this point. >> reporter: so you think it's purely political? largely political? >> serious consideration here's that i'm totally unaware of, i'm sure, but first blush, that would be my take. >> woodruff: david, how do you read this? >> same. it's been about six years since they have been entertaining this and everyone i've spoken be over that time believe that they want to improve this thing eventually but not at politically unopportune times. nationally, about 65% of americans support it and 22% oppose it. it's the 22% who happen to be in the democratic base. >> woodruff: well, we could talk about this a long time but i want to ask you about the story we just heard hari reporting a few minutes ago, mark, and that is nevada's standoff between a cattle rancher and the federal government. he has refused to pay his grazing fees over the last several decades. they're saying he owes something like $1 million. there have been people armed standing there saying that these federal agents shouldn't be there. does this say something about what's going on out west? >> it does. it's a revolution, a rebellion started, judy, more than a generation ago, now. but, i mean, you know, looking at the equities of the situation, this man, mr. bundy, the a free loader. other ranchers pay grazing fees which are not owners so that their cattle can graze there. the responsibility of the bureau of land management is to make sure that that land is available for the next generation for multi-uses, not simply grazing, but for others as well and preservation. so i don't understand it. i give the folks at fox news great credit. this has been an orchestratedly-produced operation there, but they've tapped into something that there are some people who are just totally outraged at anything the federal government does. the federal government of the united states owns 87% of nevada and has essentially for quite a while. >> reporterwhile. >> woodruff: so, david, does this man have a legitimate grievous against the federal government? >> not the way he's doing it. he's self-discrediting, the way he's doing it you felt go out west and hear grievous against the b.l.m., and i think there's frustration working with the b.l.m. and it comes in waves. we're certainly not at a high wave. in the clinton years, you heard of high frustration, when the revolution was at its peak, but now you have low-levels. so this doesn't represent a mass movement. it seems like more pseudomilitia activity than a genuine rebellion. >> woodruff: so no sense this will spread to other parts of the west? >> i certainly have not heard that in my visits out there. >> woodruff: let's talk about what was the lead of our program tonight, mark, and that's ukraine, the surprise deal reached yesterday in geneva between the united states, russia, ukraine and the european union, trying to defuse what's been going on there. today, the reporting is all about these protesters in the eastern part of the country saying we're not going anywhere. where is this headed? >> i honestly don't know, judy. i will say that it appears that mr. putin's plan and the russian's plan is to partition the ukraine and this certainly, they call it generalization, but it is a partition of -- an eventual partition of sorts. whether it's to destabilize or delegitimize the elections of may 25, we don't know, but putin made a statement saying russia's federation council has provided the president with the right to deploy armed forces in ukraine. anybody who talks about himself in the third person makes me nervous. he's referring to himself. he says i really hope that i am not forced to use this right. i think that, you know, the situation has grown more serious and worse in the past, and the lack of sense of celebration on the part of the president or secretary kerry in announcing the agreement, their expectations seem to be minimal. >> woodruff: david, worse despite the deal yesterday? >> i agree with mark. obama's reaction is remarkable. they have the pseudobreakthrough and the president is realistic about it, that it probably won't amount to much. what happens in geneva may be about the timing, what happens in donetsk and place where is more militia groups are taking over buildings, that's a sideshow. the main show is in vladimir putin's brain. it's streaking there's just one person who matters here and the brain as he revealed it even in speeches this week is pretty aggressive, pretty assertive growing increasingly more assertive. it seems to me, in our response, we need a psychiatrist more than a foreign policy apparatus. we need to understand what is going to upset and disrupt him. i'm afraid the way we've done the sanctions has not been well tailored to a psychological campaign against vladimir putin. we've ratcheted it up slowly, hindered by the europeans. but beginning slowly, that will arouse his contempt, certainly not respect or fear. it might have been smarter if we could have done it with europeans, having all the sanctions unleashed right away to send a sharp shock at him. the next debate is what to do with the ukrainian army, how to help them, lethal, non-lethal aid, but somehow getting inside his head, which is the main arena, it seems to me the crucial task boof woof mark, go ahead. >> just one point. i guess where i disagree with david is on the sanctions. you have to bring the russians along -- i'm sorry -- the europeans along. we are dealing here and i give the president credit that he has not done the macho swagger to make this a matter of his manhood or earn his varsity letter. i think that has been strong and to his credit. we are dealing with the third largest defense budget in the world in the russians. only the united states and china has larger defense budgets. they have 270,000 troops, 50,000 of which are at the border of ukraine. ukraine has an army of 77,000, judy. it's not a first-class, first-rank. we're dealing to the point if it comes to military confrontation of realities here, and i think what may be a cautionary note for the russians is that they've seen us in iraq, for example, where invasion is a lot easier than occupation, and i think, you know, perhaps that will hold things back, but i agree with david that the sanctions have to be accelerated and intensified and that's going to require the cooperation and some suffering on the part of the europeans. >> woodruff: that's interesting you point it out about russian defenses because a lot of focus is on how relatively weak the russian economy is as compared to others. but david, the point is it's the military establishment in russia we should be worried about? >> yeah, american troops are not going to ukraine, but really we're trying to deal with an autocrat's head, how do you get him to think twice? i think the way you get it is not through kind gestures where he says, well, they're not being too provocative, i can relax, they're not scaring me. i don't think that's the way he thinks. i do think he thinks in a much more brutal terms. now, the debate's going on within the white house or at least was a couple of weeks ago, if we're aggressive in sending aid to the ukrainian army, does that send a shock to putin or does it give him a pretext to invade? and i think the administration decided maybe correctly that it's more likely to give him a pretext to be more aggressive. nonetheless, i think he's not a guy who's going to respond to our own self-restraints, he's going to respond to a unified sort of assertiveness. >> woodruff: all kinds of things i want to ask the two of you about in the few minutes left. i want to ask you, mark, about the pulitzer prize this week. among others, to the guardian newspaper, to "the washington post" for the reporting they did on the national security leaks from edward snowden. i guess my question is what was your reaction? did you see honoring the newspaper the same as honoring the man who delivered the leaks? >> no. >> woodruff: who's been seen as both a traitor and hero? >> no the pulitzer award goes to the dominant, most important news story in coverage, in reporting, and i think it's hard to argue this wasn't the most important news story and the reporting done on it was quite professional. the fact that, along wit, comes edward snowden is in no way, in my judgment, recognition of him as an heroic figure. he was central to it. he was indispensable to it. but we saw the part he played yesterday in mr. putin's press conference in russia. >> woodruff: that's why -- -- he certainly did not rise to heroic status, i wouldn't say, in that capacity. >> woodruff: david? ell, you know, i find him repellant as somebody talked about internal conversations in the "newshour" at the "new york times" and broadcast them, i would find that person repellant and doubly so when it's national security secrets when he's sworn an oath to do so. so i'm no fan of him. as for press coverage and whether it deserves recognition, i have complicated views. i'm a little made nervous by the fact they really benefit by what i think was a reel pellant, unpatriotic act. on the other hand, i must be honest about what we do in the media. a lot of our leaks and best stories come from people who are betraying confidence, from someone who's vee lating oath, some seek rior an understanding of what goes on. so we live in a business where we try to expose the truth but sometimes, as janet malcolm said years ago, we do it by relying on betrayal or some violated confidence, we do it sometimes by being not totally honest with the people we're dealing with, not being dismonths but by sort of seducing information out of people. and so this is a morally complicated business we're in like most businesses, and i don't have total problem with what "the washington post" did but don't have total comfort with it either. >> woodruff: you were saying yes. >> no, i understand, i think david's point is well made and well taken, and i don't know how you make him essential to the story -- >> woodruff: snowden. hat he's done is he made himself accountable for it. he did break the law, broke the oath that he took and has not accepted the consequences and refuses to do so. but i think it's impossible to deny that it started and the president acknowledged this, a much-needed, long-overdue conversation, that i think we're finally going to see as a consequence of these stories some element and some urgency in judicial review, in congressional review of what's been going on, and we found out that this n.s.a. apparently was collecting a lot of information, simply could collect a lot of information. >> us the true uh that sometimes good people produce good outcomes and sometime vice vers. >> woodruff: in your case, two people do two good outcomes. i've refriday. mark shields, david brooks, we thank you both. thank you. >> woodruff: finally tonight, we look at the seminal work and the life of author and nobel laureate gabriel garcia marquez. hari joins us again from our new york studio for this appreciation. >> sreenivasan: his poetic words evoked love and longing, fantasy and fatalism, and worldwide admiration. gabriel garcia marquez was the most popular spanish-language author since miguel de cervantes in the 17th century, outselling all other spanish literature except the bible. his novels and short stories exposed millions to latin american life, and to "magical realism", a style he discussed in an interview some years ago. >> ( translated ): i lived in a supernatural world, a fantastic world where everything was possible, where the most wonderful things were just daily things. >> sreenivasan: garcia marquez first gained fame with the epic novel "one hundred years of solitude," published in 1967. it sold more than 50 million copies worldwide. his birthplace in colombia, the small town of aracataca, was the inspiration for the village depicted in the book. biographer gerald martin. >> ( translated ): the colombian government created a system of national high schools and scholarships for disadvantaged students. garcia marquez won a scholarship and leapt through that window of opportunity a little bit like alice entering into wonderland or into magical realism. >> sreenivasan: the author's other beloved classics include "love in the time of cholera", "autumn of the patriarch", and "chronicle of a death foretold". and in 1982, his collective body of work won him the nobel prize for literature. garcia marquez was also known for his leftist politics, and for years, was denied a u.s. visa over his support of fidel castro and criticism of u.s. military interventions in vietnam and chile. but last night, fellow authors, including mexican writer jorge hernandez, said his literary contributions will be what's remembered. >> ( translated ): it's a sad day, but it's the first day of the first 100 years of an infinite solitude that we all share. no matter what language or what country, we must embrace all of his millions of readers. not just today, but in five centuries, people will continue to speak of gabriel garcia marquez and the literature he gave us. >> sreenivasan: gabriel garcia marquez was 87 years old. we take a closer look at the life and literature of gabriel garcia marquez with william kennedy. he's a journalist, pulitzer prize-winning author of the "albany cycle" novels, and was a long-time acquaintance of garcia marquez. for the uninitiated, what is it about his work that resonated so much first with latin americans and then with the rest of the world? >> i don't know. he had the secret, you know. he found the secret of how to tell the story of the human race in a single book, the great latin american novel became one of the great world novels of all time, and he did it with accessibility. it wasn't complex or exalted -- it was exalted prose but exalted in an accessible way, beautiful writing, funny, great wit, and very profound insights into what constitutes the family and the family of man, and he did it with such finesse and such control. >> sreenivasan: speaking of 100 years of solitude, you were one to have the first reviewers and quoted as saying the first piece of lit chiewrd since the book of genesis that should be required reading for the entire human race. that is high praise. why? >> well, i kept reading the back and i'd say to myself, this is a classic work. and it kept going on. and i would say, by god, it's an abundance of it, it just doesn't end. it's classic. and when i was finished with it, i was baffled as to how to review it because it was so phenomenally impressive to me. the story was so complex, and it takes you over, you know, 100 years in a family, and in a society that stands for everything. and it was a believable, credible story. he turned the fables, the myths of our lives and amidst it the greek myths, the irish myths, the spanish myths and made it everyday currency in the lives of these people that he invented. it wasn't mystical. it wasn't improbable. it wasn't a fairytale. it was the ghost walked, the ghosts disappear, come back, grow old, and it was just a very natural progression of life and told in these wonderful anecdotes that he strung together to create this world and this family of juan diaz, it was like nothing else. i mean, when you read the book, you've never read a book like this before. >> sreenivasan: you knew him personally as a friend. what was he like a person? what was it like to hang out with him? >> well, it was fun. he was a great conversationalist. he was a story teller. everything he told had a funny twist to it. he had a great wit, and he was a great guy. but he was also -- he wouldn't monopolize the conversation except if you wanted him to. he was an easy-going conversationalist, and then a great presence. >> sreenivasan: william kennedy, thanks so much for your recollections. >> woodruff: again, the major developments of the day: pro-russian separatists refused to give up their weapons or the government buildings they've seized across eastern ukraine. the state department announced a new delay in approving the keystone oil pipeline project. environmental groups praised the move; republicans, including house speaker john boehner, were harshly critical. and in what may be the deadliest single incident on mount everest, an avalanche killed a dozen sherpa guides. four others were missing. on the newshour online right now, a group of students in detroit are planning to make a trip to michigan's capital to protest a "zero tolerance" approach to school discipline. that might not seem like much of an undertaking, but they're making the 90-mile trek on foot. it's part of a three-day march called "youth voice." read about that on our "rundown." all that and more is on our web site, newshour.pbs.org. and a reminder about some upcoming programs from our pbs colleagues. gwen ifill is preparing for "washington week," which airs later this evening. here's a preview: >> ifill: we are going deep on the cry vies in ukraine, on the politics of healthcare and the politics of money and on the troubling face of domestic 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that's only the start of the twists in this hollywood mystery. >> this is stranger than fiction, nobody would write a script like this. >> most stunning of all, what didn't happen. >> my mom said to me, don't you [ bleep ] die. hit harder than bullets. my mom never swore. ♪ hello, welcome to "dateline," garrett warren was a hollywood stunt man who made his living pulling off death defying acts. one night he opened the door for a stranger and found himself in the middle of a terrifying scene that was all too real. garrett was looking down the barrel of a gun. moments later, four shots rang out, and soon investigators would be embroiled in a whodunnit with more twists than a feature film. here's josh mankiewicz with "the plot thickens." >> ready, action. >> action. >> action. >> it ranks second only to money as the single most important word in hollywood. and here in l.a., where life and art are often the same thing, there's a real life drama that rivals any action movie with a plot that includes all the elements of classic film noir. a mystery featuring an assassin, a femme fatale, a hollywood star and a stunt man who takes the fall. as for the money, we'll get to that. let's start with the biggest name on the marquee, joe pesci, famous for roles as cold-blooded killer. this features claudia haro, a model who appeared with pesci in "casino." supporting staff includes her brother manny haro, who did time and harbors a secret in his past. and claudia's second husband, garrett warren, hollywood stunt man, very familiar with danger. fade in, early evening in the quiet town of west lake village, california, outside of l.a. stunt man garrett warren heard a knock on his door and a voice on the other side asking about his silver volvo in the driveway. garrett answers, then our first plot twist, three shots into his body. one more into garrett's right eye, the daredevil's luck had run out. >> i called and his mother answered the phone, screaming, crying, just distraught, wally, you're not going to believe what happened. what? garrett's been shot. >> wally crowder was a fellow stunt man and garrett's good friend. >> garrett was one of those men that you can count on. you hear in life you're lucky if you have five friends or can count a friend on one hand, garrett was that friend to me. >> wally's been in the business more than 30 years. >> garrett warren was probably the finest fight man you can ask for. i had hired him on several shows, got to know him, watched his expertise, phenomenal athlete/stunt man. >> you've probably seen garrett warren's work, you just didn't know it. his stunt work was featured in "charlie's angels" and "double-team" with jane claude van dam van damme. >> i want the best at what they do. >> but towards end of 1997 the focus shifted when garrett warren met claudia haro. >> beautiful woman, just wanted garrett to be happy, he had found somebody it seemed like he genuinely loved and wanted to start a life with. >> there was something special about her, i think people that got to know her, just a beautiful soul. >> claudia's good friend julie araskog remembers when claudia and garrett first got together. says to you, i met this guy. >> and she was very excited. i was big fan of garrett's, he was sweet and funny and she just seemed so happy with him. i should say joe and i both were supportive. >> referring to claudia's ex-husband, a character actor who became a star playing mafia tough guys joe pesci. didn't end badly? >> not at all. they're like family, very, very close. >> claudia stayed close to joe pesci even after she started dating garrett who came from a different part of the movie business. garrett loved action and adventure but when he met claudia, he was ready to settle down. >> we felt this would be the gal that garrett would end up with, no more dating, running around, end up with claudia. >> garrett and claudia were married less than a year after they met. >> in the beginning think it was a very good relationship. >> oh, my gosh. >> they soon had a beautiful daughter, kyla, they enjoyed being parents. >> i love you guys. >> love you too. >> but happy scenes like this one did not last. claudia and garrett couldn't make it work. >> it was a series of events. just wasn't the right marriage. >> once the relationship started going south, it went fast. less than two years after their wedding, claudia and garrett split up for good. >> divorce is never easy, but in the long run it was two parents trying to figure out a way to live and both see their children. >> garrett went back to his old life as a stunt man, back to the set and the world of make believe, so then how did his life go from playing dead to bleeding out on the floor of his home, shot four times at close range? >> somebody definitely wanted him hurt or dead at that time. >> but who? detective mark gayman of the l.a. county sheriffs department said investigators looked at every angle. remembering how the gunman at first asked about brand new v volvo, wondered if it would be road rage, tangled with on the freeways. >> guessing he doesn't always drive the speed limit or use his blinker to change lanes. >> could be possible. >> or could be personal. >> ex-business partner or somebody he was dating that was jealous, ex-husband or ex-boyfriend. an array of possibles of who could have done this. >> possibilities that led from the bloody crime scene to bright lights of the movie business to the parts of l.a. that tourists never see. >> who did want garrett warren dead? seemed to be an entire cast of suspects. . coming up, getting ready to say goodbye to a friend. >> i'm going to lose my friend, he's not going to make it. >> when "dateline" continues. just like your fingertips, your lips have a unique print and unique needs your lips are like no others, and need a lip routine that's just right for you chapstick has you covered chapstick. put your lips first. with this one little nexgard chew comes power, confidence, reassurance you're doing what's right, to protect your dog from fleas and ticks for a full month. this one little nexgard chew is the #1 vet recommended protection. and it's the only chew, fda approved to prevent infections that cause lyme disease. plus, it's safe for puppies. there's a lot of power in this one little nexgard chew. nexgard. what one little chew can do. it's starting to people are surprising themselves the moment they realize they can du more with less asthma. thanks to dupixent, the add-on treatment for specific types of moderate-to-severe asthma. dupixent isn't for sudden breathing problems. it can improve lung function for better breathing in as little as 2 weeks and help prevent severe asthma attacks. it's not a steroid but can help reduce or eliminate oral steroids. don't use if allergic to dupixent. serious allergic reactions can occur, including anaphylaxis, which is severe. tell your doctor right away suspects. such as rash, shortness of breath, chest pain, tingling or numbness in your limbs. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection and before stopping any asthma medicines, including oral steroids. du more with less asthma. talk to your doctor about dupixent. 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it's one that neither garrett's family nor the gunman saw coming. this is garrett warren today. >> thank god i'm still here. i mean i was very fortunate, lucky, blessed. >> to the surprise of the doctors treating him, garrett warren pulled through. and he lived to tell the story of the night he was almost murdered. a flashback as vivid now as it was then. here's bullet one. >> to be honest with you, when a bullet hits you, you don't really know that it hit you. not like you see in the movies. as i slipped to the side, hit center mass, by chest, passed the heart and stuck in the rib cage right here, still there. >> then bullet two. >> so i looked down and back up, here came another one, i slipped my head to the side, when that happened, hit me in the neck and went straight out my back. >> bullet number three. >> then i realized this is for real, went to close the door and he shot center mass, hit me in the hip, straight out my back, past the hip, hurt, hit the bone. >> if that sounds gruesome, hang on for what's next. >> fell back to the ground, and he put the gun to my head. first thing i did when i saw him squeeze the trigger i flinched like this, like a fighter would. went through eye, came out my ear, stuck in the wall behind my head. >> pretty good reflexes. >> but if it was "the matrix," wasn't good. like keanu go back and bullet still hitting him. as much as i moved, still got hit. >> somehow the bullet that went through garrett's head misseds brain. >> when they tell you your life passes before your eyes, it doesn't, you run through it, think of everything that happened in your life and wonder did i do anything wrong, not make up for it? am i ready to die? >> at the time of the shooting garrett's mother was at his home helping with baby kyla, ran to see what was happening and gunman took two shots at her but he missed. then out of bullets he fled. >> i looked at her, i said i love you mom, see you on the other side. my mom said to me don't you [ bleep ] die. i was shocked. hit me harder than the bullets, my mom never swore, she shook me, said don't you [ bleep ] die, you've been a fighter all your life, fight one more time for me. i looked at her, said all right, you got it, not going to go, i'll stay. >> as garrett ran through his life, he looked back on his failed marriage to claudia haro. >> it was true love, things that poetry was written about, movies were made of. >> hi daddy, what's up? >> that brief marriage produced their daughter kyla, even though the marriage didn't last, the bond both parents felt with kyla surely did. >> my daughter's being born was the most amazing part of my life and probably one of the greatest things i can leave as my legacy i guess. >> when the marriage broke up, there was a nasty fight over who would get custody of kyla. in midst of it, claudia made perhaps the worst accusation you could make, claimed garrett had sexually molested their daughter. after thorough investigation, court ruled there was no evidence of abuse but it was shortly after that that gunman showed up at the home. naturally the detectives brought in claudia for questions. >> just another road we went down in the investigation. could it be an ex? >> claudia was cooperative, didn't appear to have ties to the shooting, had a strong alibi, expressed concern for garrett. investigators were satisfied she wasn't involved. they kept talking to garrett who got a glimpse of the man who shot him. >> difficult to decipher ethnicity looking through peep hole in my door. >> not someone you knew? >> no. >> sheriffs department tried to piece together theories. i'm guessing you asked garrett if he was carrying on with someone. >> looked at his life, lifestyle, business. >> high energy lifestyle from the gym he owned to the film circles he ran in, garrett warren had no shortage of adventures. but investigators received a tip suggesting that garrett also had enemies. >> sheriffs station received an anonymous letter advising that there were people involved at the gym that garrett was having relationship with, people that might be of interest to detectives. >> detectives checked out every name that came up, followed up every lead, hit a dead end every turn. depressing? >> very depressing, sometimes you just need one break, phone call, somebody giving up information, another road to go down, adventure to try. >> it took almost two years before that break arrived. that's when police in another county, searching a car for drugs, instead found a note and a photo that would make clear just what kind of danger garrett warren was facing. >> coming up, was garrett warren's would-be killer about to try for take two? >> i'm scared to death someone's going to come back and finish it. >> when "dateline" continues. these folks don't have time to go to the post office they use stamps.com all the services of the post office only cheaper get a 4-week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to stamps.com/tv and never go to the post office again. get a 4-week trial plus postage and a digital scale others see cracked concrete, instrundown courts.ere. i see a way to bring pride back to communities. that's why i made project backboard and a site with godaddy. how will you make your mark? 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>> no doubt in my mind. >> in 2003, detectives arrested kouros for attempted murder. he was neither a gangbanger or hired gun. he owned a pizza parlor. mark gayman. >> seemed like he was middle class, nice guy everybody in the community loved. >> yet garrett was identifying him as the shooter. >> yes. >> other than garrett's i.d., there was nothing to suggest they had ever met. never done a business deal before? >> no. >> connected to the gym? >> no. >> driving a car near garrett that night? >> none whatsoever. >> what their connection was, why mr. kouros would kill him, not clear. >> there was no direct connection whatsoever. >> and as detectives soon learned, proving attempted murder charge against miguel kouros would not be easy. multiple witnesses say they saw and spoke to him at his pizza parlor on the night of the shooting. these witnesses weren't beholden to him, they were customers. >> yes, they were, frequent customers of the establishment. and he had the receipts. pretty good alibis. >> at the preliminary hearing, evidence pointed both ways. witnesses put him away from the scene of the crime but why did he have garrett's picture hidden in his car? how and why would garrett finger kouros as the shooter? hoon chun was the deputy strict attorney brought in from major crimes unit. he knew he had more work to do. you got a guy stopped for drug charges, a map hidden in his car of someone who was nearly a murder victim and a photograph of that guy. >> right. >> and guy picks him out. >> right, so you think what's the question. >> aren't there people on death row for more than that? >> sometimes there is more that meets the eye, the case here. >> investigators discover another picture of garrett warren, him and the man he accused of shooting him. >> coming up. >> stranger than fiction, nobody would write a script like this. >> when "dateline" continues. no wonder you rub your eyes hundreds of times a day. but now, relief is just one drop away. introducing pataday® full prescription strength pataday works right in your eyes. right on the cells that make them itch. fast. just one drop, once a day means relief that lasts all day. so turn your day, into a pataday. now get pataday without a prescription. everywhere. and it's negatively impacting your enamel. eating and drinking healthy things that are acidic thinning and yellowing can happen as a result of that. pronamel is a proactive solution designed to help protect your enamel. ♪ ♪ ♪ think you need to buy expensive skincare products [♪] to see dramatic results? 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>> not at the time, at all. >> sounded like strong case but more prosecutor hoon chun investigated, weaker it seemed to become. >> done a lot of work, mostly proved your defendant's alibi. >> and really proved that he didn't do this. >> multiple witnesses put miguel quiroz 80 miles from garrett's home on the night of the shooting. then like a scene from columbo tlt, the latest twist that the prosecutors saw in a court hearing. >> noticing something, first of all, quiroz was left-handed. shooter was described as right-handed. >> what left-handed person would try to commit murder with gun in his right hand. >> out of a movie. a script writer might do something like that but in real life didn't make any sense. >> then prosecutor chun saw this photo taken at a barbecue. >> garrett warren facing miguel quiroz, kneeling down, children in front of them. can tell from the scar on garrett warren's face underneath the left ear this is post shooting. can tell from the ages of the children and lakers championship t-shirt that mr. quiroz is wearing this is shortly after the shooting. >> the two men were guests at the same party after the shooting but before garrett made his eyewitness i.d. of quiroz. >> you think this is where garrett knew miguel quiroz from, why he identified him as shooter because he remembered him from this party. >> right, classic transference. >> to the prosecutor and to garrett the photo explained the i.d. >> for some reason when i saw him in the photo lineup it clicked, that must be him, i recognize him. obviously it wasn't him. >> so garrett was wrong in picking quiroz as the man that shot him. that left prosecutors with two questions, who did shoot garrett and since he had the photo and address in his trunk, could quiroz still possibly be involved? hoon chun began to rethink the case. >> they let us talk to him, and detectives and i kept coming back to the hit note, where it's found. he doesn't know garrett warren, their interaction was very brief at the barbecue. >> detectives kept after quiroz, they know whoever ordered the hit really wanted garrett warren dead. one more twist, postmark on the note is from after the shooting, not so much a hit note as note explaining to someone how to go back and finish the job. >> it's a rehit, if you want to call it that. >> that started to unravel the mystery. >> that's what broke the case open, kwiquite frankly the lifee we had on that case. >> the one piece of evidence that finally cracked miguel quiroz. >> he admits he was one of the middle men. >> he wasn't the shooter, he was in on the plot and he was caught by his own carelessness. >> he explained that that hit note had been sent directly to him, that he had put it under the spare tire in the trunk of his car and literally he said he had forgotten about it. >> so the reason you ended up finding that hit note under the spare tire in trunk of mr. quiroz's car is he put it there for safekeeping and forgotten it? >> one of those stranger than fiction things. nobody would write a script like this, any self-respecting producer would have the look you're having, that's ridiculous. but people forget things. >> disorganized crime. >> yeah. >> luckily for processors, miguel quiroz had not sworn a blood oath not to rat on his friends. quite the opposite, he rolled over like lassie and cut a deal. agreed to wear a wire and collect evident on his coconspirators. as sthey say around here, the plot thickened. coming up, the world's worst hit man. >> i'm not a good shot. >> we'll finish it off. >> when "dateline" continues. olay regenerist microsculpting cream makes my skin feel so hydrated. i can face anything with my olay. and my latest beauty secret... for bright, smooth skin... olay regenerist cream cleanser. i wanted more from my copd medicine that's why i've got the power of 1, 2, 3 medicines with trelegy. the only fda-approved once-daily 3-in-1 copd treatment. ♪ trelegy ♪ the power of 1,2,3 ♪ trelegy ♪ 1,2,3 ♪ trelegy man: with trelegy and the power of 1, 2, 3, i'm breathing better. trelegy works three ways to open airways, keep them open and reduce inflammation, for 24 hours of better breathing. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. trelegy is not for asthma. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. think your copd medicine is doing enough? 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>> did she let you know that the judge, someone independent in her custody case had found the allegations she was making against garrett or false. did she tell you that? >> i never asked and she never told me. i think she knew how to hit the nerve that he was molesting her. >> manny said his sister's exact language was that she wanted garrett taken out. >> i'm almost positive she didn't use the word "murder" or "kill" but telling me want to take him out, that slang, means killed. >> manny haro, small-time criminal, pointing finger of guilt at his sister, actress and mother, married to hollywood stardom, never had a problem with the law. hard to believe except maybe for the intended victim of the murder plot who believed claudia was behind it from the getgo. >> i knew there was only one person who wanted this done to me. >> he felt that way even as the investigation pointed every other direction. until finally five years after the shooting, detectives arrested claudia haro. >> i did think to myself, thank god, finally i don't feel crazy anymore. >> but he was in for another shot. prosecutors did not feel the case was strong enough because manny haro had not agreed to testify against claudia and the d.a.'s office declined to file charges. i'm thinking you probably hated that. >> yes, but that's not the worst of it. i was proud to call garrett and say i arrested claudia haro for hiring a hit man to kill you. >> got to call him back and say -- >> you're not going to believe it, i've got to let her go. >> 48 hours after detectives arrested claudia, she was back on the street, completely free once again. >> but i guaranteed him i would not stop. >> what would it take to write a new ending to this story? with a new role for the beauty that investigators believed was their femme fatale? or would claudia haro escape prosecution by denying she was involved? >> lying isn't just saying the words, when words don't make sense, you're going to have a problem. >> lying is tougher than people think it is. >> a lot harder. coming up, claudia haro tells her story. >> it's your day in the limelight. >> do you know who shot garrett warren? >> no. >> do you know why he was shot? >> no, i don't know. >> when "dateline" continues. on, because your derriere deserves expert care. preparation h. get comfortable with it. but when allergies attack,f any the excitement fades. allegra helps you say yes with the fastest non-drowsy allergy relief and turning a half hearted yes, into an all in yes. allegra. live your life, not your allergies. who've got their eczema under control.rs, with less eczema, you can show more skin. so roll up those sleeves. and help heal your skin from within with dupixent. dupixent is the first treatment of its kind that continuously treats moderate-to-severe eczema, or atopic dermatitis, even between flare ups. dupixent is a biologic, and not a cream or steroid. many people taking dupixent saw clear or almost clear skin, and, had significantly less itch. that's a difference you can feel. don't use if you're allergic to dupixent. serious allergic reactions can occur, including anaphylaxis, which is severe. tell your doctor about new or worsening eye problems, such as eye pain or vision changes, or a parasitic infection. if you take asthma medicines, don't change or stop them without talking to your doctor. so help heal your skin from within. and talk to your eczema specialist about dupixent. people don't want to so i share it. song by song. the dark and the light. the struggle and the joy with my mental health. what's your mission? use godaddy to help make it happen. close up, claudia haro, she once played a showgirl in a gangster movie, once was moved to a legendary movie gangster, now she was accused of hiring a hit man in real life. sheriffs detectives arrested her but prosecutor hoon chun did not file charges and claudia was turned loose. chun felt he needed stronger evidence. >> i did not think there was a fileable case at that point. >> but claudia's brother manny changed that, took a plea deal from prosecutors and finally agreed to testify against his sister. >> at some point did someone approach you about doing something, killing somebody? >> my sister claudia approached me. >> that made the difference. detectives rearrested claudia haro, this time the prosecutor charged her with two counts of attempted murder and one of conspiracy to commit murder. claudia denied everything. >> do you know who shot garrett warren? >> i don't know. >> do you know why he was shot? >> no, i don't know. >> but while there was evidence enough to charge claudia, was there enough to convict her? you got mr. quiroz's admission and mr. haro and hernandez on tape but you don't have anything proving that claudia haro set this in motion. >> we have the motive, contentious divorce proceedings, we have the timing of this. what happens is judge finds child abuse allegations to be false april 12th i believe of 2000, hit occurs about a month after that. >> all of that is circumstantial. >> i agree. >> son there was more. prosecutors said the handwriting on the hit note matched claudia haro's. and when compared samples of claudia's letters to garrett with hit note, noticed the misspelling of this word, the location of garrett warren's home. in the hit note and in claudia's letters, it's misspelled the exact same way. claudia insisted she had never given any notes or maps to miguel quiroz. >> no, i think i would know. >> if we had someone's address written in your handwriting? >> i'm not, not from me, i don't know. >> claimed to know very little about what her brother might be up to. >> why would your brother who has never even met garrett want him killed? >> i don't know. that's not -- >> why would he tell us that you're the one that asked him to be killed and helped arrange it? >> i don't know. >> did you ever give your brother a large amount of money? >> no. >> any amount whatsoever? >> never had a large amount of money. >> as we said, every hollywood story eventually comes back to money. if claudia haro paid someone $10,000 to ice garrett warren, where did she get the cash? detectives took a good look at her other ex-husband, tough guy actor joe pesci. remember that shot of miguel quiroz and garrett warren along with their kids? that was taken at hollywood home of joe pesci. >> we interviewed joe pesci, wanted to ask if he gave her large amount of money, he denied it. no evidence that he had any involvement. >> claudia haro wanted to do interview with us, not able to speak with her in jail. we spoke with her attorney thomas mesereau, best known for successfully defending michael jackson. >> picture drawn is vengeful woman stop at nothing to keep her daughter from her ex-husband. >> whoever gave you that information doesn't know claudia haro. >> says if guilty of anything, it's h having a career criminals as a brother. >> i believe he was angry about being molested as child, desperate to keep his street credibility, and when he got caught, blamed his sister to keep it off himself. >> and hit notes allegedly written by claudia? >> i'm convinced these are forgeries. never wrote any hit note to anyone, nobody talked to her about whacking someone, shooting someone. >> thomas mesereau was ready with those arguments and more. remember the movie "my cousin vinny," joe pesci played a lawyer that got his client acquitted of murder charges? this movie didn't end that way. on the eve of trial claudia haro decided not to fight the charges. she pleaded no contest to two counts of attempted murder. she received a sentence of 12 years and 4 months. claudia's friend julie. >> the deal she was offered, be out in eight years and gets to see her daughter grow up. >> and that's why she took it. >> and at her sentencing, joe pesci showed up to support his ex-wife. >> as for the others, quiroz and haro took plea deals, quiroz got suspended sentence for cooperation, haro to life in prison with possibility of parole, released in 2017. hired gunman hernandez was tried and convicted for murder and conspiracy, 77 years to life. claudia haro served just more than nine years before being granted parole in august 2019. if claudia did mastermind this attempted murder, she ended up getting a very good deal. >> claudia's brother manny, who set it up and actual shooter, pretty much maxed out on their sentences. >> amount of time you spend behind bars is nothing to what i believe will be eternity afterwards. we all pay, no matter what. >> you seem remarkably free of anger. >> i am. everybody should be in this world. she made mistakes, i've made mistakes, no one's perfect. >> surprised? you shouldn't be. trifecta of love, money and murder isn't new to hollywood, neither are stories about beautiful women who turn out to be as tough as a $5 steak and the men who somehow find it in themselves to forgive them. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline," i'm craig melvin, thank you for watching. i'm craig melvin. >> and i'm natalie morales. >> and this is "dateline." >> horrible, knowing the person you love is dead and you're being looked at for it. >> imagine you're shaken in the dead of night. >> my ears were ringing, i thought i was dreaming. >> in bed next to you, your husband murdered. >> hard to get that one out of your head, isn't it? >> yeah. >> and here's the twist, you're the suspect. >> worst feeling to hear you're being blamed for your husb

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suspects. including his ex-wife, an extres who once married joe pesh is ship. but she had a strong alibi. and that's only the start of the twist in this hollywood mystery. >> this is one of the stranger than fiction kindover things. certainly, nobody would write a script like that. >> the most stunning twist of all was what didn't happen. >> my mom said don't you [ bleep ] die. that hit me hard. my mom never swore. >> the plot thickens. if. >> hello and welcome to "dateline extra." he was a stunt devil for big movie stars used to handling danger onset, but not at home where he.netted on his daughter. one night he answered the door and faced a halo of bullets he was known for his focus on the details what detail would help investigators catch the gunman. here's josh manning wits. >> action. it ranks second only to money as the single most important word in hollywood. and here in l.a. where life and art are often the same thing there's a real life drama that rivals any mute vae with a plot that includes all the elements of classic film. a mystery facing an assassin, a hollywood star and a stuntman who takes the fall. as for the money, we'll get to that. let's start with the bikest name, joe peshy. this would co-star his ex-wife. a model and actress who appeared along with joe in "casino." the supporting cast includes claudia's brother, not an actor but an actual tough guy who did time in prison. and who harbors a terrible secret in his past and hclaudias second husband, a hollywood stuntman and marshall arts expert, a man very familiar with danger. fade in, early evening in the quiet town of west lake village, california uts, outside of l.a. garrett answered and then comes our first plot twist. three shots into his body. one more into his right eye. the daredevil's luck had run out. >> i called and his mother answered the phone. screaming, crying, just distraught. garrett's been shot. >> wally was a fellow stuntman and garrett's good friend. >> garrett was one of those men that you could count on you hear in life that you're very lucky if you have five friends or count a friend or one hand, garrett was that friend to me. >> wally had been in the business for more than 30 years. >> garrett warren was probably the finest fight man you could ask for. i had hired him on several shows and got to know him, watched his expertise, fen nominal athlete stuntman. >> you've probably seen garrett's work but didn't know. his stunt work was featured charlie's angels. but he said garrett's personality was not what you would expect. >> he was a focused individual. people think of dare devils as stunt people, crazy people. that's the last person i want on my job. i want the best. >> wally says the focus shifted the minute garrett warren meant claudia har ra. >> beautiful woman. we wanted garrett to be happy. he had found somebody that he sounded like he genuinely loved and wanted to start a life with. >> there was something special about her. people who got to know her, a beautiful soul. men were attracted to that as much as to her beauty. >> claudia's good friend julie remembers when claudia and garrett first got together. >> one day she says, i met this guy. >> she was very excited. i was a big fan of garrett's, he was sweet and funny and she seemed so happy with him. i should say joe and i both were very supportive. >> by joe, she is referring to claudia's ex-husband, a character actor who became a star by playing mafia tough guy joe pesci. >> it sounds it didn't end badly? >> not at all. they are like family, they are very close. >> claudia stay closed to joe pesci even after she started to date garrett who came from a different part of the movie business. garrett loved action and adventure. but when he met claudia, he was ready to settle down. >> we felt this would be the gal that garrett would end up with, no more dating or running around. i'm going to end up with claudia. >> garrett and claudia were married less than a year after they met. >> in the beginning, i think it was a very good relationship. >> oh, my gosh. >> they soon had a beautiful daughter, kyla. >> look at that hairdo. >> the new couple enjoyed being parents. >> i love you guys. >> love you too. >> but happy scenes like this one did not last. claudia and garrett couldn't make it work. >> with a series of events, it wasn't the right marriage. >> once the relationship went south, it went fast. less than two years after their wedding claudia and garrett split up for good. >> divorce is never easy but in the long run, it was two parents trying too figure out a way to live and both see their children. >> garrett went back to his old life as a stuntman, back to the set in the world of make believe. so then how did his life go from playing dead to bleeding out at his home shot at close range? >> someone wanted him hurt or dead at that time. >> but who? detective mark gamen of the l.a. county sheriff's department said investigators looked at every angle. remembering how the gunman at first asked garrett about his brand-new volvo. they wondered if this could be road rage, someone garrett tangled with on the l.a. freeways. >> mr. warren is a stuntman. >> yes. >> i'm guessing he doesn't always drive the speed limit or use his blinker when it's time to change lanes. >> that could be possible. >> or it could be personal. >> could have been an ex-business partner or somebody he was dating that was jealous, maybe an exhusband or exboyfriend. there was an array of possibles on who could have done this. >> possibilities that led from a bloody crime scene to the bright lights of the movie business. all the way to the parts of l.a. that the tours never see. >> getting ready to say good-bye to a friend. >> i'm going to lose my friend. he's not going to make it. >> get ready to be amazed as the plot thickens. so chantix can help you quit slow turkey.rkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting so when the day arrives, you'll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. stop chantix and get help right away if you have changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, depressed mood, suicidal thoughts or actions, seizures, new or worse heart or blood vessel problems, sleepwalking, or life-threatening allergic and skin reactions. decrease alcohol use. use caution driving or operating machinery. tell your doctor if you've had mental health problems. the most common side effect is nausea. talk to your doctor about chantix. hyour shoe's untied.. ♪ ensure he's well taken care of, even as you build your own plans for retirement. see how lincoln can help. to the wait did frowe just win-ners. prouders everyone uses their phone differently. that's why xfinity mobile let's you design your own data. now you can share it between lines. mix with unlimited, and switch it up at anytime so you only pay for what you need. it's a different kind of wireless network designed to save you money. save up to $400 a year on your wireless bill. plus get $250 back when you buy a new samsung note. click, call or visit a store today. welcome back garrett made his living pulling off death defying acts. but it looked like his luck might have run out when a gunman showed up at garrett's house, pumped four bullets into him and left him for dead. as investigators began their work, his loved ones were preparing to say good-bye. then they got a surprise that seemed straight out of a showbiz script. >> fade in, north ridge hospital, daytime. a stuntman shot with reel live bullets. >> i run into garrett's mom and realized i'm going to lose my friend. he's not going to make it. >> garrett was in critical condition. >> all these things run through your head, the time you spent two, the things that maybe you should have said that you didn't. it was rough. >> shot three times in the body and once through the eye, all at close range. hard to imagine anyone surviving it. ready for the second twist? it's one neither garrett's family or the gunman saw come. this is garrett warren today. >> thank god i'm still here. i was very fortunate. very lucky, very blessed. to the surprise of doctors treating him, garrett warren pulled through and lived to tell the story of the night he was almost murdered. a flashback as vivid now as it was then. here's bullet one. >> to be honest with you, when a bullet hits you, you don't know it hits you. as i flip to the side and it hit me center mass, it went right in front of my chest and passed by my heart and stuck in my rib cage right here and still there. >> then bullet two. >> so i look down and look back up and here came another one. i slipped my head to the side and it hit me in the neck and went straight up my back. >> bullet three. >> then i realized it was for real. i went to close the door and he shot center mass. he hit me here in the hip and straight out my back and past my hip. that one hurt. that hitmy bone. >> if that sounds gruesome, what's next. >> he put the gun to my head and when it was placeded to my head, when i saw him squeeze the trigger i flinched and as i did this it hit me in the eye and came out my ear and got stuck in the wall behind my head. >> those are pretty good reflexes. >> if it was the matrix it wasn't good, it's like keanu going back and the bullet hitting him. as much as i moved, i still got hit. >> somehow the bullet that went through garrett's head missed his brain. >> you know when they tell you your life passes through your eyes, it doesn't pass through your eyes. you run through it and think about everything that happened in your life and wonder, did i do anything wrong, did i not make up for it? am i ready to die? >> at the time of the shooting, garrett's mother was at his home helping with baby kyla. she ran to see what was happening and the gunman took two shots at her and missed and then out of bullets he fled. >> i said, i love you mom, see you on the other side. my mom said, don't you [ bleep ] die. i was shocked. that hit me harder than the bullets. my mom never swore and she says don't you [ bleep ] die. you've been a fighter all your life, fight one more time. i looked at her and said, you got it, i'm not going to go. i'll stay. >> as garrett ran through his life, he looked back on his failed marriage to claudia haro. >> it was true love. it was the things that poetry was written about, the thing movies were made of. >> hi, daddy, what's up? >> that brief marriage produced their daughter, kyla. even though the marriage didn't last, the bond both parents felt with kyla suredy did. >> my daughter being born was amazing, most amazing parts of my life and greatest things that i can leave for my legacy, i guess. >> when the marriage broke up, there was a nasty fight over who would get custody of kyla. in the midst of it, claudia made perhaps the worst accusation you could make. she claimed garrett had sexually molested their daughter. after a thorough investigation, a family court judge ruled that there was no evidence of abuse. but it was shortly after that that the gunman showed up at garrett's home. so naturally detectives brought in claudia for questioning. >> it was just another road we went down. during the investigation you know, it's like, could it be an ex? >> claudia was cooperative and didn't appear to be any ties to the shooting and had a strong alibi for that evening. she even expressed concern for garrett. investigators were satisfied she wasn't involved. so they kept talking to garrett, who had gotten a glimpse of the man who shot him. >> it was very difficult to decipher what his ethnicity was because i was looking through a peephole. >> not somebody you knew. >> never knew him before. >> the sheriff's department tried to piece together some theories. . i'm guessing detectives asked garrett if he was carrying on with someone else's wife or girlfriend? >> yes, everything was being looked at in his life and lifestyle and his business. >> an exciting high energy lifestyle, from the gym he owned to the film circle he ran in. garrett warren had no shortage of adventures. but investigators received a tip suggesting that garrett also had enemies. >> sheriff's received an anonymous letter advising there was people involved at the gym that garrett was having some kind of relationship with, people that might be of interest to detectives that they might want to question these people. >> detectives checked out every name that came up and followed up on every lead but hit a dead end at every turn. >> depressing? >> very depressing. sometimes you need that one break. you need a phone call that somebody wants to really give up some information and give us another road to go down and adventure to try. >> it took almost two years before that break arrived. that's when police in another county, searching a car for drugs, instead found a note and photo that would make clear just what kind of danger garrett warren was facing. coming up -- was garrett warren's would be killer about to try for take two. >> i'm scared he's going to come back and finish me. >> i have a bullet proof vest on. i have invested money into security around the house. i'm scared to death someone is going to finish me. >> when "the plot thickens" continues. s. i am royalty of racing, raise your steins to the king of speed. 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>> no doubt in my mind. >> in 2003 they arrestedmy get keer rose for attempted murder, neither a gang banger or hired gun. instead he owned a pizza parlor. sheriff's detective mark gamen. >> it seemed he was your middle class nice guy that everybody in the community loved. >> and yet garrett was identifying him as the shooter? >> yes. >> other than garrett's i.d., there was nothing to suggest they had ever met. >> they never done any business deal before? >> no. >> keer rose connected in any way to the gym? >> no. >> any chance he was driving a car near garrett that night? >> no, none whatsoever. >> what their connection was or why he would kill him, not clear? >> there was no direct connection whatsoever. >> and as detectives soon learned, proving an attempted murder charge against miguel kiros wouldn't be easy. multiple witnesses said they saw and spoke to him at the pizza parlor on the night of the shooting. >> these witnesses weren't really beholden to mr. kioros in any way. >> yes, they were frequent customers of that establishment, plus he had receipts. it was a pretty good alibis. >> so at kioro's preliminary hearing, evidence pointed both ways. witnesses put him 80 miles away from the scene of the crime on the night it happened. but then why did kiros had garrett's picture hidden in the car. how and why would garrett finger kiros as the shooter. the deputy was brought in from the major crimes unit and he knew he had more work to do. >> you got a guy stopped for drug charges. >> right. >> a map sitting in his car of somebody who was nearly a murder victim. >> sure. >> and a photograph of that guy. >> right. >> and guy picks him out. >> you think what's the question, right? 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>> sure, so far and eventually it really proved the alibi he didn't do this. >> remember, multitim witnesses put him 80 miles away from garrett's home on night of the shooting of the then like a scene from column bow came this case, something the prosecutors saw during a court hearing. >> i'm noticing something, miguel quiroz is left handed and the shooter was described as right handed. and that's say little odd. >> odd because what left handed person would try to commit murder with the gun in his right hand. >> like out of a movie. >> out of a movie, right. a script writer may do this but it didn't make sense. >> prosecutor chun saw this photo taken at the party, a barbecue. >> in this photo, you have garrett warren and he is facing miguel quiroz and kneeling down. their children are in front of them. we can tell from the scar on garrett warren's face underneath the left ear that this is post shooting. we can tell from the ages of those children as well as the lakers championship t-shirt, this is very shortly after the shooting. >> the two men were both guests at the same party after the shooting. but before garrett made his eyewitness i.d of quiroz. >> you think this is where he knew miguel from? >> right. >> that's why he identified him as the shooter because he remembered him from this party? >> classic transference, right. >> to the prosecutor and to garrett, the photo explained the i.d. >> for some reason when i saw him in the photo lineup, it clicked, that must be him, i recognize him and obviously it wasn't him. >> and garrett was wrong in picking quiroz as the man who shot him and that left prosecutors with two questions. who did shoot garrett and since he had garrett's photo and address in his trunk, could quiroz still somehow be involved? prosecutor chun began to rethink the case. >> the defense attorneys agreed that we could talk to mr. quiroz and they let us talk to them and the detectives and i keep coming back to the hit note, to where it's found. he doesn't know garrett warren. their interaction was brief at that barbecue. >> detectives kept after quiroz, they knew who ordered the hit wanted garrett dead because here's one more twist, the postmark on the note is in after the shooting, meaning it's not so much a hit note as a note explaining to someone how to go back and finish the job. >> it's a rehit if you want to call it that. >> that finish the job note started to unravel the mystery. that was really kind of what broke the case open. that was quite frankly the lifeline we had on this case. >> the one unavoidable piece of evidence that finally cracked miguel quiroz. >> finally he admits he was one of the middle men. >> miguel quiroz admits while he wasn't the shooter, he was in on the plot and he was caught by his own carelessness. >> he explained the hit note had been sent directly to him, that he had put it under the spare tire in the trunk of his car and literally he said, he had forgotten about it. >> the reason you end up finding that hit note under the spare tire in the trunk of mr. quiroz's car was that he put it there for safekeeping and then forgotten it? 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>> right. >> and he did it at the behest of his friend manny haro? >> yes. >> they worked together in the pizza business and in the drug business. and if the last name haro sounds familiar, it should. manny's sister, claudia is garrett warren's ex-wife. prosecutor chun says that explains mr. haro's involvement. >> he was doing this for his sister, claudia. >> who was married to gar garrett and going through a content shouse divorce, about custody of the daughter. and she had a lot of anti-pathy expressed toward warren. >> generally when one spouse says to the other, you're going to bleed, it's a sign there are bad times to come. >> you're right. >> prosecutors believed they were beginning to understand the outlines of the plot to kill garrett warren. infuriated by a bitter custody battle they believed claudia haro set it in motion but proving that wouldn't be ease yes. they looked at how claudy may have persuaded her brother to get involved in a murder. detectives arrested jorge hernandez and manny haro and charged them with attempted murder and conspiracy. when they questioned manny, they learned about a secret of his, that might explain why manny would want garrett warren dead. >> really talk about being molested in i was 22 probably. >> he told investigators he had been molested as a child. and remember, manny's sister, claudia, during her divorce from garrett warren, claimed that garrett had molested their daughter. those allegations were thoroughly investigated. a judge said they were unfounded. but now investigators had to consider another plot twist because of something else manny said that not only had he been molested but that the only other person in the world who knew about that secret was his sister, claudia. >> being that i've been through certain things in my childhood as far as like molestation, and my sister was the only one i confided in and told her about my things that happened to me when i was younger. >> had claudia manipulated manny by telling him only part of the story. >> did she ever let you know that the judge, someone independent in her child custody case had found that the allegations that she was making against garrett were false? did she ever tell you that. >> i never asked and she never told me. i think she knew how to hit the nerve that he was molesting her. so i think she knew it was hitting a nerve that way because i never talked about it. >> manny said his sister's exact language was that she wanted garrett taken out. >> i don't -- i'm almost positive the word murder, if anybody says take him out, you know what the slang means, take him out means kill. >> manny haro, a small time criminal, was pointing the finger of guilt straight as az sister, a actress married to stardom and never had a problem with the law. it was hard to believe except for the intended murder of the murder plot who believed claudia was behind it from the get-go. >> there's only one person that wanted this done to me. >> he felt that way even as the investigation pointed in every other direction until finally, five years after the shooting, the detectives arrested claudia haro. >> i did think to myself, you know, thank god, finally i don't feel crazy anymore. >> he was in for another shock. prosecutors did not feel the case was strong enough because manny haro had no agreed to testify against claudia. and the da's office declined to file charges. >> i'm thinking you probably hated that? >> yes, but that's not the worst of it i was proud to call and said i arrested claudia haro for hiring a hit man to kill you. then you have to call him back -- >> you're not going to believe it. i have too let her go. >> 48 hours after detectives arrested claudia, she was back on the street completely free once again. >> i guaranteed him that i would not stop. >> what would it take to write a new ending to this story? with a new role for the beauty that investigators believed was their femme fatale or would claudia haro escape prosecution by denying she had been involved. >> bottom line principle is that, lying isn't about mouthing the words, the words have to make sense. when they don't make sense, you're going to have a problem. >> lying is tougher than people think it is. >> it's a lot tougher. >> claudia haro tells her story when "the plot thickens" continues. you don't let a cold ruin your day. you take dayquil severe liquicaps and crush it. dayquil severe. the daytime, coughing, aching, stuffy-head, fever, sore throat, power through your day, medicine. why accept it frompt an incompyour allergy pills?e else. flonase sensimist. nothing stronger. nothing gentler. nothing lasts longer. flonase sensimist. 24 hour non-drowsy allergy relief because there's always another team looking to punch one in. a spectacular touchdown grab with nfl redzone from nfl network on xfinity, you get every touchdown from every game on sunday afternoons, all season long. watch every breakout star, every heart-pounding running attack, and every big time defensive stop. sundays were made for football on xfinity. that's simple, easy, awesome. add the sports entertainment package for nfl redzone. click, call, or visit a store today to learn more. welcome back. manny haro told investigators his sister claudia manipulating him into planning the attempted hit on her ex-husband garrett warren then he refused to testify against her. but this hollywood tale had more twists in store, and remember that hit note hidden in the car trunk? it was about to take one more turn in the spotlight. here with the conclusion of "the plot thickens" is jo." >> now she was accused of hiring a hit-man in real life. sheriff's detectives arrested her, but prosecutor chun did not file charges, and claudia was turned loose. chun felt he needed stronger evidence. >> i did not think there was a fileable case at that point. >> but claudia's brother manny changed that. he took a plea deal from prosecutors and finally agreed to testify against his sister. >> at some point, does somebody approach you about doing something, killing somebody? >> yes. >> okay. >> my sister claudia approached me. claudia haro approached me. >> that made the difference. detectives rearrested claudia haro. this time the prosecutor charged her with two counts of attempted murder and one of conspiracy to commit murder. claudia denied everything. >> do you know who shot garrett warren? >> i don't know. >> do you know why he was shot? >> no, i don't know. >> but while there was evidence enough to charge claudia, was there enough to convict her? >> you got mr. quiroz's admission. >> right. >> and you got mr. haro and mr. hernlds on tape. >> right. >> but you don't have anything proving that claudia set this in motion. >> we have the contentious divorce proceedings. we have the timing of this. what happens is the judge finds the child abuse allegations to be false on april 12th, i believe, of 2000. the hit occurs about a month and a week after that, may 20th of 2000. >> all of that is circumstantial. >> i agree. i agree. >> but there was more. prosecutors said the handwriting on the hit note matched claudia haro's. and when prosecutors compared notes, they noticed the misspelling of this word, agora, is in agoura hills, the location of garrett's home. and in claudia's letters the word is misspelled the exact same way. a-u-g-o-r-a. claudia inside she had never given any notes or maps to miguel quiroz. >> did you ever give him any paperwork? >> not that i can think of, no. >> so if we had, say, someone's address written in your ha handwriting. >> i don't know. >> she claimed to know very little about what her brother manny haro had been up to. >> why would your brother, who never even met garrett, want him killed? >> i don't know. that's not -- >> why would he tell us that you're the one that asked him to be killed and helped arrange it? >> i don't know. >> did you ever give your brother a large amount of money? >> no. >> any amount whatsoever? >> i don't think i ever had a large amount of money. >> as we said, every hollywood story eventually comes back to money. if claudia haro paid somebody 10 grand to ice garrett warren, where did she get the cash? detectives took a good look at her other ex-husband. tough guy actor joe pesci. remember that party snapshot of garrett and middleman miguel quiroz along with their kids? that was taken at the hollywood hills home of joe pesci. >> we actually interviewed joe pesci and we just wanted to ask if he gave her a large sum of money at that time. he denied he ever gave her a large amount of money. there was no evidence to indicate he had any involvement. >> claudia haro said she wanted to do an interview with us, but we were not able to speak to her in jail. we spoke with her defense attorney tom mesereau, best known for successfully defending michael jackson. >> the picture drawn of her is this sort of vengeful woman that would stop at nothing to keep her daughter away from her ex-husband. >> whoever gave you that information doesn't know claudio haro. >> mesereau says if claudia's guilty of anything, it's having a career criminal for a brother. >> i believe manny haro was angry about being abused and molested as a child. he was desperate to maintain his street credibility as a drug dealer. when he got caught, he tried to blame it on his sister to try to gain freedom for himself. >> not only that, he said, but those hit notes allegedly written by claudia -- >> i am convinced these are forgeries. claudia never wrote any hit note to anybody. nobody ever talked to her about whacking someone or murdering someone or shooting someone. >> mesereau was ready with those arguments and more, and who knows what a jury might have done. remember the movie "my cousin vinny" where joe pesci played a lawyer who got his client acquitted of murder charges? well, this movie didn't end that way. on the eve of trial, claudia haro decided not to fight the charges. she pleaded no contest to two counts of attempted murder. she received a sentence of 12 years and four months. claudia's friend julie -- >> the deal she was offered, she'll be out in eight years and she gets to see her daughter grow up. >> and that's why she took it. >> and at her sentencing, joe pesci showed up to support his ex-wife. as for the others, miguel quiroz and manny haro took plea deals. quiroz got a three-year suspended sentence in conjunction with his cooperation. haro received a life sentence with the possibility of parole. he was released in 2017. jorge hernandez was charged and convicted on attempted murder and conspiracy. he's serving a sentence of 77 years to life. in total, claudia haro served just nine years before being granted parole in august of 2019. in film noir it's not uncommon to have fithe femme fatale get away with murder. >> both pretty much got maxed out on their sentences. >> the amount of time you spend behind bars is nothing to, you know, what i believe will be eternity afterwards, you know? and i believe that, you know, we all pay, one day, no matter what. >> you seem remarkably free of anger. >> i am. and everyone should be in this world. you know, she made a mistake. i've made mistakes. no one's perfect. >> surprised? you shouldn't be. that trifecta of love, money and murder isn't new to hollywood. neither are stories about beautiful women who turn out to be as tough as a $5 steak. and the men who somehow find it in themselves to forgive them. that's all for this edition of "dateline extra." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. >> it was like hearing a ghost, i'm here, asking for help. >> it was like hearing a ghost, a voice from beyond the grave. >> there's no way i can go back. >> can she help solve her own murder? >> so surreal. this is something that happens to other people, not to you. >> she was a dancer, who married a dashing photographer. they seemed a perfect family until the

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