political folks. people at the nra. it s very likely she would be damaging to a lot of people who hadn t yet been publicly identified in this investigation. mueller will certainly be interested. this is a district of columbia s case but mueller s prosecutors would be interested in anything she has to offer. it will be interesting. joyce van, thank you very much. president trump averages more than eight lies per day. in fact, things have got son bad that the washington post has unveiled a new lie designation. the bottomless pinocchio. here to exclusively reveal their choice, next.
counsel sentencing memo today. the former u.s. attorney and current alabama law professor joyce vans joins me and midwin charles is back with us. joyce, let me begin with you. we ve got some key pieces of information. what could they possibly be? what should we be looking out for? what s at stake here is whether or not paul manafort gets any credit for cooperating with the government at sentencing. he had entered into this deal with prosecutors where he would cooperate with them on other investigations they were working and receive a reduced sentence. but manafort s lies take that deal off the table. he s looking at a much longer sentence than he would have served had he completed his cooperation. the job for his attorneys is to try to convince the judge he didn t lie to prosecutors. that prosecutors somehow have acted with less than good faith in making this decision. it will be the specifics here that will count.
manafort s portion of the joint submission that was sent to the judge along with prosecutors last week really didn t make a very good case. it was almost as though they seemed to be bent on conceding that he hadn t been fully truthful. it will be very difficult for him to salvage this situation. joyce, is paul manafort a lot to reveal in these documents, how he has helped federal prosecutors? so he can do that. prosecutors by the same token will be very alert to protecting any information that would either impact ongoing investigations or perhaps declassified. if we see portions come out that are redacted, or if there s a separate filing that s not publicly available that will be an indication to us that manafort is quibbling with prosecutors over details. what is the next step for manafort? i think it s to start working on a custom jump suit. he will be going to jail for
outrage and not become numb. it is tempting some days to ignore it and say, there he goes again, and then we have to remind ourselves that he is the president of the united states of america. joyce, thanks for being with us. joyce vance is an msnbc contributor. macron on the latest protests and riots. he s now promising more money, more minimum wage for the people of france to try to calm what he calls deep, unjustified anger. we ll be back after the break. you re watching msnbc. let s build something. let s do the thing that you do. let s do the thing that changes the shape of everything. that pushes us forward and keeps us going. let s do the work.
president of the united states of america is publicly announcing people are committing crimes, they should be in jail. private citizens. that s not okay, and if we become numb to it, we risk surrendering the norm. joyce, not only is it not okay, it is a badge often worn by dictators and despots in history, where they have targeted individuals, not institutions, but individuals for public scorn. the damage president trump is doing to democratic institutions in this country, i think, is incalc labl and that will be his lasting legacy. the question that we face is whether we can sort of summon our outrage and maintain a level of engagement and stay aware of the facts and also outraged by the president s conduct, by his calls to imprison his political opponents, by his just commonplace statements that he should be above the law. it s so important, as director comey says, to hang onto that