remains, necessary for white women to decry the violence that is done in our name. it is on us to dismantle racism with just as much commitment as we dismantle sexism for one cannot happen without the other. it was interesting what happened in that church we said you rape our women, and kahlil stood up and said nope you will not do this violence in my name. thank you to my panel. up next a mother imprisoned struggling to protect her child and facing deportation. ♪ don't let'em pick guitars and drive them old trucks ♪ boys? ♪ mamas, don't let your babies...♪ stop less. go more. the passat tdi clean diesel with up to 814 hwy miles per tank. hurry in and you can get 0% apr plus a one-thousand dollar volkswagen credit bonus on 2015 passat tdi clean diesel models.
if we think we can all get free through individual or uncoordinated small group resistance, we are kidding ourselves. the work to provoke that change continues. joining me now, paul friar, professor, and christine, professor at new york university. kahlil, and beth fuey senior editor of msnbc.com. first i want to go to columbia south carolina with the north carolina-based activist group behind rhettthe removal of the confederate flag yesterday. can you tell me about the planning or organizing or choices that went into this decision? >> well good morning. so behind the plan it just started as a couple activists going into a room serendipitously and having a conversation about what's going on today in our country. it was decided, hey, this is not
move on to go back to business as usual. that's what we so often do. to avoid uncomfortable truths about the prejudice that still infects our society. to settle for symbolic gestures without following up with the hard work of more lasting change. that's how we lose our way again. >> i just want to point out as the president is talking there about losing our way again with the symbolic piece, arsonists have struck black churches in the past seven days. we are very focused, as we should be, on this massacre but throughout the south black churches once again are being burned or at least attempts to burn them. i mean this feels, you know i guess ka guess, kahlil, if you know history, this feels scary at this moment. >> it does. but before we move to the madness that is being unleashed
i think that's one of the really critical things. i think the other thing she really points to is that people have been talking about how quickly this all happened. it didn't happen quickly. this has been the work of activists -- in some ways brie sort of symbolizes the years of people who tried to climb that pole and take it down. >> it feels fast but it's in fact, not. it's been decades. kahlil i wanted to come to you on this as well because it was so important to me that there is a movement that allows this moment to happen. it's easy in the land of social media to think, there is the massacre, there is the president saying words, there is one woman on a flagpole taking it down. how do we make sure what we're doing here is recognizing there is a movement happening? >> we continue to give voice to the people who are actually doing work on the ground. from every community to missouri to oakland to pockets of alabama and south carolina all wait to the movement in north carolina people are working. they're strat jazzegizing, their
his presidency was historic from the very beginning. and this week added to his legacy in substantive and meaningful ways. but there is no one history, no one legacy no one story of any president, maybe especially for president obama. joining me now, paul frimer christina beltran, kahlil mohammad who is director of the schaumberg center and beth. this is a little bit of pure politics in the sense of heralding a president as having this great week but man, still at some cost. >> yeah i think this week we saw the president that his most ard ardent supporters wanted to see from his support around the confederate flag to his trade
stripped of their papers would receive the papers to become citizens. just this week 55,000. but it remains to be seen if that's going to be implemented. but we know the international pressure is helping to shed light on this issue. >> i think part -- kahlil that's important to me is to try to think about how much of this is specific to these nations and how much of it is about an anti-blackness that may be invisible to us as americans looking on to hispaniola as an entire island. how much of this is about the dominican republic and haiti and how much of it is about race. and maybe that's the wrong way to think about it. >> i think some would reject the framework slightly. haiti, no question is arguably the blackest independent nation in the western hemisphere in terms of its historical
ago -- >> he's yelling at her but he's really saying -- that's what we wanted to do: joe, shut up! >> in the way that he delivered the pinckney eulogy was really jeremiah wright arriving into the fullness of his grandeur. >> we wanted him to say it about -- >> we're not going to let him get away with diminishing that what he channelled in that moment was what he learned in trinity church. >> because as much as he talked about the black church as a space where children learn these things, he did not as a child. first lady obama, yes, that's her story. but where he learned that where he figured it out, you're right, is under the tutelage of jeremiah wright. kahlil, you cause so much trouble! i want to say thank you for the panel sticking around because we're going to ask this question: what's the right of white people when fighting for justice in america?