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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 10:46:00

initial interview i was out of there at 7:30? well, his fingerprints were on that box. and you had a receipt saying it was delivered at 8:48. yes. so he has now put himself right there at the scene and right there in the last crucial hours of her life. it s a poor set of facts? for him. and then tim s timeline, his alibi took another hit. he first said he was home when he called his friend george after 9:30. detective nelvin found evidence proving otherwise. once we get the phone records back and the cell tower site locations back, we are putting him at her house. so the tower is catching him in a lie? absolutely. his 911 phone call in the morning, it hits off the same tower he was hitting off when he called george at 9:36 the night before, which is directly north of karen pannell s house. they could only think of one reason for him to lie about

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 10:32:00

cell, carcinoma, a common form of skin cancer. now back to dateline! now back to dateline welcome back to dateline. i m craig melvin. who killed karen pannell? florida investigators were taking a close look at her ex-boyfriend, roc, whose name was found scrawled in blood at the crime scene. roc admitted to having a stormy relationship with karen but insisted he didn t kill her. was there more to the bloody clue than met the eye? forensic specialist anna cox was trying to unlock what her naked eyes could not see. when she did, her discovery would send the investigation in a completely different direction. here again is dennis murphy with written in blood. the handwriting was on the wall and forensic specialist anna cox was intent on breaking down the key piece of evidence implicating karen s boyfriend, the three letters in blood, roc. you would spend hours looking at these letters? i did. you actually cut the sheet rock out of your place and took

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 10:16:00

be painted as a bad guy right away because of his sorted past. so he promised to cooperate in every way possible, and the cops took him up on it. i allowed them to photograph me. removed my clothing. i allowed them to go to my home. take anything they wanted. there was nothing about his clothing, his car, his person that led to us believe that he was involved in any other way than he said he was. he came over to see her, found her and was devastated. tim permenter s alibi checked out. police dismissed any clues pointing to a home invasion. after all, karen had been stabbed 16 times, an attack so ferocious, it could only be a crime of passion. now the detectives were desperate to figure out what their biggest, clue of all meant, those three letters written in blood. roc. this is a creepy scene. i mean, you got this scrawled in blood message saying this is my killer. i m now dead, you find this guy.

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 10:42:00

conclusion, karen pannell did not write the name roc on the wall, her killer had. but those three letters were still a gift to police because investigators figured he had to know both karen and roc. detectives started questioning the other men in karen s life. karen had nicknames for her boyfriends, car guy, tim permenter. another she referred to as dr. pilot. dr. pilot, a british airways captain had recently been sending karen romantic texts. but he was aboard a flight over the middle east when karen was killed. so he was ruled out as were most of karen s known male friends, all can prove they were nowhere near her house in oldsmar that night. every boyfriend except car guy, tim permenter, the one who reported finding her body. is she conscious? no.

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 10:45:00

but no report was filed. still, karen s co-workers could tell something was terribly wrong. she had bruising on her neck. in fact, one of her friends at work remembered her missing a day or two, and when she didn t come in, she wore a turtleneck. in the summer months in florida, you don t wear a turtle neck. while the detectives chased down every lead, the crime lab made another big discovery. unlike the bogus message in blood, this message was something forensic analyst anna cox almost passed right over. a pizza box on karen s kitchen counter. you could walk right by and think it had no importance at all. it ended up being crucial in this case. cox was able to lift a clean fingerprint from the box. it was tim permenters, and it blew a hole in his account of what happened. he initially stated that he wasn t there when the pizza was delivered. he told the officers in the

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