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how many more worried about it starting back up. will a new republican strategy open the government back up? also glitched. obama care launched and then landed. >> but the page just wasn't populated so there's some sort of technical glitch and it wasn't working. >> websites not working, thousands of you left without an answer. plus critical condition. >> all his ribs fractured, his lungs are so badly bruised, he's still on the ventilatoventilato. >> reporter: the virial video that shocked america, a swarm of motorcyclists, a family of three in an suv and horrific ending. >> my husband got off the bike to help the guy and he got scared, he peeled off and paralyzed my husband on the way. >> reporter: you're live in the "the newsroom." good morning. i'm carol costello, thank you so much for joining me and welcome to day two of your government being shut down and your plans possibly narrowed, booking a trip to yosemite, better reschedule. want a loan for your small business, that window is closed or how about a visit to the capitol? today it's closed to visitors even though it's open for lawmakers. not that it matters. it's their squabbling that has left much of the government paralyzed or maybe i should say today it's government alacart day, partially opened, partially closed and author rely gridlocked. >> the yeas of 252, the nays 176, two-thirds not being in the affirmative, the rules are not suspended and the joint resolution is not agreed to. >> that, my friends, is your people's house, congress striking down a bill that would fund some of america's treasures, veterans programs, national parks, and washington, d.c.'s local government. could you call it government buffet style, take what you want and leave what you want, like pay-per-view and an idea floated by republican senator ted cruz. >> i think we ought to start passing continuing resolutions narrowly focused on each of the things the president listed. he said border patrol agents won't be paid. he says that he plans to close every national park, let's fund the interior, keeping the parks open, let's one at a time demonstrate the same bipartisan cooperation we saw today with the military and address all of these people that he's holding outers are going to suffer. >> there's no shortage of american suffering but certainly not in silence. >> it's just unfortunate that we're being held hostage by congress in order to further their agenda, which is not our agenda. >> it makes no sense to us. the government, it's their responsibility to pass a budget. it's the law. why didn't they? >> it's unfair to the public. it's unfair to the citizens of this great nation and it's just unfair that we have to experience these types of hardships because people can't get their acts together and agree on something. >> anger, resentment and resolve all boiling over in a most unlikely place in washington, the world war ii memorial. here's cnn's chris lawrence. >> welcome to washington. >> thank you. >> reporter: wheelchair bound veterans came just to see the world war ii memorial, only to be greeted by barricades. >> i don't get it. i don't get it. i'm furious. >> reporter: members of congress seem surprised, but when they vote to shut down the federal government, monuments do, too. >> if i can walk around here why can't i walk down there? it makes no sense. >> reporter: that's exactly what some are saying about negotiations on capitol hill. >> i feel like our government is wasting our taxpayer money. [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: onlookers applauded as the veterans broke past the barricade. >> well, it fills you with pride and makes you proud that you were part of it. >> reporter: lawmakers who came to greet the vets also laid blame for those barricades. >> this is a spiteful decision that was ordered from the white house. >> reporter: the politicians made no mention of their own role. >> we're trying to protect the lives and the health care of these wonderful veterans who did for us. >> reporter: but as they postured within a mile of the memorial, thousands of federal workers were being furloughed. >> everyone is angry. i mean, angry. >> reporter: sent home without pay, they're scared for themselves and their co-workers. angry, worried and incredibly frustrated. >> because i don't see why we the people should suffer because of their disagreement. >> reporter: despite it all, the shutdown won't stop one woman's 93-year-old father who will get to see the memorial that honors him. >> we're just glad he got on the plane this morning. >> reporter: you're still going to enjoy this day? >> oh, yeah, it's going to be great. >> reporter: the thing is flights and hotels are already booked for a dozen more veterans trips during the next week. park officials say they are looking for guidance on how to handle those. translati translation? we can't believe the folks in charge left us here to block elderly veterans from entering an open concrete space. chris lawrence, cnn, washington. >> we've been hearing all week about the potential jobs report and this morning, a new message posted to the bureau of labor statistics website, "this website is not being updated due to the suspension of the federal shutdown period. bls will not collect data or respond to public inquiries." it t says updates to the site will start again when the federal government resumes operations. as more americans are impacted by the shutdown public anger continues to grow and that means politicians in washington need to step up their efforts to blame the other side. in an op-ed for today's "wall street journal" republican house speaker john boehner accuses president obama of a "scorched earth policy of refusing to negotiate in a bipartisan way." that's not all the speaker has to say. cnn's brianna keilar is at the white house this morning to tell us more. good morning. >> reporter: good morning to you, carol. little snippet of the speaker's op- op-ed, he says washington democrats have slammed the door on reopening the government by refusing to engage in bipartisan talks and the stories across the country highlight the devastating impact of obama care on families and small businesses they continue to reject our calls for fairness for all americans." this is the line from house republicans, carol, that the white house and democrats will not engage, but talking to sources here, i'll tell you the way they see it is that there's not even a starting point where republicans are that they could agree to. they don't want to tinker with obama care, they don't want it defunded, don't want it delayed so they don't see the point of engaging at this point because of what republicans are proposing for them is a nonstarter, the idea you may extend government funding, we've seen different proposals from 45 days to 75 days at this point for delaying or completely defunding obama care. they say it's not apples to apples and it's not even close when you compare those two things, so at this point, we think the white house is really trying to rely instead on that public opinion where a lot of americans are saying they would rather see this government shutdown ended and they don't want to see obama care really be the issue here so i think the white house is trying to rely on that, and trying to build pressure against republicans, rather than sitting down and engaging with them. >> all right, we'll talk to you more later this hour and the next. brianna keilar live at the white house this morning. despite the shutdown over obama care, obama care goes on, signups continue today. we know more than 2.8 million people visited healthcare.gov which manages health care for 34 states. the enormous web traffic overloaded the system. lot of people seeing this message "please wait." several state exchanges also having major bugs. california's website had to be shut down for maintenance overnight. officials say they were overwhelmed with 5 million hits and 17,000 phone calls in just a few hours. state officials as well as president obama promised glitches, all of the glitches would be worked out. >> just a couple weeks ago apple rolled out a new operating system and within days they found a glitch, so they fixed it. i don't remember anybody suggested apple should stop sell iphones or ipads. >> struggling with those glitches are people like terry o'neill from sacramento, california. she's a married mother of three, a freelance writer, ph.d. student and independent film producer. her husband has his own business repairing computers, and terry joins us now. good morning, terry. >> good morning. >> okay. so you're excited, going to go to healthcare.gov and what happens next? >> well, i had a lot of trouble on the website itself. healthcare.gov directed me to coveredcalifornia. covered california actually, it took a long time to maneuver through the site and find out where i was supposed to go and how i was supposed to apply online actually. there was no place to apply online. so you had to actually print the application, print the paper application or they say when you print the application you can call the 800 number or apply online. >> how long did that part of your task take? >> that part took about 40 45 minutes trying to maneuver through the website and find the proper link to apply, which wasn't there. it wasn't available. >> did you talk to an actual person at some point? >> yes, after waiting on hold for about an hour, i spoke to a representative there and she said there were glitches in the system and they were unable to process any applications but i was lucky enough to, she actually processed it for me over the phone. she took my information and processed it over the phone. >> that's good. so all of that took what, about three hours but you don't know right now whether you qualify for any plan. is that right? >> correct. yes. they said by the end of the week, maybe next week, they will let me know. >> so after three hours of your time, you still don't know? >> no, i still don't know. >> okay, so that must have been frustrating. still frustrating for you but do you feel it's worth it? >> absolutely i think it's worth it. going years without health care, three hours a week, it's worth a try. it's worth my effort for me and my kids. so yeah it is. it's frustrating but you know, millions of people were online. i expected it. i guess i expected it so i wasn't too disappointed. >> okay. terry o'neal -- >> i knew i wasn't the only one. >> no, you were definitely not alone in your pain. terry o'neal thank you for joining us this morning. we appreciate it. >> thank you. so let's bring in cnn's chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta on the cnn express bus tour in lexington, kentucky, and you're also examining the pitfalls and the benefits of obama care. so how it the administration addressing the glitches in the system? >> well they say it's going to be better today, carol. obviously the proof is in the pudding. they said the same thing yesterday afternoon. i could tell you i was in greenville, south carolina, and we spoke to hundreds of people over there who came by the bus just to ask questions and share their stories and we couldn't find anybody who said they convincingly were able to register, apply and be approved for a plan. similar story to what you just heard, and now we're in kentucky and they say that things were a little bit better here in kentucky yesterday, about 2,900, close to 3,000 people were actually able to get registered, but keep in mind about 3 million people across the country apparently were trying to do this yesterday and the number that actually succeeded much smaller and if i can share with you a little bit of irony in all of this, we've been talking to the department of health and human services, kathleen sebelius' office and the primary person whom we deal with is now furloughed so we had a hard time getting information from hhs specifically about what the numbers look like across the country in terms of registration. the government shutdown even affecting the ability to get information here. >> so what's your best advice? i know terry, i mean at least she got an application in and being processed and eventually she'll find out whether she qualifies but what advice would you give people trying to get onto the system who might have given up yesterday? >> reporter: well, i think that the best advice is this is considered an open enrollment period, and grant that a lot of people who are doing this have never had the luxury of going through an open enrollment before. they've not worked for a company that offered them insurance, but keep in mind you know, carol, open enrollment lasts a while. this open enrollment will go through march 31st and if you do actually apply and register before december 17th, your benefits will start january 1st. my point is you got some time. it seems like at least according to what we're hearing there was a lot of attention, certainly more attention than people estimated there would be this first day yesterday. my guess is in the weeks, even in the months to come, that's going to taper down significantly, probably even today. so you got a lot more shots at it. it's a three-page application ultimately when you do get on. it's fairly straightforward, and the thing that's most notable i think carol, we talked about this yesterday but the most notable thing on this application is what it doesn't ask which is your medical history because that's no longer relevant to how they determine your cost. >> dr. sanjay gupta, thank you so much. i know you're going to be in maryland tomorrow with the questions people are asking about obama care and you can check out "sanjay gupta m.d." every weekend on cnn. before i take you to a break a final ouch, because of the government shutdown, college football may take a hit. saturday's big time rivalry game between navy and air force is supposed to be aired on cbs but cbs could have nothing to show because the teams might not be able to play because of uncle sam and here's why. navy stadium -- andy scholes i'll let you explain ta. air force has to come up with money to travel to where navy is, annapolis. >> that's right. >> and the government usually funds that because it's air force and now they got to dig up some money and if they can't dig up the money they can't go. >> the good old shutdown, the defense department temporarily suspended all athletics for navy, air force and the army and big problem they have to get from kohl doll to annapolis. air force fund their program with ticket sales, tv money. part of it comes from government funding and because of the shutdown can't use that money and there's no rules in place for something like this, we never expected the government to shut down so the lawyers they're sifting through the paperwork trying to figure out if they can use non-government money to fund a trip from colorado to annapolis. of course they can get private donors to pony up for the trip or air force in the mountain west conference they can maybe pay for the conference themselves for them to go but it's a big problem. air force and maeve navy playe year since 1972. you wouldn't want this to happen but we should have a decision tomorrow as well as army and boston college, army whether they can get to their game. decision tomorrow. >> the travel is expensive to put it in perspective, it could cost a couple hundred thousand dollars for air force to get to annapolis. >> taking over 100 people on a chartered flight across the country so it's pretty expensive and of course they had a plan in place but now that plan of course because of the shutdown got to come up with a new one. we'll see if it happens. you don't want to miss a rivalry game like that. >> no! andy scholes thanks so much. u.s. veterans came to visit the world war ii memorial and found it close but guess what? 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[ female announcer ] today, cisco is connecting the internet of everything. so everyone goes home happy. suspicious packages that led to an evac ways of jacksonville international airport in florida were a hoax, that's what a federal law enforcement official tells cnn. the suspicious bag was x-rayed, nothing was in. wjx reports the suspect was arrested at the airport. ground beef is being recalled, central valley meat company says almost 90,000 pounds of the beef may contain small pieces of plastic. it was shipped to arkansas, nebraska and north carolina. similar recall last month aff t affected shipment, no one has gotten sick. looks like a normal landing except that is not a runway, that's the highway. the pilot said the plane lost power during an inspection flight in florida. drivers on the road saw the plane and managed to get out of its way. talk about bad optics, war veterans in wheelchair breaking down barriers to visit the world war ii memorial, government shutdown or no. >> at first i didn't think i'd come, but i'm glad i did now. >> reporter: were you worried when you saw the barriers up? >> no, didn't bother me a bit. >> reporter: you're still going to enjoy this trip? >> yes. >> yes he did. catalyst though perhaps for government alacart in an effort to make sure america does not see this anymore, the house of representatives will attempt again to pass small non-controversial bills to fund what it likes. national parks and veterans affairs, yes. obama care, no. judd gregg is a republican and former senator who served until 2011 and was a member of the senate banking committee, runs a company that promotes job creation. welcome, senator. >> thanks for having me on. >> aren't you glad you're in the private sector now? >> well, i am. it's a little frustrating to watch what's going on. >> i can't even imagine. this idea of passing a series of bills to fund certain parts of the government, is that a good idea? >> it gets to the same end. it's ironic and a little amusing that at some point you basically have a clean resolution, you have a clean continuing resolution if you fund in parts most of the government. i'm not sure what point is made by that. seems to me they need to find the ground where they can reach an agreement on some sort of fiscal policy that's going to improve our deficit problem, improve our debt problem and settle the debt issue, settle the continuing issue, settle the debt ceiling and settle the sequester issue all at ones. the best proposal and best pathway. >> seems impossible to achieve. >> i don't think so. i think as you see the smoke start to clear on this. it's obvious that the continuing issue this shutdown is going to roll into the debt ceiling issue, so you're going to have them both on top of each other soon, by october 17th. they're going to both have to be addressed. the only way you can address them both is take up the issue of how you deal with the sequester because that's the forcing mechanism for getting spending reductions. i think there's a chance to do something and if the parties would sit down and talk, then we could probably get something done. >> let me ask you about the partisanship, because you left the senate in 2011, and that heavyduty partisan seemed to start while you were still in office. i suspect that was not all that comfortable for you. is that fair? >> well, i've always thought that the purpose of government is to govern, and in a constitutional system built off of checks and balances as madison gave us that you have to go across the aisle to govern. that's just a simple fact. there are rare occasions when the majority controls both the senate and the house with large majorities and has the presidency first two years of obama's, president obama's administration and lyndon johnson's administration have, but that's the exception. in most instances our system is built on the basis that you got to go across the aisle and compromise or else you don't get anything done. >> of course that doesn't happen anymore. do you recognize the republican party anymore? >> well, to begin with, it's not the republican party. there are a few folks in the republican party who have staked out this ground which is untenable, which is that you got to repeal obama care or you're not going to open the government. that's not a tenable position. the president's not going to repeal obama care. there are two issues which really aren't on the table for negotiation, one is repealing obama care, the other is raising taxes. republicans aren't going to do that. between the two issues there is a huge opportunity to get something done. i genuinely am optimistic that sound and reasonable people are going to come to the table fairly soon and try to get something done on an agreement that will deal with the debt, deal with the deficit, and address the debt ceiling, address the sequester. >> bruce bartlett, former george h.w. bush administration official tweeted recently "there's a slight possibility that boehner is a genius and the tea party will die a well-deserved death in the next few days. fingers crossed." extreme language but is that your hope, too? >> well my view is that the tea party is not who knowledge nem . there are people not constructive to getting things done and getting the debt down and deficit reduced. people like speaker boehner, who is a very responsible and strong leader in my opinion who is trying to deal with the cards that have been dealt him, he's going to get the microphone back and in the senate, thoughtful republicans who want to get something done have to get the microphone back and most importantly in my opinion the president has to get in to the room and negotiate. we're a nation built off of presidential leadership and he's got to be in the room negotiating. >> we'll see what happens, former republican senator judd gregg, thank you so much, senator, for joining us this morning. >> thanks. we'll be right back. ♪ at any minute... ...you could be a victim of fraud. most people don't even know it. fraud could mean lower credit scores, higher loan rates... ...and maybe not getting the car you want. it's a problem waiting to happen. check your credit score, check your credit report, at experian.com america's number one provider of online credit reports and scores. don't take chances. go to experian.com. good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me this morning. like many stories it's not simply a good guy/bad guy tale, black and white confrontation. group of motorcyclists and the driver of an suv, helmet camera went viral and there was outrage about the driver being dragged out of his car, beaten and slashed. the family of one of the bikers wants you to know he's paralyzed and in a coma. edwin meises was hit by the suv when the driver pulled away. here is what his wife is saying. >> my husband got off his bike to help the guy and whatever he did, he got scared, he went and peeled off and he paralyzed my husband on the way. >> the biker's mother was so emotional she could hardly bet her words out. >> i'm devastated. i'm devastated. all his ribs fractured, his lungs are so badly bruised. he's still on the ventilator. >> reporter tim fleischer from affiliate wabc has more. >> this man in road rage and nobody mentions my husband in a coma paralyzed. >> reporter: fighting for his life, this is 32-year-old edwin mieses critically injured after what appears to be a dangerous and escalating series of events between a large group of motorcyclists and the driver of an suv heading up the henry hudson parkway sunday. police have now charged 28-year-old christopher cruz with causing this initial accident, seen here when he stopped short. others including edwin mieses got off their bikes. the suv driver lurches forward as seen in the video taken by another biker apparently hitting mieses and driving over his motorcycle after he feared for his wife and child with him. >> left him there for dead and left. >> the individual in the suv did call, we responded to that call. >> reporter: the suv is moving and up to 30 bikers are giving chase. they surround the suv near the entrance to the cross bronx expressway. one biker tries to open the driver's door. >> they take their helmets and start to dent his car and apparently his tires are slashed there with a knife. >> reporter: the suv and the bikers take off again this time ending up here at 178th street and st. nicholas safe. bikers are smashing the suv windows with the helmets. the driver is slashed and assaulted after the video stops. police want to question these two biker, one with a flagsti flagsticker of guyana on his motorcycle. both are seen smashing the driver's window, one biker has since surrendered. >> i think we are trying to pull this all together. >> people are going on social media to vent their outrage. laurie g. said this dad had hayes family with him, got beaten and slashed but he's the bad guy? 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>> the colleague who has been fighting for fairness. >> we don't want this shutdown and about 70% -- >> you might want to tell harry reid to end the shutdown. >> you guys are worthless! >> so you heard that from an angry protester. he was yelling "you guys are worthless, worthless, all of you. you can't run the government" so that's a sampling of the anger. both sides are trying to win the messaging war and doesn't look like either side is winning. people want the government to be running again. carol? >> didn't they realize that these things would shut down if they didn't fund the government? >> that's the question for house republicans. this is the messaging battle that will continue today and who knows how long this is going to last. the problem is this doesn't bode well for the next big fight which is the fight over the debt ceiling, which has even bigger consequences for the economy. >> i know, let's take one thing at a time there this morning, shall we? athena jones thank you so much. this friday is supposed to be jobs day but a new message on the bureau of labor statistics says the agency is not collecting any data or issuing any reports. christine romans is in new york with that part of the story. good morning. >> reporter: and it says due to the suspension of government services, carol, when you look at that posting on the bls, the bureau of labor statistics website it reminds you the work of this government has stopped in many cases, and your government is not working for you, because your congress shut it down. that's what it looks like. you know, carol, every month on that first friday of the month we report to you the jobs numbers, the federal reserve looks at that, the government looks at that, employers look at that. everyone wants to get kind of a gut check of what's happening in private sector hiring and there's a pretty good chance we won't get that on friday. there is a chance, carol, that the white house, the office of personnel management could say let's release four or five statisticians and economists, the data has already been maybe collected, we can put that report together. we get no guidance because the economic reports are not essential work and so no one can talk to us about it. it's very murky here. we do know the department of labor on its website has a posting saying that it will release the jobless claims on thursday, so we'll see that. here is the expectations economists still are, they're still doing their work, their expectations are 180,000 jobs created and today we have private sector report carol that showed 166,000 non-farm payrolls created in september. we have to go with that in the absence of any official news from the government. what it shows us, carol, there's nothing really spectacular happening in private sector hiring, just another reason why government shutdown is really bad timing. carol? >> gotcha. christine romans, many thanks. still to come, workers building a new rail line outside of london make a fascinating -- take a look. they found more ancient skulls. question is, who are they? we'll talk about that next. 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"gravity" had his premiere last night in new york, nischelle turner has the scoop for us. good morning. >> reporter: carol if you thought you were getting away from shutdown talk by coming to me hate to break it to you, you're not. even on the red carpets talk was about the government shutdown. you'd expect nothing less from george clooney who co-stars and is political a aware, comes from a political family. he and sandra bullock weighed in on washington. >> i do think that cooler heads as you see them starting to move around will prevail. you see representative peter king and people like that on the right who want the 30 or so tea party group, who aren't them that come to shut down government, they don't want to do it and i think cooler heads will prevail. >> if the government shuts down does it mean i get to stop paying taxes for right now because they are not working? that is awesome. okay. for the amount they're closed i'm not paying my taxes and watch, i get arrested tonight. she said she's not paying her taxes. >> of course she was being sarcastic but let me just put it out there for anybody who thought she may have been you know, serious. the irs is not conducting audits but you do still have to pay taxes. i have seen this movie. i know you said you were excited to see it. >> don't give anything away. >> you were in it, didn't you play her stunt double? you look alike. >> so many people tell me that and i'm so plattflattered by th because she's so nice and pretty. >> wish i had a split screen but this movie first of all is an hour and a half long but it feels like about three hours and not in a bad way because it's so intense. it really is. i literally started having palpitations like oh, my goodness. it's one of those feet-gripping movies so you're really like gripping it on both edges of your seat there, and you think about this, you look at her there, and it is every astronaut's worst nightmare, what happens if you get lost in space? and that's basically the crux of this movie. >> there's a deeper meaning explored, what is it really like to be alone, alone. >> and you know what? it makes you think about that and makes you think about how do you react when you're just in the still of the moment, because she's in the still of it a lot in this movie. >> how do you handle abject fear? i can't wait to see the movie. nirv nischelle turner thank you so much. here's what's new in the next hour of "u.s. inroom" messages to washington. >> it's unfair to the public. it's unfair to the citizens of this great nation. >> we hit the streets of middle america to see what you have to say to your lawmakers. plus a double whammy for thousands of kids and their teachers, first the sequestration, now head start hit hard by the government shutdown. they're taking their fight for funds straight to the capital. and this -- >> doh! 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>> it's unfair to the public. it's unfair to the citizens of the great nation. it's just unfair that we had to experience these types of hardships because people can't get their act together and agree on something. >> as more americans are impacted by the shutdown, public anger grows. politicians need to step up their efforts to blame the other side. in an on p-ed john boehner accud president obama of scorched earth policy of refusing to negotiate in a bipartisan way. let's begin with the impact on head start. the thousands of families who depend on it. supporters of the program have gathered on capitol hill in protest of the cuts. one of the protesters is vanessa rich, board president for the national headstart association. she's on the phone with us now. describe the scene for us out there. >> well, thank you for having us and allowing us to speak this morning. out here on the lawn we have a couple hundred -- and some of the children and their parents who are here in the background trying to draw attention to the fact that they are suffering. between the sequester and the shutdown, we are looking at over 70,000 young, vulnerable children being affected. >> talk about those families and how exactly they are affected. i know their parents probably have trouble finding them day care, for instance. tell us about their hardships. >> well, head start was targeted towards the poor in our country. those people who are working the day-to-day jobs who can't afford to miss an hour without putting that job in jeopardy, who are starting back to school and getting their lives together. those are the families that we are targeting. the programs we are trying to provide for their children, it's catastrophic. >> last question for you. do you have any hope at this point that your funding will be restored? >> you know, i have great hope in the united states and in congress, believe it or not. you can't keep hitting little children. it doesn't work. the only way to bring this together is to look at the glass half full. i do believe they are going to pull it together. it i's just going to hurt families if they don't. >> i hope you're right. vanessa rich with the national head start association. thanks for joining me. throughout this mess americans have held republicans the most to blame for the shutdown, at least until this point. what about the party faithful? do everyday republicans see it as a fight worth fighting? what's their message to washington. what are republicans on the street telling you, ted? >> reporter: you get a lot of views. there is disgust with the prevailing theme for both parties and capitol hill. some republicans say, you know, we are worried what's going to happen, the net effect is we are going to get blamed. there was that talk and others that say we don't think a government shutdown is so bad. listen. >> i think republicans get a lot of blame for it. i don't think it is their fault. there is plenty of blame to go around but they will get the blame, yeah. >> what would you say the to the president and harry reid? >> i would say let's get off this my way or the highway stuff. let's compromise, figure out what pieces can work, figure out what pieces we can make work and adjust. >> my daughter is an irs agent. she's trying to figure out how to make her mortgage payment. does it concern me ? yes. do i think it will hurt republicans? i think it will hurt republicans and democrats. nobody wins. everybody comes across looking like a jerk. >> are you worried the shutdown wi hurt the party? >> no. i'm in favor of what they are doing, frankly. you can b see the world is coming to an end because of federal government shutdown. >> i think it's safe to say most people we talked to are concerned that if this does keep going then republican wills get the blame. there are people who hope this is a short-term shutdown. >> ted rowlands, thank you so much. reporting from due page county, illinois, this morning. after all you have heard about the government shutdown what's your message to washington? we want you to make a video for us and send it to ireport.com. as the shutdown continues, just make sure you share your views on cnn. thank you for that. 8,000 federal workers are furloughed without pay. that's the combined work force of target, general motors, ek son and google. and they don't know when they will go back to work. the union president of the nay uh value post graduate school in california which is now closed with nearly all of its 1500 federal workers furloughed. good morning. >> good morning. as you watch the drama unfold on capitol hill, what goes through your mind? >> it's hard to describe without any positive words. disappointment, frustration. you know, we pride ourselves on a good culture of motivated and energized employees. this is dealing a blow to morale. >> i i talked to someone from the cato institute yesterday. he said federal workers should expect this. they work for the federal government. so this is more of a slim-down than a shutdown. and they should be patient. what do you say to that? i think there is an expectation that you will come to work each day. i disagree that should be expected. you're not being paid at this moment. do you think that's fair? >> well, they are at work. i will try to be objective and say they are in there working, they should be getting paid. but they have to have us at the forefront of what they are doing and realize we're not. i hope we are the constituents they are thinking about. >> are federal workers placing blame or does it matter? >> absolutely. it's almost like we are referring to them in washington. the first response would be, you know, as a whole. it might come down to a party line after that. we are disappointed here. it's hard to recover from this. pete randazzo. thanks for sharing your thoughts with me this morning. >> you're welcome. good luck with this. >> to you, too. still to come, millions flock to the web to learn about the affordable care act's new health insurance exchanges only to be greet by error messages. we'll tell you who will fix the glitches when we come back. just by talking to a helmet. it grabbed the patient's record before we even picked him up. it found out the doctor we needed was at st. anne's. wiggle your toes. 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>> susan candiotti, thank you. checking other top stories at 16 past the hour. scary video shows a school bus crash from inside the bus. scary, right? washington state trooper says the bus driver hit another school bus and a truck. luckily there were no children on board at the time and no one was hurt. the driver was ticketed for negligent driving. she's under investigation by the school. a california meat producer expanded a re call of ground beef bound for the national school lunch program. central valley meet meat company said almost 90,000 pounds of beef i may contain small pieces of plastic. it was shipped to arkansas, nebraska and north carolina. a similar recall last month included montana, arkansas, texas. no illness or injuries were reported. looks like a normal landing but that's a highway, not a runway. the pilot said the plane lost power during an inspection flight in florida. drivers saw the plane and got out of the way. after a quick repair the road was shut down and the plane took off again. a fencing coach uses a sword to foil a robbery. franko was shopping in nashville after fencing practice when he saw two men attack a couple with pepper spray and steal a purse. according to wsmv we he grabbed his sword. >> i charged towards them, you know, holding my epee up high, yelling at them. i kept yelling through the entire thing. they panicked, dropped everything they stole and took off. >> good for him. oh two suspects were arrested and jailed on $50,000 bond each. the coach told our affiliate, quote, you have to overcome your own fears. chrysler is reel calling more than 140,000 jeep grand cherokees and dodge ram pickup trucks worldwide according to the detroit news. according to the report, chrysler will upgrade software in the 2014 models to fix problems with warning lights and instrument displays. we'll be right back. my asthma's under control. i get out a lot... except when it's too cold. like the last three weekends. asthma doesn't affect my job... you missed the meeting again last week! it doesn't affect my family. your coughing woke me up again. i wish you'd take me to the park. i don't use my rescue inhaler a lot... depends on what you mean by a lot. coping with asthma isn't controlling it. test your level of control at asthma.com, then talk to your doctor. there may be more you could do for your asthma. over 20 million drivers are insured with geico. so get a free rate quote today. i love it! how much do you love it? 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>> it should be. these are technical issues. for all the debate about obama care and whether it's good, bad, expensive, on time, all of that, this is a technical matter like any technical product rolled out there. it does look like today many problems of yesterday have been fixed. probably they are encountering new problems but they are moving forward. >> tom forethe man live in wash warks thank you. still to come, battle lines over the government shutdown. democrats, republicans and the tea party. the powerful and pugnacious group making enemies on both sides of the aisle. before they sat down, one more time, just for themselves. before the last grandchild. before the first grandchild. smile. before katie, debbie, kevin and brad... there was a connection that started it all and made the future the wonderful thing it turned out to be... at bank of america, we know we're not the center of your life, but we'll do our best to help you connect to what is. good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you very much for joining us. the government remains technically shut down. only partly because some people call it a slimdown. look at the fox news website. tell that to those going without a paycheck while congress continue it is to make money. i'm not sure they would consider it a slimdown. uh i think they consider it a shutdown. more people are affected by the shutdown who aren't federal employees like kevin morrow who is a freelance research er who re-elis on federal re sours like the library of congress to do his job. good morning, kevin. >> good morning. >> how does the shutdown affect your work? >> basically, it depends on federal the resources to do my job. i do research at various archive re positive toirs like the national archives, library of congress, naval historical center. when they are shut down, i can't do my work basically. unless i have any projects ongoing that allow me to do work at a re search facility other than a federal research facility i'm pretty much dead in the water. >> this has more widespread repercussions than people realize -- this shutdown. >> definitely. yes. >> i just want to ask. i know you were a federal employee during the last shutdown 17 years ago. what was that like and how does it compare to this shutdown? >> during the last shutdown not only myself but three other family members were working for the federal government at the time. we were all sent home. it was pretty infuriating. we didn't know if we were going to get paid. one of the big differences with the last shutdown was a republican congressman in northern virginia, tom davis, volunteered to put his congressional salary in an escrow account during the crisis. something i'm not seeing now. so at least the last time there were a few people going to bat for us on the republican side. there are some, but you are not hearing from them. federal employees have it good. listen to him respond. >> there are millions of workers out there who have taken pay cuts through a recession whose income goes to those people who had it good, the federal employees in washington over the past few years while the rest of the country suffered paying the bills. >> your thoughts? >> well, i would say that's inaccurate. in the sense that it sounds like the individual is portraying federal workers as having things better than the rest of everybody else. that may be only because they actually have jobs that they can depend on except in times like this. if you're a senior -- >> well, you know the rub on federal workers. this guy saying, hey, they have great jobs. they should be grateful. they should expect these things to happen. >> as a freelancer we expect this to happen because we are used to short periods of unemployment. it's outrageous, honestly. really outrageous for him to say that. >> a lot of lawmakers are very wealthy individuals. i have heard from federal workers that it bugs them like, you know, you are still continuing to accept a paycheck and here i am waiting to see when my next paycheck is coming? >> or if i will get paid, yeah. i think you are going -- a lot of federal employees who hear it will be upset. >> i think you're right. thanks for joining us this morning. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> on capitol hill the house is back in session, trying to create a budget a la carte. republicans now crafting a serieses of bills to fund everything noncontroversial. national parks, yes. veterans affairs, yes. obama care, no. it's an idea sparked by tea party republican ted cruz. >> i think we ought the to start passing continuing resolutions narrowly focused on each of the things the president listed. he said border patrol agents won't be paid. fine, a continuing resolution for border agents. he plans to close the national parks. fine, fund the interior, keep the parks open. one at a time, let's demonstrate the same bipartisan cooperation we saw with the military and address all of the people he's. >> our cnn political analyst and also he works at the daily baste and is in washington to talk tea party and more. first off, even if the house passes the a la carte bills the president would likely veto them, right? >> maybe not just likely. the white house has issued a veto threat. we don't expect the senate to take it up. it uh would require the senate taking it up and going to the president's the desk. we never expected it to get that far. this is the fourth loop we have seen. the house proposes something. the white house puts out a veto through the administration threat. the senate dismantled whatever the house sent them. it goes back around in a circle. this is the fourth circle of this. >> so could you consider this a step forward in any i way? >> no. i think actually this is just sort of the same kind of cycle that we have been see. i know i wouldn't consider it that. >> all right. stick around. i want to bring john in to talk about the tea party and the power of the tea party now. a lot of people say the tea the party is controlling republicans in the house and are responsible for the government shutdown. there are signs at least some republicans are now fighting back. so, john avalon, i think it is hard to believe just a small number of tea party republicans could be controlling what the government does. >> well, it may seem stunning. it may seem like a derivation in democracy but this is what's happening. this is the problem with extreme s. they are their own side's worst enemy. responsible republicans are starting to realize that they may have made a deal with the devil in the past encouraging folks who are interestinged in grand standing more than governing. the serious under tone is the two sides aren't talking now. the government shutdown, we are not talking two days, but two weeks here. this is a crisis in the democracy. it's not about obama care. it's about something more serious. >> the house speaker john boehner is a smart guy. why doesn't he override the tea party members and get something through the house the senate might consider? >> it's not just about these tea party members which could be as few as a few dozen folks. it's also that there is a large contingent of republicans who if they vote their conscience would vote for a clean bill to fund the government. they are concerned about the election. they are afraid in a way of really more what the opinion is of the tea party contingent members and it may reflect what some of the voters in the district think. i know you have been pointing it out. there are republicans who say let 's pass a clean funding bill. i can almost guarantee that either they do not have a really strong contingent of tea party voters in the district or they have voters who are maybe contracting with the government or the military or they have other concerns that push toward getting it over with. >> seems like if the tea party remains strong, and you have written many books about the movement saying their power is somewhat diminished. but it doesn't seem that way. >> we have a real disconnect. in terms of popular support the tea party is waning, seen as a problem in washington. a source of dysfunction rather than a solution to it. inside congress, the party itself, because the dynamic where folks in the republican party are really more worried about losing a primary challenge than a general election because of the system of redistricting, their power has been artificially increased. that's leading to this crisis. so you have a disconnect between partisan politics in washington and main street americans. the ultimate result is what we are seeing today. speaker john boehner, suffering from stockholm syndrome. people forcing him into this position, stopping a clean continuing resolution to fund the government, from focusing on legacy items like immigration re form, he can't do that because he's held captive by folks on the far right. they have spooked everybody into thinking they will primary challenge them. that's a disconnect and a growing sense of frustration as people realize the shutdown isn't going ai way soon. >> i was going to pose that question to brianna. predictions on how long the shutdown may last? >> we have heard from folks on both sides. it could last weeks. it's unclear at this point. i don't think it is going away in the next couple of days. the issue is when you are looking at the debt ceiling on october 17 as the shutdown pushes on, all of this gets squished together if they are going to avert budget battles it will be dealing with the shutdown and the debt ceiling in addition to whatever concessions the white house and senate democrats may give to achieve those end s. >> thanks for the discussion this morning. i appreciate it. this is cnn breaking news. >> some sad news to pass along to you now. the author tom clancy died. he was just 66 years old. tom clancy wrote "the hunt for red october," a great bestselling author. tell us more. >> we are just getting word. we have confirmed that tom clancy did die yesterday . we are still trying to get details of what happened. the new york times is reporting he died in baltimore yesterday. you mentioned some of his work. he was the bestselling author known so much for his work that put jack ryan in our books and on television. "the hunt for red october" was his first novel published in 1984. basement a bestseller after president reagan complimented the book. he went on the to write a host of books centered around character jack ryan. in 2003 he published "the teeth of the tiger." that made jack ryan, jr., the central character. he has a book to be out december 3 called "command authority." that's the latest book in his arsenal he's had there. but, again, we are getting word in that tom clancy has died at the age of 66. we are still getting more details on this. of course we'll follow it throughout the day. >> he's from baltimore county, maryland. a long-time resident of baltimore. tom clancy dead at the age of 66. hopefully we'll have more information to pass along soon. we'll be right back . life could be hectic. as a working mom of two young boys angie's list saves me a lot of time. after reading all the reviews i know i'm making the right choice. online or on the phone, we help you hire right the first time. with honest reviews on over 720 local services. keeping up with these two is more than a full time job, and i don't have time for unreliable companies. angie's list definitely saves me time and money. for over 18 years we've helped people take care of the things that matter most. join today. nthat's why they deserve... aer anbrake dance. get 50% off new brake pads and shoes. a rocky start to the roll out of obama care. glitches mar the launch of the new health insurance exchanges. are they just snags or a sign of trouble ahead? dr. sanjay gupta has been traveling state to state to see where the problems are. >> reporter: 8:00 a.m. eastern, the doors fling open on the new marketplace where millions of americans should be able to sign up for health insurance. within minutes, thud. the site started going down. overwhelmed, they say, by heavy traffic. new york state, internal service error. washington state, the same thing. the federal website is handling sign-up for 36 states including pennsylvania. that's where 25-year-old lauren hartley tried to sign up. >> and then on the third page i asked for, you know, security questions but the page just wasn't populated. so there was some kind of technical glitch. it wasn't working. >> reporter: by midday the president and lcritics were weighing in. >> like every law, every new product roll-out there will be glitches along the way that we'll fix. i have been saying it from the start. we're going to speed things up in the next uh few hour uhs to handle the demand that exceeds anything you expected. >> reporter: a system that's full of glitches. >> that's the word being used today. glitches means it's not working. i don't think those glitches get better over the next few weeks. >> what's going to go on now. >> reporter: in lexington, kentucky, 62-year-old howard stovall runs a business making signs. >> health care costs, like everybody's have been going up every year. this year if we do nothing and keep the same plan it will be a 30% increase. >> reporter: he has high hopes for obama care. >> we expect to have a lot more variety in what's available to us and to our employees. >> reporter: 3:00. he decides to take a crack to see what he can buy for his workers and for himself. >> this is the kentucky site. click on the individuals plan. we have an error. it says you can call customer service. i think we'd probably just get a busy signal now. we have been at it for a while here. i'm still hopeful long term. we have gotten errors and roadblocks and some confusing requests to download software. >> reporter: he wasn't alone. in south carolina i talked to nearly a hundred people on day one and not one was able to get on the sign-up site. pretty common problem, carol. i know you have been talking about this. we heard from hhs that 3 million people tried to get online and sign up. here in kentucky, only 2900 people were successful. that gives you an idea. that confused things for people in a state like kentucky you've got a democratic governor, two senators. mitch mcconnell and rand paul with different views and messages they are send ing about the program. that adds to the confusion. >> here is the problem for the obama care station. you're a young person. you tried to get online to no avail. are you going to try again? if you're uh conflicted, keep in mind obama care needs as many young people to sign up as possible. that's partly how it will fund obama care -- through insurance policies that young people buy. >> that's absolutely right. you know, look. i think people will try again. this open enrollment period is six months long. hard to predict what people's behaviors will be. that was day one. supposedly things improve ed a little bit on day two. it's hard to get information because some of the workers from whom we would get the information have been furloughed. it adds more to this. i think keep in mind that what drives us is this individual mandate. people who can afford to buy health care insurance must buy it, face a penalty . people who can't afford it can get a subsidy. but everyone can purchase it in one way or another over the next six months. >> sanjay gupta, thank you so much. i know you are in maryland tomorrow with question questions people are asking about obama care there. check out sanjay every weekend on cnn. thanks, sanjay. we'll be right back. 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0 ♪ it's all right it is all right, it's over for us today on "new day" and we give it to carol costello. >> i got it. thanks, guy, have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. happening now in "the newsroom," impasse and anger. >> you guys are worthless in my opinion, all of you. worthless! you don't run this country. >> shutdown breakdown. >> this is a waste of time. it's not going anyplace. >> america fed up from being put down. >> how many are worried about the government shuttown? how many more worried about it starting back up. will a new republican strategy open the government back up? also glitched. obama care launched and then landed. >> but the page just wasn't populated so there's some sort of technical glitch and it wasn't working. >> websites not working, thousands of you left without an answer. plus critical condition. >> all his ribs fractured, his lungs are so badly bruised, he's still on the ventilatoventilato. >> reporter: the virial video that shocked america, a swarm of motorcyclists, a family of three in an suv and horrific ending. >> my husband got off the bike to help the guy and he got scared, he peeled off and paralyzed my husband on the way. >> reporter: you're live in the "the newsroom." good morning. i'm carol costello, thank you so much for joining me and welcome to day two of your government being shut down and your plans possibly narrowed, booking a trip to yosemite, better reschedule. want a loan for your small business, that window is closed or how about a visit to the capitol? today it's closed to visitors even though it's open for lawmakers. not that it matters. it's their squabbling that has left much of the government paralyzed or maybe i should say today it's government alacart day, partially opened, partially closed and author rely gridlocked. >> the yeas of 252, the nays 176, two-thirds not being in the affirmative, the rules are not suspended and the joint resolution is not agreed to. >> that, my friends, is your people's house, congress striking down a bill that would fund some of america's treasures, veterans programs, national parks, and washington, d.c.'s local government. could you call it government buffet style, take what you want and leave what you want, like pay-per-view and an idea floated by republican senator ted cruz. >> i think we ought to start passing continuing resolutions narrowly focused on each of the things the president listed. he said border patrol agents won't be paid. he says that he plans to close every national park, let's fund the interior, keeping the parks open, let's one at a time demonstrate the same bipartisan cooperation we saw today with the military and address all of these people that he's holding outers are going to suffer. >> there's no shortage of american suffering but certainly not in silence. >> it's just unfortunate that we're being held hostage by congress in order to further their agenda, which is not our agenda. >> it makes no sense to us. the government, it's their responsibility to pass a budget. it's the law. why didn't they? >> it's unfair to the public. it's unfair to the citizens of this great nation and it's just unfair that we have to experience these types of hardships because people can't get their acts together and agree on something. >> anger, resentment and resolve all boiling over in a most unlikely place in washington, the world war ii memorial. here's cnn's chris lawrence. >> welcome to washington. >> thank you. >> reporter: wheelchair bound veterans came just to see the world war ii memorial, only to be greeted by barricades. >> i don't get it. i don't get it. i'm furious. >> reporter: members of congress seem surprised, but when they vote to shut down the federal government, monuments do, too. >> if i can walk around here why can't i walk down there? it makes no sense. >> reporter: that's exactly what some are saying about negotiations on capitol hill. >> i feel like our government is wasting our taxpayer money. [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: onlookers applauded as the veterans broke past the barricade. >> well, it fills you with pride and makes you proud that you were part of it. >> reporter: lawmakers who came to greet the vets also laid blame for those barricades. >> this is a spiteful decision that was ordered from the white house. >> reporter: the politicians made no mention of their own role. >> we're trying to protect the lives and the health care of these wonderful veterans who did for us. >> reporter: but as they postured within a mile of the memorial, thousands of federal workers were being furloughed. >> everyone is angry. i mean, angry. >> reporter: sent home without pay, they're scared for themselves and their co-workers. angry, worried and incredibly frustrated. >> because i don't see why we the people should suffer because of their disagreement. >> reporter: despite it all, the shutdown won't stop one woman's 93-year-old father who will get to see the memorial that honors him. >> we're just glad he got on the plane this morning. >> reporter: you're still going to enjoy this day? >> oh, yeah, it's going to be great. >> reporter: the thing is flights and hotels are already booked for a dozen more veterans trips during the next week. park officials say they are looking for guidance on how to handle those. translati translation? we can't believe the folks in charge left us here to block elderly veterans from entering an open concrete space. chris lawrence, cnn, washington. >> we've been hearing all week about the potential jobs report and this morning, a new message posted to the bureau of labor statistics website, "this website is not being updated due to the suspension of the federal shutdown period. bls will not collect data or respond to public inquiries." it t says updates to the site will start again when the federal government resumes operations. as more americans are impacted by the shutdown public anger continues to grow and that means politicians in washington need to step up their efforts to blame the other side. in an op-ed for today's "wall street journal" republican house speaker john boehner accuses president obama of a "scorched earth policy of refusing to negotiate in a bipartisan way." that's not all the speaker has to say. cnn's brianna keilar is at the white house this morning to tell us more. good morning. >> reporter: good morning to you, carol. little snippet of the speaker's op- op-ed, he says washington democrats have slammed the door on reopening the government by refusing to engage in bipartisan talks and the stories across the country highlight the devastating impact of obama care on families and small businesses they continue to reject our calls for fairness for all americans." this is the line from house republicans, carol, that the white house and democrats will not engage, but talking to sources here, i'll tell you the way they see it is that there's not even a starting point where republicans are that they could agree to. they don't want to tinker with obama care, they don't want it defunded, don't want it delayed so they don't see the point of engaging at this point because of what republicans are proposing for them is a nonstarter, the idea you may extend government funding, we've seen different proposals from 45 days to 75 days at this point for delaying or completely defunding obama care. they say it's not apples to apples and it's not even close when you compare those two things, so at this point, we think the white house is really trying to rely instead on that public opinion where a lot of americans are saying they would rather see this government shutdown ended and they don't want to see obama care really be the issue here so i think the white house is trying to rely on that, and trying to build pressure against republicans, rather than sitting down and engaging with them. >> all right, we'll talk to you more later this hour and the next. brianna keilar live at the white house this morning. despite the shutdown over obama care, obama care goes on, signups continue today. we know more than 2.8 million people visited healthcare.gov which manages health care for 34 states. the enormous web traffic overloaded the system. lot of people seeing this message "please wait." several state exchanges also having major bugs. california's website had to be shut down for maintenance overnight. officials say they were overwhelmed with 5 million hits and 17,000 phone calls in just a few hours. state officials as well as president obama promised glitches, all of the glitches would be worked out. >> just a couple weeks ago apple rolled out a new operating system and within days they found a glitch, so they fixed it. i don't remember anybody suggested apple should stop sell iphones or ipads. >> struggling with those glitches are people like terry o'neill from sacramento, california. she's a married mother of three, a freelance writer, ph.d. student and independent film producer. her husband has his own business repairing computers, and terry joins us now. good morning, terry. >> good morning. >> okay. so you're excited, going to go to healthcare.gov and what happens next? >> well, i had a lot of trouble on the website itself. healthcare.gov directed me to coveredcalifornia. covered california actually, it took a long time to maneuver through the site and find out where i was supposed to go and how i was supposed to apply online actually. there was no place to apply online. so you had to actually print the application, print the paper application or they say when you print the application you can call the 800 number or apply online. >> how long did that part of your task take? >> that part took about 40 45 minutes trying to maneuver through the website and find the proper link to apply, which wasn't there. it wasn't available. >> did you talk to an actual person at some point? >> yes, after waiting on hold for about an hour, i spoke to a representative there and she said there were glitches in the system and they were unable to process any applications but i was lucky enough to, she actually processed it for me over the phone. she took my information and processed it over the phone. >> that's good. so all of that took what, about three hours but you don't know right now whether you qualify for any plan. is that right? >> correct. yes. they said by the end of the week, maybe next week, they will let me know. >> so after three hours of your time, you still don't know? >> no, i still don't know. >> okay, so that must have been frustrating. still frustrating for you but do you feel it's worth it? >> absolutely i think it's worth it. going years without health care, three hours a week, it's worth a try. it's worth my effort for me and my kids. so yeah it is. it's frustrating but you know, millions of people were online. i expected it. i guess i expected it so i wasn't too disappointed. >> okay. terry o'neal -- >> i knew i wasn't the only one. >> no, you were definitely not alone in your pain. terry o'neal thank you for joining us this morning. we appreciate it. >> thank you. so let's bring in cnn's chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta on the cnn express bus tour in lexington, kentucky, and you're also examining the pitfalls and the benefits of obama care. so how it the administration addressing the glitches in the system? >> well they say it's going to be better today, carol. obviously the proof is in the pudding. they said the same thing yesterday afternoon. i could tell you i was in greenville, south carolina, and we spoke to hundreds of people over there who came by the bus just to ask questions and share their stories and we couldn't find anybody who said they convincingly were able to register, apply and be approved for a plan. similar story to what you just heard, and now we're in kentucky and they say that things were a little bit better here in kentucky yesterday, about 2,900, close to 3,000 people were actually able to get registered, but keep in mind about 3 million people across the country apparently were trying to do this yesterday and the number that actually succeeded much smaller and if i can share with you a little bit of irony in all of this, we've been talking to the department of health and human services, kathleen sebelius' office and the primary person whom we deal with is now furloughed so we had a hard time getting information from hhs specifically about what the numbers look like across the country in terms of registration. the government shutdown even affecting the ability to get information here. >> so what's your best advice? i know terry, i mean at least she got an application in and being processed and eventually she'll find out whether she qualifies but what advice would you give people trying to get onto the system who might have given up yesterday? >> reporter: well, i think that the best advice is this is considered an open enrollment period, and grant that a lot of people who are doing this have never had the luxury of going through an open enrollment before. they've not worked for a company that offered them insurance, but keep in mind you know, carol, open enrollment lasts a while. this open enrollment will go through march 31st and if you do actually apply and register before december 17th, your benefits will start january 1st. my point is you got some time. it seems like at least according to what we're hearing there was a lot of attention, certainly more attention than people estimated there would be this first day yesterday. my guess is in the weeks, even in the months to come, that's going to taper down significantly, probably even today. so you got a lot more shots at it. it's a three-page application ultimately when you do get on. it's fairly straightforward, and the thing that's most notable i think carol, we talked about this yesterday but the most notable thing on this application is what it doesn't ask which is your medical history because that's no longer relevant to how they determine your cost. >> dr. sanjay gupta, thank you so much. i know you're going to be in maryland tomorrow with the questions people are asking about obama care and you can check out "sanjay gupta m.d." every weekend on cnn. before i take you to a break a final ouch, because of the government shutdown, college football may take a hit. saturday's big time rivalry game between navy and air force is supposed to be aired on cbs but cbs could have nothing to show because the teams might not be able to play because of uncle sam and here's why. navy stadium -- andy scholes i'll let you explain ta. air force has to come up with money to travel to where navy is, annapolis. >> that's right. >> and the government usually funds that because it's air force and now they got to dig up some money and if they can't dig up the money they can't go. >> the good old shutdown, the defense department temporarily suspended all athletics for navy, air force and the army and big problem they have to get from kohl doll to annapolis. air force fund their program with ticket sales, tv money. part of it comes from government funding and because of the shutdown can't use that money and there's no rules in place for something like this, we never expected the government to shut down so the lawyers they're sifting through the paperwork trying to figure out if they can use non-government money to fund a trip from colorado to annapolis. of course they can get private donors to pony up for the trip or air force in the mountain west conference they can maybe pay for the conference themselves for them to go but it's a big problem. air force and maeve navy playe year since 1972. you wouldn't want this to happen but we should have a decision tomorrow as well as army and boston college, army whether they can get to their game. decision tomorrow. >> the travel is expensive to put it in perspective, it could cost a couple hundred thousand dollars for air force to get to annapolis. >> taking over 100 people on a chartered flight across the country so it's pretty expensive and of course they had a plan in place but now that plan of course because of the shutdown got to come up with a new one. we'll see if it happens. you don't want to miss a rivalry game like that. >> no! andy scholes thanks so much. u.s. veterans came to visit the world war ii memorial and found it close but guess what? 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we learned today it was the spral reason why schwarzenegger and maria shriver, seen here in better times, announced their separation last week after 25 years of marriage. schwarzenegger today admitted he fathered a child with a member of the household staff. >> he went on to say -- >> later, this statement from his wife -- >> there are additional details tonight. "the new york times" reporting tonight the child is a boy. he's now 14 and his mother, again, according to "the times," was pregnant with him at the tame seem maria shriver was pregnant with their youngest child. the boy was an occasional presence at the schwarzenegger home and there was rumors about schwarzenegger for years, stories of infidelity during his first campaign for governor he was accused of groping women. this is how he responded back then. >> i always say that wherever there's smoke, there's fire. that is true. and i want to say to you, yes, i have behaved badly sometimes. >> well, two days after he made that statement, maria shriver launched a public campaign supporting her husband in the campaign. >> so in the end, in these final 48, 72 hours, you can make a decision. you can listen to all the negativity and you can listen to people who have never met arnold or who met him for five seconds 30 years ago or you can listen to me. >> well, that was in october nearly eight years ago. what she apparently did not know then, and that we just learned today is that the child her husband fathered would have already been a toddler at the time or older if "the new york times" version is correct. two years before that, schwarzenegger was railing against single parenthood saying, i think the situation with single parenting is disastrous. he was talking mainly but not exclusively about poor inner city parents and kids. we'll talk about that tonight as well as why women stick with men despite warning signs. first, how we got here, what we know. in the state of california, in this morning's los angeles times, schwarzenegger fathered a child with household staff. the woman who had the affair and the child with schwarzenegger had worked for his family for about a decade at the time of the affair and only recently retired. a source told cnn that schwarzenegger financially supported the child since birth. when "the l.a. times" began asking questions, the mother said that another man, her husband at the time, was the father. she also said she was leaving her long-time job with the family because "i wanted to achieve my 20 years and i asked to retire." the staffer's cover story about the father fell awart when schwarzenegger paternity. the woman has had no further comment. allegations of affairs occasionally surfaced throughout his eight years in office, but none seem to threaten his marriage with maria shriver. schwarzenegger told his wife about the child after leaving office in january and since then they have effectively lived separate lives, according to "the l.a. times." he's been trying to revive his film career. interested in making sequeling to "the terminator" and he's globe trotted to benghazi with james cameron, to france, and to washington to participate in the conference on immigration with president obama. trips he took all reportedly without his wife. three weeks ago, the couple marked a milestone. 25 years of marriage. normally a call for celebration. but then last monday, they announced they were akicably separating. they released a statement that read in part -- this has been a time of great personal and professional transition for each of us. at this time, we're living apart while we work on the future of our relationship. a day after that announcement on tuesday, schwarzenegger seemed to suggest they were trying to work through issues. >> we both love each other very much. we have four extraordinary children and we're taking one day at a time. >> "the l.a. times" reports shriver was less optimistic. she had been unhappy in the marriage for years and was waiting for her husband's term to end before splitting. today's bombshell has only deepened the divide between the couple. shriver called the latest news heartbreaking and the couple's children also are speaking out on twitter. out of all the doubts and questions schwarzenegger's family must have had, one of the biggest is on the mind of a nation, how could he keep this secret for so long? joining us now is former l.a. times writer joe matthews, author of "the people's ma scene, arnold schwarzenegger and the rise of the blockbuster democracy." also joining us, jessica yellin and candy crowley. jessica, obviously long standing rumors of womanizing are one thing. a secret out of wedlock child is something else entirely. how big a surprise was this revelation? >> reporter: i've spoke on the a lot of insiders today who, to a person say, not that surprised. i'm sort of shocked by that. they say the fact that it was a housekeeper and the fact that there's a child is startling, but it was a general understanding he had a problem with womanizing and that it was sort of baked into his image and what people know about him, especially in his community in l.a. there are even people saying this is not going to hurt his movie career. men behaving badly seem to do okay. it will hurt any political aspirations. but he left office with an approval rating in the mid 20s. >> joe, you covered schwarzenegger for a long time. does it surprise you, and how did he manage to keep this underwraps so long? >> you had a situation where the woman was married at the time. he was married. both had a reason not to tell anyone. i don't think it's terribly surprising this was a secret for a long time. politicians, while we reporters love to think that we know all, we don't. we often know very little. and this was the case here. i think in this particular case, i was surprised by the announcement of a separation. these are two people who are very invested in this marriage. not just for all the personal reasons but because the narrative of the marriage, this marriage between two very different people who despite their problems and differences, managed to make it work. so they have a lot of reasons not to get divorced, not to split. but the news that he was involved with a woman who was not his wife was not surprising. this is not someone who has run as a public moralist or promised in politics to be faithful to his wife or was faithful in the past or would be in the future. this was not a bill clinton who wagged his finger. this is someone whose public and political persona was someone who was a little bit naughty. even in that 2003 campaign, you know, we saw that. >> right. candy, you were there. you covered the campaign at the time of those multiple groping allegations. a, does this surprise you? and does it surprise you that it was kept secret for so long time? >> reporter: well, it doesn't, for reasons just talked about. if you have people vested in keeping quiet, then they keep it quiet. so if you have a woman married to someone else, who is having his baby, she apparently was getting child support all of this time, perhaps there was an accountant involved somewhere along the line. but he also has a vested interest in staying quiet. there's a difference between the aggrieved women that "the l.a. times" reported in great deal, like five, six days, less than a week before the recall vote in california. and he had started a huge tour that day that we were on with lots of hollywood and stopping in several cities. and this story just came up that morning on the front page of "the times," and there was a story after that, as well. like 20 women or something and it was disgusting behavior. and he said no, he didn't do it. then he said, well, you know, it's hollywood and it's gyms and so i apologize to people who were offended. but the difference between those women and the mother of this child is that they were aggrieved and angry, and she obviously didn't even want to talk as late as yesterday. so, you know, again, it's not surprising. people don't want to talk, it's hard to find out. >> do we know how maria shriver is doing? >> reporter: i've been in touch with somebody who is close to her who said this is not adrift. leaving him was an act of an employered woman who knows what she wanted. and the bottom line there is look, this woman didn't stand by her man, but as a caveat, once this latest revelation happened and only after he left the governor's office. you know, there's been a lot of talk about her lately, because once she announced the split, there was a youtube video that came up where she talked about transition and the people close to her say, this is who she is, she's planning to pursue a journalism activism career, where she opens up and talks about raw emotions like this and this is what we should expect from her. there is a degree of shock that the topic is now maria shriver. so less than 24 hours after we find out about this shocking behavior by arnold schwarzenegger, there's so much focus on when did his wife know, rather than saying what he did was disgusting. he is to blame. >> joe, the vice chairman of the california democratic party is calling for an investigation into whether or not schwarzenegger used money from the campaign to silence women is. there something there? >> there's no particular reason to believe it, and this is a state with not a lot of money and has some pretty serious problems, probably doesn't want to spend a lot of time investigating what a former governor may or may not have done. there have been -- schwarzenegger is one of these people who is always attracted all kinds of stories and rumors. covering him was frustrating, because you would get two calls in an hour. one telling you about the strange things someone had seen him do in washington, d.c. and the next about the strange things someone seen him do across the street in sacramento. he couldn't have been in both places at the same time. so sort of a chase for all the familiars of this is unlikely, you know, unlikely to happen and and also, we know -- >> do we know how the story came out now. the woman involved didn't have a reason to bring it up and as latest yesterday i guess was telling one story to "the l.a. times," do we know how it got revealed? >> i don't know. >> okay. jessica, do you know? >> reporter: well, the read i'm getting is that they had a tip. "the times" knew something and was pushing it and schwarzenegger came out with a statement of his own. while the housekeeper didn't want to speak, schwarzenegger came clean and that opened this all up. >> jessica, candy, appreciate your time. joe, thank you. let us know what you think on facebook or twitter @ anderson cooper. up next, politics, power and fame, why so often it's lijed to infidelity. dr. drew weighs in. does the power lead to this behavior or something else? is the drive that propels some men to seek fame and power, does that lead them to cheat? we'll talk to him. later, breaking news. the man own the right now believed to be bin laden's successor. we'll tell you who he is and whether the new acting boss could be as dangerous or more dangerous as the old one. first, let's check in with isha sesay. what are you following? >> late word today from the battle in libya. an update for the fighting in misurata. what rebels are up against and reports of an attack on a nato warship. that and more ahead on "360." that's a coffee and two pills. the afternoon tour begins with more pain and more pills. the evening guests arrive. back to sore knees. back to more pills. the day is done but hang on... her doctor recommended aleve. just 2 pills can keep arthritis pain away all day with fewer pills than tylenol. this is lara who chose 2 aleve and fewer pills for a day free of pain. and get the all day pain relief of aleve in liquid gels. and fewer pills for a day free of pain. naomi pryce: i am. i'm in the name your own price division. i find empty hotel rooms and help people save - >> - up to 60% off. i am familiar. your name? > naomi pryce. >> what other "negotiating" skills do you have? > i'm a fifth-degree black belt. >> as am i. > i'm fluent in 37 languages. >> (indistinct clicking) > and i'm a master of disguise >> as am i. > as am i. >> as am i. > as am i. >> well played naomi pryce. breaking news tonight. new details that arnold schwarzenegger fathered a child out of wedlock. "the new york times" reporting tonight the boy is is about 14-year-old. we've seen a lot of politicians caught cheating and lying about it, but arnold schwarzenegger's deception of his own family over the course of many years is pretty surprising. dr. drew pensky believes it's not the power and fame that leads men to cheat but the thing that drives some men to become famous or powerful is an impulse which also drives them to cheat sometimes. we'll explain that in a minute. but first, tom foreman and some of the other politicians we've seen who have done this, as well. >> reporter: even in the midst of this sex scandal, the former california governor has plenty of company. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> reporter: ever since president clinton was caught fooling around, cameras everywhere, and the public appetite for dirt have outed dozens of public figures for indiscretions. among republicans, such scandals have had particular impact. now presidential contender newt gingrich led the charge against clinton, but twice had affairs of his own. senators david vitter and then senator john ensign likewise have defended viv family values but he was linked to prostitutes. and when the governor of south carolina, mark sanford, was found with his mistress, not on the appalachian trail -- >> i've been unfaithful to my wife. >> i frankly didn't know where he was. >> reporter: and it's not as if republicans have cornered the market on indiscretion. >> because i did not want the public to know what i had done. very simple. >> reporter: john edwards talked to "nightline" about his affair with rielle hunter. she claimed they had a love child, something he at first denied. >> you flat out denied having a relationsh with rielle hunter. did you give me a truthful answer then? >> yes. >> reporter: he later came clean and his wife, elizabeth, now deceased, left him and took their kids with her. eliot spitzer paid for escorts. former new jersey governor jim mcgreevey cheated with another man. but it's not just politics. in sports, brett favre and ben ross less berger were accused of but never charged with misconduct. tiger woods went into the rough over extramarital playing partners. >> i was unfaithful. i had affairs. >> reporter: and in entertainment, scandals have enveloped david letterman, george michael, and jesse james just to name a few. so schwarzenegger can take consolation knowing he's not alone. but then when you think about it, that was the whole problem. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> that's the what. for a closer look at the why, i spoke with dr. drew pensky. dr. drew, i've read some psychologists who say men with great power and status are more prone to affairs than the average person. is that really true? >> i think it probably is true, anderson, but it doesn't mean it's okay, and it doesn't mean the high profile or power status necessarily causes this. in fact, the research that i've done on celebrities and people in positions of power show something quite different. what it shows is the kind of person that strives to get themselves in those positions may have certain character liabilities that make them the kind of person prone to these transgressions. >> what's the correlation, the drive to achieve something and the impulse or whatever to cheat or to do stuff that's high risk? >> it's a topic we have talked about over the years, it's narcissism. if need to get pumped up from the environment to feel okay about yourself, so you have to keep getting positions of power to feel okay when you don't feel so good on the inside and narcissism has this liability of failure, which is people with narcissism don't perceive the consequences of their actions. particularly in those moment where is they have a powerful impulse, it's hard to predict the effects it's going to have on other people. >> that drive can apply to everybody who has a tv show. not everybody on tv acts out in this way, though. >> that's absolutely correct. the difference is that liability. my point is, and the part i find most disturbing is the public will rather be dismissive and say oh, guess what, somebody in a position of authority, some male who makes a lot of money is sacramentoing out sexually. yeah, we get that. but does it make it okay? it is not okay for many reasons. it says something deep about their personality functioning and value system. people they love are shattered by this, and we've heard so much of this these days. it's almost becoming normal and that background noise effects our kids. this is the warning i want to keep putting out. they need to discuss this with their children, this behavior is not okay. if they want to behave like this, they shouldn't take a vow and they should do all this before they get married or not get married. >> what i don't understand, though, i understand a famous person doing this, look, the behavior of somebody like charlie sheen. but somebody who is running for office, whose entire livelihood depends on being seen as being honest and making promises with the voters, to do this while you're running for office, we've seen it with john edwards, when eliot spitzer was governor, he had the problem that he had. why would somebody in political life, of all places, when you're under that microscope, do this? >> it boggles the mind, doesn't it, anderson? i would have two answers. one, is sometimes it's sexual addiction. just like with any other addiction, they're in denial, they don't really perceive the consequences of their actions. but more often than not, it is a sense of entitlement, of being special, of sort of being entitled to this sort of thing and some of the reasons they're in the position they're in makes them feel entitled. the fact is, they're just not. for those of us not to dismiss it, further enhances their sense of entitlement. >> is there a sense of -- does e danger of it, does the forbiddenness of it add to the appeal of it or the attraction of it for some of these people? >> for some of my patients, it is the intensity. with sex and love addicts, if you remember the south carolina governor that had the woman down in south america, that was classic love addiction. it's the intensity of the experience more off than not. >> you call it love addiction. isn't that just being in love? >> no, this is -- think about how wild that was. he never met her before, he developed this fantasy about who they were together. if you read about love addiction, that's a classic case. >> we got a question from a viewer in michigan. why do smart, successful women put up with it? which is obviously a good point. >> the fact is, when i was talking about it on my show today, the women that put it with up who was the spouse that got cheated upon and how about the women who do the cheating. we need to hold them accountable, as well. they often play a strong role in this dance we call infidelity. but the women that stand by the men, we should not be critical of them. in my word, i deal with quite a bit with sexual addiction. a significant majority of the partners with the sex addict will stay with that person and in treatment. that relationship can be restored. the situation with the schwarzeneggers, i would wish and hope they would stay together and get treatment and look to restitution of their relationship and their marriage. the problem here in their case, though, it sounds like this has been going on for some time and things have just hit their last straw. >> dr. drew, appreciate it. >> thanks, anderson. coming up, more breaking news. will the man on the right be the new leader of al qaeda? that's the word we're getting. he's been chosen caretaker leader of al qaeda. what we know about him, next. later, the head of the international monetary fund on suicide watch at new york jail. new details about how his lawyers are trying to get him out from behind bars. details ahead. building up our wireless network all across america. we're adding new cell sites... increasing network capacity, and investing billions of dollars to improve your wireless network experience. from a single phone call to the most advanced data download, we're covering more people in more places than ever before in an effort to give you the best network possible. at&t. rethink possible. breaking news tonight on al qaeda. al qaeda has appointed an acting leader following the death of osama bin laden. he's an egyptian named sail al adell, who has long played a prominent role in al qaeda. more details from fran townsend, a member of the homeland security and cia external advisory committees. and in washington, chris lawrence, who has new details on the raid that killed osama bin laden. fran, let's start with you. this guy appointed interim leader of al qaeda. what do we know about him? >> he's a well established senior person within the ranks of al qaeda. he goes back to pre9/11 being with bin laden in afghanistan. he was a trainer in training camps in afghanistan and somalia. he's indieted here in new york for the embassy bombings in africa in 1998. and he probably had knowledge of the "cole" bombing in 2000 in yemen. he goes back to the egyptian islamic jihad, responsible for the assassination of sadat. >> did he end up in prison with al zawahri? >> i don't know if they were in jail together. they were part of the same organization. it's likely they served in jail together. but i don't know for certain, anderson. so this is a guy who has spent a good deal of time, after americans started bombing in afghanistan, he fled to iran, with two of bin laden's sons. he was there with his wife and family for a number of years. it wasn't until the last year and a half or so that he got out of iran where he was held in sort of house arrest and went back to pakistan. so he's been a member of the military council. and he's got a lot of sort of military experience. >> is it still a possibility that al zawahri might have assumed the reigns of al qaeda? >> absolutely. members of al qaeda would swear allegiance to bin laden himself personally. so the new leader will have to have those senior members of the ruling council, and other members, swear allegiance to him. the question is, he doesn't have bin laden's charisma. he's known to be a difficult perp at. this allows him to shore up his political base inside al qaeda. >> chris, i want to turn to these new details you were getting about the raid that killed bin laden. what new details do you have? >> reporter: we have now learned that for every one of the about two dozen s.e.a.l.s that assaulted that compound, there was another s.e.a.l. close by as backup. remember when we heard that president obama had to update the plan because he wanted the s.e.a.l.s to be able to fight their way out of that compound, if necessary. now we know how many backups there were. we also know that the helos, both of those blackhawks were never meant to touch the ground. one was supposed to fast rope some s.e.a.l.s in the compound, but because they were so concerned about pakistan finding out about this mission, they used these stealth helicopters. one of them ran in trouble and clipped the edge of the wall. that's when they had to scramble the plan. originally, neither was supposed to touch ground, it was only supposed to take two minutes to get the s.e.a.l.s on the ground. they counting on the fact that because it's so close to a pakistan military base, people would think it was just the normal comings and goings of pakistani helicopters. there were also a dozen children without this compound and it took about 15 minutes to get to bin laden. the rest of the time spent trying to blow up that downed helicopter. >> there's also evidence to suggest that bin laden was planning attacks on the united states, right? >> reporter: exactly. that he was not only in the loop but he was actively trying to plan attack. one of them shows osama bin laden was in communication with the al qaeda group based in yemen. that's important, because it's that group that has planned many attacks recently on the united states. so think back to the failed attack on times square, that bomb last year. think of the plans to put explosives in printer cartridges on supply planes bound for the u.s. all of that was planned in yemen. now we know that osama bin laden was in contact with that group. what they're now trying to do is pinpoint where he was actually in contact with the group's leader. and when you look at some of the attacks planned for europe, osama bin laden's involvement seems to go even further. a u.s. official was telling us he was not only away and supportive of some of those attacks but "he was trying to motivate his operatives in europe. he was literally pushing them to try to attack americans in europe, anderson. >> interesting stuff. chris lawrence, appreciate the details. thanks, fran. just ahead, dominic strauss-kahn, head of the imf, a guy who was the likely the next president of france, on suicide watch tonight in new york. we'll have the latest on the sexual assault allegations against him. let's check in first with isha. >> levies along the mississippi river appear to be holding but water diverted to spare new orleans is still rising. here's what it looks like in morgan city, louisiana. lots of water where it's not supposed to be. john king saw it firsthand. >> reporter: this water is not supposed to be here. right now, up to my chest. if i walk out here, it drops off pretty quickly. as we go down this way. if you look at this deck, that's where the river is supposed to begin right there. and all of this land on this side would be dry. >> officials say flooding has forced more than 4,000 people in louisiana and 5,000 in mississippi from their homes. in libya, seven people were reported killed in fighting in misurata with dozens wounded. meantime, nato denied a state television report that libyan armed forces struck a nato warship during a shelling exchange. state police in maine are trying to identify the body of a young boy found near the maine-new hampshire border over the weekend. they said they were exploring a possible military connection and released a photograph of the boy's shoes, black sneakers with pictures of a character from the film "cars." and britain's queen elizabeth ii laid a wreath in dublin's garden of remembrance. she's the first british monarch to visit since 1921. >> i had no idea. that's amazing. >> it is amazing and touching scenes today in the garden of remembrance. >> isha, thanks. a quick program note on a story we've been following. he she attracted worldwide attention. she's now living free in exile and talked to cnn about what it's like to have left libya, to have escaped and what she feels. that's form on "360." nic robertson's full interview with her. here's a preview. >> translator: i was telling myself to defy them. these animals cannot sleep without punishment. i must speak out no matter how much people will talk about me and would blame me and ask how could a libyan woman and a muslim go on the media and say this. all this did not matter to me. >> we'll have nic's full interview tomorrow on "360." still ahead, new details about the woman allegedly attacked by dominic strauss-kahn, the head of the international monetary fund. plus, what he's facing inside new york's jail tonight. he's on suicide watch awaiting his next court date. more details, ahead. ♪ ♪ membership rewards points from american express. they're a social currency with endless possibilities. like every single american airlines flight. orbitz doesn't have them. but you'll find all 3,400 of them at aa.com. every day. rite gers rite ge international monetary fund says its chief, dominic strauss-kahn, does not have diplomatic immunity in the sexual assault case against him in america. and tonight, growing pressure on him to step down from the imf. the former french finance minister is accused of sexually assaulting and trying to rape a maid in his new york hotel suite over the weekend. he was denied bail and being held in jail on reitgers island. i talked earlier. what is the latest that we know about the alleged victim? >> we know that she has a 15-year-old daughter. she's been working at the hotel for about 2 1/2 years. she was there legally. the lawyer describes her as a woman who is dignified, intelligent, somebody who got along well with supervisors and her co-workers. the lawyer also says when i asked, was this consensual, could this have been consensual as the defense attorneys seem to suggest, saying this was not a forced encounter, the lawyers said no, she's afraid to go home, afraid to go to work and her future is uncertain right now, anderson. >> and she comes from west africa, correct, and she has a good employment record, correct? >> exactly, exactly. >> sonny, yesterday the defense seemed to suggest that the assault maybe never happened, he had an alibi. in court they imply that the sex did occur but that it was consensual. what do you make of that morphing of the defense strategy? >> this is a very fluid situation. in a case like this, anderson, where only two people were in the room, there are no other witnesses, the only two defenses is one, it's consensual, or two there's an alibi and it never happened. so it's not unusual for the defense strategy to be evolving and changing. >> deb, do we know anything about forensic evidence? in a case where there's just two people, that would believe important. do we know if there is forensic evidence? >> there is forensic evidence. one prosecutor said who's interesting is while the presence of semen, it doesn't show that there was a forced encounter of any kind. they will be presented to a grand jury. we're being told that the grand jury is going to be listening to this case and deciding whether to vote by friday as to whether this should go forward, anderson. >> what do we now know about this young journalist in france who accused dominic strauss-kahn of assaulting her, is she pressing charges? >> she's looking into the charges. she's been quoted as saying she should have gone forward with this at the time it occurred. the big question now, is everybody is watching to see whether other women step forward to say something happened to them. when you have something high profile like this, there's always a possibility it could trigger a waterfall almost, anderson. >> sonny, what's the next step in terms of the legal process? >> as deb mentioned, i'm hearing also that the grand jury has been convened and is determining whether or not they will indict him. may 20th is the control date, and that mean it is he has been indicted, the charges will be read and he will enter a plea of guilty or not guilty. if he has not been indicted, they will set another date. there's no question that this friday the defense will reapply for bail. they're going to try to come up with a situation that is palletable for the prosecution and the court so that he is no longer being held at reitgers island. that may include a $1 million to $2 million bail, or an ankle monitoring bracelet. some sort of situation that gets him out of reitgers. that is going to be their top priority. >> deb, he has a daughter i think who lives in new york. so it could be that he has to stay in the city. would that be a possibility? >> absolutely. he could stay in the city. right now we are told -- obviously he's at reitgers. he did that one visitor. we are also told, anderson, that he was put on a suicide watch. doesn't mean he's suicidal, but because he's such high profile, he's used to meeting with prime ministers and presidents. he's isolated now by himself. so as a precaution, they have put him on suicide watch and checking on him about every 15 minutes. >> it's unbelievable. thank you very much. as sonny said, getting dominic strauss-kahn out of jail would be a top priority for his lawyers on friday. this is a man "forbes" magazine named one of the most powerful people. to say his life has changed dramatically barely begins to capture it. we have new details about what he's facing right now at reitgers. >> reporter: inside these walls, dominic strauss-kahn now spends his day in an 11 x 13 foot cell. most share barracks with about 50 beds in them. because of his high profile, he's separated from other inmates. it's a far cry from the luxury suite at new york's hotel where he stayed before his arrest, with some rooms going as much as $3,000. while guests there were offered a breakfast choice of a five-ounce steak with eggs, with a morning cocktail such as a $20 glass of champagne, breakfast at reitgers consists of one apple and banana, a box of mini cheat cereal, milk, coffee or tea. he will be eating alone and won't have contact with other prisoners who number 13,000 to 14,000 on any given day. the attorney says things have changed since the early '90s. >> its name is synonymous in popular culture with brutality, with corruption, with jailbreaks, with people banging cups on bars. none of which is true anymore. but it still exercises a very powerful hold on the imagination. >> reporter: most of the inmates there are waiting to go on trail and can range from drug dealers to murderers. mark david chapman, who killed john lennon, was once held there. so was david burkewitz. dominic strauss-kahn is able to leave his jail cell and can go outside for an hour a day. but will be escorted by a corrections officer. inside, he's allowed to periodically walk around his housing area corridor where he can watch tv. >> everything is difficult. and the most difficult thing i think for any particular person is to deal with the dehumanization, because you're just one of 13,000 people, and to deal with being cut off from the outside world. >> in his first day at likers, he had one visitor. inmates can have up to three people per visit, not including attorneys who are given access to their clients any given day. mary snow, cnn, this morning. still ahead, bernie madoff is serving more than 100 years, but his assets are up on the auction block. and don't you hate it when people talk loudly on their cell phones in a restaurant or on a plane? 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>> i mean, a glass now and then. but i know nothing about wine. i get so nervous in the restaurant when you're supposed to know and i have no idea. >> that's all right. >> i leave it up to the waiter. >> there's a fine wine back here. great starting price. >> how much is that? >> $3,200. but you get six bottles for that, they tell me. >> six bottles for $3,000? >> look, don't shoot the messenger. i'm only imparting the information to you. >> i'm going to hang out with kathy griffin's mom and drink it by the box. time now for the "ridicu-list." tonight, we're adding a woman named la'keshia beard. according to authorities, she talked loudly on her cell phone while on an amtrak train for 16 hours. police say cell phone lady started talking in oakland, california, and did not stop until she was escorted off said train in salem, oregon, 16 hours later. what can someone possibly talk about for 16 hours? even if i had been held captive 20 years and was seeing my family for the first time, i could fill maybe an hour or two, but 16? she was taken off the train and charged with disorderly contact. that's right, she got charged, just like her cell phone. and cell phone lady was riding in one of amtrak's designated quiet cars. sure, if you're going to be yapping, who wants to be surrounded by others? when other passengers complained to cell phone lady, she got into a verbal altercation and kept talking. katu wanted to interview her after she got arrested. she said she didn't feel well and i'm guessing she had a sore throat but she did talk to a reporter briefly on the phone and said "she felt disrespected by the entire incident." she felt disrespected. maybe she's innocent, i don't know. but am i the only one who has no sympathy for people who talk on their cell phones around other people loudly? how many times have you been on a plane or a bus or a train or a restaurant or a line or a taxi or just about anywhere these days and someone is yammering into their phone loudly and completely oblivious to those around them. i've heard lawyers talking about their clients. i've heard women revealing details about the date they had the night before. the idea of being trapped on a train for 16 hours with someone talking on a cell phone, to me it's much more creepy than anything alfred hitchcock could imagine. if there were cell phones in his day, "strangers on a train" would have been a much different movie. in 16 hours, you could watch the movie "throw momma from the train" 10.9 times in a row. you wouldn't be able to pay any attention to it, because cell phone lady would have been talking the whole way through it. but still, in 16 hours, you could watch 32 episodes of "soul train." or listen to the clash song "train in vein" approximately 320 times back-to-back. all of which i would rather do than listen to someone talking on their cell phone for 16 hours. it would almost be -- the way i see it, there are only a few viable reasons. please, people, stay off the phone when you're in public. it's rude and a sure fire way to get you on the "ridicu-list." a lot more ahead at the top of the hour. we'll be right back with the breaking news. 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"the new york times" reporting tonight the child is a boy. he's now 14 and his mother, again, according to "the times," was pregnant with him at the same time as maria shriver was pregnant with their youngest child. the boy was an occasional presence at the schwarzenegger home and there was rumors about schwarzenegger for years, stories of infidelity during his first campaign for governor he was accused of groping women. this is how he responded back then. >> i always say that wherever there's smoke, there's fire. that is true. and i want to say to you, yes, i have behaved badly sometimes. >> well, two days after he made that statement, maria shriver launched a public campaign supporting her husband in the crucial final days of the campaign. >> so in the end, in these final 48, 72 hours, you can make a decision. you can listen to all the negativity and you can listen to people who have never met arnold or who met him for five seconds 30 years ago or you can listen to me. >> well, that was in october nearly eight years ago. what she apparently did not know then, and that we just learned today is that the child her husband fathered would have already been a toddler at the time or older if "the new york times" version is correct. two years before that, schwarzenegger was railing against single parenthood saying, i think the situation with single parenting is disastrous. he was talking mainly but not exclusively about poor inner city parents and kids. he also said regardless of wealth and prarntal resources, single parenting is bad for kids. we'll talk about that tonight as well as why women stick with men despite warning signs. first, how we got here, what we know. like a bomb in the state of california in this morning's los angeles times, schwarzenegger fathered a child with long-time member of the household staff. the woman who had the affair and the child with schwarzenegger had worked for his family for about a decade at the time of the affair and only recently retired. a source told cnn that schwarzenegger financially supported the child since birth. when the l.atimes began asking questions, the mother said that another man, her husband at the time, was the father. she also said she was leaving her long-time job with the family because "i wanted to achieve my 20 years and i asked to retire." the staffer's cover story about the father fell apart when schwarzenegger claimed paternity. the woman who has not been identified has had no further comment. allegations of affairs occasionally surfaced throughout his eight years in office, but none seem to threaten his marriage with maria shriver. their married in 1986, and as a couple have four children. schwarzenegger told his wife about the child after leaving office in january and since then he and shriver have effectively lived separate lives according to "the l.a. times." he's been trying to revive his film career. interested in making sequels to "the terminator" and he's globe trotted to brazil with james cameron, to france, and to washington to participate in the conference on immigration with president obama. trips he took all reportedly without his wife. three weeks ago, the couple marked a milestone. 25 years of marriage. normally a call for celebration. but then last monday, they announced they were amicably separating. she was moving out of their brentwood home and they released a statement that read in part -- this has been a time of great personal and professional transition for each of us. after a great deal of thought, reflection, discussion and prayer, we came to this decision together. at this time, we're living apart while we work on the future of our relationship. a day after that announcement on tuesday, schwarzenegger seemed to suggest they were trying to work through issues that led to the separation. >> we both love each other very much. we're very fortunate that we have four extraordinary children and we're taking one day at a time. >> "the l.a. times" reports shriver was less optimistic. she had been unhappy in the marriage for years and was waiting for her husband's term to end before splitting. today's bombshell has only deepened the divide between the couple. shriver called the latest news heartbreaking and the couple's children also are speaking out on twitter. out of all the doubts and questions schwarzenegger's family must have had, one of the biggest is on the mind of a nation, how could he keep this secret for so long? joining us now is former l.a. times writer joe matthews, author of "the people's machine, swz swz and the rise of the blockbuster democracy." also joining us, jessica yellin and candy crowley. jessica, obviously long standing rumors of womanizing are one thing. a secret out of wedlock child is something else entirely. how big a surprise was this revelation? you covered him for a long time. >> reporter: i've spoken to a lot of insiders today who, to a person say, not that surprised. i'm sort of shocked by that. they say the fact that it was a housekeeper and the fact that there's a child is startling, and was well covered up. but it was a general understanding he had a problem with womanizing and that it was sort of baked into his image and what people know about him, especially in his community in l.a. there are even people saying this is not going to hurt his movie career going forward. men behaving badly seem to do okay. it will hurt any political aspirations. but he left office with an approval rating in the mid 20s. so any further aspirations would have been pretty slim any way. >> joe, you covered schwarzenegger for a long time. does it surprise you, and how did he manage to keep this under wraps so long? >> you had a situation where the woman was married at the time. he was married. they both had a reason not to tell anyone. i don't think it's terribly surprising this was a secret for a long time. politicians, while we reporters love to think that we know all, we don't. we often know very little. and this was the case here. i think in this particular case, i was surprised by the announcement of a separation. these are two people who are very invested in this marriage. not just for all the personal reasons but because the narrative of the marriage, this marriage between two very different people who despite their struggles and problems and differences, managed to make it work. that's something they both sold and prospered from in their professional lives. so they have a lot of reasons not to get divorced, not to split. but the news that he was involved with a woman who was not his wife was not surprising. this is not someone who has run as a public moralist or promised in politics to be faithful to his wife or was faithful in the past or would be in the future. this was not a bill clinton who wagged his finger. this is someone whose public and political persona was someone who was a little bit naughty. even in that 2003 campaign, you know, we saw that. >> right. candy, you were there. you covered the campaign at the time of those multiple groping allegations. a, does this surprise you? and does it surprise you that it was kept secret for so long time? >> reporter: well, it doesn't, and i think for reasons just talked about. if you have people vested in keeping quiet, then they keep it quiet. so if you have a woman married to someone else, who is having his baby, she apparently was getting child support all of this time, perhaps there was an accountant involved somewhere along the line. but he also has a vested interest in staying quiet. there's a difference between the aggrieved women that "the l.a. times" reported in great detail. like five, six days, less than a week before the recall vote in california. and he had started a huge tour that day that we were on with lots of hollywood and stopping in several cities. and this story just came up that morning on the front page of "the times," and there was a story after that, as well. like 20 women or something and it was pretty disgusting behavior. and he said no, he didn't do it. then he said, well, you know, it's hollywood and it's gyms and i was sort of baudy. so i apologize if people were offended. but the difference between those women and the mother of this child is that they were aggrieved and angry, and she obviously didn't even want to talk as late as yesterday. so, you know, again, it's not surprising. people don't want to talk, it's hard to find out. >> do we know how maria shriver is doing? >> reporter: i've been in touch with somebody who is close to her who said this is not adrift. that this was an act -- leaving him was an act of an empowered woman who knows what she wants and the kind of life she wants to lead. and the bottom line there is look, this woman didn't stand by her man, but as a caveat, once this latest revelation happened and only after he left the governor's office. >> jessica, candy, appreciate your time. joe matthews, as well. let us know what you think on facebook or twitter @ anderson cooper. up next, politics, power and fame, why so often it's linked to infidelity. dr. drew pensky weighs in. does the power lead to this behavior or is it the drive that propels some men to seek fame and power that same drive does that lead them to cheat? and later, breaking news. the man on the right now believed to be bin laden's successor. we'll tell you who he is and whether the new acting boss could be as dangerous or more dangerous as the old one. you love the aroma of beef tenderloin, don't you? 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"the new york times" reporting tonight the boy is about 14 years old. several friends telling the paper the mother was working around the house while pregnant at the same time that maria shriver was pregnant with her own youngest. we've seen a lot of politicians caught cheating and lying about it, but arnold schwarzenegger's deception of his own family over the course of many years is pretty surprising. dr. drew pensky believes it's not the power and fame that leads some men to cheat as a lot of people think, but the thing that drives some men to become famous or powerful is an impulse which also drives them to cheat sometimes. he'll explain that in a minute. but first, tom foreman and some of the other politicians we've seen who have done this, as well. >> reporter: even in the midst of this sex scandal, the former california governor has plenty of company. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> reporter: ever since president clinton was caught fooling around 13 years ago, internet rumors, cameras everywhere, and the public appetite for dirt have outed dozens of public figures for indiscretions. among republicans, such scandals have had particular impact. former house speaker, now presidential contender newt gingrich led the charge against clinton, but twice had affairs of his own. senators david vitter and then senator john ensign likewise have defended conservative family values but vitter was linked to prostitutes and ensign cheated on his wife. and when the governor of south carolina, mark sanford, was found with his mistress, not on the appalachian trail -- >> i've been unfaithful to my wife. >> the wife suggested he take a hike. >> i frankly didn't know where he was. >> reporter: and it's not as if republicans have cornered the market on indiscretion. >> because i did not want the public to know what i had done. very simple. >> reporter: john edwards talked to "nightline" about his affair with this woman, rielle hunter. she claimed they had a love child, something he at first denied. >> when you were running for president, you flat out defined having a relationship with rielle hunter, were you telling me the truth then? >> yes. >> reporter: he later came clean and his wife, elizabeth, now deceased, left him and took their kids with her. other democrats, former new york governor, now cnn host, eliot spitzer paid for escorts. former new jersey governor jim mcgreevey cheated with another man. but it's not just politics. in sports, brett favre and ben roethlisberger were accused of but never charged with misconduct. tiger woods went into the rough over extramarital playing partners. >> i was unfaithful. i had affairs. >> reporter: and in entertainment, scandals have enveloped david letterman, hue grant, george michael and jesse james just to name a few. so the former california governor can take consolation knowing as a politician, an athlete, and an entertainer, he is not alone. but then when you think about it, that was the whole problem. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> that's the what. for a closer look at the why, i spoke with dr. drew pensky. dr. drew, i've read some psychologists who say men with great power and status are more prone to affairs than the average person. is that really true? >> i think it probably is true, anderson, but it doesn't mean it's okay, and it doesn't mean the high profile or power status necessarily causes this. in fact, the research that i've done on celebrities and people in positions of power show something quite different. what it shows is the kind of person that strives to get themselves in those positions may have certain character liabilities that make them the kind of person prone to these transgressions. >> what's the correlation, the drive to achieve something and the impulse or whatever to cheat or to do stuff that's high risk? >> it's a topic we have talked about over the years, it's narcissism. it's the need to get pumped up from the environment to feel okay about yourself, so you have to keep getting positions of power to feel okay when you don't feel so good on the inside. narcissism has this liability of failure, which is people with narcissism don't perceive the consequences of their actions. because they don't really perceive other people's feelings very well. particularly in those moments where they have a powerful impulse, it's hard to predict the effects it's going to have on other people. >> that drive can apply to everybody who has a tv show. not everybody on tv acts out in this way, though. >> that's absolutely correct. the difference is that liability. my point is, and the part i find most disturbing is the public at large will rather be dismissive and say oh, guess what, somebody in a position of authority, some male who makes a lot of money is acting out sexually. yeah, we get that. but does it make it okay? it is not okay for many reasons. it says something deep about their personality functioning and value system. this has such a rippling effect on people around them. people they love are shattered by this, and we've heard so much of this these days. it's almost becoming normal and that background noise affects our kids. this is the warning i want to keep putting out. they need to discuss this with their children, this behavior is not okay. if they want to behave like this, they shouldn't take a vow and they should do all this before they get married or not get married. >> what i don't understand, though, i understand a famous person doing this, look, the behavior of somebody like charlie sheen. but somebody who is running for office, whose entire livelihood depends on being seen as being honest and making promises with the voters, to do this while you're running for office, we've seen it with john edwards, when eliot spitzer was governor, he had the problem that he had. why would somebody in political life, of all places, when you're under that microscope, do this? >> it boggles the mind, doesn't it, anderson? i would have two answers. one, is sometimes it's sexual addiction. sometimes people, just like with any other addiction, they're in denial. they don't really perceive the consequences of their actions. but more often than not, it is a sense of entitlement, of being special, of sort of being entitled to this sort of thing and some of the reasons they're in the position they're in makes them feel entitled. the fact is, they're just not. for those of us not to dismiss it, further enhances their sense of entitlement. >> is there a sense of -- does the danger of it, does the forbiddenness of it add to the appeal of it or the attraction of it for some of these people? >> for some of my patients, it is the intensity. with sex and love addicts, if you remember the south carolina governor that had the woman down in south america, that was classic love addiction. and yes, it's the intensity of the experience more off than not. >> you call it love addiction. isn't that just being in love? >> no, this is -- think about how wild that was. he had never met her before, he developed this wild sort of fantasy about who they were together. that's sort of -- if you read about love addiction, that's a pretty classic case of that. >> we got a question from a viewer in michigan. why do smart, successful women put up with it? which is obviously a good point. we've seen this time and again. >> the fact is, when i was talking about it on my show today, the women that put it with up who was the spouse that got cheated upon and how about the women who do the cheating. we need to hold them accountable, as well. they often play a strong role in this dance we call infidelity. but i will tell you this, that the women that stand by the men, we should not be critical of them. in my word, i deal with quite a bit with sexual addiction. a significant majority of the partners with the sex addict will stay with that person and in treatment. that relationship can be restored. the situation with the schwarzeneggers, such a sad story. i would wish and hope they would stay together and get treatment and look to restitution of their relationship and their marriage. the problem here in their case, though, it sounds like this has been going on for some time and things have just hit their last straw. >> dr. drew, appreciate it. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. coming up, more breaking news. will the man on the right be the new leader of al qaeda? 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[ male announcer ] ask your doctor about cymbalta. imagine you, with less pain. cymbalta can help. go to cymbalta.com to learn about a free trial offer. breaking news tonight on al qaeda. al qaeda has appointed an acting leader following the death of osama bin laden. he's an egyptian named saif al adel, who has long played a prominent role in al qaeda. more details from fran townsend, a member of the homeland security and cia external advisory committees. and in washington, chris lawrence, who has new details on the raid that killed osama bin laden. fran, let's start with you. this guy appointed interim leader of al qaeda. what do we know about him? >> he's a well established senior person within the ranks of al qaeda. he goes back to pre-9/11 being with bin laden in afghanistan. he was a trainer in training camps in afghanistan and somalia. he was behind -- he's indicted here in new york for his role in planning the east africa embassy bombings in 1998. because he was with bin laden in afghanistan, he probably had knowledge of the "cole" bombing in 2000 in yemen. he goes back to the egyptian islamic jihad, responsible for the assassination of sadat. he's got -- he's -- >> did he end up in prison with al zawahiri? because a lot of people say that's where al zawahri formed a network. >> i don't know if they were in jail together. they were part of the same organization. it's likely they served in jail together. but i don't know for certain, anderson. so this is a guy who has spent a good deal of time, after americans started bombing in afghanistan, he fled to iran, with two of bin laden's sons. he was there with his wife and family for a number of years. it wasn't until the last year and a half or so that he got out of iran where he was held in sort of house arrest and went back to pakistan. so he's been a member of the military council. and he's got a lot of sort of military experience. >> is it still a possibility that al zawahiri might have assumed the reigns of al qaeda? >> absolutely. you know, we talk about bin laden. members of al qaeda would swear allegiance to bin laden himself personally. so the new leader will have to have those senior members of the ruling council, and other members, swear allegiance to him. the question is, he doesn't have bin laden's charisma. he's known to be a difficult personality. this allows him to shore up his political base inside al qaeda. >> chris, i want to turn to these new details you were getting tonight about the raid that killed bin laden. what new details do you have? what have you found out? >> reporter: we have now learned that for every one of the about two dozen s.e.a.l.s that assaulted that compound, there was another s.e.a.l. close by as backup. remember when we heard that president obama had to update the plan because he wanted the s.e.a.l.s to be able to fight their way out of that compound, if necessary. now we know how many backups there were. we also know that the helos, both of those blackhawks were never meant to touch the ground. one was supposed to fast rope some s.e.a.l.s in the compound, the other was going to drop the other s.e.a.l.s on the roof and outside. but because they were so concerned about pakistan finding out about this mission, they used these stealth helicopters. one of them ran in trouble and clipped the edge of the wall. that's when they had to scramble the plan. originally, neither was supposed to touch ground, it was only supposed to take two minutes to get the s.e.a.l.s on the ground. they were counting on the fact that because it's so close to a pakistan military base, people would just think whatever sounds they heard were just the normal comings and goings of pakistani helicopters. there were also a dozen children all throughout this compound and it only took about 15 minutes to get to bin laden. the rest of the time spent trying to blow up that downed helicopter. >> chris lawrence, appreciate the details. thanks, fran. just ahead, dominic strauss-kahn head of the imf, a guy who people said was the next likely president of france, on suicide watch tonight at new york's rikers island jail. still ahead, new details about the woman attacked by dominic strauss-kahn, a man forbes calls one of the world's most powerful people. and what he's facing in jail tonight. he's on suicide watch awaiting his next court date. more details ahead. building up our wireless network all across america. we're adding new cell sites... increasing network capacity, and investing billions of dollars to improve your wireless network experience. from a single phone call to the most advanced data download, we're covering more people in more places than ever before in an effort to give you the best network possible. at&t. rethink possible. pure... and also delicious. like nature valley. granola bars made with crunchy oats and pure honey. nature valley -- 100% natural. 100% delicious. your advertising mail campaign is paying off! business is good! it must be if you're doing all that overnight shipping. that must cost a fortune. it sure does. well, if it doesn't have to get there overnight, you can save a lot with priority mail flat rate envelopes. one flat rate to any state, just $4.95. that's cool and all... but it ain't my money. i seriously do not care... so, you don't care what anyone says, you want to save this company money! that's exactly what i was saying. hmmm... priority mail flat rate envelopes, just $4.95 only from the postal service. a simpler way to ship. down the hill? 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>> exactly, exactly. >> sonny, yesterday the defense seemed to suggest that the assault maybe never happened, he had an alibi. in court they imply that the sex did occur but that it was consensual. what do you make of that morphing of the defense strategy? >> this is a very fluid situation. just as the prosecution is continuing its investigation, so is the defense. in a case like this, anderson, where only two people were in the room, there are no other witnesses to what happened. the only two defenses are, one, it's consensual, or two, there's an alibi and it never happened. so it's not unusual for the defense strategy to be evolving and changing. >> deb, do we know anything about forensic evidence? in a case where there's just two people, that would be incredibly important. do we know if there is forensic evidence? >> there is forensic evidence. one prosecutor said what's interesting is while the presence of semen, it doesn't show that there was a forced encounter of any kind. forensics were sent out, both of the women, but also of dominic strauss-kahn. those have not come back yet, but they will be presented to a grand jury. we're being told that the grand jury is going to be listening to this case and deciding whether to vote by friday as to whether this should go forward, anderson. >> what do we now know about this young journalist in france who accused dominic strauss-kahn of assaulting her, is she considering pressing charges? >> she's connected to a lawyer. she's looking into the charges. she's been quoted as saying she should have gone forward with this at the time it occurred. the big question now, is everybody is watching to see whether other women step forward to say something similar happened to them. when you have something high profile like this, there's always a possibility it could trigger a waterfall almost, anderson. >> sonny, what's the next step in terms of the legal process? >> as deb mentioned, i'm hearing also that the grand jury has been convened and is determining whether or not they will indict him. may 20th is the control date, and that means if he has been indicted, the charges will be read and he will enter a plea of guilty or not guilty. if he has not been indicted, they will set another date. but the bottom line is, there's no question that this friday the defense will reapply for bail. they're going to try to come up with a situation that is palletable for the prosecution and the court so that he is no longer being held at rikers island. that may include a $1 million to $2 million bail, or an ankle monitoring bracelet. some sort of situation that gets him out of rikers. that is going to be their top priority. >> deb, he has a daughter i think who lives in new york. so it could be that he has to stay in the city. would that be a possibility? >> absolutely. he could stay in the city. right now we are told -- obviously he's at rikers. he did have one visitor, but the department of corrections would not say who that was. we are also told, anderson, that he was put on a suicide watch. doesn't mean he's suicidal, but because he's such high profile, this is a guy who is used to meeting with prime ministers and power brokers and presidents. he's isolated now by himself. so as a precaution, they have put him on suicide watch and checking on him about every 15 minutes. >> it's unbelievable. thank you very much. as sonny said, getting dominic strauss-kahn out of jail would be a top priority for his lawyers on friday. this is a man "forbes" magazine named one of the most powerful people. to say his life has changed dramatically in the last 72 hours barely begins to capture it. mary snow has new details about what he's facing right now at rikers. >> reporter: inside these walls, dominic strauss-kahn now spends his day in an 11 x 13 foot cell. most share barracks with about 50 beds in them. because of his high profile, a prison spokesman said he's separated from other inmates. it's a far cry from the luxury suite at new york's hotel where he stayed before his arrest, with some rooms going as much as $3,000. while hotel guests there were offered a breakfast choice of a five-ounce steak with eggs, with a morning cocktail such as a $20 glass of champagne, breakfast at rikers consists of one apple and banana, a box of mini wheat cereal, milk, coffee or tea. he will be eating alone and won't have contact with other prisoners who number 13,000 to 14,000 on any given day. the attorney says things have changed since violence dominated the jail in the early '90s. >> its name is synonymous in popular culture with brutality, with corruption, with jailbreaks, with people banging cups on bars. none of which is true anymore. but it still exercises a very powerful hold on the imagination. >> reporter: most of the inmates there are waiting to go on trail and can range from low level drug dealers to murderers. mark david chapman, who killed john lennon, was once held there. so was david burkowitz. aka the son of sam serial killer. in recent years, rapper lil wayne spent time there on a weapons charge. dominic strauss-kahn is able to leave his jail cell and can go outside for an hour a day. but will be escorted by a corrections officer. inside, he's allowed to periodically walk around his housing area corridor where he can watch tv. >> everything is difficult. and the most difficult thing i think for any particular person is to deal with the dehumanization, because you're just one of 13,000 people, and to deal with being cut off from the outside world. floip his first day at rikers, he had one visitor but declined to say who it was. inmates can have up to three people per visit, not including attorneys who are given access to their clients any given day. mary snow, cnn, this morning. still ahead, bernie madoff is serving more than 100 years, but his assets are up on the auction block. we'll shoel you some of them ahead. and don't you hate it when people talk loudly on their cell phones in a restaurant or on a plane? 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>> i mean, a glass now and then. but i know nothing about wine. i get so nervous in the restaurant when you're supposed to know and i have no idea. >> that's all right. >> i leave it up to the waiter. >> there's a fine wine back here. 1996 wine. great starting price. >> how much is that? >> $3,200. but you get six bottles for that, they tell me. >> six bottles for $3,000? >> look, don't shoot the messenger. i'm only imparting the information to you. >> i'm going to hang out with kathy griffin's mom and drink it by the box. like she does. she's got the right idea. >> tip it. that's what i say. >> exactly. she wrote a book about that. time now for the "ridicu-list." tonight, we're adding a woman named la'keshia beard. but you can just call her the cell phone lady. that's because, according to authorities, she talked loudly on her cell phone while on an amtrak train nonstop for 16 hours. police say cell phone lady started talking in oakland, california, and did not stop until she was escorted off said train in salem, oregon, 16 hours later. what can someone possibly talk about for 16 hours? even if i had been held captive 20 years and was seeing my family for the first time, i could maybe fill an hour, maybe two hours. but 16? she was taken off the train and charged with disorderly contact. that's right, she got charged, just like her cell phone. and the best part of all, she was riding in one of amtrak's designated quiet cars. sure, if you're going to be yapping, who wants to be surrounded by others yapping with all their other yapping? when other passengers complained to cell phone lady, she got into a verbal altercation and kept talking on her phone. news station katu wanted to interview her after she got arrested. she wouldn't go on camera. she said she didn't feel well and i'm guessing she had a sore throat but she did talk to a reporter briefly on the phone and said "she felt disrespected by the entire incident." she felt disrespected. maybe she's innocent, i don't know. but am i the only one who has no sympathy for people who talk on their cell phones around other people loudly? how many times have you been on a plane or a bus or a train or a restaurant or a line or a taxi or just about anywhere these days and someone is yammering into their phone loudly and completely oblivious to those around them? i've heard lawyers talking about their clients. i've heard women revealing details about the date they had the night before. while i and others are forced to listen. the idea of being trapped on a train for 16 hours with someone talking on a cell phone, to me it's much more creepy than anything alfred hitchcock could imagine. if there were cell phones in his day, "strangers on a train" would have been a much different movie. think about that, she was on the phone for 16 hours. in 16 hours, you could watch the movie "throw momma from the train" 10.9 times in a row. you wouldn't be able to pay any attention to it, because cell phone lady would have been talking the whole way through it. but still, in 16 hours, you could watch 32 episodes of "soul train." or listen to the clash song "train in vein" approximately 320 times back-to-back. all of which i would rather do than sit on a train with someone talking loudly into their cell phone for 16 hours. please, people, stay off the phone when you're in public. it's rude and a sure fire way to get you on the "ridicu-list." up next, building up america. see how they keep traffic moving in one city and you could see a lot more of this nationwide. for just $11.99. create your own combination of two of our most tempting selections from favorites to new creations for just $11.99 during the festival of shrimp. ending soon at red lobster. sadly, no. oh. but i did pick up your dry cleaning and had your shoes shined. well, i made you a reservation at the sushi place around the corner. well, in that case, i better get back to these invoices... which i'll do right after making your favorite pancakes. you know what? 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and now stay rewarded with vacation pay. stay two weekend nights and get a $75 prepaid card. good evening, everyone. we begin tonight with the latest on the stunning news about arnold schwarzenegger, one of the most recognizable faces on the planet, a superstar actor and former governor of california. today we learned that schwarzenegger, who once called family the basic foundation of everything, had a child of wedlock and hid that child for years not just from voters, but from his own family, his own wife, his other children. we learned today it was the central reason why schwarzenegger and maria shriver, seen here in better times, announced their separation last week after 25 years of marriage. schwarzenegger today admitted he fathered a child with a member of the household staff. >> he went on to say -- >> later, this statement from his wife -- >> there are additional details tonight. "the new york times" reporting tonight the child is a boy. he's now 14 and his mother, again, according to "the times," was pregnant with him at the same time as maria shriver was pregnant with their youngest child. the boy was an occasional presence at the schwarzenegger home and there was rumors about schwarzenegger for years, stories of infidelity during his first campaign for governor he was accused of groping women. this is how he responded back then. >> i always say that wherever there's smoke, there's fire. that is true. and i want to say to you, yes, i have behaved badly sometimes. >> well, two days after he made that statement, maria shriver launched a public campaign supporting her husband in the crucial final days of the campaign. >> so in the end, in these final 48, 72 hours, you can make a decision. you can listen to all the negativity and you can listen to people who have never met arnold or who met him for five seconds 30 years ago or you can listen to me. >> well, that was in october nearly eight years ago. what she apparently did not know then, and that we just learned today is that the child her husband fathered would have already been a toddler at the time or older if "the new york times" version is correct. two years before that, schwarzenegger was railing against single parenthood saying, i think the situation with single parenting is disastrous. he was talking mainly but not exclusively about poor inner city parents and kids. he also said regardless of wealth and prarntal resources, single parenting is bad for kids. we'll talk about that tonight as well as why women stick with men despite warning signs. first, how we got here, what we know. like a bomb in the state of california in this morning's los angeles times, schwarzenegger fathered a child with long-time member of the household staff. the woman who had the affair and the child with schwarzenegger had worked for his family for about a decade at the time of the affair and only recently retired. a source told cnn that schwarzenegger financially supported the child since birth. when the l.a. times began asking questions, the mother said that another man, her husband at the time, was the father. she also said she was leaving her long-time job with the family because "i wanted to achieve my 20 years and i asked to retire." the staffer's cover story about the father fell apart when schwarzenegger claimed paternity. the woman who has not been identified has had no further comment. allegations of affairs occasionally surfaced throughout his eight years in office, but none seem to threaten his marriage with maria shriver. their married in 1986, and as a couple have four children. schwarzenegger told his wife about the child after leaving office in january and since then he and shriver have effectively lived separate lives according to "the l.a. times." he's been trying to revive his film career. interested in making sequels to "the terminator" and he's globe trotted to brazil with james cameron, to france, and to washington to participate in the conference on immigration with president obama. trips he took all reportedly without his wife. three weeks ago, the couple marked a milestone. 25 years of marriage. normally a call for celebration. but then last monday, they announced they were amicably separating. she was moving out of their brentwood home and they released a statement that read in part -- this has been a time of great personal and professional transition for each of us. after a great deal of thought, reflection, discussion and prayer, we came to this decision together. at this time, we're living apart while we work on the future of our relationship. a day after that announcement on tuesday, schwarzenegger seemed to suggest they were trying to work through issues that led to the separation. >> we both love each other very much. we're very fortunate that we have four extraordinary children and we're taking one day at a time. >> "the l.a. times" reports shriver was less optimistic. she had been unhappy in the marriage for years and was waiting for her husband's term to end before splitting. today's bombshell has only deepened the divide between the couple. shriver called the latest news heartbreaking and the couple's children also are speaking out on twitter. out of all the doubts and questions schwarzenegger's family must have had, one of the biggest is on the mind of a nation, how could he keep this secret for so long? joining us now is former l.a. times writer joe matthews, author of "the people's machine, swz swz and the rise of the blockbuster democracy." also joining us, jessica yellin and candy crowley. jessica, obviously long standing rumors of womanizing are one thing. a secret out of wedlock child is something else entirely. how big a surprise was this revelation? you covered him for a long time. >> reporter: i've spoken to a lot of insiders today who, to a person say, not that surprised. i'm sort of shocked by that. they say the fact that it was a housekeeper and the fact that there's a child is startling, and was well covered up. but it was a general understanding he had a problem with womanizing and that it was sort of baked into his image and what people know about him, especially in his community in l.a. there are even people saying this is not going to hurt his movie career going forward. men behaving badly seem to do okay. it will hurt any political aspirations. but he left office with an approval rating in the mid 20s. so any further aspirations would have been pretty slim any way. >> joe, you covered schwarzenegger for a long time. does it surprise you, and how did he manage to keep this under wraps so long? >> you had a situation where the woman was married at the time. he was married. they both had a reason not to tell anyone. i don't think it's terribly surprising this was a secret for a long time. politicians, while we reporters love to think that we know all, we don't. we often know very little. and this was the case here. i think in this particular case, i was surprised by the announcement of a separation. these are two people who are very invested in this marriage. not just for all the personal reasons but because the narrative of the marriage, this marriage between two very different people who despite their struggles and problems and differences, managed to make it work. that's something they both sold and prospered from in their professional lives. so they have a lot of reasons not to get divorced, not to split. but the news that he was involved with a woman who was not his wife was not surprising. this is not someone who has run as a public moralist or promised in politics to be faithful to his wife or was faithful in the past or would be in the future. this was not a bill clinton who wagged his finger. this is someone whose public and political persona was someone who was a little bit naughty. even in that 2003 campaign, you know, we saw that. >> right. candy, you were there. you covered the campaign at the time of those multiple groping allegations. a, does this surprise you? and does it surprise you that it was kept secret for so long time? >> reporter: well, it doesn't, and i think for reasons just talked about. if you have people vested in keeping quiet, then they keep it quiet. so if you have a woman married to someone else, who is having his baby, she apparently was getting child support all of this time, perhaps there was an accountant involved somewhere along the line. but he also has a vested interest in staying quiet. there's a difference between the aggrieved women that "the l.a. times" reported in great detail. like five, six days, less than a week before the recall vote in california. and he had started a huge tour that day that we were on with lots of hollywood and stopping in several cities. and this story just came up that morning on the front page of "the times," and there was a story after that, as well. like 20 women or something and it was pretty disgusting behavior. and he said no, he didn't do it. then he said, well, you know, it's hollywood and it's gyms and i was sort of baudy. so i apologize if people were offended. but the difference between those women and the mother of this child is that they were aggrieved and angry, and she obviously didn't even want to talk as late as yesterday. so, you know, again, it's not surprising. people don't want to talk, it's hard to find out. >> do we know how maria shriver is doing? >> reporter: i've been in touch with somebody who is close to her who said this is not adrift. that this was an act -- leaving him was an act of an empowered woman who knows what she wants and the kind of life she wants to lead. and the bottom line there is look, this woman didn't stand by her man, but as a caveat, once this latest revelation happened and only after he left the governor's office. >> jessica, candy, appreciate your time. joe matthews, as well. let us know what you think on facebook or twitter @ anderson cooper. up next, politics, power and fame, why so often it's linked to infidelity. dr. drew pensky weighs in. does the power lead to this behavior or is it the drive that propels some men to seek fame and power that same drive does that lead them to cheat? and later, breaking news. the man on the right now believed to be bin laden's successor. we'll tell you who he is and whether the new acting boss could be as dangerous or more dangerous as the old one. building up our wireless network all across america. we're adding new cell sites... increasing network capacity, and investing billions of dollars to improve your wireless network experience. from a single phone call to the most advanced data download, we're covering more people in more places than ever before in an effort to give you the best network possible. at&t. rethink possible. in an effort to give you the best network possible. ♪ ♪ membership rewards points from american express. they're a social currency with endless possibilities. ♪ well, you know i love it too ♪ ♪ you love money ♪ well, you know i love it too ♪ ♪ i work so hard at my job ♪ and then i bring it home to you ♪ ♪ i love money in my pocket breaking news tonight. new details that arnold schwarzenegger fathered a child out of wedlock with a member of the household staff. "the new york times" reporting tonight the boy is about 14 years old. several friends telling the paper the mother was working around the house while pregnant at the same time that maria shriver was pregnant with her own youngest. we've seen a lot of politicians caught cheating and lying about it, but arnold schwarzenegger's deception of his own family over the course of many years is pretty surprising. dr. drew pensky believes it's not the power and fame that leads some men to cheat as a lot of people think, but the thing that drives some men to become famous or powerful is an impulse which also drives them to cheat sometimes. he'll explain that in a minute. but first, tom foreman and some of the other politicians we've seen who have done this, as well. >> reporter: even in the midst of this sex scandal, the former california governor has plenty of company. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> reporter: ever since president clinton was caught fooling around 13 years ago, internet rumors, cameras everywhere, and the public appetite for dirt have outed dozens of public figures for indiscretions. among republicans, such scandals have had particular impact. former house speaker, now presidential contender newt gingrich led the charge against clinton, but twice had affairs of his own. senators david vitter and then senator john ensign likewise have defended conservative family values but vitter was linked to prostitutes and ensign cheated on his wife. and when the governor of south carolina, mark sanford, was found with his mistress, not on the appalachian trail -- >> i've been unfaithful to my wife. >> the wife suggested he take a hike. >> i frankly didn't know where he was. >> reporter: and it's not as if republicans have cornered the market on indiscretion. >> because i did not want the public to know what i had done. very simple. >> reporter: john edwards talked to "nightline" about his affair with this woman, rielle hunter. she claimed they had a love child, something he at first denied. >> when you were running for president, you flat out defined having a relationship with rielle hunter, were you telling me the truth then? >> yes. >> reporter: he later came clean and his wife, elizabeth, now deceased, left him and took their kids with her. other democrats, former new york governor, now cnn host, eliot spitzer paid for escorts. former new jersey governor jim mcgreevey cheated with another man. but it's not just politics. in sports, brett favre and ben roethlisberger were accused of but never charged with misconduct. tiger woods went into the rough over extramarital playing partners. >> i was unfaithful. i had affairs. >> reporter: and in entertainment, scandals have enveloped david letterman, hue grant, george michael and jesse james just to name a few. so the former california governor can take consolation knowing as a politician, an athlete, and an entertainer, he is not alone. but then when you think about it, that was the whole problem. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> that's the what. for a closer look at the why, i spoke with dr. drew pensky. dr. drew, i've read some psychologists who say men with great power and status are more prone to affairs than the average person. is that really true? >> i think it probably is true, anderson, but it doesn't mean it's okay, and it doesn't mean the high profile or power status necessarily causes this. in fact, the research that i've done on celebrities and people in positions of power show something quite different. what it shows is the kind of person that strives to get themselves in those positions may have certain character liabilities that make them the kind of person prone to these transgressions. >> what's the correlation, the drive to achieve something and the impulse or whatever to cheat or to do stuff that's high risk? >> it's a topic we have talked about over the years, it's narcissism. it's the need to get pumped up from the environment to feel okay about yourself, so you have to keep getting positions of power to feel okay when you don't feel so good on the inside. narcissism has this liability of failure, which is people with narcissism don't perceive the consequences of their actions. because they don't really perceive other people's feelings very well. particularly in those moments where they have a powerful impulse, it's hard to predict the effects it's going to have on other people. >> that drive can apply to everybody who has a tv show. not everybody on tv acts out in this way, though. >> that's absolutely correct. the difference is that liability. my point is, and the part i find most disturbing is the public at large will rather be dismissive and say oh, guess what, somebody in a position of authority, some male who makes a lot of money is acting out sexually. yeah, we get that. but does it make it okay? it is not okay for many reasons. it says something deep about their personality functioning and value system. this has such a rippling effect on people around them. people they love are shattered by this, and we've heard so much of this these days. it's almost becoming normal and that background noise affects our kids. this is the warning i want to keep putting out. they need to discuss this with their children, this behavior is not okay. if they want to behave like this, they shouldn't take a vow and they should do all this before they get married or not get married. >> what i don't understand, though, i understand a famous person doing this, look, the behavior of somebody like charlie sheen. but somebody who is running for office, whose entire livelihood depends on being seen as being honest and making promises with the voters, to do this while you're running for office, we've seen it with john edwards, when eliot spitzer was governor, he had the problem that he had. why would somebody in political life, of all places, when you're under that microscope, do this? >> it boggles the mind, doesn't it, anderson? i would have two answers. one, is sometimes it's sexual addiction. sometimes people, just like with any other addiction, they're in denial. they don't really perceive the consequences of their actions. but more often than not, it is a sense of entitlement, of being special, of sort of being entitled to this sort of thing and some of the reasons they're in the position they're in makes them feel entitled. the fact is, they're just not. for those of us not to dismiss it, further enhances their sense of entitlement. >> is there a sense of -- does the danger of it, does the forbiddenness of it add to the appeal of it or the attraction of it for some of these people? >> for some of my patients, it is the intensity. with sex and love addicts, if you remember the south carolina governor that had the woman down in south america, that was classic love addiction. and yes, it's the intensity of the experience more off than not. >> you call it love addiction. isn't that just being in love? >> no, this is -- think about how wild that was. he had never met her before, he developed this wild sort of fantasy about who they were together. that's sort of -- if you read about love addiction, that's a pretty classic case of that. >> we got a question from a viewer in michigan. why do smart, successful women put up with it? which is obviously a good point. we've seen this time and again. >> the fact is, when i was talking about it on my show today, the women that put it with up who was the spouse that got cheated upon and how about the women who do the cheating. we need to hold them accountable, as well. they often play a strong role in this dance we call infidelity. but i will tell you this, that the women that stand by the men, we should not be critical of them. in my word, i deal with quite a bit with sexual addiction. a significant majority of the partners with the sex addict will stay with that person and in treatment. that relationship can be restored. the situation with the schwarzeneggers, such a sad story. i would wish and hope they would stay together and get treatment and look to restitution of their relationship and their marriage. the problem here in their case, though, it sounds like this has been going on for some time and things have just hit their last straw. >> dr. drew, appreciate it. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. coming up, more breaking news. will the man on the right be the new leader of al qaeda? that's the word we're getting. and in the wake of osama bin laden's death, he's been chosen caretaker leader of al qaeda. what we know about him, next. later, the head of the international monetary fund on suicide watch at new york's rikers island jail. new details about how his lawyers are trying to get him out from behind bars. details ahead. 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because a lot of people say that's where al zawahri formed a network. >> i don't know if they were in jail together. they were part of the same organization. it's likely they served in jail together. but i don't know for certain, anderson. so this is a guy who has spent a good deal of time, after americans started bombing in afghanistan, he fled to iran, with two of bin laden's sons. he was there with his wife and family for a number of years. it wasn't until the last year and a half or so that he got out of iran where he was held in sort of house arrest and went back to pakistan. so he's been a member of the military council. and he's got a lot of sort of military experience. >> is it still a possibility that al zawahiri might have assumed the reigns of al qaeda? >> absolutely. you know, we talk about bin laden. members of al qaeda would swear allegiance to bin laden himself personally. so the new leader will have to have those senior members of the ruling council, and other members, swear allegiance to him. the question is, he doesn't have bin laden's charisma. he's known to be a difficult personality. this allows him to shore up his political base inside al qaeda. >> chris, i want to turn to these new details you were getting tonight about the raid that killed bin laden. what new details do you have? what have you found out? >> reporter: we have now learned that for every one of the about two dozen s.e.a.l.s that assaulted that compound, there was another s.e.a.l. close by as backup. remember when we heard that president obama had to update the plan because he wanted the s.e.a.l.s to be able to fight their way out of that compound, if necessary. now we know how many backups there were. we also know that the helos, both of those blackhawks were never meant to touch the ground. one was supposed to fast rope some s.e.a.l.s in the compound, the other was going to drop the other s.e.a.l.s on the roof and outside. but because they were so concerned about pakistan finding out about this mission, they used these stealth helicopters. one of them ran in trouble and clipped the edge of the wall. that's when they had to scramble the plan. originally, neither was supposed to touch ground, it was only supposed to take two minutes to get the s.e.a.l.s on the ground. they were counting on the fact that because it's so close to a pakistan military base, people would just think whatever sounds they heard were just the normal comings and goings of pakistani helicopters. there were also a dozen children all throughout this compound and it only took about 15 minutes to get to bin laden. the rest of the time spent trying to blow up that downed helicopter. >> chris lawrence, appreciate the details. thanks, fran. just ahead, dominic strauss-kahn head of the imf, a guy who people said was the next likely president of france, on suicide watch tonight at new york's rikers island jail. a lot of times, things are right underneath our feet, and all we need to do is change the way we're thinking about them. a couple decades ago, we didn't even realize just how much natural gas was trapped in rocks thousands of feet below us. technology has made it possible to safely unlock this cleanly burning natural gas. this deposits can provide us with fuel for a hundred years, providing energy security and economic growth all across this country. it just takes somebody having the idea, and that's where the discovery comes from. on "crime and punishment" tonight, the international monetary fund says its chief, dominic strauss-kahn, does not have diplomatic immunity in the sexual assault case against him in america. and tonight, growing pressure on him to step down from the imf. the former french finance minister is accused of sexually assaulting and trying to rape a maid in his new york hotel suite over the weekend. he was denied bail and being held in jail on rikers island. he's been placed on suicide watch as a precaution. deb, you've been following the case all day. what is the latest that we know about the alleged victim? >> we know that she has a 15-year-old daughter. she's been working at the hotel for about 2 1/2 years. she was there legally. the lawyer describes her as a woman who is dignified, intelligent, somebody who got along well with supervisors and her co-workers. the lawyer also says when i asked, was this consensual, could this have been consensual as the defense attorneys seem to suggest, saying this was not a forced encounter, the lawyers said no, absolutely not. this event has traumatized her. she's afraid to go home, afraid to go to work and her future is uncertain right now, anderson. >> and she comes from west africa, correct, and she has a good employment record, correct? >> exactly, exactly. >> sonny, yesterday the defense seemed to suggest that the assault maybe never happened, he had an alibi. in court they imply that the sex did occur but that it was consensual. what do you make of that morphing of the defense strategy? >> this is a very fluid situation. just as the prosecution is continuing its investigation, so is the defense. in a case like this, anderson, where only two people were in the room, there are no other witnesses to what happened. the only two defenses are, one, it's consensual, or two, there's an alibi and it never happened. so it's not unusual for the defense strategy to be evolving and changing. >> deb, do we know anything about forensic evidence? in a case where there's just two people, that would be incredibly important. do we know if there is forensic evidence? >> there is forensic evidence. one prosecutor said what's interesting is while the presence of semen, it doesn't show that there was a forced encounter of any kind. forensics were sent out, both of the women, but also of dominic strauss-kahn. those have not come back yet, but they will be presented to a grand jury. we're being told that the grand jury is going to be listening to this case and deciding whether to vote by friday as to whether this should go forward, anderson. >> what do we now know about this young journalist in france who accused dominic strauss-kahn of assaulting her, is she considering pressing charges? >> she's connected to a lawyer. she's looking into the charges. she's been quoted as saying she should have gone forward with this at the time it occurred. the big question now, is everybody is watching to see whether other women step forward to say something similar happened to them. when you have something high profile like this, there's always a possibility it could trigger a waterfall almost, anderson. >> sonny, what's the next step in terms of the legal process? >> as deb mentioned, i'm hearing also that the grand jury has been convened and is determining whether or not they will indict him. may 20th is the control date, and that means if he has been indicted, the charges will be read and he will enter a plea of guilty or not guilty. if he has not been indicted, they will set another date. but the bottom line is, there's no question that this friday the defense will reapply for bail. they're going to try to come up with a situation that is palletable for the prosecution and the court so that he is no longer being held at rikers island. that may include a $1 million to $2 million bail, or an ankle monitoring bracelet. some sort of situation that gets him out of rikers. that is going to be their top priority. >> deb, he has a daughter i think who lives in new york. so it could be that he has to stay in the city. would that be a possibility? >> absolutely. he could stay in the city. right now we are told -- obviously he's at rikers. he did have one visitor, but the department of corrections would not say who that was. we are also told, anderson, that he was put on a suicide watch. doesn't mean he's suicidal, but because he's such high profile, this is a guy who is used to meeting with prime ministers and power brokers and presidents. he's isolated now by himself. so as a precaution, they have put him on suicide watch and checking on him about every 15 minutes. >> it's unbelievable. thank you very much. as sonny said, getting dominic strauss-kahn out of jail would be a top priority for his lawyers on friday. this is a man "forbes" magazine named one of the most powerful people. to say his life has changed dramatically in the last 72 hours barely begins to capture it. mary snow has new details about what he's facing right now at rikers. >> reporter: inside these walls, dominic strauss-kahn now spends his day in an 11 x 13 foot cell. most share barracks with about 50 beds in them. because of his high profile, a prison spokesman said he's separated from other inmates. it's a far cry from the luxury suite at new york's hotel where he stayed before his arrest, with some rooms going as much as $3,000. while hotel guests there were offered a breakfast choice of a five-ounce steak with eggs, with a morning cocktail such as a $20 glass of champagne, breakfast at rikers consists of one apple and banana, a box of mini wheat cereal, milk, coffee or tea. he will be eating alone and won't have contact with other prisoners who number 13,000 to 14,000 on any given day. the attorney says things have changed since violence dominated the jail in the early '90s. >> its name is synonymous in popular culture with brutality, with corruption, with jailbreaks, with people banging cups on bars. none of which is true anymore. but it still exercises a very powerful hold on the imagination. >> reporter: most of the inmates there are waiting to go on trail and can range from low level drug dealers to murderers. mark david chapman, who killed john lennon, was once held there. so was david burkowitz. aka the son of sam serial killer. in recent years, rapper lil wayne spent time there on a weapons charge. dominic strauss-kahn is able to leave his jail cell and can go outside for an hour a day. but will be escorted by a corrections officer. inside, he's allowed to periodically walk around his housing area corridor where he can watch tv. >> everything is difficult. and the most difficult thing i think for any particular person is to deal with the dehumanization, because you're just one of 13,000 people, and to deal with being cut off from the outside world. floip his first day at rikers, he had one visitor but declined to say who it was. inmates can have up to three people per visit, not including attorneys who are given access to their clients any given day. mary snow, cnn, this morning. still ahead, bernie madoff is serving more than 100 years, but his assets are up on the auction block. we'll shoel you some of them ahead. and don't you hate it when people talk loudly on their cell phones in a restaurant or on a plane? tonight, this story winds up one woman on the "ridicu-list." a 16-hour cell phone conversation. we'll tell you where she was chatting it up. 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>> i mean, a glass now and then. but i know nothing about wine. i get so nervous in the restaurant when you're supposed to know and i have no idea. >> that's all right. >> i leave it up to the waiter. >> there's a fine wine back here. 1996 wine. great starting price. >> how much is that? >> $3,200. but you get six bottles for that, they tell me. >> six bottles for $3,000? >> look, don't shoot the messenger. i'm only imparting the information to you. >> i'm going to hang out with kathy griffin's mom and drink it by the box. like she does. she's got the right idea. >> tip it. that's what i say. >> exactly. she wrote a book about that. time now for the "ridicu-list." tonight, we're adding a woman named la'keshia beard. but you can just call her the cell phone lady. that's because, according to authorities, she talked loudly on her cell phone while on an amtrak train nonstop for 16 hours. police say cell phone lady started talking in oakland, california, and did not stop until she was escorted off said train in salem, oregon, 16 hours later. what can someone possibly talk about for 16 hours? even if i had been held captive 20 years and was seeing my family for the first time, i could maybe fill an hour, maybe two hours. but 16? she was taken off the train and charged with disorderly contact. that's right, she got charged, just like her cell phone. and the best part of all, she was riding in one of amtrak's designated quiet cars. sure, if you're going to be yapping, who wants to be surrounded by others yapping with all their other yapping? when other passengers complained to cell phone lady, she got into a verbal altercation and kept talking on her phone. news station katu wanted to interview her after she got arrested. she wouldn't go on camera. she said she didn't feel well and i'm guessing she had a sore throat but she did talk to a reporter briefly on the phone and said "she felt disrespected by the entire incident." she felt disrespected. maybe she's innocent, i don't know. but am i the only one who has no sympathy for people who talk on their cell phones around other people loudly? how many times have you been on a plane or a bus or a train or a restaurant or a line or a taxi or just about anywhere these days and someone is yammering into their phone loudly and completely oblivious to those around them? i've heard lawyers talking about their clients. i've heard women revealing details about the date they had the night before. while i and others are forced to listen. the idea of being trapped on a train for 16 hours with someone talking on a cell phone, to me it's much more creepy than anything alfred hitchcock could imagine. if there were cell phones in his day, "strangers on a train" would have been a much different movie. think about that, she was on the phone for 16 hours. in 16 hours, you could watch the movie "throw momma from the train" 10.9 times in a row. you wouldn't be able to pay any attention to it, because cell phone lady would have been talking the whole way through it. but still, in 16 hours, you could watch 32 episodes of "soul train." or listen to the clash song "train in vein" approximately 320 times back-to-back. all of which i would rather do than sit on a train with someone talking loudly into their cell phone for 16 hours. please, people, stay off the phone when you're in public. it's rude and a sure fire way to get you on the "ridicu-list." up next, building up america. see how they keep traffic moving in one city and you could see a lot more of this nationwide. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] doctors have been saying it forever. let's take a look. but they've never actually been able to do it like this. let's take a look. v-scan from ge healthcare. a pocket sized imaging device that will help change the way doctors see patients. that's better health for more people. what's all this? 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>> later, this statement from his wife -- >> there are additional details tonight. "the new york times" reporting tonight the child is a boy. he's now 14 and his mother, again, according to "the times," was pregnant with him at the tame seem maria shriver was pregnant with their youngest child. the boy was an occasional presence at the schwarzenegger home and there was rumors about schwarzenegger for years, stories of infidelity during his first campaign for governor he was accused of groping women. this is how he responded back then. >> i always say that wherever there's smoke, there's fire. that is true. and i want to say to you, yes, i have behaved badly sometimes. >> well, two days after he made that statement, maria shriver launched a public campaign supporting her husband in the campaign. >> so in the end, in these final 48, 72 hours, you can make a decision. you can listen to all the negativity and you can listen to people who have never met arnold or who met him for five seconds 30 years ago or you can listen to me. >> well, that was in october nearly eight years ago. what she apparently did not know then, and that we just learned today is that the child her husband fathered would have already been a toddler at the time or older if "the new york times" version is correct. two years before that, schwarzenegger was railing against single parenthood saying, i think the situation with single parenting is disastrous. he was talking mainly but not exclusively about poor inner city parents and kids. we'll talk about that tonight as well as why women stick with men despite warning signs. first, how we got here, what we know. in the state of california, in this morning's los angeles times, schwarzenegger fathered a child with household staff. the woman who had the affair and the child with schwarzenegger had worked for his family for about a decade at the time of the affair and only recently retired. a source told cnn that schwarzenegger financially supported the child since birth. when "the l.a. times" began asking questions, the mother said that another man, her husband at the time, was the father. she also said she was leaving her long-time job with the family because "i wanted to achieve my 20 years and i asked to retire." the staffer's cover story about the father fell awart when schwarzenegger paternity. the woman has had no further comment. allegations of affairs occasionally surfaced throughout his eight years in office, but none seem to threaten his marriage with maria shriver. schwarzenegger told his wife about the child after leaving office in january and since then they have effectively lived separate lives, according to "the l.a. times." he's been trying to revive his film career. interested in making sequeling to "the terminator" and he's globe trotted to benghazi with james cameron, to france, and to washington to participate in the conference on immigration with president obama. trips he took all reportedly without his wife. three weeks ago, the couple marked a milestone. 25 years of marriage. normally a call for celebration. but then last monday, they announced they were akicably separating. they released a statement that read in part -- this has been a time of great personal and professional transition for each of us. at this time, we're living apart while we work on the future of our relationship. a day after that announcement on tuesday, schwarzenegger seemed to suggest they were trying to work through issues. >> we both love each other very much. we have four extraordinary children and we're taking one day at a time. >> "the l.a. times" reports shriver was less optimistic. she had been unhappy in the marriage for years and was waiting for her husband's term to end before splitting. today's bombshell has only deepened the divide between the couple. shriver called the latest news heartbreaking and the couple's children also are speaking out on twitter. out of all the doubts and questions schwarzenegger's family must have had, one of the biggest is on the mind of a nation, how could he keep this secret for so long? joining us now is former l.a. times writer joe matthews, author of "the people's ma scene, arnold schwarzenegger and the rise of the blockbuster democracy." also joining us, jessica yellin and candy crowley. jessica, obviously long standing rumors of womanizing are one thing. a secret out of wedlock child is something else entirely. how big a surprise was this revelation? >> reporter: i've spoke on the a lot of insiders today who, to a person say, not that surprised. i'm sort of shocked by that. they say the fact that it was a housekeeper and the fact that there's a child is startling, but it was a general understanding he had a problem with womanizing and that it was sort of baked into his image and what people know about him, especially in his community in l.a. there are even people saying this is not going to hurt his movie career. men behaving badly seem to do okay. it will hurt any political aspirations. but he left office with an approval rating in the mid 20s. >> joe, you covered schwarzenegger for a long time. does it surprise you, and how did he manage to keep this underwraps so long? >> you had a situation where the woman was married at the time. he was married. both had a reason not to tell anyone. i don't think it's terribly surprising this was a secret for a long time. politicians, while we reporters love to think that we know all, we don't. we often know very little. and this was the case here. i think in this particular case, i was surprised by the announcement of a separation. these are two people who are very invested in this marriage. not just for all the personal reasons but because the narrative of the marriage, this marriage between two very different people who despite their problems and differences, managed to make it work. so they have a lot of reasons not to get divorced, not to split. but the news that he was involved with a woman who was not his wife was not surprising. this is not someone who has run as a public moralist or promised in politics to be faithful to his wife or was faithful in the past or would be in the future. this was not a bill clinton who wagged his finger. this is someone whose public and political persona was someone who was a little bit naughty. even in that 2003 campaign, you know, we saw that. >> right. candy, you were there. you covered the campaign at the time of those multiple groping allegations. a, does this surprise you? and does it surprise you that it was kept secret for so long time? >> reporter: well, it doesn't, for reasons just talked about. if you have people vested in keeping quiet, then they keep it quiet. so if you have a woman married to someone else, who is having his baby, she apparently was getting child support all of this time, perhaps there was an accountant involved somewhere along the line. but he also has a vested interest in staying quiet. there's a difference between the aggrieved women that "the l.a. times" reported in great deal, like five, six days, less than a week before the recall vote in california. and he had started a huge tour that day that we were on with lots of hollywood and stopping in several cities. and this story just came up that morning on the front page of "the times," and there was a story after that, as well. like 20 women or something and it was disgusting behavior. and he said no, he didn't do it. then he said, well, you know, it's hollywood and it's gyms and so i apologize to people who were offended. but the difference between those women and the mother of this child is that they were aggrieved and angry, and she obviously didn't even want to talk as late as yesterday. so, you know, again, it's not surprising. people don't want to talk, it's hard to find out. >> do we know how maria shriver is doing? >> reporter: i've been in touch with somebody who is close to her who said this is not adrift. leaving him was an act of an employered woman who knows what she wanted. and the bottom line there is look, this woman didn't stand by her man, but as a caveat, once this latest revelation happened and only after he left the governor's office. you know, there's been a lot of talk about her lately, because once she announced the split, there was a youtube video that came up where she talked about transition and the people close to her say, this is who she is, she's planning to pursue a journalism activism career, where she opens up and talks about raw emotions like this and this is what we should expect from her. there is a degree of shock that the topic is now maria shriver. so less than 24 hours after we find out about this shocking behavior by arnold schwarzenegger, there's so much focus on when did his wife know, rather than saying what he did was disgusting. he is to blame. >> joe, the vice chairman of the california democratic party is calling for an investigation into whether or not schwarzenegger used money from the campaign to silence women is. there something there? >> there's no particular reason to believe it, and this is a state with not a lot of money and has some pretty serious problems, probably doesn't want to spend a lot of time investigating what a former governor may or may not have done. there have been -- schwarzenegger is one of these people who is always attracted all kinds of stories and rumors. covering him was frustrating, because you would get two calls in an hour. one telling you about the strange things someone had seen him do in washington, d.c. and the next about the strange things someone seen him do across the street in sacramento. he couldn't have been in both places at the same time. so sort of a chase for all the familiars of this is unlikely, you know, unlikely to happen and and also, we know -- >> do we know how the story came out now. the woman involved didn't have a reason to bring it up and as latest yesterday i guess was telling one story to "the l.a. times," do we know how it got revealed? >> i don't know. >> okay. jessica, do you know? >> reporter: well, the read i'm getting is that they had a tip. "the times" knew something and was pushing it and schwarzenegger came out with a statement of his own. while the housekeeper didn't want to speak, schwarzenegger came clean and that opened this all up. >> jessica, candy, appreciate your time. joe, thank you. let us know what you think on facebook or twitter @ anderson cooper. up next, politics, power and fame, why so often it's lijed to infidelity. dr. drew weighs in. does the power lead to this behavior or something else? is the drive that propels some men to seek fame and power, does that lead them to cheat? we'll talk to him. later, breaking news. the man own the right now believed to be bin laden's successor. we'll tell you who he is and whether the new acting boss could be as dangerous or more dangerous as the old one. first, let's check in with isha sesay. what are you following? >> late word today from the battle in libya. an update for the fighting in misurata. what rebels are up against and reports of an attack on a nato warship. that and more ahead on "360." th. her morning begins with arthritis pain. that's a coffee and two pills. the afternoon tour begins with more pain and more pills. the evening guests arrive. back to sore knees. back to more pills. the day is done but hang on... her doctor recommended aleve. just 2 pills can keep arthritis pain away all day with fewer pills than tylenol. this is lara who chose 2 aleve and fewer pills for a day free of pain. and get the all day pain relief of aleve in liquid gels. time is running out to be one of the 10 people to win the chevrolet, buick, gmc or cadillac of your choice. just push your blue button and tell the advisor you want to enter to win a car. ♪ you don't even have to be an active subscriber. so push it now. before all 10 cars are gone. no purchase necessary. see rules at onstar.com to enter without a blue onstar button. sweepstakes ends may 31st. down the hill? man: all right. we were actually thinking, maybe... we're going to hike up here, so we'll catch up with you guys. 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"the new york times" reporting tonight the boy is is about 14-year-old. we've seen a lot of politicians caught cheating and lying about it, but arnold schwarzenegger's deception of his own family over the course of many years is pretty surprising. dr. drew pensky believes it's not the power and fame that leads men to cheat but the thing that drives some men to become famous or powerful is an impulse which also drives them to cheat sometimes. we'll explain that in a minute. but first, tom foreman and some of the other politicians we've seen who have done this, as well. >> reporter: even in the midst of this sex scandal, the former california governor has plenty of company. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> reporter: ever since president clinton was caught fooling around, cameras everywhere, and the public appetite for dirt have outed dozens of public figures for indiscretions. among republicans, such scandals have had particular impact. now presidential contender newt gingrich led the charge against clinton, but twice had affairs of his own. senators david vitter and then senator john ensign likewise have defended viv family values but he was linked to prostitutes. and when the governor of south carolina, mark sanford, was found with his mistress, not on the appalachian trail -- >> i've been unfaithful to my wife. >> i frankly didn't know where he was. >> reporter: and it's not as if republicans have cornered the market on indiscretion. >> because i did not want the public to know what i had done. very simple. >> reporter: john edwards talked to "nightline" about his affair with rielle hunter. she claimed they had a love child, something he at first denied. >> you flat out denied having a relationship with rielle hunter. did you give me a truthful answer then? >> yes. >> reporter: he later came clean and his wife, elizabeth, now deceased, left him and took their kids with her. eliot spitzer paid for escorts. former new jersey governor jim mcgreevey cheated with another man. but it's not just politics. in sports, brett favre and ben ross less berger were accused of but never charged with misconduct. tiger woods went into the rough over extramarital playing partners. >> i was unfaithful. i had affairs. >> reporter: and in entertainment, scandals have enveloped david letterman, george michael, and jesse james just to name a few. so schwarzenegger can take consolation knowing he's not alone. but then when you think about it, that was the whole problem. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> that's the what. for a closer look at the why, i spoke with dr. drew pensky. dr. drew, i've read some psychologists who say men with great power and status are more prone to affairs than the average person. is that really true? >> i think it probably is true, anderson, but it doesn't mean it's okay, and it doesn't mean the high profile or power status necessarily causes this. in fact, the research that i've done on celebrities and people in positions of power show something quite different. what it shows is the kind of person that strives to get themselves in those positions may have certain character liabilities that make them the kind of person prone to these transgressions. >> what's the correlation, the drive to achieve something and the impulse or whatever to cheat or to do stuff that's high risk? >> it's a topic we have talked about over the years, it's narcissism. if need to get pumped up from the environment to feel okay about yourself, so you have to keep getting positions of power to feel okay when you don't feel so good on the inside and narcissism has this liability of failure, which is people with narcissism don't perceive the consequences of their actions. particularly in those moment where is they have a powerful impulse, it's hard to predict the effects it's going to have on other people. >> that drive can apply to everybody who has a tv show. not everybody on tv acts out in this way, though. >> that's absolutely correct. the difference is that liability. my point is, and the part i find most disturbing is the public will rather be dismissive and say oh, guess what, somebody in a position of authority, some male who makes a lot of money is sacramentoing out sexually. yeah, we get that. but does it make it okay? it is not okay for many reasons. it says something deep about their personality functioning and value system. people they love are shattered by this, and we've heard so much of this these days. it's almost becoming normal and that background noise effects our kids. this is the warning i want to keep putting out. they need to discuss this with their children, this behavior is not okay. if they want to behave like this, they shouldn't take a vow and they should do all this before they get married or not get married. >> what i don't understand, though, i understand a famous person doing this, look, the behavior of somebody like charlie sheen. but somebody who is running for office, whose entire livelihood depends on being seen as being honest and making promises with the voters, to do this while you're running for office, we've seen it with john edwards, when eliot spitzer was governor, he had the problem that he had. why would somebody in political life, of all places, when you're under that microscope, do this? >> it boggles the mind, doesn't it, anderson? i would have two answers. one, is sometimes it's sexual addiction. just like with any other addiction, they're in denial, they don't really perceive the consequences of their actions. but more often than not, it is a sense of entitlement, of being special, of sort of being entitled to this sort of thing and some of the reasons they're in the position they're in makes them feel entitled. the fact is, they're just not. for those of us not to dismiss it, further enhances their sense of entitlement. >> is there a sense of -- does the danger of it, does the forbiddenness of it add to the appeal of it or the attraction of it for some of these people? >> for some of my patients, it is the intensity. with sex and love addicts, if you remember the south carolina governor that had the woman down in south america, that was classic love addiction. it's the intensity of the experience more off than not. >> you call it love addiction. isn't that just being in love? >> no, this is -- think about how wild that was. he never met her before, he developed this fantasy about who they were together. if you read about love addiction, that's a classic case. >> we got a question from a viewer in michigan. why do smart, successful women put up with it? which is obviously a good point. >> the fact is, when i was talking about it on my show today, the women that put it with up who was the spouse that got cheated upon and how about the women who do the cheating. we need to hold them accountable, as well. they often play a strong role in this dance we call infidelity. but the women that stand by the men, we should not be critical of them. in my word, i deal with quite a bit with sexual addiction. a significant majority of the partners with the sex addict will stay with that person and in treatment. that relationship can be restored. the situation with the schwarzeneggers, i would wish and hope they would stay together and get treatment and look to restitution of their relationship and their marriage. the problem here in their case, though, it sounds like this has been going on for some time and things have just hit their last straw. >> dr. drew, appreciate it. >> thanks, anderson. coming up, more breaking news. will the man on the right be the new leader of al qaeda? that's the word we're getting. he's been chosen caretaker leader of al qaeda. what we know about him, next. later, the head of the international monetary fund on suicide watch at new york jail. new details about how his lawyers are trying to get him out from behind bars. details ahead. call her. ok. 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africa in 1998. and he probably had knowledge of the "cole" bombing in 2000 in yemen. he goes back to the egyptian islamic jihad, responsible for the assassination of sadat. >> did he end up in prison with al zawahri? >> i don't know if they were in jail together. they were part of the same organization. it's likely they served in jail together. but i don't know for certain, anderson. so this is a guy who has spent a good deal of time, after americans started bombing in afghanistan, he fled to iran, with two of bin laden's sons. he was there with his wife and family for a number of years. it wasn't until the last year and a half or so that he got out of iran where he was held in sort of house arrest and went back to pakistan. so he's been a member of the military council. and he's got a lot of sort of military experience. >> is it still a possibility that al zawahri might have assumed the reigns of al qaeda? >> absolutely. members of al qaeda would swear allegiance to bin laden himself personally. so the new leader will have to have those senior members of the ruling council, and other members, swear allegiance to him. the question is, he doesn't have bin laden's charisma. he's known to be a difficult perp at. this allows him to shore up his political base inside al qaeda. >> chris, i want to turn to these new details you were getting about the raid that killed bin laden. what new details do you have? >> reporter: we have now learned that for every one of the about two dozen s.e.a.l.s that assaulted that compound, there was another s.e.a.l. close by as backup. remember when we heard that president obama had to update the plan because he wanted the s.e.a.l.s to be able to fight their way out of that compound, if necessary. now we know how many backups there were. we also know that the helos, both of those blackhawks were never meant to touch the ground. one was supposed to fast rope some s.e.a.l.s in the compound, but because they were so concerned about pakistan finding out about this mission, they used these stealth helicopters. one of them ran in trouble and clipped the edge of the wall. that's when they had to scramble the plan. originally, neither was supposed to touch ground, it was only supposed to take two minutes to get the s.e.a.l.s on the ground. they counting on the fact that because it's so close to a pakistan military base, people would think it was just the normal comings and goings of pakistani helicopters. there were also a dozen children without this compound and it took about 15 minutes to get to bin laden. the rest of the time spent trying to blow up that downed helicopter. >> there's also evidence to suggest that bin laden was planning attacks on the united states, right? >> reporter: exactly. that he was not only in the loop but he was actively trying to plan attack. one of them shows osama bin laden was in communication with the al qaeda group based in yemen. that's important, because it's that group that has planned many attacks recently on the united states. so think back to the failed attack on times square, that bomb last year. think of the plans to put explosives in printer cartridges on supply planes bound for the u.s. all of that was planned in yemen. now we know that osama bin laden was in contact with that group. what they're now trying to do is pinpoint where he was actually in contact with the group's leader. and when you look at some of the attacks planned for europe, osama bin laden's involvement seems to go even further. a u.s. official was telling us he was not only away and supportive of some of those attacks but "he was trying to motivate his operatives in europe. he was literally pushing them to try to attack americans in europe, anderson. >> interesting stuff. chris lawrence, appreciate the details. thanks, fran. just ahead, dominic strauss-kahn, head of the imf, a guy who was the likely the next president of france, on suicide watch tonight in new york. we'll have the latest on the sexual assault allegations against him. let's check in first with isha. >> levies along the mississippi river appear to be holding but water diverted to spare new orleans is still rising. here's what it looks like in morgan city, louisiana. lots of water where it's not supposed to be. john king saw it firsthand. >> reporter: this water is not supposed to be here. right now, up to my chest. if i walk out here, it drops off pretty quickly. as we go down this way. if you look at this deck, that's where the river is supposed to begin right there. and all of this land on this side would be dry. >> officials say flooding has forced more than 4,000 people in louisiana and 5,000 in mississippi from their homes. in libya, seven people were reported killed in fighting in misurata with dozens wounded. meantime, nato denied a state television report that libyan armed forces struck a nato warship during a shelling exchange. state police in maine are trying to identify the body of a young boy found near the maine-new hampshire border over the weekend. they said they were exploring a possible military connection and released a photograph of the boy's shoes, black sneakers with pictures of a character from the film "cars." and britain's queen elizabh ii laid a wreath in dublin's garden of remembrance. she's the first british monarch to visit since 1921. >> i had no idea. that's amazing. >> it is amazing and touching scenes today in the garden of remembrance. >> isha, thanks. a quick program note on a story we've been following. he she attracted worldwide attention. she's now living free in exile and talked to cnn about what it's like to have left libya, to have escaped and what she feels. that's form on "360." nic robertson's full interview with her. here's a preview. >> translator: i was telling myself to defy them. these animals cannot sleep without punishment. i must speak out no matter how much people will talk about me and would blame me and ask how could a libyan woman and a 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assault case against him in america. and tonight, growing pressure on him to step down from the imf. the former french finance minister is accused of sexually assaulting and trying to rape a maid in his new york hotel suite over the weekend. he was denied bail and being held in jail on reitgers island. i talked earlier. what is the latest that we know about the alleged victim? >> we know that she has a 15-year-old daughter. she's been working at the hotel for about 2 1/2 years. she was there legally. the lawyer describes her as a woman who is dignified, intelligent, somebody who got along well with supervisors and her co-workers. the lawyer also says when i asked, was this consensual, could this have been consensual as the defense attorneys seem to suggest, saying this was not a forced encounter, the lawyers said no, she's afraid to go home, afraid to go to work and her future is uncertain right now, anderson. >> and she comes from west africa, correct, and she has a good employment record, correct? >> exactly, exactly. >> sonny, yesterday the defense seemed to suggest that the assault maybe never happened, he had an alibi. in court they imply that the sex did occur but that it was consensual. what do you make of that morphing of the defense strategy? >> this is a very fluid situation. in a case like this, anderson, where only two people were in the room, there are no other witnesses, the only two defenses is one, it's consensual, or two there's an alibi and it never happened. so it's not unusual for the defense strategy to be evolving and changing. >> deb, do we know anything about forensic evidence? in a case where there's just two people, that would believe important. do we know if there is forensic evidence? >> there is forensic evidence. one prosecutor said who's interesting is while the presence of semen, it doesn't show that there was a forced encounter of any kind. they will be presented to a grand jury. we're being told that the grand jury is going to be listening to this case and deciding whether to vote by friday as to whether this should go forward, anderson. >> what do we now know about this young journalist in france who accused dominic strauss-kahn of assaulting her, is she pressing charges? >> she's looking into the charges. she's been quoted as saying she should have gone forward with this at the time it occurred. the big question now, is everybody is watching to see whether other women step forward to say something happened to them. when you have something high profile like this, there's always a possibility it could trigger a waterfall almost, anderson. >> sonny, what's the next step in terms of the legal process? >> as deb mentioned, i'm hearing also that the grand jury has been convened and is determining whether or not they will indict him. may 20th is the control date, and that mean it is he has been indicted, the charges will be read and he will enter a plea of guilty or not guilty. if he has not been indicted, they will set another date. there's no question that this friday the defense will reapply for bail. they're going to try to come up with a situation that is palletable for the prosecution and the court so that he is no longer being held at reitgers island. that may include a $1 million to $2 million bail, or an ankle monitoring bracelet. some sort of situation that gets him out of reitgers. that is going to be their top priority. >> deb, he has a daughter i think who lives in new york. so it could be that he has to stay in the city. would that be a possibility? >> absolutely. he could stay in the city. right now we are told -- obviously he's at reitgers. he did that one visitor. we are also told, anderson, that he was put on a suicide watch. doesn't mean he's suicidal, but because he's such high profile, he's used to meeting with prime ministers and presidents. he's isolated now by himself. so as a precaution, they have put him on suicide watch and checking on him about every 15 minutes. >> it's unbelievable. thank you very much. as sonny said, getting dominic strauss-kahn out of jail would be a top priority for his lawyers on friday. this is a man "forbes" magazine named one of the most powerful people. to say his life has changed dramatically barely begins to capture it. we have new details about what he's facing right now at reitgers. >> reporter: inside these walls, dominic strauss-kahn now spends his day in an 11 x 13 foot cell. most share barracks with about 50 beds in them. because of his high profile, he's separated from other inmates. it's a far cry from the luxury suite at new york's hotel where he stayed before his arrest, with some rooms going as much as $3,000. while guests there were offered a breakfast choice of a five-ounce steak with eggs, with a morning cocktail such as a $20 glass of champagne, breakfast at reitgers consists of one apple and banana, a box of mini cheat cereal, milk, coffee or tea. he will be eating alone and won't have contact with other prisoners who number 13,000 to 14,000 on any given day. the attorney says things have changed since the early '90s. >> its name is synonymous in popular culture with brutality, with corruption, with jailbreaks, with people banging cups on bars. none of which is true anymore. but it still exercises a very powerful hold on the imagination. >> reporter: most of the inmates there are waiting to go on trail and can range from drug dealers to murderers. mark david chapman, who killed john lennon, was once held there. so was david burkewitz. dominic strauss-kahn is able to leave his jail cell and can go outside for an hour a day. but will be escorted by a corrections officer. inside, he's allowed to periodically walk around his housing area corridor where he can watch tv. >> everything is difficult. and the most difficult thing i think for any particular person is to deal with the dehumanization, because you're just one of 13,000 people, and to deal with being cut off from the outside world. >> in his first day at likers, he had one visitor. inmates can have up to three people per visit, not including attorneys who are given access to their clients any given day. mary snow, cnn, this morning. still ahead, bernie madoff is serving more than 100 years, but his assets are up on the auction block. and don't you hate it when people talk loudly on their cell phones in a restaurant or on a plane? tonight, this story winds up one woman on the "ridicu-list." a 16-hour cell phone conversation. we'll tell you where she was chatting it up. 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[ male announcer ] ask your doctor about cymbalta. imagine you, with less pain. cymbalta can help. go to cymbalta.com to learn about a free trial offer. coming up, the "ridicu-list." the lady who was arrested after talking for 16 hours on her cell phone on an amtrak train. but first, isha sesay has a "360" news and business bulletin. u.s. officials say more sanctions will be announced against syria in the next 48 hours. doesn't matter if the new pressure get syria to stop its violent crackdown on peaceful tests. george soros dumped nearly $800 million in gold during the first quarter as it soared to record heights and it's your chance to get a bottle from bernie madoff's booze collection. bidding begins tomorrow on nearly 300 bottles of wine and i will -- liquor. do you like your wine, mr. cooper? >> i mean, a glass now and then. but i know nothing about wine. i get so nervous in the restaurant when you're supposed to know and i have no idea. >> that's all right. >> i leave it up to the waiter. >> there's a fine wine back here. great starting price. >> how much is that? >> $3,200. but you get six bottles for that, they tell me. >> six bottles for $3,000? >> look, don't shoot the messenger. i'm only imparting the information to you. >> i'm going to hang out with kathy griffin's mom and drink it by the box. time now for the "ridicu-list." tonight, we're adding a woman named la'keshia beard. according to authorities, she talked loudly on her cell phone while on an amtrak train for 16 hours. police say cell phone lady started talking in oakland, california, and did not stop until she was escorted off said train in salem, oregon, 16 hours later. what can someone possibly talk about for 16 hours? even if i had been held captive 20 years and was seeing my family for the first time, i could fill maybe an hour or two, but 16? she was taken off the train and charged with disorderly contact. that's right, she got charged, just like her cell phone. and cell phone lady was riding in one of amtrak's designated quiet cars. sure, if you're going to be yapping, who wants to be surrounded by others? when other passengers complained to cell phone lady, she got into a verbal altercation and kept talking. katu wanted to interview her after she got arrested. she said she didn't feel well and i'm guessing she had a sore throat but she did talk to a reporter briefly on the phone and said "she felt disrespected by the entire incident." she felt disrespected. maybe she's innocent, i don't know. but am i the only one who has no sympathy for people who talk on their cell phones around other people loudly? how many times have you been on a plane or a bus or a train or a restaurant or a line or a taxi or just about anywhere these days and someone is yammering into their phone loudly and completely oblivious to those around them. i've heard lawyers talking about their clients. i've heard women revealing details about the date they had the night before. the idea of being trapped on a train for 16 hours with someone talking on a cell phone, to me it's much more creepy than anything alfred hitchcock could imagine. if there were cell phones in his day, "strangers on a train" would have been a much different movie. in 16 hours, you could watch the movie "throw momma from the train" 10.9 times in a row. you wouldn't be able to pay any attention to it, because cell phone lady would have been talking the whole way through it. but still, in 16 hours, you could watch 32 episodes of "soul train." or listen to the clash song "train in vein" approximately 320 times back-to-back. all of which i would rather do than listen to someone talking on their cell phone for 16 hours. it would almost be -- the way i see it, there are only a few viable reasons. please, people, stay off the phone when you're in public. it's rude and a sure fire way to get you on the "ridicu-list." a lot more ahead at the top of the hour. we'll be right back with the breaking news. ♪ [ slap! slap! slap! slap! slap! ] [ male announcer ] your favorite foods fighting you? fight back fast with tums. calcium rich tums goes to work in seconds. nothing works faster. ♪ tum tum tum tum tums your finances can't manage themselves. but that doesn't mean they won't try. bring all your finances together with the help of the one person who can. a certified financial planner professional. cfp. let's make a plan.

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of the household staff. >> he went on to say -- >> later, this statement from his wife -- >> there are additional details tonight. "the new york times" reporting tonight the child is a boy. he's now 14 and his mother, again, according to "the times," was pregnant with him at the tame seem maria shriver was pregnant with their youngest child. the boy was an occasional presence at the schwarzenegger home and there was rumors about schwarzenegger for years, stories of infidelity during his first campaign for governor he was accused of groping women. this is how he responded back then. >> i always say that wherever there's smoke, there's fire. that is true. and i want to say to you, yes, i have behaved badly sometimes. >> well, two days after he made that statement, maria shriver launched a public campaign supporting her husband in the campaign. >> so in the end, in these final 48, 72 hours, you can make a decision. you can listen to all the negativity and you can listen to people who have never met arnold or who met him for five seconds 30 years ago or you can listen to me. >> well, that was in october nearly eight years ago. what she apparently did not know then, and that we just learned today is that the child her husband fathered would have already been a toddler at the time or older if "the new york times" version is correct. two years before that, schwarzenegger was railing against single parenthood saying, i think the situation with single parenting is disastrous. he was talking mainly but not exclusively about poor inner city parents and kids. we'll talk about that tonight as well as why women stick with men despite warning signs. first, how we got here, what we know. in the state of california, in this morning's los angeles times, schwarzenegger fathered a child with household staff. the woman who had the affair and the child with schwarzenegger had worked for his family for about a decade at the time of the affair and only recently retired. a source told cnn that schwarzenegger financially supported the child since birth. when "the l.a. times" began asking questions, the mother said that another man, her husband at the time, was the father. she also said she was leaving her long-time job with the family because "i wanted to achieve my 20 years and i asked to retire." the staffer's cover story about the father fell awart when schwarzenegger paternity. the woman has had no further comment. allegations of affairs occasionally surfaced throughout his eight years in office, but none seem to threaten his marriage with maria shriver. schwarzenegger told his wife about the child after leaving office in january and since then they have effectively lived separate lives, according to "the l.a. times." he's been trying to revive his film career. interested in making sequeling to "the terminator" and he's globe trotted to benghazi with james cameron, to france, and to washington to participate in the conference on immigration with president obama. trips he took all reportedly without his wife. three weeks ago, the couple marked a milestone. 25 years of marriage. normally a call for celebration. but then last monday, they announced they were akicably separating. they released a statement that read in part -- this has been a time of great personal and professional transition for each of us. at this time, we're living apart while we work on the future of our relationship. a day after that announcement on tuesday, schwarzenegger seemed to suggest they were trying to work through issues. >> we both love each other very much. we have four extraordinary children and we're taking one day at a time. >> "the l.a. times" reports shriver was less optimistic. she had been unhappy in the marriage for years and was waiting for her husband's term to end before splitting. today's bombshell has only deepened the divide between the couple. shriver called the latest news heartbreaking and the couple's children also are speaking out on twitter. out of all the doubts and questions schwarzenegger's family must have had, one of the biggest is on the mind of a nation, how could he keep this secret for so long? joining us now is former l.a. times writer joe matthews, author of "the people's ma scene, arnold schwarzenegger and the rise of the blockbuster democracy." also joining us, jessica yellin and candy crowley. jessica, obviously long standing rumors of womanizing are one thing. a secret out of wedlock child is something else entirely. how big a surprise was this revelation? >> reporter: i've spoke on the a lot of insiders today who, to a person say, not that surprised. i'm sort of shocked by that. they say the fact that it was a housekeeper and the fact that there's a child is startling, but it was a general understanding he had a problem with womanizing and that it was sort of baked into his image and what people know about him, especially in his community in l.a. there are even people saying this is not going to hurt his movie career. men behaving badly seem to do okay. it will hurt any political aspirations. but he left office with an approval rating in the mid 20s. >> joe, you covered schwarzenegger for a long time. does it surprise you, and how did he manage to keep this underwraps so long? >> you had a situation where the woman was married at the time. he was married. both had a reason not to tell anyone. i don't think it's terribly surprising this was a secret for a long time. politicians, while we reporters love to think that we know all, we don't. we often know very little. and this was the case here. i think in this particular case, i was surprised by the announcement of a separation. these are two people who are very invested in this marriage. not just for all the personal reasons but because the narrative of the marriage, this marriage between two very different people who despite their problems and differences, managed to make it work. so they have a lot of reasons not to get divorced, not to split. but the news that he was involved with a woman who was not his wife was not surprising. this is not someone who has run as a public moralist or promised in politics to be faithful to his wife or was faithful in the past or would be in the future. this was not a bill clinton who wagged his finger. this is someone whose public and political persona was someone who was a little bit naughty. even in that 2003 campaign, you know, we saw that. >> right. candy, you were there. you covered the campaign at the time of those multiple groping allegations. a, does this surprise you? and does it surprise you that it was kept secret for so long time? >> reporter: well, it doesn't, for reasons just talked about. if you have people vested in keeping quiet, then they keep it quiet. so if you have a woman married to someone else, who is having his baby, she apparently was getting child support all of this time, perhaps there was an accountant involved somewhere along the line. but he also has a vested interest in staying quiet. there's a difference between the aggrieved women that "the l.a. times" reported in great deal, like five, six days, less than a week before the recall vote in california. and he had started a huge tour that day that we were on with lots of hollywood and stopping in several cities. and this story just came up that morning on the front page of "the times," and there was a story after that, as well. like 20 women or something and it was disgusting behavior. and he said no, he didn't do it. then he said, well, you know, it's hollywood and it's gyms and so i apologize to people who were offended. but the difference between those women and the mother of this child is that they were aggrieved and angry, and she obviously didn't even want to talk as late as yesterday. so, you know, again, it's not surprising. people don't want to talk, it's hard to find out. >> do we know how maria shriver is doing? >> reporter: i've been in touch with somebody who is close to her who said this is not adrift. leaving him was an act of an employered woman who knows what she wanted. and the bottom line there is look, this woman didn't stand by her man, but as a caveat, once this latest revelation happened and only after he left the governor's office. you know, there's been a lot of talk about her lately, because once she announced the split, there was a youtube video that came up where she talked about transition and the people close to her say, this is who she is, she's planning to pursue a journalism activism career, where she opens up and talks about raw emotions like this and this is what we should expect from her. there is a degree of shock that the topic is now maria shriver. so less than 24 hours after we find out about this shocking behavior by arnold schwarzenegger, there's so much focus on when did his wife know, rather than saying what he did was disgusting. he is to blame. >> joe, the vice chairman of the california democratic party is calling for an investigation into whether or not schwarzenegger used money from the campaign to silence women is. there something there? >> there's no particular reason to believe it, and this is a state with not a lot of money and has some pretty serious problems, probably doesn't want to spend a lot of time investigating what a former governor may or may not have done. there have been -- schwarzenegger is one of these people who is always attracted all kinds of stories and rumors. covering him was frustrating, because you would get two calls in an hour. one telling you about the strange things someone had seen him do in washington, d.c. and the next about the strange things someone seen him do across the street in sacramento. he couldn't have been in both places at the same time. so sort of a chase for all the familiars of this is unlikely, you know, unlikely to happen and and also, we know -- >> do we know how the story came out now. the woman involved didn't have a reason to bring it up and as latest yesterday i guess was telling one story to "the l.a. times," do we know how it got revealed? >> i don't know. >> okay. jessica, do you know? >> reporter: well, the read i'm getting is that they had a tip. "the times" knew something and was pushing it and schwarzenegger came out with a statement of his own. while the housekeeper didn't want to speak, schwarzenegger came clean and that opened this all up. >> jessica, candy, appreciate your time. joe, thank you. let us know what you think on facebook or twitter @ anderson cooper. up next, politics, power and fame, why so often it's lijed to infidelity. dr. drew weighs in. does the power lead to this behavior or something else? is the drive that propels some men to seek fame and power, does that lead them to cheat? we'll talk to him. later, breaking news. the man own the right now believed to be bin laden's successor. we'll tell you who he is and whether the new acting boss could be as dangerous or more dangerous as the old one. first, let's check in with isha sesay. what are you following? >> late word today from the battle in libya. an update for the fighting in misurata. what rebels are up against and reports of an attack on a nato warship. that and more ahead on "360." th. her morning begins with arthritis pain. that's a coffee and two pills. the afternoon tour begins with more pain and more pills. the evening guests arrive. back to sore knees. back to more pills. the day is done but hang on... her doctor recommended aleve. just 2 pills can keep arthritis pain away all day with fewer pills than tylenol. this is lara who chose 2 aleve and fewer pills for a day free of pain. and get the all day pain relief of aleve in liquid gels. time is running out to be one of the 10 people to win the chevrolet, buick, gmc or cadillac of your choice. just push your blue button and tell the advisor you want to enter to win a car. ♪ you don't even have to be an active subscriber. so push it now. before all 10 cars are gone. no purchase necessary. see rules at onstar.com to enter without a blue onstar button. sweepstakes ends may 31st. down the hill? man: all right. we were actually thinking, maybe... we're going to hike up here, so we'll catch up with you guys. 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"the new york times" reporting tonight the boy is is about 14-year-old. we've seen a lot of politicians caught cheating and lying about it, but arnold schwarzenegger's deception of his own family over the course of many years is pretty surprising. dr. drew pensky believes it's not the power and fame that leads men to cheat but the thing that drives some men to become famous or powerful is an impulse which also drives them to cheat sometimes. we'll explain that in a minute. but first, tom foreman and some of the other politicians we've seen who have done this, as well. >> reporter: even in the midst of this sex scandal, the former california governor has plenty of company. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> reporter: ever since president clinton was caught fooling around, cameras everywhere, and the public appetite for dirt have outed dozens of public figures for indiscretions. among republicans, such scandals have had particular impact. now presidential contender newt gingrich led the charge against clinton, but twice had affairs of his own. senators david vitter and then senator john ensign likewise have defended viv family values but he was linked to prostitutes. and when the governor of south carolina, mark sanford, was found with his mistress, not on the appalachian trail -- >> i've been unfaithful to my wife. >> i frankly didn't know where he was. >> reporter: and it's not as if republicans have cornered the market on indiscretion. >> because i did not want the public to know what i had done. very simple. >> reporter: john edwards talked to "nightline" about his affair with rielle hunter. she claimed they had a love child, something he at first denied. >> you flat out denied having a relationship with rielle hunter. did you give me a truthful answer then? >> yes. >> reporter: he later came clean and his wife, elizabeth, now deceased, left him and took their kids with her. eliot spitzer paid for escorts. former new jersey governor jim mcgreevey cheated with another man. but it's not just politics. in sports, brett favre and ben ross less berger were accused of but never charged with misconduct. tiger woods went into the rough over extramarital playing partners. >> i was unfaithful. i had affairs. >> reporter: and in entertainment, scandals have enveloped david letterman, george michael, and jesse james just to name a few. so schwarzenegger can take consolation knowing he's not alone. but then when you think about it, that was the whole problem. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> that's the what. for a closer look at the why, i spoke with dr. drew pensky. dr. drew, i've read some psychologists who say men with great power and status are more prone to affairs than the average person. is that really true? >> i think it probably is true, anderson, but it doesn't mean it's okay, and it doesn't mean the high profile or power status necessarily causes this. in fact, the research that i've done on celebrities and people in positions of power show something quite different. what it shows is the kind of person that strives to get themselves in those positions may have certain character liabilities that make them the kind of person prone to these transgressions. >> what's the correlation, the drive to achieve something and the impulse or whatever to cheat or to do stuff that's high risk? >> it's a topic we have talked about over the years, it's narcissism. if need to get pumped up from the environment to feel okay about yourself, so you have to keep getting positions of power to feel okay when you don't feel so good on the inside and narcissism has this liability of failure, which is people with narcissism don't perceive the consequences of their actions. particularly in those moment where is they have a powerful impulse, it's hard to predict the effects it's going to have on other people. >> that drive can apply to everybody who has a tv show. not everybody on tv acts out in this way, though. >> that's absolutely correct. the difference is that liability. my point is, and the part i find most disturbing is the public will rather be dismissive and say oh, guess what, somebody in a position of authority, some male who makes a lot of money is sacramentoing out sexually. yeah, we get that. but does it make it okay? it is not okay for many reasons. it says something deep about their personality functioning and value system. people they love are shattered by this, and we've heard so much of this these days. it's almost becoming normal and that background noise effects our kids. this is the warning i want to keep putting out. they need to discuss this with their children, this behavior is not okay. if they want to behave like this, they shouldn't take a vow and they should do all this before they get married or not get married. >> what i don't understand, though, i understand a famous person doing this, look, the behavior of somebody like charlie sheen. but somebody who is running for office, whose entire livelihood depends on being seen as being honest and making promises with the voters, to do this while you're running for office, we've seen it with john edwards, when eliot spitzer was governor, he had the problem that he had. why would somebody in political life, of all places, when you're under that microscope, do this? >> it boggles the mind, doesn't it, anderson? i would have two answers. one, is sometimes it's sexual addiction. just like with any other addiction, they're in denial, they don't really perceive the consequences of their actions. but more often than not, it is a sense of entitlement, of being special, of sort of being entitled to this sort of thing and some of the reasons they're in the position they're in makes them feel entitled. the fact is, they're just not. for those of us not to dismiss it, further enhances their sense of entitlement. >> is there a sense of -- does the danger of it, does the forbiddenness of it add to the appeal of it or the attraction of it for some of these people? >> for some of my patients, it is the intensity. with sex and love addicts, if you remember the south carolina governor that had the woman down in south america, that was classic love addiction. it's the intensity of the experience more off than not. >> you call it love addiction. isn't that just being in love? >> no, this is -- think about how wild that was. he never met her before, he developed this fantasy about who they were together. if you read about love addiction, that's a classic case. >> we got a question from a viewer in michigan. why do smart, successful women put up with it? which is obviously a good point. >> the fact is, when i was talking about it on my show today, the women that put it with up who was the spouse that got cheated upon and how about the women who do the cheating. we need to hold them accountable, as well. they often play a strong role in this dance we call infidelity. but the women that stand by the men, we should not be critical of them. in my word, i deal with quite a bit with sexual addiction. a significant majority of the partners with the sex addict will stay with that person and in treatment. that relationship can be restored. the situation with the schwarzeneggers, i would wish and hope they would stay together and get treatment and look to restitution of their relationship and their marriage. the problem here in their case, though, it sounds like this has been going on for some time and things have just hit their last straw. >> dr. drew, appreciate it. >> thanks, anderson. coming up, more breaking news. will the man on the right be the new leader of al qaeda? that's the word we're getting. he's been chosen caretaker leader of al qaeda. what we know about him, next. later, the head of the international monetary fund on suicide watch at new york jail. new details about how his lawyers are trying to get him out from behind bars. details ahead. call her. ok. 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[ horn honks ] while i took refuge from the pollen that made me sneeze. but with 24-hour zyrtec®, i get prescription strength relief from my worst allergy symptoms. so lily and i are back on the road again. with zyrtec® i can love the air®. breaking news tonight on al qaeda. al qaeda has appointed an acting leader following the death of osama bin laden. he's an egyptian named sail al adell, who has long played a prominent role in al qaeda. more details from fran townsend, a member of the homeland security and cia external advisory committees. and in washington, chris lawrence, who has new details on the raid that killed osama bin laden. fran, let's start with you. this guy appointed interim leader of al qaeda. what do we know about him? >> he's a well established senior person within the ranks of al qaeda. he goes back to pre9/11 being with bin laden in afghanistan. he was a trainer in training camps in afghanistan and somalia. he's indieted here in new york for the embassy bombings in africa in 1998. and he probably had knowledge of the "cole" bombing in 2000 in yemen. he goes back to the egyptian islamic jihad, responsible for the assassination of sadat. >> did he end up in prison with al zawahri? >> i don't know if they were in jail together. they were part of the same organization. it's likely they served in jail together. but i don't know for certain, anderson. so this is a guy who has spent a good deal of time, after americans started bombing in afghanistan, he fled to iran, with two of bin laden's sons. he was there with his wife and family for a number of years. it wasn't until the last year and a half or so that he got out of iran where he was held in sort of house arrest and went back to pakistan. so he's been a member of the military council. and he's got a lot of sort of military experience. >> is it still a possibility that al zawahri might have assumed the reigns of al qaeda? >> absolutely. members of al qaeda would swear allegiance to bin laden himself personally. so the new leader will have to have those senior members of the ruling council, and other members, swear allegiance to him. the question is, he doesn't have bin laden's charisma. he's known to be a difficult perp at. this allows him to shore up his political base inside al qaeda. >> chris, i want to turn to these new details you were getting about the raid that killed bin laden. what new details do you have? >> reporter: we have now learned that for every one of the about two dozen s.e.a.l.s that assaulted that compound, there was another s.e.a.l. close by as backup. remember when we heard that president obama had to update the plan because he wanted the s.e.a.l.s to be able to fight their way out of that compound, if necessary. now we know how many backups there were. we also know that the helos, both of those blackhawks were never meant to touch the ground. one was supposed to fast rope some s.e.a.l.s in the compound, but because they were so concerned about pakistan finding out about this mission, they used these stealth helicopters. one of them ran in trouble and clipped the edge of the wall. that's when they had to scramble the plan. originally, neither was supposed to touch ground, it was only supposed to take two minutes to get the s.e.a.l.s on the ground. they counting on the fact that because it's so close to a pakistan military base, people would think it was just the normal comings and goings of pakistani helicopters. there were also a dozen children without this compound and it took about 15 minutes to get to bin laden. the rest of the time spent trying to blow up that downed helicopter. >> there's also evidence to suggest that bin laden was planning attacks on the united states, right? >> reporter: exactly. that he was not only in the loop but he was actively trying to plan attack. one of them shows osama bin laden was in communication with the al qaeda group based in yemen. that's important, because it's that group that has planned many attacks recently on the united states. so think back to the failed attack on times square, that bomb last year. think of the plans to put explosives in printer cartridges on supply planes bound for the u.s. all of that was planned in yemen. now we know that osama bin laden was in contact with that group. what they're now trying to do is pinpoint where he was actually in contact with the group's leader. and when you look at some of the attacks planned for europe, osama bin laden's involvement seems to go even further. a u.s. official was telling us he was not only away and supportive of some of those attacks but "he was trying to motivate his operatives in europe. he was literally pushing them to try to attack americans in europe, anderson. >> interesting stuff. chris lawrence, appreciate the details. thanks, fran. just ahead, dominic strauss-kahn, head of the imf, a guy who was the likely the next president of france, on suicide watch tonight in new york. we'll have the latest on the sexual assault allegations against him. let's check in first with isha. >> levies along the mississippi river appear to be holding but water diverted to spare new orleans is still rising. here's what it looks like in morgan city, louisiana. lots of water where it's not supposed to be. john king saw it firsthand. >> reporter: this water is not supposed to be here. right now, up to my chest. if i walk out here, it drops off pretty quickly. as we go down this way. if you look at this deck, that's where the river is supposed to begin right there. and all of this land on this side would be dry. >> officials say flooding has forced more than 4,000 people in louisiana and 5,000 in mississippi from their homes. in libya, seven people were reported killed in fighting in misurata with dozens wounded. meantime, nato denied a state television report that libyan armed forces struck a nato warship during a shelling exchange. state police in maine are trying to identify the body of a young boy found near the maine-new hampshire border over the weekend. they said they were exploring a possible military connection and released a photograph of the boy's shoes, black sneakers with pictures of a character from the film "cars." and britain's queen elizabeth ii laid a wreath in dublin's garden of remembrance. she's the first british monarch to visit since 1921. >> i had no idea. that's amazing. >> it is amazing and touching scenes today in the garden of remembrance. >> isha, thanks. a quick program note on a story we've been following. he she attracted worldwide attention. she's now living free in exile and talked to cnn about what it's like to have left libya, to have escaped and what she feels. that's form on "360." nic robertson's full interview with her. here's a preview. >> translator: i was telling myself to defy them. these animals cannot sleep without punishment. i must speak out no matter how much people will talk about me and would blame me and ask how could a libyan woman and 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assault case against him in america. and tonight, growing pressure on him to step down from the imf. the former french finance minister is accused of sexually assaulting and trying to rape a maid in his new york hotel suite over the weekend. he was denied bail and being held in jail on reitgers island. i talked earlier. what is the latest that we know about the alleged victim? >> we know that she has a 15-year-old daughter. she's been working at the hotel for about 2 1/2 years. she was there legally. the lawyer describes her as a woman who is dignified, intelligent, somebody who got along well with supervisors and her co-workers. the lawyer also says when i asked, was this consensual, could this have been consensual as the defense attorneys seem to suggest, saying this was not a forced encounter, the lawyers said no, she's afraid to go home, afraid to go to work and her future is uncertain right now, anderson. >> and she comes from west africa, correct, and she has a good employment record, correct? >> exactly, exactly. >> sonny, yesterday the defense seemed to suggest that the assault maybe never happened, he had an alibi. in court they imply that the sex did occur but that it was consensual. what do you make of that morphing of the defense strategy? >> this is a very fluid situation. in a case like this, anderson, where only two people were in the room, there are no other witnesses, the only two defenses is one, it's consensual, or two there's an alibi and it never happened. so it's not unusual for the defense strategy to be evolving and changing. >> deb, do we know anything about forensic evidence? in a case where there's just two people, that would believe important. do we know if there is forensic evidence? >> there is forensic evidence. one prosecutor said who's interesting is while the presence of semen, it doesn't show that there was a forced encounter of any kind. they will be presented to a grand jury. we're being told that the grand jury is going to be listening to this case and deciding whether to vote by friday as to whether this should go forward, anderson. >> what do we now know about this young journalist in france who accused dominic strauss-kahn of assaulting her, is she pressing charges? >> she's looking into the charges. she's been quoted as saying she should have gone forward with this at the time it occurred. the big question now, is everybody is watching to see whether other women step forward to say something happened to them. when you have something high profile like this, there's always a possibility it could trigger a waterfall almost, anderson. >> sonny, what's the next step in terms of the legal process? >> as deb mentioned, i'm hearing also that the grand jury has been convened and is determining whether or not they will indict him. may 20th is the control date, and that mean it is he has been indicted, the charges will be read and he will enter a plea of guilty or not guilty. if he has not been indicted, they will set another date. there's no question that this friday the defense will reapply for bail. they're going to try to come up with a situation that is palletable for the prosecution and the court so that he is no longer being held at reitgers island. that may include a $1 million to $2 million bail, or an ankle monitoring bracelet. some sort of situation that gets him out of reitgers. that is going to be their top priority. >> deb, he has a daughter i think who lives in new york. so it could be that he has to stay in the city. would that be a possibility? >> absolutely. he could stay in the city. right now we are told -- obviously he's at reitgers. he did that one visitor. we are also told, anderson, that he was put on a suicide watch. doesn't mean he's suicidal, but because he's such high profile, he's used to meeting with prime ministers and presidents. he's isolated now by himself. so as a precaution, they have put him on suicide watch and checking on him about every 15 minutes. >> it's unbelievable. thank you very much. as sonny said, getting dominic strauss-kahn out of jail would be a top priority for his lawyers on friday. this is a man "forbes" magazine named one of the most powerful people. to say his life has changed dramatically barely begins to capture it. we have new details about what he's facing right now at reitgers. >> reporter: inside these walls, dominic strauss-kahn now spends his day in an 11 x 13 foot cell. most share barracks with about 50 beds in them. because of his high profile, he's separated from other inmates. it's a far cry from the luxury suite at new york's hotel where he stayed before his arrest, with some rooms going as much as $3,000. while guests there were offered a breakfast choice of a five-ounce steak with eggs, with a morning cocktail such as a $20 glass of champagne, breakfast at reitgers consists of one apple and banana, a box of mini cheat cereal, milk, coffee or tea. he will be eating alone and won't have contact with other prisoners who number 13,000 to 14,000 on any given day. the attorney says things have changed since the early '90s. >> its name is synonymous in popular culture with brutality, with corruption, with jailbreaks, with people banging cups on bars. none of which is true anymore. but it still exercises a very powerful hold on the imagination. >> reporter: most of the inmates there are waiting to go on trail and can range from drug dealers to murderers. mark david chapman, who killed john lennon, was once held there. so was david burkewitz. dominic strauss-kahn is able to leave his jail cell and can go outside for an hour a day. but will be escorted by a corrections officer. inside, he's allowed to periodically walk around his housing area corridor where he can watch tv. >> everything is difficult. and the most difficult thing i think for any particular person is to deal with the dehumanization, because you're just one of 13,000 people, and to deal with being cut off from the outside world. >> in his first day at likers, he had one visitor. inmates can have up to three people per visit, not including attorneys who are given access to their clients any given day. mary snow, cnn, this morning. still ahead, bernie madoff is serving more than 100 years, but his assets are up on the auction block. and don't you hate it when people talk loudly on their cell phones in a restaurant or on a plane? tonight, this story winds up one woman on the "ridicu-list." a 16-hour cell phone conversation. we'll tell you where she was chatting it up. 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own wife, his other children. we learned today it was the spral reason why schwarzenegger and maria shriver, seen here in better times, announced their separation last week after 25 years of marriage. schwarzenegger today admitted he fathered a child with a member of the household staff. >> he went on to say -- >> later, this statement from his wife -- >> there are additional details tonight. "the new york times" reporting tonight the child is a boy. he's now 14 and his mother, again, according to "the times," was pregnant with him at the tame seem maria shriver was pregnant with their youngest child. the boy was an occasional presence at the schwarzenegger home and there was rumors about schwarzenegger for years, stories of infidelity during his first campaign for governor he was accused of groping women. this is how he responded back then. >> i always say that wherever there's smoke, there's fire. that is true. and i want to say to you, yes, i have behaved badly sometimes. >> well, two days after he made that statement, maria shriver launched a public campaign supporting her husband in the campaign. >> so in the end, in these final 48, 72 hours, you can make a decision. you can listen to all the negativity and you can listen to people who have never met arnold or who met him for five seconds 30 years ago or you can listen to me. >> well, that was in october nearly eight years ago. what she apparently did not know then, and that we just learned today is that the child her husband fathered would have already been a toddler at the time or older if "the new york times" version is correct. two years before that, schwarzenegger was railing against single parenthood saying, i think the situation with single parenting is disastrous. he was talking mainly but not exclusively about poor inner city parents and kids. we'll talk about that tonight as well as why women stick with men despite warning signs. first, how we got here, what we know. in the state of california, in this morning's los angeles times, schwarzenegger fathered a child with household staff. the woman who had the affair and the child with schwarzenegger had worked for his family for about a decade at the time of the affair and only recently retired. a source told cnn that schwarzenegger financially supported the child since birth. when "the l.a. times" began asking questions, the mother said that another man, her husband at the time, was the father. she also said she was leaving her long-time job with the family because "i wanted to achieve my 20 years and i asked to retire." the staffer's cover story about the father fell awart when schwarzenegger paternity. the woman has had no further comment. allegations of affairs occasionally surfaced throughout his eight years in office, but none seem to threaten his marriage with maria shriver. schwarzenegger told his wife about the child after leaving office in january and since then they have effectively lived separate lives, according to "the l.a. times." he's been trying to revive his film career. interested in making sequeling to "the terminator" and he's globe trotted to benghazi with james cameron, to france, and to washington to participate in the conference on immigration with president obama. trips he took all reportedly without his wife. three weeks ago, the couple marked a milestone. 25 years of marriage. normally a call for celebration. but then last monday, they announced they were akicably separating. they released a statement that read in part -- this has been a time of great personal and professional transition for each of us. at this time, we're living apart while we work on the future of our relationship. a day after that announcement on tuesday, schwarzenegger seemed to suggest they were trying to work through issues. >> we both love each other very much. we have four extraordinary children and we're taking one day at a time. >> "the l.a. times" reports shriver was less optimistic. she had been unhappy in the marriage for years and was waiting for her husband's term to end before splitting. today's bombshell has only deepened the divide between the couple. shriver called the latest news heartbreaking and the couple's children also are speaking out on twitter. out of all the doubts and questions schwarzenegger's family must have had, one of the biggest is on the mind of a nation, how could he keep this secret for so long? joining us now is former l.a. times writer joe matthews, author of "the people's ma scene, arnold schwarzenegger and the rise of the blockbuster democracy." also joining us, jessica yellin and candy crowley. jessica, obviously long standing rumors of womanizing are one thing. a secret out of wedlock child is something else entirely. how big a surprise was this revelation? >> reporter: i've spoke on the a lot of insiders today who, to a person say, not that surprised. i'm sort of shocked by that. they say the fact that it was a housekeeper and the fact that there's a child is startling, but it was a general understanding he had a problem with womanizing and that it was sort of baked into his image and what people know about him, especially in his community in l.a. there are even people saying this is not going to hurt his movie career. men behaving badly seem to do okay. it will hurt any political aspirations. but he left office with an approval rating in the mid 20s. >> joe, you covered schwarzenegger for a long time. does it surprise you, and how did he manage to keep this underwraps so long? >> you had a situation where the woman was married at the time. he was married. both had a reason not to tell anyone. i don't think it's terribly surprising this was a secret for a long time. politicians, while we reporters love to think that we know all, we don't. we often know very little. and this was the case here. i think in this particular case, i was surprised by the announcement of a separation. these are two people who are very invested in this marriage. not just for all the personal reasons but because the narrative of the marriage, this marriage between two very different people who despite their problems and differences, managed to make it work. so they have a lot of reasons not to get divorced, not to split. but the news that he was involved with a woman who was not his wife was not surprising. this is not someone who has run as a public moralist or promised in politics to be faithful to his wife or was faithful in the past or would be in the future. this was not a bill clinton who wagged his finger. this is someone whose public and political persona was someone who was a little bit naughty. even in that 2003 campaign, you know, we saw that. >> right. candy, you were there. you covered the campaign at the time of those multiple groping allegations. a, does this surprise you? and does it surprise you that it was kept secret for so long time? >> reporter: well, it doesn't, for reasons just talked about. if you have people vested in keeping quiet, then they keep it quiet. so if you have a woman married to someone else, who is having his baby, she apparently was getting child support all of this time, perhaps there was an accountant involved somewhere along the line. but he also has a vested interest in staying quiet. there's a difference between the aggrieved women that "the l.a. times" reported in great deal, like five, six days, less than a week before the recall vote in california. and he had started a huge tour that day that we were on with lots of hollywood and stopping in several cities. and this story just came up that morning on the front page of "the times," and there was a story after that, as well. like 20 women or something and it was disgusting behavior. and he said no, he didn't do it. then he said, well, you know, it's hollywood and it's gyms and so i apologize to people who were offended. but the difference between those women and the mother of this child is that they were aggrieved and angry, and she obviously didn't even want to talk as late as yesterday. so, you know, again, it's not surprising. people don't want to talk, it's hard to find out. >> do we know how maria shriver is doing? >> reporter: i've been in touch with somebody who is close to her who said this is not adrift. leaving him was an act of an employered woman who knows what she wanted. and the bottom line there is look, this woman didn't stand by her man, but as a caveat, once this latest revelation happened and only after he left the governor's office. you know, there's been a lot of talk about her lately, because once she announced the split, there was a youtube video that came up where she talked about transition and the people close to her say, this is who she is, she's planning to pursue a journalism activism career, where she opens up and talks about raw emotions like this and this is what we should expect from her. there is a degree of shock that the topic is now maria shriver. so less than 24 hours after we find out about this shocking behavior by arnold schwarzenegger, there's so much focus on when did his wife know, rather than saying what he did was disgusting. he is to blame. >> joe, the vice chairman of the california democratic party is calling for an investigation into whether or not schwarzenegger used money from the campaign to silence women is. there something there? >> there's no particular reason to believe it, and this is a state with not a lot of money and has some pretty serious problems, probably doesn't want to spend a lot of time investigating what a former governor may or may not have done. there have been -- schwarzenegger is one of these people who is always attracted all kinds of stories and rumors. covering him was frustrating, because you would get two calls in an hour. one telling you about the strange things someone had seen him do in washington, d.c. and the next about the strange things someone seen him do across the street in sacramento. he couldn't have been in both places at the same time. so sort of a chase for all the familiars of this is unlikely, you know, unlikely to happen and and also, we know -- >> do we know how the story came out now. the woman involved didn't have a reason to bring it up and as latest yesterday i guess was telling one story to "the l.a. times," do we know how it got revealed? >> i don't know. >> okay. jessica, do you know? >> reporter: well, the read i'm getting is that they had a tip. "the times" knew something and was pushing it and schwarzenegger came out with a statement of his own. while the housekeeper didn't want to speak, schwarzenegger came clean and that opened this all up. >> jessica, candy, appreciate your time. joe, thank you. let us know what you think on facebook or twitter @ anderson cooper. up next, politics, power and fame, why so often it's lijed to infidelity. dr. drew weighs in. does the power lead to this behavior or something else? is the drive that propels some men to seek fame and power, does that lead them to cheat? we'll talk to him. later, breaking news. the man own the right now believed to be bin laden's successor. we'll tell you who he is and whether the new acting boss could be as dangerous or more dangerous as the old one. first, let's check in with isha sesay. what are you following? >> late word today from the battle in libya. an update for the fighting in misurata. what rebels are up against and reports of an attack on a nato warship. that and more ahead on "360." that's a coffee and two pills. the afternoon tour begins with more pain and more pills. the evening guests arrive. back to sore knees. back to more pills. the day is done but hang on... her doctor recommended aleve. just 2 pills can keep arthritis pain away all day with fewer pills than tylenol. this is lara who chose 2 aleve and fewer pills for a day free of pain. and get the all day pain relief of aleve in liquid gels. and fewer pills for a day free of pain. naomi pryce: i am. i'm in the name your own price division. i find empty hotel rooms and help people save - >> - up to 60% off. i am familiar. your name? > naomi pryce. >> what other "negotiating" skills do you have? > i'm a fifth-degree black belt. >> as am i. > i'm fluent in 37 languages. >> (indistinct clicking) > and i'm a master of disguise >> as am i. > as am i. >> as am i. > as am i. >> well played naomi pryce. breaking news tonight. new details that arnold schwarzenegger fathered a child out of wedlock. "the new york times" reporting tonight the boy is is about 14-year-old. we've seen a lot of politicians caught cheating and lying about it, but arnold schwarzenegger's deception of his own family over the course of many years is pretty surprising. dr. drew pensky believes it's not the power and fame that leads men to cheat but the thing that drives some men to become famous or powerful is an impulse which also drives them to cheat sometimes. we'll explain that in a minute. but first, tom foreman and some of the other politicians we've seen who have done this, as well. >> reporter: even in the midst of this sex scandal, the former california governor has plenty of company. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> reporter: ever since president clinton was caught fooling around, cameras everywhere, and the public appetite for dirt have outed dozens of public figures for indiscretions. among republicans, such scandals have had particular impact. now presidential contender newt gingrich led the charge against clinton, but twice had affairs of his own. senators david vitter and then senator john ensign likewise have defended viv family values but he was linked to prostitutes. and when the governor of south carolina, mark sanford, was found with his mistress, not on the appalachian trail -- >> i've been unfaithful to my wife. >> i frankly didn't know where he was. >> reporter: and it's not as if republicans have cornered the market on indiscretion. >> because i did not want the public to know what i had done. very simple. >> reporter: john edwards talked to "nightline" about his affair with rielle hunter. she claimed they had a love child, something he at first denied. >> you flat out denied having a relationship with rielle hunter. did you give me a truthful answer then? >> yes. >> reporter: he later came clean and his wife, elizabeth, now deceased, left him and took their kids with her. eliot spitzer paid for escorts. former new jersey governor jim mcgreevey cheated with another man. but it's not just politics. in sports, brett favre and ben ross less berger were accused of but never charged with misconduct. tiger woods went into the rough over extramarital playing partners. >> i was unfaithful. i had affairs. >> reporter: and in entertainment, scandals have enveloped david letterman, george michael, and jesse james just to name a few. so schwarzenegger can take consolation knowing he's not alone. but then when you think about it, that was the whole problem. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> that's the what. for a closer look at the why, i spoke with dr. drew pensky. dr. drew, i've read some psychologists who say men with great power and status are more prone to affairs than the average person. is that really true? >> i think it probably is true, anderson, but it doesn't mean it's okay, and it doesn't mean the high profile or power status necessarily causes this. in fact, the research that i've done on celebrities and people in positions of power show something quite different. what it shows is the kind of person that strives to get themselves in those positions may have certain character liabilities that make them the kind of person prone to these transgressions. >> what's the correlation, the drive to achieve something and the impulse or whatever to cheat or to do stuff that's high risk? >> it's a topic we have talked about over the years, it's narcissism. if need to get pumped up from the environment to feel okay about yourself, so you have to keep getting positions of power to feel okay when you don't feel so good on the inside and narcissism has this liability of failure, which is people with narcissism don't perceive the consequences of their actions. particularly in those moment where is they have a powerful impulse, it's hard to predict the effects it's going to have on other people. >> that drive can apply to everybody who has a tv show. not everybody on tv acts out in this way, though. >> that's absolutely correct. the difference is that liability. my point is, and the part i find most disturbing is the public will rather be dismissive and say oh, guess what, somebody in a position of authority, some male who makes a lot of money is sacramentoing out sexually. yeah, we get that. but does it make it okay? it is not okay for many reasons. it says something deep about their personality functioning and value system. people they love are shattered by this, and we've heard so much of this these days. it's almost becoming normal and that background noise effects our kids. this is the warning i want to keep putting out. they need to discuss this with their children, this behavior is not okay. if they want to behave like this, they shouldn't take a vow and they should do all this before they get married or not get married. >> what i don't understand, though, i understand a famous person doing this, look, the behavior of somebody like charlie sheen. but somebody who is running for office, whose entire livelihood depends on being seen as being honest and making promises with the voters, to do this while you're running for office, we've seen it with john edwards, when eliot spitzer was governor, he had the problem that he had. why would somebody in political life, of all places, when you're under that microscope, do this? >> it boggles the mind, doesn't it, anderson? i would have two answers. one, is sometimes it's sexual addiction. just like with any other addiction, they're in denial, they don't really perceive the consequences of their actions. but more often than not, it is a sense of entitlement, of being special, of sort of being entitled to this sort of thing and some of the reasons they're in the position they're in makes them feel entitled. the fact is, they're just not. for those of us not to dismiss it, further enhances their sense of entitlement. >> is there a sense of -- does the danger of it, does the forbiddenness of it add to the appeal of it or the attraction of it for some of these people? >> for some of my patients, it is the intensity. with sex and love addicts, if you remember the south carolina governor that had the woman down in south america, that was classic love addiction. it's the intensity of the experience more off than not. >> you call it love addiction. isn't that just being in love? >> no, this is -- think about how wild that was. he never met her before, he developed this fantasy about who they were together. if you read about love addiction, that's a classic case. >> we got a question from a viewer in michigan. why do smart, successful women put up with it? which is obviously a good point. >> the fact is, when i was talking about it on my show today, the women that put it with up who was the spouse that got cheated upon and how about the women who do the cheating. we need to hold them accountable, as well. they often play a strong role in this dance we call infidelity. but the women that stand by the men, we should not be critical of them. in my word, i deal with quite a bit with sexual addiction. a significant majority of the partners with the sex addict will stay with that person and in treatment. that relationship can be restored. the situation with the schwarzeneggers, i would wish and hope they would stay together and get treatment and look to restitution of their relationship and their marriage. the problem here in their case, though, it sounds like this has been going on for some time and things have just hit their last straw. >> dr. drew, appreciate it. >> thanks, anderson. coming up, more breaking news. will the man on the right be the new leader of al qaeda? that's the word we're getting. he's been chosen caretaker leader of al qaeda. what we know about him, next. later, the head of the international monetary fund on suicide watch at new york jail. new details about how his lawyers are trying to get him out from behind bars. details ahead. building up our wireless network all across america. we're adding new cell sites... increasing network capacity, and investing billions of dollars to improve your wireless network experience. from a single phone call to the most advanced data download, we're covering more people in more places than ever before in an effort to give you the best network possible. at&t. rethink possible. breaking news tonight on al qaeda. al qaeda has appointed an acting leader following the death of osama bin laden. he's an egyptian named sail al adell, who has long played a prominent role in al qaeda. more details from fran townsend, a member of the homeland security and cia external advisory committees. and in washington, chris lawrence, who has new details on the raid that killed osama bin laden. fran, let's start with you. this guy appointed interim leader of al qaeda. what do we know about him? >> he's a well established senior person within the ranks of al qaeda. he goes back to pre9/11 being with bin laden in afghanistan. he was a trainer in training camps in afghanistan and somalia. he's indieted here in new york for the embassy bombings in africa in 1998. and he probably had knowledge of the "cole" bombing in 2000 in yemen. he goes back to the egyptian islamic jihad, responsible for the assassination of sadat. >> did he end up in prison with al zawahri? >> i don't know if they were in jail together. they were part of the same organization. it's likely they served in jail together. but i don't know for certain, anderson. so this is a guy who has spent a good deal of time, after americans started bombing in afghanistan, he fled to iran, with two of bin laden's sons. he was there with his wife and family for a number of years. it wasn't until the last year and a half or so that he got out of iran where he was held in sort of house arrest and went back to pakistan. so he's been a member of the military council. and he's got a lot of sort of military experience. >> is it still a possibility that al zawahri might have assumed the reigns of al qaeda? >> absolutely. members of al qaeda would swear allegiance to bin laden himself personally. so the new leader will have to have those senior members of the ruling council, and other members, swear allegiance to him. the question is, he doesn't have bin laden's charisma. he's known to be a difficult perp at. this allows him to shore up his political base inside al qaeda. >> chris, i want to turn to these new details you were getting about the raid that killed bin laden. what new details do you have? >> reporter: we have now learned that for every one of the about two dozen s.e.a.l.s that assaulted that compound, there was another s.e.a.l. close by as backup. remember when we heard that president obama had to update the plan because he wanted the s.e.a.l.s to be able to fight their way out of that compound, if necessary. now we know how many backups there were. we also know that the helos, both of those blackhawks were never meant to touch the ground. one was supposed to fast rope some s.e.a.l.s in the compound, but because they were so concerned about pakistan finding out about this mission, they used these stealth helicopters. one of them ran in trouble and clipped the edge of the wall. that's when they had to scramble the plan. originally, neither was supposed to touch ground, it was only supposed to take two minutes to get the s.e.a.l.s on the ground. they counting on the fact that because it's so close to a pakistan military base, people would think it was just the normal comings and goings of pakistani helicopters. there were also a dozen children without this compound and it took about 15 minutes to get to bin laden. the rest of the time spent trying to blow up that downed helicopter. >> there's also evidence to suggest that bin laden was planning attacks on the united states, right? >> reporter: exactly. that he was not only in the loop but he was actively trying to plan attack. one of them shows osama bin laden was in communication with the al qaeda group based in yemen. that's important, because it's that group that has planned many attacks recently on the united states. so think back to the failed attack on times square, that bomb last year. think of the plans to put explosives in printer cartridges on supply planes bound for the u.s. all of that was planned in yemen. now we know that osama bin laden was in contact with that group. what they're now trying to do is pinpoint where he was actually in contact with the group's leader. and when you look at some of the attacks planned for europe, osama bin laden's involvement seems to go even further. a u.s. official was telling us he was not only away and supportive of some of those attacks but "he was trying to motivate his operatives in europe. he was literally pushing them to try to attack americans in europe, anderson. >> interesting stuff. chris lawrence, appreciate the details. thanks, fran. just ahead, dominic strauss-kahn, head of the imf, a guy who was the likely the next president of france, on suicide watch tonight in new york. we'll have the latest on the sexual assault allegations against him. let's check in first with isha. >> levies along the mississippi river appear to be holding but water diverted to spare new orleans is still rising. here's what it looks like in morgan city, louisiana. lots of water where it's not supposed to be. john king saw it firsthand. >> reporter: this water is not supposed to be here. right now, up to my chest. if i walk out here, it drops off pretty quickly. as we go down this way. if you look at this deck, that's where the river is supposed to begin right there. and all of this land on this side would be dry. >> officials say flooding has forced more than 4,000 people in louisiana and 5,000 in mississippi from their homes. in libya, seven people were reported killed in fighting in misurata with dozens wounded. meantime, nato denied a state television report that libyan armed forces struck a nato warship during a shelling exchange. state police in maine are trying to identify the body of a young boy found near the maine-new hampshire border over the weekend. they said they were exploring a possible military connection and released a photograph of the boy's shoes, black sneakers with pictures of a character from the film "cars." and britain's queen elizabeth ii laid a wreath in dublin's garden of remembrance. she's the first british monarch to visit since 1921. >> i had no idea. that's amazing. >> it is amazing and touching scenes today in the garden of remembrance. >> isha, thanks. a quick program note on a story we've been following. he she attracted worldwide attention. she's now living free in exile and talked to cnn about what it's like to have left libya, to have escaped and what she feels. that's form on "360." nic robertson's full interview with her. here's a preview. >> translator: i was telling myself to defy them. these animals cannot sleep without punishment. i must speak out no matter how much people will talk about me and would blame me and ask how could a libyan woman and a muslim go on the media and say this. all this did not matter to me. >> we'll have nic's full interview tomorrow on "360." still ahead, new details about the woman allegedly attacked by dominic strauss-kahn, the head of the international monetary fund. plus, what he's facing inside new york's jail tonight. he's on suicide watch awaiting his next court date. more details, ahead. ♪ ♪ membership rewards points from american express. they're a social currency with endless possibilities. like every single american airlines flight. orbitz doesn't have them. but you'll find all 3,400 of them at aa.com. every day. rite gers rite ge international monetary fund says its chief, dominic strauss-kahn, does not have diplomatic immunity in the sexual assault case against him in america. and tonight, growing pressure on him to step down from the imf. the former french finance minister is accused of sexually assaulting and trying to rape a maid in his new york hotel suite over the weekend. he was denied bail and being held in jail on reitgers island. i talked earlier. what is the latest that we know about the alleged victim? >> we know that she has a 15-year-old daughter. she's been working at the hotel for about 2 1/2 years. she was there legally. the lawyer describes her as a woman who is dignified, intelligent, somebody who got along well with supervisors and her co-workers. the lawyer also says when i asked, was this consensual, could this have been consensual as the defense attorneys seem to suggest, saying this was not a forced encounter, the lawyers said no, she's afraid to go home, afraid to go to work and her future is uncertain right now, anderson. >> and she comes from west africa, correct, and she has a good employment record, correct? >> exactly, exactly. >> sonny, yesterday the defense seemed to suggest that the assault maybe never happened, he had an alibi. in court they imply that the sex did occur but that it was consensual. what do you make of that morphing of the defense strategy? >> this is a very fluid situation. in a case like this, anderson, where only two people were in the room, there are no other witnesses, the only two defenses is one, it's consensual, or two there's an alibi and it never happened. so it's not unusual for the defense strategy to be evolving and changing. >> deb, do we know anything about forensic evidence? in a case where there's just two people, that would believe important. do we know if there is forensic evidence? >> there is forensic evidence. one prosecutor said who's interesting is while the presence of semen, it doesn't show that there was a forced encounter of any kind. they will be presented to a grand jury. we're being told that the grand jury is going to be listening to this case and deciding whether to vote by friday as to whether this should go forward, anderson. >> what do we now know about this young journalist in france who accused dominic strauss-kahn of assaulting her, is she pressing charges? >> she's looking into the charges. she's been quoted as saying she should have gone forward with this at the time it occurred. the big question now, is everybody is watching to see whether other women step forward to say something happened to them. when you have something high profile like this, there's always a possibility it could trigger a waterfall almost, anderson. >> sonny, what's the next step in terms of the legal process? >> as deb mentioned, i'm hearing also that the grand jury has been convened and is determining whether or not they will indict him. may 20th is the control date, and that mean it is he has been indicted, the charges will be read and he will enter a plea of guilty or not guilty. if he has not been indicted, they will set another date. there's no question that this friday the defense will reapply for bail. they're going to try to come up with a situation that is palletable for the prosecution and the court so that he is no longer being held at reitgers island. that may include a $1 million to $2 million bail, or an ankle monitoring bracelet. some sort of situation that gets him out of reitgers. that is going to be their top priority. >> deb, he has a daughter i think who lives in new york. so it could be that he has to stay in the city. would that be a possibility? >> absolutely. he could stay in the city. right now we are told -- obviously he's at reitgers. he did that one visitor. we are also told, anderson, that he was put on a suicide watch. doesn't mean he's suicidal, but because he's such high profile, he's used to meeting with prime ministers and presidents. he's isolated now by himself. so as a precaution, they have put him on suicide watch and checking on him about every 15 minutes. >> it's unbelievable. thank you very much. as sonny said, getting dominic strauss-kahn out of jail would be a top priority for his lawyers on friday. this is a man "forbes" magazine named one of the most powerful people. to say his life has changed dramatically barely begins to capture it. we have new details about what he's facing right now at reitgers. >> reporter: inside these walls, dominic strauss-kahn now spends his day in an 11 x 13 foot cell. most share barracks with about 50 beds in them. because of his high profile, he's separated from other inmates. it's a far cry from the luxury suite at new york's hotel where he stayed before his arrest, with some rooms going as much as $3,000. while guests there were offered a breakfast choice of a five-ounce steak with eggs, with a morning cocktail such as a $20 glass of champagne, breakfast at reitgers consists of one apple and banana, a box of mini cheat cereal, milk, coffee or tea. he will be eating alone and won't have contact with other prisoners who number 13,000 to 14,000 on any given day. the attorney says things have changed since the early '90s. >> its name is synonymous in popular culture with brutality, with corruption, with jailbreaks, with people banging cups on bars. none of which is true anymore. but it still exercises a very powerful hold on the imagination. >> reporter: most of the inmates there are waiting to go on trail and can range from drug dealers to murderers. mark david chapman, who killed john lennon, was once held there. so was david burkewitz. dominic strauss-kahn is able to leave his jail cell and can go outside for an hour a day. but will be escorted by a corrections officer. inside, he's allowed to periodically walk around his housing area corridor where he can watch tv. >> everything is difficult. and the most difficult thing i think for any particular person is to deal with the dehumanization, because you're just one of 13,000 people, and to deal with being cut off from the outside world. >> in his first day at likers, he had one visitor. inmates can have up to three people per visit, not including attorneys who are given access to their clients any given day. mary snow, cnn, this morning. still ahead, bernie madoff is serving more than 100 years, but his assets are up on the auction block. and don't you hate it when people talk loudly on their cell phones in a restaurant or on a plane? tonight, this story winds up one woman on the "ridicu-list." a 16-hour cell phone conversation. we'll tell you where she was chatting it up. in 2011, at&t is, building up our wireless network all across america. we're adding new cell sites... increasing network capacity, and investing billions of dollars to improve your wireless network experience. from a single phone call to the most advanced data download, we're covering more people in more places than ever before in an effort to give you the best network possible. at&t. rethink possible. we devote every second of every day figuring out how to give our clients a better mortgage. maybe that's why j.d. power and associates ranked us "highest in customer satisfaction in the united states." so, we thought we'd take a little time to celebrate. ♪ all right, then, back to work helping clients. individual attention from our highly-trained mortgage professionals. one more way quicken loans is engineered to amaze. coming up, the "ridicu-list." the lady who was arrested after talking for 16 hours on her cell phone on an amtrak train. but first, isha sesay has a "360" news and business bulletin. u.s. officials say more sanctions will be announced against syria in the next 48 hours. doesn't matter if the new pressure get syria to stop its violent crackdown on peaceful tests. george soros dumped nearly $800 million in gold during the first quarter as it soared to record heights. and it's your chance to get a bottle from bernie madoff's booze collection. bidding begins tomorrow on nearly 300 bottles of wine and i will -- liquor. do you like your wine, mr. cooper? >> i mean, a glass now and then. but i know nothing about wine. i get so nervous in the restaurant when you're supposed to know and i have no idea. >> that's all right. >> i leave it up to the waiter. >> there's a fine wine back here. great starting price. >> how much is that? >> $3,200. but you get six bottles for that, they tell me. >> six bottles for $3,000? >> look, don't shoot the messenger. i'm only imparting the information to you. >> i'm going to hang out with kathy griffin's mom and drink it by the box. time now for the "ridicu-list." tonight, we're adding a woman named la'keshia beard. according to authorities, she talked loudly on her cell phone while on an amtrak train for 16 hours. police say cell phone lady started talking in oakland, california, and did not stop until she was escorted off said train in salem, oregon, 16 hours later. what can someone possibly talk about for 16 hours? even if i had been held captive 20 years and was seeing my family for the first time, i could fill maybe an hour or two, but 16? she was taken off the train and charged with disorderly contact. that's right, she got charged, just like her cell phone. and cell phone lady was riding in one of amtrak's designated quiet cars. sure, if you're going to be yapping, who wants to be surrounded by others? when other passengers complained to cell phone lady, she got into a verbal altercation and kept talking. katu wanted to interview her after she got arrested. she said she didn't feel well and i'm guessing she had a sore throat but she did talk to a reporter briefly on the phone and said "she felt disrespected by the entire incident." she felt disrespected. maybe she's innocent, i don't know. but am i the only one who has no sympathy for people who talk on their cell phones around other people loudly? how many times have you been on a plane or a bus or a train or a restaurant or a line or a taxi or just about anywhere these days and someone is yammering into their phone loudly and completely oblivious to those around them. i've heard lawyers talking about their clients. i've heard women revealing details about the date they had the night before. the idea of being trapped on a train for 16 hours with someone talking on a cell phone, to me it's much more creepy than anything alfred hitchcock could imagine. if there were cell phones in his day, "strangers on a train" would have been a much different movie. in 16 hours, you could watch the movie "throw momma from the train" 10.9 times in a row. you wouldn't be able to pay any attention to it, because cell phone lady would have been talking the whole way through it. but still, in 16 hours, you could watch 32 episodes of "soul train." or listen to the clash song "train in vein" approximately 320 times back-to-back. all of which i would rather do than listen to someone talking on their cell phone for 16 hours. it would almost be -- the way i see it, there are only a few viable reasons. please, people, stay off the phone when you're in public. it's rude and a sure fire way to get you on the "ridicu-list." a lot more ahead at the top of the hour. we'll be right back with the breaking news. 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"the new york times" reporting tonight the child is a boy. he's now 14 and his mother, again, according to "the times," was pregnant with him at the same time as maria shriver was pregnant with their youngest child. the boy was an occasional presence at the schwarzenegger home and there was rumors about schwarzenegger for years, stories of infidelity during his first campaign for governor he was accused of groping women. this is how he responded back then. >> i always say that wherever there's smoke, there's fire. that is true. and i want to say to you, yes, i have behaved badly sometimes. >> well, two days after he made that statement, maria shriver launched a public campaign supporting her husband in the crucial final days of the campaign. >> so in the end, in these final 48, 72 hours, you can make a decision. you can listen to all the negativity and you can listen to people who have never met arnold or who met him for five seconds 30 years ago or you can listen to me. >> well, that was in october nearly eight years ago. what she apparently did not know then, and that we just learned today is that the child her husband fathered would have already been a toddler at the time or older if "the new york times" version is correct. two years before that, schwarzenegger was railing against single parenthood saying, i think the situation with single parenting is disastrous. he was talking mainly but not exclusively about poor inner city parents and kids. he also said regardless of wealth and prarntal resources, single parenting is bad for kids. we'll talk about that tonight as well as why women stick with men despite warning signs. first, how we got here, what we know. like a bomb in the state of california in this morning's los angeles times, schwarzenegger fathered a child with long-time member of the household staff. the woman who had the affair and the child with schwarzenegger had worked for his family for about a decade at the time of the affair and only recently retired. a source told cnn that schwarzenegger financially supported the child since birth. when the l.a. times began asking questions, the mother said that another man, her husband at the time, was the father. she also said she was leaving her long-time job with the family because "i wanted to achieve my 20 years and i asked to retire." the staffer's cover story about the father fell apart when schwarzenegger claimed paternity. the woman who has not been identified has had no further comment. allegations of affairs occasionally surfaced throughout his eight years in office, but none seem to threaten his marriage with maria shriver. their married in 1986, and as a couple have four children. schwarzenegger told his wife about the child after leaving office in january and since then he and shriver have effectively lived separate lives according to "the l.a. times." he's been trying to revive his film career. interested in making sequels to "the terminator" and he's globe trotted to brazil with james cameron, to france, and to washington to participate in the conference on immigration with president obama. trips he took all reportedly without his wife. three weeks ago, the couple marked a milestone. 25 years of marriage. normally a call for celebration. but then last monday, they announced they were amicably separating. she was moving out of their brentwood home and they released a statement that read in part -- this has been a time of great personal and professional transition for each of us. after a great deal of thought, reflection, discussion and prayer, we came to this decision together. at this time, we're living apart while we work on the future of our relationship. a day after that announcement on tuesday, schwarzenegger seemed to suggest they were trying to work through issues that led to the separation. >> we both love each other very much. we're very fortunate that we have four extraordinary children and we're taking one day at a time. >> "the l.a. times" reports shriver was less optimistic. she had been unhappy in the marriage for years and was waiting for her husband's term to end before splitting. today's bombshell has only deepened the divide between the couple. shriver called the latest news heartbreaking and the couple's children also are speaking out on twitter. out of all the doubts and questions schwarzenegger's family must have had, one of the biggest is on the mind of a nation, how could he keep this secret for so long? joining us now is former l.a. times writer joe matthews, author of "the people's machine, swz swz and the rise of the blockbuster democracy." also joining us, jessica yellin and candy crowley. jessica, obviously long standing rumors of womanizing are one thing. a secret out of wedlock child is something else entirely. how big a surprise was this revelation? you covered him for a long time. >> reporter: i've spoken to a lot of insiders today who, to a person say, not that surprised. i'm sort of shocked by that. they say the fact that it was a housekeeper and the fact that there's a child is startling, and was well covered up. but it was a general understanding he had a problem with womanizing and that it was sort of baked into his image and what people know about him, especially in his community in l.a. there are even people saying this is not going to hurt his movie career going forward. men behaving badly seem to do okay. it will hurt any political aspirations. but he left office with an approval rating in the mid 20s. so any further aspirations would have been pretty slim any way. >> joe, you covered schwarzenegger for a long time. does it surprise you, and how did he manage to keep this under wraps so long? >> you had a situation where the woman was married at the time. he was married. they both had a reason not to tell anyone. i don't think it's terribly surprising this was a secret for a long time. politicians, while we reporters love to think that we know all, we don't. we often know very little. and this was the case here. i think in this particular case, i was surprised by the announcement of a separation. these are two people who are very invested in this marriage. not just for all the personal reasons but because the narrative of the marriage, this marriage between two very different people who despite their struggles and problems and differences, managed to make it work. that's something they both sold and prospered from in their professional lives. so they have a lot of reasons not to get divorced, not to split. but the news that he was involved with a woman who was not his wife was not surprising. this is not someone who has run as a public moralist or promised in politics to be faithful to his wife or was faithful in the past or would be in the future. this was not a bill clinton who wagged his finger. this is someone whose public and political persona was someone who was a little bit naughty. even in that 2003 campaign, you know, we saw that. >> right. candy, you were there. you covered the campaign at the time of those multiple groping allegations. a, does this surprise you? and does it surprise you that it was kept secret for so long time? >> reporter: well, it doesn't, and i think for reasons just talked about. if you have people vested in keeping quiet, then they keep it quiet. so if you have a woman married to someone else, who is having his baby, she apparently was getting child support all of this time, perhaps there was an accountant involved somewhere along the line. but he also has a vested interest in staying quiet. there's a difference between the aggrieved women that "the l.a. times" reported in great detail. like five, six days, less than a week before the recall vote in california. and he had started a huge tour that day that we were on with lots of hollywood and stopping in several cities. and this story just came up that morning on the front page of "the times," and there was a story after that, as well. like 20 women or something and it was pretty disgusting behavior. and he said no, he didn't do it. then he said, well, you know, it's hollywood and it's gyms and i was sort of baudy. so i apologize if people were offended. but the difference between those women and the mother of this child is that they were aggrieved and angry, and she obviously didn't even want to talk as late as yesterday. so, you know, again, it's not surprising. people don't want to talk, it's hard to find out. >> do we know how maria shriver is doing? >> reporter: i've been in touch with somebody who is close to her who said this is not adrift. that this was an act -- leaving him was an act of an empowered woman who knows what she wants and the kind of life she wants to lead. and the bottom line there is look, this woman didn't stand by her man, but as a caveat, once this latest revelation happened and only after he left the governor's office. >> jessica, candy, appreciate your time. joe matthews, as well. let us know what you think on facebook or twitter @ anderson cooper. up next, politics, power and fame, why so often it's linked to infidelity. dr. drew pensky weighs in. does the power lead to this behavior or is it the drive that propels some men to seek fame and power that same drive does that lead them to cheat? and later, breaking news. the man on the right now believed to be bin laden's successor. we'll tell you who he is and whether the new acting boss could be as dangerous or more dangerous as the old one. you love the aroma of beef tenderloin, don't you? 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"the new york times" reporting tonight the boy is about 14 years old. several friends telling the paper the mother was working around the house while pregnant at the same time that maria shriver was pregnant with her own youngest. we've seen a lot of politicians caught cheating and lying about it, but arnold schwarzenegger's deception of his own family over the course of many years is pretty surprising. dr. drew pensky believes it's not the power and fame that leads some men to cheat as a lot of people think, but the thing that drives some men to become famous or powerful is an impulse which also drives them to cheat sometimes. he'll explain that in a minute. but first, tom foreman and some of the other politicians we've seen who have done this, as well. >> reporter: even in the midst of this sex scandal, the former california governor has plenty of company. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> reporter: ever since president clinton was caught fooling around 13 years ago, internet rumors, cameras everywhere, and the public appetite for dirt have outed dozens of public figures for indiscretions. among republicans, such scandals have had particular impact. former house speaker, now presidential contender newt gingrich led the charge against clinton, but twice had affairs of his own. senators david vitter and then senator john ensign likewise have defended conservative family values but vitter was linked to prostitutes and ensign cheated on his wife. and when the governor of south carolina, mark sanford, was found with his mistress, not on the appalachian trail -- >> i've been unfaithful to my wife. >> the wife suggested he take a hike. >> i frankly didn't know where he was. >> reporter: and it's not as if republicans have cornered the market on indiscretion. >> because i did not want the public to know what i had done. very simple. >> reporter: john edwards talked to "nightline" about his affair with this woman, rielle hunter. she claimed they had a love child, something he at first denied. >> when you were running for president, you flat out defined having a relationship with rielle hunter, were you telling me the truth then? >> yes. >> reporter: he later came clean and his wife, elizabeth, now deceased, left him and took their kids with her. other democrats, former new york governor, now cnn host, eliot spitzer paid for escorts. former new jersey governor jim mcgreevey cheated with another man. but it's not just politics. in sports, brett favre and ben roethlisberger were accused of but never charged with misconduct. tiger woods went into the rough over extramarital playing partners. >> i was unfaithful. i had affairs. >> reporter: and in entertainment, scandals have enveloped david letterman, hue grant, george michael and jesse james just to name a few. so the former california governor can take consolation knowing as a politician, an athlete, and an entertainer, he is not alone. but then when you think about it, that was the whole problem. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> that's the what. for a closer look at the why, i spoke with dr. drew pensky. dr. drew, i've read some psychologists who say men with great power and status are more prone to affairs than the average person. is that really true? >> i think it probably is true, anderson, but it doesn't mean it's okay, and it doesn't mean the high profile or power status necessarily causes this. in fact, the research that i've done on celebrities and people in positions of power show something quite different. what it shows is the kind of person that strives to get themselves in those positions may have certain character liabilities that make them the kind of person prone to these transgressions. >> what's the correlation, the drive to achieve something and the impulse or whatever to cheat or to do stuff that's high risk? >> it's a topic we have talked about over the years, it's narcissism. it's the need to get pumped up from the environment to feel okay about yourself, so you have to keep getting positions of power to feel okay when you don't feel so good on the inside. narcissism has this liability of failure, which is people with narcissism don't perceive the consequences of their actions. because they don't really perceive other people's feelings very well. particularly in those moments where they have a powerful impulse, it's hard to predict the effects it's going to have on other people. >> that drive can apply to everybody who has a tv show. not everybody on tv acts out in this way, though. >> that's absolutely correct. the difference is that liability. my point is, and the part i find most disturbing is the public at large will rather be dismissive and say oh, guess what, somebody in a position of authority, some male who makes a lot of money is acting out sexually. yeah, we get that. but does it make it okay? it is not okay for many reasons. it says something deep about their personality functioning and value system. this has such a rippling effect on people around them. people they love are shattered by this, and we've heard so much of this these days. it's almost becoming normal and that background noise affects our kids. this is the warning i want to keep putting out. they need to discuss this with their children, this behavior is not okay. if they want to behave like this, they shouldn't take a vow and they should do all this before they get married or not get married. >> what i don't understand, though, i understand a famous person doing this, look, the behavior of somebody like charlie sheen. but somebody who is running for office, whose entire livelihood depends on being seen as being honest and making promises with the voters, to do this while you're running for office, we've seen it with john edwards, when eliot spitzer was governor, he had the problem that he had. why would somebody in political life, of all places, when you're under that microscope, do this? >> it boggles the mind, doesn't it, anderson? i would have two answers. one, is sometimes it's sexual addiction. sometimes people, just like with any other addiction, they're in denial. they don't really perceive the consequences of their actions. but more often than not, it is a sense of entitlement, of being special, of sort of being entitled to this sort of thing and some of the reasons they're in the position they're in makes them feel entitled. the fact is, they're just not. for those of us not to dismiss it, further enhances their sense of entitlement. >> is there a sense of -- does the danger of it, does the forbiddenness of it add to the appeal of it or the attraction of it for some of these people? >> for some of my patients, it is the intensity. with sex and love addicts, if you remember the south carolina governor that had the woman down in south america, that was classic love addiction. and yes, it's the intensity of the experience more off than not. >> you call it love addiction. isn't that just being in love? >> no, this is -- think about how wild that was. he had never met her before, he developed this wild sort of fantasy about who they were together. that's sort of -- if you read about love addiction, that's a pretty classic case of that. >> we got a question from a viewer in michigan. why do smart, successful women put up with it? which is obviously a good point. we've seen this time and again. >> the fact is, when i was talking about it on my show today, the women that put it with up who was the spouse that got cheated upon and how about the women who do the cheating. we need to hold them accountable, as well. they often play a strong role in this dance we call infidelity. but i will tell you this, that the women that stand by the men, we should not be critical of them. in my word, i deal with quite a bit with sexual addiction. a significant majority of the partners with the sex addict will stay with that person and in treatment. that relationship can be restored. the situation with the schwarzeneggers, such a sad story. i would wish and hope they would stay together and get treatment and look to restitution of their relationship and their marriage. the problem here in their case, though, it sounds like this has been going on for some time and things have just hit their last straw. >> dr. drew, appreciate it. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. coming up, more breaking news. will the man on the right be the new leader of al qaeda? 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because a lot of people say that's where al zawahri formed a network. >> i don't know if they were in jail together. they were part of the same organization. it's likely they served in jail together. but i don't know for certain, anderson. so this is a guy who has spent a good deal of time, after americans started bombing in afghanistan, he fled to iran, with two of bin laden's sons. he was there with his wife and family for a number of years. it wasn't until the last year and a half or so that he got out of iran where he was held in sort of house arrest and went back to pakistan. so he's been a member of the military council. and he's got a lot of sort of military experience. >> is it still a possibility that al zawahiri might have assumed the reigns of al qaeda? >> absolutely. you know, we talk about bin laden. members of al qaeda would swear allegiance to bin laden himself personally. so the new leader will have to have those senior members of the ruling council, and other members, swear allegiance to him. the question is, he doesn't have bin laden's charisma. he's known to be a difficult personality. this allows him to shore up his political base inside al qaeda. >> chris, i want to turn to these new details you were getting tonight about the raid that killed bin laden. what new details do you have? what have you found out? >> reporter: we have now learned that for every one of the about two dozen s.e.a.l.s that assaulted that compound, there was another s.e.a.l. close by as backup. remember when we heard that president obama had to update the plan because he wanted the s.e.a.l.s to be able to fight their way out of that compound, if necessary. now we know how many backups there were. we also know that the helos, both of those blackhawks were never meant to touch the ground. one was supposed to fast rope some s.e.a.l.s in the compound, the other was going to drop the other s.e.a.l.s on the roof and outside. but because they were so concerned about pakistan finding out about this mission, they used these stealth helicopters. one of them ran in trouble and clipped the edge of the wall. that's when they had to scramble the plan. originally, neither was supposed to touch ground, it was only supposed to take two minutes to get the s.e.a.l.s on the ground. they were counting on the fact that because it's so close to a pakistan military base, people would just think whatever sounds they heard were just the normal comings and goings of pakistani helicopters. there were also a dozen children all throughout this compound and it only took about 15 minutes to get to bin laden. the rest of the time spent trying to blow up that downed helicopter. >> chris lawrence, appreciate the details. thanks, fran. just ahead, dominic strauss-kahn head of the imf, a guy who people said was the next likely president of france, on suicide watch tonight at new york's rikers island jail. still ahead, new details about the woman attacked by dominic strauss-kahn, a man forbes calls one of the world's most powerful people. and what he's facing in jail tonight. he's on suicide watch awaiting his next court date. more details ahead. building up our wireless network all across america. we're adding new cell sites... increasing network capacity, and investing billions of dollars to improve your wireless network experience. from a single phone call to the most advanced data download, we're covering more people in more places than ever before in an effort to give you the best network possible. at&t. rethink possible. pure... and also delicious. like nature valley. granola bars made with crunchy oats and pure honey. nature valley -- 100% natural. 100% delicious. your advertising mail campaign is paying off! business is good! it must be if you're doing all that overnight shipping. that must cost a fortune. it sure does. well, if it doesn't have to get there overnight, you can save a lot with priority mail flat rate envelopes. one flat rate to any state, just $4.95. that's cool and all... but it ain't my money. i seriously do not care... so, you don't care what anyone says, you want to save this company money! that's exactly what i was saying. hmmm... priority mail flat rate envelopes, just $4.95 only from the postal service. a simpler way to ship. down the hill? 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>> exactly, exactly. >> sonny, yesterday the defense seemed to suggest that the assault maybe never happened, he had an alibi. in court they imply that the sex did occur but that it was consensual. what do you make of that morphing of the defense strategy? >> this is a very fluid situation. just as the prosecution is continuing its investigation, so is the defense. in a case like this, anderson, where only two people were in the room, there are no other witnesses to what happened. the only two defenses are, one, it's consensual, or two, there's an alibi and it never happened. so it's not unusual for the defense strategy to be evolving and changing. >> deb, do we know anything about forensic evidence? in a case where there's just two people, that would be incredibly important. do we know if there is forensic evidence? >> there is forensic evidence. one prosecutor said what's interesting is while the presence of semen, it doesn't show that there was a forced encounter of any kind. forensics were sent out, both of the women, but also of dominic strauss-kahn. those have not come back yet, but they will be presented to a grand jury. we're being told that the grand jury is going to be listening to this case and deciding whether to vote by friday as to whether this should go forward, anderson. >> what do we now know about this young journalist in france who accused dominic strauss-kahn of assaulting her, is she considering pressing charges? >> she's connected to a lawyer. she's looking into the charges. she's been quoted as saying she should have gone forward with this at the time it occurred. the big question now, is everybody is watching to see whether other women step forward to say something similar happened to them. when you have something high profile like this, there's always a possibility it could trigger a waterfall almost, anderson. >> sonny, what's the next step in terms of the legal process? >> as deb mentioned, i'm hearing also that the grand jury has been convened and is determining whether or not they will indict him. may 20th is the control date, and that means if he has been indicted, the charges will be read and he will enter a plea of guilty or not guilty. if he has not been indicted, they will set another date. but the bottom line is, there's no question that this friday the defense will reapply for bail. they're going to try to come up with a situation that is palletable for the prosecution and the court so that he is no longer being held at rikers island. that may include a $1 million to $2 million bail, or an ankle monitoring bracelet. some sort of situation that gets him out of rikers. that is going to be their top priority. >> deb, he has a daughter i think who lives in new york. so it could be that he has to stay in the city. would that be a possibility? >> absolutely. he could stay in the city. right now we are told -- obviously he's at rikers. he did have one visitor, but the department of corrections would not say who that was. we are also told, anderson, that he was put on a suicide watch. doesn't mean he's suicidal, but because he's such high profile, this is a guy who is used to meeting with prime ministers and power brokers and presidents. he's isolated now by himself. so as a precaution, they have put him on suicide watch and checking on him about every 15 minutes. >> it's unbelievable. thank you very much. as sonny said, getting dominic strauss-kahn out of jail would be a top priority for his lawyers on friday. this is a man "forbes" magazine named one of the most powerful people. to say his life has changed dramatically in the last 72 hours barely begins to capture it. mary snow has new details about what he's facing right now at rikers. >> reporter: inside these walls, dominic strauss-kahn now spends his day in an 11 x 13 foot cell. most share barracks with about 50 beds in them. because of his high profile, a prison spokesman said he's separated from other inmates. it's a far cry from the luxury suite at new york's hotel where he stayed before his arrest, with some rooms going as much as $3,000. while hotel guests there were offered a breakfast choice of a five-ounce steak with eggs, with a morning cocktail such as a $20 glass of champagne, breakfast at rikers consists of one apple and banana, a box of mini wheat cereal, milk, coffee or tea. he will be eating alone and won't have contact with other prisoners who number 13,000 to 14,000 on any given day. the attorney says things have changed since violence dominated the jail in the early '90s. >> its name is synonymous in popular culture with brutality, with corruption, with jailbreaks, with people banging cups on bars. none of which is true anymore. but it still exercises a very powerful hold on the imagination. >> reporter: most of the inmates there are waiting to go on trail and can range from low level drug dealers to murderers. mark david chapman, who killed john lennon, was once held there. so was david burkowitz. aka the son of sam serial killer. in recent years, rapper lil wayne spent time there on a weapons charge. dominic strauss-kahn is able to leave his jail cell and can go outside for an hour a day. but will be escorted by a corrections officer. inside, he's allowed to periodically walk around his housing area corridor where he can watch tv. >> everything is difficult. and the most difficult thing i think for any particular person is to deal with the dehumanization, because you're just one of 13,000 people, and to deal with being cut off from the outside world. floip his first day at rikers, he had one visitor but declined to say who it was. inmates can have up to three people per visit, not including attorneys who are given access to their clients any given day. mary snow, cnn, this morning. still ahead, bernie madoff is serving more than 100 years, but his assets are up on the auction block. we'll shoel you some of them ahead. and don't you hate it when people talk loudly on their cell phones in a restaurant or on a plane? 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>> i mean, a glass now and then. but i know nothing about wine. i get so nervous in the restaurant when you're supposed to know and i have no idea. >> that's all right. >> i leave it up to the waiter. >> there's a fine wine back here. 1996 wine. great starting price. >> how much is that? >> $3,200. but you get six bottles for that, they tell me. >> six bottles for $3,000? >> look, don't shoot the messenger. i'm only imparting the information to you. >> i'm going to hang out with kathy griffin's mom and drink it by the box. like she does. she's got the right idea. >> tip it. that's what i say. >> exactly. she wrote a book about that. time now for the "ridicu-list." tonight, we're adding a woman named la'keshia beard. but you can just call her the cell phone lady. that's because, according to authorities, she talked loudly on her cell phone while on an amtrak train nonstop for 16 hours. police say cell phone lady started talking in oakland, california, and did not stop until she was escorted off said train in salem, oregon, 16 hours later. what can someone possibly talk about for 16 hours? even if i had been held captive 20 years and was seeing my family for the first time, i could maybe fill an hour, maybe two hours. but 16? she was taken off the train and charged with disorderly contact. that's right, she got charged, just like her cell phone. and the best part of all, she was riding in one of amtrak's designated quiet cars. sure, if you're going to be yapping, who wants to be surrounded by others yapping with all their other yapping? when other passengers complained to cell phone lady, she got into a verbal altercation and kept talking on her phone. news station katu wanted to interview her after she got arrested. she wouldn't go on camera. she said she didn't feel well and i'm guessing she had a sore throat but she did talk to a reporter briefly on the phone and said "she felt disrespected by the entire incident." she felt disrespected. maybe she's innocent, i don't know. but am i the only one who has no sympathy for people who talk on their cell phones around other people loudly? 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and now stay rewarded with vacation pay. stay two weekend nights and get a $75 prepaid card. good evening, everyone. we begin tonight with the latest on the stunning news about arnold schwarzenegger, one of the most recognizable faces on the planet, a superstar actor and former governor of california. today we learned that schwarzenegger, who once called family the basic foundation of everything, had a child of wedlock and hid that child for years not just from voters, but from his own family, his own wife, his other children. we learned today it was the central reason why schwarzenegger and maria shriver, seen here in better times, announced their separation last week after 25 years of marriage. schwarzenegger today admitted he fathered a child with a member of the household staff. >> he went on to say -- >> later, this statement from his wife -- >> there are additional details tonight. "the new york times" reporting tonight the child is a boy. he's now 14 and his mother, again, according to "the times," was pregnant with him at the same time as maria shriver was pregnant with their youngest child. the boy was an occasional presence at the schwarzenegger home and there was rumors about schwarzenegger for years, stories of infidelity during his first campaign for governor he was accused of groping women. this is how he responded back then. >> i always say that wherever there's smoke, there's fire. that is true. and i want to say to you, yes, i have behaved badly sometimes. >> well, two days after he made that statement, maria shriver launched a public campaign supporting her husband in the crucial final days of the campaign. >> so in the end, in these final 48, 72 hours, you can make a decision. you can listen to all the negativity and you can listen to people who have never met arnold or who met him for five seconds 30 years ago or you can listen to me. >> well, that was in october nearly eight years ago. what she apparently did not know then, and that we just learned today is that the child her husband fathered would have already been a toddler at the time or older if "the new york times" version is correct. two years before that, schwarzenegger was railing against single parenthood saying, i think the situation with single parenting is disastrous. he was talking mainly but not exclusively about poor inner city parents and kids. he also said regardless of wealth and prarntal resources, single parenting is bad for kids. we'll talk about that tonight as well as why women stick with men despite warning signs. first, how we got here, what we know. like a bomb in the state of california in this morning's los angeles times, schwarzenegger fathered a child with long-time member of the household staff. the woman who had the affair and the child with schwarzenegger had worked for his family for about a decade at the time of the affair and only recently retired. a source told cnn that schwarzenegger financially supported the child since birth. when the l.a. times began asking questions, the mother said that another man, her husband at the time, was the father. she also said she was leaving her long-time job with the family because "i wanted to achieve my 20 years and i asked to retire." the staffer's cover story about the father fell apart when schwarzenegger claimed paternity. the woman who has not been identified has had no further comment. allegations of affairs occasionally surfaced throughout his eight years in office, but none seem to threaten his marriage with maria shriver. their married in 1986, and as a couple have four children. schwarzenegger told his wife about the child after leaving office in january and since then he and shriver have effectively lived separate lives according to "the l.a. times." he's been trying to revive his film career. interested in making sequels to "the terminator" and he's globe trotted to brazil with james cameron, to france, and to washington to participate in the conference on immigration with president obama. trips he took all reportedly without his wife. three weeks ago, the couple marked a milestone. 25 years of marriage. normally a call for celebration. but then last monday, they announced they were amicably separating. she was moving out of their brentwood home and they released a statement that read in part -- this has been a time of great personal and professional transition for each of us. after a great deal of thought, reflection, discussion and prayer, we came to this decision together. at this time, we're living apart while we work on the future of our relationship. a day after that announcement on tuesday, schwarzenegger seemed to suggest they were trying to work through issues that led to the separation. >> we both love each other very much. we're very fortunate that we have four extraordinary children and we're taking one day at a time. >> "the l.a. times" reports shriver was less optimistic. she had been unhappy in the marriage for years and was waiting for her husband's term to end before splitting. today's bombshell has only deepened the divide between the couple. shriver called the latest news heartbreaking and the couple's children also are speaking out on twitter. out of all the doubts and questions schwarzenegger's family must have had, one of the biggest is on the mind of a nation, how could he keep this secret for so long? joining us now is former l.a. times writer joe matthews, author of "the people's machine, swz swz and the rise of the blockbuster democracy." also joining us, jessica yellin and candy crowley. jessica, obviously long standing rumors of womanizing are one thing. a secret out of wedlock child is something else entirely. how big a surprise was this revelation? you covered him for a long time. >> reporter: i've spoken to a lot of insiders today who, to a person say, not that surprised. i'm sort of shocked by that. they say the fact that it was a housekeeper and the fact that there's a child is startling, and was well covered up. but it was a general understanding he had a problem with womanizing and that it was sort of baked into his image and what people know about him, especially in his community in l.a. there are even people saying this is not going to hurt his movie career going forward. men behaving badly seem to do okay. it will hurt any political aspirations. but he left office with an approval rating in the mid 20s. so any further aspirations would have been pretty slim any way. >> joe, you covered schwarzenegger for a long time. does it surprise you, and how did he manage to keep this under wraps so long? >> you had a situation where the woman was married at the time. he was married. they both had a reason not to tell anyone. i don't think it's terribly surprising this was a secret for a long time. politicians, while we reporters love to think that we know all, we don't. we often know very little. and this was the case here. i think in this particular case, i was surprised by the announcement of a separation. these are two people who are very invested in this marriage. not just for all the personal reasons but because the narrative of the marriage, this marriage between two very different people who despite their struggles and problems and differences, managed to make it work. that's something they both sold and prospered from in their professional lives. so they have a lot of reasons not to get divorced, not to split. but the news that he was involved with a woman who was not his wife was not surprising. this is not someone who has run as a public moralist or promised in politics to be faithful to his wife or was faithful in the past or would be in the future. this was not a bill clinton who wagged his finger. this is someone whose public and political persona was someone who was a little bit naughty. even in that 2003 campaign, you know, we saw that. >> right. candy, you were there. you covered the campaign at the time of those multiple groping allegations. a, does this surprise you? and does it surprise you that it was kept secret for so long time? >> reporter: well, it doesn't, and i think for reasons just talked about. if you have people vested in keeping quiet, then they keep it quiet. so if you have a woman married to someone else, who is having his baby, she apparently was getting child support all of this time, perhaps there was an accountant involved somewhere along the line. but he also has a vested interest in staying quiet. there's a difference between the aggrieved women that "the l.a. times" reported in great detail. like five, six days, less than a week before the recall vote in california. and he had started a huge tour that day that we were on with lots of hollywood and stopping in several cities. and this story just came up that morning on the front page of "the times," and there was a story after that, as well. like 20 women or something and it was pretty disgusting behavior. and he said no, he didn't do it. then he said, well, you know, it's hollywood and it's gyms and i was sort of baudy. so i apologize if people were offended. but the difference between those women and the mother of this child is that they were aggrieved and angry, and she obviously didn't even want to talk as late as yesterday. so, you know, again, it's not surprising. people don't want to talk, it's hard to find out. >> do we know how maria shriver is doing? >> reporter: i've been in touch with somebody who is close to her who said this is not adrift. that this was an act -- leaving him was an act of an empowered woman who knows what she wants and the kind of life she wants to lead. and the bottom line there is look, this woman didn't stand by her man, but as a caveat, once this latest revelation happened and only after he left the governor's office. >> jessica, candy, appreciate your time. joe matthews, as well. let us know what you think on facebook or twitter @ anderson cooper. up next, politics, power and fame, why so often it's linked to infidelity. dr. drew pensky weighs in. does the power lead to this behavior or is it the drive that propels some men to seek fame and power that same drive does that lead them to cheat? and later, breaking news. the man on the right now believed to be bin laden's successor. we'll tell you who he is and whether the new acting boss could be as dangerous or more dangerous as the old one. building up our wireless network all across america. we're adding new cell sites... increasing network capacity, and investing billions of dollars to improve your wireless network experience. from a single phone call to the most advanced data download, we're covering more people in more places than ever before in an effort to give you the best network possible. at&t. rethink possible. in an effort to give you the best network possible. ♪ ♪ membership rewards points from american express. they're a social currency with endless possibilities. ♪ well, you know i love it too ♪ ♪ you love money ♪ well, you know i love it too ♪ ♪ i work so hard at my job ♪ and then i bring it home to you ♪ ♪ i love money in my pocket breaking news tonight. new details that arnold schwarzenegger fathered a child out of wedlock with a member of the household staff. "the new york times" reporting tonight the boy is about 14 years old. several friends telling the paper the mother was working around the house while pregnant at the same time that maria shriver was pregnant with her own youngest. we've seen a lot of politicians caught cheating and lying about it, but arnold schwarzenegger's deception of his own family over the course of many years is pretty surprising. dr. drew pensky believes it's not the power and fame that leads some men to cheat as a lot of people think, but the thing that drives some men to become famous or powerful is an impulse which also drives them to cheat sometimes. he'll explain that in a minute. but first, tom foreman and some of the other politicians we've seen who have done this, as well. >> reporter: even in the midst of this sex scandal, the former california governor has plenty of company. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> reporter: ever since president clinton was caught fooling around 13 years ago, internet rumors, cameras everywhere, and the public appetite for dirt have outed dozens of public figures for indiscretions. among republicans, such scandals have had particular impact. former house speaker, now presidential contender newt gingrich led the charge against clinton, but twice had affairs of his own. senators david vitter and then senator john ensign likewise have defended conservative family values but vitter was linked to prostitutes and ensign cheated on his wife. and when the governor of south carolina, mark sanford, was found with his mistress, not on the appalachian trail -- >> i've been unfaithful to my wife. >> the wife suggested he take a hike. >> i frankly didn't know where he was. >> reporter: and it's not as if republicans have cornered the market on indiscretion. >> because i did not want the public to know what i had done. very simple. >> reporter: john edwards talked to "nightline" about his affair with this woman, rielle hunter. she claimed they had a love child, something he at first denied. >> when you were running for president, you flat out defined having a relationship with rielle hunter, were you telling me the truth then? >> yes. >> reporter: he later came clean and his wife, elizabeth, now deceased, left him and took their kids with her. other democrats, former new york governor, now cnn host, eliot spitzer paid for escorts. former new jersey governor jim mcgreevey cheated with another man. but it's not just politics. in sports, brett favre and ben roethlisberger were accused of but never charged with misconduct. tiger woods went into the rough over extramarital playing partners. >> i was unfaithful. i had affairs. >> reporter: and in entertainment, scandals have enveloped david letterman, hue grant, george michael and jesse james just to name a few. so the former california governor can take consolation knowing as a politician, an athlete, and an entertainer, he is not alone. but then when you think about it, that was the whole problem. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> that's the what. for a closer look at the why, i spoke with dr. drew pensky. dr. drew, i've read some psychologists who say men with great power and status are more prone to affairs than the average person. is that really true? >> i think it probably is true, anderson, but it doesn't mean it's okay, and it doesn't mean the high profile or power status necessarily causes this. in fact, the research that i've done on celebrities and people in positions of power show something quite different. what it shows is the kind of person that strives to get themselves in those positions may have certain character liabilities that make them the kind of person prone to these transgressions. >> what's the correlation, the drive to achieve something and the impulse or whatever to cheat or to do stuff that's high risk? >> it's a topic we have talked about over the years, it's narcissism. it's the need to get pumped up from the environment to feel okay about yourself, so you have to keep getting positions of power to feel okay when you don't feel so good on the inside. narcissism has this liability of failure, which is people with narcissism don't perceive the consequences of their actions. because they don't really perceive other people's feelings very well. particularly in those moments where they have a powerful impulse, it's hard to predict the effects it's going to have on other people. >> that drive can apply to everybody who has a tv show. not everybody on tv acts out in this way, though. >> that's absolutely correct. the difference is that liability. my point is, and the part i find most disturbing is the public at large will rather be dismissive and say oh, guess what, somebody in a position of authority, some male who makes a lot of money is acting out sexually. yeah, we get that. but does it make it okay? it is not okay for many reasons. it says something deep about their personality functioning and value system. this has such a rippling effect on people around them. people they love are shattered by this, and we've heard so much of this these days. it's almost becoming normal and that background noise affects our kids. this is the warning i want to keep putting out. they need to discuss this with their children, this behavior is not okay. if they want to behave like this, they shouldn't take a vow and they should do all this before they get married or not get married. >> what i don't understand, though, i understand a famous person doing this, look, the behavior of somebody like charlie sheen. but somebody who is running for office, whose entire livelihood depends on being seen as being honest and making promises with the voters, to do this while you're running for office, we've seen it with john edwards, when eliot spitzer was governor, he had the problem that he had. why would somebody in political life, of all places, when you're under that microscope, do this? >> it boggles the mind, doesn't it, anderson? i would have two answers. one, is sometimes it's sexual addiction. sometimes people, just like with any other addiction, they're in denial. they don't really perceive the consequences of their actions. but more often than not, it is a sense of entitlement, of being special, of sort of being entitled to this sort of thing and some of the reasons they're in the position they're in makes them feel entitled. the fact is, they're just not. for those of us not to dismiss it, further enhances their sense of entitlement. >> is there a sense of -- does the danger of it, does the forbiddenness of it add to the appeal of it or the attraction of it for some of these people? >> for some of my patients, it is the intensity. with sex and love addicts, if you remember the south carolina governor that had the woman down in south america, that was classic love addiction. and yes, it's the intensity of the experience more off than not. >> you call it love addiction. isn't that just being in love? >> no, this is -- think about how wild that was. he had never met her before, he developed this wild sort of fantasy about who they were together. that's sort of -- if you read about love addiction, that's a pretty classic case of that. >> we got a question from a viewer in michigan. why do smart, successful women put up with it? which is obviously a good point. we've seen this time and again. >> the fact is, when i was talking about it on my show today, the women that put it with up who was the spouse that got cheated upon and how about the women who do the cheating. we need to hold them accountable, as well. they often play a strong role in this dance we call infidelity. but i will tell you this, that the women that stand by the men, we should not be critical of them. in my word, i deal with quite a bit with sexual addiction. a significant majority of the partners with the sex addict will stay with that person and in treatment. that relationship can be restored. the situation with the schwarzeneggers, such a sad story. i would wish and hope they would stay together and get treatment and look to restitution of their relationship and their marriage. the problem here in their case, though, it sounds like this has been going on for some time and things have just hit their last straw. >> dr. drew, appreciate it. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. coming up, more breaking news. will the man on the right be the new leader of al qaeda? that's the word we're getting. and in the wake of osama bin laden's death, he's been chosen caretaker leader of al qaeda. what we know about him, next. later, the head of the international monetary fund on suicide watch at new york's rikers island jail. new details about how his lawyers are trying to get him out from behind bars. details ahead. [ male announcer ] what if that hemorrhoid pain is non-stop to seattle? just carry new preparation h totables. discreet, little tubes packed with big relief. from the brand doctors recommend most by name. new preparation h totables. the anywhere preparation h. breaking news tonight on al qaeda. al qaeda has appointed an acting leader following the death of osama bin laden. he's an egyptian named saif al adel, who has long played a prominent role in al qaeda. more details from fran townsend, a member of the homeland security and cia external advisory committees. and in washington, chris lawrence, who has new details on the raid that killed osama bin laden. fran, let's start with you. this guy appointed interim leader of al qaeda. what do we know about him? >> he's a well established senior person within the ranks of al qaeda. he goes back to pre-9/11 being with bin laden in afghanistan. he was a trainer in training camps in afghanistan and somalia. he was behind -- he's indicted here in new york for his role in planning the east africa embassy bombings in 1998. because he was with bin laden in afghanistan, he probably had knowledge of the "cole" bombing in 2000 in yemen. he goes back to the egyptian islamic jihad, responsible for the assassination of sadat. he's got -- he's -- >> did he end up in prison with al zawahiri? because a lot of people say that's where al zawahri formed a network. >> i don't know if they were in jail together. they were part of the same organization. it's likely they served in jail together. but i don't know for certain, anderson. so this is a guy who has spent a good deal of time, after americans started bombing in afghanistan, he fled to iran, with two of bin laden's sons. he was there with his wife and family for a number of years. it wasn't until the last year and a half or so that he got out of iran where he was held in sort of house arrest and went back to pakistan. so he's been a member of the military council. and he's got a lot of sort of military experience. >> is it still a possibility that al zawahiri might have assumed the reigns of al qaeda? >> absolutely. you know, we talk about bin laden. members of al qaeda would swear allegiance to bin laden himself personally. so the new leader will have to have those senior members of the ruling council, and other members, swear allegiance to him. the question is, he doesn't have bin laden's charisma. he's known to be a difficult personality. this allows him to shore up his political base inside al qaeda. >> chris, i want to turn to these new details you were getting tonight about the raid that killed bin laden. what new details do you have? what have you found out? >> reporter: we have now learned that for every one of the about two dozen s.e.a.l.s that assaulted that compound, there was another s.e.a.l. close by as backup. remember when we heard that president obama had to update the plan because he wanted the s.e.a.l.s to be able to fight their way out of that compound, if necessary. now we know how many backups there were. we also know that the helos, both of those blackhawks were never meant to touch the ground. one was supposed to fast rope some s.e.a.l.s in the compound, the other was going to drop the other s.e.a.l.s on the roof and outside. but because they were so concerned about pakistan finding out about this mission, they used these stealth helicopters. one of them ran in trouble and clipped the edge of the wall. that's when they had to scramble the plan. originally, neither was supposed to touch ground, it was only supposed to take two minutes to get the s.e.a.l.s on the ground. they were counting on the fact that because it's so close to a pakistan military base, people would just think whatever sounds they heard were just the normal comings and goings of pakistani helicopters. there were also a dozen children all throughout this compound and it only took about 15 minutes to get to bin laden. the rest of the time spent trying to blow up that downed helicopter. >> chris lawrence, appreciate the details. thanks, fran. just ahead, dominic strauss-kahn head of the imf, a guy who people said was the next likely president of france, on suicide watch tonight at new york's rikers island jail. a lot of times, things are right underneath our feet, and all we need to do is change the way we're thinking about them. a couple decades ago, we didn't even realize just how much natural gas was trapped in rocks thousands of feet below us. technology has made it possible to safely unlock this cleanly burning natural gas. this deposits can provide us with fuel for a hundred years, providing energy security and economic growth all across this country. it just takes somebody having the idea, and that's where the discovery comes from. on "crime and punishment" tonight, the international monetary fund says its chief, dominic strauss-kahn, does not have diplomatic immunity in the sexual assault case against him in america. and tonight, growing pressure on him to step down from the imf. the former french finance minister is accused of sexually assaulting and trying to rape a maid in his new york hotel suite over the weekend. he was denied bail and being held in jail on rikers island. he's been placed on suicide watch as a precaution. deb, you've been following the case all day. what is the latest that we know about the alleged victim? >> we know that she has a 15-year-old daughter. she's been working at the hotel for about 2 1/2 years. she was there legally. the lawyer describes her as a woman who is dignified, intelligent, somebody who got along well with supervisors and her co-workers. the lawyer also says when i asked, was this consensual, could this have been consensual as the defense attorneys seem to suggest, saying this was not a forced encounter, the lawyers said no, absolutely not. this event has traumatized her. she's afraid to go home, afraid to go to work and her future is uncertain right now, anderson. >> and she comes from west africa, correct, and she has a good employment record, correct? >> exactly, exactly. >> sonny, yesterday the defense seemed to suggest that the assault maybe never happened, he had an alibi. in court they imply that the sex did occur but that it was consensual. what do you make of that morphing of the defense strategy? >> this is a very fluid situation. just as the prosecution is continuing its investigation, so is the defense. in a case like this, anderson, where only two people were in the room, there are no other witnesses to what happened. the only two defenses are, one, it's consensual, or two, there's an alibi and it never happened. so it's not unusual for the defense strategy to be evolving and changing. >> deb, do we know anything about forensic evidence? in a case where there's just two people, that would be incredibly important. do we know if there is forensic evidence? >> there is forensic evidence. one prosecutor said what's interesting is while the presence of semen, it doesn't show that there was a forced encounter of any kind. forensics were sent out, both of the women, but also of dominic strauss-kahn. those have not come back yet, but they will be presented to a grand jury. we're being told that the grand jury is going to be listening to this case and deciding whether to vote by friday as to whether this should go forward, anderson. >> what do we now know about this young journalist in france who accused dominic strauss-kahn of assaulting her, is she considering pressing charges? >> she's connected to a lawyer. she's looking into the charges. she's been quoted as saying she should have gone forward with this at the time it occurred. the big question now, is everybody is watching to see whether other women step forward to say something similar happened to them. when you have something high profile like this, there's always a possibility it could trigger a waterfall almost, anderson. >> sonny, what's the next step in terms of the legal process? >> as deb mentioned, i'm hearing also that the grand jury has been convened and is determining whether or not they will indict him. may 20th is the control date, and that means if he has been indicted, the charges will be read and he will enter a plea of guilty or not guilty. if he has not been indicted, they will set another date. but the bottom line is, there's no question that this friday the defense will reapply for bail. they're going to try to come up with a situation that is palletable for the prosecution and the court so that he is no longer being held at rikers island. that may include a $1 million to $2 million bail, or an ankle monitoring bracelet. some sort of situation that gets him out of rikers. that is going to be their top priority. >> deb, he has a daughter i think who lives in new york. so it could be that he has to stay in the city. would that be a possibility? >> absolutely. he could stay in the city. right now we are told -- obviously he's at rikers. he did have one visitor, but the department of corrections would not say who that was. we are also told, anderson, that he was put on a suicide watch. doesn't mean he's suicidal, but because he's such high profile, this is a guy who is used to meeting with prime ministers and power brokers and presidents. he's isolated now by himself. so as a precaution, they have put him on suicide watch and checking on him about every 15 minutes. >> it's unbelievable. thank you very much. as sonny said, getting dominic strauss-kahn out of jail would be a top priority for his lawyers on friday. this is a man "forbes" magazine named one of the most powerful people. to say his life has changed dramatically in the last 72 hours barely begins to capture it. mary snow has new details about what he's facing right now at rikers. >> reporter: inside these walls, dominic strauss-kahn now spends his day in an 11 x 13 foot cell. most share barracks with about 50 beds in them. because of his high profile, a prison spokesman said he's separated from other inmates. it's a far cry from the luxury suite at new york's hotel where he stayed before his arrest, with some rooms going as much as $3,000. while hotel guests there were offered a breakfast choice of a five-ounce steak with eggs, with a morning cocktail such as a $20 glass of champagne, breakfast at rikers consists of one apple and banana, a box of mini wheat cereal, milk, coffee or tea. he will be eating alone and won't have contact with other prisoners who number 13,000 to 14,000 on any given day. the attorney says things have changed since violence dominated the jail in the early '90s. >> its name is synonymous in popular culture with brutality, with corruption, with jailbreaks, with people banging cups on bars. none of which is true anymore. but it still exercises a very powerful hold on the imagination. >> reporter: most of the inmates there are waiting to go on trail and can range from low level drug dealers to murderers. mark david chapman, who killed john lennon, was once held there. so was david burkowitz. aka the son of sam serial killer. in recent years, rapper lil wayne spent time there on a weapons charge. dominic strauss-kahn is able to leave his jail cell and can go outside for an hour a day. but will be escorted by a corrections officer. inside, he's allowed to periodically walk around his housing area corridor where he can watch tv. >> everything is difficult. and the most difficult thing i think for any particular person is to deal with the dehumanization, because you're just one of 13,000 people, and to deal with being cut off from the outside world. floip his first day at rikers, he had one visitor but declined to say who it was. inmates can have up to three people per visit, not including attorneys who are given access to their clients any given day. mary snow, cnn, this morning. still ahead, bernie madoff is serving more than 100 years, but his assets are up on the auction block. we'll shoel you some of them ahead. and don't you hate it when people talk loudly on their cell phones in a restaurant or on a plane? tonight, this story winds up one woman on the "ridicu-list." a 16-hour cell phone conversation. we'll tell you where she was chatting it up. 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>> i mean, a glass now and then. but i know nothing about wine. i get so nervous in the restaurant when you're supposed to know and i have no idea. >> that's all right. >> i leave it up to the waiter. >> there's a fine wine back here. 1996 wine. great starting price. >> how much is that? >> $3,200. but you get six bottles for that, they tell me. >> six bottles for $3,000? >> look, don't shoot the messenger. i'm only imparting the information to you. >> i'm going to hang out with kathy griffin's mom and drink it by the box. like she does. she's got the right idea. >> tip it. that's what i say. >> exactly. she wrote a book about that. time now for the "ridicu-list." tonight, we're adding a woman named la'keshia beard. but you can just call her the cell phone lady. that's because, according to authorities, she talked loudly on her cell phone while on an amtrak train nonstop for 16 hours. police say cell phone lady started talking in oakland, california, and did not stop until she was escorted off said train in salem, oregon, 16 hours later. what can someone possibly talk about for 16 hours? even if i had been held captive 20 years and was seeing my family for the first time, i could maybe fill an hour, maybe two hours. but 16? she was taken off the train and charged with disorderly contact. that's right, she got charged, just like her cell phone. and the best part of all, she was riding in one of amtrak's designated quiet cars. sure, if you're going to be yapping, who wants to be surrounded by others yapping with all their other yapping? when other passengers complained to cell phone lady, she got into a verbal altercation and kept talking on her phone. news station katu wanted to interview her after she got arrested. she wouldn't go on camera. she said she didn't feel well and i'm guessing she had a sore throat but she did talk to a reporter briefly on the phone and said "she felt disrespected by the entire incident." she felt disrespected. maybe she's innocent, i don't know. but am i the only one who has no sympathy for people who talk on their cell phones around other people loudly? how many times have you been on a plane or a bus or a train or a restaurant or a line or a taxi or just about anywhere these days and someone is yammering into their phone loudly and completely oblivious to those around them? i've heard lawyers talking about their clients. i've heard women revealing details about the date they had the night before. while i and others are forced to listen. the idea of being trapped on a train for 16 hours with someone talking on a cell phone, to me it's much more creepy than anything alfred hitchcock could imagine. if there were cell phones in his day, "strangers on a train" would have been a much different movie. think about that, she was on the phone for 16 hours. in 16 hours, you could watch the movie "throw momma from the train" 10.9 times in a row. you wouldn't be able to pay any attention to it, because cell phone lady would have been talking the whole way through it. but still, in 16 hours, you could watch 32 episodes of "soul train." or listen to the clash song "train in vein" approximately 320 times back-to-back. all of which i would rather do than sit on a train with someone talking loudly into their cell phone for 16 hours. please, people, stay off the phone when you're in public. it's rude and a sure fire way to get you on the "ridicu-list." up next, building up america. see how they keep traffic moving in one city and you could see a lot more of this nationwide. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] doctors have been saying it forever. let's take a look. but they've never actually been able to do it like this. let's take a look. v-scan from ge healthcare. a pocket sized imaging device that will help change the way doctors see patients. that's better health for more people. what's all this? 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fires back at the reverend with a rap sheet. and dog gone it. how did this german shepherd puppy get in such a tight spot? we'll talk to the officer who finally rescued rebel. good morning, everyone. we both have jack russells, right? >> yes, we do. >> we're used to them doing things like that. but not a german shepherd. rebel is just fine. we'll talk about that later. george off today, enjoying the family. so glad to have chris cuomo back again. so many people, trying to get back home. the airports all across the country, especially in the northeast, like o'hare, in chicago, still very messy. and all of the flights out of jfk, jetblue had to cancel after 8:00 p.m. yesterday because of poor conditions. three days and counting. those are people sleeping on cots at laguardia. >> a live shot. when you have troubles like that, the politics of the snow start heating up, as well. the mayor of new york, finally admitted the situation is bad. over 1,000 abandoned vehicles have been towed from 3 major city highways. and there's tons of snow clogging up streets, preventing plows from getting through. and we'll have more on the scary chair lift accident in maine. were high winds to blame? some feel that way. we'll hear from some that were on the lift when it plummeted some 20 or 30 feet to the ground. many travelers still stranded four days after the blizzard first hit. and as airports reopen, there's a mad scramble for the few flights taking off. and for some frustrated travel everies, well, it's just too much. chris bury is at o'hare international airport in chicago for us. good morning, chris. >> reporter: good morning, robin. more than 1,700 travelers were stranded here because of backups on the east coast. and the ripple effect causing major headaches, far and wide. like thousands of frustrated flyers, melissa just wants to go home. stuck at o'hare, after three days at the madrid airport, where her husband got the last seat to cincinnati. >> i don't even know where he is right now. >> reporter: 6,000 flights canceled, since the blizzard hit on sunday. leaving tens of thousands stranded and scrambling for rare standby seats. >> we've been here two hours now. and i heard it's a four-hour wait to get through this line. >> reporter: in cleveland, police were called when passengers desperate to finally board a plane, rushed the gates. >> everybody has -- move back. everyone move. come on. move back. >> reporter: at jfk in new york, four international flights were stuck on the tarmac. passengers felt like prisoners. not allowed to get off for nine, miserable hours. >> we were sitting on the runway for about 6 1/2 hours. >> sitting on the tarmac was easily from about ten past 10:00, to 3:20 in the morning. >> reporter: trying to call the airline and actually talk to a human? >> due to weather in the northeast, we're experiencing unusually high call volume and are unable to take your call. thanks for calling continental. good-bye. >> they don't even answer the phone. i think that's horrible. >> reporter: those frustrations, shared by many of our abc news colleagues, hoping to get back home this morning. >> the 12 days of christmas have turned into the 12 days of travel hell. >> i'm attempting to go through security. we'll see what happens. >> my flight was scheduled for sunday. now, they're telling me i can't even get back to new york until saturday. >> i was supposed to leave los angeles on monday. now, the best i can do with delta is get out on friday, new year's eve, at 9:30 p.m. certainly not the way i thought i'd be spending my new year's eve. >> reporter: back at o'hare, melissa spent two hours in this line, hoping for a seat to cincinnati. all of it in vain. >> i found out that i was sent to the wrong counter. so, i now have to stand in this line for united. and i think i missed my flight. >> reporter: the security lines here at o'hare are already getting crowded. people have been waiting now for several hours. by the way, some airlines are still playing those annoying messages. others are telling passengers, no seats will be available on planes until after the new year. and all of this is expected to cost the airlines more than $150 million. chris? >> chris, it's a big number. but you know, a big problem for a loft people. we saw something in "the new york times," about how they couldn't book a nonstop flight from new york to chicago. a very common route. here we are at the smart screen, right? chicago to new york. 125 a day. how many could we book? today, nada. four on thursday. these people that are stranded, there's ten major city destinations. when you look at the destinations, 7,000 of the flights have been canceled. how many people does that mean? 1 million people stranded. how many planes could those million people fill? look how fast they go by. 2,500. 2,500 planes. these four, major carriers would have to fill up all their seats. we didn't look for cheap flights. we were looking at flights anyway we could get them. $800 to $1,000, one way. that's the magnitude of the problem. you were saying earlier, chris, the politics of snow getting pretty heated here in new york. much of the city, still waiting for the plow to clear snow-clogged streets. sharyn alfonsi is right outside and has more on this. >> reporter: good morning, robin. what a mess. the fire department says they haven't dealt with this many 911 calls since 9/11. everybody is stuck. there's roads that are still not plowed. there's buses stuck. ambulances stuck. cars stuck. the mayor is urging patience. but new yorkers are not known for their patience. and they want heads to roll. if only hot tempers could melt snow. >> this was a royal screwup, to use the current terms. >> reporter: up and down the east coast, but especially in new york city, people are furious their streets are snowed over, and now are snowed in. and now, they are looking for someone to blame. >> we have been forgotten. >> reporter: city leaders say this was a perfect storm at an imperfect time. a holiday weekend. private tow truck and plow operators are on vacation. so, there's not enough trucks to clear roads. >> we cannot do everything all the time. and we are doing the best we can. i think this city has pulled together. i don't think that we should sit around and think that the end of the world is here. >> mayor, wear my shoes. wear my shoes to try to walk down here, do my job. >> reporter: some are questioning if manhattan, the city's wealthier burrough is getting special treatment, a point made by "the new york times" blog. pointed to in this treatment, and this one. something echoed loudly by the borough's president. >> move them out of manhattan, into brooklyn. every available vehicle you've got, to clean this place up. >> reporter: meantime, anger also boiled over into new jersey, where chris christie, the state's brash and often outspoken governor. >> accountability is more now than ever. >> reporter: was nowhere to be found. christie, a rising star of the republican party, was at disney world. in fact, about the only politician to weather the blizzard may be newark mayor, cory booker, who spent the day responding to tweets from str d stranded residents. personally helping shovel out cars. how many times have you seen that before? back here in new york, our mayor says, listen. he hopes that most streets will be plowed within 24 hours. but he refuses to promise, saying, he doesn't want to anger more residents. robin? chris? >> thanks, sharyn. now, to the trouble on the mountain in maine. a ski lift accident at a popular resort sent about 30 people plummeting to the ground. jeremy hubbard is at the ski resort, carrabassett, maine. good morning, jeremy. >> reporter: three children were among the injured. none of the injuries are life-threatening. but the big question, what was the cause? was it gusty winds? or a mechanical problem? two state investigators are on the scene this morning to find out what sent the skiers crashing down. the slopes turned into a triage center. >> i held on. and somehow my mom slipped through underneath the bar. >> reporter: the mountainside, cluttered with fallen skiers, who just plummeted through the air. >> my wife, daughter and i, immediately started helping out. getting chairs off of people. >> reporter: high above, 150 more skiers, stranded on the crippled lift for more than an hour, waiting to be rescued. the broken lift wires, dangling overhead. a pulley system, eventually brought them to safety. >> we looked down. there were some skiers who were skiing down. they saw the chair bounce, too. they stopped. and they looked up the hill. they were going, oh, my god. oh, my god. >> it was pretty scary. we didn't want -- i mean, we were up there for a really long time. so, we didn't want anything else to happen. >> reporter: it was about 10:30 tuesday morning, when the chair lift broke. the rope derailed from the tower, sending five chairs crashing 30 feet to the ground. witnesses say a worker appeared to be in the middle of repairing the lift tower at the time of the accident. we asked a resort spokesman about that. there was a worker on the pole at the time. is that right? >> i cannot confirm that. i do not know. >> reporter: investigators are also looking at wind as a possible cause. there were 40-mile-per-hour gusts at the time. in fact, the lift had been closed earlier in the day, due to high winds. but reopened, just a half hour before the accident. they wanted to replace the lift. it was their first priority, under a new improvement plan. they hoped to replace the 35-year-old lift at the end of this season. robin? . >> all right, jeremy. thank you very much. we're going to talk to rebecca london. she was on the lift. rebecca, it is so good to see you. you weren't injured, seriously. >> no, i wasn't. i was a little sore this morning. >> tell us what happened on the lift. >> i was riding the lift, and it stopped. which is completely normal. and it started again. and it stopped a second time. and it kind of jerked backwards. all of a sudden, i could feel myself falling and could see the chair in front of me falling, as well. >> what was going through your mind when you saw the chair in front of you falling first? >> it was happening so fast. i didn't even really have time. i guess at one point, i did kind of think, we're falling. but it was just happening so fast. i didn't even realize what had happened until i was on the ground. >> and because there was, what? 22 inches of fresh snow on the ground, you think that helped? >> i think that helped a tremendous amount. that trail has been known to be pretty icy during the wintertime. and i know i wasn't have been as lucky as i was if we hadn't gotten all that new snow on monday. >> yeah. rebecca, we heard there were high winds that shut down some of the lifts on the mountain. do you think wind was a factor in any kind of way? >> i mean, maybe it was a small factor. but i don't think it was a giant factor because i know the mountain wouldn't have opened the lift if it wasn't safe. and i also have been on that chair lift in higher winds. i don't remember it being outrageously high winds yesterday. >> so, you hit the ground. you know -- you check yourself out. thankfully, you're not injured. and then, you go and try to help other people? >> yeah. what happened was, i was at first worried about myself. and once i knew that i was all okay, i took my skis off. and i got up. and i started walking around. trying to find out what i could do. i don't know very much about medicine. so, i kind of focused on my strength of being able to calm younger kids down. and see if they were injured. and try to get help to them if they needed it. >> okay, rebecca. so, are you going to hit the slopes again? >> absolutely. i'm definitely planning -- i'll probably be out there tomorrow. >> so, this isn't going to prevent you? it is rare, to say that something like this has happened. but it's not going to keep you off the slopes? >> not at all. i know this never, ever happens. it didn't even enter my mind that something like this could happen, whenever i ride a chair lift. so, i know i'll be safe the next time i get on the hill. >> rebecca, thank you very much. glad everything worked out for you and everyone else. >> robin? >> yes. >> i wondered if i could say i'm thankful for what happened to me yesterday. but i want everyone to know that our thoughts are with those that weren't as fortunate as i was. >> well said, rebecca. thank you. and we're thinking of them, too. you take care. >> thank you. you have a nice morning. >> thank you, rebecca. you do the same. chris? >> what a good kid. good head and good heart. while the east coast struggles to recover from the epic blizzard, the west coast is bracing for round two of rain, flooding and mudslides. mike von fremd joins us from highland, california. he has the latest. mike? >> reporter: good morning, chris. as you can see, this devastated community is a long way from cleaning up the mud from the first storm. what we expect to get hit with today is really a triple-threat, of rain, wind up to 70 miles per hour, and it's already starting to get cold. hundreds of volunteers tried to shovel and clean up what they could, before highland gets slammed again. those who came to help, say they underestimated the task. what did you think when you first saw this? >> we got here, it was a lot worse than you see on the news. >> reporter: engineers estimate 50,000 cubic yards of debris, flooded the main storm sewer. they work to clean it. but today will be the test. volunteers say they've done their best. is it back-breaking? >> it's hard work. you feel it after a couple hours. but it's good work. >> reporter: residents have been evacuated. but say they want what they were forced to leave behind protected. >> i have nothing. i'm done. all i do is cry and sit here and cry. we need more help. you know, we need big help. >> reporter: in lan canada, near los angeles, big trucks are trying to clear the drain basins. if they get plugged up, the mountains could collapse on the homes below. now, the earth all across the golden state is saturated. experts say it will not take much rain to create serious problems. chris, we're in for a tough day. >> boy, mike. thank you for reporting from out there. a lot of weather situations around the country. in for samuel champion is our friend from minneapolis, station kstp, chikage windler. good morning. >> good morning to you, chris. mike was talking about the threat of more rain. look at how much more could fall. locally, three inches possible through the san joaquin valley. that's fresno and bakersfield. there continues to be quite a bit of rainfall today. then, the cold air comes in. 17 states, from washington, oregon, california and east, all the way to the dakotas, as well as minnesota, there could be a winter storm watch, warning or advisory. and in new mexico, blizzard warnings in effect. talking showers of a different storm system, from louisiana and texas, towards cincinnati, ohio. on the east coast, sunshine for a change. we'll have your latest local weather forecast in 30 seconds. and, robin, coming up, we'll talk more about the cold down in florida. >> all right, chikage, thanks so much. a new setback this morning for the most expensive broadway play ever created. "spider-man: turn off the dark" has been plagued with delays. now, one of the lead actresses who suffered a concussion one of those days is leaving the show. rob nelson has the details. >> reporter: the web of problems continues to get bigger for the sensation, "spider-man," with word that one of the lead actresses is making an early exit. natalie mendoza, who played a spider villainess, is leaving the blockbuster. the departure is the latest setback for the stunt-heavy show. >> the first actor left on a stretcher. and natalie mendoza made the decision to cut her losses. >> reporter: mendoza, who is best known for her lead roll in the 2005 horror movie, "the descent," also suffered a concussion last month, when she was struck in the head by a rope. the show has suffered several injuries. an actor in october, broke both wrists.s. another actor a broken toe. and last week, a stuntman fell 20 feet, after his harness snapped. putting him in the hospital with a hairline fracture and four broken ribs. mendoza tweeted about the ordeal. saying, a light in my heart went dim tonight. >> i didn't know much about it. at this point, people buying tickets to a preview of "spider-man," has to have heard that the show is having trouble. >> reporter: theatergoers are still lining up. >> it's a special effects are incredible. >> the special effects were absolutely fabulous. >> the flying work was so cool. >> reporter: for "good morning america," rob nelson, abc news, new york. >> despite all the trouble, many are looking forward to seeing it, when it opens, as rob said, later. but broadway did not shut down with all of the snow. >> the bright lights stayed on. one of the interesting developments during something like a blizzard. we keep hearing amazing stories of what people do to get home. this is a great one we want to share with you. one family stranded in buffalo. they didn't know how to get back to new york city. what did they do? actually, long island. the solution, hail a cab. $900 is what they wound up paying. but could be a discount. we talked to the mom about her very long and expensive ride home. take a listen. >> we went on dream vacation to disney world. but on the day we were supposed to come back, which was on sunday. we arrived at delta, around 12:30. but they told us they canceled all the flights. but we were lucky to book a flight with jetblue, to take us to buffalo. and then, we took this cab. when we got to the greyhound bus, he said that one of us should go and check if the bus is running. and there is none. what the airport taxis are charging to take people to new york is $1,100. he decided to waive $200. he charged me $900. it was so dark. the snow with the wind blowing. he was so careful. he was driving like 30 miles per hour. several times, we stopped. and, you know, we got some coffee. and then, we all use the bathroom. and then, we start again. i'm from nigeria. he's from jordan. so, we were talking about how life is. and we bonded, you know, a lot. we left disney at 9:00 a.m., december the 26th, on a sunday. and we got back to new york, in front of my door, on december the 27th, 10:00 a.m. >> through all of the hardship, though, people come together through unique ways. >> she really wanted to get home. >> she did. coming up, is this pastor not practicing what she preaches? 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how did he get free? >> oh. >> that's the backside. >> 8 months old. just a puppy. good morning, everybody. george is off this morning. i'm chris cuomo. >> good to have you here with us, chris. i'm robin roberts. also this morning, let's call it a wake-up call for cell phone users and a lot of us that, of course, use cell phones.phone could we also be dialing for disease? what we found living and thriving on cell phones. why? >> hold this for me. >> that's all right. i'm good. no telling where that phone's been. no way. you're just out and about. you're a kind of out-and-about reporter. >> segue. >> uh-huh. keep going. remember the story yesterday about the husband that may be facing five years because he supposedly hacked into his wife's e-mail. huge response from you. big opinions object whether it was right or wrong. but the main question that came up with all of it is, what kind of privacy issues do you have with your spouse? a very provocative question from this case. we're going to unpack it for you. >> heard from a loft viewers. many siding with the guy. >> a lot of strong opinions, worth taking a second look at. we will. first, we want to talk to you about the pastor police say they caught red-handed stealing from a parishioner's home on christmas eve. the pastor said she had good reason to take $10,000 worth of furs and electronics. she also, though, has a long rap sheet. ryan owens has the story. >> reporter: on the night before christmas, there was a creature stirring in this dallas house. and police say it was pastor sandy mcgriff. detectives say the 52-year-old broke into a home of a member of her own church. >> i'm not a particular. >> reporter: police have charged her with stealing more than $10,000 worth of fur coats, purses and a laptop. and she's under arrest. >> my big mistake was going through the window. >> she stepped right here. and she went inside the house. >> reporter: a neighbor spotted the pastor breaking a window. and then, allegedly taking the loot out to her car. but pastor mcgriff tells a very different story. she says she was in the neighborhood to pick up a peach cobbler, when something told her to go by that house. she says she spotted what looked like two burglars nearby. so, she broke into the home to protect the woman's belongings. in case those men came back. >> on the way out, the coats were right there. and i just grabbed everything at once. >> reporter: the pastor made her unusual defense surrounded by nine fur coats. she says, to prove, she didn't need to steal anybody's. it turns out sandy mcgriff has more than a dozen aliases and a criminal record from prostitution in the 1970s. her tiny chapel is in the back of her husband's furniture store. and after spending most of the day behind bars, she posted bail and was back to preaching for sunday's service. ryan owens, abc news, dallas. we're joined by sorita agnew, the woman who accused her pastor of robbing her home on christmas eve. thank you for being here. i know it's not easy to talk about. but thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> what did you think when you heard that your pastor was accused of robbing your home? >> i was devastated. i was devastated. and in disbelief. it was devastating. >> now, looking back on that day. the pastor had contacted you that day, right? >> that's correct. she had contacted me approximately half an hour before i got a phone call from the dallas police department. >> do you believe that through that phone call, the pastor knew you weren't going to be home at that time? >> she absolutely knew that i wasn't going to be home. she asked me if i was with my family. it was christmas eve. so, she knew that i was not going to be home. >> so, now, the hard reality. the allegation is, that the pastor went to your home, very simply, to burglarize, to take your things. can you believe that? >> no, it's kind of hard to. i'm in total disbelief, chris. i'm in total disbelief. >> you know the alibi, the story. do you accept that? do you think that, on the way to get a cobbler, the pastor saw people she thought was burglarizing your home, so she thought she needed to protect it by breaking in through a window? does that make sense? >> it does not. it does not make sense to me. furthermore, her version of the story has changed. you know, initially it was -- i asked her to stop by there. the dallas police department asked me, did you ask her to go into your home? and i said, i did not ask anyone to go into my home. and then -- now, the story is, the burglars. thank god for neighbors that, you know, will call the police when they see something that looks suspect. >> right. they certainly stepped up and did the right thing. that's for sure. so, let me ask you, serita, i know you've been talking to members of your church about this. this wasn't just anybody. this was your pastor. so, what does this make you think in terms of being a person of faith? how do you explain it to yourself? >> being a person of faith, i -- i've come to believe that, we are presented with challenges in our lives. and i believe that all of those challenges are tailor-designed, for us specifically, to bring us closer to god. and i have -- if i believe that for myself, i have to believe that for sandy. >> well, they say god has a plan, right? >> and my hope is -- yeah. my hope is that she finds her way. >> that has to be the hope right now. thank you to you, serita and your family. i hope you have a very happy new year and move past this quickly. thank you for joining us today. >> thank you very much for having me, chris. >> all right. have a happy new year. let's check in on other stories that are developing right now. sharyn alfonsi is here for juju chang at the newsdesk. good morning. >> good morning, chris. good morning, robin. we're going to begin with the growing double-dip in the housing market. new fug years show an unexpected drop in home prices in the fall in the largest cities. a passenger at miami airport is under arrest after his bag exploded on the tarmac, causing a security scare and delaying flights. turns out the bag was pull of bullet parts. the incident does not appear to be terrorism-related. overseas, an entire town in northeastern australia has been forced to evacuate because of the worst flooding in half a century. water seeped into nearly every building in town. and the floodwaters have yet to peak. and finally, times may be tough. but not at disneyland. only two hours after opening, the park had to turn people away tuesday. it was at capacity. full, for the second day in a row. the blizzard here in the northeast gets the credit. many tourists got stranded because their flights were canceled. so, they went to disneyland. seems like a good idea. splash mountain instead of dodging puddles in the northeast. good call by the parents. >> is this the part that we say that we're owned by disney? >> probably, right. if you're going to wait in a line somewhere, i'm going with any amusement park beats the airport. >> good company person there. thanks, sharyn alfonsi. >> earning your ears. time for the weather. in for sam champion, from our minneapolis/st. paul station, kstp, chikage windler. >> it was cold in florida. they had record lows. it was in the 20s yesterday morning. heavy rain out in portland, courtesy of katu. you can see it's rain causing a loft flooding issues. that rain could turn over to some snow. speaking of snow, lake tahoe area in california, already dealing with a lot of snowfall. with this next major storm system that's going to be pulling through. and you see the energy pulling off toward the east. and it will push its way toward disneyland, disney world. same difference, right? this weather report brought to you by wisk laundry detur gent. coming up next, dirty talk. the cell phone, we found things on it you need to know. the swab, never a good sign. ♪ hey! wait up! ♪ [ female announcer ] you see a mud stain. but new wisk sees a particulate stain. with our breakthrough stain spectrum technology, wisk is engineered to fight all the major stain groups like particulates and oils. 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wife, mary beth. we talked to them about how they turned a personal tragedy, into a message of hope and healing for everyone. it's a beautiful family. a beautiful message. and mary beth has a new book out that i highly recommend. we're going to talk to some of the chapmans a little later. >> cannot wait for that. also, obviously counting down to the new year. getting ready for our big bash. we're going to get help from someone who designed really big bashes. later this hour, bryan rafanelli is going to show you how to throw a new year's eve party. but budget-wise. the blizzard of 2010, brought some frightening moments for expectant moms here in the northeast. officials were telling people to stay home, stay off the roads, stay safe. that's not easy to do when you're in labor, headed toward the hospital. this morning, two stories of babies who really wanted to make dramatic arrivals. >> at about 6:30, i said to brad that, i think we need to make our way to the hospital. we shoveled ourselves out of the door. and out of our driveway. it was almost 8:00. >> reporter: joan and frederick mann headed to the hospital from their jersey city home. but their usual 20-minute ride stretched to over an hour and a half. and the baby simply wouldn't wait. >> my wife said, we're about to have a baby. she didn't say, i'm about to have this baby and -- right now, at this very second. >> right. well, the head is coming out. that was the next moment. >> i turned and i looked at my wife. and she had the baby in her arms. and it was one of the most -- just amazing experiences. >> reporter: and in oakland, maine, 25-year-old hillary pratt and her sister-in-law, were on their way to the hospital. it would be a cab ride they would never forget. >> mother, oh, my gosh. >> it's coming. >> oh, my god. it's coming. >> i didn't want to deliver him in the cab. >> the baby is crying. >> yep. it's crying. >> apparently, he wanted her to deliver him, i guess. like i said, it was pretty much like, one second and he was here. >> reporter: the healthy baby boy, named kielan, has an appropriate nickname. snowflake. >> when i had the door open, it was snowing. and snowflakes were landing on us. it was cold, it was a blizzard. and he was born in the midst of it. >> reporter: two babies. two miracles. >> and the manns named their baby, daniel christopher bellomore, which means beautiful love. let's go to sharyn alfonsi, in for juju at the newsdesk. >> it is day four after the blizzard that socked the northeast. chaos and confusion at many airports. thousands of passengers are trying to figure out how they will get home. it could be 2011 before things return to normal. hundreds slept on cots where some waited for nine hours on the tarmac tuesday, for an open gate. there is one success story. a pennsylvania marching band, grounded by the blizzard, has finally arrived in los angeles to rehearse for the famous rose parade. continental airlines scheduled an extra flight to get them there in time. >> i've always wanted to go to california. to go with the band. we almost didn't make it because the flight got postponed. but thank god. >> but you're here. >> we got here. we got here. >> and that high school band is 1 of only 12 playing in the parade. inspectors are getting down to work at a ski resort in maine, trying to determine if wind or mechanical failure caused a skilift to snap. 8 people were hurt after falling 30 people. the snow pack helped cushion their fall. extreme weather has not been limited to the east and the west coast this morning. in fl 234r, farmers say the cold weather has cost them $100 million in lost crops of fruits and vegetables. nutrition labels are coming to the meat aisle. beginning in 2012, labels that list calories, fat and cholesterol, will join your favorite cuts of meat. many nutritionists say the labels will be a wake-up call for meat eaters. a change at the post office. beginning next month, all stamps will be forever stamps. that means you will be able to use them when stamp prices go up again. no searching for the 1 cent and 2 cent stamps. and the future king and queen of england are breaking with tradition. prince william and his fiancee, kate middleton, say they will live without servants. they say hired help would spoil anywhere intimacy at home. yes. because scrubbing the floors always puts you in the mood. that's the news at 8:05. we go on to the weather with chikage windler. >> and, sharyn, we're starting -- [ cheers ] -- starting to thaw out here. is it cold out here? it is plenty cold. and not just here in new york. check out this video from miami. imagine being dressed in a scarf and maybe gloves, all the way south into florida. yep. the cold stretches all the way down south. i've got some good news. if you want to warm things up, check out the next few days. temperatures will be moderating in a big way. we could see 70s in miami. new york city, surging into the 40s. 53 in chicago. and across the west, we have western snow, eastern showers and lots of sunshine expected here in new york. we have folks from texas, braving the cold. and having a great time here. d everyone's giving a shoutout to their football team. these folks, from kansas state. i get to sigh go sooners on saturday. i'm from oklahoma. >> very strong. very strong. so, hundreds of you wrote to us after we told you the story of a man who could go to jail after logging into his wife's e-mail account. so, this morning we're going to bring you a cross-section of your very opinionated comments. we're also going to unpack this line of the secret. where can you and your spouse be and not affect your marriage? yesterday, we told you about leon walker. walker could go to jail for snooping in his wife's e-mail. >> i definitely feel it was okay to confirm that i read her e-mail, in our home. >> reporter: it didn't take long for the "gma" shoutout board to see a flurry of strong opinions on both sides. you live together, you pay bills together, wrote one viewer. you should be sharing everything in your personal and private lives as spouses. and that includes e-mails and social network accounts. norma cook everest wrote in, too. and we reached her by skype. >> each of us does need personal space. and we need private places in our lives to keep our thoughts and ideas and really to communicate freely. >> reporter: but there are so many new places in our electronic world. e-mail, text messages, social networks sites. so many of our conversations are being transmitted over the air waves and internet. which raises the question, what can get you in trouble these days? at what point do secrets go too far? >> being able to get access to people's calendars. to be able to stalk them to know where they're going. to be able to access the social networks sites. once you have the realm of public information, the areas in which you can invade privacy become endless. >> reporter: that includes secret bank accounts. secret friends. even secret shopping. david and brooke ashton are newlyweds. congratulations. would they snoop? >> yeah. but i think i would tell her first. >> i would probably tell him also. don't know before or after. but -- >> reporter: others differ. even amongst themselves. >> no. >> i mean -- once in a while. if his phone vibrates, i might take a peek. >> reporter: really? >> it can be helpful. >> reporter: ultimately, legal experts say, best to set some ground rules. >> if they don't agree on what information should be shared up front, there may be signs there are bigger problems in place. >> makes my hands sweat. let's talk more about the legal and emotional consequences of kwlishs like this one. on one end, we have robin sax. and in new york, we have couples mediator, lauren pew, author of the book "fight less, love more." thanks for being here. robin, let me start with you. specifically with the case we covered yesterday, with the man in michigan, do you think he goes away for what he did? >> well, if you look at the letter of the law, he has committed a crime here. the key issue, as a prosecutor, is that the prosecutor's going to play up, is there was a line in the sand drawn because he and his ex-wife, or soon-to-be ex-wife, actually already had a divorce filing in place. i think that's where the prosecutor's going to focus, that this is an invasion of privacy while you're still married under the same roof. this is an invasion of privacy after that line has been drawn. and i think your hands are sweating, chris. we know that we want to take a look see every now and again. >> i get you. that line in the sand. that's a fact that will turn the case on where they were with the course of the divorce. i get that. in general, laws will vary from state-to-state. but in general, how do you see laws across, on how we police spousal interference in our digital lives? >> digitally speaking, the law in this case, and many of the laws that are around the country right now that exist on the books, are way behind our technology. so, these laws are intended for identity theft cases. not necessarily spousal situations. but once you start extending it here, if this jury convicts this guy, i'll bet you we see more of this to come. >> let's be honest. we're opening this up to lori on the emotional side. the real concern is not going to the big house. it's going to the dog house with your spouse. on the emotional side, what are the rules at play here about what you should be able to see in my blackberry or online. what do you think? >> well, the rules from our world out here should translate to the technological media. and i write about this in my book, "fight less, love more," that we need to have five-minute conversations with our mate. if your mate is going out after work and having drinks with co-workers. you're not telling your mate don't do that. but every once in a while, you would like an invitation to join in. and the same is true with facebook and e-mails. you should be aware of the accounts that your partner has. all of the bank accounts. all the credit cards. all facebook, twitter and what not. if you want the passwords for comfort, you should ask for them. >> this is sticky. let's play it out. you see on the blackberry i have a password. oh, you have a password. and if i say i don't want you to have the password, how can i do that and not sleep on the couch? >> right. here's how to persuade your mate. and this is the key thing about verbal communication. how to say it the right way. you want to say to your mate, listen. i understand that you want privacy. but it really makes me uncomfortable. and it makes me feel suspicious. i don't want to be suspicious. so, can we put the relationship first? and allow each other, you give me yours. i'll give you mine. and let's be open book with one another. and i'm not going to abuse it. but this is how we can keep that trusting foundation. >> i get you. what you're saying is, start on the 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"beauty will rise," the recording coming out of an incredibly hard times in our lives and season, the music being a gift, i felt like, from god, as i walked through the grieving and all of that process of losing our daughter. >> reporter: this is a portrait of the chapman family, before the tragic loss of their 5-year-old daughter, maria. two years ago, she was struck by the family suv. her brother, will, was behind the wheel. >> to see the title come to life, "beauty rising out of that," this record, having connected with so many people. that's a real blessing. >> reporter: also a blessing and a real gift, mary beth, your book. "choosing to see." so incredibly raw in such a positive way, to express yourself through words like that. what was that experience like for you? >> it was difficult. you know? but really felt confirmed that it was time to write. not just the story of maria. but kind of look back in my life and write some of, you know, the ups and downs and the difficulties that we've had. and i felt like when i finished writing it, though, that god kind of whispered to me, you did that for yourself to work through so many things. and it's really okay to file your copy up on the shelf. i'll take it from here. >> reporter: you talked about your depression. as a woman, how you put that on the back burner because you don't want to let your family down. >> it was important to me to kind of put it out there and go, this is who i am. i thought i needed to make this a really honest book because i think it can help more people in the long run. ♪ search the ground >> reporter: the chapmans just wrapped up a tour together. it was part music/part soul-bearing. mary beth capturing audiences by speaking candidly about her death. >> this is an amazing woman. to have the courage to do what she's done this year. writing this book. doing the tour. getting up and sharing her story. and i'm just incredibly proud. and just blessed at how obviously her stewardness to walk through this. and it has been so hard. ♪ >> reporter: and it really was a family affair. the suns also performed on tour. their band, caleb, the opening act. a night with the chapmans on stage. part of it is talking about the healing and what has happened since the tragedy with your little sister. being there and hearing it, how are you? how are you when it's talked about so much? >> we spend a lot of hours praying about how this night should be. but for me, it was more of just the continuing of the healing process. to be able to celebrate more kind of like maria's life. you know, to see my mom up there and speaking. you know, about it. >> it was really a night of proclaiming, you know, what we believe. where our belief really is. and the beauty that's coming from, you know, the ashes, the dark story of that. and so, for us, it was like, to say that night after night after night, it -- you know what? you just -- you hang on to that and take another step the next day. and i think, you know, you can't help but see some of the good that's come from that. you know, as a mom, i still have the questions i wrestle around with. i would rather her be back with us and him not have to shoulder the burden. and all of us. it radically changed our lives. >> reporter: how is it being the big brother in this family? >> it's amazing. i'm kind of a spectator of miracles happening all around me. so much of the last 2 1/2 years have been about how our family's been doing with the accident. as weird as it is saying that, it's an honor to take part in the healing process. and just being supporters of my family. >> reporter: maria's little sisters, they're growing up. does one have the actling bug a little bit? >> our joy was the voice of the rhubarb in the new "veggie tales" dvd. it's called "it's a meaningful life." and they asked if one of our daughters would do the voice of an adopted little girl. she was awesome. it was great. ♪ let your light shine >> reporter: what's your wish for the new year? >> i think there's just some things that we have sort of been on hold last year, which sort of started to -- the numbness started to wear off in some ways. so, i really believe that this coming year is going to be a year with some real new healing and some new -- i just feel like kind of new. just got to be a thing that is going to happen for us as a family. >> and since we first met the family, both caleb and their dou daughter emily, have gotten married. you can read an excerpt of mary beth's book and see an extra performance on abcnews.com/gma. and i went online to find a way. ♪ what really excited me about chantix -- it's a non-nicotine pill. i didn't want nicotine to give up nicotine. while you're taking the medication, for the first week, you can go ahead and smoke. 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and can you do anything to not get sick at all this winter? we'll have prescriptions for staying healthy. >> how many have you had already? i remember this from you. >> you're right. i was a petri dish. now, i'm getting more sleep these days. and getting sick a little less. >> rub it. ? also, whodunit? we can only tell you who wrote it. we go inside the pages of a new murder mystery, by best-selling author, mary jane clark. now, fun on wheels. it's called the ride. it's the wildest ride you'll ever take. joining us is its president and ceo, jonathan danforth. >> the ride is once in sort of a lifetime. you need to experience it, brand-new in new york. essentially, it turns the streets of new york into a stage. and what happens is, people go on this ride. and they sit and watch performers all over the streets of new york, on about a 4 1/2-mile route. and they're entertained like they've never been entertained before. >> sometimes your audience, they're a little unique. this is intentional. the ride, it brings a lot of what people suspect about new york city to life. which is you'll always see something that will amaze you. there it is. no reason to stop. who else have we got? uh-oh. that's my move. that is my move. oh, that's good. yep. >> nice. >> impressive. impressive. thank you very much. and, homeboy, what have you got? >> i'm just a rapper. >> you could have had a back beat going during the other ones. that's okay, though. ♪ this is my promo i'm here with robin roberts ♪ ♪ and chris cuomo >> came to you, just like that. >> that's old-school. he's from queens. >> this is being well received, isn't it? >> it is. we're going into the new year with new things for the ride. every one is different. >> you got that right. >> in the new york spirit in the best way, you're going to give. you're going to help us with the warm coats, warm hearts drive. >> we are. >> what have you got right now? there it is. >> dropping it in the bin for us. >> we're choreographing it. wait for it. >> and you're back on camera. and drop it. there you go. go to any local burlington coat factory, if you'd like to donate a gently-used coat. the tally is getting higher and higher. we have a few more weeks that are left. i like the kiss thing again outside of times square. can we see that again? >> like that. >> nice. >> warms the heart. you want to find out where you can doe dmat a gently-used coat to someone in need, go to abcnews.com/coatdrive. now, time for the weather. in for sam champion is our good friend from our minneapolis/st. paul station, kstp. chikage -- where are you, chikage? >> i'm over here. i don't think anyone here is going to breakdance or kiss or rap. these are "gma" fans. most of them from texas, loving our cold weather, right? i'll tell you, all the way down to atlanta, they had an inch and a half of snow a few days ago. but things are improving. it should be in the 50s in atlanta today. courtesy of wsb, the live shot with the clouds rolling in. let's talk about cold temperatures. yesterday, two dozen record lows set. today, orlando waking up with 20s for lows. across the nation, storms in the west. dry here in the east. and this weather report, brought to you by lean cuisine. robin? >> chikage, thank you. it is the season for coughs, colds, fevers, flus. and the average person can get as many as eight to ten colds a year. this morning, we've got your prescription for staying healthy this winter. dr. keith roach is here. he's an internist, at cornell medical center. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> how do you know the difference between a cold and flu? >> it's not always easy to tell the difference. a cold starts slower. you start with a runny nose and a scratchy throat. and you may get eight to ten colds a year. flu, on the other hand, is much more severe. it starts off more suddenly. my friend, dr. felton says people get hit by the flu truck. sometimes they call up and say, i'm too sick to come in. i'm lying on the bed here, terrible body aches. temperature of 102, 103, 104. just miserable. >> is that when you should see a doctor? >> the thing about the flu, is we have a specific treatment for the flu. a medicine that goes by the name of tamiflu. if you start it in 24 hours of getting flu similar thomas, you can reduce the symptoms by a day or two. >> if you have the fever and the things you're talking about. >> fever is known with the flu. >> so, we have that going on. and you hear so many things. and you see ads about medicine you can take to prevent getting the cold or flu. are any of them really on the up and up? >> afraid not. >> sorry about that, guys. sorry. i tried. >> they can make you feel better once you get it. >> yeah. >> but there's really nothing that's going to cure things. and there's nothing that's going to prevent it. i heard chris say, he's getting more sleep now. getting sleep can ward things off. but the best way of not getting a cold, is not to catch it in the first place. >> how about the flu shot? is it too late to get it? >> it's not too late. we haven't hit epidemic levels. but we're on the upswing. it takes two weeks for flu shot to be effective. you want to get it as early as possible. >> and which age groups? seniors? babies? we go back and forth with who should get the flu shot? >> now, we're saying pretty much everybody should get the flu shot. if you don't want to get the flu, get a flu shot. >> all right. then, those tips that we hear about. beginning with wash your hands. i know it sounds really simple. buteffective, isn't it? >> i wash my hands somewhere in the order of 50 times a day. before i had kids i hardly ever got sick, keeping my hands so clean. we can't say it often enough. if you keep your hands clean, you're much less likely to get sick. >> any other suggestions? >> if you have to sneeze, we teach you to sneeze in the elbow. if you're going to be sick and you have to be sick, then stay at home if at all possible. try not to come into work. it's not always possible for everyone. if you have to come in, keep your hands clean. keep your dealings with other people to a minimum. >> we see the cold weather we have here and in much of the country. is it best to bundle up as best you can and ward it off as best use can? >> keeping warm doesn't make too much of a difference. keeping away from people with colds is going to prevent it. >> thank you very much. we appreciate that. especially this time of the year. thank you. time, now, for the final, finalist in our "gma" advice guru search. here's what scott nimmer had to say about beating holiday stress. >> the holiday season is stressful for everyone. my advice is take some time for yourself. that doesn't mean run away from your problems or your family. rather, take a look at what or who is causing your stress. step back. take a break for a while. you don't have to be by yourself. find what or who makes you happy. whether that's friends, family, a pet, or your computer. go there and unwind. if you spend time with others, it helps them relax, you can chalk that up as a good deed for the holiday season. >> you can tell us what you think about all of our finalists, read their personal essays and see how they responded to your questions. coming up next, inside best-selling mystery author mary [ female announcer ] letting go of your cigarettes can be hard. but the nicoderm cq patch gradually steps you down off of nicotine in just three steps, doubling your chances for success. nicoderm cq. 3 steps, 10 weeks and you're free. 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"to have and to kill." mary jane clark joins us now. this is a good one. i'm going to show the cover. it deserves the promotion. did you make this cake on the cover? >> i wish i made the cake. i think we'll show pictures of cakes i have made. and they're pretty amateurish. >> you master the genre. you make the news because you are involved in it. 12, successful books. you change. why? >> after 12 books, i think it's good to shake it up a little. while i was working on the 12th book, i was watching morning television. and martha stewart was on, promoting her book on wedding cakes. and looking at each one of these minimasterpieces, many keyed into a location for the wedding. i started to think, what if we did wedding cake mysteries. and each book in the series will have a different bride and groom. different family and friends. and different people that populate the location of the wedding, who become characters and suspects in the crime. >> i've never heard of anyone watching martha stewart do a segment and come with an idea for a murder story. i don't think that's ever how it's supposed to work. it did for you. and interestingly, and obviously, we're not going to give away what happens. >> right. >> but it is a very, very signature mary jane clark multidimensional narrative. you don't see things coming at you. but just as interesting is this confectionery aspect of it. you got into the cake game. >> yeah. >> a little bit of family history, right? your mother. >> my former mother-in-law, is mary higgins clark. >> yeah. cake, you understood a little bit. but tell me how this has developed for you. >> well, actually, i didn't know anything about cake decorating. and i took a cake at the cake decorating school. i think they will show pictures of the cakes i made. my families and friends enjoy them. but nobody has to worry that i'm going to go into business, for certain. but i do know how to write about it now. >> what does macular degeneration mean? >> macular degeneration is an eye condition where you can lose your sight. and one of the characters in the book has macular degeneration. my uncle has it. so, i was interested in it. and i went to the jersey library for the blind and met some people there, who have it. and was so impressed by the wonderful lives they had created for themselves, in spite of, you know, being visually challenged. and i decided i wanted to do a character based on that. and piper donovan, my main character, who is on facebook and you can friend her on facebook. her mother has macular degeneration. >> the news person in you never dies. you still have that interest in letting people know about things in the world beyond themselves. >> i think so. yeah. i definitely think so. it's good to be interested. you know, having worked in television news, it helps in the suspense writing because it's very adrenaline-based. you want to get to the bottom of things. >> it works for you. few do it as well. good luck with this. and good luck with the cakes. as you say, you need it. >> i do. >> but this is sure to be a success. thank you very much for bringing us to us. >> thank you for having me. >> happy new year. i'm going to go friend this piper. >> okay. >> piping around the cake on facebook. >> great. thank you very much. >> now, i know i've enticed you about the book. you want to read an excerpt and you can. mary jane clark's mystery, "to have and to kill," at abcnews.com/gma. and you get a taste there. when we come back, how to throw a new year's eve bash on a budget. oh, yes. time for our countdown to new year's eve. you have a couple days to put together a terrific theme party to ring in 2011. but how will you keep to your budget? our events designer, bryan rafanelli, the man behind president obama's inaugural ball and chelsea clinton's wedding is here. please become bryan to our program. >> thank you. >> all on a budget. you said you should have a theme. you can tell i'm in the party mood. thinking about a party makes me happy. >> at the end of the day, it's a great place to start. what's new year's all about? the countdown, the big moment. i hunt and gathered around the house. and found every clock i can get my hands out. we brought these out. use them as decor. took this right off the wall. turned it into a tray. or it can simply be design. and think about setting the alarms. the egg timer. the cell phone. have them go off at midnight. >> and you said this is all from one roll. >> yes. they like that. a $4 roll of ribbon. >> 4 bucks. that's it. >> put it all over the table. your guests will be wearing it on the way out. >> what's with the sugar here? >> i'm a planner. we do 100 parties a year. it's three days before new year's eve. you go to your house and a superstore. everything you see here you can do that. bring out the glass vases we love to save. these are sugar inside these. i love to reinvent them. it's sugar. >> we never use all of the sugar in the house, right? >> there you go. here's our countdown coming into this. all the numbers. when you walk down the aisle of the hardware store, you'd be surprised how many numbers are there. and spray painted them. >> love this idea of crystallizing them. >> create a little surprise. personalize things. check this out. we went online, went to facebook. grabbed people's faces. your beautiful face is right there. >> why, thank you. >> and you know what? >> i love you. i love you back. >> these circles, it's a hole punch that side. everybody hates the tiny, confetti. make it big. >> what's up with the hats? >> i love the hats. my uncle used to throw a party. he had a big hat collection. and he would send us to the basement to get the hats before midnight. in this case, ask your friends to bring a favorite hat. everybody loves a hat on new year's eve. >> it says a little about them. >> it does. >> sorry about that. i can't ever go to a party. that's me at a party. i love this right here. >> this is a big tip. think about this. you're in a crowded cocktail party. what do you see? all designs should be shoulders and above. the other thing i like to think about is what are you going to use at the party? you're going to have champagne glasses. why not turn them into a theme. here's our countdown again. and i only broke a few trying this out. anyway, this is an old chestnut in our design book. this is bubble wrap. it's good for new year's eve. roll it out. >> doesn't it sound like new year's? >> clear tape seaming it. might be easier on a square table. but it's a really good idea. >> clever. all of the gifts we've received, may be wrapped in bubble wrap. you have it right here. what do you have here? >> check this out. okay, so. i heard about this through a client of mine. they were at a crazy crowded party here in new york. 1,000 people in the party. take over the air rights to the party and create a little bit of a surprise. when we pull this down, look what we have here. little sweets, right? >> are these edible? >> of course. they're real. they're actually my favorite. >> ooh. >> and they're light. >> what is this? >> meranges. they're good for your heart. >> carry the theme. >> think about going to one place and what you can find in that one place. >> bryan, thank you so much. >> happy new year. >> happy new year to you, too. you can get full details on the budget-friendly party planning tips on our website, abcnews.com/gma. we'll be right back. cheers. salsa? ♪ [ female announcer ] the cleaner the counter, the smoother the counter. with bounty you can be confident you'll get your counter clean. in this lab test, one sheet of bounty leaves this surface 3x cleaner than the bargain brand. ♪ big mess? bring it. super absorbent, super durable, super clean. bounty. the clean picker upper. and for huge value, try bounty huge roll. here's what you should be watching: your cable bill, because you could be paying way too much. stop spending more for second best. upgrade to verizon fios and get tv, internet and phone, for just $99.99 a month for a year -- call now for this special holiday bonus. over 25 hbo and cinemax channels free for 3 months, plus hbo go and max go. watch you favorite movies and shows anytime, anywhere. there's no term contract required. if you don't love fios, you can cancel anytime with no early termination fee. get the best channel lineup, superior picture quality, more hd, plus internet rated #1 in satisfaction, speed, and reliability. why keep paying for cable? 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