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not discussed sanctions with the russian envoy. flynn later admitted the issue may have come up. earlier monday, kellyanne conway senior white house advisor said flynn "has a full confidence of president trump." while sean spicer told reporters that the president was monitoring the situation and it was speaking to the vice president and others on his team about flynn's future. following flynn's resignation, president trump may retire keith kellogg as the acting national security advisor. kellogg who advised mr. trump during the campaign was previously appointed the national security council chiefs of staff. we are told that president trump is also considering his former cia david patraeus and vice admiral robert harbert the navy seal. the justice department warned the trump administration that flynn could be in a compromised situation due to the conversation. the conversations were picked up by u.s. intelligence as part of routine monitoring. foreign officials to medications in the u.s. if flynn indeed offered assurances about the incoming administration new approach, it could have been a breach of diplomatic protocol. it could also have been in violation of the logan act. the law aimed at keeping citizens from conducting diplomacy. this has been a fox news alert. on the resignation of national security advisor michael flynn. now, back to "hannity" already in progress video on social media showing a man being detained by an i.c.e. agent in from of a fast food restaurants in the chilling >> sends a chilling message. while few modern in the social media have -- a routine. on top of that, the media is now actively working to help and protect illegal alien lawbreakers, "usa today" has put out ane article with the headle "what to do if immigration officers come knocking at your door." really? could you imagine if the tables were turned in a conservative outlet had encouraged? not -- president trump made it very clear he is going to deport criminal illegal immigrants and it was one of his key campaign promises.gn that's not stopping the left into the press relentlessly talk back attacking the president. i want to take a moment and remind these trump skaters that are so lazy that it was barack obama and bill clinton. they said the exact same thing as donald trump. don't believe me? take a look yourself. >> it is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must do more to stop it. >> we all agree on the need to better secure the border into punish employers who hire illegal immigrants. we are generous and welcoming people in the united states but those who enter the country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard to those who are following the law. >> today our immigration system is broken and everybody knows it. even though we are a nation of immigrants, we are a nation of laws.. undocumented workers broke our immigration laws and i believe that they must be held accountable. if you were criminal, you will be deported. >> sean: where was the outrage over those statements? this shows the rampant hypocrisy from the alt left, they will attack donald trump on anything to try and score cheap political points. president trump just like many of his predecessors, he wants to keep americans safe. that's the bottom line here. the left wants to play the race card while the president wants to stop the drugs from pouring across the border. let's look at some of the statistics here. according to a 2015 report from the migration policy institute, an estimated 820,000 of the projected 11 million illegal immigrants living in america,1 they are convicted criminals. in a fiscal year, 36.6% of the over 70,000 federal sentences were for crimes committed by illegal aliens. as we have shown you, i've personally been down to the border at least a dozen times, d and boats, flying in helicopters, altering vehicles, i have seen up close drug, warehouses, floor to ceiling packed with drugs that were headed right for your children. i seen illegal immigrants being arrested including one gang member and two weeks ago, we sent a "hannity" producer to the border and he caught on videomb 400 pounds of drugs that werer headed to your communities. back in 2014, this is really important and eye-opening. t i sat through briefing with former texas governor rick perry. we were told a shocking statistic about illegal immigrant crime just in the state of texas. watch this. >> 642,000 offenses, criminal offenses. >> in seven years? have been orchestrated -- brave men and women that are literally using military tactics to fighti what they considered to be cartels? that is a huge story. >> i trust the people, the professionals that work on this border every day. they put their lives on the line. >> sean: this is beyond a serious problem, it is impacting every single american and the american people, you know what? your families, friends, communities are being hurt and you are paying a lot of money because of the look of immigrants, crimes and drugsar that are coming across the border. it's very simple, president trump says he wants to stop this from w happening. but again, many on the altar radical left are doing everything they can do to prevent it from happening and is putting american lives in danger. here now to debate the issue, univision news anchor jorge ramos. are you at all concerned about americans that have been killed by illegal immigrants? are you concerned about the drugs i have come into thiss country? are you concerned about theig money americans have to pay for illegal immigrants as it relates to our educational system, health care, criminal justice? you say you do not recognize the country, well, i think america is a country of law. do any of these things impressra you at all or do you have any concern for your fellow americar citizens? >> absolutely, absolutely. no one here including me is a defending criminals in this country. no one is defending terrorists or rapists. but when you're presenting this issue is completely biased, absolutely wrong. it's completely biased because you are --dash >> sean: with all due respect, i have will not let you challenge my facts.n: these are all facts. >> let me give you my argument. this is the reality. the vast majority of immigrants in this country, the vast majority, sean, are not criminals. they are not terrorists. and they are not rapists. checked report by the american immigration counsel. immigrants are less likely to be criminals than those born in the united states paired they are less likely to be behind bars then u.s. citizens. >> sean: that's not true. that's not true. 36% of the 70,000 people thats. went to a federal prison, that's not true. >> what are you presenting -- most immigrants in this country, undocumented immigrants committed a crime by coming to the united states but that does not mean that they are killing americans. that does not mean that they are rapists. now is my chance, sean. let me give you a number -- since 1990, and i think we can agree with this, the number of undocumented population went from 3.5 to about 11 million. i think we can agree with that. >> sean: i don't think anyone knows the true number. but that's the number many peoplee use. >> we all are working with 11 million, i believe that even though you might not agree with that.or we agree that it went from 3.5 to 11 million. according to the fbi, in that same period, violent crimes in this country decreased by 48%. so that's the fbi. those are the facts, sean. even though you might want to present undocumented immigrants as criminals, that's not the case. >> sean: over 70,000 -- excuse me. hang on now. now it is my turn. in 2015 -- 36.6% of the over i 70,000 sentences were for crimes committed by illegal immigrants. i just played for you, i sat in a security briefing over a seven-year period of time, texans alone 642,000 crimes including -- not the majority -- including rape, sexual assault, murders of people in texas, and hang on -- 642,000 -- one state in seven years,n it is unforgivable. we will not risk american lives, i want you to listen to this woman.we an angel mom. i did a whole town hall with mother's who had their children murdered by illegal immigrants. listen to this mother. >> my son was an integral part of the community, his life was cut short by a repeat criminal. the loss has been felt for years. >> when i found out this guy was here illegally across the border, i was outraged. this should not be happening. our children should be protected, our citizens should be protected.r us americans should come first. >> sean: here's my question, donald trump wants to get rid of criminal aliens.us he said he will show more compassion for those people that have been law-abiding -- you are describing something that's not true. do you agree with me -- should every criminal illegal immigrant be thrown out of this country? >> if they committed a real crime, absolutely, the problem is how do you find a crime? >> sean: how about driving drunk in our streets? using drugs? in what bothers me, how many times have you been down to the border where all the crime is? have you ever been to a drug warehouse? >> i have been there hundreds of times. the problem is that you are criminalizing a whole population. now is my turn -- >> sean: 642,000 texans. >> thanks to immigrants, crime is going down in this country. i'm not defending those who have killed people. i'm not defending those who have committed rape. i cannot even imagine the pain of the mothers that you showed because of the loss of their family members. >> sean: and there's manyai more. many, many more. >> incredible, but the vast majority is -- they are not criminals, they are not rapists or gang members. this is what donald trump did. she has been in this country for 22 years. she has been in this country for 14 years, legally. this is exactly what donald trump -- the deportation has been doing. >> sean: that's not the norm either. the american taxpayer pays trillions of dollars for illegal immigrants that did not respect our laws and sovereignty to send their kids to school, it -- we have spent trillions of dollars over the years as it relates to the criminal justice system and our health care system. you said this is not the america i know. well what america do now? were people break the law and people do not respect american sovereignty? some of them lose their children just because you define compassion as open borders? you are willing to risk the lives of american citizens for this to continue? >> i do not agree that we need a wall because over 40% -- doesec not matter how big our wall -- 40% of undocumented immigrants come from a plane or -- this is a waste of time or money. >> sean: why should we have to pay for the citizens of mexico, education, health care, if they break laws, sending them to jail? do you care about the americans? >> let me give you the other argument. in cities and states, they are spending billions of dollars on immigrants.di i agree with that. they are already paying not because of undocumented immigrants, they pay taxes, create jobs, they do the jobs that nobody else will do. remember the immigration proposal in 2013?o >> sean: we will pick it up right there. stay right there. we will be back with our debate with jorge ramos. coming up laura ingraham, tomi lahren and jessica tarlov, they'll debate on the unrelenting attacks against the president's 10-year-old son and grandchildren. we will show you this disturbing example and more as "hannity" continues. as "hannity" continues. ♪ ♪ this is my retirement. retiring retired tires. and i never get tired of it. are you entirely prepared to retire? plan your never tiring retiring retired tires retirement with e*trade. i'm in vests and as a vested investor in 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conversations. when he claimed that russian sanctions were not discussed. going flynn's resignation, president trump named retired lieutenant general keith kellogg is the acting national security advisor. kellogg, who advised mr. trump during the campaign was previously appointed the national security council chief of staff. flynn's resignation comes as a trump administration faces several security challenges including north korea's latest missile launch. that's news. i am kelly wright. now back to "hannity" ." >> sean: welcome backry to "hannity," jorge ramos of univision. i want to ask you about extremen vetting. we have an enemy, called radical islam.os so, we have the seven countries and there are others, that have ties to terror. what he saying is we were going to probably inconvenience people that they are not the people that james call me and the cia director, the national director of intelligence, former special envoy, they all said that isis will infiltrate the refugee population. do you support extreme vetting to protect americans and not gamble with american lives? >> now we are treating other immigrants in these -- simply because they were born in another country? >> sean: are you willing to gamble with american lives? >> you might think that you are right, sean but many people think that what donald trump -- undermining the national security of the united states, that's the point of view. >> sean: jorge. jorge. radical islamists are at war with america. need i remind you of, chattanooga, fort hood, the boston bombing, san bernardino, the orlando nightclub. i remind you of all these things. these countries have contacts with terrorists. you're willing to make this choice. instead of the inconvenience of people from countries we know have ties to terror because obama told us that you are willing to gamble with the livee of americans and not vet them, that, to me, do you really carei about your fellow americans at all? >> my kids were born here, sean. they were born here. i'm glad that you mentioned the boston bombing, san bernardino, 9/11. because guess what? none of the terrorists are part of the seven -- >> sean: you are not answering my question. excuse me. we now have identified 72 people convicted from the seven countries since 9/11. you are willing to gamble with the lives of americans rather than inconvenience people that come from countries that have terrorism? >> it's the constitution, sean. it all depends -- if trump is so right, then how come four judges -- >> sean: they went judge shopping. you don't think the ninth circuit -- by the way, it has overturned about 80% of the time -- >> that's why came to this country, because balance. censorship. balance of power. >> sean: why are you willingan to side with a little inconvenience, not from citizens but from people that want to visit our great nation, they are going to be inconvenienced, yes. but why are you willing to -- >> i am an immigrant. >> sean: why are you willing to gamble with the lives of americans? that is reckless and irresponsible. >> i believe in this country. in the laws of this country, the freedoms, and the declaration of independence -- >> sean: they are not citizens, jorge! >> this is our country. this is our country. >> sean: 3,000 people died on 9/11. >> we are not as they want to portray us. >> sean: i sat through a security briefing -- i played at the beginning of the first segment. >> just because you're saying that, sean -- >> sean: the people on the front lines are lying to me, is that what you are saying? took her mothers lost their kids. why do we risk their kids' lives because you want open borders and you are unwilling to ask people to come here willingly? you do not respect the american law or do you seem to care -- >> i do respect the law. it's much better than -- >> sean: that's beyond a joke. that's just not reality. >> i do not think so, sean. even though we do not agree on anything, i really appreciate the fact that we can have this conversation because we need these conversations to change the things the way they are. >> sean: i want people to come here. my grandparents all over immigrants..t i'm just asking people -- follow the law, do it legally, let usr check you out and then you can become a part of our family. >> they are here because there are thousands of american c companies --. >> sean: and they were checked out.he >> your audience and you and me will benefit from the country that was built by immigrants. >> sean: when we come back, laura ingraham here with reaction for a interview with jorge ramos. and later tonight... >> we cannot let the wrong people in. i will not allow that to happen during this administration. and people, citizens of our country want that. >> sean: president trump"s standing by his plans for extreme vetting -- we'll have laura ingraham with reaction.co and later tonight, tomi lahren and jessica tarlov go head to head about the left attacking donald 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convicted of a crime loose on the streets.. we have almost 200,000 people who have been convicted of a crime beyond just being in the country illegally who have not been apprehended or removed from the country, now people like jorge ramos will say they are from countries that will not take them back. don't you think the united states has a lot of leverage? if there are certain countries that refuse to take their criminal population back, there's a lot we can do to change that dynamic. you just need a president who has the will to follow through on what is fair and what is practical which is this is your country, the citizens from yourt country, we jailed them for a i period of time, now they finish their sentence, they need to go home. or we found them after they've been accused of multipler felonies. we're going to deal with them and then ultimately they will have to go home. bearently we are supposed housing the world's criminal population as long as they came here legally first. it's craziness. >> sean: isn't non-american non-american to say come in legally and are you going to respect our sovereignty and law? similarly, it's the same thing it's with the whole vetting issue. seven countries that have ties to terror training, but we are not going to gamble with the lives of american people. what other country, can you think of any, that allowse. anybody, you can walk across the border, stay there, when i go to great britain -- i have been to israel. they vetted me? >> yeah, i went over to do my radio show once in israel. my producer and i -- we were actually in hysterics, we almosh did not make our flight going back, they took apart our microphone, every aspect of our equipment to make sure there was nothing in it. it was actually really comforting, inconvenient, they are doing their job is to enter that country. turkey does a pretty good job as well. the istanbul airport, you walk through, common sense personality profiling. i think it does make sense. back to jorge. he's very impassioned, he fights for what he believes in. i get that. i do understand that. >> sean: he's fighting for the very things that mexico would never allow. we know if you are from central america and you walk into mexico, you were either going to jail or you're going home and there's no discussion. >> what he has to understand is ultimately, this is not going to hold. you can have the marches and shut down the streets and havely really colorful signage and so forth -- ultimately the middle class in america is not able to make a living based on the fair wages they are going to be t pad on a real market-based system, not a phony system where we have a constant flow of illegals across the border, lower wages, that system will ultimately not hold. a lot of the frustration right now, donald trump is the vessel for it. responded that in the campaign. it's not good for middle-class latinos where working hard, whos came here legally. or low income white people, or people from europe who are struggling. there has to be a level of fairness that applies to all people legally in the united states and if you are here illegally, you cannot boo-hoo about how you are going to be separating families. it's just not fair to everybody else was trying to make ends meet in the end. >> sean: we will take a break, more with laura right after the break and coming up next tonight... >> we cannot let the wrong people in and i will not allow that to happen.d people, citizens of our country during this administration. want that. >> sean: the president standing by his plan for extreme vetting, to keep you, the american people, safe. and also, the left continues to show they are more than willing to go after the president's family, even his grandchildren l and 10-year-old child. look at ivanka's clothing line -- that was just the beginning. we will have the very latest on. all that, tomi lahren, jessica tarlov, they will have a debate straight ahead. dear predictable, there's no 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pursuing all options, thosei options include seeking emergency in supreme court, having an emergency hearing, we are going to the trial court in the district level and a trial on theoi merits. they also include as you mentioned, the possibility of new executive actions designed to prevent terrorist infiltration of our country. i want to say something very clearly. this is going to be very disappointing to the people protesting the president and the people in congress like senator schumer who have attacked the president for his lawful and necessary action. the president's powers here are beyond question. >> sean: while the administration plots its next move, the center for immigration studies analyzed the senate judiciary data. they found that 72 individuals from the seven countries covered in trump's executive order have in terror cases since 9/11 2001. continue with laura ingraham. all right, i want to look at a broader picture here. what miller clearly was talking about, enumerated powers of the president as the commander-in-chief and obviously u.s. code 81182 which we have all discussed, first to go after kellyanne. then they go after bannon, darth vader. now they're going after miller. we will talk about this next, donald trump's 10-year-old son? now his grandchild and eric trump has to stop he was fundraising for st. jude's hospital. ivanka trump, kelly's yan. don jr's kids. >> don't you wish you were in the white house, sean? >> sean: here's my question, i think this is an effort to demonize, delegitimize and hurt and make it hard for everybody around the president, it's an i orchestrated effort. >> isolate, demonize, a delegitimize, dismiss. we know that, you've been it's dealing with it for years on air, exposing it when obama was just taking over, during the t campaign in 2008. this is what they're going to do.. what you have to do when you are messaging important changes and necessary changes in policy? what do you do? the way you roll it out isce important. the way you set the tone of the objective is important. when you do will roll out right, it makes it more difficult for the left to caricature you, to embarrass you, maybe they will even succeed. but it is very important for the trump team to all be on the same page and reiterating the same themes. not stepping on each other's narrative, not stepping on the overall point here which is to keep the country safe and to do this the right way. early on, everyone is trying to get their footing. i think the left and some of the media are taking advantage of the fact that this is new stuff for a lot of the folks in the white house. it is new, not a criticism. f governing is different from campaigning. you need a strong chief of staff, a strong communications team and you need people who are unafraid and courageous. i think they have all that, but i think they're still findingin their footing. i think it's going to be fine but -- >> sean: it was personal and unfair, look at all the stories that have come out, a shadow white house where obama is going to be, organizing people organizing the protesters, scheming to sabotage president trump, jim webb said there's a campaign on capitol hill, to personally discredit trump.e' bill maher saying president trump is mentally ill. cnn had to guess is we can suggesting the same thing. all of this -- it seems like there's an effort to delegitimize, it took a little bit of time, there's no honeymoon period for this president. t >> we knew that. we said it's going to be war every day right after the election. they will challenge every action you take in court. you better make sure you have your key team members in placeec before you rush out to do something. >> sean: how funny was this, joy villa is the singer, she wears "make america great" and "trump" on the back and sales skyrocketed on itunes. maybe there is a message there for hollywood in the music world. >> hey, sean, there is an opening here. a fashion line, it's all 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"the hill" is reporting that strzok and page exchange the text messages about tracking downages information about a "new york times" reporter that they wereport referencing in tht text. why would they be looking into a "new york times" reporter? page writes: and strzok says: they take horrible -- they want the trump hotel to fail. both reports are saying that because of the existence of various textis messages, referencing the news media, congressional investigators are now working rightly to determine if there was any improper liking to the press about the rush investigation. how else would you interpret those words? john solomon, sara carter, they will be here with all of the explosive details, that is coming up. also, members of the media, liberals and hollywood, they are giddy tonight over what? oprah winfrey speech at the golden globes, which i would say with very good. many are saying that she sounded presidential and was a campaign style delivery. according to new reporting, oprah is considering running in 2020. here is a part of what oprah said of theke golden globes. let's take a look. >> so i wants all the girls watching here now to know that a new day is on the horizon! >> sean: now to the media, the left in this country, strzok os their chosen one, their messiah that they will blindly worship and follow like the sheep they are. here's why. the media on the left in this country, they now seem to think that oprah is the one person i could help them fulfill their ultimate goal, to destroy donald trump and defeat president trump. just look at how the media, how transparent they are, fawning over oprah's speech. does this remind you of the same people that never vetted obama and attribute zero seven end '08? we don't know much about her politics but we know she's inspiring on tv. watch this. >> she'skn known as the queen of talk and last night, the world was listening. the all-star crowd captivated by her poignant message of female empowerment, a a speech so inspiring, many calling for her to add yet another title in front of her name, president. >> oprah bringing the audience to its feet, setting the tone for hollywood, and women around the globe. >> after that speech, she had quite a few people in that roo, saying they sure did like the sound of president oprah winfrey. >> if she were to get income of the next day, she would be leading the fight for the democratic nomination. >> i was back in the room while the speech was going on, and i will tell you this, everyone is mesmerized. >> that speech last night was not only empowering and inspirational but i thought it also echoed a lot of hillary clinton since concession speech. >> it was 5 minutes of desperately needed therapy for anyone who was watching for you to. >> it gave people who open it reminded people what is so great about this country and the strides that this people have made and how we still have so much to be helpful for. >> sean: that doesn't show their bias? oh, yeah, it does. after the speech, and bc treated an endorsement for oprah. look at this. nbc called out for their massive display of bias. they deleted the tweet had quickly tried to shift blame for someone else by putting the statement on twitter that says, "yesterday tweeted about the golden globes and oprah winfrey was sent by a third party, not them, and agency for nbc entertainment in real-time during theme broadcast. it is a reference to a joke made during the monologue and not meant to be a political statement." that's what they have msnbc four. they are the operative arm and basically an extension of theio press office of the anti-trump media. really? does anyoneli believe that? i personally don't. a third party agency?to are they trying to get some poor kid fired over this? nbc got caught red-handed and noww they are trying to spin ths and hope that we it will all go away. let's be honest here.yo when you're talking about nbc, they are not fooling anyone about where their politics and political allegiancesti lie. look at conspiracy theory 24/7 msnbc. hate trump, hate trump, hate crime, that is our programming for today. nbc, like the rest of the media, they despise, loathe, hate the president and is not a secret. let's all stop pretending because the game is over. when bc wasn't the only destroy trump outlet to keep praise on oprah. take a look at these headlines. "the new york times," president oprah? after the golden globes, some have a 20/20 vision. "usa today," oprah 2020. her speech has fans dreaming of presidential bid. the guardian, cut oprah winfrey run every president had been met? and then there is hollywood come after last night speech, all of these private were all showingth off their newfound political affection for appropriate this is their new savior. take a look. >> there is a movement afoot, oprah 2020. >> i'm not kidding you, i am all about oprah 2020. >> obviously, president president oprah winfrey, it just rolls off the tongue. >> the reaction online, please run. >> i hope she runs for president. >> i think she's our next president. >> sean: did any of them ever see a nice word about trump ever? the economy is doing better than it has an eight years. where does oprah stand on the issues? here is what meryl streep is saying about oprah.p?y do "she launched a rocketars.s.wh . i want her to run for president. i don't think she has had any intention of declaring but now she doesn't have a choice." poor oprah, your life is not committed. others like obama's former speechwriter, he got any action of tweeting, "oprah winfrey is as brilliant and inspiring as any public figure today. she doesn't directly speak to celebrity america, should be speaks to america. don't underestimate her." cnn political analyst we did this: look, i know you people in hollywood, and all of you in the liberal media, i know you were all intoxicated and addicted to trumptr hate, but maybe you ougt to put a little bit of pressure on the brakes with your oprah obsession. are you ready to go that deep into your oprah speech commotion that was brilliant in many ways? i have no problem with oprah winfrey. what she did in many ways was great. i'm glad to see sheea stood up l women, especially in hollywood. i support that, as i think everyone should. i also think oprah has ak tremendous capacity for human empathy. have you ever watched her show? she is an incredible, strong personal story, overcoming sadness and tragedy and horrible upbringing. i applaud her for what she has done in her life. politically, all i know is that she has a board and barack obama. other than that, i don't know that much about her in terms of runninges for president. i was to the media and the snowflake hollywood left, take a deep breath, control your giddiness. i know you hate trump.s don't jump on me oprah 2020 train just yet. the economy has never been better in eight years and i know you don't like that this president stands up sooner korea and iran and he's not trying to bribe murdering dictators. you will have to get use to peace through strength because it actually works, so buckle up, it is going to be a rough three years from here. that is the problem with the left. i will never understand why they are there looking for a messiah, a savior, someone that will save thesa country. we don't need another liberal chose her to fix our problems with more government. reagan once said that government is not the solution, it's the problem. we need more individual freedom in this country. we need more liberty. look at what the liberals dead in the last eight years. can you even look? you all loved obama. his track record was atrocious. to all of you starstruck people tonight lookingng for your next chosen one, you may want to relax and stop trying to buy your ticket on me oprah 2020 train.e here's the other point tonight. the hypocrisy from the left, liberals, the golden globes, it's stunning but it's not surprising, very predictable. everyone, just like in the liberal media, everyone, to basically a person, praising oprah. by the wake of much of the degree hollywood, for their movement of me too, it's greatmi what she did. i think it's awesome. but we can forget that misconduct is and has been rampant in hollywood for decade. i i don't trust anyone that they are really coming in their deep heart of hearts, except the people that were victims. actually believe while they are saying at this point. why? a lot oflo hypocrites out theren this issue. for example, room or hollywood embraced director roman polanski? he was accused of raping multiple times a 13-year-old girl. 1977. after hee gave her champagne and quaaludes. at the time, he was 43. he was eventually charged with six felony counts but he fled to europe before being sentenced. you would think after that, hollywood would be completely in the business of disowning and renouncing roman polanski. that never happened. here's what i did instead. back in 2003, he won an oscar for best director and the celebrity filled audience erupted in applauseer like i had never heard before, even the roman polanski can't come back to america because he was avoiding authorities overseas. listen to the level of cheering when his name is called out by harrison ford. watch this. >> roman polanski. "the pianist" [cheers and applause] >> sean: really? standing ovation? raucous applause? a child rapist, a 13-year-old to give drugs and alcohol to? at its worst. hollywood support of him did not and then, in 2009, when he was arrested in switzerland and connection to the 1977 case that he ran away from, he had over 100 celebrities, many hollywood signing a petition demanding his release. like i said, it's all great. hollywood, pat yourself on the back of my 50,000 award ceremonies a year, i can't stand it or watch a second off it. it took decades and countless people that suffered before you finally are able to do it and do it right? joiningwi us now with reaction,e have the host of michelle malcolm investigates, michelle malcolm. former white house press secretary sean spicer. it was 2009, michelle, when the writer signing a petition for r. use out the roar and the standing ovation. i think oprah was right. she says -- i have faith in her. i don't have faith in all of the people racing for the next savior. >> in the clip that you just showed, among the people who left to their feet for roman polanski were hypocrite meryl streep and of course now accused multiple predator harvey weinstein. i have to disagree with you slightly, sean, because as much as i -- >> sean: we have been family for years. go ahead. >> [laughs] that's right. i do not join in all of the effusive praise for oprah's speech last night. i thought it was textbook partisan, and ideological identity liberalism. and she, herself is one who has been accused by multiple victims of harvey weinstein ofg being a fixer for harvey weinstein. there are many infamous pictures of her -- >> sean: i've seen the pictures. but to be fair, did she know? we don't know if she knew. a lot of people have taken pictures with meth and you over the years. we don't know them. >> no question about it. but the consensus from so many of the people who have been complaining about harvey weinstein for years and have been ignored is that "everybody knew." meryl streep knew and many people believe that oprah winfrey knew, as well. so look, the idea that hollywood and democrats strategists think somehow that oprah winfrey has a chance in 2020 and that she is allowing all of us pause to happen, she has her boyfriend, stedman, cheering on all of the casa about a potential run, what would we get? we would get another eight years of the same kind of chicago machine identity liberalism that we got under barack obama who has, in part, so large a role of oprah winfrey to thank for getting him where he was. last night, all of hollywood,ra and oprah, were pretending as if the last eight years of the obama administration didn't happen. that come unto me, is what is most troubling. the unreality of the people in the hollywood bubble. >> sean: sean, i go back, i felt in many ways between letting obama and reverend wright and black liberation theology and acorn and frank marshall davis, i felt like they were few of us. michelle was one and there were a few of us that vetted him. then after eight years, there were very few of us to talk about, we had 13 million more americans on food stamps, 8 million more in poverty, the lowest labor participation rate since the '70s and we double the debt that he gave iran $150 billion. truth, fact, substance matters but i feel like i was alone here in a lot of ways. i had michelle, like family to me, by my side and a few others. that is about it. so why the rush for a savior again when the last savior they chose failed so miserably? >> look, i think the thing that is interesting is what oprah said last night all americans should agree with. i agree with you. respecting women, creating a safe work environment for all individuals is something we should agree on. it should be beyond politics, it should be beyond ideology, it should be something that every american and human supports. that being said, i think it's an interesting thing last night, she didn't talk about policy, she didn't talk about how to solve the more controversial issues, and to your point, they are about to coordinate someone who gave a speech on frankly something that not only should we all agree on, but something that you aptly point out is highly hypocritical. the people in that room, it is not just roman polanski, it's bill clinton, it is others, who when given an opportunity to speak out, they overlooked it. >> sean: that they did more. you have to sit in a room, i don't know how you did your job for as long as you did come and noticed in an interview, you are kind of hard on yourself, and i am thinking, you didn't do much wrong because they were so hostile. i can't think of a moment they have given trump a break and they gave obama every break. both before, during, and after. what is your experiments with the press? >> i i have known a lot of thee guysys for more than two decade. i think there was unbelievably a massive amount of hostility never seen before. in the pew center backed it up. 63% of the coverage against president trump was negative, only 5% positive, which is three times what it was of obama. they came out guns a blazing in the mainstream media. they were upset that they were wrong and they were going to take it out on the coverage. >> sean: last road, michelle. >> i think that hollywood and the democrats need to put down the oprah bong. why they are so desperate as if you look at the current field of democratic potential candidates for 2020, you've got elizabeth warren, you've got bernie sanders, who will be 79, maxine waters, who cast as the fresh-faced of the democratic party, no wonder they are grasping for this trough oprah winfrey. >> sean: guys, good to see you. i appreciate you being with us. by the way, on the "hannity" hotline, one guy says t tonight, you'll hear it, every time you open your mouth, a kitten dies. wow. it's rough out here. coming up, we expose the breaking story tonight, the fake, phony anti-trump broke the mainstream media is fawning about. john solomon, sara carter, they are breaking news on the anti-trump fbi agent. new texts tonight, part of mueller's special counsel and looking to the press? 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>> sean: from cnn's fake news jake tapper rudely cutting off white house advisor stephen miller, the two were debating michael wolfe's book. he hass been making the media rounds butut he has casting dout as to whether or not you can believe it is in his own book. it's pretty spectacular. >> you have tapes. will you release the tapes? >> i have put every journalist i have. i work like any journalist. i have tapes, notes -- >> if people are questioning it, why not produce the evidence? >> because i'm not in your business. my evidences the book. read the book. if it makes sense to you, if it strikes a chord, if it rings true, it is true. >> sean: it if it rings true, t is true. we have a new standard of journalism i guess. he writes about me in the book. i never got a phone call. michael wolff, hello, still waiting. what you wrote is not true and it's not just me. there are a ton of claims that the book, people are saying are complete fabrications on lies. meanwhile president trump's former chief strategist, steve bannon, put out a statement expressing regret about the commentsok he made in the book about the president and his son, donald trump jr. he said that his support for the president isr unwavering and donald trump jr. is a patriot and a good man and he went on to say that there is no collusion between the trump campion and russia and the investigation is a witch hunt. let me guess, i bet we will see steve's remarks being played over and over again like a first remarks. in the new york counsel put it on note, page 828 were no one can see it. joining us now with reaction, former secret service agent dan bongino, the author of the brand-new book, bookstores everywhere, hannity.com, "the new americant revolution: the making of a populist revolution." rnc spokesperson kayla mack and he is here. let's start with reaction to the book. all the fact that he is amitting that he didn't have right to the fact that he says this will bring on the presidency in aa radio interview with the bbc. >> this is a fake, fraudulent, phony books, belongs in the tabloid section of a supermarket. you've exposed several of the lies. i expose several of the lies it is so funny, he says he knows of the president's reaction was when he became president. he got this from steve bannon. when the president was a small kitchen and trump tower, ivanka was there, jared was there, steve bannon was there. somehow he purports to know that he was horrified. what happens was, trump had written a preplanned acceptance speech, he ripped it up, and he wrote another one, those are the reactions of a leader, not a horrified individual. >> sean: i know from my own experience on election day, kelly yan knew that they would win win. i know what he said about me is not true. under talked to the president, now president, but the candidate on election day. i called him three times, dan bongino, three! wants to say don't believe the exit polls, it is just like 2004, wants to say it is looking really good, and the next time before any network called, to congratulation him. those are my three calls. >> one of the funniest parts of the book is where he claims that the president doesn't know -- >> sean: he tweeted about it five times before! >> sean, he's golfing with him! the book is -- i'm not even goingsa to say to "national enquirer" because the "national enquirer" occasionally got things right, like the john edwards story. the "national enquirer" -- let me tell you the inside story. here's what is really going on and here's why the media needs this book to be true. the democrats are panicking right now, sean, and i know you feel the same way about this. the tax kits have been running from the hill. they thought it would flameout like obamacare and a and pray that how the failure from the tax cuts would end the trumps political bank account, and once his political account was empty, they would move to impeach. now the economy is turning around and they are panicking and that is where the book provides a basis for around two, the 25th amendment, he is mentally unstable, which is quite possibly the dumbest narrative i've ever heard. >> sean: you write a lot about this in your book, "the new american revolution" ," i see ts president, i have not changed my views since i supported reagan. a little before the time. you are the next generation. the next point is, he has never wavered on his promises. we had a year's worth worth of incredible economic success. and they don't like that he's actually standing up to murdering dictators. >> absolutely. he is achieving at record rates, sean. you look at circa judges, a record. stock markets breaking records. you look at tax cuts. we haven't had that in three decades. regulations being rescinded. >> sean: obama failed. why can't anybody in the media acknowledge the failure? >> he was an utter failure. this president is achieving. they can't take it. when i sat on a panel with eight liberals on cnn -- >> sean: you have my sympathy. >> you sent me a very nice notes of encouragement throughout the election. this was a voice of sanity, they show. >> sean: what you make about the opera phenomenon? it is very reminiscent of "yes, we can," change, change, change, we had eight years and it failed miserably, and things are working now, why do they want a savior? why are they so full of hatred for this president?of >> because the democrats, their entire ideology, liberals, is built on this cult of personality. remember, what is the essence of conservatism? is a set of objective values, rights from god. we have a star that guides us every time. the person that gets us there is just a vehicle. he does not become -- that is not the case with a left. they believe, there are star is the state. the representative is the politician. they need a call cult of perso. oprah is the golden calf. >> sean: does anyone know anything about politician poli? your book is in bookstores everywhere. when we come back, john solomon, sara carter was new explosive reports on the anti-trump agent within the fbi and new texts. we will be joined by harvard professor alan dershowitz straight ahead. ♪ dynamic performance, so you can own the road. aggressive styling, so you can break away from everyone else. the bold lexus is. experience amazing. >> sean: fox news contributor sara carter ♪ >> sean: fox news contributor sara carter and "the hill"'s john solomon each out with brand-new reports detailing the allegations of the housee and senate as to whether the fbi agent peter strzok and other fbi employees may have been responsible for meat media leas responding the investigation. joining us now, john sullivan, sara carter, and the author of the best seller, alan dershowits with us. let's go to the details, john, we'll start with you. basically, they are admitting, when they talk about that they have advanced knowledge, the article is output hidden behind a pay wall, and it goes through a -- thee whole tone is anti-imperial, just a tiny bit from us, paige replies, there is more -- are they not referencing they are leaking to the press and what does that mean? how profound is that? >> i don't think we know entirely. but congressional investigators have a strong suspicion thatth these .2 and operation into the fbi that was leaking information, tracking down reporters. there's a whole effort where they are trying to track down the reporter from "the new york times." why would they be trying to do that unless someone wanted to talk to him? i read hundreds of these. i walked away with one thing. i remember the moment whenmb james comey said, fbi agents don't give a rip about politics and they don't leak. after you read his messages come when youes walk away thinking these two fbi agents cared a lot about politics and they were monitoring the media almost like a press office. >> sean: i keep hearing that we will learn a lot more about a connection between some people within the intelligenceco community and the cia and elsewhere about their relationships with the media. more specific question for the moment has to do with one of the worst parts of this, are they looking at the names of the family, the kids of a particular "new york times" reporter? to that half like his reporting? >> we don't know. these are the questions that the committee members want answers. that is why they want to interview strzok, they want to interview lisa page. remember, this is what we have been looking at, these text messages between the two of them. you also have general counsel james baker, who they want to question, and andrew weissmann, over at the doj. >> sean: what about page is advising mccabe? >> exactly. all of the questions they have regarding the insurance policy with mccabe. they want to question andrew mccabe, the deputy director. >> sean: this is a few hundred texts, a slow release to the house and senate committee, 9500? >> 9500. they are expected to receive all of those very soon. they want to be slow rolled off. we are expecting a lot by january 11th. >> sean: you see this type ofe leaking. i have followed your comments on this very, very closely. and then you see that the trump-russia collusion narrative is dying and withering on a fine, now they have moved into a collective media bubble that this president, we've got to go to the 25th amendment. what iss your reaction? >> the 25th amendment is irrelevant to what was going on. it was designed for someone who had a stroke or was involved in a serious accident, was incapacitated. it requires a vice president, the cabinet, two-thirds of each house of congress, it's a fool's errand. >> sean: not going to happen? >> of course not. what they are trying to do, not that they couldn't criminalize political differences, they are trying to's psychiatrist political differences. they are trying to say, we can get him on crime but we can show that he has mental problems, he is disturbed, a guy at cnn today was talking about alzheimer's, he should be subjected to a neurological exam. that is so dangerous. with that is what they did in the former soviet union. i was involved representing some dissidents and the soviet union who were settlement -- sent to mental hospitals. they did that in china. >> sean: >> sean: there was thag speech at harvard? >> i was there. there was a guy who wrote a book about being committed to a psychiatric hospital, and it was a pervasive way that tyrannical governments used the power of psychiatry to try to not answer the merits, we don't want to do debate the merits -- they were doing it all the time. the american psychiatric association sent a delegation, the goldwateram case, said it is wrong for any psychiatrist ever to diagnose anybody without them examining them. i taught law psychiatry for 25 years at harvard. i coedited the textbook and the first rule of psychiatry is you do not diagnose based on political reasons -- >> sean: i read a book about russian mind control, everything you are discussing, it's all true. >> it is so dangerous. you don't like somebody, vote against them. i voted against donald trump.vo i voted for hillary clinton. >> sean: it's the only thing we disagree on. >> but ie am doing it not for y political -- >> sean: you are doing it for my constitutional law perspective. an effort to the constitution. this is a clear and present danger. let me bring john and sara carter back in. you add to that, when you start surveilling, unmasking, you don't minimize, at the new leak raw intelligence, they did that to general flynn and i am sure, i will but everything i have, that, they said, you either age that you lied to us every going after your source. >> of course. >> and that is what i am hearing from my sources. right now, there are 27 leak investigations at the department of justice. that is triple what theypa had over the last three years. 27 leak investigations. one of those, i guarantee you, as general flynn. the leaks, the classified leaks between general flynn -- >> sean: nobody talks about it anymore. it was a crime. >> it was a major crime. we are looking at those legs and also looking at the inspector general. we are waiting on that inspector general's report -- >> it's only a crime if it's leaking grand jury minutes. just leaking as a violation of their roles but it's not itself a crime. leaking has been a weapon of prosecutors for years. i have had prosecutors tell me implicitly, if you don't plead your client guilty, you will be shocked at what will come out about him. i am against it, whether it is leaking against hillary clinton or leaking against donald trump. it's wrong. you don't leak. >> sean: john solomon, we only have a small percentage of these, and i am like, wow. if we only have hundreds, and there are thousands, what's next? >> i think the question is, who is going to follow the breadcrumb trail? someone followed it to create the russian narrative. >> sean: great work. when we come back, tomi lahren goes to california and talks to residentsou about being a sanctuary state. you don't want to miss these responses. she thinks she's the boss. she only had me by one grade. we bought our first home together in 2010. his family had used another insurance product but i was like well i've had usaa for a while, why don't we call and check the rates? it was an instant savings and i should've changed a long time ago. there's no point in looking elsewhere really. we're the tenneys and we're usaa members for life. usaa. get your insurance quote today. >> president trump: we are proudly supp >> we are probably supporting the men and women of law enforcement, including our wonderful i.c.e.e officers and border patrol agents. these are incredible people who endorsed me during the campaign and they are incredible. they are doing a great job at the border, by the way. we are going to end chain migration. we are going to end the lottery system, and we are going to build the wall. >> sean: we need two or 300 miles of that wall or else by november 2018, so people can see it and believe it. earlier today, the president promising reform to the immigration system, which is so broken. last monday, california became a sanctuary state, when a law took effect preventing state and local police from asking people about their immigration status or from cooperating with federal immigration enforcement activities. fox news contributor tomi lahren hit the streets to ask residents of california to seeli what they think of this new law. watch this. ♪ >> are you aware that california isnc a sanctuary state for illel immigrants? >> of course iat know that. >> how do you feel about her? >> i think it's great. it's been a matter of time. we need immigrants to be protected and i think being a sanctuary state is perfect. >> by every making it difficult for them to become legal? they don't pay their taxes, they don't do what you complain about constantly on your channel if it's not legal. why not make it legal for them to dodo it? then you'd stop complaining. >> we can't have it both ways. if we are going to benefit from cheap labor, we need to give them the benefits for every american citizen. >> as an immigrant from mexico myself, it's an incredible opportunity for american worker workers. i think it's a good opportunity. >> it's all right. i love it. i'll admit, i have family members of myself that are illegal. just beingar free, you are just trying to be ourselves. >> did you know this is a sanctuary state for illegal immigrants? >> i did. >> what you think about it? >> i think we need to come up with an immigration bill that will solve all of our problems that help immigrants that are here illegally transmit and become u.s. citizens. >> i don't think they should come over here. you've said illegal immigrants? i think they should stay where they arek at. why did i got to be over here? >> how do you feel about legal immigrants that have done at the right way, paid a lot of money, waited a lot of time to come into the country? do you feel like it invalidates everything they have worked for to let illegal immigrants receive sanctuary? >> i don't think it's fair that you are putting one against the other. i think one came here fairly and one came here and a sense -- >> unfairly? >> in a sense, not such a black and white thing. people came here to feed their families. speak about the laws are not being enforced. it is not also a problem? >> it's an unenforceable law. >> i'm an immigrant and i had to go through process. it took three and half years to come to america. i think everybody should go through aer process. >> sanctuary cities have always been around. they've only become a part of the popular conversation because of the way the right has attempted to fill a nice immigrants. >> they do it illegally because they don't have the means to get in or a safer way to get in. >> illegal is illegal. wewe want to be compassionate bt we also have the rule of law. >> sean: fox news contributor tomi lahren joins us. wow. that is your state, right? > it is my state, sean. what can i tell you? >> sean: 13.5 income tax rate. in the state -- doesn't texas and florida, they have pretty good infrastructure. better than new york. why is there that overwhelming feeling? is that the california thing? >> to be fair, there are a lot of californians moving to florida and texas and elsewhere because of california, because of the rules and regulations, and because of things like it being a sanctuary state. i got to tell you, breaking news, california is not a lost cause.e i promise you it's not. there are so many undercover conservatives in the state that i spoke to that are levelheaded that don't like the fact that as a sanctuary state. sometimes,me there are others, though, that are a little bit louder. the squeaky wheel gets the grease. >> sean: why should they get federal tax dollars in any way if they are literally aiding and abetting lawbreaking as a state? >> they absently shouldn't. you have to understand, there are a lot of californians that are into the whole peace, love, welcome everyone unless you are tomi lahren are fox news and then the tune changes, i will tell you those stories later. again, those people in california, they want to be welcoming of everyone, they want to bring everyone in. until you remind them that lega immigrants had to spend money and wait time to get into this country and into the state, and then there tunea changed a lite bit. it was quite fascinating. >> sean: i was interesting inti watched this packet you put together, i'm interested that a lot of people knew about you, knew about fox news coming to our opinions, one guy in particular, it looks like a black shirt to me, the other guy other guy in the gray shirt, ad i'm thinking, how was their reaction to you and the channel? because they are kind ofd righ. there arear a few of us that are real conservatives that speak and i don't know if they have met one before. >> i want to be fair. we did encounter a lot of really respectable people that like what we do want fox news and like what i do. it was interesting, i spent some time in west hollywood, i don't know if you arere familiar but it's a very liberal area. as they callth it, the epicenter of the resistance. they certainly knew i was and there were some words that i can't repeat a national television that they were screaming at me. they sell the fox news microphone, they weren't thrilled we were there, they told us to get out. i reminded them that they are supposed to be the loving and tolerant to left, welcoming of everyone unless you are fox news or tomi lahren and then you are supposed to get out. interesting the way that works. >> sean: great job, tomi. we really appreciate it. this b25 hotline is next. it says every time i open my mouth, a kitten dies. wow by that is called. the video of the day is straight ahead. with an adt starter kit professionally installed for only $49.00. call today, and install an adt starter kit that includes security panel, keypad, key fob, entry and motion sensors and for a limited time, get a camera included and installed at no additional cost. that's a $449.00 value, installed, for just $49.00. touch is how we communicate with those we love, but when your psoriasis is bad, does it ever get in the way? 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New-yorkUnited-statesParisFrance-general-FranceTexasIranWashingtonFloridaHollywoodCaliforniaWest-hollywood stretch. the fbi has wrapped up its investigation and mitch mcconnell is pushing ahead on a vote and we're already seeing the impacts of this supreme court fight with republican voters appearing increasingly fired up with just about a month to go until the midterm elections. joe, that's what you warrant about yesterday, a backlash on the democrats pertaining to these kavanaugh hearings. >> well, a lot of people seeing them as overreaching. we talked about the media bias, that it seemed that too many people see happening and said that there could be an impact politically. we are seeing that right now, mika, in some polls that actually broke a couple of hours after the show yesterday. >> and it's so similar the to the parallel you made to the reaction, the media reaction, the reaction in general to trump. there was a blindness to what could be really happening. >> right. people not understanding before the election. >> so fired up on their side. >> so fired up and people in the media actually deciding that it was their job and their war. willie brought this up, people saying what are we going to tell our grandchildren in the run up to the trump election. and i know, willie, what you're telling your grandchildren is you're a journalist and you did your job. your job is to report the news and we're going to show some polls in a second that suggest that a lot of americans believe there's been an overreach by a lot of us in the media and by a lot of democrats the on the judiciary committee. and other stories like this that looked to a lot of americans. so here is what we have now. the large advantage democrats held in enthusiasm has all but ee.evaporated. 80% of republicans now say the october election is very important. that is two points shy of the democrats who saw their enthusiasm tick up only slightly with the prior poll. there you have it. that's just over the last month or so. >> and, willie, we've said it time and time again on this show, when people do generic ballot tests, it's not the generic ballot tests that i look at, that a lot of other people look at going into midterms. it's voter intensity. and the democrats have had a massive advantage in voter intensity over the past 18 months. and it has ee.evaporated in the course of a couple of weeks. again, mike, this is just one poll, but you don't have to be a rocket scientist or you don't have to have a bph.d. in politics to understand what the last couple weeks have done to energize the republican base and the conservative base and say, hey, i hate trump, but i'm not a big fan of what the democrats and the media are doing right now, too. >> for sure, joe, for sure. look, the one thing we can document and you can document it any number of ways is the president's constant assault on the media, fake news, has really, really worked and has sunk in all across the country. there's been a series of stories about the supreme court appointment that have appeared on television and in newspapers that have caused, i think, a lot of americans in this polarized political atmosphere of ours to stop, pause and say, hey, this is just a bit too much. especially one of the later stories early in this week about a note that judge kavanaugh, when he was 17 or 18 years of age, wrote to his friends about a rental, a beach rental for a weekend. and at the end of that note, you know, it said we best warn the neighbors and tell them that a bunch of drunks will be renting this condo for two days. and i think a lot of people looked at that and said, you know, he was 17 when he wrote that. come on. so things like that added to this enthusiasm on the republican side. >> well, yeah, that and, mika, like willie said, breathless stories about kavanaugh throwing ice cubes when he was 17 or 18 years old, anonymous stories coming out with absolutely no sourcing, stories about gang rape factories coming out, absolutely no sourcing. and, you know, i wish everybody would remember what marty barren tells his people at "the washington post." we are not going to war. >> right. >> we are going to work. and this is just a reminder. and, again, who knows. maybe kavanaugh goes down. i can tell you right now these are just snapshots of how americans feel today. >> yeah. but it's not supposed to be how reporters feel and how media analysts feel at this point in a case like this. and it's not even a case yet, although the fbi is looking into it. it's a hearing. it's a job interview. and what we saw and what i think is playing into this blowback you're talking about is a lot of members of the media reacting emotionally. like, for example, did brett kavanaugh feel like maybe he was lying? did it feels like he was lying about drinking? did he seem like he was kind of a jerk? did it seem like he was overly aggressive? yes, sure. but that does not mean he did it. and these are emotional reactions that lead to things that are said on twitter which lead to reaction about that which leads to exactly what donald trump wants. >> exactly what he wants. report the facts and it would probably be better if anybody in the mean stream media and not take every note that he wrote on his calendar 20 or 30 years ago and suggested it proves he goes to gang rapes, that he is a serial rapist. we're talking about this for a reason. what has happened over the last couple of weeks has energized a republican base and put democratic seats in danger. >> new fox news polling shows republicans making gain necessary a number of battleground senate races heading into november. in north dakota, senator heidi heitkamp which is one of the most vulnerable democrats this year is trailing republican challenger kevin cramer by 12 points. >> let's stop right there. heidi hi heidi heitkamp seems to be the democrat very endangered right now. and unlike every other democrats in these tight races, it's hard to imagine how she fights her way back, especially with a cavanaugh vote still in front of her. >> that's right. the strategists i talked to on both sides of the party put her as the most in jeopardy democrat so far. missouri, there might be a slight edge. but they think this kavanaugh moment here has absolutely energized republicans who, as you've been saying, reallien respondent, down about how the spring and summer have gone and now feel like they have something to fight for. it will be interesting to see, does that enthusiasm persist if kavanaugh were to be seated on the bench? if he comes through this and he gets on the bench, you know, is some of his enthusiasm almost anger? does it justify how they're tight our guy like this, how can they deny him? certainly if he doesn't make it, then yes, you would think that would continue. if he does get on, that's what would dissipate. that's what we're seen in the weeks ahead. >> and a couple of weeks ago, i was talking about how ironically the person who wins this fight may lose some voters in the fall because that anger will dissipate. they win. they don't feel as moevenated to go up. but there's no doubt that heidi heitkamp has a lot of reason to w worry this morning just like, mika, red sox fans. >> okay. in tennessee where president trump rallied on monday, republican marsha blackburn is leading phil bredesen by 5 points. that's a real switch. >> that's going to be a tough battle which i would guess is probably going to go down to the very end because, wow, bredesen's favorable ratings in the state of tennessee are numbers that any politician would dream for. >> that's right. and breesen is the candidate that needs to win if democrats are going to pull off a surprising flip of the senate. if the phil bredesen isn't likely to nab these seats, it's unlikely we'll see a change in control of the senate as we go into next year. what it indicates is that the conventional wisdom, that tennessee is a super duper red state may bear out as we move forward. texas, we've seen some numbers in the last 24 hours or so indicating that the surge in support that beto o'rourke had potentially may not bare out. we get polling data and we always try to pore over it and try to read the tea leaves, but ultimately, polls are useless until october. that's why these numbers coming out are going to dispel a lot of conventional wisdom that cal calcified over the last several months. >> and what you want to look at is trend lines. these could dramatically change in a week. >> missouri shows a tie between claire mccaskill and her challenger. in arizonindiana joe donnelly l mike braun by two points. >> indiana, missouri, they're just believe tossups now. could go either way. >> yeah. and i think if you look at claire mccaskill, it will be interesting to see how that cuts. she has a tough vote for her now. it's a genuine tossup and has been within the margin of error for some time now. she seems to find a way over the years. we'll see if this year is different. john pedora, editor of commentary magazine tweeted yesterday so basically we could be seeing a nearly unprecedented political event in november with house waving toward dems and senate getting more republicans. that would be an interesting dynamic. >> it would be interesting. i don't know that that is going to the happen. you usually have that same wave breaking for republicans candidates as you do for democratic candidates. if you have somebody that is anchored by what they're seeing on tv, whether they're a democrat or a republican, it drags them out to vote. if they're so motivated, they're going to vote for republicans straight down the line or democrats straight down the line. who knows how october is going to end. yankees yesterday, who would have guessed -- >> who stays up this late? >> aaron judge with a broken wrist. who would think that they would put a tee that 5-year-olds hit off of for him to hit that five run? i'm serious. has anybody ever seen a fatter pitch pitched in a high stake gak than the one that was pitched to aaron judge? >> i'm not as excited this morning. now we can get in to take some time with the red sox. he had four good innings. that was the wild card. how was he going to show up? was he going to be -- the sererino of the first half of the season or the second half? now we've got it, guys. we've got red sox/yankees friday night at fenway. how are you feeling about it? >> what scares me so much, and i am prettietrified so much, look severino. this is do or die. it was win or go home. comes through like a champ so many times. >> it ises the bronze bombers and the 86 bears combined coming right at us. joe, it was fun while it lasted. yes, they got what they needed out of severino. they have a lights out bullpen which we do not have. it's been 14 years since we've had a red sox/yankees playoff series. the passion play that was the 2003, 2004 league championship series, the yankees had a thrilling victory in '03 and in '04 the red sox had a comeback. i think we should stay consistent and do that again. >> another yankees sweep. but my professor at the university of florida in class always said scarborough, you should see this next question coming at you like a freight train out of the mist. mike barnacle, that freight train that professor pearson was talking about so long ago, that freight train, that's the bronx bombers express and i'm afraid they're coming to run us right over. >> i'm curious, what do they call you two guys, the snowflake twins? >> oh. >> i mean, here is the magic number right here. four. red sox in four. >> i like it. >> we're going to give the yankees one game. red sox in four. you don't win 108 games. it's not a trick. it's not a magic thing they did. this is a very, very good baseball team. >> they're very cute. >> jonathan, i'm feeling a lot better. mike thinks we're going to lose in four instead of three. that gives me another game to watch with my kids. that will be nice. >> as for the yankees, we're thrilled and honored to play at fenway. we have a much smaller payroll than the red sox. >> they're very cute. >> your bat boy makes more money than our entire infield, willie mike, i'm curious, the sale going to go 2 innings or 3 1/2? >> he's going to go at least 6 tomorrow. he's straightened out his mechanics. don't worry. first, hopefully you guys will be there in your homes watching this game sh rorouded with blans covered up to your ears. >> stop it. just stop it. >> i'm going to get joe a gravity blanket for stress and anxiety. still ahead on "morning joe," we'll break down the timeline of what to expect over the coming days of brett kavanaugh's nomination. we could see a final vote on saturday. there are several key steps that may play out along the way. and a follow-up to the "new york times" investigation of donald trump's financial history. >> what a remarkable story, mika. >> well, the scam of the century will be the story of donald j. trump. the official white house response sure sounds like it's channeling the president. but first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> and talking about that baseball game friday night, the weather will be perfect. october baseball, sometimes it's cold. but it looks to be warm and mild. so a cold front heading through the ohio valley, thunderstorms with it that just went through you and over the top of indianapolis and st. louis. you got some rain here. so this front will bring showers and storms to the northeast today. most likely not i-95 interior sections during the day. and how about the weekend weather pattern? 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i had one beer. well, do you think it was a -- nope, it was one beer. oh, good. how did you get home? i don't remember. how did you get there.? i don't remember. where is the place? i don't remember. how many years ago was it? i don't know. i don't know. i don't know. what neighborhood was it in? i don't know. where is the house? >> i don't know. >> upstairs, downstairs, where was it? i don't know. but i had one beer. that's the only thing i don't remember. >> tt was stating the fact. every single word judge kavanaugh said has been picked awe part. every single word, second by second of his testimony has been picked apart. yet if anybody says anything about the accusations that have been thrown against them, that's totally outrageous. >> she's been treated like a fabric egg by all of us, including me and the president. can you fill in her memory gaps, her factual inconsistencies? that is part of the evidence gathering in any hunt for truth. >> you know, i find it to be flabbergasting, sarah huckabee sanders especially. i sort of discount kellyanne conway because she so clearly didn't tell the truth from the beginning. but you had mitch mcconnell, lindsay gram, lisa murkowski, a lot of people said they didn't like what the president said when he visibly mocked this woman on stage. if you want to pick apart how this is being treated and show there are some discreptsies, that's fair. that is absolutely fair. that's why the hearings are being had. that is why finally the fbi was able to step in because there are questions. but when you have this misogynist knowingly mocking her on stage, i don't understand sarah huckabee sanders. i don't get it. some would say that you're basically a flack for a misogynist who is a proud predator who brags about grabbing women by the genitals. as a woman in a powerful position, i'm sorry, you're a complete disappointment. a complete disappointment. there is absolutely no excuse for defending a president for mocking a victim of sexual misconduction, a victim of something, a woman who is suffering. you can't see that's wrong? you have made rotten to the core by this presidency. >> so, willie, as mika said, it's one thing if you want to question the story as it pertain toes brett kavanaugh, if you want to say, hey, as the "new york times" has said, as many others news outlets have said all along that nobody can corroborate her story. and you can talk about the inconsistencies in a long way to say, just as the president said before, i respect dr. ford but i also respect brett kavanaugh and don't believe that he did it. there have been many people walking that fine line and being respectful of her. but what we saw here, of course, was the president using as a political punch line the pain and agony that a woman has been enduring for over three decades. and that is, as all the republican senators spoke yesterday said, that is simply not defensible and for the women of the white house to defend this misogynist attack is just really beyond -- >> it's beyond most americans' comprehensions. >> this woman shoornt be assaulted and she should not be ignored. this woman will be heard. setting the early tone for the white house's reaction to the story. but i think what you see there is frustration. they feel like they offered dr. ford to come to california. they feel like she's made excuses for not providing information to the committee. they feel, as kellyanne said, they've treated her well and she has not given them what they've needed to move this process forward. >> yeah. for weeks now, as you say, the president's aides were saying to him, don't criticize her. support kavanaugh, don't go after dr. ford. there's no up side here. the electorate, key senators will determine kavanaugh's fate. he listened for a while. there have been a few cracks from that. he made a dig about the parents. since then, he has expressed some frustration. but what happened the other night was an eruption. and the reporting that we've done suggests that, you know, it was a frustration about the process, how long it was taking, but in particular, two other things. as he was flying down to that rally in mississippi, that he was reading stories, the latest in stories about cavanaugh, the bar fight with the ice and things of that nature. but also the day that that "new york times" story ran about his finances and that he was fuming about that. >> support your guy, but don't go after her. he couldn't help himself. what resulted was this display. what you just said was they were up to their efforts. they were disappointed in what he said and cast into doubt kavanaugh's fate. >> we've been talking about it this morning. here is the president doing the exact same thing. if kellyanne cornway is saying she's like a fabbrege egg, it could be swinging back the other way. the democrats are going to squawk and say that it's a rigged investigation. the republicans are going to squawk and say what john cornyn said, let's go ahead and vote. this is ridiculous. it's been too much time. at the end of the day, all of the noise, everything that is going to be surrounding this, we are exactly where we were last week, aren't we? this comes down to flight, this comes down to murkowski. this comes down to a handful of democrats. where are they right now? >> one thing that we know for sure is that flake, however he decides to vote, is going to foal like he's gained significant cover because of this fbi investigation. last week when he pulled his stunning switcheroo, one thing he make clear in the wake of that movement is that his top priority was preserving the process. this is more about the way it played out than the ultimate results of that confirmation process. i don't think there's been any significant increase in public confidence in the way the united states senate works because of this fbi investigation. it's been widely viewed as insufficient. and as something that's largely a symbolic undertaking. but for flake, it's something he'll be able to point to going forward as an accomplishment and as his taking a stand to try to defend this institution. whether it has any impact whatsoever on the broader american confidence of the institution very much remain toes be seen. but for him, things have changed because this investigation happened. and my understanding is murkowski and collins are thinking the same way. we won't expect to hear anything from them publicly until they read the results of this report. >> betsy, thank you very much. >> sure thing. >> still ahead, secretary of state mike pompeo is expected to meet with kim jong-un once again this weekend in an effort to reinvigorate nuclear talks. >> they love each other. >> we'll see if it will be like the last meet when the north korean leader had more pressing business to conduct at a potato farm. 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korea. >> it is kind of extraordinary. what's particularly extraordinary is the president has staff members like john bolton who used to send instructions to the negotiator that is me telling me no toasting, no smiling, no shaking hands. he didn't have to say no hugging. i guess that would have been necessary more recently. >>o. >> well, you know, mr. ambassador, while all the hugging and the statements of love and affection are going out there, we find out this past week according to a south korean official that he tells other elected officials in south korea that he believes north korea has up to 60 nuclear weapons. do you believe that could be an accurate assessment? and if so, how does that change the dynamics of any negotiation going forward? >> first of all, the north koreans have produced material and as secretary pompeo said, they're continue to go produce fissile material. depending on the bomb design, you take the bomb design and divide it into the material and that's the number of weapons. what we know is they have taken zero steps to do away with their fissile material and what we know is the north koreans are stalling on the issue of denuclearzation. they need for us to be even nicer to them, although our president just said he loves them. i'm not sure what we can do in that regard. i think the issue is the north koreans are now sort of engaging in random acts of denuclearzation, shutting some test site, smutting down something else, none of which we've ever asked them for. so these random acts of denuclearzation do not amount to a cooperative policy with the united states or anyone else. >> the hard liners have been insisting from the very beginning there is going to be denuclearzation. i think most outside observers have said that is never going to happen. is that still your position, that no matter how much donald trump tells kim jong-un he loves him, no matter how many beautiful letters he receives from kim jong-un, north korea is never going to denuclearize. >> never is a language time and i'm of the view that if we create a circumstance where north korea has a much worse future with nuclear weapons and they can be made to understand that, that we will chase them to the moon and back to do something about their nuclear weapons. we can change their calculation. but -- >> how does this change their calculation? americans haven't been able to change their calculation now for 40 years. how do we change it? >> i agree. but just a few months ago, we got the chinese on board for interdicting supplies of gasoline. that's the first time that's ever been done. but unfortunately it was followed up by an uncoordinated step in singapore and before you know it, no one is enforcing sanctions. but then they simply moved to a whole other approach and i think the problem right now is there's zero pressure on north korea. if anything, the more they wait, the more the president seems to love them. >> mr. ambassador, what has the behavior of the president of united states, the meeting in singapore, what has that done internally? >> well, first of all, these kind of cultural signals, i love you, for example, might be taken by the north koreans to say oh, he's weak. he talks a tough game with some people, but he's basically weak and he's not going to do anything about our nuclear weapons. the other point it suggests is he's playing for a really long haul. the idea, yeah, we love you, we don't mean any harm to you, and this is the notion that maybe some day in the fullness of time north korea will say well we don't really need nuclear weapons. that's quite different from putting pressure from saying look, if you don't do this, you're not going to have any gasoline in your countries, those kinds of measures. and that stuff from six months ago is all gone right now. >> the president ad has said they're working towards a second summit between himself and kim jong-un. they're working towards potentially having it here in the united states. what lessons can we learn from singapore.? what would you advise him to do differently this time around? >> this isn't rocket science, so to speak. you put together a piece of paper. you hammer it out beforeen hand. you slap each other around. but then you have a joint communique so everything is agreed before they sit down. this is something the president doesn't like to have. he wants to negotiate it himself. the consequence of singapore was there was a lot of making it up as he went along and i think the consequence of singapore has been harmful to the other lever that we had which is pretty tough sanctions. getti getting china on board, that seems to be gone for now. by going at this kind of bilateral, the world watches and they say, come on, guys, beer more flexible. so we put ourselves in the position of having to kind of suffer this notion that everybody wants to see us give in on certain things rather than have a much better approach of multi lateralism where everybody 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joining the conversation we have former justice department spokesman now an msnbc justice and security analyst matt miller. and white house correspondent for bloomberg news shannon whose new piece is entitled trump betts kavanaugh fight will fire up gop voters. and we'll start there. the ongoing battle over brett kavanaugh's confirm jays appears to have fired up republican voters with just about a month to go until the mid-term elections. according to a new npr news hour maris poll, 80% of republicans now say the elections in november are very important and more than 10-point jump since july. gop figure is just two points shy of the democrats who saw their enthusiasm tick up only slightly from the prior poll. >> so donald trump has become very powerful man and very successful politician not by being a conservative because the man is not concerned. >> no. >> but by being an anti-liberal. shannon, you could see when he went to mississippi he decided stopping differential to dr. ford and decided just kick it into full gear and make that calculation i'm going to be anti-liberal again and i'm going to burn the place down and, apparently if you look at the polls out this morning he was reading the polls we're seeing today a few days ago. >> yeah. the white house really tapped into this sort of surge of support among the grassroots republicans, trump's base in the days leading up to that mississippi rally. really from the moment kavanaugh stood before the senate judiciary committee up until that moment there was a lot of apathy among republican voters and people in the white house were telling me how concern they were about the mid-term athletics and the fact they wouldn't be able to get their base to come out and vote and there was so much more enthusiasm among democrats. but that really changed. that moment kavanaugh stood up there, raised his right hand and started what a lot of people saw as a tirade and poor temperment they saw that as a moment of standing up against these attacks. over the weekend the white house saw that enthusiasm grow. there was a rally on monday night where the president tested out this messaging, saw a good response. tuesday he decided to lean into this even before taking a trip he raised this issue how it's a scary time for white males when he was talking to reporters before leaving the white house and really just went on full attack and he's wagering that once again key tap into one of these cultural undercurrents, kneeling at the nfl, a muslim ban, important training mexicans as criminals, these cultural undercurrents that he's able to tap into. he's hoping this is one as well not just attacks on democrats also this plight of the white male and these attacks on young men and white men that he feels are resonating with a lot of people. we've had these white hot moments that last days or weeks during the trump administration and often they are supplanted by whatever the next white hot moment is. does the white house and democrats on capitol hill believe this kavanaugh episode can be over with by saturday will have legs and drive people out to the polls in november, perhaps change the dynamic of what people see a blue wave coming? >> people absolutely agree with that concern that this kavanaugh momentum isn't going to last. i mean even though -- i mean we're about a month from election so much can happen between now and then. but it certainly turned up the volume. it's gotten republicans to pay attention. as one person said reminded them of what this fight is all about. why they should come up to the polls by seeing this apparent attack from the democrats and this plot from the democrats. that's how the republicans view it. that's gotten their attention and enthusiasm. if they can find one or two more touch points between now and election day yes they can keep that momentum. who knows what we'll be talking about two weeks from now. >> let's look back over the first year. what did we hear all the time? we had people supporting donald trump and they would say yes his twitter feed is repugnant and everything that's wrong with american politics. yes, he's a mysoginist, he's racially insensitive and yes we don't want our children to model their lives after him. but we got gorsuch. that's what we heard for the first year. and then the second year, just became too much and suddenly yes, we got gorsuch who is no longer enough. but here we are again, with another supreme court battle and once again the conservative base is engaged just like a lot of people are engaged on the left because these supreme court battles in our tribal political culture are pretty much the bloodiest form of political warfare and it's been that way since at least 1987 and robert bork. >> yeah. now it's on steroids, joe, given mr. trump's behavior. shannon mentioned something that's both really interesting and in my view has been kind of undercovered. and it is mr. trump's design, by design, going after the resentment that many white males feel unjustifiably, i think, but feel about what's going on around them politically. when he stood the other day at that rally and did his little rap on mom i got a great job at general motors, mom i got a promotion at general motors and mom somebody accused me of something i didn't know i lost my job. he knows exactly what he's doing. he tracks that with the supreme court nomination and the furor over judge kavanaugh he does it by design and intent. sadly for the country, for the way the conduct of the united states senate, the way business is done in the senate and house of representatives, our politics, it works. >> this goes back to 2016. donald trump succeeded in wisconsin. he succeeded in michigan. he succeeded in pennsylvania. we had people like joe biden and ed rendell, i know bill clinton was worried about it, that the democratic party, the new democratic coalition, the party leadership that was too smart to use polls in 2016, that they just had algorithms that they would follow, that they were leaving white working class democratic voters behind. so, yes, trump is using this. he used it in 2016. it worked. you would think between then and now democrats would figure out a way to reach out more effectively to white working class men who have been the back bone of their party now for a generation. >> here's the deal on that, joe. if you look at the democrats and you look at many of the potential candidates they mentioned to be the next democratic nominee for president, i think you would be hard pressed to find among them more than one or two who actually know how real human beings, americans live their lives on a daily basis. we can talk about the stock market, we can talk about the booming economy. this is still paycheck to paycheck country for many, many, many people. and the cultural social issues that we're interested in here on tv, the progressive issues that we would like to see become successful and cemented in american culture and they are very important, they are very crucial, they don't matter a whole lot to people struggling each and every week to figure out how can they set aside enough money for college tuition for their child. can they afford to go the movies as a family this weekend. that doesn't matter to those people and democrats have for gotten how people live. >> mika, as we say here all the time, and that transcends all races. there is a presumption that hispanic voters are going to automatically latch on to the most progressive elements of the democratic platform. that black voters are automatically going to latch on to the most progressive elements of the democratic platform. they do not all march in lock step. i know a lot of people were shocked 7008 that the proposition banni inning gay mae passed in 2008 the same night barack obama become president of the united states. fdr's coalition, lbj's coalition, bill clinton's coalition, it was a widely diverse coalition, and right now there doesn't seem to be a democrat that has a message that can tie all those desperate parts back together. >> well, i want to set up what we're going to show here, president trump mocking dr. christine blasey ford and then some of his staffers in the white house backing him up as a massive setback for women. here's president trump. >> what he's going through, 36 years ago this happened. i had one beer, right? i had one beer. well, you think -- nope, it was one beer. oh, good. how did you get home? i don't remember. how did you get there? i don't remember. where is the place? i don't remember. how many years ago? i don't know. i don't know. i don't know. i don't know. [ cheers and applause ] what neighborhood? i don't know. upstairs, downstairs. i had one beer. that's the only thing i remember. >> the president was state offing the facts. every single word judge kavanaugh has said has been picked apart. every single word second by second has been picked apart. if anybody says anything about the accusations that have been throne against him is off limits and outrageous. >> she's been treated like a faberge. he's pointed out factual inconsistencies. can you fill in her factual inconsistencies? that's part of the evidence gathering in the hunt for truth. >> while we talk about democratic coalitions, barack obama, can you imagine if barack obama were on the scene as an active politician how he would be responding to that? his coalition from 2008 and 2012 responded to that sort of abhorrent behavior and i think he was only democrat to get re-elected with a majority of the vote since fdr. democrats have to find somebody that is a voice of the opposition, that can speak out against that outrage. tell me, what are your thoughts as you saw kellyanne conway and sarah huckabee sanders basically defend the president? >> well the president was reprehensible. christine blasey ford has put herself out there and she has been enduring the blinding light of questions surrounding her life, her credibility, and her story. and i was really struck by kellyanne conway saying that she's been treated like a faberge egg. that's interesting. i find that fascinating, actually because kellyanne conway went on a sunday show and in the middle of making her point she announced she's a victim of sexual assault. really? oh, my gosh. okay. women should be hear and apparently they get treated like faberge eggs. so tell us your story. who is your attacker. who broke the law? who hurt you? you seem to really uncomfortable when you let that slip out. your voice got small. your voice cracked. you had to clear your throat. you were really uncomfortable just saying i am a victim of sexual assault. and you know what? i say that as a virtually sexual assault myself. so i want to ask why can't you be the egg, kellyanne conway, the faberge egg and tell your story. you say women should be heard. you talk out of both sides of your mouth. you say women should be heard. their stories are credible and compelling. let's hear yours. it's very convenient to drop that. i want to know your story. i want to know what happened. you should have justice, shouldn't you hold on, i'm not done. know your value. okay pup can just throw that out as a political dagger to protect this reprehensible predator of a president. and make an announcement that you're the victim of sexual assault which, therefore, for some reason makes everybody not ask you about it? if women are being treated like faberge eggs when they announce their stories then you go ahead and tell yours and see how easy it is, okay. that was as low as it gets. i would get up and leave if i were you to today. i would never want to face the cameras again unless you're willing to tell your story just like dr. ford did, okay? and see what it feels like to be treated like a faberge egg as you say. you have such great tight little points that you want to throw out there. this one is not going to fly. you can't use being a victim of sexual assault, throw it out there, and then literally dirty, sully the name of someone who has stepped in front of the cameras before the united states of america and told her story and you say that she's being treated like a faberge egg. that's just delicious at this point. you know, the president, we get him. but sarah huckabee sanders and kellyanne conway, i would just like to say you two are single-handedly setting back women and i would suggest you try to turn it around. >> you know, willie, i all personally, i am glad that when kellyanne conway let it slip that she was a victim of sexual assault, that she was treated, she says like a faberge egg. i would just say treated with deference, treated with respect, not mocked by her interviewer. certainly not mocked by any elected politician. not mocked by chuck schumer. not mocked by anybody else about her claims of sexual assault and yet the president of the united states mocks dr. ford for her claims of sexual assault and then there's kellyanne conway and sarah huckabee sanders as mika pointed out defending the president of the united states and his heartless msygonist attacks. despite what kellyanne conway said this past weekend should know better because she knows the pain women endure. >> she's not naming her attacker. she must be too uncomfortable too. which i understand. >> you understand. >> i sure do. >> you understand why why it would be a difficult process. so, willie, if she understands, kellyanne conway understands why this would be such a difficult process, why is she now acting like it's somehow a mistake for the white house to show deference to dr. ford? >> well, i think, first of all, it's up to any woman as mika would agree whether or not she wants to come forward and talk about her story with specifics and that includes kellyanne conway. but remember she set the tone for this conversation two and a half weeks ago when she was on television on a monday morning, i believe it was, and said and i think surprised a lot of people given the white house posture to every other story that makes the president look bad in some way, this woman will not be ignored, she must be heard, she will not be insulted. that was kellyanne conway. let's listen to that sound bite. >> put aside all the nonsense that's on tv and in print for people that can't be a source for his thinking. she should not be ignored, she should be heard. >> consaid that time and again. the president followed that messaging for a week or so until it unravelled. to your point, mika, i think in her heart kellyanne conway, in fact, if she's a victim of sexual assault and have no reason to believe she's not if she said so that she understands what dr. ford is going through and that's why it makes it much worse that she has now flipped and sort of defending the president's behavior in mississippi. >> i totally agree. i totally agree that kellyanne conway has her time and place to tell her story if she ever wants to but you can't throw it out there vently if you're throwing insults to someone who has been brave enough to come forward and i thought it was incredibly disrespectful and a setback for women. we'll be right back. we'll have much more from kasie hunt joining us live from capitol hill. joining us live f capitol hill numbers to examine investment opportunities firsthand. like a biotech firm that engineers a patient's own cells to fight cancer. this is strategic investing. because your investments deserve the full story. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. ♪ cal: we saved our money and now, we get to spend it - our way. valerie: but we worry if we have enough to last. ♪ cal: ellen, 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is that this report than process has been designed to give those people a way to say, yes, to judge kavanaugh. to essentially say look we investigated this, there was no corroborating evidence, so we're willing to move forward. remember jeff flake had announced last friday he was going to be a yes on kavanaugh before he decided he want this process to go forward. so, my sense right now, and obviously, we haven't talked to senators yet who have seen it that this will be something to allow susan collins to get to yes. she wanted to get to yes earlier in this process, the same was true of jeff flake. the two people to really keep a close eye on actually are senator lisa murkowski, if anything there was a she was going to vote no. she has been particularly frustrated throughout the course of this process. she's kind of over all of us chasing her in the hallways. this is a difficult decision for her. the other person is joe manchin. you were talking earlier in the show about the mid-terms and enthusiasm gap. that's really on display in west virginia. he's going to be up for re-election. it's the most pro trump state in the country and there has been a noticeable shift in how he has talked about this nomination and he's been back and forth to west virginia. this is clearly something that people feel strongly about that has affected how this is going on the ground. i think you could see him voting yes on kavanaugh. >> kasie hunt at the capital. as we've been talking peter alexander's reporting about the fbi investigation, the inquiry as senators will start to look at that about 30 minutes from now the fbi interviewed nine people, contacted ten, interviewed nine and peter goes on as a source that says the white house has concluded that the interviews do not corroborate sexual misconduct allegations at brett kavanaugh. i think we could have seen that outsusan g. komening. the white house decided it's a go for brett kavanaugh. matt mill ear new piece entitled "it's time for democrats to play "hardball" with fbi." you write it's not enough to rely on most federal law enforcement officials to be nonpolitical figures trying to do the right thing under tough circumstances. there's no sign the republican party intends to change course soon. if anything its pressure on federal law enforcement seems likely to intensify as robert mueller's russia probe nears its conclusion. if democrats ever hope to get a fair shake their only chance is to fight fire with fire. matt, what does it took to you? what does it mean for democrats to use fire? >> what it means for democrats in these investigations got russia investigation, i think how they should have played the clinton investigation if you go back to 2016 and now to this kavanaugh investigation, what they have to do is step up and put pressure on the fbi and on the justice department when they see the justice department doing things that are inappropriate. what the republican playbook for the last couple of years is to heap relentless pressure on the fbi, to personally attack the people there, personally attack senior officials at the justice department, to send subpoenas over for documents, to push them to do inappropriate things. the outcome is they don't get 90% of what they ask for but in key moments what they do is they get things like james comey's press conference, james comey's letter to congress, rod rosenstein asking an inspector general to punt down some of the president's conspiracy theories like pushing officials out of the fbi that shouldn't have been pushed out. i think in the kavanaugh investigation what democrats should have been doing for the last week -- i think it's pretty clear the white house has sir co -- circumscibed this investigation. democrats should have made clear should they take either house of congress there will be investigations in how this probe was cure tailed, they will demand fbi emails be turned over, demand fbi witnesses come up to hold public hearings and what that would do is tell people inside the fbi they better very be clear this thing is conducted by the book and if it's not they taught be talking about it now. >> matt, we're well down the road in terms of people, politicians from mr. trump on down casting aspersions on the fbi and the department of justice. so my question to you is with regard to the democrats taking on this issue more forcefully is where would the democrats in the house of representatives when devon nunes, the chair of the house intelligence committee took this thing triefls and continues to do so until this very moment? >> it's a great question. the argument from democrats in congress has been we need to give people like rod rosenstein space to operate. and this is basically the argument. if you go back to the comey point which i made early on. remember when james comey held that press conference on july 5th announcing the end of the e-mail investigation. he came up to the hill two day later, the republicans were furious with him. democrats should have been angry because it was the press conference that was inappropriate. they thought we'll give him space and basically praised him. the same thing has happened with the russia investigation where democrats have thought rod rosenstein is in a tough spot let's give him some space. when he's done things that are inappropriate and out of line from justice department precedent and that has been in response to the pressure devon nunes has put him under that you haven't seen any criticisms of doj from democrats. so what happens is if you're a doj, you're at the fbi and your only getting criticism from one side guess who you are responsive to? guess who you give into on these close calls. you don't give in to the ones that's pressuring you, the pressure is off republicans. it's been effective. >> just over a week ago that rod rosenstein people were saying he was going to be fired. now seems he's safe for the time being. a widely held belief across washington that rod rosenstein and jeff sessions could be out of their positions soon after the mid-terms. people around the president have counselled him to hold off until then. if that happens and replaced by people not recused from the russian probe, how much more dire do things look for democrats? >> you have to step it up. you have to fight a confirmation hearing. make very clear that anyone that's confirmed for any of those jobs, you know, commits to not interfering with the probe. if i were a democrat and the solicitor general has never done a prosecution overseeing the mueller case i want to hear from him right away. i want him to come before congress. explain why someone who has switched the government's position in a dozen case before the supreme court something that administrations never do, completely political act why someone that political is in the right position to oversee this case. i wouldn't just give the field to republicans. i'm not saying democrats need to act in 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a president or congress to ban people from the united states based solely on their race? he would not answer that question. i can't think of -- why don't we take a listen. alex wants us to take a listen to it and then we'll get your response. >> under the constitution, judge, do you believe that congress or the president can ban entry into the united states on the basis of race? >> senator, that was, of course, one of the issues that was just in litigation and there's still lie -- litigation about the immigration laws. >> you won't answer that? >> that's pending litigation, as a matter of independence and precedent -- >> will not answer that. that's fine. >> it's not pending litigation. the trump administration had to modify their muslim, so-called muslim ban three times so it wouldn't be race based. this judge last night stopped government from deporting a group of immigrants because he feared it was based on race. >> well this, is part of the ethos of the trump presidency from the very first week of the presidency. the muslim ban. this is part of alas what so many trump voters are interested in, the anxiety about the muslim immigrants and all the rest and it's incredibly disheartening. and it's true that in the past during the hearings for supreme court justices, such questions were not posed or such questions could be dodged easily and this is part of what judge kavanaugh is referring to as a charade, he resented questions being asked and that bubbled up and came out when the hearings resumed and focused on the sexual assault allegations. but this is at the core of the trump presidency. this view of race. this view of immigration. this is very much what's wanted from somebody from judge kavanaugh and it's really alarming. >> actually, it's what was at the heart of the trump campaign from early december when the president came out, then candidate trump came out, talking about a muslim ban and it wasn't a muslim ban based on six or seven countries that posed the greatest national security risk to americans, it was for 1.5 billion muslims. >> joe, look, the president gave a speech not long ago in which he tried to tell his voters what you can imagine if democrats succeeded in taking the house of representatives and/or the senate. and he envisioned a world of socialism run amuck. he said the country would be awash in immigrants. and he's painting a nightmarish scenario for his voters and unfortunately, unfortunately that kind of demagoguery which was on display during the campaign and inaugural address works. it all too often works. at state it consolidates the base you talk about here every morning that fraengs the high 30s to low 40s. >> the question is, david, how does it get from the mid-30s to the low 40s or mid-40s. it's hard to imagine a swing voter or an independent voter going in, you know what, my 401(k) looks great, i don't care what he said about charlottesville. >> that is alarming. i think even on the economic questions there's no question that the unemployment has gone down which was a trend that began with the obama administration, the tax law you can debate intensely. but i think when you have a president whom the course in one day, one day on wednesday is proven in the pages of the "new york times," in documentation, in deep reporting the kind of reporting that you referred to earlier today that's the job of journalism, this was without fear of favor and not opinion writing, that proved the president to be in business and in his inheritance a fraud. a fraud in his whole life story. then in the evening he goes to mississippi and gives the kind of speech he gave just revving up the fear and pouring hatred upon somebody just a week before he had pretended to respect, we're talking about professor ford and her testimony. that's one day. one detain this presidency that begins with depiction of his fraud in business and ends in the evening with his demo gogt e demogogery. >> he's great at it. >> given his talent at that, fear is more contagious than chicken pox in this country. >> it's terrifying. what mika had to say about 20 minutes ago, when she was talk about sexual assault, and the attempt and at the same time the attempt by the president to not only smear professor ford but to marginalize any interest in the notion of women's rights, to mock it, to dismiss it, as if this were some marginal interest and to scare the hell out of everybody and not just men and not just white men, white male anxiety that he's playing on, this is our politics now. this is our every day public existence and it's made people anxious, fearful, at each other's lost to. that's what's been created. now did donald trump create this politics? no. he's partly the product of this. and there's all kinds of trends that we can point to that gave rise to it. but he is, you will recall, the master of whipping up fear, of whipping up our anxieties and pitting american against american and i think history will prove this to be a real tragedy. >> and, david, also the master of sowing doubt and for making the truth something that's very hard to even get to and i think ultimately that has impacts on the foundation of our democracy, but in term of how the democrats respond to this, that's the bigger question because the president's behavior, his actions, the actions, in my case, what i was talking about, some of the women who worked for him, who are defending his behavior and his actions it's so easy for the democrats to completely overreact because the behavior is beyond norms. >> it's very interesting, mika. very often during a presidential race people will be dismissive of the character issue. they will say well character that doesn't really matter. i think we've never seen in such stark terms the importance of character, the importance of telling the truth as opposed to lying on a second by second basis. on the complete inability of the president of the united states to have any empathy with anyone. whether it's an immigrant, whether it's women, whether it's with people of color. look, he can deride the press all he wants. i must tell you i feel very proud of the way the kind of reporting that you've seen over the last couple of years here in the "new york times" or "the washington post" or "the new yorker," any number of places. sure it's filled with faults. but the way he wants to just dismiss the truth, and his success at doing so sometimes unfortunately is going to be proven as a real low point in modern american history. >> date, we're talking about the 19th annual new yorker festival kicking off tomorrow. you got joe and mika. >> that's the most important thing. tomorrow about 7:00 p.m. i'm interviewing jean mika on stage. i got them for over an hour. they are my hostages. >> what is the david remnick take down question? >> you got to buy a ticket. you got to buy a ticket. new yorker.com is a way you get tickets for any of these events. there's dozens of events about culture and politics but it's the joe and mika show. >> the lineup is incredible. you may have heard there was some controversy. >> i heard about that. >> steve bannon disinvited. joe has promised to wear six shirts and a barn jacket for the interview interview to make up for it. we haven't talked to you, walk us through that decision. because a lot of people thought. we actually said in the show that morning. >> i heard. >> if we were going to pick a journalist. i hate to flatter you, to interview steve bannon as a probe and go follow up and go after him on issues where he needed to be probed, it would be you. take us through the decision. >> the decision was based. you mean the changing of my mind in. >> yeah. >> a lot of my colleagues who didn't know about that invitation. you can't know about everything all the time a lot of decision made in any case about the new yorker festival, really felt very, very strongly that this was not the right venue for it. do journalism on steve bannon, more economic nationalism or bannon's attempt to whip up the same kind of fervor in our journalism, our commentary and our reporting, but to give him that kind of stage, they really objected. i saw it, you know, obviously, i decided early on that this was a good idea and sometimes, you know, it's not a democracy the way you run a magazine. finally i have to make a decision. i really heard them and aceded to what they were saying. >> are there people in the magazine who thought, this would be a great idea. >>. >> i had a few others. there were a lot more that really felt that what you were dock, it's a different venue than journalism. no one is suggesting for a minute that we don't write about, do commentary on, a reporting on anything in the magazine, we'll hear from different voices in the magazine about it. the debate was about whether the festival was the right venue for somebody like the conversation with steve bannon. i had no illusions that steve bannon was going to change his mind and become an intense democrat after my intense questioning. that was where it was, right or wrong. >> let me ask you -- >> i have no illusion that certainly joe and i will agree on every subject friday night, either. >> no, agree. >> i won't even try. >> no, that won't happen any time soon. that's good for both of us. david, i want to ask you quickly, i'm obsessed just by management techniques and secrets? we're getting out of politics for a second, for instance, nick saban, extraordinarily competitive feel that he's in. yet, he somehow mansion to always win. he separated himself from the crowd and that may be easy to do three, four, five years in. but he continues to do it. i want to ask you seriously from college football to doing what you do at the "new yorker," you guys, you, your team, have hit your stride and stayed on your stride for so long. you have been there now for well over a decade as the editor and the head of the "new yorker." what's your secret for success? why does the "new yorker" keep doing what the new yorker has been doing? why are you doing it now better than ever before? >> it's kind of you to say so, it's well over a decade, it's well over two decades, i should say. if you can stick to first principals, no matter how tough a business environment is, if you have a readership that wants exactly what you do best, you are in good shape, in other words, our readership does not want us to dumb it down or make it benile or put it into two paragraphs, they want us to report deeply, to publish commentary without fear of favor to bar someone else's logo. so our readers want us to do our very best. they don't want us to modernize it in a way that ratchets back what we do. so the principles in the magazine put in place almost 100 years ago are what we go into office to do now. i'm one of the players here. but every writer is at the magazine, every editor at the magazine is devoted to those first principles of telling the truth, of reporting deeply, sometimes taking our time and sometimes new people come along and re-energize it, so you now you have a team at the magazine for quite some time as long as i have and ronan farrow who is 30 years old, teaming up to do a lot of reporting on the "me too" controversy. so this revives itself for the first time. >> mika, an extraordinary reputation that will be shattered in one hour tomorrow night as you and i cross the state. >> oh, you will need more than an hour, david. for more information about the "new yorker" festival, go to festival.new yorker.com. david rem nick, thank you very much for being on this morning. still ahead, the fbi wrapped up its file on brett kavanaugh. will it have any impact on the vote? more of the senators, chris coons joins us straight ahead on "morning joe." t ahead on "morning joe." still ahead, we'll talk to a member of the senate judiciary committee, senate chris coombs is set to review the report on brett kavanaugh. did democrats lose the nomination fight. 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personally annihilated. >> one week ago today, two people went to capitol hill to tell two very different stories. dr. ford worried about being personally annihilated. judge kavanaugh talked about a broken system. on those points, at least both seem entirely correct. welcome to ""morning joe"." it is thursday, okay 4th along with joe, willie and me, we have msnbc contributor mike barnacle, white house reporter for the associated press and political reporter for the "daily beast" betsy woodruff joins us. the final stretch. the fbi has wrapped up its investigation, mitch mcconnell is pushing ahead on a vote. we are already seeing the impacts of this supreme court fight with republican voters appearing increasingly fired up with just about a month to go until the mid-term elections. i'd like to point out, at the end of the show yesterday, you warned about a backlash on the democrats pertaining to these kavanaugh hearings. >> a lot of them seeing them as over reaching. they talked about the media bias. they did see too many people see happening and said that there could be an impact politically and we are actually seeing that right now, mika, in some polls that actually broke a couple hours after the show yesterday. >> yeah. and it's so similar to the parallel you made to the reaction immediate reaction in general to trump. there was a blindness to what you know could be really happening. >> right. people not understanding before the election. >> so fired up on their side. >> so fired up. people in the media actually deciding that it was their job, that it was their war and i know willie brought this up, too, during the run-up to the election, people saying, what are we going to tell our grandchildren in the run-up to the trump election and i know, willie, you were saying, well, what you tell your grandchildren is, you are a journalist. you do your job. your job is not to be the candidate. your job is to report the news. we will show some polls in a second that suggest a lot of americans may believe there is a bit of an over reach by a lot of us in the media and a lot of the democrats on the judiciary committee. >> there are a lot of americans clearly concerned about what judge kavanaugh may have done to dr. ford. in the instrument, sin interim,e them throwing ice cubes in 1995 and other stories like this that look to a lot of americans, particularly republicans, even democrats like piling on and trying to take the man down. here's what we have, according to a news hour merits poll, the largest advantage has all but evaporated. 80% of republicans say the elections in november are very important. that's a just of more than ten points since july. the republican figure is two points shy of the democrats now who saw their enthusiasm tick up slightly from the prior poll, joe. so there you have it. that's over the last month or so. >> willie, we've said it time and time again on this show when people do the generic ballot tests. it's not generic ballot tests i look at, others look at going into mid-terms. it's voter intensity and the democrats have had a massive advantage in voter intensity over the past 18 months. and it has evaporated in the course of a couple of weeks. again, this is just one poll. but you don't have to be a rocket scientist or you don't have to have a ph.d. in politics to understand what the last couple weeks have done to energize the republican base and the conservative base to say, hey, i hate trump, but i'm not a big fan of what the democrats and the media are doing right now, too. . >> for sure, joe, for sure. look at the one thing we can document. you can document it any number of ways is the president's constant assault on the media, fake news, has really really worked. it has suffering in all across the country. there has been a series of stories about the supreme court appointment that have appeared on television and in newspapers that have caused i think a lot of americans and has polarized political atmosphere of ours, to stop, pause, say, hey, this is a bit too much. especially one of the later stories earlier this week about a note that judge kavanaugh when he was 17 or 18 years of age wrote to his friends about a represent am a beach represent am for a weekend. at the end of that note it says we best warn the neighborings, i'm paraphrasing and tell them a bunch of drumpgs will be representing this condo for two days. i think a lot of people looked at that and said, he was 17 when he wrote that. c'mon, so things like that have added to this enthusiasm on the republican side. >> well, you have that and mika like willie said a breathless stories about kavanaugh throwing ice cubes when he was 17 or 18-years-old, anonymous stories coming out, with absolutely no sourcing. stories about gang rape factories coming out, absolutely no sourcing. you know, i wish everybody would remember what marty bar ren tells his people at the washington post. we are not going to war. >> right. >> we are going to work. and this is a reminder. who knows, maybe kavanaugh goes down. maybe democrats have a massive landslide. i can tell you right now, these are snapshots of how americans feel today. >> it's not supposed to be how reporters feel and media analysts feel at this point in a case like this. it's not even a case yet, although the fbi is looking into it. it's a hearing, it's a job interview and what we saw and i think what is playing into this blowback you are talking about is a lot of members of the media reacting emotionally, like, for example, did brett kavanaugh feel like maybe he was lying? did it feel like maybe he was lying about drinking? did it seem like he was lying about blacking out? did it seem like he was a kind of a jerk? overly aggressive? yes, sure. >> that does not 19 he did it and we just need -- these are emotional reactions that lead to things that are said on twitter, which lead to reaction to that. which by the way leads to exactly what donald trump wants. >> exactly what he wants. report the facts and it would probably -- probably be better if everybody in the main stream media. >> just report the facts. >> reports the facts, not take every little note he wrote on the calendar. >> we are learning to. >> 20 or 30 years ago and suggest it proves he goes to gang rapes, serial rapists or some of the other preposterous things he has been saying. >> all could be true. >> we are talking about this for a reason, it's because right now, what has happened over the past couple weeks has energized a depressed republican and conservative base and now actually put a lot of democratic senate seats in danger. >> new fox news polling shows republicans making gains, in a number of battle ground senate races heading into 95. in north dakota, senator heidi heitcamp is trailing her republican challenger kevin cramer by 12 points. >> let's stop right there, of all the races right now, heidi heitcamp seems to be the democrat who, boy, she just seems like very endangered right now, unlike every other democrat in these tight races, it's hard to imagine how she fights her way back, especially with the kavanaugh vote in front of her. >> that's right. strategists i talked to on both parts of the party, shows her the most by far. there are other seats in missouri and so on, where republicans might have a slight edge. but this one with heigdi heitcap has absolutely energized republicans, who are desomeopon. does that enthusiasm persist if kavanaugh were to be seated on the bench? if he comes through this, gets on the bench, is some of this enthusiasm anger, justified how they're treating our guy like this how could they deny him? certainly if he doesn't make it, yes, you'd think that continues. if he does get on, does some of that dissipate? that's what we see in the weeks ahe ahead. >> a couple weeks ago, ironically, the person who wins this fight may lose some voters in the fall because that anger will dissipate. they win, they don't feel it's motivated to go up. there is no doubt that heidi heitcamp is -- has a lot of reason to worry this morning, just like, mika, red sox fans. >> okay. in tennessee, where president trump rallied on monday, republican marsha blackburn is leading democrat phil bredesen by five points. that's a real switch. >> that's going to be a tough battle, which i would guess is probably going to go down to the very end, because, wow, bredesen's favorable ratings in the state of tennessee are numbers that any politician would dream for. >> reporter: that's right and bredesen is the kind of candidate who needs to win if democrats are going to pull off a surprising flip of the senate. to the phil bred sense of the world aren't able to nab these kind of seats, it's extremely unlikely democrats will have to see change in control of the senate as we go into next year so this poll is really important. what it indicates, of course, that the conventional wisdom how tennessee votes, it's a super red state may still bear out as we move forward. another senate race where there is polling where it's potentially less favorable is texas. we seen polling indicating that a surge in support beto o'rourke had may not bear out. we get polling data for months and months, leading up to these election days. it's always interesting, we pour over it, try to read the tea leaves. ultimately, polls are a largely useless until october. they just don't capture the way voters are going to think on election day. that's why these numbers coming out are so important, are going to dispel a lot of the conventional wisdom that calcified over the last six months. >> what you want to look at, mika, trend lines. that's all that matters over the next four weeks. again, these trend lines could dramatically change in a week depending on which whatty kavanaugh polling goes. a tie between claire mccaskill and josh hawley. kirsten kyrsten sinema leads and joe donnelly leads by two points. >> willie, man, indiana, missouri, they're just complete tossups right now, could go either way. >> yeah, i think if you look at claire mccass kim the way she's been asked to voted and will vote on judge kavanaugh a no vote for him. it will be interesting. that's a tough cut. it has been within the margin of error some time now. this was always going to be a tossup. she seems to find awhat, we'll see if this year is different. john pedora tweeted yesterday, so, basically, we could be seeing a nearly unprecedented political event in november, house waving for dems, never happened before that i know of. so, joe, that would be a very interesting dynamic here. >> it would be interesting. i don't know that that's going to happen. we have a set of democratic polls. what i've always found is, if you have a way of breaking senate candidates. you usually have that same wave breaking for republican candidates and, you know, when voters go to the voting booth, if you have somebody that is angered by what they're seeing on tv, whether they're a democrat or a republican, it drives them out to vote. if they're so motivated, they will vote for republicans straight down the line or democrats straight down the line. still ahead, senator chris coons was among those pushing for an investigation of judge kavanaugh. he'll get to see the results of that today. before that, he joins us right here on "morning joe." s us right here on "morning joe." nothing says fall like a homecoming football game, so let's promote our fall travel deal on choicehotels.com like this. touchdown. earn a free night when you stay just twice this fall. or, badda book. badda boom. book now at choicehotels.com takes more than just investment advice. from insurance to savings to retirement, it takes someone with experience and knowledge who can help me build a complete plan. brian, my certified financial planner™ professional, is committed to working in my best interest. i call it my "comfortable future plan," and it's all possible 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jeff flake. a week ago we were riveted by the testimony of dr. ford and the forceful defense of judge kavanaugh. kavanaugh's nomination was on track as mitch mcconnell plowed through the senate. he should be had they gotten their way because of senator flake we got this respite for a brief focused fbi investigation. and, jeff and i both set two public tests here for what should happen. we should review whether or not judge kavanaugh was truthful in his testimony to the committee and we should have the benefit of a brief fbi investigation to focus on credible allegations before the judiciary committee. i have not yet seen the work product the fbi has delivered. i am very concerned by reports that the scope was narrowed and that only a few, fewer than ten individuals were interviewed. i think an obvious component of a credible investigation would have been the witnesses that dr. ford offered to whom she had revealed her sexual assault before judge kavanaugh was nominated and a number of other individuals classmates of kavanaugh's from yale who i know came forward trying to reach the fbi to testify. so i haven't seen the report yet. but i will look at it with an eye focused on whether or not this scope. the scope of this investigation was sonar rowed by the white house and the republican majority that it that i would to meet the test of respecting of dr. ford's allegations. >> really. >> many of your democratic cliques have gone further than you did and called this fbi inquiry a sham. we know from our reporting today nine people were interviewed. judge kavanaugh and dr. ford were not among them. chuck grassley saying we heard their sworn testimony. that was enough. we wanted to talk to some additional people the white house, in fact, according to our reporting has concluded thatten in of those additional interviews in the fbi inquiry corroborate the allegation against judge kavanaugh. they believe he should be confirmed and confirmed by the weekend, in fact. do you believe this fbi inquiry was a sham? >> reporter: i think the fbi conducted this inquiry at the direction of the white house and the majority in the senate. so i don't think this is the fbi's fault. i think they carried forward on the scope that they were given. but i am concerned that president trump publicly re-assured concerned senators that the fbi was going to be allowed to pursue all relevant investigatory leads for these allegations and if you've got someone like dr. ford who is urging the fbi to question her and you've got someone like dr. ford and debbie ramirez who was questioned who say here are additional witnesses who can corroborate my allegations and no effort was made to question those additional witnesses, then to me that does not seem like the robust fbi investigation the president described. >> so this looks to a lot of people, like your friends, senator flake, giving himself cover, asking for an fbi inquiry. he can say he votes if he says yes. i took the pause button for a week. the fbi concluded there is no corroboration. here's my yes vote. was this anything than for a few to recover through judge kavanaugh? >> reporter: that's viewing it through a critical lens. i know my three colleagues who pushed for a broader investigation, i'll let them speak for themselves as to whether they're satisfied with it. we don't yet know their votes. i haven't read this report yet. i'm not going to prejudge it. what you are saying is a characterization based on reporting, not based on facts. i do still think it was important to send a signal to dr. ford and debbie ramirez and many, many other victims of sexual assault that they were not just going to pull through with this confirmation without any further investigation. >> senator, i want to ask you about a letter sent last night by one of your colleagues, senator durbin to chuck grassley, the head of the judiciary committee, which he was refuting a tweet put out by the republican party that said the six previous fbi reports judge kavanaugh underwent during his time as confirmation as a judge had no whiff of anything related to inappropriate sexual behavior or alcohol abuse. that was the tweet from the republican party, senator durbin said actually that's not true. what is he talking about? is there something specific? why don't we know about it? why hasn't that been put into the evidence? >> reporter: i can't speak publicly what we're debating because it is a controversial background information. as of last night i had not heard from senator durbin and wasn't sure what he was referring to. i consulted with him and i agree with senator durbin. >> you believe there was a previous behavior by judge kavanaugh? >> reporter: that's not what i'm confirming. let's be careful here. >> was it the alcohol abuse then? it's one of two things? >> reporter: i'm simply going to say asupport senator durbin's assertions. >> his assertions are that in the previous six fbi reports, there was evidence put forth inappropriate sexual behavior or alcohol abuse. why didn't the american public hear about this during this confirmation process? >> reporter: specific allegations or results of fbi investigations in a background investigation are not public. >> and will this impact your vote on judge kavanaugh? >> reporter: it will not. i was already well aware of the specific incident being referred to here. i came to a conclusion i would vote no on judge kavanaugh before dr. ford's testimony was heard. based on his jurisprudence, his extreme view on presidential power and his views on individual liberty, particularly the landmark decision by justice kennedy that establish marriage equall, i concluded i would vote against judge kavanaugh. >> so, senator, we heard you and willie doing the back and forth on the durbin letter, the fbi investigation, the extended background check. we've all witness the hearings, the testimony by everyone. let me ask you. have you been happy with the tone and the tenor of the process and are you aware of i think what happens to the image of the united states senate among many people in this country. are you happy with that? >> reporter: not at all. mike, that's exactly what motivated me in the last week is, first, wanting to respect and hear and respond to so many individuals i've known, miami and demale friends and people i've just met from delaware and from here who shared with me stories of sexual assault. second to your point, i am gravely concerned that what the american people see that what the world sees, of our senate is partisan bickering, personal attacks, challenging each other's motives at a level i haven't seen in our eight years here, i will remind you, i have been here since 2010 when the tea party brought in folks that conducted themselves on the floor in fairly sharp waves. this has been a tough eight years, for me in terms of both parties attacking the other, i'm concerned about what this means for the ability of our is thatt to work together and to get anything done. yesterday, yesterday, we passed two significant pieces of legislation on the floor, big bipartisan packages to address opioids and heroin addiction and to move forward on faa reauthorization and pass a bill i wrote or worked closely on with senator corker. there is no coverage of that. the coverage focuses on our fighting and our fighting is sharp and personal and sends exactly the wrong message. >> senator, two questions for you. first. have you spoken to your friends flake, he satisfied with it? secondly, it's not the image of the senate but we heard about drcht ford, what sort of impact do you see that having not just on the reputation of what you are trying to do there in washington. as a chilling effect on other women who might want to come forward with their own stories of the sexual abuse, sexual misconduct. so many things happened to them to have him up there on the rally stage. >> absolutely. >> mocking her, having the crowd laugh along with him? >> reporter: that is in many ways the worst aspect of this whole sad chapter. a week ago, president trump was saying that dr. ford's testimony was credible and that she was brave to come forward. less than a week later, he is publicly ridiculing and mocking her at a political rally in mississippi. this is not the sort of behavior we would hope for or expect from a president from our leader of the executive branch of our government. i think it's important that all of us in the senate conduct ours in how we describe this allegation and this process, how we speak to and about each other in ways that rebuild and weave back together the fabric of our nation here. because, frankly, when the president goes on national television and does something like that, it sends a chill through everyone who has suffered through or survived or witnessed sexual abuse and makes them say, why would i ever come forward and subject myself to that sort of ridicule. >> senator coons, thank you 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a hypocrite she was by saying we were treating dr. ford has a fabergeic. you are not saying she needs to come out. it's in the transcript. >> you can read it. you can chop it up like trump says you do. >> the same sites. constantly lie, constantly. it's remarkable. you get paid by the lie. but in this case, mika, make your point again, some people obviously get paid by the lying headlines and block. make your point. maybe they weren't lying. maybe they're just stupid. could you make your point again about what you were saying about kelly yan? >> we had the president of the united states mocking dr. christine blasey ford, mocking her. i was making this point it is incredibly hard to put yourself in front of the blinding lights of the media in a politically charged situation like this to tell her story and how dare he mock her. but even worse, how dare sarah huckaby sanders and kellyanne conway go on to protect this president and even say that he was doing the right thing by mocking her and kelly yan conway said that she has been treated like a fabergeic. really? kellyian led it be known she, herself was a victim. i'm saying this as a victim of sexual assault myself. try being theic. it's not that easy. it is not that easy, i understand kellyian, it's not. ut can't take this and run with it and make yourself the victim with me. i'm not doing it. i'm revealing your hip possible chrissy -- hypocrisy. the level you will go to without any care of what you are doing to women who are setting us back. >> we said a couple hours ago, willie, who ill this discussion was going forward, we said in real time, thank god that kellyian conway was shown respect and treated like a quote faberge egg when she told her difficult story. >> yep. >> but she doesn't extend that any more. she did at first. but she doesn't extend that courtesy to another woman. >> nope. >> who was obviously i think even republicans on the committee agree, obviously, with sexually harassed and assaulted by somebody. >> i'll say again, kellyian conway like all women should be given the time and space if they want to talk about it publicly, reveal their experience, that's completely up to kellyian and to any woman that puts it forward. >> i'm sorry, willie, you said that i want to add on to what you said. i pointed out, when i was speaking from the heart to camera, how difficult it appeared to be for her to talk about. everything about her demeanor changed. and she, herself, showed us how difficult this is to talk about and how wonderful that jake tapper was respectful and kind and not overly intrusive and gave her the treatment that a lot of victims don't get. especially dr. ford. >> gave her the treatment that now donald trump and sarah huckaby sanders and, yes, kellyian conway is not giving dr. ford. >> not even close. >> to give that performance that kellyian gave in the driveway the day after president trump said what he said in mississippi will not sit well with a lot of people, nor 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extraordinary examples of growth, abraham lincoln at the start of the war published a lot of letters saying i don't care how you you into it the union, if it's a nation of slaves or a nation half slave half free, i'll do whatever i can do to preserve the union. that's what this war is about. a year later, obviously, he staked his legacy and the union on the freeing of the slaves. but you talk about another story a far more personal story where abraham lincoln made an opponent cry and it forever changed the way he campaigned. tell us about it and what we can learn from it. >> right. i think it just shows what happens when a potential political figure can learn how to grow from his own mistakes and the things he does that he's not proud of. he was mocking an opponent. he did it so well. he made fun of his voice the gesture the way he walked, talked, the opponent started crying, abraham lynn cal realized and gave him a heart felt apology. more than anything else, he said, if that's what it takes, it's not the person i am is essentially what he is saying. later he could say honestly in his presidency, i never put a thorn in anybody's side. the whom idea of the second inaugural malice towards none, let us bind up our nation's wounds, contrast with the fact that you would have hoped that president trump would have learned from the reaction from the time he made fun of the disabled reporter on his campaign trail. you would have hoped he how badly he was treated by the press when he talked about miss khan, here he was again in mississippi talking in this mocking tone about this woman. that's a lack of growth, it's one of the most important qualities in a leader. you can become a lead fer you grow, if you stay where you are, then you have to worry about the temperament, the temperament of a leader. >> can we talk about those extraordinary four words that abraham lincoln used you referenced a second inaugural. the south that started a war. 700,000, almost 700,000 americans killed, the north and the south separated in a way that we just can't even begin to imagine today and yet abraham lincoln in his second inauguration talks about binding the country back together again and uses those words with malice towards none. what an extraordinary moment, not only in that man's life, but in the life of this country and what great lesson for us all today. >> oh my god, how important it would be for us. think about it twhachlt he says in that inaugural is the sin of slavery was shared by both side. both sides prayed to the same god, neither's prayers were answered. if we could have leaders right now talking about this divisiveness, which is as bad as i've seen in my lifetime. we didn't see the right temperament with the judge when he went after the democratic party in his hearings the clinton revenge. you don't need corroborating evidence about the assault, itself, to know that's not the judicial temperament we need at a time when things are so bad tone ally in our -- on ttonally one of the things we need is to heal the country. tedry roosevelt said when people heal each other from different races, religions as the other. that's where we are right now. nel we can heal that a democracy can't work. we're feeling that today. >> that seems larger than the debates going on about the hearings right now. what we saw in that institution is what mike said earlier, until the institution becomes more important to you. until your country becomes more important than your party, where are we? i sometimes feel we are back in the 1850s when things are coming apart like that. >> you covered roosevelt, fdr, lynn don johnson. -- lippedowe lyndon john-onson. i think too many think the lights are going out in america. can you point to the fact this is not going to happen and the darkness that occurred in the past that we overcame. >> think of how many different times we had immigrants come into the country. i remember in the 18 -- i don't remember in the 1890s, i read about the 1890s when there were speeches on the senate floor saying the white race is going to be overwhelmed. we only need europeans coming. we can't have people coming from other parts of the world. we strengthened ourselves. we got stronger with each immigrant group that came in. we should be welcoming the changes in our democratic ones, we should be able to look at this as part of our nation. this is what's built us. instead, there is this fear of the future. what we need leaders to tell us if the future is going to be changed by us. one of the things roosevelt said is problems created by man can be solved by man, we have to believe we have the confidence to figure out our economy to take place of what's happening to the people who have lost their work. it's no good to go backwards, in terms of race relation, gender relation or white it/black relations. we need that positive leadership to come forward. it will come from somewhere. maybe it's a governor a mayor, somebody we don't know who understands the pivotal point we're at right now and is able to somehow make this country come together and it's more important than what's happening, even at this moment with this hearing. >> well said. as always, before you go, an important question to you, joe is playing the roam of fatal red sox fans, barnacle, the confident red sox fans says sox in 4, where do you come oun? >> sox in 6, sox in 5. >> that extra race is going to be really poin important. it will be just for us. >> confident but not too confident. the new book is leadership in turbulent times. let's bring in national correspondent for "time" magazine, she has a new piece in what's changed in light of the kavanaugh confirmation battle. she writes, in part, it was like watching a re-enactment of the 2016 election, all in one dave. but something has shift since 20 ken. on the first full day of trump's presidency, nearly 4 million americans gathered for the women's march, likely the latest "me too" movement. since clinton's defeat a record of number of female candidates have stepped up to run for office, themselves. another blond woman, another loud man. this time there are no hacked e-mails or immigration debates, when she says one thing, he says another, whom does america believe? it looks like with the fbi inquiry the follow-up, we will not get further into convincing either side he said it or she said it. >> absolutely, correct. for many americans, the 2015 election essentially hinged on a conundrum. it was a referendum on what american women can achieve politicalty and what american men can get away with. the answer is american men can get away with a lot. we elected by at least a dozen women of sexual assault. so the thing is, a lot has changed in the last two years. we've seen that male impunity crumble with the me too movement. we've also seen women's political power grow in a way that has been largely unprecedented. in some ways, the 2016 election showed us that american women didn't have the unified political capital to elect a female president. that might be changing with the wave of women we see going into the 2018 midterms. >> there's so much been made of of course the energy these candidates have. the women have politically. let's say kavanaugh gets through anyway, he's going to be seated on the bench. did that become a frustrating moment like nothing's actually changed? >> i've spent the last year talking to women all over the country about not kavanaugh in particular but about their political engagement. these women are already very engaged. 71% of democratic women say they're extremely motivated going into the midterms. i think if kavanaugh is seated, it's going to be turbo-charge that. the question, is it for women already engaged and are we just kind of turning up the volume on women who were planning already on showing up? i don't think that's necessarily the case. again, roe v. wade is at stake here. roe v. wade is something that is overwhelmingly popular with american women in particular but americans overall. and also there has been a shift in attitudes. especially since this -- since the anita hill hearing 27 years ago. i mean, right now, 45% of americans believe ford and only 33% believe kavanaugh. that's something that's certainly going to have an impact if he's seated on the court. >> one of the pieces in this magazine, to victims, ford's testimony was an invitation to speak up. no matter how powerful the accused. no matter how long ago the attack. people will listen. country seemed to reassure them we will believe you. a great new issue of "time." thanks so much. it took less than a month after being inaugurated for president trump to start calling journalists the enemy of the people. the very roots of american democracy. keep it on "morning joe." ing jo. ignition sequence starts. 10... 9... guidance is internal. 6... 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... ♪ a few days ago, i called the fake news the enemy of the people, and they are, they are the enemy of the people. because they have no sources. they just make them up when there are none. >> at one point, he started to attack the press. there were no cameras. there was nothing going on. i said, you know, that is getting tired. why are you doing this? you're doing it over and over and it's boring and it's time to end that. you know, you've won the nomination. why do you keep hammering at this? and he said, you know, why i do it? i do it to discredit you all and demean you all so when you write negative stories about me, no one will believe you. >> from the beginning of his presidency, donald trump has accused the press of being an enemy of the people. our next guest, one of the pillars of the journalism community, the president so often attacks, warns we should fear for the future of american democracy due to these unrelenting assaults. his new book is entitled enemy of the people. trump's war on the press. the new mccarthyism and the threat to american democracy. joining us now, award winning journalist, senior fellow at the brookings institution and former moderated of "meet the press," marvin kalb. thank you for being on. >> thank you, my pleasure. >> tell us about the challenges, the concerns, your book raises about the freedom of the press and the impact this presidency is having on our democracy. >> well, my own feeling is, and it always has been, i've been in this business now for more than 60 years. i've learned a couple of things. when a society has a free press and an unafraid press, it's going to have a vibrant democracy. when the press is humiliated, depressed, made to feel less than a full sublg in that society, democracy itself is weakened. when the president on february 17th, 2017, for the first time, used that expression, enemy of the people, i personally was shocked. i was absolutely shocked. because the expression has a very specific origin. it goes to the 20th century extremists, the dictators, hitler, stalin, mao, they are the people that used that expression. no leader of a democracy had ever done that. when president trump did it, i was stunned because i know he is not of that persuasion at all. so why did he do it? he did it to humiliate the press and make them conform to what he wants. but when you do that, you lose the spirit of a free press and that is the essence of our democracy. >> so how do you think the press has responded to this challenge and where can he improve? >> this is an interesting question. i think right now, journalism appears to be split between two camps. there's one camp that says, in effect, let's just cover the news. let's not get absolved with trump to the degree we have to. let's not go overboard on that. chuck todd for example, so says at this particular point, when the press is attacked, the press ought to fight back. if the press is accused of making up the story of fake news, let the public see exactly what the basis of the the story is. in other words, some people want to fight back. other people just want to do their job. >> marvin, in some measures, the president's war on the press has been good for the press, "the times" where i work has seen a bump in subscriptions. "the post" has as well. our channel right here is doing very well. so really is the problem with the president and all readers or, just to be frank here, is the crisis for the press with conservative readers who don't trust the press because of attacks from the president? and if so, what steps can reporters and journalists do in good faith to allay the concerns of conservative readers and viewers that were not working in good faith? >> look, there were many, many years ago, when i remember ed murrow at cbs, the the guy who hired me in 1957, murrow took on senator mccarthy. and he took mccarthy on, on the basis of facts. mccarthy was a danger to the society. murrow, representing a free press, could take on mccarthy and win. cronkite, during the vietnam war, looked at it and said this is a stalemate we can't win, let's get out. that was a major statement. woodward and bernstein is another great example of how the press, when unleashed in a free society, can accomplish miracles. i happen to feel right now that though there is no murrow today, there is a collective wisdom in the press that when it covered any story right now that represents the trump crisis, they're going to get to the heart of it. and when they get to the heart of it, the american people say thank you. >> the book is, enemy of the people, trump's war on the press. the new mccarthyism and the threat to american democracy. marvin kalb, thank you so much. we could talk to you for hours. we really appreciate your coming on this morning. >> thank you so much. >> and stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks so much, mika. good morning. i'm stephanie ruhle. with a lot to cover today. starting with the report is in. the fbi concludes its supplemental investigation into brett kavanaugh, delivering a report to the white house overnight. this morning, all 100 senators will have the chance to be briefed on its finding it is behind closed doors and mcconnell schedules a vote for friday. >> they'll be plenty of time for members to review and be briefed on the supplemental material. >> and a standoff in south carolina. an upscale community erupts in gunfire. >> suspect has a high-powered rifle and is firing at officers as we speak. >> an officer down at this time. suspect still firing. use precaution. >> an elderly man opens fire on police, issuing a search warrant, trying to gather evidence for an alleged sexual assault. costing one officer his life. >> pray for the family who lost the bravest police officer that i have ever known. >> and act blue. democrats turn to micro democracy to raise money.
New-yorkUnited-statesMissouriTexasWashingtonFloridaDelawareChinaWhitehouseDistrict-of-columbiaCaliforniaIndiana before, but it did happen on the day after the fire. during the holy week, when notre dame lit up like a burning bush and drew people from its flames in the street of paris and all over the world. in person, on tv, smartphones all over the globe, they watch. europe was once home to 65% of the world's catholics. they spent centuries building churches in every town, from spain to his bowling. craftsmen toiled away at works of art that most of them would never live to see completed. notre dame took 200 years to create. today, most people come in, they tour, they gaze at the beauty, they walk around. but that is not why notre dame is billed as national the they knew this place as not only a place a particular ability, but a place of transcendence. a house dedicated to god and builds to glorify him. not its creators. it's beauty told a story of something greater, and something not of this world. the fire was a painful reminder that everything in the earthly city is in the end only dust. joining me now, raymond arroyo, eternal world television network news managing editor and fox news contributor. great to have you here. i think this fire has provoked so much feeling and thought about faith in the world, not just about this structure itself. i want to put something for i want to say anything, a tweet that you said. as hugo road, hugo victor, author of "les miserables," she's the mother church of europe and living monument to centuries of french catholic belief. she's a sign to the world, this fire has given us a new sign of holy week. >> there has been a war going on, the cultural war going on not only in france but all across europe, between secularism and they catholic and christian roots of europe. what we saw yesterday reminded us in a very stark way that when something so beautiful that represents not just beautiful structures or art, martha, but hundreds of years of belief, deep belief that sent craftsmen to the spires to craft these statues that have withstood the test of time, it's the faith that impelled them and a monument of a living faith. today, those values, the conditions foundations of europe, were tested. people were shocked in recognition that this is not just a pretty museum or something to look at, but the represents who we are as a culture, as a people. i spoke to some parisians who are hardly religious folks who said i was weeping in the streets and didn't quite know why. it was like a part of me that was dying. it's a part of them. i think during holy week, it's also a reminder, martha, you've been covering this crisis in the catholic church. it is like the church, notre dame, our mother, today. the roof is caved in, the structure is sound, but a question of whether it will survive and what form it will take in the future. it's up to all of us to be part of that renewal. it's not just about the externals. it's about what's filled with and what's underneath that, that's faith. >> martha: it got a lot of people talking yesterday. we talked a lot about what's going on in the church, the decay, all of it that needs to be reformed, rebuilt in so many ways. it's just an awesome metaphor in many ways as you so rightly point out. it provokes conversation and this was from cnn last night. i want to get your thoughts on it. >> let's say you are not a believer. it'll force you believe. >> it's an interesting message to make sense of. a time of birth and renewal, we lose something that mattered so much at this time of year. >> your thoughts on that? >> i do think it's a shock to the system and a reminder that the beautiful things that we see, they are not here forever. we should cherish them while they are here, but i love that the heart of the charge, okay, the heart of notre dame, its relics, pressure treasures were removed. you have the brave fire chaplain who went in, he rescued those relics. these are the crown the throne's that were on the christ's head, the nails that pierced his flesh, they have been venerated and held in this state since time of constantine. this is important. this is what the faith is about. not the structure. i think i was reminded of that line when i saw the interior of the church, you are showing some of the images there. when the smoke cleared, the cross in the back behind the altar shone so brightly, and it reminded me of the maid of orleans, joan of arc, who said, "hold the cross higher so i can see it through the flames," that was really her last words. it's what i thought of as i so the smoke cleared and saw the cross there. we are left with the cross and it's our decision what to do with it. really, francis committed to rebuilding it, but one hopes the values will also be rebuilt. we also heard from spewing mind last >> martha: jonah goldberg's national reviews senior editor. good to have you here tonight. the decline of churchgoing, the decline in the united states here as well. is there a larger message you like to say something about based on what the conversation raymond and i were just having? >> sure. i think raymond is right is that europe has been struggling with secularism far more than the united states has, even if united states have problems up front as well, it's worth or measuring that the of notre dame didn't burn -- this was not the first time it burned and fell. it was the french revolutionaries who wanted to convert notre dame into a temple of reason and reject god entirely. for me, i'm not a catholic. the name goldberg might have tipped you off. >> martha: [laughs] >> for me, i spent a a week working on the document tree on notre dame, one of the best professional moments of my life. as a conservative, conservative conservatism is grounded in gratitude. one thing we teach young people in this country is a persistent sense of ingratitude, the opposite of gratitude, resentment and entitlement. one of the wonderful things about this week, despite this the tragedy of watching this burn, notre dame has been commonly updated over eight centuries. one of the things that you saw is the people who took this landmark, this relic for a lot of people for granted, granted, all of a sudden realizing, my god, would france be like if we lost this? we now see france did a very bad job of maintaining notre dame before this and there is this unbelievable outpouring of support for rebuilding it. conservatism is you look around the world and see these things that you find lovely and lovable that you want to pass on to your children. you want to conserve them. notre dame all of a sudden when it's in peril, people realize that this is a huge part of our identity as a people, a huge part of our identity as a faith, they rallied and realize that they should have been more grateful. >> martha: that's a great point and you don't realize how much something means until it potentially might be taken away from you. we have a picture of world war ii american soldiers arriving in paris right outside of notre dame. i think if we can put that up -- hitler also wanted to remove the faith as it existed, and that was restored by the allied invasion. >> he wanted to burn paris, remember? >> there were other religions who would also like to see these churches gone. it's historically so significant to realize you have to fight for these things. >> europe's problem is they subsist you subsidized the churches, and te churches go empty. part of them is that europeans believe that taxation is their form of charity and go work while americans see organizations like churches do good work in the world. >> martha: good to see you tonight, jonah. >> great to be here. >> martha: a movie about convicted murderer outrage the trump administration, the people that work there, so much, that they are considering new measures on the legal limits on abortion. kellyanne conway response to that and more next. >> the smell! i mean, you've got to see this. >> i've never been in the abortion clinic before... when heartburn hits, fight back fast with tums smoothies. it neutralizes stomach acid at the source. ♪tum tum tum tum smoothies. also available tums sugar-free. it's kind of unfair that safe drivers have to pay as much for insurance... as not safe drivers! ah! that was a stunt driver. that's why esurance has this drivesense® app. the safer you drive, the more you save. don't worry, i'm not using my phone and talking to a camera while driving... i'm being towed. by the way, i'm actually a safe driver. i'm just pretending to be a not safe driver. cool. bye dennis quaid! when insurance is affordable, it's surprisingly painless. the matters.ar... introducing the all-new 2019 ford ranger, it's the right gear. with a terrain management system for... this. a bash plate for... that. an electronic locking rear differential for... yeah... this. heading to the supermarket? 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babies moving? >> i don't know. >> martha: members of the administration horrified by the film, it's moved them to consider new abortion legislation. moments ago, i spoke with kellyanne conway, counselor to the president about that and other big topics tonight. good evening, kelly yan. what was the reaction and what kind of new legislation or new moves is the president of proposing here? >> as you know, the polls show a vast majority of americans are against late-term abortions, against what kermit gosnell is doing, killing babies after they are born. when he said on the radio show that sometimes after the baby is born, they keep the infant comfortable and you confer with a woman in her position about what to do next. it's outraging even people who call themselves pro-choice. they are against late-term abortion, against abortion for selection purposes past 20 weeks, for example, past where nonpartitions and scientists a a baby can feel pain. it's president donald trump, this really got this conversation started in earnest and we are now in the swing with kermit gosnell in the white house but he turned to hillary clinton and said, you are the extreme one on abortion, you are, you would rip that baby out of the mother's womb hours before it was born and a lot of people collectively went, ooh, and it is done by planned parenthood where they get half a billion dollars a year in taxpayer money and give all their money to democratic candidates. >> martha: we asked howard schultz this question, we asked bernie sanders is question as well. up to the mast that make last-minute abortion and it was not a huge problem because it was rare. >> with regards to abortion, do you believe a woman should be able to terminate a pregnancy up to the moment of birth? >> i think that happens very, very rarely, and i think this is being made into a political issue. spirit what kind of issue do you think that's going to be, specifically what legislative move as a present want to see, what action are you taking at the white house? >> you heard the crowd here too. they do not like when the question is raised because they know it's a losing issue for them. the legislations that the democrats voted against again and again, the born alive survivor protection act. born alive, everybody knows what that means. a abortion survivor reduction act. all the gobbledygook and gibberish that comes out of capitol hill, this is pretty straightforward. you survive and abortion, you ae alive, it should be giving this a reasonable standard of care that we would give an infant that's alive or any individual that's alive for the democrats, including demiscammers bernie sanders, voted against that. people fight for reasonable restrictions and regulations that are in line with a country that should value life. >> martha: i want to get to go quick topics in with you. this is bernie sanders last night on the question of how you pay for medicare for all which would be essentially free, according to senator sanders. let's watch. we've got so many emails, ask senator sanders how he'll pay -- >> if you are asking me -- this is a fair question, are people going to pay more in taxes? yes. at the end of the day, the overwhelming majority of people are going to end paying less. >> martha: and he's going to have to defend his program but what is the white house going to say on this? a lot of people criticize republicans saying you don't like aca but you have not come out with something that could've passed that would fix these problems? >> the president he said earlier this month that he wants the republican party to be the party of health care. pre-existing conditions will be protected, nonnegotiable dead stop. the president doesn't want 180 million americans who currently have private insurance to lose it as they would under medicare for all. also, the president believes that health care in this country should not bankruptcy individual. should not bankrupt the country. bernie sanders has no idea how to pay for that except to increase taxes, and that means it's not going to be free. this is about free stuff versus freedom. and the president also -- just look at what he's done successfully by stabilizing. ironically, he stabilized the obamacare exchanges -- be when he's going to protect pre-existing conditions and also try to bring down the cost of pharmaceuticals. >> medicare of all means choices were none. medicare for all means choices -- ensures our production expenses, the medicare, the 60 million seniors disabled currently rely along. that would be completely gone. >> martha: we'll be talking about health care a lot. the whole country, we can come up with some actual solution that'll make it cheaper in the future. before i let you go, story today about people fearing the wrath of president trump because their names are going to be exposed in this mueller report when it comes out in terms of what they told the investigators, what was going on behind the scenes with regard to obstruction. what do you say to that? what's the president's attitude who has been tweeting a lot about this, and how is he feeling about this report coming out on thursday? >> we already see "no collusion," central premise in the investigation. i do not know what's in the report, we will all see it when everybody else sees it. martha, that's the latest iteration of the palace intrigue story that the mainstream media loves to run. easier to do what you and bret baier did last night, have a town hall about issues. which is ask the tough questions, find solution to america's problems. they would rather pit us against each other and the president against current and former, future staff. i can tell you that we are not looking at it that way at all. but in these 400 pages, we know what does not exist and it's collusion. let's face it. that's the essential premise, donald trump won fairly and squarely was somehow in a care mental conspiracy with russians. that's a big lie that was allowed to run to let fly. >> martha: two words, will the president speak after the report comes out? 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that's the question that some are asking tonight after a judge in admitted the suspect was "up to something nefarious, that's the judge talking. she's staying in jail as some question the security of president trump's home away from the white house where he and his family will spend the easter weekend. trace gallagher digging in from our west coast newsroom. hi, trace. >> maximum eddie made clear that he's not buying the -- 33-year-old yujing zhang made her way through a checkpoint by showing resort employees a couple of chinese passport and saying that she was there to go to the swimming pool. when secret service agents confronted her, she said she was there for a united nations event. prosecutors say zhang had been notified it was canceled. she was prosecutors have now backed away from previous claims that she was carrying a computer thumb drive containing malware that can infect computer systems, although she did get within arm's length of mar-a-lago computers. when asked about the electronics, she told secret service, she feared they would be stolen if she left them in her room. but during a search of her room, agents found more electronics, including a device to detect hidden cameras, along with $8,000 in cash in them number of unsecured credit cards. that's what prompted the judge to say he believed she was up to something nefarious, adding, quoting here, "it does seem to the court that her alleged innocent explanation is refuted by what she left behind." still, there are no charges of spying or espionage, just that she knowingly entered a restricted area, but her former counter terrorism agent saying, mar-a-lago may present the words counterintelligence nightmare the country has faced since the cold war. a secret service and judge are concerned, the president calls it a fluke. watch. >> i'm not concerned at all. we have very good control. extremely good -- and it's getting better. >> zhang being held without bail because she's a flight list and even if she were release, immigration agents would likely hold her because her u.s. visa has been revoked. zhang's lawyer says the entire matter is because of a language barrier. martha? >> martha: they are taking it seriously in the way they are holding her. so my next guest is a frequent guest, ron kessler is an investigative journalist. he is the author of "the trump white house, changing the rules of the game." good to see you this evening. you have uncovered nefarious activity in the secret service over the course of your reporting. but you don't think that this is anything to be concerned about. why? >> i have read two books about the secret service that exposed a lot of their laxness. also broke the in this case, it's much ado about nothing. it doesn't make any difference who is on the property when trump is not there. all kinds of people are there for various events. all kinds of people want to be there just to say they were there. but what counts is when trump is there. he was not there at the time. if he had been there, it would've been an entirely different story. she would've been asked for her idea, which would've been checked by agents who are armed, she would've had to go through a metal detector, and most important if trump was dining there, agents would've been all around him with a rope line around his table. and anybody who approached, who might've been a threat -- >> martha: well, i hear you, but there's more to the security. obviously protecting the president is number one. but there is also protecting the technology that exists in the place and whether or not somebody is trying to make a connection or leave something. she had a lot of equipment with her. she also had this weird device in her room that the text hidden cameras but who carries around something like that quite like that's not normal. >> as far as the computers go, if she got into the mar-a-lago computers she would've found a how many prime steaks they were ordering -- be one that some of the problems. you go there a lot, frequently you say, right? >> as an example of the protection, at one point, my wife pam and i, went over to say hi to trump and melania. she leaned over one of the ropes and a secret service agent yanked her back. she's still furious about that. >> martha: as she should expect some people listen right now, this man doesn't want to be closed out at mar-a-lago. it is odd that there is a presidential residence, and we've seen many presidents have a summer white house. they are not generally surrounded by or attached to a public environment. that is very unusual. here's what -- he said for the safety of the united states secrets, counterterrorism agent who was very involved after 9/11, but the safety of united states secrets and the president of himself, a copper has a review of trump's way of working is urgently needed. >> the security is just the same as if trump went to a restaurant or even if he goes to a rally and goes into a crowd. the agents are all around him, it's exactly the same. they do not shut down the idea of a restaurant. this really is much ado about nothing, and the comment by the former fbi agent is really absurd. and i'm no defender 100% of trump. i have a lot of negative items in my book, the trump white house, i do basically doll may conclude -- be when i don't think it's about positive or negative dell makes me when i don't think it's about a me when i don't think it's about positive or >> what is a problem is the fence around the white house. >> martha: thank you very much much. coming up next year on this story from a backlash for share after she dared to agree with president trump. hmmmm. ♪ rub-a-dub ducky... and then...there's national car rental. at national, i'm in total control. i can just skip the counter and choose any car in the aisle i like. so i can rent fast without getting a hair out of place. heeeeey. hey! ah, control. 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right on the border? at the same -- >> the people living on the border should have more facilities in their states, but, but century cities who set our opening excepting to people -- >> this is a political act. it's not a real question. >> martha: is it a real question? if you are one of those people and you need to go to somewhere, i think it's a real question. it's a real question for all of those individuals who have crossed the border and taking the lives and their hands to do so to try and claim asylum here. joining me, katie pavlich, and fox news contributor and former pennsylvania governor at rendell. welcome to the both of you. great to have you here. cher was so horrified that the president agreed with her that she sent this really scathing tweet saying all these things about him, i think we have it up, and she called him a lizard brain, among other things. that's the next part of the shared use a la bernie sanders said last night suggesting it's not a real question to ask what the solution is of the near term solution of where all of these hundreds and thousands of people that have crossed should be taken care of and the how they should wait for the process. your thoughts? >> look, the answer is that the people should be held where the asylum courts are. it makes no sense to send them to chicago, bring them back to the asylum courts which are on the border. to that extent, senator sanders is right. even if it's temporary, new facilities to house these people who lawfully seek asylum. they are not illegals. it is legal to come to the united states seeking asylum. that's why we have asylum courts. the asylum courts should be ruled as quickly as possible and determine -- >> let me ask you this. something like 80%-90% coming across claiming asylum are not eligible. most of them get released into the population. so it's -- >> they should be sent back. >> martha: you would change the law? >> you have to be held until they have a court decision. >> martha: the law now currently states that on a company in minors and families cannot be held for more than 20 days. the asylum backlog is something like 700,000 cases which takes years -- the law does not allow for i.c.e., customs enforcement, health and human services -- they are already being released into the country and they are being released in two places all over -- not just chicago and sanctuary cities, as the president has suggested, but they go wherever they please bear the fact is the president federal government sends these two people often times here illegally themselves, she's talking about we've talked about extensively on their show and others about the laws, asylum cl of that. she is talking about los angeles not being able to take care of its own, she's right. illegal immigration is a devastating problem when it comes to economics because it's about limited resources, whether it's health care, human conditions to put people coming to the country, and it's a matter of government not being able to provide people who are citizens in their cities right now and now we are dumping thousands of people into those cities come expecting them to have humane conditions. >> this is mayor de blasio, he is one who said we should be welcoming everybody into our country and they are essentially sanctuary cities. but when it comes to the question of can you take some of them? no way. here he is. >> it's illegal. we'll be tim incorporated he said he was going to because we do not affect mentation status because we would not cooperate with everything i.c.e. is doing, we said we'd go go to court and stop him. we did. this is patently illegal. we'll stop it. >> what the president has done here is to call their bluff and say, you say that we need to be open. but many of these cities are not obviously on the border and not dealing with the day-to-day difficulties of the situation. as soon as somebody suggests that may be they could help take some of these people, no way. no way. the oakland mayor who tipped people off to i.c.e.? no way, can handle it. >> martha: what do you think of that hypocrisy? >> it is hypocritical. katie is right, the law should be change for 20 days is ridiculous given the current burden. we should construct these facilities where the asylum courts are. because if you send someone to philadelphia or chicago or oakland, and the asylum courts are on the border, the chances of getting them back are nil. we've got to do with an encumbrance of way that makes sense. we've got to hire more asylum judges just like -- >> martha: do you think we need to change the laws so we do not have 80%-90% of the people seeking asylum not eligible? should we change the law? >> what we should do is make it clear that if you come here seeking asylum, we shall make you are going to be held at the border until you have your day in court, and if you lose and the judge does not grant you asylum, you are sent back. if we do that, it'll stop the influx. >> martha: thank you very much. ed rendell, katie pavlich. >> great job last night as well. >> martha: thank you very much. a little crazy. so the wealthy americans, patriotic millionaires who wants to pay more in taxes next. hey whoa, pop, pop... your shoe's untied. ♪ ensure he's well taken care of, even as you build your own plans for retirement. see how lincoln can help. to be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing it's best to make you everybody else... ♪ ♪ means to fight the hardest battle, which any human being can fight and never stop. does this sound dismal? it isn't. ♪ ♪ it's the most wonderful life on earth. ♪ ♪ but dad, you've got allstate. with accident forgiveness they guarantee your rates won't go up just because of an accident. smart kid. indeed. are you in good hands? 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high net americans including themselves to pay more in taxes to benefit the greater good. eric, he is also a professor at columbia university, eric, glad to have you here today. we asked bernie sanders, you know if you believe so strongly that people should pay, he said 52% but we had 70% state tax, why don't you just carve out the money that that would constitute and send a check to the government? no one is telling you to send more if you want to pay more? >> eric: essentially do i believe we should have a voluntary tax? >> shannon: we do. any day of the week. >> eric: no, should you be unable to pay what you want? >> shannon: if you feel as he does that rich people are not taxed enough, you can certainly write an extra check to send it to the irs. >> eric: how is that different than people pay what they think they should owe? >> shannon: people would pay nothing and a basic amount peoples should pay. >> eric: the taxes should be minimum and above that. >> shannon: i'm saying the status quo that we live in now is in place. if people like bernie sanders believe that he should pay more as a millionaire, he has every right to do so. >> eric: because you set your so -- yourself. i'm not paying enough, but you're not paying enough. all the rich people out there or not paying enough. i want or reach -- rich people to pay their fair share in taxes. let's be clear -- clear where we are today. $2,171.3 million in effective tax rate 22%. i believe that is too low. under the new rule -- >> shannon: so pay more. >> eric: under the tax bill come about 18%. and that is really too low. kushner paid zero taxes over the last. i believe that is observed. >> shannon: i don't think anybody should pay zero taxes. >> eric: but you are saying that you think you should cite it, sheds decide for themselves what to send an. >> what i'm saying i don't want to spend more taxes but i paid plenty of taxes but if you feel guilty enough -- >> eric: voluntary tax system and why am i responsible for pill -- paying the military taxes but you are not? where does this money goes? my responsibility to pay salaries. >> shannon: why do you have so much faith in the federal government they will do well by the extra money these people send them? >> eric: let's be clear, the republicans have the tax bill that borrowed $1.5 trillion to give 80% to rich people like me. >> shannon: you know that is happening. >> ericcompanies buying more ma, people at the lower end of the wage spectrum have benefited more than the upper end of the wage spectrum. anti-regulation in america. >> eric: the president said he wanted to cut taxes on middle-class people. if that is what happen in the tax bill that i would support. i'm fully in favor. >> they ended up benefiting -- >> in the pockets of the middle-class americans. >> shannon: we are. that's what i'm talking about. >> it's not going to go anywhere. i don't need the extra money. >> shannon: the question is whether or not if you free up money to people put it to work in businesses and employee people which we seen over the past couple of years. >> eric: that's not what we seen happen. >> shannon: yes, it is. >> eric: people will agree with me they don't believe the rich is paying fair share. b2 and i don't think anybody should pay zero. i don't think benny -- >> should i give all my money to the government? give whatever you want. >> what is the problem with that? why is that not fair? donald trump claims this tax bill will cost him money. i have said this tax bill will save me $50,000. do you believe the president when he says he will pay more taxes as a result of the tax bill? >> shannon: i think you should pay whatever fellow says he should pay. >> eric: why should i do any different? >> shannon: he's a genius. the least amount legally and you want to pay more than the least amount. i've got to go. >> eric: i want to sold to pay the same amount. >> shannon: i've got to get to him because i know he will want to respond, steve welcome, the next revolution, what do you think about that? >> steve: i love the great debate and a good job last night. and i love what peggy noonan said, your town hall last night was the first electric critical moment 2019. >> shannon: are like that too. >> steve: this argument is so ridiculous because the truth is we will take it seriously there is a simple saying here that is true, you don't make the poor richer by making the rich poor. the fact is in the free-market capitalist system, you will always have a range of income. some people rich and some people poor and a lot of people in the middle. americans understand that and accept it with one condition. the opportunity for people to rise, to climb the ladder, work hard and get richer. the problem is inequality is a problem because the last year, people are stuck. that you don't have the opportunity. that is the real point and the reason for that, not because of taxes. the number one reason that social ability has torn in america, the family breakdown. if you want people to get opportunities, the best thing you can do is make children raised in a stable, living home with two parents. you never hear that from people on a socialist left. >> shannon: quick question before i let you go. bernie sanders getting heat from democrats because he is doing well. will they do the same thing again they did last time? >> steve: it looks like it. a stock bernie movement and they've learned nothing from 2016. they will try to stop him because they think that people still want the establishment but they don't periods people want and outside for shake things up bernie's policy will shake things up. but the worst and insider can do is rigged the race all over again because that will infuriate bernie's crowd. they are pretty big. >> shannon: what they are pretty big and i can see it going to the convention may be. steve, thank you very much. we will have more stories. stick around. moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. like how humira has been prescribed to over 300,000 patients. and how many patients saw clear or almost clear skin in just 4 months - the kind of clearance that can last. humira targets and blocks a specific source of inflammation that contributes to symptoms. numbers are great. and seeing clearer skin is pretty awesome, too. that's what i call a body of proof. humira can lower your ability to fight infections. serious and sometimes fatal infections, including tuberculosis, and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. want more proof? 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