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john berman here in sutherland springs, texas, for cnn's special coverage of the church massacre that is now the deadliest mass shooting in texas history, but only the deadliest in u.s. history since last month. 26 people are dead including a 17-month-old baby. >> john, i am so glad you're with me for this hour here live in texas. i'm brooke bolduan in new york. breaking at this hour, we are learning another murder victim was lula white, the grandmother of the shooter's wife. investigators just revealed that the gunman had sent threats to other members of his wife's family. >> one thing everybody wants to know is why did this happen. it's a senseless crime, but we can tell you that there was a domestic situation going on within this family. the suspect's mother-in-law attended this church. we know that he had made threatening texts from him and we can't go into details about that domestic situation that is continuing to be vetted and thoroughly investigated. we want to get that out there that this was not racially motivated. it wasn't over religious beliefs. there was a domestic situation going on between the family and the in-laws. >> reporter: the investigators here said they have viewed video from inside the first baptist church as the violence erupted during the service sunday morning. the gunman opened fire even before he entered the building and before it was all over he either killed or wounded nearly half, nearly half of the people inside. we do have video of a previous service you can see just how little space there was for anyone to hide. investigators also just disclosed more details on the attempted getaway of the gunman who was in the air force and court-martialed in 2012 for assaulting his wife and a child. cnn's brian todd is in new brnfuiles, texas. >> a very dramatic scene after the gunman devin kelley shot up that church and inflicted the carnage that he did. officials say he then emerged from the church and a samaritan along with another one, but this one samaritan had an ar-style assault rifle himself and the two exchanged gun fire. the samaritan trying to stop kelly from inflicting more carnage there. they exchanged gun fire and kelley jumped in his vehicle and sped away. according to officials he made a dramatic phone call to his own father. take a listen. >> we know during that pursuit the suspect used his cell phone to notify his father that he had been shot and didn't think he was going to make it. >> reporter: at that point according to one of the witnesses who chased him the gunman drove his car into a ditch. the samaritans who confronted him and yelled for him to get out of the car. he did not get out of the car at some point there officials believe he very likely took his own life with a self-inflicted gunshot wound and also, john, new details we are learning about the gunman's past according to the sheriff's office in el paso county, colorado. the gunman devin kelley was arrested there in august 2014 on an animal cruelty charge. according to records the witness who called to report the case saw devin kelley jump on a brown and white husky, a dog and punched the dog several times in the head and neck area, punched him several other times and then dragged the dog away. officials were called to confront kelley on that. he denied it according to the sheriff's office there. he did get a summons to appear in court, but he never spent any jail time for those charges, john. so he does have an animal cruelty charge in his past, as well. three years ago in el paso county, colorado, where he was living in an rv park in colorado springs at that time, john. >> reporter: a very violent past, as it turns out, we are learning today. all right, brian todd in new braunfels, thanks so much. back to you. >> vice president mike pence has announced he will be headed to sutherland springs, texas, on wednesday and we are treating several of the church shooting victims and with me by the phone lenny kirkman. a spokeswoman for university hospital in san antonio. lenny, thank you so much for hopping on with me and just tell me how many people are you all treating and what's the range in conditions? >> yeah. right now at university hospital we have six patient, three children and three adults and their condition range from critical down to serious. >> i know you can't speak in specifics, but when you say three children how are they doing? it's very serious. two of the children are in krit n critical condition and the two others are in serious condition and they're being cared for pediatric trauma specialists and when it's children it's very different from a physical perspective, children's bodies are very different than adults and also from a psychological pushback. we are providing them and their families as much support as we possibly can. >> what kind of help can you give these families who are beyond hurting? >> yeah. i started meeting families yesterday here at the hospital, and shock was, of course, the initial -- a lot of grief as you've been reporting, it's a very small community. so everybody knows everybody and there's a lot of families that are related and there are still a lot of families that have been just absolutely devastated. so the outpouring of support we've seen here at the hospital for this family is really overwhelming. we had a blood drive and are still in the midst of a blood drive here at the hospital and just hundreds of people from the community have come to donate blood and it's from far away and it's been really wonderful to see that level of support. >> i bet they have. you know, in times of tragedy people in this country show up. leni kirkman university hospital in san antonio. john berman, in a town like this where everyone knew everyone, i wouldn't be surprised if the people treating people in the hospitals knew someone in the community. it's that kind of community. >> reporter: it's what makes it harder in so many ways, here, too, because it's a community dealing with loss. brooke bolduan, thank you. joining me is a reporter with the dallas morning news and lauren, you've been spending time with a family, the wards. >> yes. >> dealing with unspeakable loss. >> that's right. the wards welcomed me into their home yesterday. only a few hours after this gunman entered the church and they were waiting on news from four family members that were at the services and i stayed with them until about 11:00 or 11:30 at night and by that point they had learned that they'd lost three of those four and two little girls, 5 and 7 and their mother. so they're waiting on one more who is a 5-year-old boy who is in surgery and they're hoping for the best. >>. >> so they have loss and survivors who will deal with that forever and ever. >> they do. >> reporter: how are they doing this morning? >> it's still pretty unreal for them. they've been going back and forth to the hospital. 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[ no audio ] >> i've spent the morning visiting with local leaders, visiting with law enforcement and visiting with the community. this community sutherland springs is hurting. it's hurting with a pain that defies explanation. one family has lost nine family members yesterday i just had the opportunity to visit with pastor pomeroy whose church faced such destruction, who lost his own teenage daughter in the murder spree. the grief that has struck this community staggers the mind. but i have to tell you at the same time even in the hours after this tragedy there's also inspiration and hope. we are seeing the community come together. i just visited with pastors from throughout south texas who have come here to help the victims, to help the families and to help all of those who are grieving. we have people contributing food and water, supplies, just spontaneously saying how can we help? we have people who have given to cover the cost of the funerals. we have the baptist men's group that has given to cover the costs of repairing and rebuilding the church, and in the face of unspeakable evil we're seeing texas coming together. we are seeing texans helping texans leaning on each other, and i will tell you the men and women of this community, you're not alone you are being lifted up by the prayers of literally millions of texans, millions of americans and millions of people across the planet the kind of evil that would look at a small child and callously murder that child -- that's an evil none of us hope ever to see. and yet, i want to come with a word of hope for this community that we will come through it and we'll come through it leaning on each other. i will tell you much like in the wake of hurricane harvey, where t texas saw devastation, and loss, and we saw community and we saw the church stepping forward and caring for our brothers and sisters. that's what we have done before. it's what we are doing now and it's what we will do going forward. with that, i'm happy to answer a couple of questions. [ inaudible question ] >> you know, there aren't words that can make this pain go away. the pain of a parent losing a child is unspeakable my understanding is that this depraved mad man had worshipped at this church before. we've seen this before. evil, there is a peculiar evil that can worship god, can pray with people and then come back and murder those very same people i can tell you as i visited with the pastor, i shared something my father has pointed out before which is that in psalms 23 it says though i go through the valley of death i will fear no evil and the word of encouragement i try to share is i think the most powerful word in the entire verse is the word through. through the valley of death. this is a moment of horror, of grief, of agony and yet with god's grace and with our coming together we will make it through the valley into the other side, but this is a community that is going to need prayer. it's going to need help. it's going to need support and we are seeing texans come together and we're seeing americans come together to provide that support. >> is there gun control now, sir? >> you know, it is an unfortunate thing that the first place the media goes after any murder is politicizing it. we don't need politics right now. you know, i would note in new york we saw a terror attack just this week with a truck. evil is evil is evil, and will use the weaponry that is available, and i will tell you one of the most inspirational aspects in the face of this horror was that an ordinary citizen stepped forward to engage the gunman heard about what was happening and just in the moments that it transpired, went, got his own rifle and engaged the gunman in an active gun fire. i toured the crime scene just a few minutes ago and saw where that private citizen hid behind a car and took incoming shots from the gunman behind him and because of that individual's bravery shot the gunman, and as a result, stopped this murder spree. i asked multiple law enforcement agents what would have happened had this private citizen not stepped forward to engage and to a person every law enforcement agent i talked to said the death toll could have been much, much higher. that the reason this depraved gunman finally gave up and got in the car and fled and didn't murder more is precisely because one individual demonstrated bravery and courage. we need to be celebrating that bravery and courage. we need to be celebrating the compassion, love and unity. evil, tragically, will always be with us, but so will good. >> reporter: listening to senator ted cruz right there. he was giving his condolences to the families of the 26 people who died. he spoke about the unspeakable evil that was perpetrated inside that building and he discussed the gun control debate and the legitimate questions of lou this man with such a violent past obtained a gun. ted cruz, the senator, would not like to see that discussion right now. nevertheless, i think the discussion is very much on. back with me is lauren mcgahee of the dallas morning news. we were talking about the families of the people inside that building, the wards. they lost two children. >> yes. >> the mother died. yes. >> yet there are two children who survived along with the father who works night and wasn't at that service. talk to me about their plans going forward? >> well, the father is at the hospital and he is waiting on news about his youngest son ryland who was 5. ryeland was shot four times, twice in the stomach, once in the arm and once in the groin and they started a go fund me campaign because as you can imagine, not only are they going to be dealing with medical bills for young ryland for potentially months, if not years, but a lot of what people have told me in this town is that people will struggle with burial costs and finding a place to bury these people, paying for it will be a real struggle for a lot of people and so that's, you know, a side of the initial getting used to this idea which seems unreal to a lot of people is what do we do next? how do we handle this? >> can you imagine having to deal with your burial place for your wife and two kids. >> the pham leafamilies started fund me. >> a bullet made her glasses fall off her face and she's fine and not injure. >> we heard senator cruz talk about the love in this community and how people have come together and one of the things that struck me over what you've written over the last several hours is this family that has been dealing with so much loss, can't do enough for you. they're welcoming you into their house. they want to give you food and make sure you have everything you need. >> yeah, you know. this is texas, and we saw it with the hurricane, and we're seeing it now and it is a very welcoming people. i have seen the words turn away a lot of other reporters and they've taken me under their wing and grandma lupe is making me breakfast and coffee and they're such a sweet family and i thank them for that. >> please give grandma lupe our love. thank you for what you're doing and telling their story, their story that we'll be telling today. thanks so much. >> needing help with burial costs. just think about that. thank lauren for all of her reporting. i just re-tweeted her with the words of the go fund me page. we want to help in any way we possibly can. john berman, thank you in texas there. we do have more on that story out of -- out of sutherland springs including an interview with the relative of one of the heroes who jumped into action before police arrived on the scene engaging the gunman in a shootout while he was barefoot and had run out of his home, following him in a high-speed chase for 11 miles. also ahead, a new development in the attack against u.s. senator rand paul, broken ribs, bruised lung after he was apparently attacked by his neighbor. why did this happen? 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>> hi, brooke. let's take a look at the numbers and what you just mentioned there, the way things have changed here. this is las vegas, 58 people killed. the pulse nightclub in 2016, 49 killed. virginia tech, 32 killed and sandy hook, 27 killed and now the first baptist church there in texas, 26 killed. columbine high school which was a shocking, terrible event in time is now not in the top five. what does this tell us? well, we can look at that period of time you're talking about a little bit more than a month here, 58 killed, 26 killed and then you try to reconcile it with another number you've seen thrown around a lot out there which is the number of mass shootings. 310 days in the past 310 days and 307 mass shootings. how can that be with the numbers being the way they are? many people ask that because they look and say i did not hear about all of these other ones? it has to do with the methodology, and the archives that have to do behind these numbers. they're saying any time four people, not counting the shooter, wind up being shot, not necessari necessarily killed either, in any kind of event. it could be gang violence and it could be domestic violence and it could be a robbery gone wrong. it doesn't matter. any of those they count a mass shooting as long as it's four peopler more and that may be at odds with what a lot of people consider a mass shooting like columbine or pulse nightclub. if you accept their definition this is what you see in terms of the change you see it moving up from 273 here to 233 and 283, but i will tell you, brooke, the number that probably matters more for people who consider gun violence an important issue in this country is not this, but a number out of the cdc last friday. the cdc had one of the latest reports who said in 2015 and 2016, after gun violence and gun fatalities overall being about level in this country, for those two years, both years it ticked up slightly, as much as these kinds of shootings especially the ones like we saw in texas get attention and get headlines. the fact that the brady campaign will say slightly more than 30 people every day are being murdered in gun violence around this country, a lot of people would argue that that is something that matters a great deal, too, beyond these horrific headlines that shock us all so much, the continual march of this so for people who continue to see this as an issue, those numbers matter. >> i want to talk to someone who knows this tragedy all too well. a police chief in orlando. tom was talking about the pulse nightclub shooting after 49 people were murdered at this nightclub last year. the chief john mina is with me now. chief, i would say nice to see you, but i actually wish we didn't have to have this conversation, you know? let me begin with this. we just heard ted cruz, texas senator you know, thoughts and prayers of course, for the families in the community and gun violence doesn't want to go there. the president traveling, and he was in japan and talk about a place that doesn't have this problem at all saying this is a mental health issue. you have seen things you can't unsee. how do we stop this? >> well, first, my heart goes out to the people and the victims and families that are affected in sutherland springs that are dealing with this tragedy. it's a very complex issue, how do we stop this? yes, it is a gun control issue and it's also a mental health issue and it's a domestic violence issue and there are more guns than people in this country right now and this problem is not going away. we need to have those hard conversations. what can we do right now? nothing will get settled in the next few days so i think people need to put measures in place in their own lives that will help them feel more safe. >> chief, on the situation? ificly in texas, we've learned about this shooter. we know that he did a year in jail for assaulting his wife and child. you know, we know that he's apparently -- had animal cruelty charges for beating up a dog. perhaps no one could have seen this church shooting coming, but you know, his in-laws received some sort of texts from him that morning. did not call police. how do you -- how do you connect -- are there dots to be connected? how do you respond to all of that? >> these incidents are very hard to predict for law enforcement and that's why we always need the community's help and in many of these cases someone knew something or saw something that concerned them and yet they didn't reach out to law enforcement, and there are many, many cases throughout the country, positive cases where a member of society, a family member, a parent sees something in their family or their friends and reaches out to law enforcement and tragedies are prevented because of the old saying, see something say something, and that does work in most instances. >> those are the cases we're not always talking about, right? because nothing happens, thank goodness. >> correct. >> something horrible did happen in orlando and we were all there covering it and you wrote this 78-page report of how orlando p.d. responded to the pulse nightclub shooting. what are the lessons that you learned that you think law enforcement could apply to this situation? >> well, any time you have some kind of mass shooting incident, the officers that are going to respond are going to respond based on their training and that's what we did during pulse and the actions of those officers at pulse saved dozens and dozens of life and in the incident in sutherland springs it was a citizen, a hero who jumped into action and also prevented numerous lives from being taken. >> that's exactly right. chief mina, thanks so much. orlando police chief. thank you for your time. >> my conversation with the relative of that hero who pulled his weapon on the killer and chased him down. the stunning details of lou it happened and his memories of the 26 people who were murdered. it's the sleep number semi-annual sale on the only bed that adjusts on both sides to your ideal comfort, your sleep number setting. does your bed do that? 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>> when i talked to him, he said that he heard gun fire and he's -- he knows about guns and he knows what a gun sounds like, and his daughter had actually gone to go see what was going on in her car. she came back and told her father that there was a man in black that was shooting people at the church. so stephen went into his safe and grabbed his ar which is ar-15, the same style weapon that the shooter was using, grabbed a handful of ammo and a magazine and was running barefooted toward the shooting. he said he was loading the magazine as fast as he could. he didn't even know how many rounds he had put in the magazine. when he got there the guy had come outside and it seemed to him that he was reloading outside, and he saw that the guy was wearing body armor, and there was a velcro strap from the back to the front and he knew from that that the man had front and back body armor and that the vulnerable spot was going to be in the side and so that's where he shot him the first time. >> that's where he got him? >> that's where he got him the first time. the man dropped the weapon when he was shot and went and forced his way into an suv that a guy just happened to be nearby and he pushed him into the passenger side. as he was doing that, stephen shot him again in the neck and then he forced his way into the car, turned around and returned fire and shot two rounds through the back of the suv, and that's when stephen shot him a third time in the neck again. >> oh, my goodness. >> he then went to the guy named johnny that you interviewed and said that guy just shot up the church and johnny said i saw everything. let's go and so stephen got in the vehicle with him and they took off and chased him at a high rate of speed and eventually the guy went through an intersection into a field and came to a stop. stephen went up and made sure he got the passenger first to get on the ground because at that point he wasn't sure whether he was part of it or he was innocent, but -- >> sure. he made sure he wasn't a threat, but made sure he was safe at the same time. >> then went around to the driver's side and yelled at the driver to get out of the car and when he went up to the car he saw that the man was already dead. >> my goodness, ken. i'm just taking in everything that you just said and just even going back if we can, to the fact that he hears the shots, goes back into his house, grabs the gun and there are many people in this world who would have stayed right there in the comfort of their own home. has he played -- has he played this all back in his head and was there ever a moment where he thought, gosh, maybe i shouldn't run toward the shots? >> well, stephen is the best shot that i know and the best way i can describe him is he's the atticus finch of wilson county, and he, without armor and barefooted ran into the fire and put his own -- his own life at risk, took return fire and fired accurately three times. that's an amazing accomplishment especially for a man who wasn't ever in the military. >> how is he doing today? have you talked to him? >> well, he's shook up. as you can imagine, he took a man's life and he feels the pressure of that. he also feels the pressure that he wishes he had acted sooner and, of course, brian holcomb and his family are all friends of ours. >> oh, bless you. >> he grew up right around the corner from me and so we're friends with him and his wife and his family and we go back to childhood and it's -- it's just an amazing thing that he had the presence of mind to save lives and stop it right there. >> that was ken leonard speaking with me from dallas on his cousin. coming up next, new details about this infamous meeting that donald trump jr. had with the russian lawyer during the 2016 presidential campaign. was there quid pro quo between these two sides? 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>> it presents the possible circumstances for quid pro quo in that they both came to the meeting and natalya veselnitskaya, this lawyer, and in the early explanations of this meeting remember, that was something that the trump said said that was all the meeting was about, they said adoptions, but the u.s. adoptions of russian children was stopped in response to this magnitsky law which penalizes and sanctions many senior russian government officials which according to this lawyer that was something that don junior communicated to her that if donald trump were president that situation might change. we weren't in the room. we don't know that, but that's what she says. we just have a statement coming from donald trump junior saying the following in response to this and this is a statement to cnn. we've addressed the circumstances of the june 9th meeting on a number of occasions and what the interview shows once again is everyone in attendance has a similar account as to what happened. that's true, but we should also note that initially that trump explanation said it was about adoptions and it was that donald trump jr. was made aware that the russians might be bringing damaging information on hillary clinton and that the story from the white house changed and we also know and not to get too complicated here and we know that the circumstances of how that initial statement was made are of interest to the special counsel robert mueller because it would seem that the initial explanation from trump world was not entirely forthcoming. >> you mentioned robert mueller and let me jump in. if you were the special counsel and it's a he said/she said sort of. how would you determine who to believe? 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"the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. thanks, brooke, a scene of indescribable carnage in the church. "the lead" starts right now. 20 are wounded and 26 are dead. an infant among those today. today the police are trying to find out why a man with a domestic violence conviction who should have never been allowed to get a gun committed a massacre in a small town church. breaking news. brand new polls coming out this hour on "the lead" tell us what america thinks of president trump aat this point and the russia investigation. president trump soon touching down in south korea after issuing a new warning to the nuclear north that the era of strategic patience is over.
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>> nothing. get him. >> reporter: why? >> because that's what you do. you chase the bad guy. >> reporter: what was going through your head as this was going on? >> not a lot. i like to drive, and so if i can get away with driving fast, well, you know -- and i had to catch the guy. i had to mach sure he was caught, and at one point the gentleman riding with me said you may have to use your truck to get him off the road and there was no hesitation. it was do -- do everything necessary to make sure that this guy is stopped. >> reporter: how do you feel this morning? >> i'm thankful. i'm very grateful. i hope that everyone affected is able to rest a little better knowing that this guy -- he'll never breathe again, and it doesn't serve it justice completely, but he won't hurt anyone else ever, and i was thankful that once that it was all said and done that i got to hold her in my arms again and that i got to go home with her. >> that was johnie langendorff who drove and ultimately led to the death of the man who perpetrated this crime behind me. we are learning new details about the killer. his contact with this church, his in-laws, they attended this church though they were not inside at the time. we heard from local officials just a short time ago. >> one thing everybody wants to know is why did this happen? it's a senseless crime, but we can tell you that there was a domestic situation going on within this family. the suspect's mother-in-law attended this church. we know that he had made threatening -- texts from him and we can't go into details about that domestic situation that is continuing to be vetted and early investigated, but we want to get that out there that this was not racially motivated. it wasn't over religious beliefs. there was a domestic situation going on within the family and the in-laws. >> reporter: as i said, new developments just coming in now in this investigation in sutherland springs. diane gallagher here in front of the church as well with the very latest. diane? >> reporter: and another question they're asking right now, john, is how did he get his hands on those three weapons? atf spoke a little bit earlier today and they said they're still trying to go through some of the paperwork dealing with his discharge from the air force. the air force tells cnn that he received what is called a bad conduct discharge after being court-martialed on two counts of assault, one on a spouse and one on a child. he served 12 months' confinement and was also busted down in rank to an e-1. many wondering how then he was able to legally obtain these weapons? atf did confirm that kelley purchased all three of them including the ruger ar-556 that he used to carry out that attack here at the church behind me as well as the two handguns they found on him after finding his body in the car there. now the question again, they ask is how did he pass the background checks? he purchased that ar-556 back in april of 2016 at academy sport and outdoor store in san antonio, texas. we are told he used a colorado address when he did that and he also didn't click the box that said that he had any sort of disqualifying past. any history that would disqualify him from getting a weapon. they did disqualifying information and however governor abbott in texas says that kelley applied for and was denied a license to carry in texas. so there are still a lot of questions about how he got his hands on all three of the weapons and atf said he did purchase. they want to get more information from the military and find out where the disconnect was here and again, how he was able to have all three of those weapons. >> diane gallagher, thanks so much. clearly, several opportunities here. several points where authorities maybe should have had alarm bells go off. diane gallagher, our thanks to you, and brooke as i toss it to you in new york. i have seen several different groups of people outside this church here praying, small groups here and there holding hands and looking for some kind of answer, some kind of peace amidst all of this horror. brooke? >> hearing all of the stories have also just, you know, folks from this town jumping in to try to help. let me tell one piece of that story, john berman and we'll come back to you there in texas in just a moment. we still haven't heard from the other man who shot the gunman and helped chase him down, but his cousin, ken leonard is joining me on his behalf. ken is a friend of the pastor who was killed in that shooting and ken, thank you so much for being with me and my heart goes out to obviously your family and this community that is reeling. so thank you so much for taking a moment with me today. >> thank you for having me. >> so, let's start with your cousin who i know is like a brother to you, and it's my understanding that he -- you know, he had heard there had been an attack at the church early, early on. can you tell me how he knew so quickly? >> when i talked to him he said that he heard gun fire, and he's -- he knows about guns and he knows what a gun sounds like and his daughter had actually gone to go see what was going on in her car and she came back and told her father that there was a man in black that was shooting people at the church. so stephen went into his safe, grabbed his ar which is ar-15, the same style of weapon that the shooter was using and grabbed a handful of ammo and a magazine and was running barefooted toward the shooting. he said he was loading the magazine as fast as he could and he didn't know how many rounds he was putting in the magazine. when he got there the guy had come outside and it seemed to him that he was reloading outside and he saw that the guy was wearing body armor and there was a velcro strap from the back to the front, and he knew from that that the man had front and back body armor and that the vulnerable spot was going to be in the side, and so that's where he shot him the first time. >> that's where he got him. >> that's where he got him the first time. the man dropped the weapon when he was shot and went and forced his way into an suv that a guy just happened to be nearby and he pushed him into the passenger side and as he did that stephen shot him again in the neck and then he forced his way into the car, turned around and returned fire and shot two rounds through the back of the suv, and that's when stephen shot him a third time in the neck again. >> oh, my goodness. >> he then went to the guy named johnnie that you interviewed and said that guy just shot up the church, and he said i saw everything, let's go. stephen got in the vehicle with limb and they took off, and chased him at a high rate of speed and eventually the guy went through an intersection into a field and came to a stop. stephen went up and made sure he got the passenger first to get on the ground because at that point he wasn't sure whether he was part of it or if he was innocent, but -- >> sure. >> -- he made sure he wasn't a threat and made sure he was safe at the same time and then went around to the driver's side and yelled at the driver to get out of the car and when he went up to the car he saw that the man was already dead. >> my goodness, ken. i'm just taking in what you said and just going back to the fact that he hears the shots, goes back into his house and grabs his gun and there are many people in this world who would have stayed right there in the comfort of their own home. i mean, has he played this all back in his head and was there ever a moment where he thought, gosh, maybe i shouldn't run toward the shots? >> well, stephen is the best shot that i know, and the best way i could describe him is he's the atticus finch of wilson county, and he -- without armor and barefooted ran into the fire and put his own -- his own life at risk, took return fire and fired accurately three times. that's an amazing accomplishment especially for a man that wasn't ever in the military. >> how is he doing today? have you talked to him? >> well, he's shook up. i mean, as you can imagine. he -- he took a man's life and he feels the pressure of that. he also feels the pressure that he wishes he had acted sooner and, of course, brian holcomb and his family are all friends of ours. >> bless you. >> he grew up right around the corner from me and we're friends with his wife and his family and we go back to childhood and it's just -- it's just an amazing thing that he had the presence of mind to save lives and stop it right there. >> the holcomb family. that's the family that so many people in this country have been reading about today, ken. the woman who was pregnant and her three children just some of the victims -- i was just even looking at numbers, ken. this is a town of i think it's 1,000 people and so basically 4% of this town was murdered on a sunday morning in church. >> i know. i know. it's unfathomable. we have a country that's got to find our faith in god again because it is -- it is really going crazy. brian, the last time i saw him he was working in his canvas shop. he's one of the happiest people i know, one of the most friendliest people i know and he was listening to gospel sermons on the stereo working in his shop. he's a deep man of faith, and if the situation had been reversed, he would have done exactly the same thing stephen did. >> bless him and bless you and thank you so much just for taking the time and like i said, just our deepest condolences going out to the sutherland springs, texas, community and such a horrible, horrible moment. thank you so much, ken. i really appreciate you. >> sure. keep everyone in your prayers. thank you. >> we will. thank you. >> ahead here on this breaking news out of texas. my next guest was a member of first baptist church for 50 years. she is one of the 600 people who call sutherland springs home. we'll talk to her live about this and also on the eve of president trump's visit to south korea, officials from north korea tell cnn they are watching this trip very, very closely and will respond if president trump does anything, quote, crazy. we'll take you live to that part of the world when cnn's special live coverage continues on this monday afternoon. i'm brooke bolduan. people would stare. psoriasis does that. it was tough getting out there on stage. i wanted to be clear. i wanted it to last. so i kept on fighting. i found something that worked. and keeps on working. now? 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>> i did. i did. we moved here in '54 on a wednesday and on sunday we started coming to this church. we were there for 46 and 50 years and we had to start some new churches and we come back, and we're here, and i can't what was the year or two, and we retained the friendship and the love for these people. >> reporter: talk to me about the people that this community lost. lula white, for instance, we just found out that she was among those killed. >> she was a dear friend. she was a dear friend, but this community is like a big family. all of our lives are intertwined with one another and we're all at the same level. we all hurt and many of these people that have been here for years would devote so many friendships and god will see us through. >> reporter: you're going to need that love. >> we're going to need them. >> if you see one of us, hug us. we are a hugged people. we greet each other with hug. >> reporter: you said it's one big family. generations of this family were lost here. >> yes. >> reporter: yesterday. >> that's hard to comprehend. it's hard to even -- i'm still numb. i can't believe it happened here. >> reporter: we have grandmothers like lula white and we also have kids as young as 18 months old. >> that is what's so heartbreaking, the little children and -- but you know what? god is still very strong and he's still in control. >> do you ask yourself when something like this can happen and you never have to lock your door and everyone greets each other with hugs and do you ever ask how something like this could happen? >> oh, yes. we asked because we didn't know the whole situation and we said who would pick this church? we're out here. we don't bother anybody and for him to come here and do this, and now we find out that he did have a connection with this church and that is so sad, but you know, the young man, even that's sad that he felt that he had to do that. that's so sad. >> reporter: it is so sad. >> one of the things we want to do is is not talk about him. >> that's right. >> reporter: we want to think about the people who were part of this church. the people who we cannot hear from anymore, and that we can only hear about through you. so tell me about some of the people that we lost. >> oh, just wonderful christians. very outgoing, helping other people -- some of these people that i'm just now finding out. >> i told you about lula white. >> lu, and i just found out about somebody else that moved here. >> and they were workers in the church. they were -- these are not people who come and sit in services and go home. they work. they work through the week. they have the program -- pomeroy has a number of programs going and these people were workers. it's going to be such a void in the church because these people held positions of teachers, workers and it's just so sad, and i just want to ask people pray for us. pray for us to have the strength. if you see one of us, hug us or hug a pat on the shoulder. it means so much. just knowing people care and they're grieving with us. >> beullah, we care. we are so honored to meet you and this town, this community is going to need you going forward and look to you for strength. the strength that you're giving everyone. >> we don't give up. >> reporter: beullah, thanks so much. >> you're welcome. >> reporter: brooke, it is as tou astounding, the grandmother, lula white, and i'm standing here with beullah and she says you mean lu? everyone knows everyone else here and there have been generations of this town and church community that are gone. >> pray for us, she says. pray for us and if you see one of us hug us. go hug her, john berman for me, please. thank you so much and we'll see you in just a second here. we have more breaking news out of texas and we will talk north korea. they say they're watching president trump's trip to south korea very, very closely as the president warns that the time for strategic patience with kim jong-un is over this as the north koreans say they are ready to respond if president trump does, quote, anything crazy. also ahead, senator rand paul attacked at his own home in kentucky. his injuries, severe, broken ribs and a bruised lung. what we know about the man who attacked him coming up. you might take something for your heart... or joints. but do you take something for your brain. with an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is the number one selling brain-health supplement in drug stores nationwide. prevagen. the name to remember. we are back. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke bolduan. north korea says it is watching donald trump very closely as the president of the united states begins his tour offis asia that will take him and the first lady. while the trip is being billed as a chance to strengthen ties with asian allies it is also being viewed as a vehicle for president trump to deliver a stark message about u.s. military capability to an audience of one in pyongyang. >> we will not stand for that, the era of strategic patience is over. some people said that my rhetoric is very strong, but look what's happened with very weak rhetoric over the last 25 years? look where we are right now. >> with me now, david sanger, cnn political and national security analyst. so, david sanger, i know you know this part of the world very well, and so let's just get right to this interview over the weekend with the president where he said he would be willing to sit down with the north korean dictator. he was asked about it and let me tell you exactly what president trump said. he said he would certainly be open to doing that. he said i would sit with anybody i feel. i don't think it's strength or weakness. i don't think it's a bad thing. would that be in the u.s.' best interests? >> it would depend on how well it was set up. the president had varying views on this. in an interview last year he told me pretty much the same thing. at other points, he has said that negotiating with kim jong-un is useless and he chastised the secretary of state for suggesting, in fact, that there should be negotiations. i think the answer to the question, though, is you wouldn't want to put any president especially one who has not dealt with the north koreans before in this situation unless you had a pretty good idea of where that negotiation was going to come out. so, for example, there is a proposal round which neither the u.s. nor north korea has signed on to to have what they called a freeze for freeze. they had the nuclear testing and we freeze our exercises in the pacific. it's got some real down sides including enshrining north korea's current capability which is pretty fearsome, but you'd want to know exactly where they were going to end up. >> i was just on the "uss ronald reagan" two weeks ago and we know they're watching that very, very carefully. let me ask you about putin. president trump is expected to try to get his help in confronting north korea, a friend to russia. this has been unsuccessful in the past. what does the president need to say to get putin to get on that side? >> brooke, putin's role in all of this has been pretty fascinating because until now the russians have pretty much been sideline players on north korea. the assumption has been that it's china that's got all of the influence, but at this point the chinese and north koreans are not getting along very well and we have seen putin suggest that he would open up some oil trade with north korea and he would open up new internet connections because right now north korea is run all through china. that would suggest that the russians see a moment of american and perhaps chinese weakness here and think that they could become north korea's new friend. maybe it is only to cause us a little bit more trouble in the region. so i think the president's first message is going to have to be tread very carefully on this because if russia is found to be aiding north korea it would be another point of contention between the u.s.-russia, something that the president, of course, has not been talking very much about. >> i hope we can talk many more times through this big asia trip, david sanger. thank you so much as always. love having your voice on the show. >> thank you. let's get you back to texas to the breaking news there. sutherland springs, police say the man who killed 26 people sent threatening text messages to his mother-in-law who attended that church. we'll talk to pastors, both of whom were in services at the time of the shooting. stand by. hi. so i just got off the phone with our allstate agent, and i know that we have accident forgiveness. so the incredibly minor accident that i had tonight... four weeks without the car. okay, yep. good night. with accident forgiveness, your rates won't go up just because of an accident. switching to allstate is worth it. your rates won't go up just because of an accident. ...you might be missing to stasomething... ♪ ...your eyes. that's why there's ocuvite. it helps replenish nutrients your eyes can lose as you age. nourish your eyes to help keep them healthy. ocuvite. be good to your eyes. 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did you lose any friends and the answer is yes, of course. >> absolutely. we're a tight community. we all minister together. we've all had youth gatherings together so that church came to this church and we've come together a lot and we've seen kids grow. i mean, we come and get our tacos here. it's a tight community. >> now part of your family in this community is gone. >> yes, sir. >> how do you deal with that? you rely on the source. the source is the lord. it's jesus christ, and that's the message that we are wanting to get out is the love that's being poured out in the midst of this tragedy, there is so much love coming from all over, and the response, the first responders, the ems, you guys, everybody showing so much love. that's the message. that's how we change the world is by sharing his love. >> you told me you've never seen so much love. >> no, i have not. i have not. sorry, in the midst of that and the pain, in the midst of the pain there's beauty in it because you can tell there's people who don't know, but they're feeling the pain of those that lost. >> this community hurts. this community absolutely hurts and pastor paul, one of the things i've seen the videos from the past weeks from the services here, you know, happiness is the lord in last week's sermon. they don't lock their doors at this church. they open their doors. they want people to come in which makes it that much more painful when someone comes in for such evil reasons. >> exactly. the thing we need to look at and we need to understand is evil didn't win anything yesterday. >> no. >> evil lost whatever it was that it was looking for. now surely, we have pain and we have sorrow and we have people that we've lost friends and family members, but we stand on our faith knowing that what the word of god says to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord. >> amen. >> in heaven. so we know in an instant they were in the arms of their savior and they were in the presence of him so that's what we have to stand on and that's the only way to get through this. you can't get through it with our own spiritual strength. you have to get through it with your spiritual strength that you have in the higher power that god the creator is in charge. >> we heard from the pomeroys who lost their daughter. >> yes. >> reporter: they're concerned they've lost their church. they don't know if the building can be salvaged and they don't know if the congregation can be brought back together. >> it's funny that you would ask. i had a vision of that. being that that church is such a central point of this community. anybody can see it when they drive by. i envision that in the future we will see it brighter and bigger. you will see children and families coming and remembering and rejoicing in the times they had with those loved ones that were lost. >> what are you going to preach this sunday? >> what am i going to preach this sunday? jesus, what -- >> that wasn't a trick question. >> it's a standard answer generally, but what i'm going to deliver and what i'm going to be there to say is just exactly what i said a little while ago. evil didn't triumph in any of this. the big question is why does a good god allow bad things to happen. >> come on. >> and the thing is we believe we're made in the image of god is one of the greatest attributes that god has that he's given us is choice and we're supposed to be here learning how to make good choices and people make bad choices and evil has its way sometimes in what's going on, but look around. we have 360 million people in the united states that didn't do something like this yesterday that were in churches probably with their family, working, helping other people, and that's the thing that we want to focus on is that that's the good of this country, and i promise you there will be -- we'll have evil here, but the bible says that we overcome evil with good, and i believe firmly that we have way more good people in this world than we have bad people. >> reporter: you guys, you gentlemen, pastor paul and pastor lee, you're part of the good and i know this community is depending on you and you will deliver. >> can i share one thing? >> do i have a message and i do want to say this. this has nothing to do with politics. this has nothing to do with gun control. this has to do with humanity and heart. this has to do with love. it's how we respond. if we respond and make it this or that, then we've given a foothold. we have to respond out of love. we have to respond out of love even forgiving the person that did this because they have a loss as well. it's about forgiveness. >> pastor lee rios. pastor paul, thank you very much for being with us. we appreciate it. brooke? >> pastors and john berman, thank you so much there in texas. we'll come back to you. we've got other news, though on this monday afternoon including this russian lawyer who was at that trump tower meeting with don junior, donald trump jr. shedding some light into what exactly happened and what don junior said he could do if his father were to be elected. also ahead, five fractured ribs and a lung injury. u.s. senator rand paul now dealing with much more serious injuries than first thought after he was attacked at his own home back in kentucky. what we know and about the what we know and about the senator's ties to his attacker. but on theide, i feel chronic, widespread pain.like most people. fibromyalgia may be invisible to others, but my pain is real. fibromyalgia is thought to be caused by overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. i'm glad my doctor prescribed lyrica. for some, lyrica delivers effective relief for moderate to even severe fibromyalgia pain. and improves function. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions, suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worse depression, unusual changes in mood or behavior, swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or blurry vision. common side effects: dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain, swelling of hands, legs and feet. don't drink alcohol while taking lyrica. don't drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who've had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. with less pain, i can do more with my family. talk to your doctor today. see if lyrica can help. mikboth served in the navy.s, i do outrank my husband, not just being in the military, but at home. she thinks she's the boss. she only had me by one grade. we bought our first home together in 2010. his family had used another insurance product but i was like well i've had usaa for a while, why don't we call and check the rates? 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>> well, until now what we knew mostly was from the e-mails which were pretty explicit in terms of how this meeting was set up and by explicit, i mean that it was set up based on the notion of the trump officials, don junior in particular getting dirt on hillary clinton. now according to this russian lawyer what she said in a two and a half-hour interview with bloomberg was that what she was -- was -- trying to deliver was information about taxes that a major clinton donor had evaded and potentially how that benefited politically the clinton campaign and the democrats, but the question is what was the evidence and apparently, she didn't have it. let me show you a couple of key quotes from this interview. >> first of all, on the notion of what don junior and the trump campaign if he became president could do -- let's read that one first because this is based on what i was just talking about. she said that he asked -- he, don junior, this morny, the ziffs, got from rush a do you have any financial documents showing that this money went to clinton's campaign? 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