i have the honor and privilege to be interviewing mr. laurence silberman. thank you for doing this. let s start with a biographical question. tell me how derek balk got you to hawaii. i was going to clerk for a federal district judge in newark and come to a law firm in washington the following year. derek had recommended me to this federal judge. i was particularly interested in practicing labor law, and this federal judge had been roosevelt s labor counsel and it was well-known. his name is minden laurel, two to my disquiet and my wife s disquiet, two weeks before i was to arrive as a clark clerk he died which left me with a wife, two children, and no job for a year because my arrangement with the washington firm was the following year. they had no opening immediately. derek found me in the library, i believe, at the business school where i was writing a paper, and asked whether i d be willing to go to hawaii. the only other alternative at the time, which sort of interes